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Porn Industry May Not Decide Format War

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the assumptions-about-media dept.

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nixkuroi writes "MSNBC Reports that the porn industry may be overstating their numbers and, as a result, may not be the decider of the next winning movie format. Even more interesting: Vivid Entertainment says that despite Sony's refusal to license Blu-ray to the adult industry, they've found a way to replicate the technology and will release Debbie Does Dallas on both formats. Film writer Jimmy Digiorgio states, in an email with MSNBC: 'In the past, porn embraced new technologies that were just gaining a foothold. DVDs are not new, and I don't think consumers perceive Blu-Ray and HD-DVD as new technologies. Instead, they see them as an evolution of an existing technology.... With Blu-ray [versus] HD-DVD, porn will go where the masses go.'"

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185 comments

PRON (0, Redundant)

viewtouch (1479) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947124)

one man's pron is another man's life's blood.

ugh (4, Insightful)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947148)

no way do I want to see any of these "actors" in HD, either format.

Re:ugh (5, Funny)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947250)

Em, they have "actresses", too.
You would like them.
I swear.

Re:ugh (2, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947400)

Most female actresses have gotten over the whole male/female gender thing and just started to call themselves actors. They are just as equal as the men, if not more important, so they don't feel the need to differentiate themselves.

Re:ugh (3, Funny)

Splab (574204) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947442)

Most porn would lose a lot of their audience without women in the movies - so yeah, they are more important :D

Re:ugh (0, Offtopic)

fluffman86 (1006119) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947702)

Yes, you are correct in that they are an equal driving force in the movies, but just because they are equal does NOT mean that we should use the masculine form of the word to speak of women. Should the current Monarch of England be called King Elizabeth II?

Re:ugh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947846)

Maybe not, but she shouldn't be called the "monarchess", either. You can insist that "actor" is masculine, if you want, but there's no reason why it should be.

Re:ugh (2, Informative)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948440)

Should the current Monarch of England be called King Elizabeth II?


I might point out that while Elizabeth is the Queen and and not the King, she *is* the Duke of Lancaster and the Duke of Normandy (and not the Duchess) and the Lord of Mann (and not the Lady).

Chris Mattern

Re:ugh (1)

sBox (512691) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948530)

It's like spanish, man.

1 man - masculine
1 woman - feminine
2 men - masculine
2 women - feminine
1 man, 1 woman - masculine

A title is a title, more of an expression of rank than a physical attribute.

Oh no! We've been found out! (4, Insightful)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947928)

Women are unequal and always will be. We men, so much better than women in every way, will always tack the "ress" onto "act" to symbolize this, damaging fragile girl's self-esteem and causing them to fail calculus in high school and earn less then men for equivalent work. Also, I personally have meaningless sex with brainless bimbos that I never plan to marry.

Re:ugh (3, Interesting)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947330)

You're not the only one who has issues with HD format and adult movies. The folks who star in these movies are nervous about all the imperfections [itworld.com] that are showing up now that resolution is so high.


I have a story from the NY Times (reg now required) in my journal which talks about this very issue. One of the solutions? Use software packages to 'soften' the images. In other words, film the movie in HD format then turn down the resolution so it is similar to that of what is on video tape or film.

Re:ugh (2, Funny)

mgiuca (1040724) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948026)

I have a story from the NY Times (reg now required) in my journal which talks about this very issue. One of the solutions? Use software packages to 'soften' the images. In other words, film the movie in HD format then turn down the resolution so it is similar to that of what is on video tape or film.
They're way ahead of you... just plug in any non HDCP/HDMI-compatible monitor into your HD video player, and the software inside will automatically "soften" the image for your viewing pleasure.

Re:ugh (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947358)

no way do I want to see any of these "actors" in HD, either format.

Mainstream actresses are not any better. every once in a while, I meet a celebrity (those who fly a lot can share similar experiences) and I'm usually disappointed. Same goes for models (tall, way too skinny, fake boobs, and not that beautiful in person) Of course, I haven't met them all.

Wasn't there an article a while ago stating that many stars DON'T look good on HD?

OTH, the porn "actresses" I have met, I have rarely been disappointed. Ok, super sized boobs are gross, but with video being so, I don't know how to put it, "bright" (?) you pretty much see what they look like - heavy makeup and all. And few of them are quite beautiful in person.

Re:ugh (1, Informative)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947462)

no way do I want to see any of these "actors" in HD, either format.

