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Jack Thompson Faces Disciplinary Hearing

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the disbarment-we-can-only-hope dept.

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CoolC writes "Gamepolitics is reporting that attorney Jack Thompson is to face a disciplinary hearing before the Florida Supreme Court. The attorney faces five counts of professional misconduct, three of which are correlated with his ongoing campaign against violent video games. Thompson faces the possibility of disciplinary action up to and including disbarment."

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i'm hoping... (5, Funny)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880036)

Thompson faces the possibility of disciplinary action up to and including disbarment.

I'm crossing my fingers in the hope that you misspelled dismemberment.

Re:i'm hoping... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17880088)

If wishing a gruesome death on someone with whom you disagree isn't insightful, I don't know what is.

Re:i'm hoping... (2, Interesting)

chaosite (930734) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880132)

First of all, its not gruesome death, just the loss of an unneeded appendage. Second, its not just that I don't agree with Jack Thompson - the man is disgusting in his conduct.

http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/post/6292 72/Jack_Thompson_vs_Adam_Sessler.html [g4tv.com]

Re:i'm hoping... (4, Insightful)

BakaHoushi (786009) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880538)

"Daddy, daddy! Teacher says everytime a jackass gets a long overdue punishment, an angel gets an orgasm!"

To describe his conduct as "disgusting" is the understatement of the year. Even outside video games, listening to the things he says (neo-conservative religious freak... I don't care where you fall on the political spectrum, that spells "jackass.") makes me sick.

Disbarment is too good for him, but I'll settle for it.

Re:i'm hoping... (2, Interesting)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880642)

Reading through the comments it appears that his statements may well be the result of something other than his ideology. Such things happen. Quite why Slashdot has to treat each one as if it were an existential threat is beyond me.

Re:i'm hoping... (5, Insightful)

BakaHoushi (786009) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880722)

If I may quote his Wikipedia article:
"In 1992, Thompson asked a Florida judge to declare the Florida Bar Association unconstitutional. He claimed that the bar was engaged in a vendetta against him because of his religious beliefs, which he said conflict with what he called the bar's pro-gay, humanist, liberal agenda."

We may disagree, however, I think this line here pretty much says to me that Mr. Thompson is a huge bigot. He's going for the "persecuted minority" (despite being a Christian, which is hardly the minority) routine. This is incredibly disgusting to me on every level. Is it wrong to wish to see him fact the consequences of his actions?

I admit, we're biased. But we're also human, and we're talking of a man who has personally attacked our character (well, the character of anyone who ever plays games, anyway), our hobbies, and has in general, made himself out to be our enemy, as if he feeds off of animosity. Is it surprising we should take some enjoyment in watching and criticizing his actions, in hopes that they may be his downfall? Sorry if this is a bit of nonsensical rambling, but I see no reason we shouldn't be upset at him.

Re:i'm hoping... (0, Redundant)

faffod (905810) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880904)

Is it wrong to wish to see him fact the consequences of his actions?
I don't thing that there are any facts that consequenced his actions.

Re:i'm hoping... (4, Informative)

Shads (4567) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882048)

He won't get disbarred unfortunately. That man has been to more ethics hearings and such than most attorneys every go to.

Check out his entry on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorn ey) [wikipedia.org] crazy shit... Janet Reno, Two Live Crew, Madonna, Time Warner, Howard Stern, dozens of companies, and even the florida bar... he has a long and colorful history and has had several visits with the florida bar people to consider disbarment. They really don't like him much.

Re:i'm hoping... (2, Interesting)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881682)

I assume you're trying to make a pun, but I don't think dismemberment [cambridge.org] means what you think it does. While the definition doesn't call for it, the word certainly has (for me at least) connotations of a gruesome death.

Re:i'm hoping... (3, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882236)

That would be disembowelment [reference.com] ...

Re:i'm hoping... (2, Informative)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882274)

Given the arteries and veins that run through your appendages, unless the bleeding was stopped, he would indeed die. Furthermore, even if the bleeding were stopped, it would be possible to die from pain and shock.

Re:i'm hoping... (4, Funny)

rbochan (827946) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880768)

I'm hoping he gets a cameo as a corpse in the next GTA release.

Re:i'm hoping... (3, Funny)

aplusjimages (939458) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880814)

No he needs to be the boss you kill at the end. I'm betting that he will be the most killed big boss ever in the history of video games.

Re: I'm hoping... (2, Funny)

LordEd (840443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881954)

There's a violent solution. You must be a video game player.

Re: I'm hoping... (4, Interesting)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882120)

What are you talking about? He pressed a button. There's nothing violent about pressing a button.

