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Bill Gates Brags About Vista, Reacts to Apple's Latest Ads

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the oh-bill dept.

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fr8_liner writes "In an unusually candid interview with Newsweek Bill Gates lays it all on the line, bragging about the benefits of Vista, ragging on Apple for their 'I'm a Mac' ads, and claiming primacy in a number of features shared by Vista and OSX. Specifically, it is Mr. Gates' opinion that the Apple adverts are misleading if not untruthful. He makes the claim that 'security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.' The interview also touches on the future of Microsoft and Operating systems, and some of the company's plans for internet-based computing."

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ring ring (5, Funny)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864080)

> And then I might edit a high-definition movie

Bill, is that the MPAA on the phone?

Re:ring ring (-1, Redundant)

billimad (629204) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864334)

No its the RIAA. Hand in your geek pass on the way out please.

Re:ring ring (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864410)

no u

Be careful what you wish for, Bill. (1)

mmell (832646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864088)

I'd be willing to bet you're gonna get it!

First Post! (?)

Well, of course he's saying that. (1, Offtopic)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864108)

He needs to keep the boxes moving out the door. It's all promo anyway. I haven't heard about all those Mac exploits he's referring to, have you?

Re:Well, of course he's saying that. (5, Interesting)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864242)

> I haven't heard about all those Mac exploits he's referring to, have you?

I have. They exist. (Most of) The exploits themselves would take a phenomenal amount of knowledge about the entire underlying OS to turn them into a full-fledged rootkit installation exploit but they do exist.

> When somebody comes to us [after discovering a vulnerability] we've got [a fix] before there is any exploit

Bill. I thought you were an uber-hacker. You should know better. This is only true if they come to you with the vulnerability before they've written the full-fledged exploit.

> The number [of violations] will be way less because we've done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn't done any of those things.

This statement is borderline libelous. Just the facts, please.

Re:Well, of course he's saying that. (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864570)

Bill. I thought you were an uber-hacker.

He hacked on one machine 30 years ago. On the hacker scale he rates nowhere near uber.

Re:Well, of course he's saying that. (3, Informative)

GogglesPisano (199483) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864258)

I assume he's referring to the Month of Apple Bugs [info-pull.com]

MOAB (1)

ElephanTS (624421) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864310)

It's been going on this month - the Month of Apple Bugs.

http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/ [info-pull.com]

Not a single instance of anything 'in the wild' though.

Re:Well, of course he's saying that. (1)

VValdo (10446) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864314)

I haven't heard about all those Mac exploits he's referring to, have you?

He's referring to the Month of Apple Bugs [info-pull.com] . As I understand it, however, many of those bugs are not in Apple products and do not necessarily compromise the entire system.

W

Re:Well, of course he's saying that. (2, Informative)

rudegeek (966948) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864322)

He needs to keep the boxes moving out the door. It's all promo anyway.
Well, MS will "sell" Vista thanks to Dell, HP and other OEMs.

I haven't heard about all those Mac exploits he's referring to, have you?
OSX ships with a dozen of thord part apps like PHP, Apache and Ruby (IIRC, my experience with OSX is very limited) and I've seen some security alerts regarding all of them since last release of OSX. I bet you could find some local exploits in them. Anyway, MS talking about exploits is a "pot calling kettle black". But no, I haven't hear about some nasty, transforming-to-botnets viruses for OSX.

Re:Well, of course he's saying that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864368)

Technically he was right (if he said this in January)...

http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/ [info-pull.com]

Re:Well, of course he's saying that. (0, Flamebait)

IcyNeko (891749) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864534)

Aside from Gates doing it for a promo, it is true that the Mac Ads are inaccurate. Some of the people who testified on the past mac commercials were complete tools. Their kids should be ashamed of them. I'm talk about Bill Swan. Mister "I had to dig cards out of my daughter's comptuer to make the printer work".

The new mac ads aren't much better. The whole photo album vs GUI programming guide makes Mac users look like elementary school retards and PC users like real coders. :)

Don't get me wrong. I love ibooks. I just think that people who write these ads need to be shot.

