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Scientology Critic Arrested After 6 Years

Hemos posted more than 7 years ago | from the running-to-standstill dept.

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destinyland writes "Friday police arrested 64-year-old Keith Henson. In 2000 after picketing a Scientology complex, he was arrested as a threat because of a joke Usenet post about "Tom Cruise Missiles." He fled to Canada after being found guilty of "interfering" with a religion, and spent the next 6 years living as a fugitive. Besides being a digital encryption and free speech advocate, he's one of the original Burr-Brown/Texas Instruments researchers and a co-founder of the Space Colony movement."

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Tom Cruise Missile (5, Funny)

lecithin (745575) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890704)


"Other posters joined in the internet discussion, asking whether Tom Cruise missiles are affected by wind. "No way," Keith joked. "Modern weapons are accurate to a matter of a few tens of yards."

So, does that make Tom Cruise a 'straight shooter'?

Re:Tom Cruise Missile (5, Funny)

DJCacophony (832334) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890744)

Tom Cruise? Straight? I think not.

Re:Tom Cruise Missile (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890864)

I didn't know that interfering with a religion was a crime. Could any lawyers provide some details about this law and what constitutes breaking it?

Thanks.

Arrest this man! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891126)

I didn't know that interfering with a religion was a crime. Could any lawyers provide some details about this law and what constitutes breaking it?

It's covered under amendment DCLXVI of the Constitution: The Right To Never Think, which says in part:

Endeavoring to apply rational thought or common sense or questioning any aspect of religion in any way shall be deemed a crime against religion;

Re:Tom Cruise Missile (5, Informative)

Intron (870560) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891164)

California hate crime [la.ca.us] law from the DA's office. ... threatening to use force to injure, intimidate, or interfere with another person who is exercising his or her constitutional rights.

Re:Tom Cruise Missile (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891008)

No but he won't pebble dash you toilet.

Re:Tom Cruise Missile (4, Insightful)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891136)

Well, the real joke is "The land of the free" bullshit.

Scary (4, Insightful)

salimma (115327) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890712)

Have we in the Western world become so enamored by political correctness that we cannot even take a joke for what it is? A similar double standard is happening in Britain right now: racism by the majority is rightfully condemned, but some minorities seem to be able to get away with inciting hatred [guardian.co.uk] (The Observer)

Re:Scary (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890766)

Have we in the Western world become so enamored by political correctness that we cannot even take a joke for what it is?

We've become so enamored with religion and terrorism that we can't make jokes about anything having to do with either.

Re:Scary (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890904)

Ha! Just because you're too scared to make a joke, don't label the rest of us as weenies...

Re:Scary (2, Insightful)

IcyNeko (891749) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890988)

We've become so crack-laden that we can't tell whether or not a pyramid-scheme enterprise is a religion or now.

Re:Scary (3, Funny)

green menace (806773) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891182)

Not true. I heard a great one this morning. A terrorist, A scientologist, and a donkey walk into a bar.... Oh snap... I suck at remembering jokes.

Re:Scary (1)

nickos (91443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891040)

It is stupid to be critical of someone for their race, but IMHO we should be critical of religion, especially if, as in the case you point out, they are calling for the deaths of non-believers.

Re:Scary (3, Informative)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891150)

Have we in the Western world become so enamored by political correctness that we cannot even take a joke for what it is?

He wasn't sent to jail for the joke. If you look at the original conviction article [wired.com] , he was engaging in a lot of physical stalking behavior. I have to say, if someone was following me around -- physically -- and making "jokes" about violence on the Internet, and was a known hater of my religion, I'd want his ass to be in jail, too.

Just because they're wacky scientologists doesn't mean they open game for stalkers with axes to grind (so to speak).

Re:Scary (5, Informative)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891248)

I've read about his case, and from that I'd say the 'stalking' material would be his picketing their compound. Complete with big-ass sign.

Going by the standards that it takes to get abortion protestors arrested, there's something fishy about the case.

Hey Scientology, this one's for you (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890722)

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Re:Hey Scientology, this one's for you (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890872)

2003 called, it wants its troll back.

hm (3, Funny)

UPZ (947916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890750)

And yet they couldn't arrest Kyle and Cartman....