NOW, sending tens of thousands of troops to a foreign country in a war of aggression and occupation and subjugation which results in 40,000 civilian casualties. THAT is violent.

But I guess context is a silly thing. We don't need that.

HAHAHAHA (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17880062)

The subject says it all

uh (0, Redundant)

waspleg (316038) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880108)

*kid from simpsons voice* HA HA

and i can't wait to kill people with a high powered rifle when i get home from work, i wonder if i can get jack thompson skinned hostages for counterstrike.

waspleg

Re:uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17880854)

Nelson!

Re:uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17882130)

> i wonder if i can get jack thompson skinned

A poster earlier in this article wanted him dismembered, and now you want him skinned ? Sheesh, you gamers.....

(Appropriately, my captcha for this posting was "murder" :)

Department (4, Funny)

agent dero (680753) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880134)

"disbarment-we-can-only-hope"

Come on, let's try not to show such a bias here on slashd...oh, wha? That Jack Thompson?

I wonder if tarring and featherings are allowed in the florida legal system... Seriously though, isn't this a textbook case of "people getting what they deserve?"

Re:Department (4, Insightful)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880308)

Seriously though, isn't this a textbook case of "people getting what they deserve?"

Definitely, but given his history [wikipedia.org] he'll probably sue the Florida Bar (again).

Re:Department (5, Insightful)

BakaHoushi (786009) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880632)

--What the FUCK?

So, let me get this straight. He sues the Florida Bar Association because he basically says its an evil communist terrorist organization planning to turn everyone gay, and that it's blatantly disregarding the Constitution (Please note: I exaggerate his wording, but either way, it's full of shit) and destroying America.

So he settles for $20,000 out of court. "You're destroying America! Stop it now!" "How about we just give you some money?" "That's fine, too!"

Damn, this guy is the ultimate sleezeball. If you ask me. Jack Thompson is a shining example of everything wrong with America these days (bigoted, sue-happy, uninformed but with LOUD AND STRONG OPINIONS).

Re:Department (1)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880900)

If I recall, he already is. I think Gamepolitics said he is.

Re:Department (1)

Saxophonist (937341) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882338)

Definitely, but given his history he'll probably sue the Florida Bar (again).

Gee, I wonder where they're going to get a good enough lawyer to defend against that lawsuit.

Re:Department (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881962)

I wonder if tarring and featherings are allowed in the florida legal system...

As I understand it, your U.S. consitution forbids the use of "cruel and unusual" punishments (emphasis mine). I believe tarring and feathering to be either cruel or unusual, but probably not both.

IANAL.

Re:Department (2, Interesting)

Rodness (168429) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881980)

Personally, I think his sentence should include cross dressing in a hooker's outfit, getting picked up by someone in a sports car, getting fucked, dumped, gunned down, and then run over.

That'd be fantastic.

Wrong State (1)

Nastard (124180) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880136)

Too bad it's not happening in Texas.

no, it's a good thing (5, Funny)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880208)

Too bad it's not happening in Texas.
If we got him down here, the electorate would, without a doubt, try to put him into public office.

Re:no, it's a good thing (1)

Derosian (943622) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880772)

Kinky Friedman would never stand for it. =)

Re:no, it's a good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17882180)

Texas is north of Florida. So it would be "up here". Especially as Jacko is from South Florida.

Posting from Florida... (Orlando)

Cock sucking twofo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17880146)

Twofo [twofo.co.uk] Is Dying

DC++ [dcpp.net] hub.twofo.co.uk:4144

It is official; Netcraft confirms: Twofo is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleagured University of Warwick [warwick.ac.uk] filesharing community when ITS confirmed that Twofo total share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all file sharing. Coming hot on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Twofo has lost more share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Twofo is collapsing in complete disarry, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Student comprehensive leeching test.

You don't need to be one of the Hub Operators to predict Twofo's future. The hand writing is on the toilet wall: Twofo faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Twofo because Twofo is dying. Things are looking very bad for Twofo. As many of us are already aware, Twofo continues to lose users. Fines and disconnections flow like a river of feces [tubgirl.com] .

N00b Campus users are the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of their total share. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Twofo sharers fool_on_the_hill and Twinklefeet only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Twofo is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Sources indicate that there are at most 150 users in the hub. How many filelists have been downloaded? Let's see. 719. But 1621 IP addresses have been logged, and 1727 nicks have been sighted connecting to one user over the last term. How many searches are there? 600 searches in 3 hours. The highest sharer on campus, known as "firstchoice", or Andrew.Maddison@warwick.ac.uk in real life, was sharing over 1 TiB, despite working in ITS and not being on the resnet. He's only there so people off campus who think they're too good for bittorrent can continue to abuse the University's internet connection.