Twice.

Truth or Dare? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864114)

'I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'

oh don't worry Mr Gates, we will.

Re:Truth or Dare? (1)

Fyre2012 (762907) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864260)

yah, i mean what a comment... is this guy new? Somewhat reminds me of the South Park episode where gates gets lynched for touting the benefits of windows 98 (or was it 95?)
But either way, there are new exploits for windows every day... i want some of whatever the heck he's smoking.

Re:Truth or Dare? (1)

rudegeek (966948) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864408)

South Park episode where gates gets lynched for touting the benefits of windows 98
"Well, it's over five million times.." -- BAM! He was killed in "SP: The Movie" because of Windows 98 breakdown.

Re:Truth or Dare? (5, Insightful)

Divebus (860563) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864278)

Lets see: 140,000 known Windows exploits, most of them surfacing in the last 12 years makes that at least one exploit released every 45 minutes - or there abouts. Hell, Vista has an installed base smaller than BeOS right now and it has more exploits already.

Re:Truth or Dare? (1)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864330)

Hell, Vista has an installed base smaller than BeOS right now and it has more exploits already.

Care you cite some examples?

Re:Truth or Dare? (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864430)

Care you cite some examples?

Sure. No problem. Will this one [slashdot.org] work for you?

Re:Truth or Dare? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864306)

I think Gates meant:

I dare anybody to do that only once a month on the Windows machine.

Re:Truth or Dare? (4, Insightful)

Aqua_boy17 (962670) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864338)

...checks calendar... Yep, only 4 days until patch Tuesday. Gonna have my Word patches ready this month, Bill?

Re:Truth or Dare? (5, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864356)

It wasn't a double-dog dare, so he's not serious.

Re:Truth or Dare? (2, Funny)

Dark Kenshin (764678) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864374)

... and next we will play spin-the-bottle.

Re:Truth or Dare? (1)

alexhs (877055) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864462)

_Download http colon slash slash trojan dot com slash trojan dot exe
_Yes
_Run trojan dot exe
_Yes

Done !

4 TEH WIN! (5, Funny)

operagost (62405) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864124)

Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.
Looks like he lost his temper (and his sense) again. His personality's a lot like Ballmer's, he just can't fling chairs as far.

Re:4 TEH WIN! (1)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864392)

I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

I wonder how many new crackers he just inspired with the comment lol. Not that they already weren't looking before, but now maybe they'll drink that one more dew and work a little longer :p

Re:4 TEH WIN! (5, Funny)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864466)

Looks like he lost his temper (and his sense) again. His personality's a lot like Ballmer's, he just can't fling chairs as far.

What many people do not realize is that Ballmer is actually a costume for Gates, who wears it when he feels he is exceptionally out of control. Any time you see the two of them together, Ballmer or Gates is actually a puppet designed by the Henson Co.

Jim Henson actually was assassinated when he threatened to reveal these secrets. True story.

Too easy... (1)

jeppster (1031326) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864132)

So, the updates I see twice a week fixing bugs that allow remote execution on my machine are just there for kicks and giggles?

Re:Too easy... (5, Funny)

TheRealFixer (552803) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864204)

No, see, you're just confused. Hackers don't find one exploit in Windows every week. They find 4 the day after Patch Tuesday, then take the rest of the month off.

Wake up Bill! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864158)

Just how delusional can he be? How many Zero-day exploits has Windows had in the last 6 months?

Truth....? He can't handle the truth... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864224)

This is rich coming from the founder of a corporation found guilty of anti-trust violations. I think he knows a thing or two about truthiness.

Re:Wake up Bill! (1)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864402)

For Vista? It's only been out a month.

I'd still rather have a Mac (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864162)

So the highly trained security experts break OS X every day huh? Even if that had the SLIGHTEST bit of truth to it I STILL wouldn't buy Windows. Why? Cuz legions of Coke-swilling KIDS break windows all the time. Yeah I know which one I feel more secure with...

