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Capacity drop? (4, Interesting)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934042)

I wonder if we'll see a drop in storage capacity with the increased number of users.

Also, my GMail account still says I only have 73 invites left. If it's open, why don't they drop the limited number of invites?

Re:Capacity drop? (5, Insightful)

THE anonymus coward (92468) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934126)

I doubt we will see a drop in capacity at this point. Everyone who wants a gmail account has had it for at least a year now, so I don't think many will come who haven't come yet.

Re:Capacity drop? (3, Interesting)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934334)

Most people I meet on campus have never even heard of GMail.

With Google holding the top search engine spot, they need only add a link to GMail to the search page, and they'll get millions more users.

Re:Capacity drop? (5, Funny)

mfh (56) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934682)

Most people I meet on campus have never even heard of GMail.

Where do you go? Remind me never to hire any of those uninformed tech grads!

It's just a publicity stunt (2, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934210)

Come on. I can't think of anybody who wasn't able to get a GMail account. If a large number of users necessitated a drop in storage, it would have happened a long time ago.

Re:It's just a publicity stunt (2, Insightful)

harves (122617) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934930)

I agree there won't be a large drop in storage space, but...

I would expect there's a large number of people who don't have the option of using gmail. Remember, everyone you know, probably knows you; if they wanted GMail access they would ask you for an invite. What of those slowly-entering-the-technology-age households who don't have anyone they can easily ask? You know, the kind of people you *don't* hang out with? There's got to be a decent number.

Re:Capacity drop? (0, Redundant)

Hiween (1057790) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934214)

I don't think so. With 99 invitations per user, I think everybody that wanted a GMail account could get one, I doubt there will be much more growth now. I have seen the invitation system as something that made you want have a gmail account. When the invitations were more limited, it was kind of VIP to have an account (actually, gave the feel of VIP only). Maybe this is the first step to end the beta stage of the service...

Just checked... (4, Informative)

nathan s (719490) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934078)

...and I don't see any way to sign up other than the "use your mobile" promotion that they've had going for a while. There's no link from TFA either.

annnd checked again... (4, Informative)

nathan s (719490) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934112)

If I try to go to gmail.com, I get the old URL (the one with &ltmpl=m_wsad and no way to sign up) but the link in the summary (with &ltmpl=m_blanco ) has a sign up form. Interesting. This with clearing my cache first to be sure that it isn't a browser caching issue.

Re:Just checked... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934212)

Dude, your writing blows.

Offtopic: As anyone... (-1, Offtopic)

nathan s (719490) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934288)

...who has had to sit through a creative writing class could tell you, that sorta criticism 1) fails to bother me in the least if you're attempting to troll me, and 2) as a helpful tip is completely useless. If you could be more specific as to what part blows, perhaps I can correct it in my future writings.

Re:Offtopic: As anyone... (0, Offtopic)

beckerist (985855) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934760)

Dragon hunting was actually really cool. The first person view takes away from the "reader as the subject" personal feel, so it was difficult to get into, but the ending (though expected) was pretty good. You definitely could use an editor: your punctuation is all over the place, starting (incomplete) sentences with And ("And flew away."), etc.
You kept the same tense throughout: good.
You didn't end sentences with prepositions: good.
Funny / Entertaining story: good.
I give Dragon Hunting an 8/10. Anyone who says otherwise is an Anonymous Douchebag. :)

By the way, I'm already aware this is off topic but feel free to waste your mod points on me.

Re:Just checked... (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934236)

It's there. [photobucket.com]

Re:Just checked... (1)

Monty845 (739787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934264)

Try clicking the link, you get a page asking for your cell phone number so they can text you an invitation code...

Re:Just checked... (2, Insightful)

moranar (632206) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934308)

Not for the Italian google mail service: it takes me directly to the signup page.

Re:Just checked... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934332)

Re:Just checked... (1)

Monty845 (739787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934420)

You cannot log into Gmail using your Google Account username and password. GMail uses a seperate acount system.

