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PS2, DS Real Console War Winners

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the everybody-has-them dept.

Sony 81

Paradox writes in with a link to an MSNBC article that shouldn't be too surprising for anyone: the real winners of the console war are the DS and the PS2. Boasting numbers unmatchable by the johnny-come-lately next-gen consoles, the PS2 and Nintendo DS each sold about 1.5 Million units last December. Article author Kristin Kalning points out the reality: given the high quality of gaming in general nowadays, the low prices and rich libraries of these 'venerable' systems will see them in circulation for some time to come. Given the success of last-gen consoles, what are your plans regarding gaming systems? Are you holding out for price drops, or considering buying one of the older systems now that they're considerably less expensive?

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"Console Ware"?!? (1)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864010)

That's just painful!

Re:"Console Ware"?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864078)

Sounds like a good tag for the article. In honor of Zonk, all future console war articles should be tagged "consoleware."

au contraire. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864018)

This is your User Info page. There are thousands more, but this one is yours. You most likely are not so interested in yourself...

au contraire.

DS Not Last-Gen (5, Insightful)

SighKoPath (956085) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864054)

Given the success of last-gen consoles, what are your plans regarding gaming systems?
The DS is not 'last-gen.' It's a current generation handheld. Last-gen would be the GBA.

Re:DS Not Last-Gen (1)

F-3582 (996772) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864542)

Last-gen would be the GBA.
In my opinion it is pretty hard to draw a sharp line between those generations. Just because they managed to stuff a beefed-up SNES into a handheld case, I wouldn't call this thing last gen. Together with the PS2 and the Xbox and the Gamecube. But that's only my opinion. If we did that, the PSX would be current gen, too, because someone stuffed it into a handheld case [] . The graphical capabilities should be equal to the DS.

Re:DS Not Last-Gen (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17871490)

The DS is current gen because it's the current generation of handhelds Nintendo is selling. Generations are defined by their shelf time, not by their capabilities.

Re:DS Not Last-Gen (2, Insightful)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864896)

I would argue NONE of the consoles are next-gen. It's kinda like the "tomorrow's a day away" saying.... once the next-gen console becomes a reality and on the market, it is NOW current-gen, it's predecessor is last-gen.

of course, i MAY be splitting hairs a wee bit

I think "next gen" is appropriate for many people (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17867578)

Certainly as far as I am concerned the PS3 and probably the 360 are "next gen" as they leverage technologies that aren't in the average home yet (eg HDTV). I think this is why the Wii will do well, at least in the short term. There is little point in paying so much for a PS3 or 360 when you don't have a TV to support them, While such TVs are still in "early adopter" style price ranges and still undergoing rapid improvement I think that considering them "next gen" is reasonable.

Re:I think "next gen" is appropriate for many peop (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17887826)

What do you mean by HDTV? I'm buying a 23" Samsung this year (most likely), and it's certainly not in the "early adopter" price range (700 euros / 900 dollars). HDTVs are not expensive.

Re:I think "next gen" is appropriate for many peop (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891380)

Someone working 40 hour weeks at $8 an hour makes $1280 in a month. $900 is very expensive to that person, and $8 is higher than minimum wage in a very large number of states.

It is important to remember that expensive is a relative term, applied either to other items in the same category or to the availible funds of a potential consumer. I believe the latter is more important to the adoption rate of HDTV than the former.

Re:I think "next gen" is appropriate for many peop (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17893012)

You can save money, which is what I'm doing. I only get 650 euros a month ($840), and it'll take me about four or five months to save up. The TV I'm buying is in the lower end of the price spectrum, most people seem to go for at least 32".

Also, a $900 HDTV is no more expensive than a new display adapter or high-end CPU or some other expensive piece of computer equipment.

If it's not expensive (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17894708)

Why are you "most likely" buying it "this year" rather than buying it tomorrow? That sure sounds like a lot of money for a relatively small TV to me.

Re:If it's not expensive (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17902200)

"Most likely" because by the time I've saved up enough money, there could be a better HDTV available for the same price, and "this year" because I don't know exactly when I'll have enough money. My income is very small.

i'm not doing anything (1, Interesting)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864068)

my current console is a game cube. my console before that was a sega genesis (which i still play on occasion). i'm guessing my next console will be whatever is after the wii - or possibly whatever comes after that. by then my kids will be old enough that i'll probably be more motivated to 'keep up'.

