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Wii Outsells PS3, Blue-ray Outsells HD DVD

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the fighting-for-their-place-in-rock-and-roll dept.

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njkid1, a regular contributor of GameDaily articles, passed us word that the Wii is handily outselling the PS3 in Japan. Famitsu parent company Enterbrain has figures showing that Nintendo sold 405,000 Wii units last month, while Sony sold 148,000 units of the PS3. While this is probably not something the folks at Sony are overjoyed about, they did have reason to crow this week. They've now announced that cumulative Blu-ray sales have passed the HD DVD format for the first time. Gamasutra has the word, from Sony itself, with some interesting supporting information. Most PS3 owners, it seems, have used their system to watch HD movies. Some full 80 percent plan to buy further HD titles in the future. This is further support for the VideoScan sales figures we discussed last week.

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and... (-1, Redundant)

Hsensei (1055922) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907532)

Water is wet, is this news?

Re:and... (2, Funny)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907618)

I, for one, am shocked.

-stormin

Wow? (3, Insightful)

realilskater (76030) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907652)

Is it really surprising that something that costs less than half the price of a PS3 and offers a completely new style of game play is selling more units?

Re:Wow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17907798)

Is it really surprising that something that costs less than half the price of a PS3 and offers a completely new style of game play is selling more units?

That really depends on who you ask ...

I read an article a few days ago that stated analysts still anticipated the Wii would only sell (slightly) more than the Gamecube did and the PS3 would control 75% of the market; at the same time ask many gamers "Which of the PS3, XBox 360 and Wii will you buy next" and I'm certain the Wii will be dominant in a question like that ...

Re:Wow? (4, Funny)

Weedlekin (836313) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908574)

"analysts still anticipated the Wii would only sell (slightly) more than the Gamecube did and the PS3 would control 75% of the market"

That's because analysts have demonstrated an ability to be wrong so often that it cannot be explained by probability alone, and must therefore be due to some sort of supernatural power that they posses.

Re:Wow? (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909958)

While that may be the case, this was not a majority or an overwhelmingly vocal theory among analysts. We heard a lot from both sides. Most game analysts were cautious, but some thought to use it to push their opinion and personal philosophy about the future of gaming, and now they're looking silly because of it... well, at least the Wii haters, that is.

Currently, things are pretty slow for both systems, as we're currently in the post-launch lull. So now, both sides of the isle are worried that their system is going to die. All of this is to be expected... with every console there's a 3-4 month lull after the launch window, and everyone is screaming that their console is going to die unless they get some good games fast. Just go to the Nintendo forums, and you'll see a bunch of piss-ants crying about how the Wii is going to die now that there are "no good new games"... yeah, whatever. I'm sure the same is happening on the PS3 end of things, although the PS3 camp is a little more on the defensive right now, and probably won't outwardly say those kindsa things.

Can you trade/rent games for PS3? (1, Interesting)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907680)

Some old slashdot post said it was illegal. Is there any truth to this?

Re:Can you trade/rent games for PS3? (4, Informative)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907948)

http://www.gamefly.com/member/ [gamefly.com]

GameFly thinks it's legal. I'm guessing their legal department made sure of it, first.

Re:Can you trade/rent games for PS3? (1)

Prien715 (251944) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908976)

Renting games (for any console) is illegal in Japan, so you may have just misread the country.

Re:Can you trade/rent games for PS3? (1)

crabbz (986605) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909658)

My local video rental shop is renting PS3 titles now.

It makes sense (4, Interesting)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907700)

Given that there are no games to play on the PS3, it makes complete sense that people would be watching movies on it instead. There really has been nothing to push HD-DVD that much so I'm not surprised that Blu-Ray is winning in terms of sales. However, that may change as soon as less-expensive players are released that have more functionality, etc.

In any case, those sales numbers are probably too small right now to bring them any significant returns. I'd wait a year or two before considering whether Sony made a mistake with Blu-Ray or not.

Re:It makes sense (1)

goodenoughnickname (874664) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907780)

See: PSP and UMD.

Re:It makes sense (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909714)

And CD and 8MM video tape.

Re:It makes sense (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908174)

n any case, those sales numbers are probably too small right now to bring them any significant returns. I see articles every week saying BluRay is outselling HDDVD, or the other way around, they say that 80% of sales were BluRay, but they don't make any announcements about how many sales there were. I would like to know how many people are actually buying these discs, and I don't want units shipped. I would really like to know the number of people interested in BluRay/HDDVD. As it stands right now, I know absolutely nobody with a BluRay or HDDVD player (including a PS3). I also don't know anybody who is looking into buying one.