Re:hm (5, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890888)

One of the things that makes Scientology dangerous is not that they believe in odd things, it's that they are very well organized and equipped to muzzle detractors. South Park attacked the fundamentals of belief in a way that's obvious. Nobody except Keith and that church branch really know what happened during his protest. The original trial where he wasn't able to even counter Scientology's accusations is a travesty of justice. Beleving in Xenu, thetans, and paying gobs of money for the privilage of memorizing word lists aren't in themselves dangerous, illegal, or even wrong. What IS dangerous is how much legal protection they are granted by being recognized as a religion and their willingness to exploit the law in their favor. Other religious organizations (Roman Catholic for the best example) dumped influencing governments centuries ago. Like a badly behaved child, this new religion is trying to do exactly what a lot of the old world religions did at one time and no longer consider fashionable.

Re:hm (3, Insightful)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891236)

Other religious organizations (Roman Catholic for the best example) dumped influencing governments centuries ago. Like a badly behaved child, this new religion is trying to do exactly what a lot of the old world religions did at one time and no longer consider fashionable.

Umm, have you not been paying any attention AT ALL to what the religious right has done and/or tried to do to the US governments direction and policies in the past 25 years?

Re:hm (1)

Derek Loev (1050412) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891018)

Where's R. Kelly when you need him?

Re:hm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891256)

I heard he was in the closet with a Tom Cruise Missile.

Simpsons did it (0, Offtopic)

fatnicky (991652) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890762)

Simpsons did it. Wait, no they didn't.

Tom Cruise and Scientology are nothing to shout about.

Scientology isn't a Religion (5, Insightful)

Cornflake917 (515940) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890808)

Seriously, it's just a pyramid scheme that takes advantage of people's unhappiness. The leaders of scientology make bank by brainwashing their followers.

Even if Scientology was a legitimate religion, why is it illegal for someone to interfere with a religion, but it's completely acceptable for religions to interfere with everyone elses lifes.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890874)

Is there even such a thing as a legitimate religion?

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (5, Insightful)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890898)

The vast majority of religions that do not require payment. Most religions will teach the beliefs regardless of whether you cough up money. Some ask for donations but that is hardly on the same level as Scientology.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (5, Funny)

jspectre (102549) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891116)

maybe it's about time someone starts an open-source religion? license it with the gpl so it can be distributed freely and not require payment to participate in. everyone can modify it as they see fit and all gods/goddesses must be open for all to see.

i just wonder how long will it take for microsoft to embrace the new religion, add their own pantheon, patent it and try to squash the rest of us? i can hear the chant now... "developers.. developers.. developers.." as we do a monkey dance around a bonfire of burning penguins.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (2, Interesting)

Sique (173459) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891196)

So at least for Austria and Germany, there are only a few small religious groups which are "legitimate". Most larger churches (e.g. catholics, lutherans, reformed churches) have a contract with the government which then collects the church membership fee for them with the normal taxes. You can only stop your automatic church payments by officially declaring you are no longer member of this church.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1)

lmpeters (892805) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891054)

Religions are (or at least were) born out of people's desires to know why they exist, and to be able to answer other great philisophical questions. When they had no way of finding the truth, they made up stories that seemed to fit what they could observe. Hence, stories to explain such things as the origins of life on Earth, why we have day and night, and so on.

The problem, as I see it, is that some people take these stories as literal, unquestionable truth, even when the facts show that the stories can't possibly be true. Combine this with how certain religious leaders will pick and choose amongst the messages within their religion to create the illusion that their ambitions are condoned by said religion, and religions tend to morph over time into various kinds of confidence schemes.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891120)

Religions are (or at least were) born out of people's desires to know why they exist, and to be able to answer other great philisophical questions.

I disagree, I think the reason is cruder. Religions have come about because people are afraid of their own deaths. That's why most religions revolve around some kind of immortality (heaven, reincarnation, whatever). That's why I consider religions to be ulitmately selfish.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (3, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890960)

So what's your definition of a "legitimate religion," and why doesn't Scientology fit it?