From the article (1)

MyNameIsEarl (917015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864170)

I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

I would stay away from Vista for a good while now while the hackers have a go at Vista's security. I'm not sure how good of an idea daring people to hack Windows is.

Re:From the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864316)

You must have missed the earlier 20 articles posted on here where microsoft not only dared the hackers to do it, but offered them $$$$ as a reward.

WTF (5, Funny)

n1hilist (997601) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864172)

"He makes the claim that 'security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'"

It's almost like virgins talking about sex, I'd question if he actually *uses* his own O/S.

Re:WTF (1)

Life2Short (593815) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864232)

Sounds like he's been drinking his own Kool-Aid (I know, I know, it was really Flavor-Aid at Jonestown).

Re:WTF (1)

ElephanTS (624421) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864488)

I wonder about this too. Would he really bother using such an insecure OS? Does he get home at night and run through the day's virus patches before he does a bit of surfing? Has he got a patch monkey that does it all for him? Who knows?

Exploits on Vista? (5, Informative)

soapbox (695743) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864176)

I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'

Yeah, there's one this month [eweek.com] .

also here. [indiatimes.com]

Re:Exploits on Vista? (4, Insightful)

udderly (890305) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864290)

That's some pretty big talk for a company with Microsoft's record, isn't it? Especially compared to Mac.

Re:Exploits on Vista? (2)

plastic.person (776892) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864414)

Yea... read out your bytecode one byte at a time using WAV files on a webpage. That's a real plausable hack there..

upgrading (1, Troll)

dcskier (1039688) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864192)

Are you bugged by the Apple commercial where John Hodgman is the PC, and he has to undergo surgery to get Vista?

With windows yeah you may have to upgrade your video card, install new drivers, make config changes, etc. But apple made upgrading so much easier. You can't, so you just throw it away and buy another! Now that's simple!

Re:upgrading (2, Informative)

ender-iii (161623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864280)

Have you ever seen a how a Mac desktop case opens? How all the cables are out of the way for easy upgrading? Seriously... what are you talking about?

Re:upgrading (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864604)

I think he is talking about a situation similar to what I went through:
I purchased an old 300 Mhz G3 (Beige and White) off of ebay many moons ago. It was capable of running OSX. However, when OSX.2 (or some other upgraded came out... Panther, Puma, Pershing, Lyger... I don't recall) that allowed for the 3D accelerated desktop, my system would not run it. The blue and whites could, but not the beige. There was absolutely nothing I could do to make the system run it. Oh sure, the system could be upgraded with a new processor, memory, hard drive or whatever, but no upgrade would allow for this functionality. My options were to either do without or buy a new Mac.

(BTW, I chose option 3 and installed Linux on it.)

Again, this was a long time ago. Maybe things have changed since then.

Re:upgrading (3, Informative)

fohat (168135) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864296)

Actually, you can upgrade most if not all the non integrated componants in the new intel Macs. Even the CPU on the new Minis can be upgraded, whereas before it was soldered iirc.

Re:upgrading (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864336)

odd then how my wife's 8-year-old iBook runs the latest version of OS X.

upgrading, Huh? (1)

acomj (20611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864354)

I'm running the latest and greatest apple OS on dual g4 1 ghz (4-5 years old). It runs pretty well too.

What was that about throwing equipment away?

Its kind of an unfair comparison as windows supports way more configurations but I can't let statments like that go....

Re:upgrading, Huh? (1)

dcskier (1039688) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864496)

perhaps my statement was a little too slanted trying to be funny but my point is this. the mac arguement that upgrading vista is major surgury and that upgrading a mac isn't is just false.

yes you can run xp on old 8 year computer, you can put vista on an old computer as well. you can do the exact same in upgrading for a mac. but hardware wise for mac to be knocking a pc because it's so hard to upgrade hardware to take full advantage of the latest os is false. pc hardware upgrades are much easier than macs. apple can't win that arguement.

Re:upgrading (4, Informative)

kebes (861706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864424)

I think the point is that to upgrade a Mac to the latest version of Mac OS X doesn't require rebuilding the computer (nor buying a new one). In fact each version of OS X is a little more efficient and streamlined, so that older hardware may actually run *faster* with the new OS.