Re:Just checked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934444)

Just realized that...so much for open to public.

Re:Just checked... (3, Informative)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934776)

You cannot log into Gmail using your Google Account username and password. GMail uses a seperate acount system.

Does it now? I just launched IE to check it (easier than logging out of everything in Firefox) and the text above the login box said "Sign in to Gmail with your Google Account".
So I'd guess that yes, you can log into Gmail with your Google Account username and password.

And it doesn't ask for a cell phone or anything like it, either.

I just wonder if they're going to drop the invites altogether...

But I read somewhere below that the problem may be with you living in North America...

Need Invite (1)

Dr_Mic (975409) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934492)

Ya, I've danced around the gmail pages, and I don't have the text messaging capability required. Can anyone send me a Gmail invite?

Re:Need Invite (1)

aj50 (789101) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934666)

Not unless you give them your e-mail Interestingly, I can see a signup link which doesn't ask me for a mobile number

Re:Need Invite (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17935212)

If you want a GMail account, just send an email to the address in my Slashdot profile. I'll send you an invite in return.

If the report refers to the mobile phone service (1, Funny)

VirusEqualsVeryYes (981719) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934826)

Shouldn't there be some kind of mechanism in Slashdot to prevent months-old news?

I must be new here.

Not really (2, Interesting)

Monty845 (739787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934118)

Maybe the submitter has a different definition of all than I, but Gmail still requires either an invation or the ability to receive text messages. While the number of people who can't get text messages may be small, there are still many people who cannot sign up.

Re:Not really (2, Informative)

bad_fx (493443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934172)

Check again - they seem to have removed the requirement to receive the text message...

Re:Not really (3, Informative)

Monty845 (739787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934220)

Maybe you should read the FAQ: "Can I sign up without the invitation code? Or without a mobile phone? You need to receive and enter a special invitation code in order to create an account. Currently, we are only sending these codes as text messages to mobile phones. So you will need to have a mobile phone with text message capabilities (most phones have this) and the invitation code itself. One of the reasons we are offering this new way to sign up for Gmail is to help protect our users and combat abuse. Spam and abuse protection are two things we take very seriously, and our users have been very happy with the small amount of spam they've received in their Gmail accounts. We take many measures to ensure that spammers have a difficult time sending their spam messages, getting these messages delivered, or even obtaining a Gmail account (spammers will often use many different accounts to send spam). Sending invitation codes to mobile phones via SMS is one way to address this, as the number of accounts per phone number can be limited. If you want to open an account a different way, you may want to ask a friend with a mobile phone to receive an invitation code for you or to ask someone you know who already has a Gmail account to email you an invitation. updated 2/7/2007" Show me where someone can signup without a code or a cell phone to receive a code...

Re:Not really (4, Informative)

jbarr (2233) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934748)

Maybe you should read the FAQ...
Their FAQ pages have not been updated yet. As with almost all previous Gmail enhancementsit takes time to roll things out globally. When I navigate to Gmail.com using IE7 or Firefox, I see a nice "Sign up for Gmail" panel with a link that takes you right to a signup screen--no invitation is necessary. (Now, I'm using a company proxy that hits the Internet in Europe, so YMMV depending on your location.)

Give it a day or so, and you should see the non-invitation link.

Re:Not really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17935258)

FTF:
Spam and abuse protection are two things we take very seriously...

Well, it seems that they are trying to keep the spam monopoly.

Re:Not really (2)

wpegden (931091) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934328)

There's also the issue of privacy. Both methods of signing up make it difficult to set up an "anonymous" gmail account.

Re:Not really (4, Informative)

montyzooooma (853414) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934652)

But if you're signing up for a gmail account you're already trading a certain amount of privacy away anyway.

Re:Not really (5, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934410)

Gmail still requires either an invation or the ability to receive text messages.