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (4, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891110)

Legitimate religions are based on Gourds or Sandals. Scientology is based on science and so clearly is not legitimate.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891282)

I know you're joking, but I just wanted to make sure that "Scientology is based on science" is a meta-joke and you don't really believe it is.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (5, Insightful)

Bastian (66383) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891184)

At this point it's no secret that L. Ron Hubbard started the Church of Scientology as a sort of get rich quick scheme. There's plenty of documentation of this, and there is plenty of information on the CoS's internal workings that has made it into the public record thanks to a number of court cases. Red flags should start flying immediately once one realizes that you have to pay the CoS thousands and thousands of dollars before they will start telling you the religion's actual theology (the stuff in Dianetics is really only the tip of the iceberg, it isn't even enough that I would be willing to say that Dianetics alone could possibly qualify as the basis for a religion).

It's true that you've struck on an interesting semantic conundrum, though. The fact of the matter is that, as part of his scheme, LRH and his compatriots did have to construct a religion, and the fact of the matter is that anything can be a religion as long as people actually believe it. And there is a group of people, the Freezone Scientologists [wikipedia.org] who have turned the official Church of Scientology and the incredible number of crimes it has committed. This group is obviously a legitimate religion as much as any religion can be according to any objective definition that I can come up with*.

*Since I can't personally determine the details of the beginnings of any religion, I don't feel it's reasonable to say one religion is legitimate and another isn't based on which ones I am guessing came from the imagination of one man and which ones are truly divinely inspired. Especially given that, as an atheist, I believe that all religions fall into the former group. So I won't call Scientology-the-religion illegitimate despite the fact that it was created as part of Scientology-the-pyramid-scheme.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1)

Carrot007 (37198) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890968)

Well der,

Care to point out anything else obvious?

All "religions" are pretty much just as bad though, they just have more history and think they can get away with it.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891002)

but it's completely acceptable for religions to interfere with everyone elses lifes.


Because that's the purpose of religion. Religion(s) were designed to instruct people in a certain set of ways or rules which must be followed to appease whatever god(s) or goddess(es) that religion worships. In other words, we (the religion in question) will tell you how to live your life.

Think about it, christianity says you must to X, Y and Z to get into heaven. If you don't, you're condemned to an eternity of damnation. Islam has its own rules that one must follow to be rewarded.

Other than making people feel better about themselves, the only purpose of religion is to interfere in people's lives.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891106)

I think he's referring to its interference in other people's lives. Meaning those people who are not believers in the religion, such as this critic.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (2, Informative)

operagost (62405) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891326)

Think about it, christianity says you must to X, Y and Z to get into heaven.
Actually, no. Just "X", which is John 14:6.

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891098)

Seriously, it's just a pyramid scheme that takes advantage of people's unhappiness. The leaders of scientology make bank by brainwashing their followers.

The truth is that this could be said about dozens or organizations and companies. Sit down and watch comercials and see what is actually being said and you will find that most of the time the message is "Your life sucks, but if you buy our product it will become fantastic."

Even if Scientology was a legitimate religion, why is it illegal for someone to interfere with a religion, but it's completely acceptable for religions to interfere with everyone elses lifes.

This is actually a pretty odd question because (I suspect) that if a religion interfered with a person's life (on the scale that would typically be required for a person to get in trouble for having interfered with a religion) the religion would be in serious trouble.

The reality of the matter is that (most) Religions are special interest groups (like PETA and Greenpeace) which are given tax breaks mainly because of the ammount of charitable work they're responsible for.

Scientology, in particular, is not considered a religion everywhere and is only really powerful because they have focused on 'recruting' powerful celebrities (by giving them a much better lifestyle than most people in scientology), and liberal use of the most powerful force in the modern world (lawyers).

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1)

Triv (181010) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891234)

Seriously, it's just a pyramid scheme that takes advantage of people's unhappiness. The leaders of scientology make bank by brainwashing their followers.

Not like 'REAL' religions don't do that or anything [wikipedia.org] ...

Re:Scientology isn't a Religion (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891302)

Q. What's the difference between a cult and a religion?

A. About a thousand years.


All religions turn into pyramid schemes of a kind. Compulsory donations and "tithes" for the Church are common throughout religious history.

Scientology is a particularly interesting religion because we can see for certain that it is false and founded entirely on lies. Independent records about L. Ron Hubbard exist - you can read about his life before Scientology as a con-man, bigamist and benefit cheat.

We cannot easily prove that older religions are also founded on lies, but the fact that their followers behave in exactly the same way as Scientology cultists suggests that it is impossible to distinguish between a "true" religion and a false one.