XBox used games glut = happy gamers (3, Insightful)

Jtheletter (686279) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864076)

I'll admit that Halo 2 sucked me in for way too long, to the exclusion of other titles. But now there's so many original XBox games turning up in the used market I've more than doubled my game library on the cheap! Keep up those trade-ins next-geners, those of us who don't ride the bleeding edge are still getting plenty of use out of these games. :)

Re:XBox used games glut = happy gamers (2, Interesting)

matt328 (916281) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864370)

Amen. My girlfriend and I just found the first Lego Star Wars for PS2 for $15 used the other day and can't put it down. I have a Gamecube as well, and Zelda aside, I've never paid more then $15 each for any of the games I have for it.

slow down, Zonk (-1, Troll)

SaidinUnleashed (797936) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864168)

(sacrificing modabilty here)

C'mon, Zonk. Take a few extra seconds and read before you post the story. The few extra seconds aren't going to kill us.

Everyone has a bad day every now and again~

DS support (3, Interesting)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864400)

The DS is still going strong. There's enough titles from square-enix alone to make a fanboy salivate. This isn't surprising news as many people are content with the previous generation of systems and titles available for it. I know plenty of games from the last generation that i haven't even gotten around to playing yet.

Re:DS support (3, Insightful)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864634)

The DS is still going strong. There's enough titles from square-enix alone to make a fanboy salivate. This isn't surprising news as many people are content with the previous generation of systems and titles available for it. I know plenty of games from the last generation that i haven't even gotten around to playing yet.

There is no "next generation" for handhelds yet. The DS and PSP are both "current generation", and it's disingenuous to talk about the DS "still going strong" because there's no "DS 2" or "GameBoy SuperAdvance" to compete with it yet.

To me, the interesting thing about the PS2's continued dominance is what it says about the PS3. The Gamecube is dead because the Wii is much better while still being affordable. The Xbox is dead because the 360 is much better and just barely in reach of being affordable. The PS2 is still alive and thriving because while the PS3 may be technically better, it's completely unaffordable (and unlike the Wii, you can actually find PS3s in stores so lack of sales at this point has nothing to do with supply and everything to do with demand). Maybe Sony's hit on a great new idea, segmenting the console market into high-end (PS3) and low-end (PS2), similar to how the A/V market works (for example, at first DVD players were high-priced and high-end. Then they dropped in price and were more available, but the high-end was still expensive and had features like progressive scan. Then progressive scan players dropped in price and were more available, but the high-end was still expensive with features like upconverting to 720p or 1080i/p. And currently, upconverting players are rapidly dropping in price but the high-end is still there and expensive with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray).

Maybe I'm seeing thoughtfulness and insight for something that was fundamentally a blunder by Sony, but it'll be interesting to see how the high-end/low-end split works out for them.

Re:DS support (1)

LeninZhiv (464864) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866242)

The thing is that with AV equipment, the source material (CDs and DVDs) stays the same, but the quality of the delivery changes according to how high-end your hardware is. With games, on the other hand, (console games, at any rate) the titles themselves are hugely different between (e.g.) a PS2 and a PS3. The development costs of making a game that utilizes the full potential of the system are going to be vastly different for the PS3 vs. the PS2, and if the PS3 can't gain market share that will inexorably lead to there being a dearth of content for the system.

I really don't think that a high-end/low-end economy can thrive when developing high-end content would require an entirely separate and far more expensive delivery channel.

Re:DS support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17867938)

Isn't the reason the Xbox is dead is because Microsoft stopped making them?

Answers (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864560)

Given the success of last-gen consoles, what are your plans regarding gaming systems?

We already got a Wii (which is a very cool system) and I'll likely get a 360 this coming Christmas when they cut the price and bundle it with Halo 3. I didn't like the PS2 and have even less interest in the PS3.

PS2 breaks (0, Flamebait)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864590)

Yeah, the PS2 sold so many because it has serious reading issues with its discs. Of course everyone with a PS2 game library had to go out and buy a new one... or get a PS3.