Yeah, god forbid a woman have any imperfections on her. I understand this is porn and its supposed to be fantasy where all women are perfect but come on...Honestly, if my beautiful girlfriend didn't have a few small imperfections on her I'd be a little creeped out I think. And if you don't have a girlfriend (I honestly wouldn't be surprised with this being /. and all), that kind of mindset will work against you if you try to get one. Trust me, I speak from first hand experience. Porn is great but it can and will cause you to have unrealistic expectations for women in real life.

Re:ugh (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947530)

Yeah, god forbid a woman have any imperfections on her. I understand this is porn and its supposed to be fantasy where all women are perfect but come on...Honestly, if my beautiful girlfriend didn't have a few small imperfections on her I'd be a little creeped out I think. And if you don't have a girlfriend (I honestly wouldn't be surprised with this being /. and all), that kind of mindset will work against you if you try to get one. Trust me, I speak from first hand experience. Porn is great but it can and will cause you to have unrealistic expectations for women in real life.

Contrary to popular belief, there are those of us on /. who surprisingly enough, are married and have families. It isn't always wise to assume you're talking to some college kid.

Anyway, to address your points:

1) SD porn covers up the cellulite, the sagging, the tiredness, etc. With the ridiculously clear picture HD shows, all of these signs of aging are perfectly visible. It's not just me who doesn't want to see this, the actors themselves take issue with it.

2) people have different tastes.

3) have a nice day.

Re:ugh (5, Funny)

Bootvis (913169) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947730)

"Trust me, I speak from first hand experience."

Urgh! ... Must ... Not ... Make ... Joke

Re:ugh (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947504)

it is not that bad, actually.

Re:ugh (1, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947668)

Wow, with this resolution I can even spot the silicone leaks!

-Eric

Re:ugh (2, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947694)

no way do I want to see any of these "actors" in HD, either format.

I take it you've never had sex with a real woman with the lights on... Or maybe a woman at all.

If it bothers you that much why don't you watch Hentai or Real Doll films.

Seriously if imperfections gross out most of the fellows on Slashdot, I don't think any of you people really go on dates that much or maybe that most of you only have sex when completely drunk. God forbid you ever look at a real women. Much less one that isn't on a fuzzy VHS video.

Re:ugh (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947748)

Here's an idea, let's make generalizations about people we don't know.

I take it you've never had sex with a real woman with the lights on... Or maybe a woman at all.

Awesome burn man! You sure showed me!

Re:ugh (1)

DJCacophony (832334) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947958)

You need to learn the difference between a generalization and an ascertainment based on provided evidence. The GP is the latter.

Where is the evidence? (1)

hummassa (157160) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948614)

AFAICT, at least 1/4 of /.ers are like me -- 30-40yo, married, with kids. There are few women, it's true, but the male population is not _all_ pimple-faced college kids anymore.

Re:ugh (2, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948442)

Seriously if imperfections gross out most of the fellows on Slashdot, I don't think any of you people really go on dates that much or maybe that most of you only have sex when completely drunk.

Well, that might be a bit of an exaggeration. Many of us, I'm sure, have been gotten laid more than a few times, and not only while drunk.

It's not so much that the slightest imperfection on a woman is a disgusting thing. That's absurd. But, when you're watching porn on a large display (eg, my 43" TV), when they zoom in on parts, and they end up being rendered at 2 feet or so high, you're seeing it *way* bigger than you would in real life.

The only way to get the analogue to a 2 foot high vagina is to basically take a very large magnifying glass and closely inspect the parts in question. And, truthfully, under that level of magnification, nobody is going to come out favourably.

And, really, seeing someone's bung-hole magnified many times is scary enough. Do it in exceedingly high resolution, and there is a certain "ick-factor" to high definition and large displays. Because you're seeing detail on a level your own eye wouldn't be able to discern.

I'm all in favour of porn, I just thing seeing it in HD is going to be a little jarring in places. Unfortunately, at those resolutions and scales, any imprefection is going to be many dozens of times bigger and more noticeable than it would be in real life. And way more scary.

Cheers

Re:ugh (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948522)

I take it you've never had sex with a real woman with the lights on... Or maybe a woman at all.

I don't know if the effect is due to the studio lighting, simple enlargement, or the color gamut of the television, but razor burn and pimples stand out about ten times as much on screen as they do in real life. Hell, you can witness that effect in SD. The combination of that and having a pimple five inches across on the extreme close-up is simply not favorable.

Re:ugh (1)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947826)

hi there, did anyone call for a really hair HD plumber?

You've probably already seen them in HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17948254)

no way do I want to see any of these "actors" in HD, either format.

