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New N-Gage Confirmed for this Fall

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the cheering-in-the-streets dept.

Communications 71

njkid1 passed on a link to GameDaily's coverage of the new, confirmed, N-Gage. Nokia's ill-fated device is returning, and this time they're already touting some big names attached to the project. EA Mobile and Gameloft, along with other (unnamed) studios are slated to bring new games to the beleaguered handheld gaming appliance. What do you think about this? Will a new N-Gage be able to pull you away from your DS?

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71 comments

I'm so excited! (4, Funny)

Hoplite3 (671379) | more than 7 years ago | (#17896734)

I'm pre-not-ordering so I can not-buy it first!

I'm surprised they'd keep throwing money at that disaster.

Re:I'm so excited! (1)

eriklou (1027240) | more than 7 years ago | (#17896806)

Great, another taco phone. Had a friend who had one of the originals, laughed every time he took a call because it looked like he was talking to a taco.

Re:I'm so excited! (4, Insightful)

Tainek (912325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17896970)

If people gave up the first time somthing didnt work, nobody would be having sex....

i applaud nokia for trying again, nokia always seems to be leading in pushing the mobile market further

If they learn, they might make somthing worth having..

Re:I'm so excited! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17897108)

They already made something worth having, and that is the Nokia N95

all the usual stuff plus a 5MP DC, plus GPS/Navigation Software FUCKING YEAH!

oh god.. somebody needs to clean the mess I just made

Re:I'm so excited! (2, Informative)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897722)

Which is why people are foolish to dismiss the N-Gage based on the failures of the first two. Nokia is clearly learning from past mistakes.

Granted, I think the finest PDA ever made was the Tapwave Zodiac, and look how that turned out. Kick-ass portable computer does not equal kick-ass portable game console.

Re:I'm so excited! (1)

glavenoid (636808) | more than 7 years ago | (#17899206)

Yea, it's too bad Tapwave wouldn't sign Little John Z. Or it's too bad they didn't open up and let people run unsigned code...

Re:I'm so excited! (1)

Flipao (903929) | more than 7 years ago | (#17914048)

Tapwave signed LJZ after a couple months, the Zodiac's failure had more to with Tapwave's focus on it as a rival for the GBA rather than it's insane (for the time) multimedia capabilities. As for the N-Gage, the QD was a pretty decent gaming phone, if still a tad bulky, some games for it were so good it's a real shame not many people got to enjoy them and some console conversions were not bad at all. It's also a true precursor for multiplayer gaming on a mobile device, and there are some decent (and probably costly) experiments on it... Hinterwars was a clumsy attempt at MMORPG, but the long long turned based battles made it everything but portable, and the game just sucked (though the artistic design was pretty decent), Worms, Pathway to Glory and Pocket Kingdom were all great fun online, but it was nearly impossible to find players to play with.

Re:I'm so excited! (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897368)

If people gave up the first time somthing didnt work, nobody would be having sex....

At least sex can be fun...

Re:I'm so excited! (1)

writermike (57327) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897492)

If people gave up the first time somthing didnt work, nobody would be having sex....
You mean I was supposed to try AGAIN?!

Oh, well. I read /. It's not like it would have come up again anyway...

Re:I'm so excited! (2, Funny)

glavenoid (636808) | more than 7 years ago | (#17899140)

they have a pill for that, you know?

Re:I'm so excited! (1)

tapehands (943962) | more than 7 years ago | (#17899798)

If they learned from their first two mistakes, they might make somthing worth having..
Just had to clear up the syntax. I was cringing while thinking, "We're going to sit idly and let them make a 3rd mistake, just so they can learn from it?"

The N-Gage, then the N-Gage QC were both relatively big mistakes for a company the size of Nokia.

Re:I'm so excited! (1)

lupine_stalker (1000459) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897844)

I'm surprised they'd keep throwing money at that disaster.
What do you mean? Throwing more money at something always eradicates its deficiencies. I mean, just look at Daikatana... oh wait...