Pretty much history repeating itself... (2, Interesting)

rsmoody (791160) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907722)

Just like DVD, most people's first DVD player was a PS2. I was not one of them, I had a standalone DVD player a long time before the PS2 came out and found myself quite disappointed with the DVD playback of the PS2 in terms of quality and usability/controllability. I will not be buying a PS3 anytime soon and do not have a HDTV to see the difference even if I did get one so I would not be buying BlueRay movies. I think that more than anything, this is curiosity since they have the console and have the capability, the games are not so new now, they need to try something new with this $600 piece of hardware to give it some worth. I for one would like to know the sales numbers for standalone next-gen DVD players and/or the stats on people buying BlueRay movies who do not have a PS3. In terms of the format war, BlueRay has still not won but probably will as the combo players hit production given the momentum that this is putting behind it. I personally still feel that BOTH formats are losers and am not interested in either. When and IF I am ever able to afford a HDTV, I will not be able to afford a $500-$1000 DVD player to go along with it. Besides, I will be so excited to have a larger and wide-format screen that the wow will be there for a long time after. Perhaps by the time the upgrade wow has worn off, the combo players will be affordable, but I highly doubt that will happen for about another 3-5 years (the afford ability that is). Just like always, my .02.

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17907816)

Just like DVD, most people's first DVD player was a PS2.

Sorry, but that's clearly false.

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1)

c00rdb (945666) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907954)

It might be false, but how is it obviously false? My first DVD player was a PS2 and the same is true of many people I know.

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908236)

Take the group you have for reference, are they gamers?

Out of all the people I now 100% own computers so that means everyone in the world owns a computer, right?

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1)

c00rdb (945666) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908482)

Nice try, but that's not what I said at all. As a matter of fact you are the one guilty of this logic. All I said is that it COULD be true. I guess if 100% of people I know have a brain, it is not POSSIBLE that everyone in the world has a brain because I am using flawed logic. All I said is that it was possible. Peace.

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17908760)

It's Un-Possible! If 90 million households have DVD players and 30 million PS2's have been sold then at least 60 million households had a DVD player before a PS2.

60 million > 30 million.

It's Un-Possible!

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909036)

"Just like DVD, most people's first DVD player was a PS2. "

"All I said is that it COULD be true."
You presented it as a fact. I'm not sure what you mean by "Just like DVD", at the beginning of the statement but nowhere in your post did you come close to saying that your statement on the PS2 as first DVD player for most people was a guess or based on no factual evidence or research.

Look, rather than arguing over semantics, let's talk about the statement. Why do you believe that the PS2 was the first DVD player for most? Do you have any data to back that statement up?

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1)

c00rdb (945666) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909252)

If you looked at the names for your two quotes, you'd realize that only the second statement was written by me. Perhaps a better statement would have been: most PS2 owners I know also used it as their first DVD player.

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910594)

AH! You are correct. I apologize. I do not have a good excuse for my mistake. I am a horse's ass.

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909764)

My first DVD player was a DVD player for my computer that had a decoder card to go with it. It cost me $79. The card was a HollywoodPlus or something like that.
About a year later, my local grocery store had a pallet of DVD players with 5 free movies. The DVD player was $200 which was the cheapest then. That was my first stand alone player and I still have it.

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (4, Informative)

sirwired (27582) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908222)

Just like DVD, most people's first DVD player was a PS2.

Where on earth did you come up with THAT? The PS2 was a good-selling console, but it didn't sell THAT well. According to the SanJose Mercury News, lifetime sales for the PS2 in the U.S., as of the end of 2006, was 37.1 million. According to Nielsen, DVD currently has 80% market penetration, and there are approx. 113M U.S. households. (according to the Census), meaning that 90.4M U.S. households have a DVD player. An unknown number of those may have purchased a PS2 AFTER they bought a DVD player. (That was the case in my house.)

Maybe for the households that bought a PS2, it is possible (but not certain) that "most" of them had it as their first player, but that does not translate to the U.S. market overall.

SirWired

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (0, Troll)

arodland (127775) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909134)

You're also not accounting for quite a few serious gamers who are on their third PS2 because the drives on the first two died :)

Re:Pretty much history repeating itself... (1)

Steve525 (236741) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908238)

Just like DVD, most people's first DVD player was a PS2.

There were certainly many people for which this was true, but I wouldn't go as far as to say it was true for most people. Perhaps a more accurate statement would be that many of the people who bought the first PS2s used it also as their first DVD player, particularly in Japan where it came out earlier (and had fewer games). By the time you could easily get a PS2 (ie. after the 2000 Christmas season in the states) DVD players were already pretty commonplace. I only know of one of my friends who used his PS2 as his primary DVD player (and he still does, in fact).

With DVD players and the PS2, DVDs were already fairly well established. Certainly not everyone had one yet, but the writing was on the wall. The timing with the PS3 is a little different. Who knows what is going to happen with Blu-ray, HD-DVD, etc.? In the PS2 case, Sony used the DVD playing capability to entice people to buy the PS2. In the PS3, things are switched. Sony is primarily using the PS3 as a means to entice people to choose the Blu-ray format.

