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Ethernet Creator Makes the Inventors Hall of Fame

CowboyNeal posted more than 7 years ago | from the making-the-grade dept.

Announcements 45

An anonymous reader wrote in with a Network World story that opens, "Ethernet is right up there with magnetic resonance imaging, the LP record, air bags, and soft contact lenses. So says the National Inventors Hall of Fame, which included Bob Metcalfe, inventor of the ubiquitous LAN technology, in its latest round of inductees."

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lol (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17962988)

insert ASCII goatse here

Ah, Xerox PARC ... (4, Insightful)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 7 years ago | (#17962990)

The technology center that gave birth to so many of the corner stones of modern computing ... the mouse GUI, the laser printer (yeah, xerox ...), ethernet and if I may say so - object oriented programming.

I'm not sure what it proves, but it does prove that when you're not thinking about immediate profit, there's so much you can do - but if you don't somebody'll pull the funding on you (and kick themselves years later).

What were they working in the nineties ? IPV6 ?

Re:Ah, Xerox PARC ... (5, Informative)

MECC (8478) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963152)

Douglas Engelbart [wikipedia.org] gets credit for the mouse, the gui, and a whole host of related technology, if not the modern PC as we know it. Not Xerox Parc.

One could argue that he didn't popularize them, but that's not necessarily what invention is about. Besides, neither did Xerox parc.

Re:Ah, Xerox PARC ... (2, Interesting)

Raideen (975130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17967366)

Any geek who does not know Douglas Engelbart should also check out The Mother of All Demos [wikipedia.org] . Just some of the items featured:
  • High speed (300bps) communications
  • Interactive computing (i.e. more than an input (punch cards) output (printer) system)
  • The mouse
  • Hypertext
  • Menu based UI
  • White boards (collaborative computing)
We take all of those for granted these days, but try to imagine being at the demo and not only seeing these items for the first time, but seeing them all together in one demo!

Re:Ah, Xerox PARC ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17968064)

shut up you twit. i love morons who now consider wikipedia to be the final source on information. Read a book

Re:Ah, Xerox PARC ... (1)

MECC (8478) | more than 7 years ago | (#17974870)

For the google/internet challenged among us, here's a non-wikipedia [brown.edu] link.

Warning to AC parent: no flashy games, videos, or porn ads. Just good information. AC's may want to avoid it, as it contains intellectual content.

A well deserved honor (1)

gravesb (967413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963148)

Glad to see him getting the recognition he deserves.

Re:A well deserved honor -- For one of the two (2, Interesting)

phage434 (824439) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963270)

The paper was written by two people, not one. Whatever happened to poor David Boggs, who seems never to be mentioned. Punditry has its place, I guess, if you want to be famous.

I can think of one company who wouldn't be in list (-1, Troll)

itz2000 (1027660) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963150)

Well.. it's Microsoft, and the reason they won't get into inventors Hall of Fame is because :

THEY DIDN'T INVENT ANYTHING!

Re:I can think of one company who wouldn't be in l (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963272)

Yes they did. [slashdot.org]

Too late! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17963166)

Ethernet is available for years now.

I can hardly believe that it has any meaning to be chosen by a "Inventors Hall of Fame" that is so disconnected and lagging behind the Zeitgeist.

Kinda spoilt... (5, Informative)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963196)

...by the fact that in recent years he's reduced to trolling the Internet by making up terms like "Open Sores Movement" [infoworld.com] . From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] :

The Open Source Movement's ideology is utopian balderdash [... that] reminds me of communism. [...] Linux [is like] organic software grown in utopia by spiritualists [...] When they bring organic fruit to market, you pay extra for small apples with open sores -- the Open Sores Movement. When [Windows 2000] gets here, goodbye Linux.

He might have got it right decades ago, but these days, he's just another clueless pundit troll.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (4, Funny)

WS Tu (1045270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963250)

Anyway, it is an article in 1999. IMHO, I like this story more... Metcalf ate his column http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/1997-04/m sg00192.html [merit.edu]

Re:Kinda spoilt... (3, Interesting)

MECC (8478) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963294)

I remember hearing about the inventor/designer of those unbelievably annoying ethernet AUI connector slider clasps apologizing on a forum/list. Anyone remember that?