I know it's fascinating to speculate about what high resolution horrors of physical imperfection might be revealed by a 1920x1024 screen... but think about it for just a minute. That's only two megapixels. You may have never seen that in a porn video before, but if you go to a porn website or pick up a nudie magazine you'll probably find higher resolution still pictures, and behold, even the un-photoshopped pics are horror-free. Some porn stars are actually as attractive as average people; some even more so!

There may be some less photogenic stars who won't make it in a porn industry equipped with less blurry video cameras, but if anything their departures will just bring up the average for the cast who remain.

I'm proud to say, bring on the high-def porn! Wait, what am I thinking, I'm not proud of being eager to watch more porn... where's that "post anonymously" checkbox?

Re:ugh (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948342)

Sure you don't want to see all of those great prison tattoos on the male actors in HD?

I look forward to seeing HD pubic razor burn.

Re:ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17948364)

so what you are saying is that you download your porn instead of buy it for your TV...

Too Much Control (5, Insightful)

MrSteveSD (801820) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947172)

Porn or not, I find it quite worrying that Sony is able to dictate who is allowed to print films onto Blu-ray. If indeed that is the situation.

Lockout chip business model (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947212)

Porn or not, I find it quite worrying that Sony is able to dictate who is allowed to print films onto Blu-ray. If indeed that is the situation.

Is it significantly more worrying than that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are able to dictate who is allowed to print games designed to be played on a television onto discs?

Re:Lockout chip business model (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947800)

Yes, it is a big concern, since it is highly likely that Blu-Ray or HD-DVD will become a standard, replacing DVDs (I know, there is change that they will both fail, and we can only hope).

If you can not see a problem, with one company, like Sony, deciding that certain films are not ok, then you should think long and hard again.

Re:Too Much Control (2, Informative)

montyzooooma (853414) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947234)

Last time this was raised I think it was agreed that Sony had said they would produce BR porn discs but that there was nothing stopping other production facilities with the appropriate equipment from producing them. The implication in the synopsis that porn companies are reverse-engineering BR is cute but inaccurate. Sony will let you make BR porn just not at their facilities.

Re:Too Much Control (4, Insightful)

badasscat (563442) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947242)

Porn or not, I find it quite worrying that Sony is able to dictate who is allowed to print films onto Blu-ray. If indeed that is the situation.

It's not. Sony has unequivocally denied a prohibition of porn, yet it still gets parroted as fact all over the place (including on slashdot). Here: http://gear.ign.com/articles/756/756148p1.html [ign.com]

Be sure you read the update near the bottom for the quote from Sony.

AVN didn't find a "workaround" for Blu-Ray - that's just spin, as is pretty much everything else the porn industry says. Why would we not believe their sales numbers but we do believe they've somehow "reverse-engineered" Blu-Ray?

Re:Too Much Control (5, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947368)

Read the language of the article and the denial carefully. The claim was that "Sony has pressured [emphasis mine] Blu-ray disc manufacturers not to produce any media for pornography, threatening revocation of licenses for failure to comply." So, Sony is perfectly correct in stating that they don't outright prohibit porn on Blu-ray. However, they do seem to be pressuring the manufacturing facilities not to press them, and refusing to license their own manufacturing facilities for porn (and, possibly, even threatening to revoke the licenses of manufacturers). While that's not an outright prohibition, it's a pretty clear message to the porn industry.

-Eric

Re:Too Much Control (1)

derrickh (157646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947882)

Yes it is. Theres a difference in what Sony says in a press release and what they tell thier manufacturing partners. Sony says 'we wont stop porn' to the media. But then a rep goes to a replication plant and reminds the owner that Sony would not be happy if any 'unrated' material were to be printed. The message is sent.

Porn execs are typically sleazy and untrustworthy, but for some reason, I believe them over Sony this time.

D

Re:Too Much Control (0, Troll)

jidar (83795) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948060)

Looks like we've got a Kool-aid drinker here.

Re:Too Much Control (2, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947822)

I really don't think Sony has that much control over Blu-Ray. It seems to be a very popular misconception, but it's not Sony's to control. Blu-Ray was formed by an alliance of all the Japanese electronics makers except for NEC/Toshiba.

the masses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947196)

"...porn will go where the masses go."

Well the masses go where porn goes. Causality loop, anyone?

Re:the masses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947316)

Causality loop, anyone?

No if is porn is not a loop is a 69.

Re:the masses? (1)

ubrgeek (679399) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947392)

You know, I'm convinced that this Internet thing is a fad. Just as soon as the masses get tired of porn, the Internet will go away ... ;)

Re:the masses? (1)

oh_bugger (906574) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947410)

what is this "tired of porn" you speak of?

axis of pron (3, Funny)

tomblag (1060876) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947202)

took over years ago

Darn it (2, Funny)

MyNameIsEarl (917015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947224)

And here I was waiting for the first shot to be fired across someone's bow.