Re:PS2 breaks (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#17865130)

Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I've only ever had one PS2. And this is one of the older models, long before the slimlines even came out. I think I bought it in 2002 or 2003.

Re:PS2 breaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17865780)

I had a PS2 that would refuse to play certain disks. It got to decide which ones it will play and which ones it would spin incessantly around in the drive in a futile attempt to read them. It also changed it's mind on what games it wanted to play frequently. I'm on my second PS2, and have been thinking about picking up a slimline just in case my current one starts going weird, since Sony will soon stop making them.

I went through 3 of the original Playstations. But I guess it only really would have been 2 if I was content on leaving my PSX running upside down while I played. Antecdotal "evidence", sure. But I don't think the claim that some of those PS2s sold this December to replace broken ones are too far fetched.

Re:PS2 breaks (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866302)

I got a PS2 for Christmas 2000, making it one of the first produced. It still works quite well enough, though it's a bit slow with booting up DVD games. Once booted, there's little to no slowdown even with those.


Re:PS2 breaks (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866794)

My PS2 is first run. still works well. My PS1 had to be replaced, but I fault myself for modding it... to play imports.. yes imports.

Re:PS2 breaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17866144)

I bought a PS2 with broken PS2 from ebay for 20 bucks, installed a modchip for another 20, added a 40G hard drive I had lying around and also had to buy a lan adapter for 40 bucks.

As cheap as a used working one on ebay only with the security of never having to be afraid of defect lasers

Perhaps insightful, but we lack data. (1)

Mr. Samuel (950418) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866952)

Eh, I'm not really sure if the parent is trolling or not, but anecdotally, I think there may be some truth to Sony scoring sales numbers with replacement PS2s. It has been my personal experience that both the PS2 and (perhaps especially) original Playstation have been unreliable over the years.

With that said, it's silly to say that the PS2's continued success can be attributed to this to any significant degree. Price and quantity factors of both hardware and software would surely be a stronger conclusion.

Re:Perhaps insightful, but we lack data. (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 7 years ago | (#17868870)

I am on my second PS2 since my first PS2 was accidentally tripped over by my wife (don't ask!) just after the console warranty had expired. I did manage to get it to continue working for another six months but one day it just died (DVD failed). I still have my next PS2 and it still works well (almost 5 years) but this time I got a wireless controller so the console is not on the floor for anyone to trip over. My original PS1 (9 years) still works since I opened it up and cleaned it and put a lite coating of silicon grease on the rails.

All manufacturers do statistical research on how long a product will last and will give an appropriate warranty (normally 1 year). Anything that is mechanical will wear out but knowing how long is very important. While a product may have some failures in it's first year this is normally within acceptable limits for the manufacturer to fix free of charge and is factored into the price accordingly. After the warranty expires on a product the manufacturer is legally entitled to wash his hands of any claims, however some manufactures will extend this since it is called "good will" (or 'PR") and makes the company look good. This is a factored into the price as well. Of course how long the manufacturer can continue to support something that is out of warranty is up to them and the profitability of that item.

If you as the purchaser can maintain your purchase then that product can last a very long time, however if that product is abused (kids are good at this although I don know some adults that are worse) it won't last long and manufacturers do take this into account as well.

Re:Perhaps insightful, but we lack data. (1)

Lost Engineer (459920) | more than 7 years ago | (#17870298)

I think these statistics speak strong and negatively about the price of the PS3 vs. PS2. If I were considering replacing an Xbox right now, I would definitely get a 360. If I were replacing a PS2 (I am -- my own fault for modding improperly), I would have a hard time springing for a PS3.

To me, $600, is just too much for a console, and I'm not paying 500 for some half assed version I may have to pay to upgrade later. As long as Sony's prices are crazy the PS2 will sell well. Is this a part of Sony's strategy? I don't know.

Re:Perhaps insightful, but we lack data. (1)

Dev59 (953144) | more than 7 years ago | (#17889116)

The 20gb PS3 is not in any way half-assed. It's not the Xbox 360 Core System. What does the 20gb model lack?

Chrome trim.
Some hard drive space.
Memory card readers that have nothing to do with gaming.

So tell me, how is the $500 model half-assed?

Re:Perhaps insightful, but we lack data. (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17892200)

It was thrown together to make a cheaper option availible and dull the impact of a $600 price tag?

