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Vista Followup Already in the Works

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the let-the-corpse-of-xp-cool-first dept.

Windows 482

DesertBlade passed us an InfoWorld article, which has the news that Microsoft is already hard at work on the next version of Windows ... and we may see it as early as 2009. Possibly codenamed Vienna, the next Windows iteration will be coming a brief two and a half years after Vista's launch. This is the same timeframe Microsoft claims it would have utilized for Vista, had they not put Longhorn 'on the back burner' to deal with security issues in XP. Corporate Vice President of Development Ben Fathi is already discussing features for the next OS: "We're going to look at a fundamental piece of enabling technology. Maybe its hypervisors, I don't know what it is ... Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers. It's too early for me to talk about it ... But over the next few months I think you're going to start hearing more and more."

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Fundamentals. (5, Funny)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961598)

We're going to look at a fundamental piece of enabling technology

The power switch?

Re:Fundamentals. (1)

jackharrer (972403) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961780)

More important one: RESET!

Re:Fundamentals. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961786)

I think they mean new software features.

For instance a completely new file system.

Re:Fundamentals. (4, Interesting)

mikeisme77 (938209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961886)

That would be nice... One that doesn't require manual defragmenting the hard drive (everybody else can do it...) But they've been working on a new file system for a few years now and keep pushing it back, so it's kind of going the way of Duke Nukem' Forever...

The new interface/interaction paradigm might be cool, but that should come out of Microsoft Research so they can do proper user experience testing (and not just test like 13 MS employees like they did with the ribbon (this was mentioned on the Office development blog)... The ribbon looks cool, but I find myself digging around for items that I used to just have a small toolbox pop up for or were just on the main toolbar--plus there doesn't appear to be a way to reorganize the ribbon...) The regular MS people just don't have the training/expertise to do much user experience work--I've talked to employees about it at career fairs and such (I'm an HCI major) and most of them don't even know what user experience/usability work really is... And for a company that large and ubiquitous, that's just sad...

Re:Fundamentals. (1, Informative)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961982)

Vista *does* defrag automatically when idle, over-fragmented, 3am(ish) or when it's feeling like it. That said, a slightly more useful filesystem (is WinFS still due with Vista SP1 later this year?) would be lovely.

Re:Fundamentals. (5, Interesting)

mikeisme77 (938209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962100)

So WinFS is finally being released? That was the one I was referring to that's been in development (and delayed) for years now. I've heard mixed thoughts about whether or not it will be better or worse, but we won't know until it's out...

The other thing that might be useful (eventually) is a file system designed to optimize the use of flash drives (not really all that useful with 30 GB flash drives costing a few hundred, but this will likely be very useful in about 2-5 years after the prices have dropped considerably/larger capacity flash drives are available).

Re:Fundamentals. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961880)

Something that sells.

The store I work in is a fairly large one, and has only one competitor within the town and its outlying neighbours. Since Vista launched on the 30th, we've sold all of two copies. A lot of the people that are coming in to look at new PC's or Laptops are deliberately avoiding the ones pre-loaded with vista because of all the horror stories they've heard, and of the two copies of Vista that we've sold, one has come back as unusable (it was the upgrade version of home premium. The owners laptop was running XP Pro. The Home premium upgrade refuses to install over an XP pro installation, and the user doesn't want to upgrade to the business version, and ultimate was delayed, therefore not an immediate option. Why the hell are microsoft turning away sales like that?), and the other user is considering returning it as he can't even get on the net with it, despite have drivers for all of his hardware.

As far as launches go, this one has been pretty pathetic. So far, it seems to have cost us more than it's actually earned.

Delays because of doing other work (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961602)

I always wonder why Microsoft cannot afford to (or just will not) put more manpower on the job.
A company like this should be able to look at security in XP and develop Vista in different teams at the same time, shouldn't it?

Re:Delays because of doing other work (1)

toejam316 (1000986) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961626)

Why be a AC? You seem to forget two things. 1. Microsoft is more or less satan, corprotized, and 2. You have a extremely good point.

Re:Delays because of doing other work (4, Informative)

omicronish (750174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961650)

I always wonder why Microsoft cannot afford to (or just will not) put more manpower on the job. A company like this should be able to look at security in XP and develop Vista in different teams at the same time, shouldn't it?

