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Manhunt 2 Confirmed for Wii

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the that's-sick dept.

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Of all the licenses I expected to see on the Wii, the ultra-violent Manhunt title was not one of them. Coming to the 'next-gen alternative' trifecta of PSP, PS2, and Wii this summer is Manhunt 2 (not to be confused with the Sierra Manhunter adventure game series). The followup to the violent Rockstar title from 2003 will 'push game design and storytelling forward', sticking close to the original's dark suspense/stealth motifs.

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Screenshot looked creepy (3, Funny)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918038)

The thumbnail I saw of a screenshot of it looked rather creepy.

I'm holding out for Maneater 2

Re:Screenshot looked creepy (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17923220)

I'm holding out for Maneater 2

I think that series is already up to about episode 93, but I'm pretty sure it's on video, not a video game...

they mean... (5, Funny)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918218)

The followup to the violent Rockstar title from 2003 will 'push game design and storytelling forward'

And by "push game design and storytelling forward", they mean "piss off Jack Thompson".

Re:they mean... (2, Insightful)

DarkGreenNight (647707) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918634)

And probably also pissing gamers if it's like the first part. The gore deaths where boring after the first few videos, after a while I did less gory deaths just to see something different. And the controls... oh... I remember one fight when the dammed character couldn't stop changing weapons and I got my ass served several times.

Traded it for FFX.

What Wii really needs to be "adult" is party games, and by party I mean dancing and singing. Non-gamers are buying ps2 to sing with singstar. Give them an affordable console with downloadable songs, so they can be local songs and not just international hits, and they'll buy it. I've got no intention to buy a ps3, but if they did a singstar for it with catalan music I would find it hard to resist.

Re:they mean... (1)

Zelucifer (740431) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918822)

I laughed, and then I realized that this joke will probably appear in one form or another, at least 5x in this thread :(

Re:they mean... (1)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 7 years ago | (#17921590)

way to kill a joke. I'm calling Jack thompson on you!

wii-mote (5, Funny)

PopeOptimusPrime (875888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918242)

So now I can brutally murder innocent civilians with seemingly innocuous objects in six degrees of freedom.

Re:wii-mote (0)

sporkme (983186) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918370)

Until I read your comment, I was bored with this story.

Re:wii-mote (3, Funny)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919100)

I'd imagine you could use the wiimote and the nunchuck thingie to strangle someone by holding them as a wire over s/o neck and pulling hard.

Re:wii-mote (1)

NaveNosnave (670012) | more than 7 years ago | (#17922442)

Posted by PopeOptimusPrime:

So now I can brutally murder innocent civilians with seemingly innocuous objects in six degrees of freedom.

<physicsWonk>Um, unless you're living in theoretical string-theory-land, you've only got three degrees of freedom to play in.

Re:wii-mote (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17923226)

Last I checked, I can roll, pitch, and yaw. It's a wonderful world!

(Degree of freedom != spatial dimension)

Re:wii-mote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17923270)

You must never have played the original Manhunt. There are no innocent civilians in the game, as the protagonist is being hunted in an isolated, controlled, urban environment by packs of violent thugs, street gangs and assassins.

Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17918376)

Anyone remember back to last year's E3?

The talk of Nintendo leading the way with gameplay and innovation?
The talk of Nintendo embarrassing the other console makers with their boldness?

Fast forward to today and what did the reality turn out to be?

GameCube games that Nintendo sat on for the past year so they could tack on some Wiimote stuff and sell them as Wii games.
Half-assed third party crap dumped on the console.
A couple of third party games actually designed for the Wii where the controls are kinda interesting but actually pretty clunky in reality.
Some Nintendo first party stuff that might come out in late 2007 but more likely sometime in 2008.

Like many other Wii owners, the Wii was a hit for a couple nights during the holidays when people were around the house. But now my Wii is sitting gathering dust these days. With nothing worth buying and who the hell knows when an actual Wii game is going to be released worth buying.

Where the hell is the online stuff Nintendo?
Where the hell are all these 'innovative' games Nintendo?

I could of just waited a little while and saved 200 bucks and just bought Zelda for my old GameCube.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17918424)

better luck next gen, bet on xbox 720

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17918704)

I am about 50 percent with you right now. If Nintendo doesn't get one of the big franchises out by middle of the year I will be in complete agreement. And probably will dump my Wii on eBay or a closet and pick up a PS3 now that BluRay has won the format war and 1080p TV prices are falling like mad.