I haven't read the CNN article linked here, but I did read the article on my Wii last night. The long and short of it is that signup is geographically limited. Just about everyone not in North America is now able to sign up without going through the text message routine. The Google spokepeople have promised that North America will follow "soon".

Hope that clarifies things.

Re:Not really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17935086)

>>I haven't read the CNN article linked here, but I did read the article on my Wii last night.

Can I subscribe to your Wii news feed?

Re:Not really (1)

kabocox (199019) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934522)

Maybe the submitter has a different definition of all than I, but Gmail still requires either an invation or the ability to receive text messages. While the number of people who can't get text messages may be small, there are still many people who cannot sign up.

https://www.google.com/accounts/SmsMailSignup1 [google.com]

What if I don't have any intention of giving google my telephone number? Well, I don't want there service anyways.

I signed up for this service sometime around 98 and they only know what I filled out in the form.
https://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_register?.intl= us&new=1&.done=http%3A//mail.yahoo.com&.src=ym&.v= 0&.u=94cvl9h2smgh7&partner=&.partner=&pkg=&stepid= &.p=&promo=&.last= [yahoo.com]

Why would the tin hat slashdot crowd want to sign up for a service that wants to know more about you?

Bring on the Gspam! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934128)

Boy howdy I can't wait for the new wave of inter-Gmail spam. Personally I hope it's more viagra advertisements!

Fastmail (1)

kahei (466208) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934136)


How does gmail compare to fastmail? I've been using a fastmail account (the kind where you pay once to set it up and it's free thereafter) to consolidate my emails for years and it's ok but it's gradually being overwhelmed by the amount of spam I get. How does gmail stack up, especially in the area of spam killing? Does anyone have both?

Re:Fastmail (3, Interesting)

jrwr00 (1035020) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934160)

as you can tell i show my email address on /.
and the spame filter work well, i get some 5K in spam and MAYBE 1 email will get past

Re:Fastmail (5, Informative)

Nimloth (704789) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934286)

I do have both except I pay for the Enhanced account at Fastmail. GMail doesn't compare in terms of features, with Fastmail offering full Sieve scripting, I've got my domain hosted and sieve lets me do pretty much everything I ever wanted to do with email. It's also great for managing spam.
Fastmail lets me use webDAV to access my file storage, and I just love IMAP/IDLE support. With Fastcheck installed that monitors my mailbox with IDLE, the notification often pops up before I get it on my Blackberry (PUSH-based), something Exchange has never managed to do at work.
I get loads of spam in my GMail even though I've never given it to anyone, which I think speaks for itself. 1 or 2 spams a week with Fastmail and I've had it for 8+ years.

Re:Fastmail (2, Insightful)

slumberer (859696) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934454)

Yeah I have both and personally I have fastmail set up to just forward my email to gmail. It's a matter of preference but I find the gmail interface a lot easier to use than the fastmail one. As far as spam goes gmail does a great job of stopping it from getting to my inbox.

The reason that I still use the fastmail account is because it still checks my other email accounts - especially my hotmail account - that I have stopped using but still have the odd email sent to. Gmail doesn't offer the same way of checking other email accounts but having fastmail forward to gmail works just as well.

i love gmail (4, Informative)

teh_chrizzle (963897) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934620)

i'll be the first to admit that i am a pretty serious google fanboy and i haven't used a fastmail account so proceed with caution.

i have two public access unix accounts, one on SDF [lonestar.org] and one on hobbiton [hobbiton.org] (hobbiton stopped being public access like 6 years ago). two years ago there was a sudden astronomical increase in the amount of spam that i was getting on both accounts. both systems had not yet set up greylisting or some other anti-spam measures and so i was worried that i would have to abandon an email address that i have had for almost 10 years.

i got a gmail invite from a friend and set up my new account, and gmail has an option where you can choose to send mail as another account and make that the default method for sending mail, so i set up my gmail account to send as the two unix accounts and then added the gmail address to a .forward for each shell account.

so now i use gmail as the central store for all of my email. now that both shell accounts have graylisting and other spam filtering i take advantage of that PLUS gmail's ability to bucket spam, so i have not seen a spam email in something like 6 months. i could go back to the old way (i look really oldschool using ssh to check my mail with pine) but i have become so lazy and spoiled thanks to gmail that there is no real reason to go back.

so, if you want to keep your old address and switch to gmail, it is possible, provided your old provider has some means for you to forward your mail.