They do [directions...rosoft.com] . After Windows is finished, the dev team proceeds to work on the next version, while a team called Windows Sustained Engineering takes over the released version. From the link:

Security fixes are not WSE's only concern. In fact, once a version of Windows is released to manufacturing--or declared "golden"--the product team that developed it transfers the source code to the group. WSE then has primary responsibility for any further work over the next seven years (the supported life of the product), including hotfixes, security patches, updates (critical and noncritical), security rollups, feature packs, and service packs.

Re:Delays because of doing other work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961798)

So the This is the same timeframe Microsoft claims it would have utilized for Vista, had they not put Longhorn 'on the back burner' to deal with security issues in XP. in the abstract is just bull?

Re:Delays because of doing other work (5, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962118)

"After Windows is finished, the dev team proceeds to work on the next version, while a team called Windows Sustained Engineering takes over the released version."

And therein lies the problem. There is zero incentive to do it right the first time. After all, once its' out the door, its someone else's problem.

The people who actually wrote it should be responsible for fixing it - not writing the next-gen fuckup.

Re:Delays because of doing other work (5, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961676)

There is no shortage of manpower at Microsoft. There is a severe shortage of vision, and managerial competence.

-jcr

Re:Delays because of doing other work (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961950)

Actually I don't think so. It's just an immensely bureaucratic, huge organization by now.

The *system* prevents all that manpower from delivering great results; being chained they just can't.

Pretty much like Socialism worked out for the Soviets.

Re:Delays because of doing other work (4, Insightful)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961986)

Most likely because dispite Microsoft's reality vortex they still at least have the balls to admit to themselves that software still has not been realized as an engineering discipline. It would be nice if a large software project could be broken out into little modules with clear specifications that any coder could go off and make but it usually can't. Lots of development is very iterative, which means everything is changing. Lots of time stuff just has to be built to see how workable or unworkable it really is in practice; but when I change my interface it breaks your module. Maybe that is a minor problem easy to fix or maybe its a show stopper, how can I know.

Most large projects seem to work best with a few core team people who know basically how everything works at least at some level and can then farm out small clearly defined tasks to others. Their total bandwidth is bound to be limited though and so more 'others' does not always help. Growing the core team won't help much either because communication between them has to be total and constant, that is going to take longer the more specialed and nemerous those guys become.

Look at the Linux kernel for instance. You have Linus and pretty small core team that has different specialties. I know all those core team guys have some familiarity with the entire thing and Linus absoultly does. You can tell that from reading LKN. Maybe Jens is a block layer wizard but he know s how the network and VM layers work. He has to know inorder to mange block layer development well. He then has lots of other people submitting smallish patches and fixes to what is primarily his project.

I think we can reasonably assume that the Linux kernel and core GNU stuffs, includeing things like Gnome, have more developers.[qualified] contributing then M$ can put on windows even if they wanted. While those projects do seem to progress more rapidly then Windows its not by any means in an earth shattering way.

   

Re:Delays because of doing other work (2, Interesting)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962016)

I've never understood why basic apps like the calculator and the character selector etc apps don't receive any love.

They seem like great places were a couple of developers could just be given the job to fix them up. Yet they never seem to improve.

Re:Delays because of doing other work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17962098)

Explain to me why they had to pull quite a resources away from Vista to finish of Windows XP SP2? maybe it's a bit of all the above, or too many chiefs and not enough indians.

mature.

Re:Delays because of doing other work (4, Insightful)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961810)

There's a diminishing return on manpower. There's only so much the operating system can be fragmented, and each group can only be so large. That was part of Vista's problem - too many people having a say.

Re:Delays because of doing other work (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961984)

Yes but surely Vista and XP can be completely fragmented, in that you shouldn't need to have people assigned to Vista pulled from it to work on XP if you're willing to simply hire more people. So either they did throw non-Vista people at XP and the summary is bullshit, or they're not willing to put enough people into their operating systems (which is simply mind boggling).

Manpower doesn't scale (5, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961882)

The more people you put on a project the more managers you require, the more meetings, the more decisions, more designs etc...

Larger code base means more bugs, more test time, more bug fixing teams etc..

You can't put twice as many people at a project and expect twice the work to result from it.

Re:Manpower doesn't scale (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961974)

microsoft reps often cited WinXP problems as reasons why vista was delayed.

What the poster is wondering is why not get more poeple to fix WinXP and more people to work on Vista?

I DONT LIKE SPAM (-1, Offtopic)

mrnick (108356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961604)

I can see it now:

Hormel v Microsoft

Processed meat sausages or bloated operating system?