Monty Python reference (1)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 7 years ago | (#17899334)

FATHER:
Listen, lad. I built this kingdom up from nothing. When I started here, all there was was swamp. Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one... stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad: the strongest castle in these islands.

Misread it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17896772)

New N-Gage Confirmed for the Fail.

I think it's a good prediction for its success though.

Re:Misread it (5, Funny)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897008)

Are you trying to 'dis n-gage'?

Re:Misread it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17913772)

You bought an N-Gage, didn't you?

Will a new N-Gage be able to pull you away from .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17896782)

no

N-Gage Flop, Part 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17896836)

The original N-Gage was a failure. It combined a bad cell phone with a bad portable gaming system. Unless they have made some major upgrades, I doubt the next generation of N-Gage will do any better.

Modern cells phones are pretty powerful pieces of equipment and cellular networks have gotten a lot faster for data downloads. Why bother buying game cartridges for a dumb phone/game system when you can just download games to your Internet enabled smart phone?

all the good games (4, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#17896842)

this time they're already touting some big names attached to the project. EA Mobile and Gameloft, along with other (unnamed) studios are slated to bring new games to the beleaguered handheld gaming appliance.

Yeah, I heard they're going to have some smash hits, like Duke Nukem Forever.

Re:all the good games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17897922)

Yeah, I heard they're going to have some smash hits, like Duke Nukem Forever.

1997 called, and they want their joke back.

Or was it '99? Wait, maybe it was '02. '04? '06. Definitely '06.

Re:all the good games (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#17898752)

The Doctor called and he wants people to stop using his TARDIS for making calls between years to request the return of jokes!

Re:all the good games (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 7 years ago | (#17900262)

No, no, no...

That was the killer game on the Tapwave Zodiac.

N-Gage actually has some halfway decent games. Pathway to Glory and Rifts: Promise of Power are good little games.

It was the console itself that sucked ass.

Unlike the Zodiac, which was a kick-ass console, with crappy games.

Re:all the good games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17901242)

I bought one for emulation purposes only. It's like a game gear. I have never actually used it as a phone though...

I'm excited for the homebrew market that this will open up, if they allow that.

Re:all the good games (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907710)

Well, Symbian Series 60 has one of the biggest mobile phone independent developer markets out there. (Probably right up there with Palm.)

I actually bought my N-Gage specifically to use it as a phone. It was after it had already been declared dead, and they were being dumped cheap. For a 'smartphone', I got a heck of a deal. And using a Bluetooth headset, I don't even have to worry about the goofy 'taco to the ear' look when using it as a phone.

I don't even ... (1)

tekkguy (1006917) | more than 7 years ago | (#17896852)

... have a DS, and the damn thing still won't pull me away from it.

N-Gage,Xbox,Phantom... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17896858)

You would think someone from one of these dopey companies that keep trying to turn out these turds that no one wants them.

Phantom Entertainment, Microsoft, and Nokia should form some sort of brain trust together and finally catch on that gamers DON'T GIVE A SHIT about their systems.

Re:N-Gage,Xbox,Phantom... (2, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897004)

Regardless of whether you like the XBox or not, Microsoft has prroduced a platform which is viable for game development which is more than can be said about most companies which have entered the market.

Now if you look at how expensive it was for Microsoft to enter the market, and how Sony survived mainly because of Nintendo's and Sega's massive screw-ups, it should be obvious why it is foolish to try to enter the market on your own. Now, it would eliminate the purpose for Nokia to enter the market (to get access to licencing fees) but I suspect the best approach would be to combine efforts with Sony/Nintendo to produce a gaming system/phone; if you had a GBA/DS/PSP phone there would (probably) be far greater consumer interest in the product than a nokia game/phone.

Another N-Gage huh? (3, Funny)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 7 years ago | (#17896908)

Well, you know what they say. Loss is the new profit! Nokia to buy Nintendo in 5 years, paid for in bizarro dollars.