1,000,000 + PS3 systems (5, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907724)

Obviously Blu-Ray has started to sell well after 1,000,000+ Blu-Ray enabled PS3 units ... The question I have is if Blu-Ray will continue to sell well over the next few months ...

I really don't know, but I suspect that a lot of people who bought a PS3 to play games might have bought 1 or 2 Blu-Ray movies simply because they wanted to try the drive out; being that there are few places that currently rent Blu-Ray/HD-DVD movies buying them is the only option for a lot of people. In contrast, I suspect that anyone who has bought any HD-DVD player is likely a movie collector and will buy 1-2 movies every week (or two) for the next couple of years. The question is how big of an impact 1 PS3 will make towards sales as compared to one stand alone HD-DVD player.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907932)

Yeah, cause those 1M+ suckers got their PS3 cause of the games. Har, Har, Har.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (0)

psychrono (1030230) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908336)

Sarcasm aside, I think you're right. Everyone I know that has a PS3 (not many, including word of mouth) don't even use it anymore... it just sits in their house collecting dust. This is probably due to the fact that there has been no games that just make people say "whoa" for the PS3, but for the Wii however, I have been hearing constant things about new and upcoming games; such as the new Mario Party and the new DDR implementation that just began development recently. The logical thing for people to do is try and make use of their $600+ investment in the PS3 already, so they are seeing if the Blu-Ray drive is worth the effort... who knows, it just might make it in the long run, but I personally don't see the PS3 saving itself with just Blu-Ray movies unless some good games start arriving. We all know how the movies for PSP turned out.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (3, Informative)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910162)

They probably got it for the games they expected the system to accumulate. Many people seem to think that games that were exclusive to the PS2 will automatically have their sequels exclusive to the PS3.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907978)

Obviously Blu-Ray has started to sell well after 1,000,000+ Blu-Ray enabled PS3 units ... The question I have is if Blu-Ray will continue to sell well over the next few months ...

The first 400,000 PS3 units came with a coupon for a free movie (ricky bobby.) The FA even alludes to this fact:

"This high percentage is likely helped by the bundled Talladega Nights Blu-ray disc with the first 500,000 units of PlayStation 3. But even apart from that, 80 percent of those surveyed plan to purchase further Blu-ray movies, while 72 percent of respondents stated that they plan to rent a Blu-ray movie in the near future."

(That was <p><em> ... why can't slashdot let us have <q> like any sane site? HTML has these tags for a reason.)

The question is, where were these people surveyed? Were they checking on them in a video rental store, or in wally world, or in a video-game store like funcoland or gamestop? Or was it a web survey? Inquiring minds need to know to determine if these statistics have any relation to reality.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908180)

If this data is comming from a survey I took a while ago which had similar questions, it was a web survey that gets emailed to you when you create a playstation network account with the PS3.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

shimage (954282) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908246)

If you're going to separate it into its own block, why not use <blockquote><p> instead?

Like so.

The way I understand it, <q> tags typically just insert quotation marks anyway.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908762)

The way I understand it, tags typically just insert quotation marks anyway.

A q tag is an element, like a paragraph, that is intended for quotations. It separates presentation from content. Users can cause their browser to render it in other ways.

Blockquote works only on block elements like p. It's intended for quoting blocks. But what slashdot has done with it is force it to remove all text formatting, so if I have an italic block inside of a blockquote, it appears without italics. So when I quote your text, I cannot preserve formatting. Thus if the source quote contains say some bold text, and I would like to include that, I can not use a blockquote.

Blockquote is the appropriate mechanism for quoting text in a reply, but it is utterly unsuitable for quoting text from an article. Slashdot's forced formatting of the blockquote has removed our freedom to create comments that make sense.

Anyway, the proper way in HTML to make a citation is blockquote filled with Ps (or similar) for multi-paragraph quotes, and to use a Q for an inline quote. But slashdot has never been into doing things the right way.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

crabbz (986605) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909798)

The first 400,000 PS3 units came with a coupon for a free movie (ricky bobby.) The FA even alludes to this fact:
Actually they came with the ricky bobby disc in the box. There was no coupon for a free movie.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910226)

Thanks! I couldn't find any information either way (not that I looked very long) and read something that implied it was a coupon. I sit corrected.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909824)

The other poster is correct, the HTML spec says the q tag will 'render with delimiting quotation marks'. You might as well just type them.

Or... You could use Slashdot's quote tag. It cleverly tells you about it below the submit button on every reply page.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909842)

why can't slashdot let us have like any sane site? HTML has these tags for a reason.

And that reason is that the HTML spec developers thought that document authors would want to give more than half a second's consideration to the semantic structure of a document as it was being authored. Sadly, the WYSIWYG paradigm had already taken root, and authors found it easier to use the same vanilla quote marks they'd been typing in word processors for fifteen years than to learn about and use inline "q" tags.

Re:1,000,000 + PS3 systems (1)

Mercano (826132) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909496)

Netflix has BluRay and HDDVD discs.

yeah? (0, Offtopic)

uglydog (944971) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907742)

i outsold your mom

Re:yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17907918)

That's because you have a better pimp.