Nick powers

Purge time (1, Offtopic)

Dobeln (853794) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961614)

Could someone start a petition to purge "enabling" from the english language? Please?

Re:Purge time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961846)

Better yet, to associate it with the Enabling Act [wikipedia.org] whenever it occurs.

Re:Purge time (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961944)

Could someone start a petition to purge "enabling" from the english language? Please?


Disabling enabling? No way.

Re:Purge time (1)

jejones (115979) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962068)

Sorry, that will have to wait until the petition starts to get rid of "empowering."

Subject (5, Insightful)

Legion303 (97901) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961622)

"It's too early for me to talk about it"

Translation: "We haven't figured out who we're going to rip off yet. Probably Apple."

Re:Subject (1)

lewiz (33370) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961686)

Nah, I think that'd be too obvious. They need to rip-off different companies in some sort of random order.

New user paradigm... I'm not sure Apple's user paradigm is still new.

The hypervisor comment is interesting. Lots of people are doing virtualisation: there's VMware, Sun Microsystems, IBM, Xen... the list goes on! But you can be sure that whatever it is, it won't be compatible with any other others.

Re:Subject (0, Troll)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961690)

What choice do they have? Be is out of the picture, and Linux is still playing catch-up to Solaris.

-jcr

Re:Subject (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961802)

linux playing catch up to solaris? on the desktop? are you fucking insane?

Going back to fundamentals... (1)

Todamont (1034534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961706)

Would mean ripping of Xerox again? Anyhow, I want a holographic display.

Re:Subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961890)

Oh, come on you people. It's a competitive market. Tipping off competitors to what they have planned for the future is dangerous. It's freaking *OBVIOUS*.

They don't want to reveal the secrets of the new filesystem they are developing: WinFS.

Re:Subject (1)

gathas (588371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962014)

Simpsons, Talking about new Duff Beer Products at the Brewery: Guide: What does the future hold for us? Heh. Let's just say we have a few ideas up our sleeve. Homer: Like what? Guide: Um, I'd rather not get into it right now. Homer: Why not? Guide: All right, we don't have any ideas for the future. We got nothing. Happy? Homer: [whiny] No. -- So much for innovation, "Duffless"

Re:Subject (2, Funny)

catchblue22 (1004569) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962042)

Vienna really isn't that far away from Cairo.

Alternate Translation (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962044)

"Just don't switch to something else. Longh^H^H^H^H^H Vienna is going to blow you away, seriously."

Vienna (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961632)

This means nothing to me.

Re:Vienna (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961938)

Well I laughed, at any rate.

Alternative names for it? (5, Funny)

Funkcikle (630170) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961636)

I am not too impressed by the name of "Vienna", especially since I happen to like the place.

I think something along the lines of Windows Hindenburg would be more appropriate. Or does anyone have a better name?

Re:Alternative names for it? (2, Funny)

admactanium (670209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961666)

I think something along the lines of Windows Hindenburg would be more appropriate.
Windows Hindenburg. Oh the TRANPARENCY!!

Re:Alternative names for it? (3, Funny)

maharg (182366) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961688)

Windows Titanic, or WinTit for short

Total Information Technology (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962052)

... or TIT.

And while you suck on the TIT, we have you by the motherboard.

That was in Robin Williams's stand-up in 2000, IIRC...

Re:Alternative names for it? (4, Funny)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961696)

Windows Waterloo.

Re:Alternative names for it? (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961726)

Great song. They would only need the A and B keys on the keyboard, too.

Re:Alternative names for it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961700)

New Jersey.

Re:Alternative names for it? (4, Funny)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961764)

It should be changed from "Windows" to "Doors".

Such a change could stop the croocks from trying to break in all the time, everyone knows crooks are too parahnoid to go in through the door.

Re:Alternative names for it? (5, Funny)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962046)

It should be changed from "Windows" to "Doors".

Why not simply "Gates"?

Re:Alternative names for it? (4, Funny)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962092)

Because we'd miss out on all the profits from "Doors" by skipping to "Gates".

Re:Alternative names for it? (1)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961770)

Vista Service Pack 1

Re:Alternative names for it? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961788)

Judging from Vista, we need something that says 'Laughing Stock'.

How about 'Windows Boston'?