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Fact: Twofo is dying

Re:Cock sucking twofo (0, Offtopic)

Fordiman (689627) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881444)

Fact: This is a spam post. I've seen it in at least three other places on /. this week.

That, and I don't even know what Twofo is, but my guess is that Twofo is not only going strong, but pwns this AC's ass.

YHBT YHL HAND (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17881956)

See subject

Re:Cock sucking twofo (0, Offtopic)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881586)

You claim its dead in the body, then turn around a say its dying. Make up your fucking mind before you post this spam shit you stupid fuck.

People like you are first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.

Thompsons wild accusations finally his downfall? (3, Insightful)

T0wner (552792) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880162)

"You're the guy who wants to give (Grand Theft Auto publisher) Take-Two my scalp. You chose to believe people that you knew were thieves and liars, and now you are their useful SLAPP Bar complainant... These are your corporate criminal buddies, Judge Moore. These are the folks with whom you made your bed, the folks whom your good friend said he could fix the case." JT and evidence never have gone hand in hand.

Finally justice. (4, Interesting)

Trendy.Ideology (1058410) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880164)

At least actions like these will (hopefully) help to dissuade people from just blindly attacking and blaming videogames for everything that goes wrong in thier lives... Holding this person accountable for his gross misconduct is the first step towards really making progress against all these anti-videogame warmongering dimwits. It's about time someone put thier foot down and said "No." to all these figureheads shooting thier mouth off without knowing what the hell they're talking about.

Re:Finally justice. (2, Interesting)

BakaHoushi (786009) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880676)

If you believe that this will help end people blaming other things on their problems, I've got this great Bridge in Brooklyn I'm itching to sell cheap.

But seriously, before video games, it was rap music (in fact, it still sorta is), D&D, comic books, rock and roll, movies... And if you want to go back far enough in history, violence was caused by witches and Jews.

Color me cynical, but as much as I'd love to stop seeing parents blame todays massive surge in teen violence (which, if I may be so bold, would like to point out DOESN'T EXIST. Despite school shootings being all over the news, these are still isolated incidents and overall, youth violence is way, WAY down) on video games, I know it'll only be temporary. Something will ALWAYS be society's scapegoat. In recent years, it's felt like America is easily the worst when it comes to this random blame-game (if simply because I have friends in Europe who point out lawyers don't carry the same negative stigma over the pond, where many of these lawsuits would be laughed out of court), but it's still all over the world. In 2010, gay marriage will be causing all of society's ills. In 2015, it'll be gay divorce. In 2600, it will be people who haven't converted from Christianity to Oprahism, and in 4576, it will be those of us that refuse to welcome our new cockroach overlords.

Wherever people go, the scapegoat will always be right behind. ...All the same, even though in the long run, it will change little, I can't wait to see this jerkoff finally get what he has coming to him.

Re:Finally justice. (5, Insightful)

MWoody (222806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881058)

As much as I'd like to believe that's true, that's not really what this mess is about. And it's important that all involved understand that, because if Thompson was guilty of nothing more than a wildly unpopular - among a certain group, anyway - and conservative worldview, then we'd have no hope of him being disbarred.

No, what this is about is Jack Thompson, a crazy man practicing law. What exact view he presents, and whom he attempts to target with his wild accusations and lawsuits, is not the case here. He's a flat-out frothing-at-the-mouth smearing-shit-on-the-walls lunatic that is nevertheless certified to practice law in Florida solely because the last time they tried this he threatened them with a civil suit.

It's important that the gaming community at large not gloat too much should this go the way I so sincerely hope it does - i.e, that Thompson is removed to a position in society where he can do minimal harm. If we start waving the flags and claiming victory over those who ignore the research and continue to claim that video game violence produces killers, then we risk making a nutjob a martyr, and watching three more spring up in his place. The sensible long-term response is, "regardless of my views on gaming and media censorship, it's good for ALL Americans that this man is out of the discussion, and we can continue to argue for our rights with those opponents who approach the issue with dignity, respect, and above all, sanity."

That's not to say this news doesn't make me happy in my pants. Oh, it does. It VERY MUCH does.

Re:Finally justice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17881348)

As much as I'd like to believe that's true, that's not really what this mess is about. And it's important that all involved understand that, because if Thompson was guilty of nothing more than a wildly unpopular - among a certain group, anyway - and conservative worldview, then we'd have no hope of him being disbarred.