Loss Leader (1)

Dorceon (928997) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907778)

Apparently being a loss leader for the PS3 software format isn't working out. I wonder if people who are into Blu-Ray buy enough movies to make a PS3 a good loss leader for that. Maybe Sony needs to make a $450 Blu-Ray player that they lose money on, but not as much as they lose on the PS3. (Or one that breaks even for them.)

PS3 sales still artifically low (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907810)

Yes there are units in stores now.

However, PS3 sales are still somewhat lower than they could be, as evidenced by the lack of shipping units on Amazon. Any time Amazon gets a number of them to sell, sales surge - in-between that, third-party sellers list units for about $100 more.

That said even if there were wide availability of the console the Wii would probably outsell it just because it's a lot cheaper. An interesting place to keep track is here [eproductwars.com] (look at core system sales lower in the page), though as noted the figures are a little unrealistic because they are based on Amazon sales.

Re:PS3 sales still artifically low (3, Informative)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907950)

bullshit, the PS3 is sitting on store shelves, anyone who wants one can get one at MSRP

Re:PS3 sales still artifically low (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908298)

bullshit, the PS3 is sitting on store shelves, anyone who wants one can get one at MSRP

Actually, even though the Wii is hard to find, I saw two Wii consoles on sale at a small GameStop [gamestop.com] store just one block from Northgate Mall in Seattle, as well as the usual stack of PS3 consoles. So you can buy them, at least as of Sunday afternoon. Both consoles.

Re:PS3 sales still artifically low (2, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908312)

They currently have 11 units online at futureshop [futureshop.ca] . I've been watching it for the past couple weeks, and sometimes they are sold out, but it's not hard to get one if you check a couple times a day.

Re:PS3 sales still artifically low (1)

ArtDent (83554) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909206)

Interestingly, in the 50 minutes since you pointed this out, they've sold 2 units.

When I bought my Wii from Future Shop (using Wii Finder Canada & Check4Change, as described here [slashdot.org] , they sold out of 100 units in just under 2 minutes.

I think that's a pretty meaningful comparison of demand, right there.

Re:PS3 sales still artifically low (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908322)

Wow, there are enough people in North America whose interest in the PS3 is just high enough that they're willing to wait to buy it at a discount without sales tax. That's a powerful testament to the popularity of the platform you got there, mister.

There are also people paying more (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910098)

PS3's also continue to sell on Amazon at $100 above list as well (since that's they only way you can buy them yet PS3's are still in the sales ranks). A lot of people prefer to go through online retailers they like for things.

Re:PS3 sales still artifically low (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908442)

However, PS3 sales are still somewhat lower than they could be, as evidenced by the lack of shipping units on Amazon. Any time Amazon gets a number of them to sell, sales surge - in-between that, third-party sellers list units for about $100 more.

It might be in short supply on amazon, but there's still other online stores who carry it at retail price:

http://ps3finder.com/ [ps3finder.com]

At the moment, you can by the retail box at Gamestop.com and circuitcity.com, and bundles at several other stores.

Re:PS3 sales still artifically low (1)

scot4875 (542869) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910622)

However, PS3 sales are still somewhat lower than they could be

And this is different than the Wii's short supply ... how, exactly?

--Jeremy

Bluray? (2, Insightful)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907842)

I'm skeptical about those Blu-ray stats...just like the numbers that the MPAA cited for Canadian piracy (see /. post for Michael Geist from a few days ago).

Plus PS3 has that blinking issue...maybe good for "3D" movies (ref to old vid cards that came with "special" LCD glasses).

Re:Bluray? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17908172)

Yeah ... the PS3 has a "blinking issue" about the same as the Wii has a "stap issue". ... be a shame if your controller went through that nice TV set of yours.

Re:Bluray? (1)

Thraxen (455388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908806)

That "blinking issue" only affected small number of TVs. I own a PS3 and have never seen it. I also haven't bought any BR movies, but I have rented several via NetFlix.

Re:Bluray? (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910474)

I don't own a PS3 but I do have a TV that is affected by it (someone brought a PS3 to the lanparty....it blinked plus couldn't play DDR so it went back into it's box...and we Wii'ed for hours.)

No blinking on 360 with HDMI? (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909102)

Plus PS3 has that blinking issue...maybe good for "3D" movies (ref to old vid cards that came with "special" LCD glasses).

The blinking issue that only people with 1080p televisions using HDMI have? Right, well apparently the problem is really HDCP handshaking [xbox-scene.com] and not the PS3 or the TV necessarily, and how does your 360 look with HDMI? Oh right, it doesn't have that yet. I bet you can buy a $200 add-on for it though, or just a whole new console [engadget.com] in 6 months. But believe the hype, the $400 360 has so much more over the $600 PS3/Bluray player!