The lack of games for the first half of 2007 must be the reason that I've been seeing Wiis on the shelves at various electronic stores this past week or two. Christmas buying frenzy is over and people are looking at the abysmal release list for the Wii and having second thoughts. Unless you have a bunch of people around your place all the time the Wii is a dreadfully boring console after you have played through Zelda TP.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17919104)

How is your post not marked Troll, Flamebait, or Astroturf? It has no basis in reality.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17923192)

Neither does denial.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (2, Insightful)

GreenEnvy22 (1046790) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919136)

I haven't seen any Wii's lasting on store shelves more then a couple of hours so far, though I am sure in some regions they have met demand.
I beat Zelda on our Wii 3 weeks ago, and still log several hours a week playing Wii sports and Wario Ware.

PS3 is the real bore right now games wise.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17919364)

Wii boxes are everywhere now. Anyone still trying to claim otherwise has as much credibility as the pathetic Xbox fans who use to make up stories last year at the same time about their desperate searches for a 360.

The PS3 shits all over the Wii.

Right now PS3 owners have:

The greatest online game ever made for a console with Resistance - 40 players, completely lagfree, clans, framerate that never drops no matter how insane what is going onscreen, http://myresistance.net/index2.php [myresistance.net] for online leaderboards/stat tracking, dynamically scalable maps, insanely easy one button matchmaking game setup, and soon new maps as downloadable content.

The insanely fun Motorstorm demo on PSN with the real game about a month away - early report are going gaga over the game with Sony scoring again with another major title using dedicated servers for completely lagfree online play.

All free, no idiotic 50 dollar a year charge.

1080p 60fps GT5 demo - complete with online stat tracking

God of War 2 just about to be released - looks better than any game on the Wii or 360.

Downloadable games like Gripshift, BlastFactor, and soon Flow on PSN

Virtua Fighter 5 was just released.

Yeah, poor PS3 owners!

We could be playing an old GameCube Zelda with some Wiimote controls bolted on and Wii Sports!

Heh, pathetic.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1)

shawngarringer (906569) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919690)

All free, no idiotic 50 dollar a year charge.
Nintendo's online features are free, but don't let the facts get in the way of your argument.

God of War 2 just about to be released - looks better than any game on the Wii or 360.
And also, why don't you get back to me when you've learned there is more to gaming than how many polygons can be displayed on the screen at once...

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919904)

Nintendo has yet to release any Wii game that uses the network features. Look, the parent sounded like a shill to me too, but the God of War franchise is widely known for having amazing gameplay AND graphics.

Considering that GoW 2 is a PS2 title, I'm sure it won't outclass either of the systems (or at least the 360) in terms of graphics (although I'm sure if God of War is any indication it will push the PS2 to it's absolute limit), so that leaves gameplay.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1)

Weedlekin (836313) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919410)

Nintendo don't seem to have met demand in some European countries, where the only way to get a Wii or DS Lite is by putting your name on a waiting list. This is very unusual so soon after the XMas buying madness has passed, when most people are having panic attacks after their credit card bills arrive and tell them how much they really spent, and retailers are therefore accustomed to discounting excess items rather than being sold out of things that people are queuing up to buy at full retail price.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919252)

How many trade shows has there been since the Wii was released?

That's correct, zero! Now, how many games does Nintendo announce months before a major tradeshow like E3? That's right very few ... This is a patern for a large portion of the industry because it is easier to get the attention of a lot of press outlets at E3 than it is to announce a game on a random day in January.

The Wii was released in Q4 which represents over half of all game sales, we are now in Q1 which is the slowest quarter in the year; the reason there are no Wii games being released is the same reason there are no PS2, Nintendo DS, PSP, XBox 360 and PS3 games being released.

Finally, there were other consoles that became a 'Third Party Dumping Grounds' ... The ones I can think of are the Playstation, PS2, Gameboy, and Gameboy Advance ...

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17919576)

A month ago when I was playing Zelda and relatives were sitting around my Wii I would have modded you down :)

What is strange about the Wii hype is it just disappeared one day sometime in the middle of January for me. It was like someone snapping their fingers and I realized that I had absolutely no more desire to play my Wii after completing Zelda and there was nothing of any interest at all coming out for the system for months. Sitting around alone playing a Wii is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever done. Great for groups of people but sitting by yourself waggling the controller around is quite retarded.