Re:Fastmail (2)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934780)

GMail seems to do a pretty good job of spam filtering - I can't recall getting any spam that wasn't detected and put into my spam folder, although I have to say that Optimum Online (having been though a couple of spam filtering revisions) now do a very good job also. The worst spam filter is Mozilla mail, which despite my "training" it daily since day one still lets large volumes of spam though every day.

I guess being a giant provider of e-mail puts you in a good position to do filtering since you could (in theory at least - don't know if Google is doing it) simply see if the same mail/mail template is being sent to very many accounts and reasonably classify it as spam based purely on that.

Re:Fastmail (1)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 7 years ago | (#17935230)

I have both. I mainly use Fastmail because it has IMAP support and none of the annoying POP3 quirks of GMail.
From a spam point of view, I find both very effective, but it might be because I use the account where you have to pay $20 every year, which supposely offers enhanced spam protection.

It's about time... (3, Insightful)

jsight (8987) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934148)

Now if only they would add IMAP support and improve security, they might have a chance of being successful with Google for Domains.

Re:It's about time... (2)

gkhan1 (886823) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934472)

If by "improving your security", you mean that they don't use SSL when reading your mail, you are sadly mistaken. You can use SSL, they make it optional. If you go to https://mail.google.com [google.com] instead of just http://mail.google.com/ [google.com] (note the https), you get SSL all the way. If you meant "doesn't use PGP", well, no web-mail provider does. Use a client instead.

Re:It's about time... (2, Interesting)

jsight (8987) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934580)

It's a major weakness that I have to use a client for S/MIME capability, but they don't support the best protocol for doing this (IMAP).

With regards to SSL, my issues there mostly apply to Google for domains. As far as I know, they don't allow you to mandate SSL for that either, and that is a weakness in an environment where you can't always trust your users to access with optional security every time.

Re:It's about time... (1)

gkhan1 (886823) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934650)

I can't speak really about google for domains, but if you run that, shouldn't you be able to just redirect the standard portal to the secure one? However, I know nothing about it, so I bow to your knowledge. As for per-mail security I use GnuPG and Thunderbird over POP and I don't have any problem with it (and I get a fuckload of mail). I realize IMAP is better, but surely POP is "good enough" for most circumstances?

here comes the spam (1, Insightful)

superwiz (655733) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934168)

By invitation only was a perfect way to protect against spammers signing up quickly. Well, not perfect, but at least you could always know who the root of the spam tree was and could handle the whole tree. Now they (at Google) destroyed the reason for their own success.

Re:here comes the spam (1)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934314)

PSSSSSSSST!

Spamming is when you *send* UCE. Signing up to gmail allows you to *receive* mail.

Unless you think the spammers have *so many* people they could actually poison the filters by clicking on the "no, this viagra email ISN'T spam button"

Re:here comes the spam (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934512)

I'm not sure if you're being purposefully dense, but if a spammer gets an account easily with gmail, he can use it to send emails to people.

Re:here comes the spam (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934790)

if a spammer gets an account easily with gmail, he can use it to send emails to people.
GP doesn't make sense as a reply, but I doubt Gmail would be a good platform for spammers, certainly no more so than Hotmail et al. I'm guessing that sending out a few bulk emails would get your account and IP flagged pretty quickly, especially if the messages set off the spam filters.

Re:here comes the spam (1)

sholden (12227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934794)

Because it's so difficult to send it without one. Hence why there has been no spam at all prior to this.