Re:No blinking on 360 with HDMI? (1)

Thraxen (455388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909240)

Actually, my 360 running at 1080p via component has picture quality that is just as good as my PS3 running at 1080p via HDMI. Imagine that.

Re:No blinking on 360 with HDMI? (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910414)

without the blinking too! :D

Apples and Oranges (4, Insightful)

baptiste (256004) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907922)

While they are both game consoles, there is a big price differential between a Wii and a PS3. It makes sense that the Wii would sell more units. While it has a nifty controller, power wise it's on par with the PS2 which sold like gangbusters this past holiday season. Compare it to those numbers for a telling look.

Re:Apples and Oranges (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908802)

If the Wii and the PS3 are not a valid comparison, I don't see how the PS2 and Wii is any better. One is many years into its lifespan and has hundreds of games available. The other is just a couple months old and is selling faster than they can be manufactured. One has a tried and true tradition control scheme, the other has a new and very different control mechanism that nobody's familiar with. While the Wii certainly does not try to be the number crunching powerhouse that the PS3 is aiming for, saying that it's equal to the PS2 in terms of hardware is going a little too far. My Gamecube can certainly match the PS2, and even if the Wii is just 1.5 gamecubes in terms of numbers, that still puts it comfortably ahead of the PS2.

Price certainly helps the Wii, but people won't pay $250 for something that they view as a piece of crap. And at the same time, there are plenty of people who will pay significantly more for something that they perceive as better than the alternatives (witness the ipod).

So, why isn't the comparison of the Wii to the PS3 to the Xbox 360 worthwhile to you? The next 5 or so years of living room gaming is all about those three consoles. What does comparing any of the new systems to the PS2 tell you that's useful?

Re:Apples and Oranges (2, Insightful)

antifood (898331) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908830)

Power wise it is much better than a PS2. However, you will not notice this fact going off the PS2 ports Ubisoft is shoveling onto the Wii.

Re:Apples and Oranges (2, Informative)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908928)

power wise it's on par with the PS2

Dude, by now everybody knows that the PS2 had the worst hardware of last gen. Even Gamecube was better and Wii is twice as powerful as that.

Re:Apples and Oranges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17909716)

Correct,
Last Gen was Xbox > Gamecube > PS2, in terms of graphical horsepower.
With Wii being about 2x the performance as GC, they will be able to push out some excellent looking games in a year or so. The Wii will be able to add some more eye candy because of the fact it only runs at 480p max.

Opinion (2, Interesting)

4g1vn (840279) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908020)

I believe that the Wii, PS3, and 360 all have their respctive places in the video game industry. Wii: Great for a different experience, easy for eveyone to pick up and play, awesome for it's Virtual Console (my favorite part). PS3: Blu-ray player is a bargin, HDMI out, cheap downloadable games. 360: Decent libary, XBOX live is a great social sceen, quality controllers. BTW, I have the PS3 and Wii and love them both.

Re:Opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17909610)

Maybe you should spend a little less time playing video games, and, oh, I don't know, try taking an English class.

More Gas in the Fire (1)

FFFFHALTFFFF (996601) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908052)

Well, Wii seems ready to get the top. With the brand new Mod Chip I think the sales will increase a lot.

Re:More Gas in the Fire (1)

PyroMosh (287149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909938)

You think it will make any signifigant difference? What is "a lot"? They already sell them as fast as they make them, what difference do you see a mod chip making?

"the word, from Sony itself" (2, Interesting)

Megajim (885529) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908060)

Does anyone really think that Sony would claim anything else? The article itself says that "this high percentage is likely helped by the bundled Talladega Nights Blu-ray disc with the first 500,000 units of PlayStation 3." I understand that the study itself is not from Sony, but from Nielsen VideoScan. Still, it's way too early to declare anything close to a winner, considering how many people actually own the proper displays (particularly in the US, but I bet the Super Bowl made a big impact on HDTV sales). Show me stats in another six months, as I'll bet that a lot of the PS3 owners who bought Blu-ray movies at a 2:1 rate over HD-DVD might have done just that - they bought two movies, maybe along with two PS3 games, just to try it out (as HappySqurriel says above). If all 360s came with a HD-DVD drive (and they most likely will sometime this year), maybe those people would have done the same thing, and we would (and probably will) see a different ratio. Meanwhile, stand-alone HD-DVD players are a better deal than stand-alone Blu-ray players, and it won't be long before Toshiba lowers the price on those units yet again, so perhaps the overall PS3 impact on the format war won't be a deathblow to HD-DVD (not that I own either format at this point).

Re:"the word, from Sony itself" (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908250)

The article itself says that "this high percentage is likely helped by the bundled Talladega Nights Blu-ray disc with the first 500,000 units of PlayStation 3."

Exactly. Think about this - if every PS3 shipped included a Blu-Ray DVD movie, then their numbers would automatically be higher than the HD-DVD, since neither the 360 nor the Wii ship with HD-DVD, nor do they ship with any movies at all.

