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Sony Set to Market Blu-ray as Winner of Format War

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the self-serving-prophets dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Citing the recent sales numbers, Sony exec David Bishop is claiming that the high-def format war can officially be declared over. With a movie sale ratio of almost 2:1 Blu-ray discs are being declared the victor over rival HD-DVD by Blu-ray supporter Sony. 'And yet while all agree that it was a strong month for Blu-ray, opinion is split on whether the surge in sales is an indicator of stronger user adaption of Blu-ray compared to HD DVD, or simply a reflection of the larger number of new Blu-ray titles that hit the market over the month -- 25 new Blu-ray titles were released in January, compared to just 11 titles on HD DVD for the same period.'"

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353 comments

Number of movies (4, Insightful)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988454)

Aren't the number of movies available related to the popularity of the format?

Re:Number of movies (4, Insightful)

ngtvtw13ve (989605) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988500)

If that was true then wouldn't we still be buying vhs tapes?

Re:Number of movies (5, Insightful)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988582)

But, how many new VHS movie titles were released last month?

Re:Number of movies (2, Interesting)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988808)

Doesn't really matter.

As crappy of a movie it is, I still want The Incredible Melting Man [imdb.com] on DVD and it's not available legally in the US of A.

I remember seeing that at the local grindhouse with trailers for Suspiria and other shlock fests back in the day.

lets see (4, Informative)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988854)

last VHS by publication date

amazon.com
#1 the mystery of love
VHS Release Date: February 6, 2007

#115 Dora the Explorer - Save the Day! was Jan 10, 2007
#116 Here Comes the Big Red Car ~ Wiggles was Jan 3rd, 2007- so 115 seems to be a safe bet for new vhs titles in the last month.

Re:Number of movies (5, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988502)

If thats the case, divx avi movies rule the world ;)

Re:Number of movies (5, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988530)

Number of movies released in a particular month != total number of movies available

I believe that prior to this particular month, HD-DVD was consistently ahead of Blu-Ray. Declaring a winner based on a single months' worth of statistics (especially at this early point when both formats are in their infancy) is utterly idiotic.

Re:Number of movies (1, Interesting)

bdr529 (1063398) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988826)

Declaring a winner based on a single months' worth of statistics (especially at this early point when both formats are in their infancy) is utterly idiotic
True. However, it can be used as a tool to gage the trend to try to predict WHERE the winning format will fall.

Re:Number of movies (2, Funny)

encoderer (1060616) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989172)

So let me get this straight:

A single data point can be used as a "tool" to gage the trend?

No shit?

Re:Number of movies (5, Funny)

Dorkmaster Flek (1013045) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988914)

Sony doing something idiotic? Naw...

Re:Number of movies (2, Interesting)

packeteer (566398) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988924)

Its not idiotic, its smart. That is, it's smart marketing for the people involved with Blu-Ray.

Re:Number of movies (1)

Paolo DF (849424) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988542)

maybe this time is the other way: industries are in a "push" attitude more than ever.

Re:Number of movies (2, Insightful)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988562)

Yes, but they're also related to how much the studios like the format's DRM and how much money the format producer is willing to throw at them.

Re:Number of movies (4, Informative)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988764)

Aren't the number of movies available related to the popularity of the format?

You're absolutely correct, and that would be a good measure of a particular format's success. Here's the problem: The number of HD DVD and Blu-ray titles currently available is a virtual dead heat. The last time I did a count (about 2 weeks ago) via a popular website that sells both formats, the numbers differed by less than 10, with the total being in the mid 100s.

As regards the most recent numbers, it's pretty obvious that more Blu-ray titles have been released and purchased in the last two months because a) Sony finally released the PS3 and there is nothing else to do with that hardware other than playing Blu-ray movies and play Resistance and b) they're trying to catch up with HD DVD which had a significant lead in available titles prior to the holiday season.

It's obviously way too soon to declare a winner, but I'll give Sony props for trying to turn lemons into lemonade...