Maybe when one of the big Wii titles finally does get released the old Wii hype will return for me but right now I feel like someone who get smashed and ended up with some skank and am now sobering up realizing what I've done.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17919894)

>>Maybe when one of the big Wii titles finally does get released the old Wii hype will return for me but right now I feel like someone who get smashed and ended up with some skank and am now sobering up realizing what I've done.

At least you didn't spend a lot of money on that skank, and she's still fun your when friends come over and have their way with her.

As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (4, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919848)

I am tired of the modding system on this forum...
I kinda agree with you, and the unfortunate reallity is that I count myself as a "non-gamer".
I'll go with each of your points:

Fast forward to today and what did the reality turn out to be?

Granted, I was one of the first persons to "sell" the Wii to my relatives and other friend who is also "non-gamer" (currently his PhD in Biology ) or my brother a musician (hardcore Sony PS? player). In "theory" Wii is very cool.


GameCube games that Nintendo sat on for the past year so they could tack on some Wiimote stuff and sell them as Wii games.
Half-assed third party crap dumped on the console.

I am sure you are referring to Legend of Zelda... I agree with you on that. I bought it but more because my girlfriend wanted it, I have played one or two times but I find it boring (maybe not my type of game).

A couple of third party games actually designed for the Wii where the controls are kinda interesting but actually pretty clunky in reality.
Some Nintendo first party stuff that might come out in late 2007 but more likely sometime in 2008.

As an example, lets put Red Steel, which was one of the most hyped games (just look at all the Wii trailers from the prelaunch at youtube). I bought it because it seemed to be cool. I found it OK, and it is what I have been playing so far...but from the reviews I have read, they all agree in that it is a POS (I give it a 6 of 10).

Like many other Wii owners, the Wii was a hit for a couple nights during the holidays when people were around the house. But now my Wii is sitting gathering dust these days. With nothing worth buying and who the hell knows when an actual Wii game is going to be released worth buying.

I cant agree more with this. The Wii was so fun on christmass eve, as my girlfriends relatives came to our flat to play. We had a lot of fun with Wii Sports (pretty much the only good game for non-gamers). After that, I have played and beaten the pro status (more than 1800 in fact) in tennis, golf and bowling (baseball is boring and boxing is not accurate).


Where the hell is the online stuff Nintendo?

This is one of the things that has pissed me off. The VC games are just *too expensive*. I am in the UK and the price of the Wii points is just outrageous. They expect me to pay more than £5 for a NES game? I *really* want to get Street Fighter 2, but I can have a better SF2 experience with any Kalliera enabled emulator.

I got very angry also when I read that one of the Worms games was going to be released for Xbox Live. My girlfriend and I LOVE that game, and is one of the few games I have made non-gamer play and have fun (the N64 version with 1964emu).

Where the hell are all these 'innovative' games Nintendo?
I bought Super MonkeyBall banana because all the games I had where boring me; the game is fine, but too short for one person. Again, only my girlfriend played with me but, because she sucked (dont tell her =oP) and you have to play *against* the other player, she got tired of losing. And my flatmate (the PhD Biol. student) did not like it (too difficult for him, non-gamer).

Now I am just waiting to see a game which *really* makes me want it. So far I have not seen any. I am pondering to buy one of the racing games, just because it is what is available (if you go to any game store here in UK youwill see the same 5 games for the Wii vs tons of games for other systems... that pisses me off) and just to see if I can get more from the Wii. I am just affraid to buy a game that is as X as the others I have. Oh, and WarioWare is out of my list... I played the GBA game and it was awful (of course this is just my POV).

I could of just waited a little while and saved 200 bucks and just bought Zelda for my old GameCube.
I could have waited too, but I am *really* looking forward to the Wii. I hope Nintendo just wakes up and give us some really *new* gameplay. For now, I am sick and tired of the "party games" and am looking for some good one player or two-player cooperative games.