Here is my hope... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890816)

That, at the end of the day, Scientology will be laughed out of court, and this guy set free. Think SCO vs IBM.

One can dream, of course. Scientology is well-known for legally attacking any and all critics. They are the biggest bullies you have ever heard of, even worse than most Fundamentalists.

New slashdot poll (1)

LordEd (840443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891224)

Biggest bully?:

1. Scientology
2. US Government
3. RIAA/MPAA
4. Microsoft
5. Jack Thompson
6. Cowboyneal

Hazy Case & Donation Fund (3, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890828)

Personally, I've only become aware of this case via this article. If all he did was post that on a forum to cause all this trouble with Scientology, I sure feel sorry for him. But if a California court found him guilty of any wrong, then I think he should serve his time. I don't think "interfering with a church" should constitute a long sentence though. I feel I am missing a large part of the story here or that this article was written omitting tactics Mr. Henson used agains Scientology. I can't judge until all the facts are in but I am aware that people with a lot of money can make strange charges stick.

If you want to support Keith Henson, there is a donation fund set up for his defense fees [extropy.org] .

I personally hate Scientology but they are a religion and must be respected as one. If they can convince chumps to give them money, there's nothing I can do to stop that.

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890886)

Sure there is, you can demand their license to be a church be revoked (as it should be).

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (1)

zentinal (602572) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890952)

Errr... Ummm... In the U.S., the government doesn't license churches, no matter how bizarre their beliefs. You can, however, go after their status as a non-profit organization.

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (1)

anagama (611277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890946)

In the sense that all religions should be respected, that's pure BS. While I personally feel no religions should be treated with any more special respect than other purveyors of escapism, scientology deserves special derision because of their ridiculously litigious practices and destructive capability both to memembers and rational others.

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (5, Interesting)

thelexx (237096) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890970)

"I personally hate Scientology but they are a religion and must be respected as one."

Not necessarily. From http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/ [snafu.de] :

"The German Federal Government maintains that Scientology is an organization which has primarily economical interests. This idea has been reinforced by a ruling of the Federal Labour court (which is not connected to the government in any way). After having reviewed several Scientology books, the judges concluded that Scientology is not a religion, but a commercial enterprise.

  Furthermore, the German government maintains that Scientology tries to distribute its ideas as widely as possible, ideally leading to a society where humans life together according to Scientology rules. A closer look at Hubbard's writings shows that this is not desirable since Scientology is structured in a totalitarian, anti-democratic fashion."

There is an entire faq on the Germany v Scientology thing: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/germany.txt [snafu.de]

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (5, Insightful)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890992)

I personally hate Scientology but they are a religion and must be respected as one. If they can convince chumps to give them money, there's nothing I can do to stop that.

I was going to say something of my own here, then I thought of this Menckenism:

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -- H. L. Mencken

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891022)

I personally hate Scientology but they are a religion and must be respected as one.
The fuck I have to respect them. I will respect and hold in high honor a person or group for their deeds, not because of their self-appointed title.

The Joy or calling something a religion.... (1)

RationalRoot (746945) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891112)

What constitutes interfering with a church.

Did he set fire to it? Did damage the building ?

The churches deserve no special protection in law. If they are right, then they have the protection of God. They need no more. If they are wrong then they deserve no special treatment.

Why is belief in something without, or often in spite of any or all evidence, a virtue.

D

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891168)

They are not a religion they are a fucking cult, with a fat dead and shitty sci-fi writer as their leader, and a bunch of retard hollywood peabrains for followers.

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891216)

"I personally hate Scientology but they are a religion and must be respected as one."

Fuck religion.

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (2, Insightful)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891218)

But if a California court found him guilty of any wrong, then I think he should serve his time.

The problem is that he feared for his life if imprisoned. The Scientologists have a code of ethics by which people who are identified as enemies of their organization are "fair game" for any aggression. It is not unlike a fatwa against a critic of Islam. Indeed, in some ways, Scientology is a post-modern form of Wahhabism.

Re:Hazy Case & Donation Fund (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891324)

Scientology is laughed out of most countries. In the US, though, they managed to get recognised as a religion. They only managed to do that in the US.