Re:Darn it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947452)

sounds like a porn metaphor if ever i heard one!

Close but no cigar.. (3, Funny)

The Creator (4611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947512)

And here I was waiting for the first shot to be fired across someone's brow.

Keeping u informed (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947236)

HOLLYWOOD, Florida (CNN) -- An autopsy will be conducted on Friday to help determine the cause of Anna Nicole Smith's death, according to the Broward County medical examiner's office.

Smith died Thursday at a South Florida hospital after being discovered unconscious in her hotel room. The reality TV star, Playboy playmate and former Guess model was 39.

The autopsy was scheduled to start between 9 and 9:30 a.m. ET Friday. Preliminary results were expected later Friday.

Smith's death came less than five months after the birth of her daughter and the death of her 20-year-old son. (Watch Smith's improbable journey through life )

One of two men involved in a paternity dispute over Smith's daughter is seeking a DNA sample, and a hearing also is set for Friday morning.

Smith checked into the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida, on Monday with her lawyer and boyfriend, Howard K. Stern.

Smith's private nurse called hotel workers at 1:38 p.m. Friday, and security officials went to the room, Seminole Police Chief Charlie Tiger said.

Before rescue workers arrived, Smith's bodyguard performed CPR on her, Tiger said. She was taken to Memorial Regional Hospital in Hollywood, where she was pronounced dead at 2:49 p.m. (Watch chief describe the rescue effort )

Late Thursday, police told CNN the hotel room where Smith was found had been cleared. Police carried bags of evidence out of the building.

Smith's attorney, Ron Rale, told reporters his client had been suffering from flulike symptoms for the last couple of days. (Watch what might have led to Smith's death )

"We are saddened and heartbroken by my sister's death. No matter what our differences have been over the years, Anna was still our blood and she will be missed terribly," Smith's sister, Donna Hogan, said in a statement Thursday.

"She was a woman who was determined to get out of her small town in Texas and make a name for herself."

Hogan went on to say that the death of Smith's son last year "left her deeply saddened, a sadness she hid from everyone." Dannielynn Hope "is now without a mother," Hogan wrote.

In September, Smith gave birth to Dannielynn Hope in the Bahamas. Her son, Daniel, was found dead in his mother's hospital room days later.

A life of celebrity and tribulations

Smith was known as much for her sometimes-turbulent life off-camera as she was for her show-business endeavors. (Smith rose to fame after dropping out of school)

The former topless dancer in Houston, Texas, made her first appearance in Playboy in 1992, was named Playmate of the Year in 1993 and appeared in Guess jeans ads and movies.

In 2002, Smith launched a reality television program, "The Anna Nicole Show," on the E! Entertainment network. At one point, it was the network's highest-rated program.

She shocked many in 1994 by marrying 89-year-old Texas oil magnate Howard Marshall II, who had an estate valued at $1.6 billion. He died the next year, and until her death Smith waged a legal battle over the inheritance that included a 2006 U.S. Supreme Court ruling.

"It's way too early for me to even guess what's going to happen in terms of other claims on behalf of the child," said Rusty Hardin, a Houston attorney who represents the Marshall family.

Earlier this week, Smith was included in a class-action lawsuit against TrimSpa, a company for which she was a spokeswoman in commercials and ads touting her weight loss.

TrimSpa makes a product it claims leads to substantial weight loss. The lawsuit alleges the marketing of the product, TrimSpa X32, was false or misleading. (Full story)

Smith also was embroiled in a dispute over the paternity of Dannielynn Hope.

Larry Birkhead, an entertainment reporter and photographer who has claimed to be the girl's father, will be filing an emergency order to obtain DNA samples to determine paternity, said his attorney, Debra Opri.

Smith and Stern have both said that Stern is Dannielynn's father. Stern has said the couple planned to marry, but it was unclear whether they had. (Full story)

Rale said he would be in court to oppose the DNA order. A hearing is set for 8:30 a.m.

"On the instructions of the experts, we had to move in for a DNA order tomorrow morning, and we're going in for that," Opri said.

On news of Smith's death, Opri said Birkhead was "inconsolable." "He has lost the mother of his child, and he has lost a woman he loved very much," she said.

Huh? (3, Insightful)

Hao Wu (652581) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947254)

What is the point of putting something that looks like 8mm film on HD, BluRay, or DVD for that matter?

Re:Huh? (1)

und0 (928711) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947444)

What is the point of putting something that looks like 8mm film on HD, BluRay, or DVD for that matter?