Re:Alternative names for it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961822)

Windows ME, 2

A prophecy from the 1980's courtesy Ultravox (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961898)

We walked in the cold air.
Freezing breath on a window pane,
Lying and waiting.
The man in the dark in a picture frame,
So mystic and soulful.
A voice reaching out in a piercing cry,
It stays with you until

The feeling has gone only you and I.
It means nothing to me.
This means nothing to me.
Oh Vienna

Re:Alternative names for it? (1)

frdrx (1062386) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961998)

How about `Windows Guantanamo' or `Windows X-Ray'?

Re:Alternative names for it? (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962008)

Codename Australia. The place where no-one really wants to go but gets forced to go there anyway ;)

Re:Alternative names for it? (1)

dduck (10970) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962078)

Windows Meh. Captures the "wow", and a reference to Windows ME to boot!

Re:Alternative names for it? (1)

jejones (115979) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962084)

Ah, but with that name we can eventually quote Ringo Starr.

"It's all down to goodnight Vienna..."

And when the schedule slips, Eddie Jobson's "Disturbance in Vienna" can play in the background of news stories and podcasts about it.

already hard at work eh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961646)

how is that possible? Vista hasn't even really hit the market yet... outside of some large businesses and anone who bought a computer recently, no one has it...

Re:already hard at work eh? (1)

omicronish (750174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961742)

how is that possible? Vista hasn't even really hit the market yet... outside of some large businesses and anone who bought a computer recently, no one has it...

Vista RTM'd back in November 2006, and was available to TechNet subscribers and businesses later that month. After finishing coding it's not like the devs are tasked with running Vista marketing, getting the CDs pressed, and scurrying out into the world like little ants to spread Vista. No, they instead do developer work, like planning and coding for their next project. (And if you're wondering who does patches and service packs, it's a different team [directions...rosoft.com] .)

Re:already hard at work eh? (2, Interesting)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961762)

I'm not so sure of that, vista adoption has been faster than Windows 2000 adoption in american business ( http://news.com.com/Report+Vistas+business+sales+s tronger+than+expected/2100-1016_3-6149468.html [com.com] ) to be honest thats going to drive sales. Most people I know like things to be the same, My pa uses outlook 2002 in work and refuses to upgrade to 2003, I can name several other family/friends who use a set OS/Office apps in work and so use the exact same ones at home (sometimes newer if the UI isn't much different.)

Vista's adoption rate has surprised me, only two other tech savy people I know have got it and yet the store in which I work is filled with new upgraders, a online group I'm part of has formed a vista discussion group and even a few of my university mates have also made the plunge. To be honest its worrying, I upgraded because I found one or two features useful and got too used to ribbons (from running the beta of Office) many people have upgraded because the people on the news have been going on about how wonderfuull Vista is.

I was doubtful that Microsoft would get 100 million copies of Vista out the door by the end of the year, but am not so sure now. BTW does anyone have and idea of the number of activations of Vista so far?

"Maybe its hypervisors" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961658)

Maybe it's a hypervisor that lets folk use your OS without it touching their hardware, putting anti-user technologies back under control of the user. Maybe that's how people wanted to run vista. So why is it prohibited to run low end versions under virtulization or hardware emulation? FWIW, all x86 cpus microcode the x86 instructions. They are all emulated hardware as prohibited by the EULA.

Great, they know they've got a dud (4, Insightful)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961668)

Another Windows in two years, why bother upgrading?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect [wikipedia.org]

Re:Great, they know they've got a dud (1)

thunrida (950858) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962004)

Keep in mind this is MS - new version will be delayed and have all advanced features removed.

allow me to translate... (5, Funny)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961672)

"Maybe its hypervisors, I don't know what it is ... Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers. It's too early for me to talk about it "

"we got nothing, someone think something up quick so we can steal it."

"you're going to start hearing more and more" (2)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961678)

you're going to start hearing more and more

And you'd better going to start forgetting pretty fast too, since what you'll hear probably ain't going to be what you'll get. Or maybe it will. Or not. Well, after the last few years of windows feature hypes, it's hard to believe anything. That is, if you care to even bother.

Re:"you're going to start hearing more and more" (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962028)

I think people can hope for the features they advertised in Longhorn to appear in the next Windows. They can at least hope.

Why announce now? (4, Interesting)

GBC (981160) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961680)

I have used Windows as my main OS for around 13 or 14 years, ever since boxing up my old Amiga (*sniff*). I am now pretty happy with XP, like I imagine most Windows customers are. I really like the look of Office 2007 and will probably end up buying it, but I don't need to upgrade to Vista to use it.