Being conservative does not equate to being stupid, despite what the popular of us is. jack Thompson is to the Conservative view point what Ted Kennedy is to Siber Driving and Swimming.

He (Jack Thompson) is a certified nut-case who is better described as a Liberal; i.e. he thinks he is the smartest person in the room, knows whats best for society, and has made it his personal crusade to make the world safe for everybody by changing social laws (read: communism); whether they want it or not. I hope he gets the fate he deserves: disbarment

Re:Finally justice. (4, Insightful)

Fordiman (689627) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881516)

"Being conservative does not equate to being stupid"

No, but toeing the party line would.

Just so's you know.

"(Jack Thompson) ... is better described as a Liberal; i.e. ... knows whats best for society, and has made it his personal crusade to make the world safe for everybody by changing social laws."

Hm. You mean like trying to overturn Roe v. Wade? Or perhaps outlawing gay marraige. Yeah. Those damned liberals. Always thinkin' they know what's best.

Seriously. The second I hear 'liberals are like this' or 'conservatives are like that' I know the speaker has immediately gone into an irrational defensive mode.

Jack Thompson is a conservative; he's almost a reactionary. He's trying to use the legal system to 'protect' the citizens from a new form of content, which is a very conservative thing.

The fact that he's a nutjob has nothing to do with that. There are conservative nutjobs and there are liberal nutjobs. Please, accept your own nutjobs. No one else will.

Re:Finally justice. (4, Insightful)

Fordiman (689627) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881476)

But... but... can't we PRETEND that he's the example of the everyday neo-conservative uberchristian freak?? I mean, much of the US does that for mid-east terrorists, pretending they're examples of muslims. Why can't I assume Jack Thopson is the official spokesmoron of the religious right?

Re:Finally justice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17881520)

Nerd boner!!

Re:Finally justice. (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881364)

I would much rather have such a decision dissuade people (and their lawyers) from filing frivolous lawsuits of any kind.

If Only... (1)

gunny01 (1022579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880170)

Hopeful he'll start a walk towards Washington with a mission to ban all forms of electrical entertainment. Y'know, with the support RV and everything. I need a good laugh.

Meh... (5, Insightful)

kitsunewarlock (971818) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880226)

This just proves that Thompson is just an over-hyped nut-job idiot. The fact only 2/5 of these charges have anything to do with video games continues to discredit him in my eyes not only as a lawyer but as a nut who claims that "videogames are evil." Don't get me wrong, I think video-games are awesome, but cameo'ing him in webcomics and screaming his name at people who claim games are evil is like saying all hippies are like Manson, right? This guy's name isn't even worth mentioning in such cases...I feel bad that he has a slashdot article this late in the game even dedicated to him...I don't think its worth it...

Its like saying "lunatic charged of murder cases thinks he should be able to kill people!" Who cares...in both cases its some stupid crazy loon getting what he deserves...

We need to know what crazy loons are up to (5, Insightful)

BruceCage (882117) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880290)

In essence I agree with you, sometimes it's better to ignore silly people. But in this case I believe Jack Thompson has quite a following among certain groups of people, if we were to ignore them they might be able to do a lot more damage. Instead, pointing out their flawed reasoning or mistakes such as this and discussing it openly can benefit "the cause".

Re:We need to know what crazy loons are up to (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881548)

Jack Thompson wouldn't have a following if 24 hour news stations and web sites didn't have an insatiable need for new stories every hour or two. This guy would, at best, be buried on page 9 between stories about the nine month old Husky puppy that saved her owners from carbon monoxide poisoning and the dangers of oversharpening steak knives.

Jack Thompson is just a member of that breed of attention addicts who will do or say anything to get their faces in the paper. The news media happily obliges these guys, because they're outrageous and clearly demented. They're following is just as demented, and are probably psychologically not all that different from the kinds of guys who end up in cults. If Jack Thompson belongs anywhere, it's on the Jerry Springer Show fighting transexual hookers and eighty year old sex addicts.

Re:Meh... (5, Insightful)

Trendy.Ideology (1058410) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880364)

I don't think there's ever a time where it's not good to spread information.

"I feel bad that he has a slashdot article this late in the game even dedicated to him...I don't think its worth it..."

I rarely turn on the news, or read the paper. Slashdot is one of two "news" sites I read, the second being primarily video game based site. So if not for new sites like Slashdot, and other specialty news outlets, I very well may not have known about this extremely relevant piece of information.

Over the last several years it's been a tad bit demoralizing to see logic and reason go out the window in the USA, in favor of a policy of scapegoating. Killed your brother? Blame violent music. Robbed a store? Blame GTA. 8 year old that swears like a sailor? Blame TV and the media at large.