I should note, as I often do, that I don't care who wins. If Toshiba and company stand pat and don't push their format then Sony could indeed win the thing because the PS3 is going to sell as time goes by, even if it doesn't become the dominant game console that the PS2 and PS were. The HD DVD folks need to get a standalone player out ASAP for under $400 and by Christmas they need to have players under $300. If they don't, then they'll have to rely on the Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on to compete with the PS3, and that's a dangerous road - not because the HD DVD add-on is a bad deal (it's actually a pretty good one), but because 360 owners already have what they need and want to play games without the bonus of an HD format, while PS3 owners are "forced" into possession of the HD format as a consequence of desiring PS3 gameplay.

Re:Number of movies (3, Informative)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988880)

If you look here. [movieweb.com] A majority of the Blue Ray movies are older. I counted 15 that are about a year old. For Example:
Resident Evil
Scooby Doo
Hitchikers Guide
Courage Under Fire

HDDVD has a a few too (counted 6), but I think blue-ray flooded the market with older movies.

Re:Number of movies (2, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989110)

So 36 movies were released in HD format this month. Clearly, regular DVD are more popular by an order of magnitude. Until one of the HD format outperforms DVDs using this metrics, I wouldn't call the war over.

Why? (1, Offtopic)

Paolo DF (849424) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988470)

Why is this article here in the games section?

Re:Why? (3, Informative)

ack154 (591432) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988560)

PS3 = BluRay

Other than that... who knows. Maybe they're still relating to the BluRay "dominance" to PS3 sales - hence games.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988572)

Because BluRay is inextricably linked with the PS3. If one succeeds then the other is likely to follow, and the same if one fails. I agree that this still doesn't belong in the Games section, but that's the rationale.

Rob

because.... (5, Funny)

President_Camacho (1063384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988594)

Why is this article here in the games section?
You don't think a corporate pissing match is a game?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17989166)

Because Sony is counting PS3 games as Blu-ray sales. ;-)

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17989168)

Sony is trying to play mind games with the consumers...

cool. (5, Funny)

President_Camacho (1063384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988484)

Sony Set to Market Blu-ray as Winner of Format War

Are they also going to market their laptops as the winner of the battery war?

Re:cool. (2, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988536)

Yep, it'll be like when George Bush declared the Iraq war won! :P

Re:cool. (3, Funny)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989060)

That's funny, because when I read this the first thing that crossed my mind was, "I wonder if they're going to hold a press conference on an aircraft carrier..."

Re:cool. (4, Funny)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988548)

Are they also going to market their laptops as the winner of the battery war?

They blow the competition away!

Re:cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988700)

>> Are they also going to market their laptops as the winner of the battery war?
> They blow the competition away!

Not to mention the poor users... :-)

Re:cool. (1)

psychogentoo (582658) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988796)

Considering Sony isn't allowing for adult content....

Re:cool. (5, Funny)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988606)

Why not?

"Sony lithium batteries smoke the competition!"
"Sony is on fire with these new batteries!"
"Put a Sony battery in your laptop and witness an explosion of power!"
"Sony lithium: Taste the Apocalypse!"
"Sony lithium batteries: Your laptop will never be the same!"
"Sony batteries keep burning long after the competition has gone out."

The marketing material just writes itself.

Re:cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988724)

Maybe they'll get Bush on top of a aircraft carrier to declare them the winner.

"Mission Accomplished!"

Re:cool. (0)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988864)

This just in...

GrayCalx declares his new Gray-DVD format is the winner of the HD-format wars.

Head Sony Exec: (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988488)

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Sure.... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988490)

And these are the same people who already believe that the PS3 is the winner of the console wars against the 360 and the Wii, even though sales numbers in the US and even Japan say otherwise.

Re:Sure.... (2, Funny)

pionzypher (886253) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989078)

I don't [penny-arcade.com] know what [72.14.253.104] (google cache) you're talking about. (second link has a great pic below the PA comic.)