Err, i think this one is a remake...

Re:Huh? (2, Funny)

organgtool (966989) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947456)

Because it's in HIGH DEFINITION! You're probably the kind of guy who buys stereo amps with volumes knobs that stop at 10.

Re:Huh? (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947532)

I imagine they're talking about the new "Debbie Does Dallas" series(es), especially given that Vivid didn't make the original series.

Re:Huh? (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947596)

What is the point of putting something that looks like 8mm film on HD, BluRay, or DVD for that matter?

You obviously don't watch porn, especially not porn that has been placed on HD-DVD already. If you are watching porn and it's 8mm quality, then you're watching amateur pornos that aren't what people are talking about here.

We rented some movie that was a direct rip off of Pirates of the Caribbean and the case contained both HD-DVD and DVD. It was some high quality stuff including CGI.

Re:Huh? (1)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947706)

What is the point of putting something that looks like 8mm film on HD, BluRay, or DVD for that matter?

PROFIT !
Everyone will be getting rid of their super 8 projectors, betamaxes, vcrs, and regular old dvd-players, and will
need new copies of everything on the new format, of course. How many of you bought a CD of something
that you previously owned on vinyl or tape?
They need to keep people locked in to "devices", and "formats". etc.
And that is how "THE MAN" keeps you down.

Raise Your Hand if... (5, Funny)

ironring2006 (968941) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947256)

FTFA...Now you've got Google and you type in 'amputee sex' or whatever you want.

Let's get a show of hands to see how many people googled that. No? Legs? Anyone?

Re:Raise Your Hand if... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947416)

I suddenly feel a strange urge to go rent the movie Crash [imdb.com] . Is that wrong?

-Eric

Re:Raise Your Hand if... (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948052)

I have no mod points so I'm going to have to risk karma to say... I love you.

(Assuming you're an amputee yourself of course ;))

Re:Raise Your Hand if... (1)

Wolvie MkM (661535) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948520)

Sigh...

Refusal? (4, Informative)

dysfunct (940221) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947284)

Didn't Sony already claim that this is not true? As far as I understand it they have no intentions and/or means to prohibit the licensing or sub-licensing of pornography even though they themselves won't press or publish it. Details see here. [eetimes.com]

I also believe Vivid's claims that the revenue of the porn industry is grossly overestimated. Yet having worked at an adult media shop and reseller I know that even though there might not be that much profit to be made there's a still a damn high volume of discs sold. And this is the important factor in this whole discussion: there might be less market share in terms of profit but higher market share in terms of media sold.

Well... (2, Interesting)

NXprime (573188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947286)

The 'masses' are going on the internet and ditching newspapers, magazines, music cd's, dvd's, boxed games and applications. To me it seems silly to even bother buying porn on DVD. Porn is what is expanding the popularity of the internet and so must be considered the logical choice as the next major format.

Too much crack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947300)

Porn Industry May Not Decide Format War

They seem to manufacture their own Blu-Ray to avoid Sony censorship _AND_ licensing fees.

Get your head checked dude. They are clearly QUALIFIED to decide the format war.

And no matter how much you hate porn. They WILL decide the format war.

End of story. Nothing to see... Move along...

Sorry, but the adult corps haven't a clue (4, Interesting)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947308)

I'm a very sex positive guy and have a total of 4 porno DVDs. These sit happily out in plain view within my collection of over 300 DVDs.
Being that I am an above average DVD consumer, I really don't see where the Adult Entertainment Industry thinks they have any real clout in the DVD market.
In fact, the only real use of a HD-DVD or BluRay disc I see that makes good sense for the adult sector is bundling movies in Standard Definition together on one disc to try to bolster disc sales I would imagine would be waning due to broadband video download becoming more obiquitous.

The very notion of the adult sector claiming that they are somehow driving global DVD sales... that's a laughable notion at best.
It really makes me wonder just how much drugs those guys shove up their nose in a day.

Re:Sorry, but the adult corps haven't a clue (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947506)

I really don't see where the Adult Entertainment Industry thinks they have any real clout in the DVD market.

Well, they like people to think they do, that's for sure. And it's an urban legend that just can't die. If you think of it in the sort of memetic sense, the whole "porn determines the course of technology" idea is perfectly adapted for survival in America. Too many people want to believe that it's true for the absurdity of the notion to stop them from doing so.

So yeah, the interesting issue isn't why pornmongers pretend to be bigshots; that's obviously in their best interest. The interesting issue is why so many people believe it, despite the fact that almost nobody you talk to even knows anyone who owns more porn DVDs than non-porn DVDs.