Meanwhile, I'll continue playing my recently acquired Neverwinter Nights (first version, 100% legal £4.00) =o)

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17921248)

Granted, I was one of the first persons to "sell" the Wii to my relatives and other friend who is also "non-gamer"

I've also hyped this to my family and friends. One friend sees it as to much work/energy/dumb to wave the wii-remote around (I think he's mad I could kick his butt in DragonBall Z, when he's always had the upper had on the PS2, as I never owned a system until late). I don't regret it, I still think it's a great game system. It's like Yahoo! games. You just turn it on, play it a bit and you can turn it off and like the Gamecube, a title will come along, like Zelda, and you'll sit for hours playing it.

I am sure you are referring to Legend of Zelda... I have played one or two times but I find it boring (maybe not my type of game).

I've played most Zelda games. The one game I never really played is "The Adventures of Link", which was the 2nd game in the series. I'll look forward to that game being released on the VC. The biggest problem with Zelda right now is that... it IS boring! Since playing "Link to the Past" on the VC, I just realize that, man, every Zelda game since have just been the same with small tweeks. Same mission progression. Same basic dungeons (desert level, forest level, mountain level, etc). Of course, the items are the same. Heck, I just realized that 'morphing' into a different being isn't new when in a 'alternate' universe. That was done in "Link to the Past" when you went into the 'dark' realm and turned into a pig/man. Though, you couldn't really do anything and turning into a Wolf is much cooler =). But, seriously, I'm fan of the Zelda games, but they REALLY need to come up with some new material. My favorite game is still the Wind Waker, despite peoples complaints of the cartoonish look and excessive water (which was true).

This is one of the things that has pissed me off. The VC games are just *too expensive*.

I have to agree... but I also have to admit that I've purchased a lot of games so far. Super Mario Bros, Super Mario World, Mario Cart 64, Legend of Zelda, Zelda: Link to the Past, Dungeon Explorere(UGH! What a mistake, I wish I could trade this one in), Toejam & Earl, and Columns. I'm still waiting for some other great games to be released, like Super Mario Cart, Super Mario Bros. 3, Metroid, Super Metroid, Baseball Stars, Metal Warriors, etc. I guess I will still buy these when they're released, even at the hefty price of $5-$10, but I would be buying a lot more games and trying them out if the price was half of that. Though, I did see a store having 'Wii Points' on sale the other day, but they where sold out.

I hope Nintendo just wakes up and give us some really *new* gameplay.

You'll have to wait a little. Nintendo kept the controller and Dev kits pretty long, and it will be a year or so before 3rd parties start to capitalize on the new gameplay abilities. Also, don't expect super fun games until they finalize their online service and games can be played over the internet, with friends.

It's just one of the downsides to being an early adopter. Give it awhile and there'll be some really good stuff. The sales, hype, and pop-culture status of the Wii will ensure much better 3rd party support, oppose to the Gamecube. Unfortunately, the Wii will still miss some of the 'newer' games due to it's less powerful specs. I guess we'll just have to get a 360 come next Xmas. =) Then I'll be able to play Dead Rising finally. hehe and probably pick it up for next to nothing too.

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (2, Insightful)

krazycraft (983109) | more than 7 years ago | (#17921932)

Wow, The wii has been out since the middle of november and all you're doing is bitching about "ZOMG WHERE IS THE NINTENDO INNOVATION GAMES!!?!!!" Yet you were all the same people last year saying 'give microsoft time and some good xbox360 games will come out'. How about you wait a little longer than 3 months from the release date before you start crying about how there are no good games to play on Wii/ps3.

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (1)

xantho (14741) | more than 7 years ago | (#17924156)

Shit, were they the same ones? I mean, there are a million of us here on Slashdot (Well, it's at least 983,109). Ever think that maybe the two groups don't overlap? It's not as if you're having a conversation with "the internet". There's a lot of people out there putting these words on your screen.

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 7 years ago | (#17927926)

They don't have to overlap but in this case they kind of do.

Because your complaints are (to be blunt) stupid.

You complain about things as if they were exclusive to the Wii.

Every console launched in the past few generations (if not ever) have had these kind of problems at launch.

It took the better part of a year before great 360 games started rolling out. VC games cost too much and the same thing is true with Live and its micro-transactions.

Where are all of the great PS3 games? Where are the games that take advantage of what the system can do?

I dunno to me you might as well be complaining that your car uses fuel knowing damn well that all cars do.

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 7 years ago | (#17927994)

Oops I wrote most of that thinking you were xtracto (very similar to your name at a glance) so uh forget all of the yous and yours in my post.