So anything that claims to be a religion is automatically one? So if Al Qaida said they are a religion, they have to be respected as such? Is that really how your brain works? :)

Space colony, eh? (5, Funny)

PhxBlue (562201) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890830)

Can we set up a solar colony for the Scientologists?

Re:Space colony, eh? (4, Funny)

anagama (611277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891012)

It needs to be in this order:
1-Set up space colony.
2-Send up scientologists.
3-Send up air.

Re:Space colony, eh? (1)

eluusive (642298) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891194)

You did notice he said "Solar" colony, yes?

Re:Space colony, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891030)

We should offer then free trips to the sun.

Previous Discussion (4, Informative)

Lev13than (581686) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890836)

Here's a vintage /. discussion from 2001 [slashdot.org] that discusses Hanson's escape to Canada.

Clash of the nutjobs (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890850)

... Henson, his wife and their 2-year old daughter signed up with Alcor for cryonic suspension. Following the Dora Kent problems [4], Henson became increasingly active. After Alcor had to freeze their chief surgeon, he learned enough surgery to put several cryonics patients on cardiac bypass.

So basically what we're talking about here is crackpot versus crackpots.

Scientology and its ilk are all CULTS (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890860)


Up to date information on thecult of Scientology [rickross.com] or its offshoot cult The Landmark Forum [rickross.com]

Thats quite bold of you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891318)

to post those links.

Resistance is Futle (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890862)

I, for one, welcome our new Scientology overlords!

Anonymous Posting is futile, too

how dare him?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890884)

"Tom Cruise Missiles."

how dare him to joke about Jesus like that?!? /sarcarsm off

posting anonymously so as not to bring on Scientology lawyers and fundamentalists rage after me...

omg (1)

gx5000 (863863) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890900)

OMG there's a law against "Interfearing with a church "?!
and the Scientologists not only qualify, the law was Enforced ??!!

**balls up in corner and shakes in fear**

Re:omg (2, Insightful)

mr_matticus (928346) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891004)

Just another faulty summary designed to promote /. comment storms. Consider it two separate components--being found guilty of harassment or slander or libel or choose your poison, but with the victim being a religious organization. The summary might as well say "sent to jail for interfering with science" when the person released the rabbits from a study, for example (when the crime wasn't "interfering with science" but rather trespassing/theft/etc.).

Have $$$ will enforce (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891130)

Seriously, with the bank Scamantology pulls in, they can afford to push to have stupid crap like this enforced.

How is that NOT free speech? (3, Interesting)

otacon (445694) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890912)

Isn't satire and other kinds of humor covered under the first amendment? and Wow how are you not supposed to make fun of scientology...it's such an easy target...all that stuff about Xenu and aliens being sent here 75 million years ago...it's a humorist's dream

Because it's "hate speech" (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891280)

Basically if you say anything in any way that could, through use of drugs, idiocy, or sheer desire just to feel put upon, be construed (or misconstrued) as a critical you're using "hate speech".

At that point, if the "offended" party has enough money, they get you hunted down by law enforcement and sue your family into debt-slavery for the next trillion generations.

Stupid shit like this gets me so angry I want to start killing people...

All we need now (1, Insightful)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890928)

All we need now is for the government to arrest all the religious people for interfering with atheists (and we are all born atheists) and the world will be a better place.

Re:All we need now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891024)

s/we are all born atheists/we are all born agnostics/

Fixed it for you

But your first point was right - atheism is a religion :)

Re:All we need now (1, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891180)


s/we are all born atheists/we are all born agnostics/
Fixed it for you


That's wrong. No child wonders about a god or gods unless the parents indoctrinate them into a cult in the first place.

But your first point was right - atheism is a religion :)

Funny you mention that. See my sig.

Re:All we need now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891322)

atheism is a religion
Then where and what do atheists worship and how is not believing the same as believing?

Re:All we need now (1)

grub (11606) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891052)


All we need now is for the government to arrest all the religious people for interfering with atheists (and we are all born atheists) and the world will be a better place.

Yep. I've always maintained that raising children to believe in religion is child abuse. It fucks up their mind enough that they'll believe in irrational, superstitious bullshit.