Will they say the same about the PS3? (5, Funny)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988492)

"Citing the recent sales numbers, Sony exec David Bishop is claiming that the next gen console war can officially be declared over. Looks like the Wii and 360 are the winners."

Perhaps they shouldn't be gloating.

Nice of them .... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988496)

Nice of Sony to declare themselves the winner. Now we can all get on with out lives.

Seriously, is this the same Sony who last week said the fact that they're being outsold by Nintendo doesn't mean they're losing, it means we shouldn't be counting Nintendo.

I'm fairly confident a company can't unilaterally declare themselves the winner in a 6 month old format war. It doesn't work like that.

Oh well, it's their Kool-Aid, they can drink it all they want. :-P

Cheers

My thoughts exactly (5, Interesting)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988646)

How many coaches at halftime ever say they're going to lose the game?

That being said, IMHO this won't be a VHS versus Betamax thing. There is too much manufacturing set up for both sides to simply abandon one format. What I'm hoping happens is that one of the two becomes the dominant format (which it almost certainly will), and the other one will become the "ghetto" HD format.

The loser in this format war will still make money, but it will have to do it by underselling the winner. Lower prices, bigger numbers. When that happens, the loser will most likely wind up as a cheap burner you can stick on an IDE cable. And I'm really looking forward to that for data storage.

Re:Nice of them .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988696)

"Now we can all get on with out lives."

I'm glad you're out. Fabulous! Wanna get a massage?

Re:Nice of them .... (1)

kabocox (199019) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988744)

I'm fairly confident a company can't unilaterally declare themselves the winner in a 6 month old format war. It doesn't work like that.

Um, sure everyone "can" decalre themselves the winner, but no one will listen to them though. I'm too lazy to read the article. I'm wondering how this even got outside of some marketting/PR guy's office/e-mail system. I mean come on, can't they have atleast bribed a few consumer electronics mag reporters to write a few articles declaring them the winner? I mean come on if you are going to declare yourself the winner; then you need to do it in a manner people will somewhat listen to and believe it.

Set to? (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988504)

Set to market it as the winner? They've been doing it for over a month now [engadget.com] without the help of your puny "statistics"

Sounds familiar. (1, Funny)

endianx (1006895) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988508)

Mission accomplished!

just waiting... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988526)

I see no need to do anything other than wait 3 or 4 years until this whole thing sorts itself out. I've lived for 30+ years in an NTSC world, and I just don't see any compelling reason to shell out thousands on new hardware to be an early adoptor for what amounts to nothing more than television.

Of course, I've been waiting 3 or 4 years already for this to happen, and it hasn't yet - which makes me look all the wiser for not investing in new hardware in 2003...

Why is it either/or? (2, Insightful)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988528)

'And yet while all agree that it was a strong month for Blu-ray, opinion is split on whether the surge in sales is an indicator of stronger user adaption of Blu-ray compared to HD DVD, or simply a reflection of the larger number of new Blu-ray titles that hit the market over the month -- 25 new Blu-ray titles were released in January, compared to just 11 titles on HD DVD for the same period.'

Wouldn't the fact that there are over twice as many new releases for BD than for HD-DVD in itself be an important indicator of stronger adoption of BD?

Rob

Re:Why is it either/or? (1)

iamblades (238964) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988622)

Maybe, but if it is, it is indication of stronger studio/publisher adoption, not user adoption.

Re:Why is it either/or? (1)

DailyRich (1062818) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988720)

Wouldn't the fact that there are over twice as many new releases for BD than for HD-DVD in itself be an important indicator of stronger adoption of BD?

Sure -- if both there had been an equal number of titles released on each format up to this point, which is hardly the case.

If the Yankees are up 14-0 but the Red Sox outscore them 7-0 in the fourth inning, the Red Sox don't win the game.