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#17925318)

Wow, The wii has been out since the middle of november and all you're doing is bitching about "ZOMG WHERE IS THE NINTENDO INNOVATION GAMES!!?!!!" Yet you were all the same people last year saying 'give microsoft time and some good xbox360 games will come out'. How about you wait a little longer than 3 months from the release date before you start crying about how there are no good games to play on Wii/ps3.

Hahaha, there you have it slashdot, a Nintendo fanboy in all its splendor. This is so funny, I would really love to see where in my previous post (GP) did in some way defended Microsoft, sony or any company. Hell, if you read my post (do it again, 2, 3 or more times until you can *really* understand it) I was at least trying to "defend" the Wii.

And this is insightful how?
Sure, I'll give it 3 months, by then I hope Dragon Quest and Mario Sunshine are available... meanwhile I'll be playing Red Steel.

In summary: Does Nintendo pay you for your services? theres no need to get all excited. They are just console games.

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 7 years ago | (#17928162)

What is there to understand? All of your complaints are damn near common sense at this point.

All you did was point out the obvious.

Let me know when you have a complaint that doesn't apply to every console ever made.

Oh and yes VC game prices being so high does suck but then again so do micro-transactions and over priced live arcade games.

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (1)

KnowledgeFreak (528963) | more than 7 years ago | (#17922482)

I definitely understand where you are coming from with your desire for more Wii games. I don't see myself buying another Wii game until Metroid, Mario galaxy, or some great use of online play comes out. However, at the same time I feel like I have more than enough hours of great game play ahead of me till mid '07.

      For one, there is the library of GC games that I never got around to buying (and are about 20 - 30 bucks a pop). For instance, if you like racing games, you should really try F-zero GX. Its hard, some courses you do have to memorize, but its really fast and its a beautiful game. Also, I understand (though I haven't personally played) that Lego Star Wars is supposed to be a lot of fun for non-gamers, and includes mid-game pick up and play co-op if your girl friend wants to play.

      Secondly, you really should break down and get some of the VC games. Again, F-Zero, Super Mario World (or 64), or any of the shoot 'em ups, are really well implemented, *fun*, games. I guess they are slightly less expensive for me since I'm using the dollar, but if you think of it as having (for some games) 30+ hours of good gameplay enjoyment for under 10 quid, well, thats a bargain.

Re: Challenging GC games on Wii.. (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17930726)

you should really try F-zero GX. Its hard some courses you do have to memorize, but its really fast and its a beautiful game.

Yes, Yes, and YES! Still one of my favorite games. Hard as hell, you get immense satisfaction when you beat anything. Also as craptastic as the Story is (in Story mode) those challenges are also white knuckle inducing. Pretty game in 480p Widescreen locked at 60 Frames per second. Love it Love it Love it.

If you like challenging games like F-Zero GX, try and grab a copy of Ikaruga.

Re:As always the Nintendo zealotry comes forward. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17923338)

Well I agree with you on one count, the modding system here is tiresome, when your idiotic rant about nothing is marked +5 Insightful. Since when does "I don't like game X and game Y so everyone else is stupid for saying they like the Wii", Dickens-ized to 1000 words, offer any insight at all?

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#17921818)

"The talk of Nintendo leading the way with gameplay and innovation?"

They succeeded.

"The talk of Nintendo embarrassing the other console makers with their boldness?"

They succeeded.

"Fast forward to today and what did the reality turn out to be?"

The Wii is a big hit. The game market has broadened as people from the older generation become gamers. PS3s are sitting on shelves while the Wii is still being camped out for.

"Like many other Wii owners, the Wii was a hit for a couple nights during the holidays when people were around the house. But now my Wii is sitting gathering dust these days."

Meanwhile, most of my coworkers who never really talked about gaming much before are now frequently talking about their experiences with the Wii. (Interestingly enough, there wasn't one system that nearly everybody in the office had until the Wii came out.) Others are using it to work out. New game announcements are news around the office. Perhaps I'm simply amongst a small niche of people that just happen to work at the same place because of some weird quirk of time and space.

"I could of just waited a little while and saved 200 bucks and just bought Zelda for my old GameCube."