Re:here comes the spam (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934842)

He is probably talking about the nigerian bastars, who spam/scam you when you advertise anything for sale.

And it is a shame, usually warning signs would go up when I got an email from yahoo (or less often hotmail). Hopefully they will all still stay at yahoo.

Re:here comes the spam (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934886)

I get plenty of spam from 'legitimate' yahoo email addresses, i.e., they contain correct spf headers. I imagine the gp was talking about similar happening with gmail now.

Surge in users? (2, Insightful)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934194)

Great. Now we get to see how Gmail handles thousands of accounts being created just to send out spam.

Re:Surge in users? (2, Interesting)

Red_Foreman (877991) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934296)

Not only does GMail have a much better spam filter, but Google will proabbly do what MS won't - aggressively delete spammer email addresses.

Besides, most spam is generated from zombie windows boxes in South Korea, anyways.

Still, if you don't want spam, don't publish your email address and only give it to competent people.

Re:Surge in users? (1, Insightful)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934346)

Given that Google so far has done a horrible job at policing their YouTube users (as far as copyrighted + inappropriate/obscene/pr0n content), I'm not quite sure why you think they'd suddenly do an excellent job at policing spammers within Gmail.

Re:Surge in users? (3, Insightful)

daeg (828071) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934564)

They have incentive to police spammers that use gmail accounts -- volume reduction. If every spammer that uses a gmail account sends enough e-mail to fill a full 2GB (in the Sent folder), that also nets 2 GB on the receiving end -- removing the spammer's account can reduce storage requirements by up to 4GB per spammer removed.

They also will get a very nice benefit to closing spammer accounts -- their sent folders are 100% spam. What better way to see what tricks spammers are using than have 2GB of sent spam in one easy location? They can easily see what percentage of that spam folder was then in turn delivered as non-spam and how many users read it and marked it as not-spam.

Playing the same game MS played (4, Interesting)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934216)

First get all the data of the users into its servers, relatively easily, cheaply and painlessly. Like Word5' importing WordPerfect or Excel importing Lotus123 without any hitch. Once all the data is safely collected MS increased the switching costs and made it nearly impossible to get back to the competitors. Till date it keeps changing file formats, macro language, APIS, look and feel and tries enshrine even the bugs in Word5 as the new "standard" "open" document format!!!

In the case of Google, it will find increasing the switching costs to get out of gmail not very easy. Reason are:

1. It uses a simple browser as its interface and it does not have the same level of control over http protocols and XML protocols MS enjoyed over Windows platform.

2. Users have become more aware of these issues. The resurgence of OpenOffice and fandom of Firefox shows that.

3. Google says its motto is "dont do evil" and atleast part of its fan base is taking it at face value.

Overall, IMHO, if google wrests significant portion of the data from the clutches of MS and shows how advantageous it could be for companies and users to keep their data in a format with eye on the switching costs it would benefit the consumers.

Re:Playing the same game MS played (5, Informative)

thue (121682) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934544)

Google is actually "not being evil" here, by making it easy to extract your email.

Just go to "settings"->"forwarding and pop" and select "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)". You can then download a copy of all the mail to your computer using a normal email client (You can choose to keep a copy on gmail). You can also get all mail automatically forwarded to an outside email address.

That makes it easy to switch email provider; I used it the other day to download a copy of all my email, just in case. It seems to me that Google has chosen not to lock in users, but to simply try retain customers by being better. Which is the way it should be, and which makes me more comfortable relying on google services in the future.

Regards, Thue

Re:Playing the same game MS played (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934908)

Yes, this is ok. I still wish they had a backup option, that would save all your messages into a big file for you to store somewhere. That would be perfect.

Re:Playing the same game MS played (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17935014)

Download everything with POP3 using your favorite email client, then zip up the folder. I don't think there's any universal format for email aside from mbox, so this is about as easy as it gets.