Re:Why is it either/or? (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988954)

Sure -- if both there had been an equal number of titles released on each format up to this point

Why does one necessarily have to have anything to do with the other? You're assuming that BluRay is playing catch-up with HD-DVD by coming out with movies that already came out on HD-DVD, but it's just as possible that BluRay is simply coming out with more new movies than HD-DVD is. The only way to know for sure would be to look at the list of released movies.

Rob

In other news (5, Funny)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988618)

HD-DVD proponents throw up arms and say "That just about wraps it up for us". They began packing up the manufacturing plants and began work on other projects.

In other news, Apple declares victory over vista because of the ratio of new apple ads to new microsoft ads.

This Just In! (1)

Lithdren (605362) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988620)

Large Mega Corp Declares Themselves Profitable!

Denmark - Earlier today, Way Overpaid Guy announced to the world "WE'VE DONE IT! We pulled a profit!"

Market Analysts projected the market responce months in advance. "I knew it, I knew they'd make money!" remarked Whocares Whoyou'are, "They make money all the time!"

LMC pulled in profits on their profitable Profit Making Thing(tm)2007 in the first quarter of 2007, allowing them to hold market share. "Seriously, we made profit!"

How is this news? They delcare themselves winners? Who gives a crap? Call me when something newsworthy happends.

Numbers?? (3, Insightful)

Kelz (611260) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988624)

25 new Blu-Ray releases and 11 HD-DVD releases in one month?

Beta was still around for 27 years. I have a feeling that the two sides will be able to co-exist for quite some time (especially with the duel-format players that are close to release).

I'm the winner (1)

uerunner (1046052) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988630)

I got a stain out of the carpet this weekend. I officially declare myself the winner of the carpet vs. stain war.

Two major advantages (4, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988640)

The two major advantages that Blu-ray has right now is
  1. EXTENSIVE marketing. It's almost impossible to watch an HDTV cable network and not be innundated with Blu-ray ads (they should rename "HDnet" the "Blu-ray channel"). And Best Buy and other retailers all have blu-ray kiosks touting the glories of blu-ray. I've yet to see a single HD-DVD ad or kiosk, by contrast
  2. Studio support. HD-DVD just doesn't have the support to turn out enough titles. Warner and Universal alone just aren't going to cut it.

Oddly enough, what everyone THOUGHT was going to be a big advantage for blu-ray--the PS3, hasn't really been that great, as so few people are buying them. Conversely, the supposedly big HD-DVD advantage of price (both HD-DVD players and media are cheaper) hasn't really helped it, apparently.

-Eric

Re:Two major advantages (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988856)

"Oddly enough, what everyone THOUGHT was going to be a big advantage for blu-ray--the PS3, hasn't really been that great, as so few people are buying them"

Wow, way to make it clear to everyone that you're just another idiotic fanboy.

Wait, let me guess, all your little fanboy sites are filled with stories about "I saw 50 PS3s and they were dusty, and I talked to a friend who is a manager at the store(fanboys always have a friend who's a manager at the store) and he said they have 200 in back. LOL!!!"

Hey dipshit, the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the 105+ million selling PS2...

Re:Two major advantages (4, Funny)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989030)

Wow, way to make it clear to everyone that you're just another idiotic fanboy.

Hey dipshit, the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the 105+ million selling PS2...


Anyone wanna get in on this one?

Re:Two major advantages (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989004)

Oddly enough, what everyone THOUGHT was going to be a big advantage for blu-ray--the PS3, hasn't really been that great, as so few people are buying them.

Er, the PS3 is selling a lot better than any dedicated BD player, and a large percentage of owners have expressed intent to buy movies for it, so that is a big advantage for BluRay.

Rob

Alien Technology (5, Funny)

ngtvtw13ve (989605) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988644)

Of course Blu-Ray is the winner, it is by far a superior format. HD-DVD is nothing but DVD with 2 extra letters who wants to buy something unimaginitive, but Blu-Ray thats new and exciting. Its "blue" wich means advanced cause aliens are blue, and ray makes me think of an awsome ray gun from all those sci-fi movies. Its friggin advanced alien technology that Sony got its hands on hundreds of years before any other company. How could it not be the leader.