Re:Sorry, but the adult corps haven't a clue (3, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947742)

Being that I am an above average DVD consumer, I really don't see where the Adult Entertainment Industry thinks they have any real clout in the DVD market.

I think you misunderstand. I don't think it's the adult industry claiming they have an exceedingly large amount of clout.

It's everyone pointing out that, historically, porn was a factor in deciding new media decisions and adoption. Initially, Sony wouldn't allow adult titles on Beta, and it's popularity in VHS contributed to the success of that format.

This isn't the adult industry going around saying "all your base are belong to us", it's analysts and pundits saying that, in the past, they have played a large part. This whole thread is the someone from the adult industry saying "umm, it will be the consumers who decide this, not us".

But, it is an inescapable fact that an incredible amount of porn is sold on DVDs each year, and, it rivals the Hollywood system in terms of volume and moneys involved. And, it's probably big enough to influence the number and type of players being sold.

Cheers

Re:Sorry, but the adult corps haven't a clue (1)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947862)

I agree completly and would like to add have always wanted to add the following: This is the age of the inetrnet, like anyone needs to go in to a sketchy store anymore to buy pr0n.

Re:Sorry, but the adult corps haven't a clue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17948340)

yeah, but lots of people will still buy porn as an excuse to go into the sketchy store and 'preview' it in the dollar booths with a non-passable tranny.

Re:Sorry, but the adult corps haven't a clue (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948278)

I think you'll find that the porn industry survives more more on the rental market than on purchases. A whole heck of a lot of people are not going to OWN porno DVD's, but if they go to the video store (or whatever Netflix equivalent) and rent them frequently, it does make a big difference which format it's in.

ya'll are missing the point (5, Funny)

dgr73 (1055610) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947326)

HD porn may actually finally be the porn that's good for relationships. Once you see the "actors" in glorious HD, your girlfriend/wife suddenly starts to look a whole lot more appealing.

Re:ya'll are missing the point (0, Flamebait)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947776)

Oddly enough, I've never had a preference for women in pr0n compared to real people I know. Maybe I just have some common sense, eh?

Of Course! (4, Insightful)

pdaoust007 (258232) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947346)

Porn is only but one factor in who will win the format war. In the early 80's porn really made a difference in the Beta vs. VHS war because there was such a large demand for people to be able to enjoy porn in the comfort of their own homes. That was a huge driver and made a difference in VHS toppling Beta.

Fast-forward to today, does anybody think that the driver for HD Porn is as strong as being able to watch porn in your own house back then? It's not... So even though porn may be a factor in the blu-ray vs. HD-DVD war, it certainly won't play as big as a role as it did back int he 80's when it was Beta vs. VHS.

All these porn studios won't be able to ignore the millions of PS3's out there for long if there is in deed a market for this kind of stuff so in the end, like Vivid, they will find a way to bring porn to Blu-Ray if they have a chance of making a profit that way.

Re:Of Course! (1)

ACMENEWSLLC (940904) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947584)

HD-DVD $399;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82 E16882116085 [newegg.com]

BluRay $599;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Subm it=ENE&N=2000140489+1256422411&Subcategory=489&des cription=&Ntk=&srchInDesc= [newegg.com]

This will determine what wins. When at Walmart I can buy a HD-DVD player for $39 and a Bluray for $49, I will pick the HD-DVD to save $10. That's the market.

Add to the fact that I can watch adult entertainment on the HD-DVD and I'm even more less likely to purchase Bluray.

Re:Of Course! (1)

burnetd (90848) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947718)

It seems that not every one is like you. In every market that the PS3 is available, Blu-Ray discs are out selling HD-DVD. When the PS3 hits Europe next month, HD-DVD will be all but finished as an alternative format.

Re:Of Course! (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948558)

It wouldn't surprise me if quite a few people are buying PS3s only because they happen to be (right now) the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market.

Translation (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947354)


With Blu-ray [versus] HD-DVD, porn will go where the masses go.'"


Basically he's saying that they see no real need to choose/anoint a particular format now anyway, as they, just like everyone else, acknowledges that the DVD->HD jump is nothing compared to the VHS->DVD jump. So when, and if, a format takes hold and gains momentum, they'll just ride the wave. They have little to nothing to gain by selecting a camp now.

Porn doesn't matter in this one. (1)

Rew190 (138940) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947356)

The vast majority of it is transmitted over the internet. With just about everyone having broadband now, it's cheaper, easier, and more private. There's likely already hi-def stuff porn available anyhow, so these new formats aren't bringing anything new to the table.