Oi Ve... (1)

VE3OGG (1034632) | more than 7 years ago | (#17896932)

This smacks of someone holding onto this thing as their baby and not letting it die the death it not only deserves, but needs. The N-Gage has been plagued by numerous hardware problems (you have to take the battery out to change the game cartridge -- seriously WTF, mate?), not to mention a lack of, well, anything even with big names attached (Hell, it had a Tomb Raider game, and it still couldn't push units). My impression of the unit, however, is that it suffers from one major fault: teenage consumerism.

A huge segment of the market for cellphones and game consoles are teenagers. Teenagers do not have a lot of money (yet they debuted the device for something like 499 initially), they fawn over the latest shiny (especially cell phones, and so they are often getting new ones), but want to continue to play their games (so they have to luge around an outdated [by their standards] device in conjunction with their new shiny cellphone. They often don't have credit cards (and many do not have parents willing to put a contract on their credit bill) and yet you couldn't use prepaid phone cards with it. I mean, this device couldn't fail more if they purposefully tried!

NGage flaws (Re:Oi Ve...) (1)

TypeC (975677) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897068)

"N-Gage has been plagued by numerous hardware problems (you have to take the battery out to change the game cartridge -- seriously WTF, mate?), "

I can't speak for the original phone, but the NGage-QD (the newest one) used games cards that slide in the side. It isn't under the battery at all. I bought it because it was a cheap bluetooth phone at the time. It's great for games, but horrible as a phone. It is unconfortable against the ear and the earpiece sound isn't nearly loud enough.

Re:NGage flaws (Re:Oi Ve...) (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17904154)

It's great for games - compared to other cell phones. Compared to a real portable console, it sucks. And yes, I own a QD, too.

Re:I've found the people responsible! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17916714)

I wonder why Nokia would attempt to enter this market again. It failed pretty badly last time. What kind of idiot buys this stupid crap? Oh... that would be you. :/

Why would you keep it? Taking it back sends a message to the company. It also helps other consumers from making the same mistake when they take the thing off the shelves.

Re:I've found the people responsible! (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17917636)

What kind of idiot buys this stupid crap? Oh... that would be you. :/

I bought it because I collect handhelds. When I bought it, it had already failed. It cost me about 100US$. But thanks for needlessly insulting me, anyway.

Re:I've found the people responsible! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17925198)

I have low self esteem, so needlessly insulting people on the internet is the only thing that makes me feel good about myself. Meh. I guess it's a better hobby than buying junk.

Re:Oi Ve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17897200)

(They actually changed the taking-battery-out thing on the QD version to a slot loader; The original battery removal style one was [imho] superior because it was a lot more dust / rain resistant to have the removable modules behind that access panel. [/imho])

Re:Oi Ve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17897580)

I'm not convinced that a new N-Gage is a smart move yet, but I think you're wrong in several places there:

1. Nokia has historically been very good at choosing the direction they need to go -- and going there even if first attempts fail. So far this has been smart financially.

2. Teens have no money? We must be living on different planets -- who do you think are buying all those PS2 games for 60-70 a piece?

3. The original N-Gage was released ~4 years ago I think. The teens of today don't remember the failure.

4. credit and prepaid aren't the only options in civilized countries (although I admit prepaid may be nice for the kids)

Re:Oi Ve... (1)

xXenXx (973576) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897898)

Actually, the original device was 299$ dollars when it came out. Yeah, it only supported normal phone plans (not prepaid). Up until recently though, the only phones you could get on prepaid plans were cheap and ugly. Most kids get a nice new phone on their parent's contract. So what's your point? Please explain the "numerous hardware problems" that apparently plagued the device. I've got one sitting on the desk in front of me, and the only problems with it have already been mentioned by yourself (aside from sidetalking, hehe).

Re:Oi Ve... (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 7 years ago | (#17898496)

I agree with most of what you said, but you need to understand that teenagers/tweens have 100% disposable income. They represent some billions of dollars of frivolous spending. I forget the exact figure, but 100 billion dollars doesn't sound particularly high for that figure. In fact teens/tweens are the most highly sought after retail market due to this fact. A $300 phone isn't out of the question, particularly in urban areas or affluent ones.