(I'm not saying I particularly approve of the Apple ads, but I don't think your comments about having to throw out apple hardware are particularly fair.)

Re:upgrading (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864444)

I use OS X (10.3.9) on a 5 year old clamshell. And it runs pretty well.

If I had _the next revision_ that has firewire, I could use Tiger (or I could hack it).

Now, I know that OS X (10.1) is as old as XP, but OS X Panther can be compared with ease to Vista.

Re:upgrading (5, Interesting)

qwertphobia (825473) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864470)

I'm running 10.5 on a 7-year-old G4, among other systems. It is in the same configuration as when it was purchased (dual-500 g4's, 1 GB Ram) except that the hard drive has been replaced (40 GB -> 60 GB).

It might have been a large machine when it was purchased, but it wasn't all that unusual for a Mac. It might not be the fastest computer but it will run the OS faster than it ran the OS it came with (or any other since).

Let's see you run Vista on a 7-year-old Dell.

It may be true but.. (2, Interesting)

madsheep (984404) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864208)

He makes the claim that 'security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'
Well, he does have a bit of a point. These projects like MOAB, Month of Browser Bugs (did include IE), and although it was cancelled Oracle one go to show there are -tons- of problems in non M$ products. However, if researches all teamed up and held off for a few months. There could easily be a month of Microsoft bugs. I don't know that I would have "dared" anyone to do that regardless.

You dare them? Really? (1)

Mrs. Grundy (680212) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864212)

I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine

Considering the recent slashdot article [slashdot.org] stating that a quarter of all connected computers are part of a botnet, it seems people have already taken Bill up on his dare--those are all windows machines aren't they. In fact, it seems they preemptively took him up on his dare. At one a month it would take 12,500,000 years to infect all these computers. Microsoft would be lucky if they only had one labratory exploit a month rather than millions in the wild.

Re:You dare them? Really? (2, Funny)

SlashdotCrackPot (1019530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864378)

Considering the release date of Vista, I doubt that the stats you are talking about even have .0001 percent of the infected machines actually running Vista. Not that I work for BG's PR team, just a valid point.

On the other hand, Bill just might as well s#@* in both of his hands because he's going to wish he didn't say that.

640 kb to rule them all!!!!!!!!!!

Bold statement with no backing (2, Insightful)

Dark Kenshin (764678) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864218)

Marketing has a very close relation to the science/religion debate. Throw out a bunch of information, claiming they are facts, and don't provide any supporting information to prove your claims.

Oh, and dare people to prove you wrong, that makes you sound even more right

ummmm (1)

DigDuality (918867) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864226)

Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'
umm.. how about once every 5 minutes for the last 15 years?

Bracket attack (5, Funny)

honkycat (249849) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864228)

[Bill] Gates [responded to] questions in an [unusually] candid [interview]. For [some reason] most [of] his [words] were [interjected] by the editor. This [seemed] somewhat [odd and] excessive [to me]. Did [anyone else] notice [this]? [I] mean, a[n occasional] edit for [clarity] is pretty [normal], but it [seemed] like [every other] word was [inserted later].

Bragging? (1)

udderly (890305) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864236)

Admitedly, everything Bill says in that interview is a load of crap, but does that really excuse that bias-laden headline? For God's sake, can we at least pretend that there is a shred of credibility here?

Re:Bragging? (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864284)

> For God's sake, can we at least pretend that there is a shred of credibility here?

You're new here, aren't you?

I come for the community. I doubt even a quarter of us actually respect the editors.

Editors? (1)

plopez (54068) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864440)

we have editors?

Re:Bragging? (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864572)

---I come for the community

Nice to know im loved.

wait... (looks at freak list). Guess not.

NEXT

Re:Bragging? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864362)

You obviously didn't RTFA. It _is_ bragging.

He is right! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864248)

Of course you cant come out with a total exploit for windows every month. They come out every 6 minutes.

There is no way we could slow down the exploits for windows to the rate of once per month.