Originally the $500 version wasn't going to have an HDMI connector, which would have definately relegated it to at least "half-assed". Fortunately for Sony, they were smart enough to listen to the people who were crying out against this blatant stupidity.

The end result is the $500 model is respectable, although the reason we have it may not be.

Re:Perhaps insightful, but we lack data. (1)

Lost Engineer (459920) | more than 7 years ago | (#17898208)

At some point in the future, the lower end model will sell well, but everything I've heard indicates it hasn't yet. You make a valid point that it's prolly 90% of the system the high end model is, but I still wouldn't buy one. To me it's like buying a fancy car with fabric seats. The things you are missing will rob you of the satisfaction of buying a high end item. The more frugal slashdotters would probably disagree. Of course they won't be buying a PS3 for a while.

The lack of WiFi won't bother hardcore twitch gamers (because they won't use it due to higher latency), but it does potentially require you to lace your house with cables. I can't run cable through the walls as I'm in an apartment, so this is big for me.

It's too hard to compare the 360 core and PS3 low end, so I won't effect such. I think there is widespread consensus that the PS3 is too expensive. The lower end model doesn't mitigate the problem because few early adopter gamers want anything that's second best.

Re:PS2 breaks (1)

h3llfish (663057) | more than 7 years ago | (#17883336)

Whoever modded this post down is a dumbass, because this a good post. I had the same problem with my PS2 - the DVD drive just quit reading the discs. And that happened to several friends of mine as well. An unscientifically small sample, to be sure, but it doesn't seem to be an issue with the Xbox.

So yeah, I agree with the poster - many of those cheap new PS2s that were bought recently were the second one purchased by that particular household, because the first one broke.

I'm waiting for Linux (or a price drop) on the Wii (0, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864596)

I'm not buying either of the two big expensive consoles this time around. If we eventually get Linux on the Xbox 360, then I'll buy one used a ways down the line. I'll probably be looking to buy a used PS3 by the time no one cares about them any more, which will be a generation or two away yet. I don't want to be depriving the market of a used PS3 and leading someone to buy a new one, because that supports Sony.

Basically choosing between Microsoft and Sony is like choosing between Democrats and Republicans. The lesser of prime evils. I'll go with Nintendo, the least of the three evils anyway :) But I won't do that until the price of the Wii drops. It's not that I can't afford one now, it's that I'd rather not spend that much money. Besides, could I even find one? I doubt it. But even if I could, I wouldn't be buying one now.

Absolutely the only thing that could get me to buy an Xbox 360 would be Linux running on it. That, or an included holiday in Hugh Hefner's life.

Re:I'm waiting for Linux (or a price drop) on the (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864844)

I'm waiting for Linux (or a price drop) on the Wii
I doubt you'll be seeing either Linux or a price drop anytime soon. How about News and Weather instead? :P

Personally, I'm outright shocked that it's February and it's still incredibly difficult to get a Wii. With Nintendo's sizable shipments of the console, I would have thought that they would have been available from day one. Instead, demand seems to be increasing before Nintendo has a chance to catch up with the current demand. It's scary to think what will happen when Nintendo actually starts advertising this thing.

BTW, if you do plan on getting a Wii, I highly recommend shopping the Gamecube deals now. There have been a lot of great clearance sales of both used and new games for the system. One of these days, however, retailers are going to figure out that demand for the old GCN stuff isn't tappering off with the sales of the Wii. So start stocking up while you can still get the games for under $10.

Re:I'm waiting for Linux (or a price drop) on the (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17865114)

I doubt you'll be seeing either Linux or a price drop anytime soon. How about News and Weather instead? :P

I can't use news and weather, I don't have broadband internet nor am I using ICS to let my Wii talk to the world.

In fact I tried to finally get broadband from hughes satellite, but their credit check system is very stupid and it said there was "not enough information" to grant my lady credit, even though her score is excellent. I may cry. Dialup is just, well, it's NOT OK. NOT OK AT ALL.

Anyway I don't think we'll ever see Linux, and the price drop will be a long time coming since they're already producing more consoles than anyone else and still can't keep up with demand. So you're quite right. But I'm willing to wait. I don't need a Wii.