But what if it is good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17896988)

I've always wondered why I can't plug a Gameboy Advance or PSP into my TV to use it as a portable console. I assume it's because both of those products' have console siblings. I find it intriguing that Nokia wants to put a TV-out on their new n-Gage. If they can come up with a decent design and line up an OK range of titles, I won't hold past blunders against them. (I wanted the n-Gage to succeed, but I thought Gizmondo looked OK also despite smelling the company's corruption all the way across the Atlantic)

Game Boy Player (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897432)

I've always wondered why I can't plug a Gameboy Advance or PSP into my TV

Nintendo GameCube with Game Boy Player plays almost all GBA games. I would suspect that the PSP can't output to the TV for the same reason that GBA Video titles freeze intentionally on the Game Boy Player: licensors of audiovisual works don't want you copying GBA Video titles onto VHS tapes and selling them.

Will a new N-Gage be able to pull you away... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17896992)

Will a new N-Gage be able to pull you away from your DS?

HahaHAHaHaHA.

In order to do that, the new N-Gage would have to have two screens and touch sensitivity, and WiFi. But the next generation is supposed to simply be licensing/implementation of N-Gage into several phones, not a single model. I just don't see this happening, period. In fact I don't even see the WiFi thing happening, let alone the rest of it.

It would also have to be a worthy gaming platform in a technical sense, and I didn't get the idea that it was THAT in the last generation, either. Unless they're dramatically improving the platform, it has NO chance whatsoever. I mean these days you can run a pretty badass java midlet on your phone, if you have a fast enough phone anyway.

Homebrew? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897470)

I mean these days you can run a pretty badass java midlet on your phone, if you have a fast enough phone anyway.

You can't "run a pretty badass java midlet" if your mobile phone network operator doesn't allow the use of code not signed by the network operator. (Such restrictions are more common in North America than in Europe.) Good-bye shareware. Good-bye hobby development.

Re:Homebrew? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897784)

You can't "run a pretty badass java midlet" if your mobile phone network operator doesn't allow the use of code not signed by the network operator.

You can if you've got tools to tweak certificate settings on your phone, like I do for all Motorola GSM phones :) (Except maybe the Linux ones...)

But seriously, who is that actually a problem for? I know it's not an issue on T-Mobile or Edge Wireless.

GSM coverage? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17898894)

You can if you've got tools to tweak certificate settings on your phone, like I do for all Motorola GSM phones :)

Do the tools work on IS-95/IS-2000 (aka "CDMA") phones as well? And do they work on phones sold with a prepaid plan, or do I need to agree to pay $720 over 24 monthly installments? And how much does the cable used with the tools cost?

But seriously, who is that actually a problem for? I know it's not an issue on T-Mobile or Edge Wireless.

It's a problem for people who are on the "CDMA" network of Sprint or Verizon because they get unreliable coverage from the GSM network of Cin^H^H^H AT&T or T-Mobile in the locations where they use the phone.

Re:GSM coverage? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905430)

It's a problem for people who are on the "CDMA" network of Sprint or Verizon because they get unreliable coverage from the GSM network of Cin^H^H^H AT&T or T-Mobile in the locations where they use the phone.

Well, Verizon is known to be evil. I should have said up front that I would assume that they do that.

You're right, in a few places there is better CDMA coverage than GSM. I'm sorry. Personally I bought an external antenna for my RAZR so I could still use it at home. Actually I get great signal without it... but ONLY in the bathroom. Seriously, not even outside. And I get no reception in the bedroom, period. (There's a joke there somewhere.)

There are tools for unlocking CDMA phones, but I frankly know nothing about CDMA unlocking. In fact all I know about is Motorola GSM, because that's all I buy.

Re:Will a new N-Gage be able to pull you away... (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 7 years ago | (#17899942)

What if that's what it is? What if this time it's just a badass phone? Most carriers have games these days, and the per MB cost of network transmission has plummetted. What if your next phone might have an n-gage compiant chipset and control stick built in, and that let you download more moderately developed n-gage games from your network provider?