But, as a corallory, don't believe the numbers about Wii Sports being such a big seller in the US, since it was bundled with the Wii here, even though it's a separate game in Japan. Even if it is a very fun game.

Analysis at the Wall Street Journal [wsj.com] (expensive subscription required) shows that HD-DVD units are selling faster worldwide than Blu-Ray units, even with the bundled Blu-Ray player in the PS3. So don't believe the numbers until you think them thru.

I for one (Wii) (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908152)

I for one welcome our Wii-enabled Wiimote-wielding Nunchuk-shaking Nintendo [nintendo.com] overlords and can't wait to see Spore on the Wii as well as the Nintendo DS.

Now, when do I get my Wiimote-enabled light saber game from the Star Wars franchise, so that I can make a YouTube video of my 1337 skilz?

Opinion (spellcheck version) ;) (1)

4g1vn (840279) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908278)

I believe that the Wii, PS3, and 360 all have their respective places in the video game industry. Wii: Great for a different experience, easy for everyone to pick up and play, awesome for it's Virtual Console (my favorite part). PS3: Blu-ray player is a bargain, HDMI out, cheap downloadable games. 360: Decent library, XBOX live is a great social scene, quality controllers. BTW, I have the PS3 and Wii and love them both.

It really is true... (2, Interesting)

thousandinone (918319) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908288)

My local Best Buy store has PS3s sitting on its shelf, and has had them in stock for some time now. On the other hand, there are people camping outside of the store every day now hoping that they will get Wiis in stock on that day... Some of these mornings we've had wind chill factors of -5 F or lower. I may be giving people in my area the benefit of the doubt in this, but I don't think this has to do with the console being cheaper; this behavior is not a symptom of being 'cheap' as far as I know.

It is worth noting... (2, Informative)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908318)

.. that PS3's come with vouchers for discounts on Blu-Ray movies. A surge in sales is no suprise.

What is left to be seen is if Blu-Ray can hold onto the market of gamers just "giving HD movies a try."

What weird numbers. (1)

Nananine (967931) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908350)

From the article: "According to Nielsen VideoScan, the consumer research firm for the VHS and DVD sell-through industry, in addition to an overall lead in sales to date, Blu-ray movies outsold those released for the HD-DVD format by more than a 2-to-1 margin during the first week of January. This equates to 47.14 HD DVD titles sold for every 100 Blu-ray titles.

The report also found that Blu-ray titles outsold HD-DVD releases by nearly a 3-to-1 margin during January's second week, with 38.36 HD-DVD titles sold for every 100 Blu-ray releases."

What the...

So Blu-Ray has surpassed HD-DVD in cumulative sales for the first time. So that means they're selling more, but we don't know by how much. Also, they're touting the fact that Blu-Ray outsold HD-DVD in the first two weeks of January? What kind of weird stats are those?

Novelty: will wear off (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908388)

People are buying PS3-s. More PS3-s than HD-DVD players. Because it's a Playstation.

It makes sense for their investment (they can't choose, as with XBOX360), they'll buy at least one BR movie to try out "what it's about".

But once the novelty wears off, one thing remains absolute: BR movies have worse DRM and way worse prices than plain DVDs, and only a little benefit in value (namely, higher resolution).

I'm not trying to spin this as if Sony's success with Blu-Ray is fake, as there isn't any real reason for HD-DVD to take off either.

I'm just saying: not so fast.

Observed DRM the same (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910188)

But once the novelty wears off, one thing remains absolute: BR movies have worse DRM and way worse prices than plain DVDs, and only a little benefit in value (namely, higher resolution).

Look at this from the standpoint of 90% of the market.

WHat do they do with a DVD? They take the disc, and put it in a player.

What do they do with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray? They take the disc, they put it in a player.

You forget that normal CD's have pretty onerous DRM as well. But it's accepted because most people never see the limitations being imposed on them. The same is true of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD - the restrictions are invisible to normal users of the product.

As for the jump in quality, the jump is actually quite huge and I've had a number of non-videophile friends remark how awesome HD movies are once they get HD-TV sets. To them there is a world of difference, and this alone has led a number of people around the office into buying a PS3, whcich they are very happy with (though some of them wish for more games, that problem should be resolved in six months or so).

Re:Observed DRM the same (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910514)

You forget that normal CD's have pretty onerous DRM as well

You call raw PCM data "onerous DRM"

My how times have changed. (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908444)

One thing that really makes me chuckle is how PS3 supporters have changed their line in the last few months from "Sony will sell not matter what. Look at the PS2 they have the brand that people go to for gaming." Now that the sky has started to fall they have changed their tune "Oh well of course the PS3 will sell slower because its more expensive." This is what everybody has been saying the whole time! The brand is not enough to sell a machine that is way out of most peoples budget- atleast for a gaming system. And yes I know the battle has just begun but if they don't start to reevaluate their competition I see Sony as the Nintendo of the last gen.