Re:I'm waiting for Linux (or a price drop) on the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17866340)

You, sir, are not the target audience for this article, or this technology generation.

Re:I'm waiting for Linux (or a price drop) on the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17873268)

You, sir, are not the target audience for this article, or this technology generation.
Horse shit. If he plays video games and he has the money to purchase a Wii he's in the target audience.

I just must ask: are you a sub-30 something self-important twerp?

Re:I'm waiting for Linux (or a price drop) on the (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866914)

The Wii isn't worth the money if you game seriously at all. $5 per virtual console game? I can download and emulate them for free...

Re:I'm waiting for Linux (or a price drop) on the (1)

miro f (944325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17868436)

I thought the same thing, but there's one thing that makes VC much better than emulation: multiplayer games.

you can't (easily) get four people around a PC playing mario kart or whatever. And if you do, it's just not as good as having them sitting around the couch yelling and having some room. For most single player games it's probably no better than emulation, but for multiplayer the VC can't be beat.

Graphics don't matter! (4, Insightful)

PresidentEnder (849024) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864620)

I've been saying for years that graphics don't matter to me, being mocked by my roommates for playing the Ur-Quan Masters (an open source version of Star Control) while they played battlefield 2.

Past a certain point, though, graphics really don't matter. Sure, the N64 was grainy and the Gamecube is easier to see (and thus play). Now that we have the current level of graphics, scaling more and more textures and pixels until you can see the warts on the orc's nose is foolhardy and wasteful. I'd like to see more attention paid to AI and gameplay elements in the future.

Re:Graphics don't matter! (2, Insightful)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864766)

I'd like to see more attention paid to AI and gameplay elements in the future.

I agree, but the problem is convincing the devs to use the "all-mighty power" of the PS3 to give us some amazing AI over graphics. It wont happen. The game won't sell because it isn't "HD" enough.

Re:Graphics don't matter! (1)

cyborg_zx (893396) | more than 7 years ago | (#17865156)

Also because it's a hell of a lot harder to make better gameplay than it is to simply package higher-res textures. The former requires a great deal more research and creativity than the later. Whilst people are happy to buy the same game but shinier this isn't likely to change.

You = Everybody else? (1)

Mr. Samuel (950418) | more than 7 years ago | (#17867002)

Graphics may not matter to you, but would the average consumer say the same thing?

Re:You = Everybody else? (2, Insightful)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#17867008)

The average consumer seems to be happy being fed year after year with the same EA game ...

Re:You = Everybody else? (1)

Lost Engineer (459920) | more than 7 years ago | (#17870352)

You guys demean the average customer too much. Most if not all of the best selling (ok let's exclude sports) games have great (or possibly unique) gameplay. People buy the latest sports games because they love the sport enough to stay up to date with rosters and whatnot. If the games improve over time, that's merely a bonus.

Re:You = Everybody else? (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#17872174)

I did not say the games were bad, but buying the same sports game, and face it, madden, fifa, need for speed etc... 2000-2001-2002-2003-2004-2005 is pretty much the same year after year, full price is simply idiotic, but those games are the cash cows of EA and sell to millions to the we want the same again although we have it idiots.
I mean lets be serious, go to a games or electronic store and look at the shelves, they are a disgrace. Pokemon 300, Madden 500, Castle Wolfenstein 3d Clone 700, Fifa Soccer (fill in the current year), add to that the recent wave of girls games, Pet simulator 700 same game but one new dress for the dog. But this is the stuff which sells in millions. Or to sum it up, shitware for the people who do not care.

Re:Graphics don't matter! (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17887862)

Same shit, different day.

How many years have people been saying "I want better AI/gameplay, not fancy graphics?" We have good gameplay. We've had it for decades. We even have good AI; Unreal Tournament and Half-Life are good examples, and I hear that Gears of War and Rainbow Six Vegas have solid AI as well, in addition to the killer graphics that are supposedly stealing our gameplay and AI. Graphics and gameplay are not mutually exclusive, and graphical development is part of the evolution of games, and always has been. You are not hardcore just because you complain about the imaginary lack of gameplay in modern games.

Re:Graphics don't matter! (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17892602)

Personally, I don't find the AI in the Unreal Tournament games very intelligent. While upping the difficulty makes them more sharper and more accurate, they still function along the same lines and remain predictable.