The phone gaming industry is pretty profitable right now for bright companies (and primarily the network operators). What if n-gage was just an extension of that model?

It probably won't be, but a unified next-gen phone gaming platform, that was like the last gen without the spaghetti of standards, might have a real shot.

Re:Will a new N-Gage be able to pull you away... (1)

clonmult (586283) | more than 7 years ago | (#17901726)

Some of the new "N-Gage" games are already out there, and playing quite nicely.

I'm running the new Tomb Raider release on my N73, and it looks and plays as well as the Nintendo DS version. Asphalt2 looks and plays absolutely fantastic. Brothers in Arms 3D is a fantastic WW2 game. Massive Snowboarding works incredibly well. KRally looks and plays just as well as the DS version.

The only problem with a "new N-Gage" is that Nokia seem to be incapable of marketing/pricing it properly.

The current range of S60 phones are generally running 200+mHz processors, and the top end are 300+mHz, with some graphics accelerator as well.

Don't discount it yet .....

Re:Will a new N-Gage be able to pull you away... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905562)

The only problem with a "new N-Gage" is that Nokia seem to be incapable of marketing/pricing it properly.

How do the input devices compare with the DS or PSP?

The current range of S60 phones are generally running 200+mHz processors, and the top end are 300+mHz, with some graphics accelerator as well.

Didn't we just cover why Symbian is poop in a recent discussion here on slashdolt? Anyway practically every Motorola phone today (Triplets and their descendants, RAZR, KRZR, ROKR, etc) is using a 200MHz+ processor, does Motorola get a medal for that?

I just don't see the point, I guess. Sure, some people will buy them. But you can get a DS lite so cheap these days, and a used GBA SP for even less. Either one is a far more enjoyable platform and has more games than N-Gage likely ever will.

Now, Nintendo should release a gaming smartphone based on the DS. It's got to be an mp3 player as well, and have a megapixel camera. And it would sell like fucking crazy. The N-Gage would just be a footnote in its history. I mean, touch screen, two screens, nice pocket size... Make it quad-band GSM with EDGE and they can just print money.

N-Gage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17897042)

(Just an aside from an Anonymous Coward... I didn't really find that my N-Gage pulled me away from my other versions of gaming, but rather fit itself into corners where I would've been deathly bored, as I didn't have my usual loadout of hardware. A quiet moment on a train, standing in line for movie tickets, unexpectly boring classes, that kind of thing.

(My favorite feature of it was the nice extra series 60 apps which I turned out to use more than its telephony abilities; the WirelessIRC mobile irc client (which I could dial words at about 40WPM on, with text prediction) and ReadM, the fast and good ebook reader.)

I'd have to respectfully disagree with the reviewer's claims that the QD was a better version; it didn't have the aac/mp3 stereo hardware decoder that original N-Gage did, and the hotswappable MMC slot didn't really make up for that missing USB port and having the antenna pressed up against your skull while using it. ( :( brain tumors!))

Will N-Gage be able to pull me away from my DS? (1)

bendodge (998616) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897098)

No way! Never! It isn't possible! (probably cause I don't have a DS!)

railroad (1)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897434)

Am I the only one who sees "N-Gage" and thinks "N Gauge" as in model railroading?

Re:railroad (1)

taupin (1047372) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897804)

Yes.

*slap*

X-Play (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#17899704)

I've seen enough episodes of X-Play to see "N-Gage" and think of their version of Patrick Stewart.

Re:railroad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17899866)

No, you aren't. That what I always read until I saw the aforementioned Patrick Stewart "Engage!"

Hopeless. (4, Insightful)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897514)

It's not that someone couldn't develop a portable console that could compete with the Nintendo DS. It's that nobody seems to have the sense to do it right. Nokia doesn't have a history in game development, which is a huge deficiency if they intend on entering the console market. If they could establish a tight-knit relationship with some developer that may help, but that's very unlikely.