Dead cat bounce (4, Insightful)

Generic Guy (678542) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908528)

Even a dead cat will bounce once on its way down.

The common perception about the VideoScan numbers is that a lot of PS3 owners used their "free Blu-ray movie" coupon, boosting 'sales' after Christmas. Especially since there doesn't seem to be anything else available worth doing on the PS3 device right now. This is in addition to a rather dry HD-DVD lineup in January. Let's remember, the first two weeks in January after Christmas doesn't necessarily set a trend.

The VideoScan numbers for the third week in January, not reported in the article, already show Blu-Ray slumping down again, compared to HD-DVD.

All this sounds vaguely similar to the narrowly-defined "Zune leads 30GB music player market in first two days of sales" reports we saw a few weeks ago. Much ado about nothing.

Re:Dead cat bounce (2, Insightful)

Thraxen (455388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909046)

But the comparison to the Zune isn't exactly sound. Zune is the system, BR movies are the software. I'm sure the surge at the start of January is due largely to the coupons, but there's no reason to believe that many of these people won't pick up BR movies in the future. The fact that the coupons alone were able to propel BR past HD-DVD in total sales is rather telling of the fact that HD-DVD is hardly leaving BR in the dust... not even close. At one point I was pretty certain HD-DVD would win out, but I'm not so sure anymore. In the long run Sony's plan may actually work out.

Trend, not a bounce (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910070)

Take a look at the longer term trends [eproductwars.com] - Blu-Ray is not catching up through any bounce, but from real and steady growth in movies and in players.

These are numbers that show Blu-Ray consistently on top, for almost a month now - and continuing to grow. Don't forget the coupon still required you to spend money, it was not a "free" movie - and anyone even using that coupon is likley to buy more titles as well since they have it rigged up to play movies.

The only people who really know how well either format are doing though I think is Netflix - that's the first place HD-DVD or Blu-Ray owners would turn, buying movies slowly as they found ones they like.

Re:Dead cat bounce (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910570)

Even a dead cat will bounce once on its way down.


This might be my favorite quote i've heard on /.

No duh? (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908600)

* Most PS3 owners have used the system to watch Blueray movies.

I hope so, especially seeing that the US PS3 came with a free copy of Talladega Nights.

* 80% of PS3 owners plan on buying/watching Blueray dvd's in the future.

No duh? I hate to sound sarcastic here, but what's the sense in buying a $600 piece of hardware if you don't plan on using all the features. Everybody watches DVDs these days. I imagine if I had a BlueRay DVD player sitting there, I'd plan on buying/watching at bare minimum my FAVORITE movies on that format instead of regular DVD. I'd venture the people who said no were those who don't have an HDtv...which makes me wonder why the heck they're even being early adopters seeing that they can't even make use of the HD graphics. That's like insisting on having the best hifi audio rig possible when you wear hearing aids.

Most PS3 owners watch Blueray movies. (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908904)

80% of PS3 owners plan on buying/watching Blueray dvd's in the future

That still seems low. If the player's already there, why wouldn't you want to pick up a at least few Blu-Ray disks? Even as a novelty.

the US PS3 came with a free copy of Talladega Nights.

Ah, that explains it.

Re: Most PS3 owners watch Blueray movies. (1)

Thraxen (455388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909124)

If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit to buying BR over DVD. Well, unless you have an audio system capable of 5.1 or 7.1 PCM audio, but those people likely do have HDTVs. Anyway, if anything, I'm a bit surprised that the number is that high... it's definitely not too low.

And, for the record, not every US PS3 came with Talladega Nights. Mine didn't. Unless I just got ripped off.

Re: Most PS3 owners watch Blueray movies. (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909598)

Possibly it was just the initial wave of PS3's or only the 60gb models. The movie was included in the box with my friends launch day PS3.

Re: Most PS3 owners watch Blueray movies. (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909702)

The benefit is if you do buy an HDTV in the future, you'll have a movie that will make it (somewhat) worth buying. as apposed to buying it then.. why buy it on DVD when you can buy it (and watch it currently) on BluRay/HD-DVD, and be somewhat more future proof (or so goes the saying, if Blu Ray or HD-DVD dies then you can at least still watch them on your player, until it dies too)

Re: Most PS3 owners watch Blueray movies. (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909840)

If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit to buying BR over DVD.

Then why would these people be early adopters of the PS3? I do agree with your statement however, and I'll go you one further.

"If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit (Graphically) to buying a PS3 (or a 360) over an Original X-Box."

Try it sometime. Take a game like Call of Duty 3 (which is on pretty much everything) and run it on a PS3 in 480i with the low-def composite cables it came with. Now run the Call of Duty 3 for the original X-box (you could get for $100) in 480i and see how that looks.