You're a bad parent? Don't worry, we can fix that. Here, blame these guys. Everyone's doing it, it's all the rage.

If you're fat, it's McDonald's fault. If you can't read warning labels or use common sense, whoever made what hurt you, is to blame. Clearly they should have warned you that you were retarded before selling you a product that's designed to do damage, like a knife, or a product that's been served pipping hot for as long as anyone's been alive, like coffee. Clearly you needed to be told not to spill hot coffee on your lap.

So taking a good look back over the last several years, and all the madness... It's refreshing to see a stand being taken against these trends. If left unchecked, people like this, and attitudes like these, will lead to the widespread disappearance of personal responsibility.

Re:Meh... (3, Insightful)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880726)

### If left unchecked, people like this, and attitudes like these, will lead to the widespread disappearance of personal responsibility.

Jack Thompson might be a nutjob, that however doesn't mean that violence in video games and other media isn't a problem. You know, personal responsibility is a door that swings both ways, just because people should take care about themself or parents about their children doesn't mean that McDonalds, the cigarette industry or video game developers should get away with selling whatever they feel makes them the most money while totally ignoring the consequences. They have responsibilities as well.

I am not saying that video games should be banned, but its sad that there is so very little room left for meaningful discussion of such topics. You either get the 'every should be banned' nutjobs or the people who want everything totally free and unregulated, no matter the consequences, while in the end the best would probably be something in between those two extremes.

Re:Meh... (4, Interesting)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881110)

or the people who want everything totally free and unregulated, no matter the consequences,
I have not seen anyone on this article put forth this opinion. The "problem" is, no-one has proven there are any consequences so people wanting everything totally free and unregulated no matter the consequences look exactly the same as those who want everything free barring no bad consequences.

Re:Meh... (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881574)

People have been enjoying violence for millennia. Cock fighting, boxing, bullfights and the Roman arena are all examples of it. I had not heard that any of this, no matter how distasteful, have lead to the horrors that nutjobs like Thompson seems to think video games do.

Perhaps instead of blaming violent entertainment, we should be looking at why we so enjoy watching people get the shit beat out of them.

Re:Meh... (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882038)

Anyone who says that The SIMS is smut that is destroying our children is simply adding noise to the discussion. It's the same thing as saying that marajuana is as bad as meth. Loud, uninformed shouting that everything is a problem does nothing to recognize or deal with the real issues.

Jack Thompson's noise being silenced would be a great thing for the debate at large. More mature and reasoned voices can now (hopefully) be heard.

Re:Meh... (1)

pissedoffamerican (1002647) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882206)

I hate to veer off topic, but you can't seriously blame McDonald's for its customers getting fat, can you? They know what they're eating is pure shit. Same thing with cigarette companies.

Re:Meh... (3, Insightful)

xigxag (167441) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882350)

video game developers should get away with selling whatever they feel makes them the most money while totally ignoring the consequences. They have responsibilities as well.

there is so very little room left for meaningful discussion of such topics.

Such topics are discussed ENDLESSLY. Ad freaking nauseam [google.com] . The problem is this: One side has decided, arbitrarily, without any compelling evidence whatsoever, that videogames are harmful to children. The other side says, okay, before you go claiming I have "responsibilities" and abridging my rights to self-expression, show me your evidence that what I'm doing is harmful. And that's where things lie. The first side wants to pretend that the "evidence" step (and that whole little issue of parental responsibility) should be skipped over and we should move directly on to imposing restrictions. So when you say "discussion," if you mean "discussion of how far we should restrict video game manufacturers based upon a mere gut feeling that what they're doing is bad," that's not the discussion that the software industry wants to have.

However, if forced, they will have the "let's enact a useless self-imposed 'rating' system to keep the think-of-the-children crowd at bay" discussion.

Re:Meh... (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881092)

Well I had sex with your wife last night. I'm guessing telling you after you had just found out your father died would be a bad time to spread that information ;)

Re:Meh... (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881114)

Slashdot is one of two "news" sites I read, the second being primarily video game based site.

That's actually rather frightening. There aren't more like you out there, I hope.

Re:Meh... (1)

BakaHoushi (786009) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881446)

To be fair, where else can you get "news?" CNN? MSNBC? FOX?! I think I'd prefer people just get NO news, live in a bubble, and have no opinions at all, than get their news from those places.

Me, I don't get my news from any one place in particular. I do find a lot of links to stories from the AP and the BBC a lot, though.