The fact that Nokia has mentioned they're looking to EA Mobile and Gameloft to develop games indicates that the N-Gage is already doomed. Let's ignore for a minute the fact that EA generally develops crap. Gameloft makes some good-looking games, but they don't always play well and too much of their line-up consists of licenses. The biggest issue here is that these companies both have experience with mobile phone game development. I doubt they have the skill set necessary to develop games on the level of what's seen for the DS or PSP. No one is likely to see the N-Gage as anything other than an overgrown mobile phone.

So Nokia will likely cram the N-Gage full of features. They'll give it the usual overdone Nokia design treatment that looks outdated within a weak. It won't appeal to their target and will likely confuse everyone else.

The problem ultimately is that the N-Gage is driven by a desire to cash in on what looks like a burgeoning market. It's driven by money. If their motivation was to do something that was truly compelling, if they had a goal of outdoing the competition I'd say they might have a chance. But instead, they're just doing what anyone else might have done, offering nothing new, and hoping buy on to this thing.

Re:Hopeless. (1)

hemorex (1013427) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897728)

Indeed, Gameloft did some of the nicer looking games for the N-Gage. Not so much the most entertaining. Yes, I'll admit it, not only do I own one, but I've actually enjoyed the damn thing. (It's a lot easier to sneak into work than a DS, that's for sure!) Of course, that doesn't make it any less doomed. But it'll have to do for me until OSS phones get down to the cheap side...

Re:Hopeless. (1)

meme lies (1050572) | more than 7 years ago | (#17898896)

It's not that someone couldn't develop a portable console that could compete with the Nintendo DS. It's that nobody seems to have the sense to do it right. Nokia doesn't have a history in game development, which is a huge deficiency if they intend on entering the console market. If they could establish a tight-knit relationship with some developer that may help, but that's very unlikely.

Everyone seems to miss a very obvious point... The N-Gage is not competing with the DS. It's a phone that plays games, not a game machine with a phone. It does not need to be a runaway success as a game machine, it only needs to survive in the cutthroat mobile phone market-- which is one thing Nokia does understand. "Success" will be measured by how many units are sold vs. similarly priced phones, and how many long-term contracts are sold.

 

Re:Hopeless. (1)

xwizbt (513040) | more than 7 years ago | (#17898986)

Ah, if only Apple could get off their asses and leave this damn fool 'phone' idea alone and focus on a good games machine with a 'phone' bit attached. Imagine... the market for people who carry a phone around *and* a games machine must be massive. Right?

Re:Hopeless. (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#17904094)

It's not that someone couldn't develop a portable console that could compete with the Nintendo DS. It's that nobody seems to have the sense to do it right.

Hey. The PSP may not be crushing Nintendo in the handheld market, and likely never will, but it IS at least competitive. Sony got it at least partially right there.

The biggest issue here is that [EA Mobile and Gameloft] both have experience with mobile phone game development. I doubt they have the skill set necessary to develop games on the level of what's seen for the DS or PSP.

I'm not so sure about that. They both have ties to full-sizeconsole/handheld developers, from whom they could presumably call in reinforcements if a more expansive gaming experience is called for. Gameloft (a subsidiary of Ubisoft) has even developed Gameboy Advance games in the past.

No one is likely to see the N-Gage as anything other than an overgrown mobile phone.

And that might be okay, if both Nokia and consumers accept it for what it is. Much like the Treo and Blackberry have carved out a niche for the phone that's also a PDA, or Apple's forthcoming phone that's also an iPod, there may be a market for a product that strikes a balance between mobile phone and gaming device.

One requisite, if the cell phone/handheld gaming platform is going to be a success, is networked play. What's the point of having a GPRS radio built into your game machine if the game isn't going to send and receive data over it?

Re:Hopeless. (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17904232)

The fact that Nokia has mentioned they're looking to EA Mobile and Gameloft to develop games indicates that the N-Gage is already doomed.

Correct. Nobody buys a console for Gameloft's games. The fact that they even had to mention them shows that they don't have any high-profile developers on the system, apart from EA. EA, by the way, already supported the original N-Gage (as did Gameloft), and it didn't help - maybe because their games were crap.