All this talk... (1)

urbanradar (1001140) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947396)

...about the porn industry having the power to decide the format war never convinced me in the first place.

Yes, it is said that the porn industry were largely responsible for VHS beating Betamax, even though the latter was technically superior. But that wasn't the only factor. Keep in mind -- Sony was incredibly restrictive of its format, whereas VHS licensing was much more liberal, so most VCR manufacturers opted to produce equipment for VHS. That's a pretty important point too.

Also, keep in mind, although the porn industry may have had a certain influence on the whole process back in the day -- that was (mainly) in the 1980s. Back then, there was no internet. I'm certain that many if not most people who would have been in the market for porn tapes back then would just download it nowadays.

Re:All this talk... (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947810)

Indeed, changing tapes halfway through a movie was never a big sell for Betamax either. Especially when, well you know...

I'm Psychic! (0, Redundant)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947424)

In January 11th's discusion on Adult Film Industry Chooses HD-DVD [slashdot.org]

I had posted a comment entitled Sure... lets just trust what the porn guys say [slashdot.org] predicting ALL of this early in the thread. It was not well moderated mostly I believe because at the time most Slashdotters wanted to HATE SONY so much they wanted to believe SONY would be insane enough to block all Porn on Blu-Ray.

With Disney a strong Blu-Ray backer they just didn't want to be seen as a strong porn advocate. All this crap about SONY forbidding Porn was just the Porn industry trying to swing the format war for monetary reasons. I'm surprised this article took so long to surface on Slashdot as the refutation of the no-porn-claims came within a day or two of the discussion mentioned.

Hmmmm, are I-told-you-sos get moderated +5 Insightful or -5 Troll?

Beta vs. VHS (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947482)

Can't remember where I read this (so no sources top site), but when Beta and VHS had thier format war, the porn industry used VHS. The porn industry will probably have an unseen (rubber) hand in this format war whether they like it or not.

Sweet (1)

organgtool (966989) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947500)

I don't know why everyone seems to object to high-def porn. I personally look forward to being able to see actual strains of STD viruses crawling around on the actors.

More of the Same from Sony (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947522)

I can only hope that Blu-Ray goes the way of Betamax, MiniDisc, and PSP Movies. It seems that Sony has a habit of developing good standards for media, but they don't gain market dominance because Sony holds on too tightly to them.

May / Might (1)

asifyoucare (302582) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947540)

Who said they may not decide?

Perhaps they might.

Debbie Does Dallas? (1)

SunTzuWarmaster (930093) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947676)

So...will the original Debbie Does Dallas from 1978 be in high def? Um...no... Clearly a movie from the 70s will decide the winner of the high-definition format war.

I'm sorry..."Debbie Does Dallas"? (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947722)

Isn't that like, 30 years old? Is there nothing more up-to-date that is worth remastering? What's next, "The Devil and Mrs. Jones"? or, how about "Fritz the Cat"?

Re:I'm sorry..."Debbie Does Dallas"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17948062)

Behind the Green Door?

They've already decided (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947760)

I suspect the adult industry does decide the format war, and that the decision indirectly came before either format was even released. You can today get any kind of porn, in any kind of media (including, but not limited to, images, text, spoken word, interactive games and movies) online for low or no cost, quickly obviating the need for cassettes or magazines sent in plain envelopes.

I would say that this by itself makes for a steep hill for either format to climb to acceptance, and it may well be the straw that causes neither format to ever gain the critical mass of users needed for it to become ubiquitous.

You guys have the wrong end of the stick. (1)

sam991 (995040) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947768)

Yes, the revenue model is moving online and the majority of porn probably is downloaded nowadays. But that's irrelevant since we're talking HD here. People aren't going to be downloading 25-30GB movies to their hard drive all that often. Especially since 5 1/4" HD/BD drives are both expensive and hard to come (since they don't plan to keep them on their HDD's indefinitely). We won't see the early adopters for porn that we will for mainstream and so the porn industry will be a deciding factor. Maybe not as large as in the Betamax/VHS war but still an important factor.

It's not about the format, BR or HD... (1)

NavyTim (1060580) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947824)

All that matters is that the great porn soundtrack music (bom-chick-bow-bow) is in 5.1 Digital Surround Sound!

Re:It's not about the format, BR or HD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947924)

Excellent - and will the soundtrack be DRM-free?

It's not "MSNBC" reporting anything (1)

remove office (871398) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947918)

MSNBC Reports that...