This is the only saving grace of your post. "I should have waited a ways after launch", I respect that. Game consoles don't immediately hit their stride out the gate. (PS2, anyone?) I do wonder if you're over-analying what you have or over-weighing what you don't have, but I suppose I'm not in a position to cast stones. I had similar complaints about the PS2 at launch and look where it ended up.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#17923502)

> Game consoles don't immediately hit their stride out the gate. (PS2, anyone?)

The PS2 played virtually the entire back catalog of the PS1, had more than two dozen launch titles, most of them were third party, and most importantly it was also one of the cheapest DVD players on the market. It was a pretty spectacular launch in most every respect, even if its initial games looked barely any better than their PS1 equivalent (took forever to design for it no thanks to Sony's awful devkits).

I guess Sony figured everyone would go so gonzo for blu-ray that PS3's would fly off the shelves the same way. I guess they also discovered that regardless of inflation, most people have a pain point of about $400. I have a PS2, but I'm not getting any of the nextgen consoles until they have something I actually feel like playing (party games don't interest me). The 360 with titles like Viva Pinata and Dead Rising (I have eclectic tastes) is so far in the lead there.

Re:Wii - The Third Party Dumping Ground (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#17924900)

"It was a pretty spectacular launch in most every respect, even if its initial games looked barely any better than their PS1 equivalent (took forever to design for it no thanks to Sony's awful devkits)."

I realize I wasn't all that clear originally, but I wasn't thinking of the entire launch, but rather the new big splendiferious games that make that console the one to own. The launch titles for the PS2 were far from exciting and left many people wondering why they spent so much money at launch. The PS2 was neat when it was launched, but I intended to be more specific than that.

Good for the Wii (4, Insightful)

frenchy64 (965930) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918458)

This is a good thing for the Wii, people will look upon it as being more mature now. This is really important (I mean look at the Gamecube 'nuff said) and great for popularity, but I don't care, I bought the Wii for Nintendo titles. I won't be buying this.

Re:Good for the Wii (2, Insightful)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918522)

This is a good thing for the Wii, people will look upon it as being more mature now. This is really important (I mean look at the Gamecube 'nuff said) and great for popularity, but I don't care, I bought the Wii for Nintendo titles. I won't be buying this.

Right, because mature titles like Eternal Darkness or the Resident Evil series really helped the Gamecube shed its "kiddie" image ...

That said, I'm right there with you. I bought my Wii in anticipation of games like WarioWare: Smooth Moves. I have my Xbox 360 for "mature" titles like Gears of War or Dead Rising.

Re:Good for the Wii (2, Interesting)

frenchy64 (965930) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918590)

At least the Wii has mature games early, RE4 came out really late in the GCN's life. Not sure about Eternal Darkness, but doubt it came out as early as Manhunt for Wii is coming out in the Wii's life.

Re:Good for the Wii (4, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17918834)

At least the Wii has mature games early, RE4 came out really late in the GCN's life. Not sure about Eternal Darkness, but doubt it came out as early as Manhunt for Wii is coming out in the Wii's life.

Yes, RE4 came out late in the GC's life, but it was still earlier by a year than the PS2 version. However, that's not the only Resident Evil. Resident Evil 0 shipped 11/02 (a year after the US GC launch). Resident Evil 1 (the remake with updated graphics) shipped 4/02, which could arguably be called part of the "extended launch window". Resident Evil 2 and 3 shipped 1/03, and Resident Evil Code: Veronica X shipped 12/03. That's 5 Resident Evil games within the first two years of the GC's US life.

Eternal Darkness shipped 6/02, which was still quite early in the GC's life. The GC also had plenty of other non-kiddie titles such as the new Prince of Persia series (as opposed to the old ones on PC) and the Splinter Cell series. Unfortunately the fact that the console resembled a purple purse was a huge strike against it from the very start. The Wii's styling is much more "masculine", and it's 100% backwards compatible with GC games so you can catch up on all of those great games you may have missed without worrying about a reduction in testosterone levels :).

Re:Good for the Wii (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#17921244)

[blockquote]The Wii's styling is much more "masculine", and it's 100% backwards compatible with GC games so you can catch up on all of those great games you may have missed without worrying about a reduction in testosterone levels :).[/quote]

It's called a 'Wii'. They have a ways to go yet. :)

Re:Good for the Wii (1)

Markus_UW (892365) | more than 7 years ago | (#17925086)

I more thought that the GC looked like a kid's purple lunch pail...