I can't vouch for the other games, as I haven't played them.

Shocker!! (3, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864658)

This is a shocker, inexpensive systems with lots of reasonable quality games released for them outsell expensive systems with no games ...

In general, the number of people who are willing to spend more than $200 on a gaming system is small and the number of people who are willing to spend that much money without (at least) a handful of games they want being readily available is tiny. The PS2 is still attractive to people because you can (essentially) spend $100 on the system, and $20 per game, and have access to more entertainment then you could on your $400 XBox 360 or $500/$600 PS3.

Re:Shocker!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864998)

"What's a shocker?"

Re:Shocker!! (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866372)

outsell expensive systems with no games ...
Except, you know, for the fact that the 360 has a lot of really great games right now, if you don't consider RPGs.

In Other News.... (4, Insightful)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#17864692)

The DS isn't a home console and the PS1 outsold the PS2 when it first came out.

I'm not sure the point the article is trying to make... new console adoption is always slow going despite launch day sales numbers... the NES outsold the SNES for a while, the SNES outsold the N64 and PS1 for a while, the PS1 outsold the PS2 for a while, and **SHOCK*** the PS2 is outselling it's replacements... say it aint so!

The DS IS a next gen hand held... it's outselling it's last gen counterpart the GBA... but it's also not a recently released console... when it was it was being outsold by it's cheaper last gen cousin. Even still the DS while a game machine is a completely different market then home consoles. That's like being surprised that the iPod is outselling BluRay players... no really?

Re:In Other News.... (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#17868282)

As I sometimes say, second verse same as the first.

I remember the PS2 launch and how the PS1 outsold the PS2 for quite a while (till late 2001 IIRC) There were still good PS1 games released after the PS2 launch, FFIX for example was released on Nov 13 2001.

It's pretty much happening again the same way, FFXII gets released just two weeks before PS3 launch and Rogue Galaxy was released a few days ago. I don't expect PS3 sales to even begin take off untill tax refund season. By fall we'll know.

Re:In Other News.... (1)

Impotent_Emperor (681409) | more than 7 years ago | (#17877986)

FFIX for example was released on Nov 13 2001.
Actually, I believe it was November 14, 2000. Albeit, the PlayStation 2 was launched only a few weeks earlier.

Re:In Other News.... (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#17887626)

Arg! I messed up. Thanks for catching it.

Re:In Other News.... (1)

miro f (944325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17868496)

interestingly, in Japan, this doesn't happen as much. The PS2 is being outsold by the PS3 (which isn't selling that much anyway) and the GBA is essentially dead (it's sold even less than the xbox360) linky: []

it's interesting to see the difference in culture, it would seem to me that price is less of an issue to the japanese as the americans (for gamers anyway) since they seem to completely ignore the older systems for their (backwards compatible) successors almost as soon as they're released. The venerable PS2 is selling but it didn't even sell twice as much as the Wii last year.

Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17864722)

Why do people care so much about having Linux installed on their console? Does it make or break your decision that much? It should be the selection of games and the price point that matters.

Re:Linux (-1, Flamebait)

jizziknight (976750) | more than 7 years ago | (#17865246)

That's because /. is full of Linux zealots who go jerk off every time they find out that someone got Linux to run on some device. Hence the catchphrase: "Yeah, but does it run Linux?" I doubt you'll find many people caring that a console will run Linux on a gaming forum. I especially like the person who commented above about waiting to buy a 360 until they can run Linux on it. Yeah, because I'm sure MS will let that happen.

Re:Linux (0)

LeninZhiv (464864) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866488)

No, it's because a significant number of Slashdotters are programmers, who are interested in programming and improving the electronic devices they own in order to improve their quality of life, and Linux running on a set-top box is a significant factor in this regard.

Granted, for people who don't understand the technology they purchase this may seem like an odd obsession, but for those of us who do, it has far less to do with zealotry than with practicality. Open systems allow those of us who know how to make the systems that we purchase work for us in the ways we want them to. Simple as that.