Re:Meh... (1, Offtopic)

Trendy.Ideology (1058410) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881492)

Slashdot is one of two "news" sites I read, the second being primarily video game based site.

That's actually rather frightening. There aren't more like you out there, I hope.
I certainly fucking hope there's no more of me running around.

Otherwise my secret is fucked.

I can't let people know the secrets of spending more time doing things that make me happy, and less time worrying about the world around me.

The world at large, foreign affairs, and global happenings, have yet to smack me in the back of the head for ignoring them... yet. So, I'll cross my fingers, and pray to probability, that they do so soon, and bring me to my senses, that I should devote more time to reading/watching the news.

This is what you want, yes?

Honestly, I don't care for the most part. I'm 21, I work anywhere from 36 to 54 hours a week. I have better things to do with my free time, like, things that are enjoyable, and I have things I care about more than the "news" on any given day. The only reason I'm currently spending even this much time on a news site is that my current job has a fair amount of dead time where I can browse online, while nothing is busy. If the news floats your boat that much, more power to you. Otherwise keep it in your pants chief, cause I aint having any of it.

It's kinda hard to not have a pretty good idea about what's going on in the world around you unless you literally live in a cave. I get my daily news second-hand from my co-workers, and at my second job, dealing with customers. I'd have to try extra hard to IGNORE the world around me.

Why you needed to be a douchecock and say that, I can only guess. But if I wanted to be told to watch/read the news more, and how important current events are, I'd go to an old folks home. As it stands, the Daily Show and the Colbert Report, are all the news I want/need.

Re:Meh... (4, Informative)

kinzillah (662884) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881540)

Sorry, but I feel it should be pointed out, that McDonald served that lady's coffee scalding hot. 180-190 degrees, which is enough to give you 3rd degree burns in 7 seconds or less. She was hospitalized for 8 days, and required skin grafts. Had McDonalds served their coffee at the normal serving temperature of around 150 degrees, she would have been in some pain for a day or so, probably needed to go to the hospital to get checked on, but that's about it. Why did McDonalds serve their coffee so hot? So they wouldn't have to brew a new batch so often.

So yes, it's her fault it spilled. Is it her fault she got 3rd degree burns from it? No.

Re:Meh... (1)

Trendy.Ideology (1058410) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881592)

Since we have no way to prove such a conjecture [reference.com] , I think it's rather pointless to speculate about what would have happened had it been 150 degrees instead of 180-190.

I will say this though, that it was only an example, more meant to illustrate the frequency of frivolous lawsuits, rather than call attention to that specific instance.

Re:Meh... (1, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881762)

Actually is is critical that the McDOnalds incident in your ecample gets pointed out, because there are not as many 'frivilou' lawsuit as people seem to think.

After researching this topic for a few year I came to find out that:
a) Most lawsuits the seem frivilous in the media do so because the facts are not presented.

b) Many 'classic' examples of frivilous lawsuits never really happen and many were started by insurance companies and other anti-Tort orginizations. Example : Person stands on open oven door and the oven falls on her crushing her legs. The is false and was given out by an insurance lawyer as 'prrof' that people should not be allowed to sue companies.

c) Sure there are some, but in the whole scope it's not really that bad. It is alos the only real tool we have when fighting against corporations.

d) Many people 'Threaten to sue' and that will get in the media, but it rarly gets past that point.

You have fallen into a classic media trap. You only hear about lawsuits and since there is never any followup, you think everyone is suing for everything.

We dont need to confecture about 150 degree coffee because we can easily tell the difference between 150 and 190 degrees F.

And finally, people know what conjecture means, there was no reason to be snotty and link it like you are the only human being on Slashdot that know what it means.

Re:Meh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17882202)

It's still a stupid lawsuit, regardless of how hot the coffee was (which is meant to be served hot!!)

Re:Meh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17882282)

The way I heard it was first the coffee was brewed so hot because McDonalds could buy the cheapest possible coffee and still extract some flavor; this was a conscientious thing they had to have the coffee makers specifically modified to operate at the increased temperatures.
Secondly the cups for the coffee were systematically made cheaper and cheaper until they got to the point where the cups no longer had enough strength to function as a coffee cup with out a lid. I also understand that all this was suppressed as part of the settlement; so no its questionable that it was even her fault it spilled when she took off the lid.

Re:Meh... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882214)

I don't think there's ever a time where it's not good to spread information.

I think also that honest debate is always a good thing. The debate about the effects of video game violence deserves some serious discussion. Unfortunately it's people like Jack Thompson who reduce the debate to a Crossfire/Jerry Springer type yelling match that really hurts the voice of the side that has genuine concerns.