Mature? (2, Insightful)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919288)

When people say "more mature" in the context of video games, is that a code word for "more violent"?

I'm not criticizing, but "more mature" always seems like a double-speak phrase. Like, if someone describes me as "more mature", that's a way of saying I'm old.

The irony is, that most people using the word "mature" when describing video games are generally under 21.

Re:Mature? (2, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919854)

And the double irony is that games labelled "mature" don't appeal all that much to the average mature gamer. Older gamers don't really care how much blood and boobs you pack into a game as a general rule. If the "mature" video game section really lived up to its name, it'd be stocked with copies of Bejeweled, the Sims (God help us), any number of Sim* or *Tycoon games, maybe a nice arcade compilation or two, a few proper adventure games, and for some reason Red Alert and Red Alert 2.

Re:Mature? (4, Insightful)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 7 years ago | (#17921080)

If you want to sell something to preteens, you market it to teens. If you want to sell something to teens you market it to young adults. Kids want to be like older kids and teens want to be like 20-30 year olds. That's why games marked mature aren't really targetted at people who are mature. Mature is just a marketing codeword to draw in teens who like to think of themselves as grown up.

Re:Mature? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17922914)

Actually, a big part of it is moral ambiguity. It's easiest to get moral ambiguity through violence, of course, but you can do it with relatively little--see, for instance, Shadow of the Colossus. Mario never offers me the question of whether or not what I'm doing is right.

Note that RE4 doesn't either, and while there are more components to mature games, I don't think it has them either. It's fun, but I don't classify it as a "mature" game except in the sense of "you have to be past the point where you're going to have nightmares about Chainsaw Man for weeks".

Re:Good for the Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17923882)

I don't think that violence is a sign of maturity.

I waited decades for this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17918552)

Finally, Manhunter 2 [adventurec...gaming.com] in the next-gen consoles!

Imagine what you'll look like... (1)

Rudifer_Rex (846255) | more than 7 years ago | (#17919424)

Imagine what you'll look like when you're stabbing air with your Wii wand or sneaking around your couch in an attempt to impale some grandma with a digital shard of pipe. One pro of this whole Wii revolution is that all you serial killers out there are going to be well practiced for your big day.

When Manhunt 3 comes out it will come with a sensor laden blow-up doll so you can actually beat the thing up... Wait a second, that's actually a great idea.

We're all gonna be in jail one day.

awesome (1)

Floritard (1058660) | more than 7 years ago | (#17920122)

i absolutely love manhunt. LOVE IT. just one more reason to get a wii! althought just where could the story go after the first manhunt? dude killed your whole family, and you killed dude. what's left? cash has no more arc left to him. maybe he just becomes a serial killer. now thats my kinda game.

Re:awesome (1)

BForrester (946915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17920542)

In that case, the game must have improved drastically after the first 20 minutes of gameplay -- which was the upper limit of my tolerance for its shoddy graphics, unresponsive control scheme and half-assed plot. Few games have bored me so quickly as this utterly uninspired brawler.

If it weren't for the sake of controversy breeding cheap news coverage, I would've thought that Rockstar would've abandoned this franchise.

Re:awesome (1)

frankie23 (1061290) | more than 7 years ago | (#17927802)

"In that case, the game must have improved drastically after the first 20 minutes of gameplay -- which was the upper limit of my tolerance for its shoddy graphics, unresponsive control scheme and half-assed plot. Few games have bored me so quickly as this utterly uninspired brawler." Y'see those words I bolded in your quote? Manhunt is a *stealth* game; it is repeatedly stated in the game that it is a bad, bad idea to fight people mano-e-mano. If you really believe it to be a brawler, you definitely didn't play the game enough to make a judgement on it. Yes, by the by, it does improve drastically once you get past the first twenty minutes, which are nothing more than a long tutorial. Especially when played with the earpiece, Manhunt is one of the most effective, enthralling games I've ever played. You really didn't give it a chance.