Re:Kinda spoilt... (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17965736)

I kinda like those slider clasps. They keep UTP adapters firmly attached to my SparcStation IPC's and IPX'es, which is more important to me than a little difficulty using a small flat blade screwdriver to get them loose.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (1)

MECC (8478) | more than 7 years ago | (#17974802)

The problem with the AUI clasps was that they didn't actually keep the AUI connector attached any better than nothing at all, and usually just interfered with plugging in an AUI connector. I was hoping someone had a ref to the guy's apology.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17982002)

I kinda like those slider clasps. They keep UTP adapters firmly attached to my SparcStation IPC's and IPX'es

I've seen some non-standard clasps, where they clip across at each end - those are a bit better that the original, which could easily be levered loose at the unclipped end. If you are using wimpy UTP cable, yeah, it's pretty hard to bend metal with that.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17981918)

Rich Seifert, writing originally in Byte magazine, also quoted by Charles Spurgeon in "Ethernet: The Definitive Guide".

"Personally, I would have saved every Ethernet user a lot of grief by not specifying the dreaded slide latch connector..."

Re:Kinda spoilt... (1)

Lorkki (863577) | more than 7 years ago | (#17964956)

Nice, though if he still stands by his story he's sure to have very sore feet.

when Windows 2000 gets here, goodbye Linux .. (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963352)

'reduced to trolling the Internet by making up terms like "Open Sores Movement"'

It sure is, a bad taste pun that does nothing for his reputation. I wonder how his other prediction is coming along. It is 2007 after all. Maybe Bob is suffering from the halo effect [jamesthornton.com] , wherein both he and others assume he is authoritative on all things.

was Re:Kinda spoilt (Score:4, Insightful)

--

Windows, the OS that made email and browsing dangerous ..

Re:Kinda spoilt... (1)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963356)

Well, he was right. At least about the conclusion. Nothing else was accurate, but his conclusion was right. Linux did not defeat W2K. XP did. Linux continues the fight with XP, and has started making inroads in the server market, but still does not touch the desktop (figuratively speaking - the numbers are too small to contemplate compared to XP). And now Vista is out - will Linux beat Vista? I hope so, but only time will tell.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (4, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963424)

Part of Metcalfe's problem is that - despite his technical qualifications, and the good fortune of having the right idea at the right time (ethernet) - he's an ideologue. Everything he looks at is filtered through his philosophical dogma, and he uses his columns as a bully pulpit to promote that ideology, rather than as an opportunity to explore and consider new ideas. He's got an agenda that gives him the same sort of tunnel vision and myopia that the worst fawning Apple fanboy, snotty Microsoft apologist, or strident BSD partisan has.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (1, Troll)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963578)

So in other words, he's an asshat on the scale of RMS.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (3, Funny)

autophile (640621) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963712)

He's got an agenda that gives him the same sort of tunnel vision and myopia that the worst fawning Apple fanboy, snotty Microsoft apologist, or strident BSD partisan has.

This is slashdot. You left out "...or Linux highly reasonable and well-shaven proponent."

--Rob

Re:Kinda spoilt... (2, Interesting)

uradu (10768) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963880)

> he uses his columns as a bully pulpit to promote that ideology

Which is quite right of center politically, to say the least. Which would be fine if he kept it out of his TECHNOLOGY column, but of course he can't. I remember reading one of his columns back in the late 90s when InfoWorld was still somewhat worth reading, and it was a lunatic rant against Bill Clinton and how he'd met him in person at some junket and had to fight the urge to jump at his jugular--or something to that effect, anyway. That's the problem with a lot of these one-hit-wonders that clamber onto the public stage via some specific talent and then feel qualified to have a publicly worthwhile opinion on everything else. Metcalfe is a particular stinker in that respect, especially considering that he didn't single-handedly invent Ethernet anyway.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (2, Insightful)

LihTox (754597) | more than 7 years ago | (#17964748)

That's the problem with a lot of these one-hit-wonders that clamber onto the public stage via some specific talent and then feel qualified to have a publicly worthwhile opinion on everything else.

Everyone's allowed to have a public opinion about anything (cf Slashdot). Point your finger instead at the people who give Metcalfe a platform to express said political opinions, based solely on his technological background.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (1)

uradu (10768) | more than 7 years ago | (#17968032)

> point your finger instead at the people who give Metcalfe a platform to express said political opinions

In a way I did, that's pretty much when I stopped reading InfoWorld.