My personal view is that those people who have trouble separating reality from fiction shouldn't play video games. Also video games should not be used as baby sitters. Parents should raise their kids and take responsibility. Just like TV and movies and books, every generation wants to blame the newest media: TV is evil. Before that, books are evil (Mark David Chapman claimed that Catcher in the Rye was his inspiration to shoot John Lennon). People who are mentally unbalanced can be triggered by things, but blaming TV, books, video games just lessens the fact that they were unbalanced to begin with. Just my 2 cents.

Re:Meh... (1)

kitsunewarlock (971818) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882326)

I didn't know which to reply to in this discussion, but: Has anyone here *ever* actually *met* any of these "anti-video game" people? Ever been accused of being violent? Ever seen a game taken off the shelves permanently (I may be wrong. This is a legit question)?

Calm down... (2, Insightful)

optkk (907995) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880292)

He's not been put away yet. And while we're at it, let's not hope for dismemberment, lets hope, that he gets to share a cell with somebody that was put away for a crime that was somehow linked (although incorrectly) to video game violence.

Re:Calm down... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17880412)

No. Lets hope he gets put in a cell with a big man named bubba, preferbly who was put in goal for rape............

Re:Calm down... (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880458)

And here I was hoping he'd get to share a cell with someone who believes in "situational homosexuality"...

And believe that Mr. Thompson has purty lips...

Re:Calm down... (2, Funny)

Trendy.Ideology (1058410) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880552)

"He's got a real pretty mouth on him, don't he?"

Re:Calm down... (1)

wboelen (916816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881040)

I don't know any games that involve showers, soap, and dropping the latter.

Re:Calm down... (1)

kanweg (771128) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881112)

Could you care to comment on the rather ambiguous expression "share a cell"?

Bert

Can't say I feel sorry for the guy (1)

jedkwon (973410) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880414)

I kind of feel like I'm in that one episode of Futurama with the time skips... Jack Thompson says video games are evil... ZZZZZT Jack Thompson brings lawsuit against video game companies..... ZZZZZT Found dead in a hotel bathtub....

Re:Can't say I feel sorry for the guy (1)

PunkOfLinux (870955) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881988)

That one was just on Adult Swim last night :D Anyway, moving on... this guy shouldn't be allowed to talk. I'll get the hot glue.

Re:Can't say I feel sorry for the guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17882148)

More appropriate than the last one would be (the combinations have to be weirder, your suggestion is too predictable :-)):

ZZZZT Jack Thompson disbarred for courtroom antics ... ZZZZT appointed as Attorney General of Bush III administration ... ZZZZT was appointed to Supreme Court today ... ZZZZT found naked in Las Vegas hotel room playing the latest GTA: Washington DC edition for the XBox 720.

Too Bad He Couldn't be Tried in Auburn, WA. (5, Funny)

NeuroManson (214835) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880446)

Up here, there's a nice art deco building, started as a supermarket, then up until a couple of years ago, existed as a video game arcade. Now it's a courthouse. The irony would be mind boggling.

Jack was abscent... (1)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880648)

the day they taught law at Law School. Seriously though, even if he is disbarred, we won't see the last of him. He'll still be out there "fighting the good fight", only just in the media instead of in the court room.

Re:Jack was abscent... (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881052)

Actually, after reading the e-mails that got him into this mess, it's clear that he missed the day they taught S'ing TFU in grade school.

Re:Jack was abscent... (4, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881072)

The media has always been where Jack Thompson does most of his "fighting", that he happens to be a lawyer is incidental.

Obligatory Penny Arcade Links (4, Informative)

giafly (926567) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880826)

"Moral Kombat" - comic 5 Jan 2007 [penny-arcade.com] .

"Obviously he [Jack Thompson] didn't mention anything to the police department about his "Modest proposal" in which he asks that a game be developed in which players urinate on peoples brains and murder kids who work at game stores. He never mentions that he offered ten thousand dollars to charity and then said it was just "satire." He doesn't tell the police chief that Jerry and I just donated the ten thousand for him. I wonder why he left that part out?" - Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com]

Tshirts > Gaming > I Hate Jack Thompson...
Virtually every living creature hates Jack Thompson, professional scold and slavering ambulance chaser. Squirrels, policemen, sea captains, fruit bats... - black t-shirt [thinkgeek.com]

Re:Obligatory Penny Arcade Links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17881178)

Or even better [vgcats.com] from Scott Ramsoomair at VG Cats (with a toon [vgcats.com] to go with it).

Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17881310)

I think the withdrawn offer to donate to charity was a bit odd, too, but as for the "Modest Proposal" part, I think they're confused if they don't know what he was talking about [wikipedia.org] .

I don't agree with a number of the things he's done, but I see no need to attack him for silly reasons.

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17882166)

The problem is that the original A Modest Proposal is satire precisely because the titular proposal is completely ludicrous. Jack Thompson's proposal, on the other hand, is not at all ludicrous because game developers (unlike Thompson and his ilk) are able to distinguish between fantasy and reality, and thus do not mind making a game/mod in which the protagonist kills game developers.

Devil's advocate (1)

idiot900 (166952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17880868)

To echo the comments of the Penny Arcade artists (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2005/10/19):

Jack Thompson, in my opinion, is an idiot who does a lot to hurt his own cause. If he gets silenced by being disbarred, it may actually be a net negative for the video game playing public, because he might be replaced by someone who is actually good at convincing people that video games are somehow the root cause of school killings.

Re:Devil's advocate (1)

Wordsmith (183749) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881804)

1) Dis-barring him wouldn't shut him up)
2) It's not like it's a staffed position and they have to find a new scare-monger if he leaves; a more effective JT could show up at any time whether the current one's around or not
3) Someone smarter would be just fine - they could be debated on the merits of their arguments.

Re:Devil's advocate (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17881958)

"Someone smarter would be just fine - they could be debated on the merits of their arguments."

Not so - someone smart enough to be capable of real media manipulation will dodge any question where logic or evidence will show they're in the wrong. Ole Mad Jack just starts shouting.

Too bad (1)

sugarman (33437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881024)

The "videogames-are-evil" crowd will still be around. Disbarring JT just leads to the likelihood that they'll hire someone competent the next time there's a litigious situation involving video games.

Seriously, why would you want to get rid of an opponent that is such a raving loon that he ends up making you look good every time out?

Re:Too bad (1)

Sigma 7 (266129) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881136)

Seriously, why would you want to get rid of an opponent that is such a raving loon that he ends up making you look good every time out?
As you know, this opponent has recently tried to sue companies for releasing games (e.g. Bully). This procedure, known as vexatious litigation, ties up resources in court which may or may not be recoverable.

Re:Too bad (1)

tucara (812321) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881196)

I disagree with the whole "Devil you know" idea. Getting rid of morons who participate in public debate should be a goal no matter what side you're on. I'd rather have someone intelligent in the opposition so a real exchange of ideas can take place, even if it means I loose the debate. Otherwise you get the same talking points bounced back at one another for decades and nothing changes. There is an objective truth about whether or not violence/sex in video games is harmful to minors. Theories can be formed and tested, evidence can be presented and the subject can be laid to rest for a length of time. Having a JT on the other team just generates waste in furthering the discussion.

DId it occur to you (1, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881662)

that they tried to get someone competent and ended up with JT?

Not all lawyers are media whores like JT, and the few that our are smart enough to stay away from cases like these.

Give em hell (-1, Flamebait)

dcam (615646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881028)

Give 'em hell for me Jack. Protect those kiddies!

Re:Give em hell (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881464)

someone claiming perl is a bad language can't possibly be expected to think for himself without falling over on the pavement every time.

you, sir, are a moron.

Jack Thompson wasn't protecting kids. He was crusading against video games because his son wanted to play GTA.

Re:Give em hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17881752)

*Whoosh!*

Re:Give em hell (1)

mschuyler (197441) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881886)

Double Whoosh. That post went right over your head.

Re:Give em hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17882248)

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

In the words of the Geto Boys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17881346)

From "We Can't Be Stopped"

Willie D-"I heard a news report, some laywer in Florida wants to take us to court!"

Buswick Bill-"Somebody tell that country-ass hick, to go suck a dead man's dick."

Write. (1, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17881642)

If you know of an example of his misconduct, and can offer evidence, send it to the Florida Bar.

What motivates this guy? (2, Interesting)

merc (115854) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882074)

This guy didn't just wake up one morning and get hit by an Atari 2600 being thrown out of a window. What happened that made him such an ardent opponent of gaming?

John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted" is motivated by what happened to his son, what happened to Thompson?

Re:What motivates this guy? (2, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 7 years ago | (#17882144)

This guy didn't just wake up one morning and get hit by an Atari 2600 being thrown out of a window. What happened that made him such an ardent opponent of gaming?

John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted" is motivated by what happened to his son, what happened to Thompson?

He's an attention addict, who keeps getting his fix because everyone keeps on paying attention to him long after it's clear he's an immoral lunatic.

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