Re:awesome (1)

Floritard (1058660) | more than 7 years ago | (#17930224)

actually, i rented the game when it first came out. didn't like it. then i played warriors. LOVED that game, but realized it was extremely similar to manhunt from what i remembered. so i went back and played manhunt. LOVED it the second time. honestly, you don't even get any guns until like level 5 and it was perfect in terms of progression. by the time you get to the mansion at the end, and you're stalking private security guards with high powered rifles, i mean, you really feel like a maddog killer with a vendetta. IMHO, no game has really touched that since. we play tons of game where bullets and blood fly left and right, but nothing really gives you that sense of bloodlust like manhunt did. i mean this game had atmosphere. really, just play the game through and you'll love it. really play it. as far as the graphics are concerned, i think rockstar has a real knack for building an engine that is right for the console on which it is running. manhunt had just the right look for what it needed. and really, arguing that a game's graphics suck is invalid criticism now that i think about it. what was the last game you played where the gameplay kept you enthralled but you panned it because the graphics weren't up to snuff. doesn't happen. when ppl say the graphics suck its because they really weren't even into the game to begin with. go play the pretty splinter cell, and fall asleep...

Re:awesome (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 7 years ago | (#17923984)

Actually, you should hear Brian Cox's voice whispering in your ear throughout the game, urging you to commit increasingly brutal atrocities.

Then at the end of the game, it could turn out to be like in Psycho when they find Norman's mom...

Re:awesome (1)

Floritard (1058660) | more than 7 years ago | (#17930094)

oh i played it with the xbox communicator headset. what a great use of existing tech for a new original purpose. i really loved rockstar's use of that. i imagine whoever they get to do the voice (should they go that route again) will come from the wiimote this time eh?

Re:awesome (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 7 years ago | (#17938788)

That would make sense, although it might even be better to ship an earphone of some sort with it.

GTA fan and even I think ManHunt's a waste (2)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17922296)

Only bias I can bring is I'm not a fan of "stealth" games. But once you get past the stealth and the combat - there's nothing THERE gamewise. I thought the Wii was supposed to be about the frigging game? GTA has been a solid license for Take 2 since aside from mayhem it actually has GAMEPLAY.

I took a 15 dollar loss, but Manhunt has to be on of the only titles I returned within a week of buying it for trade-in value for the PS2.

And one other thing - don't think I didn't notice that "Warriors" was the first real sequal to that pile of crap. Same lame game with new skins and a theme. Whoop-de-shit.

There's been fears expressed that like the GameCube, the Wii outside of Nintendo titles (which is why I got my Wii system - btw Youtube fullscreenmode is pretty compelling TV) might be another baston of "shovelware" - here's the first massive proof. Fellow Wii owners, get out your shovels, let the crapfest begin.

Re:ManHunt's a waste where's Max Payne?! (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17928722)

once you get past the stealth and the combat - there's nothing THERE gamewise. I thought the Wii was supposed to be about the frigging game? GTA has been a solid license for Take 2 since aside from mayhem it actually has GAMEPLAY.

Yeah, Manhunt was a total waste. However if they were too busy making GTA4 for the PS360 then could the Wii get a better game from Rockstar? How about a port of Table Tennis? That would be a start. Personally though, I would pick (and pre-order) Max Payne 3... but Manhunt? Bah...

I think they are trying to put out a product to not sell then use that as justification to not develop for the platform.

Re:ManHunt's a waste where's Max Payne?! (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17928834)

Conspiracy theories aside - I hadn't thought of table-tennis since I never game it much though with conventional controllers. The game got high marks though and - you, me and anyone else not drooling into a bucket - would THINK would be a no-brainer to update and bring to the Wii.

Good call.

Ahh the Sony marketdroids attack (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 7 years ago | (#17923340)

Some of the comments on here really have me wondering if Sony has hired some Cowards to write anti-Wii comment. There are no Wii on the shelf (unlike PS3 and obviously 360). In About 3 months the Wii has sold almost half as many as the 360 (4.5mil vs 10.5 mil) and is blowing the PS3 away which is sitting at about 2mil at best. This means that the Wii is becoming a more and more viable system for developers. Couple that with the low cost of creating games and I would say Wii games are probably already as cost effective as a 360 game and this is only going to get better as they start to get stocked in more quantity. Check nexgenwars.com if you don't believe me.

Next, someone bring Rocket Jockey to the Wii (1)

JoshDM (741866) | more than 7 years ago | (#17927110)

Manhunt is a surprise from the company that allowed Resident Evil 4 to grace it's prior-gen system? Hah.

Manhunt is fun, but I will forever push Rocket Jockey to you as the perfect example of a Wii game that must be made until the moment I hear that it will be published.
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