I just don't understand why they are announcing this new version so soon after the release of Vista. The reviews I have been reading about Vista already make me think twice about wanting to upgrade; now that I know they are bringing in another OS in a few years' time what is the incentive for a typical MS customer like me to upgrade? Surely it is better to wait and see what they come up with next.

For those that do want to upgrade there is already a built-in lag before doing so anyway (at least for the sensible ones), either because they need to buy new hardware or because they will not install a new OS without some of the early bugs being ironed out and a service pack being released.

If we assume that MS actually delivers this new OS on time (which is a big if) there is not that long a wait between the time after lag for people to upgrade to Vista and the time this is released. Won't this reduce uptake on Vista? After all, if we are already happy with XP, why not wait?

Anyone already using Vista care to comment?

Re:Why announce now? (1, Interesting)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961710)

I just don't understand why they are announcing this new version so soon after the release of Vista.

Mainly because everyone knows what a disappointment Vista turned out to be, and to retain customers they have to pretend that something better is less than five years away.

2007 will be remembered as the peak of Microsoft. They have nothing but a long decline ahead of them.

-jcr

Re:Why announce now? (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961942)

Come now, predictions of Microsoft's demise are so... mid to late 90s!

Re:Why announce now? (1)

omicronish (750174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961760)

I just don't understand why they are announcing this new version so soon after the release of Vista.

What do you expect the developers to do in the meantime? Just sit around and wait until customers start demanding a new version before working on it? Whether they announce it or not, they're going to work on the next version. It'd be silly to just sit still.

This just in... (2, Insightful)

Zouden (232738) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961708)

Company developing new product!

Is anyone surprised by this? I bet people at Apple are already working on the successor to Leopard, which isn't even out yet. This is the way things are done.

first post (-1, Redundant)

0232793 (907781) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961722)

first post!!! yippeee!!!!

Re:first post (3, Insightful)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961784)

I think you've got some network latency problems there.

Re:first post (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962048)

or maybe he layency is so good he was able to post after reading your reply and still have it hit slashdot before yours did.

Pay again? (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961730)

Do Windows users have to pay for the upgrade to the 'new windows' by that time?

Just curious.

Re:Pay again? (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962038)

People still have to pay? Wow, I thought Microsoft stopped doing that back in 1998. At least, that's the last time -I- paid.

Unknown features (1, Flamebait)

Pascal Sartoretti (454385) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961736)

Maybe its hypervisors, I don't know what it is ... Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers. It's too early for me to talk about it ...

Of course. They need OS X 10.5's features to be announced first.

Re:Unknown features (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962108)

They usually wait for OSX or linux showing it, than they have to wait for the working linux implementation and about one year after the technology has been in the opensource they announce it for their next Windows as something they invented :-)

What spec will that need?? (1)

10bellies (978724) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961748)

Most computers now are going to struggle to run the bloated POS that is Vista, even the so called 'Vista Ready' models currently being touted.. What the hell sort of Spec will be required for the next MS OS?

Re:What spec will that need?? (0, Flamebait)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962050)

Actually that's all part of Microsoft's plan. Release a buggy as hell OS in 2009 that doesn't actually run on any current hardware. Get people to buy it then 2 years later when the hardware to run it is finally put on the market, release a patch that fixes the piece of shit they published in 2009. That way they get money in 2009 for a product that won't be ready until at least 2011.

Re:What spec will that need?? (1)

10bellies (978724) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962132)

Still waiting for the ME patch...

Re:What spec will that need?? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962104)

Sounds a bit like Windows 95, which almost everybody despised, being closely followed by Windows 98, which everybody seems to have hated. Followed by 2000 (somewhat less hated) and XP which is only loathed.

Maybe in 2 years time they'll come up with something people only dislike... ;-)

I'm sorry but our intelligence says otherwise... (1)

gd23ka (324741) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961750)

The upcoming version of Windows is codenamed "East Berlin".

Re:I'm sorry but our intelligence says otherwise.. (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962012)

Wouldn't "Atlantis" be more appropriate?

East Berlin's bright future (1)

mbaudis (585035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962072)

And then East Berlin is than integrated into the West, and being made capital, again? Jobs instead of Kohl? and Ballmer instead of Honecker? Maybe a bright future, indeed! Also, Allchin (with his love for Macs) as Gorbachev replacement - not quite the format, though.