Bill is simply proving to the world that he really doesn't know squat about microsoft products and the reality of what IT is anymore. (as if he knew to begin with.... He's a genius salesman, he never knew "computers" like people claim for him.)

Re:He is right! (1)

ElephanTS (624421) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864530)

He's a genius salesman, he never knew "computers" like people claim for him.)

Too right. I truly hope that one day the history books will state this. Just because he looks like a nerd doesn't mean he's a genius programmer.

ragging on apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864254)

I haven't heard 'ragging' since 1986.

radical to the max.

Is he on crack, again? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864262)

While I like Microsoft products more than the next slashdotter, even I have to shake my head at that. My wife knows nothing about computers or how her Mac works and has taken *ZERO* precautions on her machine and has never had a problem. I'm pretty computer literate, and certainly became more security savvy, and I still sometimes get caught by stuff on my Windows box. (Admittedly, the volume is way down since I started using Firefox)

Do I think Mac is a better OS than Windows? Trick question...every OS has its place for the people that use it. Use what you like and what you're comfortable with. If your OS is getting in your way, you're using the wrong OS. (Reasons why Linux still sits in a relatively unused 20GB partition on my HDD)

Earth calling Bill (0, Flamebait)

ptomblin (1378) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864268)

What colour is the sky in your world, Bill?

Re:Earth calling Bill (4, Funny)

drawfour (791912) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864500)

Gray. Seattle thinks the rest of the world is insane for insisting that the sky is blue.

Dumbass (2, Insightful)

Secret Rabbit (914973) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864272)

"""
Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally.
"""

Well first off, this just plain isn't true. But, I believe that it is true (or at least has been) for Windows. A simple search of the security focus archives would reveal if this has been true or not in the past. Any takers?

"""
I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.
"""

As someone above said careful what you wish for. Basically, I remember seeing the ad from Apple about Mac not having any virii. At that point, I wondered how long it'd be before someone did it (NEVER challenge an attacker). I think it was just a few months before it happened.

Basically, if I were Bill, given even just Vista's already sketchy security track record, I'd be careful about making such comments. How long do people here think that it'll take before the month of Vista happens?

Re:Dumbass (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864468)

At that point, I wondered how long it'd be before someone did it (NEVER challenge an attacker). I think it was just a few months before it happened.

Oh yeah, good point. Wait a minute... What happened? There's a Mac OS X virus now?

Oh right, there isn't.

Microsoft Copying Apple again (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864276)

He makes the claim that 'security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'
I can see that MS is copying Apple again ... this time they're stealing Steve Jobs's reality warping field and trying to adapt it for Bill Gates.

Mac Exploits? (4, Insightful)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864292)

I'm the "computer guy" in my family and I've convinced everyone to buy a Mac. So I'm constantly looking around for possible exploits to warn my parents, my wife, and my mother-in-law about. I paid particular attention to the month of Apple bugs.

So I'd know if people were finding "daily" security flaws with Macs. This isn't to say that there aren't any, but three hundred sixty five a year? That's not even happening in Windows. And most of the ones that I've heard about require physical access to the machine, or for the attacker to be on the network. And the very few that have been able to be remotely triggered have been fixed within the month through Apple's software update.

Re:Mac Exploits? (1)

greysky (136732) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864554)

I also believe that *most* of the MoAB exploits that have been reported are not because of holes in 3rd party software, not the OS itself. Someone correct me if I'm wrong (I dare you!).

--
Bleed Orange - ride KTM [ktmcyclesport.com] .

Its like eating potato chips (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864298)

I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

What he is really saying is that with windows you could be exploiting 30 or sometimes even 31 days a month, but with the Mac you only get one day. I guess you could fill all that time not being exploited with some Mac gaming.

What's with all the [edits]? (4, Funny)

Lazerf4rt (969888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864318)

Check out this part of TFA:

Yes, although security is a [complicated concept]. You're [referring to] the fact that there have been some security updates already for Windows Vista. This is exactly the way it should work. When somebody comes to us [after discovering a vulnerability] we've got [a fix] before there is any exploit. So it's totally according to plan, and that's why we have the whole Windows Update thing. We made it way harder for guys to do exploits. The number [of violations] will be way less because we've done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn't done any of those things.