Re:Kinda spoilt... (1)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 7 years ago | (#17965058)

by the fact that in recent years he's reduced to trolling the Internet by making up terms like "Open Sores Movement"

Inventing Ethernet took every last drop of intelligence Metcalfe had... and didn't give it back.

"I invented the internet" (-1, Troll)

Doc Hoss (1062428) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963282)

Al Gore's going to be pissed...and maybe a little jealous.

Re:"I invented the internet" (2, Insightful)

Doc Hoss (1062428) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963330)

aw crap...right when I post it I see it's "ethernet" instead of "internet"...guess I should read a little before posting, eh?

Re:"I invented the internet" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17964760)

No, you're incredibly boring and should stop posting at all.

The original Hall of Fame, and hubris... (4, Informative)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963502)

...the Hall of Fame for Great Americans... is a huge colonnade (630 feet long) with actual bronze busts, located at Bronx Community College (formerly NYU).

I found this out on the umpteenth watching of "The Wizard of Oz" when I suddenly wondered what the Munchkins were singing about when they sang "You will have a bust, have a bust, have a bust/In the Hall of Fame." I had to look it up because nobody I knew had any idea what the heck the "Hall of Fame" was, apart from the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, of course.

By the way, it has a number of open slots. #19, #47, #49. I think someone should propose putting Metcalfe's bust in one of them. So he will be as well remembered as Rufus Choate, Charlotte Saunders Cushman, and John Lothrop Motley.

It really says something when an entire Hall of Fame can be forgotten, doesn't it? If a brick-and-mortar Hall of Fame is forgotten in less than one short century, I don't think the National Inventor's Hall of Fame, which apparently has no physical existence, will be much more durable.

Ozymandias, anyone?

Re:The original Hall of Fame, and hubris... (2, Funny)

I Like Pudding (323363) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963738)

Ozymandias, anyone?

Look upon my works, ye mighty, and...hey, hey COME BACK!

Umm, it is a real place ... (4, Informative)

Tranvisor (250175) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963742)

"I don't think the National Inventor's Hall of Fame, which apparently has no physical existence, will be much more durable."

Umm, the Inventor's Hall of Fame is a real museum in Akron, OH. I've been there, it's a fairly interesting place (beats the Football Hall of Fame (Canton, OH) hands down). The museum has no busts, it trys to present inventions and the science behind them in a very understandable way with many hands-on exhibits.

Their website is http://www.invent.org/ [invent.org]

MOD PARENT UP (1)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963892)

Cool! I'm trying to think of how one would do an exhibit on Ethernet... little talking mannequins that stop whenever they interrupt each other...

Re:The original Hall of Fame, and hubris... (1)

real gumby (11516) | more than 7 years ago | (#17967020)

Ozymandias, anyone?

Ozzy-who?



 

(yeah yeah, I've read plenty of Shelley...just couldn't resist).

Re: Shelley (1)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#17981560)

Shelly Winters or Shelley Berman?

"inventor"??? (1)

OriginalArlen (726444) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963658)

What is this "inventor"? To me it brings to mind images of Professor Branestawm [chello.at] . Where's the Engineering Hall of Fame? (And who designed it? ;)

They forgot one (1, Funny)

elmedico27 (931070) | more than 7 years ago | (#17963882)

I can't wait until they induct Professor Farnsworth. Dude's been inventing stuff for centuries.

Re:They forgot one (2, Informative)

mqduck (232646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17965166)

I can't wait until they induct Professor Farnsworth. Dude's been inventing stuff for centuries.

Dude hasn't been born yet. What the heck are you talking about?

Wouldn't It Be Ironic..... (1)

obsidianpoet (978026) | more than 7 years ago | (#17964074)

if as a prize he got a "token ring" of appriciation? Sorry.... I had too.....

Imod 0p (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17964778)

conver5ation and AAl our times have of the warring Personal rivalries

Another great thing he did: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17964852)

He coined the term "open sores" software, and whenever you hear someone call the GPL communist, you can look to Bob and smile, knowing he was the first to promote that meme.

Napkins (1)

g-san (93038) | more than 7 years ago | (#17974922)

Yay Bob. [ethermanage.com]
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