So basically, what Nokia is saying is, "We're trying the same thing again, with the same developers (minus some who jumped ship), but this time it will work."

Dude... No, it won't.

The real competition (0, Troll)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897650)

"Will a new N-Gage be able to pull you away from your DS?"

No, but what I'm wondering is if it can surpass the PSP. Who's the biggest loser?

Why Not? (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897766)

Nokia is a very profitable cell phone company. They can afford to take several cracks at this to get it right. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and bring something new to the market. They do make pretty good phones.

old news (1)

dunnoschmo (1060370) | more than 7 years ago | (#17897972)

i have no idea why this is being reported now. i've seen the new n-gage already, in fact, i saw it well over 6 months ago at e3 when they first unveiled it. Nokia had a large lounge where you could sit and play the new n-gage(s) (and the old one, ha), although i rarely ever saw anyone actually PLAYING the damn thing. contrary to popular belief, the new n-gage actually looks quite cool. they are a number of different models, but they actually look like cell phones this time around and have graphics that are better than the DS's but not quite as good as the PSP's. i think if they market it as a phone with advanced gaming capabilities this time rather than a gaming system that can also be a phone the n-gage can achieve some level of success.

Sidetalkin (1)

Sahtor (750624) | more than 7 years ago | (#17898338)

But does it feature sidetalkin [sidetalkin.com]

Thanks for the warning (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17898652)

Is this an announcement or a threat? I've seen wars started over less.

Why doesnt someone license the GBA (2, Interesting)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#17899592)

Nintendo has in the past licensing their technology to 3rd parties like the Twin Famicom (made by sharp) the iQue or more recently the Panasonic Q. Why doesnt some smart phone manufacturer license the tech from the GBA and put that on a phone. I have to admit if I was looking for a phone with gaming capability I would surely take one with literally thousands of games in its library over one that has a chance of support for maybe a dozen games.

Re:Why doesnt someone license the GBA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17900352)

Better yet, why not license the ideas you're talking about, and put them on a platform worth actually using like the N800? Touch screen, a control pad, and 4 buttons available. Plus it's becoming fairly mature and supports removable media. Plus it could play wireless LAN games via rendevous or internet games over something like Nintendo's service for the DS.

Silly Nokia, not even realizing what they already have.

Cool! (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17901016)

Whoa! I don't know about the DS, but this might be even cooler than the Gizmondo!

There will be no new N-Gage (3, Informative)

Enfors (519147) | more than 7 years ago | (#17901154)

There will be no new N-Gage phone. All future Nokia smartphones will however be compatible with the future N-Gage platform (it may not even end up being called N-Gage).

So, you won't have to own a special N-Gage phone. Any Nokia smartphone will be able to play these games. Bear in mind that Nokia sold 9 million (if memory serves) smartphones is 2005 alone. And some of the phones that are already being sold (such as the Nokia N93) will be able to play these games.

MP3-player sales are dropping, because everybody already has a cell phone that can play MP3s. Will the same happen to the PSP and Nintendo DS? Unlikely, but it's an interesting thought.

For more information: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/4685_N-Ga ge_Future_Watch_site_launc.php [allaboutsymbian.com] .

Vertical Screen = Potential (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910278)

One of the issues I think NGage had was that it had a cell phone screen on a gaming device. Portrait is great for information displays but not so great for gaming. My brother had one and I couldn't stand playing most of the games because it was too hard to see anything.

I remember thinking, "Oh, cool, Tomb Raider." Except it was a pain to play since I couldn't get a good look at my surroundings without facing the direction. He also had a Sonic game. You could either have bars on the top and bottom (like a letterbox movie) or play the game with the screen rotated. Sounds real comfortable, you know, navigating with a controller with a hand above the screen and jumping with controls under the screen.

The big disappointment for him was the lack of shooter games. It would have been the perfect platform for it. These are action oriented low-involvement games (if you've got a save feature) that would have separated themselves from the rest of the cell phone game world... which is a GOOD thing.

All those giants behind a new NGage... I'll bet we still won't even get 1943. T-T
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