Is this a joke? It sure [is weird] to read an [article that] has so [many freaking] edits. I wonder [if Bill] was swearing [like a] sailor throughout [the] whole interview, and they [had to] clean [up] his potty mouth?

Scared (2, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864526)

Heh, I was thinking the same thing. "What else could he have possibly said [here]?" (nothing else made any sense, other than swearing).

I haven't seen Bill Gates this scared of Apple/Mac since the ramp up to Windows 3.x. Perhaps not coincidentally, I saw this [amazon.com] pointed out earlier today.

I can't imagine with his wealth and the importance of what the Gates Foundation can be doing why he bothers to show up to work at Microsoft anymore. You'd think he'd have graduated from that position a while ago.

Dancing with the stars (1)

tchdab1 (164848) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864320)

It's amusing to watch Mr. Bill complain of FUD, misrepresentation, and lies as he implies that Windows has been the greater source of innovation and is by far more secure ("Macs are fully exploited every single day. I challenge anyone to exploit Windows once a month.")

Anybody else scared by this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864328)

We can use Live Services [a way to connect to Microsoft via the Internet] to know what you're interested in. So even if you drop by a [public] kiosk or somebody else's PC, we can bring down your home page, your files, your fonts, your favorites and those things.

That's all I've got to say.

Yessireee bob, Apple is looking better every day!

*Pscht* Calling Pot, Kettle here, Come in Pot! (1)

twifosp (532320) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864352)

I couldn't help but laugh reading this part from TFA:

So, yes, it took us longer, and they had what we were doing, user interface-wise. Let's be realistic, who came up with [the] file, edit, view, help [menu bar]? Do you want to go back to the original Mac and think about where those interface concepts came from?

Yes Bill, let's talk about where those interface concepts come from. I'll give you a hint, it starts with an X and ends in an EROX. Man, I wish I had zero ethics and no sense of irony. Maybe I could be a billionare too.

Re:*Pscht* Calling Pot, Kettle here, Come in Pot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864512)

I think he was making the point that Apple copied from Xerox.

Not a fan of the ads (3, Interesting)

namityadav (989838) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864384)

I am not a big fan of the "I am a Mac" ads. Being a Linux user, I don't care that much about OS X or Windows based PCs. So perhaps my opinion is unbiased.

I think that these ads might offend Windows users instead of getting them to switch to the cool side. These ads do not show the strength of Macs. These focus more on insulting Windows based PCs.

Moreover, don't know why, but I've always felt that any company that really has superior products doesn't have to attack the competition this way. In fact, through these ads, Apple has lost a little respect in my eyes, if nothing else.

ps. I know that writing something against Apple might not go very well with my Karma, though :-(

How many exploits? (1)

adambha (1048538) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864396)

Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

Well, take a look at the SANS Top-20 Internet Security Attack Targets [sans.org] and count how many times you see the word 'Microsoft' versus the number of times you see 'Apple' or 'OSX'.

Hmmm...

Sidebar is 13 years old (5, Informative)

kindbud (90044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864404)

NEWSWEEK: If one of our readers confronted you in a CompUSA and said, "Bill, why upgrade to Vista?" what would be your elevator pitch?

Bill Gates:
The most effective thing would be if I could sit down with them and just take them through the new look for a couple of minutes, show them the Sidebar...
Sidebar, new Windows interface from Quarterdeck [findarticles.com]
Newsbytes News Network, April 6, 1994

Sidebar is delivered on a single floppy disk, takes up less than 1 megabyte (MB) of hard disk storage space, and less than 300 kilobytes (K) of random access memory (RAM). It also fits on the right edge of the computer's display to take up as little screen space as possible.

Quarterdeck has exclusive license of Sidebar from Paper Software of Woodstock, New York. Paper Software originally distributed the product on a try-before-you-buy basis as shareware, then Quarterdeck licensed it, made significant changes, and is now shipping the product. The suggested list price is $59.95.
Yeah, cool new idea there, Bill.