MS promising too much too early (1)

Aminion (896851) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961752)

the next Windows iteration will be coming a brief two and a half years after Vista's launch.
Is this another impossible deadline by MS? Or maybe this will be a service pack and not a major WIndows update? Anyways, 2.5 is too early for the next version of Windows when Vista will probably take 1-2 years before the major shortcomings are fixed.

New think (3, Insightful)

GreatDrok (684119) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961772)

Hmmm, abject failure to deliver on Longhorn and the fact that two years in they had to dump it because it wasn't going to work and do a simple retread of Windows 2003 with a bit of flashy OS X ripped off graphics is how I remember it. Blaming XP SP2 is simply trying to change history. They made all these great claims about how wonderful Longhorn was going to be and now they are claiming that Apple has copied all their great ideas and delivered them in a working OS while they have dropped most of them because they couldn't make it work. But Apple could. And Apple is the one doing to copying.

How about this for a prediction. The next version of Windows will be late, more of the same, still insecure and a desperate copy of whatever Apple was shipping in 2007.

Huge Mistake (4, Insightful)

bogie (31020) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961776)

To be talking about this now. If this story gains traction then it will just hurt business adoption. Two years is nothing to wait out Vista and XP still works fine. Many small businesses I've personally heard from have not heard great things about Vista, this will scare them off even more. To take a page from Huggy Bear word on the street is...Vista is OK, nothing special and not worth upgrading to. News of Vista's early replacement certainly isn't the method I'd use to try and win people over.

Re:Huge Mistake (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962114)

News of Vista's early replacement certainly isn't the method I'd use to try and win people over.


      No no! You don't understand! See, the sooner they can get the next OS out, the faster they can drop support for XP because after all, it's 2 versions behind and "obsolete". Now you're forced to upgrade. See? ;)

In English? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17961838)

"We're going to look at a fundamental piece of enabling technology. Maybe its hypervisors, I don't know what it is ... Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers."

maybe it's a new version of the English fucking language.

Move along, nothing to see hear (2, Insightful)

Arimus (198136) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961852)

WTF is this a story? Company launches product and starts work on next product. No shit sherlock.... I would suspect that while the new OS moves from the blue-sky phase to getting actual code cut the R&D dept will be work on its replacement....

I suggest... (1)

deathstar778 (743617) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961914)

Windows Nukem Forever.

That I'm sure of. (1)

LuckyStarr (12445) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961920)

"But over the next few months I think you're going to start hearing more and more."

Yeah. More vaporware for the sheep to salivate over.

My guess: To be released 2014.

Double Take (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961930)

At first I thought that read, "Vista Foul-up Already in the Works".

Of course it's in the works! (5, Interesting)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961948)

They've probably been fleshing out the feature list for Vista's successor since the first day a developer copy of OS X 10.5 reached the grubby mitts of a Microsoft employee. Don't expect the real work to start until spring, though, when it's released with its 'top secret' features.

Go ahead and mod me down, bitches, but after this tasty tidbit [itnews.com.au] you know I'm probably right. And they did the same thing to Go Corp, BTW.

~Philly

The Most Important Feature... (2, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961962)

"We're going to look at a fundamental piece of enabling technology. Maybe its hypervisors, I don't know what it is ... Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers. It's too early for me to talk about it ... But over the next few months I think you're going to start hearing more and more."
Oh come on, with a name like Vienna we all know the only major upgrade will be more DRM.
MS and Hollywood want to lock us all up in a tiny little can of DRM control, just like a bunch of Vienna sausages.

It's the 'Russian Education Edition' (1)

photomic (666457) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961978)

featuring Bob, of course, or "Smilin' Ivan" as he's known in Soviet Russia.

In Soviet wherever... (1)

Bucc5062 (856482) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962088)

In Soviet Russia, Ivan smiles at you!
(I'm so sorry, it's early Saturday morning, can't control all brain functions)

Translation... (1)

d0n quix0te (304783) | more than 7 years ago | (#17961988)

We are waiting for Apple to ship Leopard, iLife/iWork 07 and show off the top secret features. 2.5 years should give us enough time to come up with a half baked version of Leopard.

"It's too early for me to talk about it," he added. "But over the next few months I think you're going to start hearing more and more."

Of course you will start hearing more and more after Steve shows his hand ;-)

Maybe.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17962054)

"Maybe its hypervisors, I don't know what it is ... Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers...." Maybe its the linux kernel....

What about blackcomb? (1)

ZZfoxELITE (897076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962076)

What happened to blackcomb? IIRC it was in development before longhorn, and was gonna be released after it. Is Vienna the same project?
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