It just seems (2, Insightful)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890940)

like people are becoming more and more panicky nowadays. This whole thing is a giant over-reaction much like the Cartoon Network stunt in Boston. Our government has instilled so much fear in our everyday lives through the repetition of 9/11 and Terrorism that it has greatly our perception of safety and security. I would argue that the threat of terrorism is not as high as the government would have you believe. I am more likened to see 9/11 as a more isolated event that highlighted the critical need to improve security but not to forgo the freedoms that the constitution gives us. Let me caveat by stating that I do not take anything away from the seriousness of the event and I personally cheered as the Taliban paid dearly for their actions. The reality is that we are NOT inches away from another attack, like the Bush Administration would have you believe. In fact, given the lies used to justify the Iraq war, I would say any document issued by the Bush Administration is automatically suspect. We do not need to lead our life with hair trigger concern. This hair trigger concern has detrimental effects to the body and brain.

Correction (1)

XanC (644172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891328)

I agree with some of what you said and disagree with the rest, but I would like to point out that the Constitution does not give us any freedoms. The Constitution prevents the federal government from interfering with freedoms that God gives us.

Re:It just seems (1)

Peyre (988929) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891332)

I second that, Mattster. Especially your point that 9/11 pointed out we need to improve our security; it did NOT mean we need(ed) to throw aside our Constitutional rights.

Friday police (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17890942)

Friday police arrested 64-year-old Keith Henson.

I don't know who these Friday police are, but they should be stopped. Friday police don't have the right to stop free speech anymore than normal police do!

Re:Friday police (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891170)

My partner's Bill Gannon. The boss is Chief of Security, Andy Taylor. My name's Friday.

"Tom Cruise, get out of the closet!" (0)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890944)

PLEASE! Get out of the closet!!! [wikipedia.org]

Re:"Tom Cruise, get out of the closet!" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891072)

I'm, I'm, I'm... not in the closet

Hail Xenu!!! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891134)

So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Temporarily anozinizing [sic] our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!!
-- Trey Parker and Matt Stone (creators of SouthPark)

scientology is just an evil cult (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#17890980)

sometimes, i think it is wrong for countries like germany to prosecute them

other times, i think it is wrong for the usa not too

the issue is one of persecution: one should not be persecuted for their beliefs

but if you are persecuting a group BECAUSE they believe they have a right to persecute people like this poor guy who is also just expressing his beliefs, the argument about freedom kind of collapses in on itself

you are free

we all are

but you are not free to restrict the freedoms of others

and across that simple philosophical divide, so much misery in this world is created, this scientology case beign but one small example

personally, i think there is intolerance, which is evil

and then there is intolerance of intolerance, which is a virtue

you don't gain anything in this world by tolerating the intolerant, except more misery and intolerance

and i think this argument applies just as much to fundamentalist christianity and fundamentalist islam

how or why is tolerance served by tolerating the intolerant?

being intolerant of the intolerance is actually extending tolerance in this world

scientology should be punished, not this poor guy

Re:scientology is just an evil cult (1)

Whatsisname (891214) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891086)

So what you really mean is, you're just tolerant of people that think the same as you. That sure was a whole lot of blubbering for a bunch of nonsense.

correct (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891192)

if by tolerant of just people who think like me you mean people who are tolerant like me

What's your excuse? (3, Funny)

Rahga (13479) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891010)

'In 2000 after picketing a Scientology complex, he was arrested as a threat because of a joke Usenet post about "Tom Cruise Missiles."'

I thought people only read Usenet for the pictures.

Yeah they're oppressed too (0, Flamebait)

gelfling (6534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891014)

Like the 95% evangelical community I live among here in the Bible belt. Go ask those people, just like the rich powerful Scientologists, they whine that they're oppressed. Screw them.

Religion ? (5, Insightful)

Alain Williams (2972) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891046)

Surely calling scientology a religion is an oxymoron ?

They have lots of followers but that is only because they have been brainwashed. Scientology is a way of making money for the high ups. Another source of information about the crap that the scientologists peddle is the fishman affidavit [spaink.net] .

If there was any sense in what they were on about they would argue it out in the open, rather than using underhand legalities to silence those who show them to be the charlatans that they are.

Hmmm (4, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891056)

I'm no fan of Scientology (they suck, bottom line), but after reading the article, I'm sensing there's a LOT more to this story than we're getting told. It's not like the government are typically fans of scientologists either, so I doubt just their nutty braying is going to get someone sentenced to jail. The guy's statements make him sound a little... er... paranoid and wacked out himself.