Condensed version... (3, Interesting)

Eric Damron (553630) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864450)

1. Vista is real kewl.
2. I can't believe how apple is lying about being superior.
3. In the future we'll lock in customers by offering our applications as services and by storing the user's data on our servers.

The audience is the thing (1)

Scareduck (177470) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864454)

When Gates says that people are coming up with exploits for the Mac every single day, it's possible he really believes it. The truth, of course, is far different (and much less dangerous than with Windows exploits), as anyone who actually uses the platform can attest; but Gates here is talking to his core audience, which wants to be reassured that the security headaches they're constantly having aren't peculiar to the Windows platform. As with Bush talking to the GOP faithful, it's important to stay on-message.

Now there's a REAL Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864484)

Talk about a reality disconnect!!! He must have been off giving away his money on another planet if he thinks there are more exploits on a Mac than on a PC. WOW!!!

What does this remind me of... (1)

Woek (161635) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864490)

...this sad facade of optimistic propaganda, despite obvious failure.... ah, I remember! You gotta love him [welovethei...nister.com]

Apple Negative Ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864494)

Negative ads can produce a backlash. People are starting to hate anything iApple. Jobs is evil.

Those Ads ARE Misleading (0, Flamebait)

Petersko (564140) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864504)

Seriously, come on. The ad where the PC buys the Mac that C++ reference manual that he secretly lusts after himself is just so much blatant false image building it's ridiculous. Are they implying that Mac programmers live in a glorious world where technical manuals are unnecessary? Or that every windows user is a technical programmer? It's ludicrous.

The "home movie" comparisons where the shapely woman is the mac one and the ugly unshaven guy in drag is from the PC is just dumb.

The PC going in for surgery is another joke. At least he PC CAN be upgraded instead of simply requiring replacement for a major OS update.

They're great ads. Seriously, they're billiant. But they lie.

I think Microsoft should fire back. With one man representing one game they should show the PC addressing a full concert hall. Then the Mac should be addressing a hotel conference room with a bunch of empty seats. With five seats full of really old men, one should realize he's in the wrong room and leave.

Then show the PC calling in to some Microsoft-product-only connection and getting through, while the Mac gets, "I'm sorry - we can't help you."

At least those would sort of represent reality.

Very nice for Linux (3, Interesting)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864518)

Gates mentions Linux, without really any prompting from the interviewer, in his second answer. He doesn't really say anything, but just the fact that he mentions Linux without having to is going to make Linux seem more like a serious contender to many people.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864540)

No amount of artificial WOWs and marketing bragging makes Microsoft and their products cool.

It works just the opposite way, actually. Those Apple ads work so well, because they build on the public's existing perception about Microsoft, instead of what Apple would like people to believe.

Microsoft's WOW ads, and Bill Gate's public WOW comments on the other hand are trying to create the non-existing WOW feeling.
Microsoft is no longer WOW even among Wall Street slaves and corporate slave drivers.

This thread is hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864550)


This thread is like a micro-version of what Slashdot has become: Mac-Land for zealots. /. isn't even Linux-Land anymore. It used to be that people would get hot under the collar
if you said something bad about their flavor of Linux, but today the religious fervor seems to have
died down and mulled into true criticism, reflection and discussion.

Not so of the newer, meaner (suddenly self-confident) Mac fanchick. They'll mod you
down for saying "Mac is just another company" (its not a joke, I've seen it happen).

I can't seem to figure out how Mac cultivated this incredible consumer loyalty. As a free-thinker,
I like to believe that I'll buy whatever is best. I'm not really loyal to any particular brand
or OS. How is it possible that Mac converted such a huge swathe of geekdom over to its game-crippled,
closed-sourced, hardware locked, eye-candy OS? And did so with cult-like fervor?

One can't even discuss the glaring limitations of Macs without generating anger (yes, true
hostility) and getting modded down.

Is someone paying you guys, or what?