Re:Playing the same game MS played (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934940)

Exactly. If you're not keeping backups of your own data, and trusting a free service, you're crazy. But Google is generally quite good at letting you get your data in standard formats. POP3 for Gmail, iCal for Google Calender, various formats for Google Docs & Spreadsheets, etc. I don't trust Google more than I trust any other company, but worrying about vendor lock-in just doesn't make any sense here.

Re:Playing the same game MS played (1)

J-1000 (869558) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934966)

Just go to "settings"->"forwarding and pop" and select "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)". You can then download a copy of all the mail to your computer using a normal email client (You can choose to keep a copy on gmail). You can also get all mail automatically forwarded to an outside email address.
Exactly. Google not only grants POP access but also allows forwarding. Compare this to an account at Yahoo! where you cannot do either of these things unless you pay a $20 annual fee. This creates a significant barrier for people wanting to switch, even for a person such as myself who has been "happily" paying the fee for years. You see, once I switch mail providers I'll want to stop paying Yahoo's fee, which in turn will cancel the forwarding....

Let the Spamming Begin (1)

popo (107611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934224)

Now will I receive as much spam as I do from Hotmail addresses?

Re:Let the Spamming Begin (1)

marto (110299) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934326)

Perhaps, if you publish your email address. I have found the Gmail system to deal with spam much better than Hotmail ever has.

Worldwide BETA (2, Funny)

dlim (928138) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934316)

Open to the world, yet it's still a "Beta" application. Huh.

Worldwide BETA: sourceforge. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934370)

Much like a lot of open source software.

Here's to hoping frivolous accounts kept in check (1)

Merkwurdigeliebe (1046824) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934372)

So, I hope that we don't begin to see inumerable amounts of bot-generated Gmail accountslike one finds in other web-based email services.

I dont see "Sign up" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934520)

I dont see the "sign up" link at all at www.gmail.com. (Cleared cache etc)

Either this is geographically limited or Google is slow to implement it in all countries....

WHAT???? No Way!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934654)

You mean I am no longer one of the very select, very few, Chosen and Invited Ones of the email aristocracy???

Say it ain't so... ;)

(Love my Gmail)

wow (1)

UPZ (947916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934656)

finally........i havent managed to score a gmail account yet!

Re:wow (1)

petabyte (238821) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934778)

finally........i havent managed to score a gmail account yet!

Hmm, see that actually suprises me. I've been using gmail for quite a while - its perfect for webmail and I forward my homepage's mail to it. I got my invite by going to one of those sites that banks invites from people and will send you one if you request it.

That said, am I the only one who was taken aback by the saved searches feature? I don't care that google has it, I DO care very much that it was enabled by default and I had a bunch of saved searches before I disabled the functionally. I then had to clear out all of the saved searches. That was not cool and in my opinion, a bad move on google's part.

I really hope that projects like RoundCube continue to develop. If the day ever comes where I want to get off the gmail ride, I'd hope to pick up a client just as nice.

There Goes the Neighborhood (1)

beerdini (1051422) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934740)

Welcome mass flood of spammers to Gmail! True there were some out there before, but now that it is open its just going to get thousands of times worse. Hopefully they tweak up their internal spam filter to allow for their own domain.

I'm just glad I got in early enough that I have the names that I wanted before they got snatched up and added extra numbers or other junk to them.

a nagging problem about gmail (5, Insightful)

supernova87a (532540) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934758)

This may be a little off topic, but maybe many others here will benefit from discussing this same concern. I love Gmail, but there is a problem I see that's been slowly nagging me:

I use Gmail to read the messages off my work/academic Pine accounts, and it has rapidly become my main way to check email because it has a great feature set, and Gmail doesn't pull some of the stupid tricks that other free email services do. I also use it to send messages (i.e. the "from:" field pretending as if it is one of the other work/school accounts I have), and rapidly I'm accumulating email on my Gmail account that now doesn't exist elsewhere.