Re:Linux MOD PARENT UP (1)

IvanTheNotSoBad (977004) | more than 7 years ago | (#17868058)

You are absolutely correct. People have managed to get linux running on the original Xbox and it does so much more than Microsoft ever intended it for. Xbox Media Center (XBMC) is by far one of the best applications I've seen run on any console, EVER. If I had to choose between all the consoles, I'd pick the original xbox just because of it. Not only can you play any (and I mean ANY) media, there's so much homebrew that you can play any original NES os SNES or Sega or ... (the list is too long) game.

Let's also not forget what has been done as far as homebrew is concerned in regards to the PSP, and even the PS2.

Programmers want complete control of their own devices. Not what's being force fed by some big corporation.

Re:Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17867738)

I actually asked this of some of the other geeks at my local Linux user group when news of GameCube Linux first hit. The answer I got was that it's good for homebrew game dev.

Re:Linux (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 7 years ago | (#17872266)

To me it does matter, since I'll never buy a device that can only be used to consume commercial products. Then again I probably wouldn't buy a PS3 solely for Linux hacking. But for a combination of a kickass game console and a Cell workstation I think it's worth the money.

DS & Wii, maybe a PS2 (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#17865240)

I bought a DS:Lite in September for my wife and a Wii at launch for the two of us. I was never really interested in the PS2 since I had a Cube and PC to keep me occupied. I may look at the PS2 now that it is priced to sell and there are an abundance of cheap titles. I'll probably hold off though since the DS is really coming into its prime with games like Phoenix Wright and Hotel Dusk.

Re:DS & Wii, maybe a PS2 (1)

thule (9041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17865700)

Sounds familier!

I haven't really played games in years. Just too many other things to do. Then I got a Wii and it's been a ton of fun. After getting the Wii I decided to pick up a DS and found that Super Mario Brothers is a ton of fun! Brain Age is unique. Hotel Dusk is great, reminds me of the adventure games I used to play on the PC years ago.

The PS2 is now looking interesting to me since there are some really unique games on the system. I don't see a lot of unique games for the XBox. I know there is a huge hard-core XBox contingent, but it just doesn't wow me like the Wii did.

Plans (1)

Chazmyrr (145612) | more than 7 years ago | (#17865420)

The original plan was to pick up a Wii for Christmas and get a 360 whenever the price dropped. Since we still can't find a Wii, we ended up getting a 360 on sale. The 360 has a decent library of games and has the added bonus of acting as a Media Center Extender so that we can stream video from our computers. We're probably going to skip HD-DVD/Blu-Ray entirely. The upscaling DVD player is quite as good, but it should be good enough to last until digital delivery becomes a compelling alternative.

I wonder how many of these PS2s... (2)

JoshDM (741866) | more than 7 years ago | (#17865492)

...were purchased by exasperated grandparents who gave up trying to find a PS3?

Always wait for a price break (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866484)

I always wait for a price break on the video game equipment. Hell, any electronics for that matter. Early adoption is both expensive and often a bit of a gamble. Might as well wait a year or two and get more for your money.

I predicted this.. PS2 still has great games/legs (1)

acomj (20611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17866504)

can I toot my own horn (I don't do it often). I predicted this. id=17340420 []

PS2 is cheap, the games are cheaper. The games still lookspretty good. Did I mention its cheap and fun.

The new systems are pretty much a rehash of the old, with better graphics. (excepting the wii)

Wii unavailable (1)

Belgand (14099) | more than 7 years ago | (#17868118)

Part of the data is problematic as the Wii is still selling very strongly. Months after launch and while PS3s are starting to pile up and reach the level where you can just go into a store and buy one, the Wii is still a mixture of luck and/or staking out the store.

Given this information many people are waiting for a price drop on the PS3 and some good games to come out (I know I have an interest in it, but it's definitely a secondary console to me and the price will have to come waaay down), but most people with an interest in a Wii simply haven't been able to buy one yet making sales figures largely meaningless at this point in time. A better idea would be to chart the number produced along with the number sold-through to consumers and fill in the intermedian space. Graphing this since release date would begin to show which system is holding up in available sales.

Re:Wii unavailable or Why Demand R001Z! (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17868326)

In other words, demand is constant and the supplier can sell every single unit shipped at maximum efficiency. In fact, even with more factories every day, demand is still high.