GUI innovation? (1)

the_nightwulf (1003306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864578)

From TFA:

Let's be realistic, who came up with [the] file, edit, view, help [menu bar]? Do you want to go back to the original Mac and think about where those interface concepts came from?

What point is he trying to make here? Windows had it first? MacOS 1.1 [guidebookgallery.org] seems to have everything but the "help" entry. Windows 1.01 [guidebookgallery.org] is close but not quite there.

Or is he trying to make the point that Apple didn't invent the GUI? If you'd like to get technical, Bill, Xerox didn't have those specific features either [guidebookgallery.org] .

I'd love to counter his ridiculous points, but I can't figure out which flawed point he's going for.

Is Gates wrong, or lying? (5, Interesting)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864582)

OK couple things about his statements that jumped out at me from reading TFA: The number [of violations] will be way less because we've done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn't done any of those things.

Um, Bill, Apple hasn't had to fix DLL hell, and processes run by a user blowing away system things, because they didn't build those problems in in the first place. They didn't have to block open ports with vulnerable services listening on the by default, because they're not _open_ by default. And so on. Next?

Question: How about the implication that you need surgery to upgrade? Well, certainly we've done a better job letting you upgrade on the hardware than our competitors have done.

How so, Bill? What are the hardware requirements for your new OS? How many 5 year old boxes, or even 3 year old boxes, meet that?

You can choose to buy a new machine, or you can choose to do an upgrade. And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it's superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say? Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it.

So Bill is saying, that there's no truth to the statement that you need to make hardware changes if you want to upgrade to vista. NO truth to it.

Tell that to my inlaws; they'll need a new box entirely.

I mean, it's fascinating, maybe we shouldn't have showed so publicly the stuff we were doing, because we knew how long the new security base was going to take us to get done. Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

OK Bill, show me the figures. Show me a total exploit on OSX. Now, show me 365 of them for each year it's been out. Back up your figures or be shown to be the liar you are.

I just can't keep going through this, I think that one says it all about the guy's outright lies, and/or complete lack of clue. So, windows fanbois, is he lying, or is he clueless?

I'd say he's running scared..... (2, Informative)

8127972 (73495) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864584)

.... Given his reaction when questioned about the look of Vista by Miles O'Brien of CNN:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/bill-gates/does-bill-ga tes-always-say-no-no-no-when-he-hears-os-x-232750. php [gizmodo.com]

and his "performance" on The Daily Show:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/the-daily-show/bill-gat es-tells-jon-stewart-why-he-should-buy-vista-yes-i t-was-as-boring-as-this-headline-232403.php [gizmodo.com]

I'd say that Bill is a bit scared that Vista will flop, or worse, people will just buy a Mac.

*Can* be taken over totally (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864592)

"security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."

And every single day, probably thousands of Windows machines are taken over by malware, in the wild. Unless I'm a user with an inconsiderate security researcher in my house who daily takes over my machine, that they do this in their labs is irrelevant to me.

Speaking of misleading... (1)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864600)

I'm not apologising for Microsoft, but the bit where he says Apple's ads are misleading is talking specifically about the ad where 'PC' is having surgery to upgrade - from TFA:

How about the implication that you need surgery to upgrade? Well, certainly we've done a better job letting you upgrade on the hardware than our competitors have done. You can choose to buy a new machine, or you can choose to do an upgrade. And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it's superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say? Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it.

And I'm not being funny, but it's easier to upgrade a PC than a Mac. Am reminded of You pick it up, throw it away, then go buy a new one - now that's convenience [youtube.com] .

Cue G5 tower (of which I am one) and Mac Pro users replying saying that they can be upgraded - sure they have expansion slots and you can change the graphics card - that's great but most PC's are more flexible - for example if you want you can change the motherboard etc. - can't exactly do that with a Mac tower. The other question of course is exactly why is it Microsoft's fault if PC hardware can or cannot be upgraded?

Having said all that of course, having used Vista Business for the last month, I'd advise avoiding it like the plague until at least the first service pack and for software to be fixed to work on it like Server admin tools etc.
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