However, sometime in the far off future, Gmail may decide not to work one day, or there may be a new technology to replace it. We can't know for sure. So I would like to be able to have a backup of that mail just in case. As much as I trust Gmail and like Google, I need some way to keep my mail on my own, because if it were all lost, it would be awful.

Couldn't they offer a service, for some reasonable amount of $$, where they would burn my entire Gmailbox onto a DVD and send it to me? With the size of my mailbox, POP downloading is becoming impossible, and this would also be a great way to give users some peace of mind.

or has anyone else felt this worry, and come up with an interesting/workable solution??

Re:a nagging problem about gmail (1)

the_macman (874383) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934914)

With the size of my mailbox, POP downloading is becoming impossible

Why? You only have to download all your messages once, then from there on you only download new ones as they come in. Thousands of people, including me, using a POP3 client for their gmail and have local copies of all their emails.

-JT

Re:a nagging problem about gmail (2, Insightful)

aug24 (38229) | more than 7 years ago | (#17935152)

Watch and see.

Only last week, some poster here complained that there was no 'open in docs' link for .doc file attachments in gmail. All of three days later (IIRC) it appeared, and I've been using it with pleasure. I hadn't realised I wanted it till it was pointed out.

So someone there is prolly surfing /. and you may get your wish.

Justin.

Configure GMail to be my spam filter? (1)

RockyPersaud (937868) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934820)

I'm curious about GMail's spam filtering abilities. I've heard that it is pretty good. Can Slashdotters recommend the best way to pass my company's email through GMail and then back to the intended recipient? For example, I have a catch-all address which receives @mycompany.com's email when the recipient doesn't exist, and it just sits there in the catch-all inbox until I clean it out (since my email server's spam filter isn't pushing all the spam to trash). I can configure the catch-all to forward to a gmail account and hope that filters out more of the spam, but is there a better way to do this? And what about legitimated address email, can I filter it through GMail to catch the spam better?

Re:Configure GMail to be my spam filter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17935026)

You can forward to a Gmail address, and have a pop pull re-download the mail. Anything filtered as spam wont come back. Use that to determine what Gmail thinks is spam, and nuke it.

I dont know if that works in bulk.

Re:Configure GMail to be my spam filter? (1)

sherriw (794536) | more than 7 years ago | (#17935042)

Yes, I believe that would work. Gmail allows you to grab up to 5 other email accounts (via pop3).

If you tried to send those back to the original account though, you might get a loop going.

I have found that Gmail's spam filters catch almost everything. And I have not experienced a false positive yet.

Tongue, meet cheek. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17934896)

This is a 3 year old dupe [slashdot.org] !

Selective quoting of discussion follows:

Prepare to be underhwelmed [slashdot.org]

What is left in webmail? The best Google can do is offermore default space than Yahoo and Hotmail. This will cost them money - Yahoo currently soaks $19 a year out of anyone wanting more than 4 MB. Maybe they can do filtering better, but I don't see them outdoing spamassassin etc. Ultimately its just another email address. The geek cachet will wear off quick after everyone you despise starts using googlemail.


Bad move [slashdot.org]

it's a bad bad move on google's part. The infrastructure needed (and the sysadmin) to provide a robust, spam-free , web based email system is of a sheer magnitude greater than just being pure search.
For starters , the tech support will ramp up ,and add to google's costs. And Googlemail will become the numero uno target for spammers.
If I were the Google founders, I quite honestly wouldn't bother - it's to much hassle and dilutes the Google "brand".
But then again, the IPO is coming up, so having a "webmail" component is an easy sell to "analysts" in Five Points ...ahem... Wall Street I mean.


I really can't see it catching on guys!

Now if only... (2, Insightful)

proxy318 (944196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934956)

They'd let you use some of that storage for Picasa's web albums. 250MB for pictures, almost 3GB for email? That's kind of ass-backwards.

Yahoo Mail Beta blocks Linux (2, Informative)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 7 years ago | (#17934988)

And at the very same time, Yahoo Mail Beta has blocked Linux users. Maybe it's time to switch.
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