It's not MSNBC "reporting" anything. It's Newsweek; they both share the MSN domain because Newsweek (owned by the Washington Post Company) has a deal with Microsoft (hence the MSN.com) in the same way that NBC does (MSNBC; NBC News doesn't have its own website because of their deal with Microsoft, there's just the MSNBC one). To say that "MSNBC is reporting" such and such is like saying that "Yahoo! News is reporting" when it's actually the Associated Press or Reuters.

Vader's take on the format war (1)

derrickh (157646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17947968)

Do not underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force.

D

smellovision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17947988)

The next great leap in television technology will be hte smell-o-vision. I can't wait to smell my favorite 70's porn

Again? (1)

Warg! The Orcs!! (957405) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948002)

I surely can't be the only one bored rigid by this 'debate'

So what they're saying is... (1)

TimTheFoolMan (656432) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948056)

...Debbie goes both ways? (Blu-ray and HD-DVD)

Tim

How the porn industry can easily "win over" Sony. (1)

bumptehjambox (886036) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948058)

I believe that Sony is really playing hardball with the multi-billion dollar porn industry for a very simple reason, they want exclusive access to all of the soiled used panties that accumulate after filming. Once these Japanese men's panty hunger can be satiated, the format war will be over... heck, in that case, maybe all war will be over?

Format Wars (1)

3t3rn4l (204282) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948114)

I just wonder how long it will take for an OEM to make a drive/player that will support both Blue Ray and HD-DVD. This really seems similar to "Will DVD+R or DVD-R win?"; film at 11. Move along, nothing to see here...

AACS, HDCP and sperm sample required (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17948118)

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray? Do you really want to put up with DRM issues to watch porn? Confirm your identity with AACS LA, your validation key with Microsoft, and your DRM spyware with Sony? Privacy is dead, indeed.

If the Wikipedia artical on AACS is any indication, they even have a good idea of Muslix64's real identity now. (He compained about AACS to the same cryptographer/security expert using his real name....)

Porn decided the next format like 2 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17948164)

porn has already decided what the next format will be sometime ago...the internet.

digital future of industry - necessarily sick? (1)

_7miracles (1060534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948230)

I cannot tell that I'm exactly a big "enthusiast" or even porno consumer, but I am thinking how long it will take to see (not like I really care!) the indistinguishability real, or even "better" than real, computer generated video where the original live "model(s)" passed through special sofisticated filter/beautifier, correcting the original till the level absolutely unreal perfection excellence in sense of body constitution, movements, grace, skin tone and structure, and environment texture? So far, such rendering is very time and resource-consuming process, even if you use huge computer grid. But, with the last advances with hardware and processing power, it could change dramatically.

Something, recreated from your childhood dreams, as for example, a beauty emerging from water, with ambient sound of running stream, the babble of some exotic birds. I mean it's not necessarily should be something dirty and could be really poetic.

May be I contradict myself, but it's like the Song of Songs (Canticum canticorum), and nothing to do with porno industry at all.

The natural beauty of semi-naked or even naked woman body is very poetic, and could extinguish hard porno, brutality, sadism.
Unfortunately, no doubt the future "producers" will come up with new "advances" in sick and degenrative development of agony, torment, blood, and sadism, vindicating such stretches of sick imagination by the fact that it is not real, and nobody was hurt in the process of "creativity".

Honestly now... (2, Interesting)

bealzabobs_youruncle (971430) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948236)

who pays for porn these days?

There are only 2 factors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17948374)

And porn probably isn't one of them.
  1. Titles, advantage BD.
  2. Cost, advantage HDDVD.


That's about it. The cost differential is getting smaller and will continue to shrink. I really see it being titles unless someone starts churning out $180 HDDVD players in the next 9 months. It seems like everything is coming out in BD and about 60% are coming out in HDDVD. Am I missing something? What percentage of DVD sales are porn? probably a single digit figure. That's going to offset the entire Disney library in BD? The one other thing I could see changing the shape of it is if someone really sacked up and got creative with some stuff, if I could, say, upgrade and spend an extra $10 when I go to the movie and go home with a BD or HDDVD copy of the movie I just saw (you know, 6 months before it's released to stores) I could see people doing a lot of that. Or some other kind of subsidy, maybe if you have 20 movie tickets you can buy a BD or HDDVD player for the cost of shipping or something like that. Free HDDVD players would probably make a difference.

Porn has already decided the future (1)

Ruprecht the Monkeyb (680597) | more than 7 years ago | (#17948604)

Porn already determined what the future will be, and have implemented it. On-line distribution, DRM-free, streaming or download, use of free trailers and even full movies via bittorrent to drive people to commercial pay sites, etc. They are so far ahead of Sony, et al, that the poor SOBs don't realize that they've already lost.
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