Hmmm. Sure sounds like winning to me - especially if you track the game units sold - most Wii console buyers are buying a lot of games for their consoles, and continuing to do so, whereas the demand for PS3 games is ... um ... not good.

Re:Wii unavailable or Why Demand R001Z! (1)

Belgand (14099) | more than 7 years ago | (#17871302)

Yes, but also the problem in asking "Why haven't you bought a next-gen system?" isn't a valid question yet. Sure people want to say that last-gen systems are the real winners here, but until everyone who wants a Wii can get one, the lack of supply is a valid impediment to learning anything from the question. One which really wants to hear: "The PS3 is unreasonably expensive/has no good games." or "Microsoft sucks and it'll be a cold day in hell before I give them any cash for that damn 360 (even if it finally has managed to secure some decent games, unlike the original which was mainly a place for PC ports, among which Halo was a notable example of a PC game that was only good enough for console gamers ;) ).

Two Words: Guitar Hero 2 (1)

voidstin (51561) | more than 7 years ago | (#17868288)

That game is the biggest crossover game since the original super mario bros.

And the DS - well, it's just awesome.

What are the profits? (2, Interesting)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 7 years ago | (#17870084)

Both the DS and PS2 sold great but how much profit does Nintendo and Sony make from each sold?

The PS2 is probably old enough technology that it's very cheap to make nowadays. DS came out later but Nintendo is known for making a profit right out of the gate on units. It'd be interesting to hear the actual numbers.

Got my Wii! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17871140)

Lucked into a Wii on Dec. 28 (thank you EB employee who sent me to Wal-Mart - I know, I don't beleive it either).

Anyways - this is the first console I've owned since my Intellivision. I bought Excite Truck, Rayman and Zelda to start. The next game I get is going to be WiiPlay and SSX Blur.

All in all, the options are still pretty slim for the Wii.

So why should we be surprised when people choose to put their $300 towards a console, extra controller and two handfuls of "previously loved" games or $20 bestsellers?

PS3 in 2008 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17872878)

Much like the PS2, I'll wait a year or two for prices to drop. By that time, it should also have a decent catalog of games. ;-)

I'm a cheapass.... (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 7 years ago | (#17874324)

I got a GameCube last Christmas (I'd been coasting on my SNES for a decade). This year I got a DS (used red one, not a Lite). I'm currently thinking PS2 next year, Wii in 2008. Although I don't know if I can wait that long for a Wii... But it would be so unlike me to pay more than $100 for a console. I'm torn.

Last generation a safe bet. (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#17892188)

I've played the Wii a bit, and while I did find it to be very entertaining I can't say the games are any more enjoyable than anything else I've played. I've had at least as much fun gaming with friends on the Gamecube. So ultimately, while I could appreciate the unique control scheme I don't think it was compelling enough for me to decide to spend the money on a Wii. I'd say a DS, which offers similar gameplay albeit with a different, but still unique control scheme provides more value for the dollar.

We've seen the thinking for a while that advanced graphics somehow translate to superior gameplay. But there's this expectation now that somehow a unique controller is somehow going to spur new unheard levels of gameplay. Playing with the Wii I was already seeing limitations with the controller. What it does it does amazingly well and it does make for games that are undeniably fun. But the game has to be built around the controller. A regular controller still makes for a better general device. I'd say the functionality that will provide the most benefit will be the targeting feature, being able to point at something on the screen and not fiddle with an analog stick.

Being a PC gamer I've never spent money on a new console. What I have gotten was used, so my console experience has all come from gaming at a friend's house or more recently, via emulation. However, it has crossed my mind to go out and get a PS2. Although I tend to favor Nintendo for gaming, I'd get a PS2 over a Gamecube because of variety. And some of the most unique or compelling games out there haven't been released on Nintendo's console. Look at Katamari Damacy, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Okami, and Guitar Hero among others. And these are all recent games. The other console I'd seriously consider is the Nintendo DS. It already has a strong library, it's portable and being able to play other people online is great.

Even with the Wii's strong sales it's still far too early to tell who's going to win in this generation. But last generation consoles offer a massive library of proven games, they're inexpensive and by this point any reliability issues have long since been worked out. When looking at gameplay it quickly becomes apparent that the new consoles are all over-rated in their own ways.
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