I think this is one of those cases where both sides are crackpots. Just because the victims are scientologists doesn't mean this guy didn't do some ugly crap that we don't know about.

what a strange character (2, Interesting)

oohshiny (998054) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891064)

Granted, the scientologists are deeply confused and potentially dangerous. And, yes, I think people should be able to criticize them harshly, just one like should be able to criticize any other religion harshly.

But cryonics, extropianism, Drexler-style nanotechnology? This guy is pretty high on the nut-o-meter as well. It's not quite the same level as thetans, but not far off either.

Mormons Rejoice (0, Flamebait)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891076)

In related news:

To avoid charges of "Interfering With a Religion", town leaders in East Cowfuck, Montana, (population 12,000) are advising their citizens to not slam the doors when the "boys in white shirts and black nametags" arrive on their doorsteps.

Mormon President and Profit...Prophet...Gordon B. Hinkley said, "Our armies of youth will crush...err...in 3, 2, 1...Our young men have a message of salvation, anyone refusing to hear it will be prosecuted under the Scientology Act of 2007 (with all due thanks to our benighted brethern of the Church of Scientology, aka The Whacked Out Followers of the False Prophet Tom)"

Hinkley added, "God requires you to vote for Mitt Romney, or He will punish America."

There have to be limits to freedom of religion (5, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891088)

Freedom of religion should not be extended to religions that are clearly made up. There is ample evidence to show that Hubbard pulled Scientology's belief system out his ass, the same cannot be said of any other religion from Christianity to Taoism to neo-paganism. The "Church" of Scientology is nothing more than a roving scam that exploits the first amendment to avoid taxation. It has also been shown to be a haven for systematic criminal behavior and should be considered a threat to American society.

Bottom line is religions don't have "trade secrets," but Scientology does. I could buy that if it claimed to be a mystery religion or a form of gnosticism, but it doesn't. Rather, those secrets are exposed as the result of a financial transaction.

Some religion. Despite my being a libertarian, I think the Germans are right on this one. It's not a religion. It's a subversive organization that needs to be monitored by the state because it has been known to use force and criminal behavior to advance its agenda, which is not even remotely religious.

I don't get it? (2, Insightful)

BigBuckHunter (722855) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891100)

While not outright illegal, everyone here would give me the eyeball if I went out picketing a Jewish mosque. But if I picket Scientology, everyone cheers me on?

That said, unless someone actually breaks a law or does harm, they shouldn't be arrested for "interfering with a religion" unless they actually "interfere". Picketing in a parking lot is about as much interference as a Jovi putting a watchtower under my wiper blade at a red light.
I guess the point is, don't side with this guy just cause he went after Scientology (I am definately not a Scientology defender), side with this pseudo/racist whacko because the US government overstepped in his persecution.

BBH

Re:I don't get it? (5, Funny)

jrumney (197329) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891272)

While not outright illegal, everyone here would give me the eyeball if I went out picketing a Jewish mosque.

If you can find yourself a Jewish mosque to picket, then I say go for it. You'd probably get a lot of support from Jews and mosques around the world (not to mention the evangelical Christians) for picketing such an abomination.

Better advice, better judgement (3, Interesting)

cprael (215426) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891128)

Having dealt with Mr. Hanson in the past few years, he has my earnest hope that he gets better advice this time 'round, and LISTENS to it. No small part of this tragedy comes from Keith's own choices.

Never join a religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891158)

started on a bet. Never.

capthca: churchly

Seriously... (2, Insightful)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891172)

With out knowing the exact details of the case but doesn't this sound like an April Fools joke?

"interfering" with a religion

Is this still America?

With apologies to our benighted brethern in other countries who have yet to see the light of American democracy. We have this message for you: We know where you live, and we will get to you in short order. Please consult Who's Next For a Democratic Make Over [dod.mil] to find out when we will get to you.

Karma whoring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17891198)

Here's a much older slashdot story on this [slashdot.org]

And yes, it is pointless to karma whore as an AC.

arww, they are nice guys. (2, Funny)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 7 years ago | (#17891226)

Step right in for a free personality test. :-r
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