Re: Most PS3 owners watch Blueray movies. (1)

Thraxen (455388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910524)

I haven't tried that, but I would imagine the difference in polys alone would still be noticeable. DVD vs BR movies pretty much are just a difference in resolution when it comes to video display. Games are different. The difference in polys, textures, lighting, etc.. should all still be apparent to a degree even at lower resolutions. On the flip side is true as well... look at a game like Halo 2 that gets scaled up to 720p on the 360. Sure, it looks a bit nicer scaled up, but it doesn't look any where near as good as games like GoW or R6LV that were designed for the 360.

Re: Most PS3 owners watch Blueray movies. (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910688)

No, go rent (or buy) Ninja Gaiden Black and hook your Xbox up with component cables. Game looks as good or better than any next gen game i've seen (I haven't seen gears in action yet :P)

Dear Wii Fanbois (0, Troll)

benzapp (464105) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908936)

Can someone please name ONE game that the Wii has that is worth playing? I considered getting the latest Zelda game and a Wii, but it was the only game worth getting it seemed. So, I just got the gamecube version.

I just don't see why the Wii is any better than the gamecube.

Re:Dear Wii Fanbois (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909196)

Can someone please name ONE game that the Wii has that is worth playing?

Just one? Rayman Raving Rabbits, WiiSports (it even comes with it), WarioWare, ExciteTruck (it's fun and better with an all Offspring custom soundtrack.) Madden is hella fun as well. The motion controls really add to it. Also if it tickles your fancy there are around 50 VC games available (including Zelda: a Link to the Past, Contra III, Gunstar Heroes, Mario Kart 64...).

I just don't see why the Wii is any better than the gamecube.

Um... Have you tried a Wii?

Re:Dear Wii Fanbois (1)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909424)

I would add Elebits to the list. I know it has received mixed reviews but I've really enjoyed it. I think so far it has the best feeling FPS controls and some great gravity gun style action.
The one downside is that frame rates drop pretty bad in the later levels when you start throwing cars around. That - and if kiddie graphics and story turn you off you might have a hard time enjoying it.

Zelda (1)

paladinwannabe2 (889776) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909654)

Zelda is excellent, Wii Sports and Raving Rabbids are great, but work better if you have friends to play them with. It really is the party games that make the Wii fun- Zelda works well on the GameCube, so there's no need to upgrade if you're playing by yourself.

Re:Dear Wii Fanbois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17909778)

I don't own a Wii specifically because I'm waiting for a more robust lineup of games, but I can tell you without any reservations that Wii Sports is wicked good.

Re:Dear Wii Fanbois (4, Funny)

fo0bar (261207) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909814)

Can someone please name ONE game that the Wii has that is worth playing?
There's that "Wii" game where you go out and try to buy a Wii. It was relatively easy for the first level (I beat the game in one overnight sitting, didn't even take a week or anything), but the game got WAY harder the longer you played. I've heard there are people out there that have STILL not beat the end boss.

The "PS3" game on the other hand is the opposite. For those who could afford triple the game price, the first few levels were EXTREMELY hard. Then it got incredibly easy, but by those levels people realized the gameplay was crap and stopped playing altogether.

Re:Dear Wii Fanbois (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910100)

Can someone please name ONE game that the Wii has that is worth playing?

Wii Sports.

Don't let the simplistic Fisher-Price-looking avatars turn you off, there's a truly addictive fun-ness to it.

Any more brain busters?

Re:Dear Wii Fanbois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17910560)

Wii Sports. I thought for sure it would be a throwaway when I got my Wii. My wife even scoffed at it and wanted me to buy a second game when I picked up the Wii. However, after we got it home and played we've discovered that Wii Sports provides some extremely addictive gameplay. To be honest, it gets played almost every night. My wife no longer scoffs.

I'll give a few extras as well, Rayman Raving Rabbids is a blast. Though it really shines when playing with multiple people. The VC is a blast as well, one of my favorite aspects of the console. Though I understand not bothering with it if you own the old systems still. I, however, don't, and so I have enjoyed Gunstar Heroes greatly. I also plan to pick up Mario Kart 64 and Super Mario World in the next week or two. So, yeah - I think there are plenty of Wii games out. Certainly enough to justify the $250 to get your hands on one (assuming your local stores have any stock).

Hype Train (3, Insightful)

Intangible Fact (1001781) | more than 7 years ago | (#17909528)

Ive posted some bias comments about the Nintendo Wii on Slashdot and Joystiq. Heres my chance to redeem myself. When a new technology comes out there is one thing that will help it stay and its called "Mass Appeal". The new technology has to find a way to reach the masses and be the next long lasting technological trend (such as vhs,dvd,mp3,joysticks). The Wii comes off to the general public as a family party game or something to help them exercise. Hardcore gamers are very different from the casual gamer. Casual gamers tend to not have the type of loyalty as the hardcore. When something new comes out people tend to jump on the hype train. Once that cool feeling wears off the casual gamer looks for something new to fulfill that high. The Wii will have a hard time staying on top once the casual gamer gets tired of the same old party games. It all depends on how long that hype lasts.
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