Problem with Ratios (5, Funny)

flynt (248848) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988648)

With a movie sale ratio of almost 2:1

Unfortunately, he forgot to mention that those were also the actual numbers of discs sold.

Re:Problem with Ratios (-1, Redundant)

AP2k (991160) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988694)

Only one HD-DVD was sold last month?

Re:Problem with Ratios (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988772)

That's what he was saying, and yes, it was a joke.

Free Movies, really sales? (4, Interesting)

Innova (1669) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988656)

Also to note...All PS3's came with a coupon for a free Blu-Ray movie. How many of those were included in the strong sale numbers?

Re:Free Movies, really sales? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17989046)

Huh? I just bought a PS3 and didn't get any such coupon. They did give 500,000 free copies of the movie Talladega Nights (which would only have covered the launch back in November).

I wish I had gotten a coupon for a free Blu-Ray movie but all I got was a tiny flier letting me know about Blu-Ray movies. I'll check my box again, but I'm pretty sure you're misinformed on this one.

(Sorry for posting anonymously. I moderated a couple posts in this story so I can't use my account.)

Re:Free Movies, really sales? (1)

crabbz (986605) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989122)

No they didn't. People keep repeating this but it isn't true. The first batch of ps3's came with a free blu-ray movie in the box (Talladega Nights), not a coupon. I don't know how many ps3's included the movie but I don't think they are still in there. They did come with discount coupons though. But I forget what exactly they were for.

whichever sells first $99 player is the winner (3, Insightful)

u19925 (613350) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988658)

i ain't gonna buy till price drops to $99. so 4 me, whichever one sells first for $99, is the winner.

Well, it worked for Bush? (1, Redundant)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988660)

Remember when Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" and the end to all combat operations in Iraq? And how since then, there's been very little combat operations and the country has been a bastion of democracy?

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing.

Re:Well, it worked for Bush? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17989052)

If you remember that you're living in a parallel time line. It never happened. There was a banner in the background of a welcome home speech given on the carrier Lincoln of San Diego. It marked the end of major combat operations against Saddam's Iraqi forces. That's *it*; it was very specific. Anything different claimed by partisan critics, bloggers, pundits, your boyfriend, the postmodern feminist you're trying to get in bed is all BULLSHIT.

Firefox wins browser war! (1)

krough (771131) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988672)

This just in: Firefox declared winner in browser war since Firefox has more new users this month than IE.

Not one penny! (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988678)

I am still not spending one penny on any HD content, media or TVs until there is an affordable standard. (maybe never?)

Re:Not one penny! (1)

nate nice (672391) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988820)

I see you're on the cutting edge and are an early adopter!

A question (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988686)

Is there or can there be a split format player? I don't know a whole hell of a lot about BR vs HD-DVD. I was just wondering if we might see players of this nature in the future like we had seen as we had DVD/LaserDisc players during the transition phase of the formats.

I don't care WHO declares, just end it! (1, Troll)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988692)

I really don't give a rat's hindquarters who claims victory, just as long as one of them does soon, and it sticks and we're left with ONE HD movie format. Please can this HD war be over?

Please?

Re:I don't care WHO declares, just end it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17989084)

There never was a 'war'. Sites like Slashdot pretended there was one to rack up post counts, but HD-DVD never was a viable competitor to BluRay.

Unless one has to have something from Universal right now, everything one wants is on BluRay or will be shortly. The only people still think there is a battle going on between the two formats are the lunatic fringe of the Xbox userbase.

Yeah, we trust them (5, Funny)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988702)

This coming from the same company that owes me $9,600 for all the PS3's at my local walmart! source [penny-arcade.com]

BluRay has a Case (2, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988706)

With BluRay in every PS3, HD-DVD not an integral part of any shipping product yet, and BluRay movies starting to outsell HD-DVD, there good reason to be betting on the BluRay horse. BluRay market penetration should outstrip HD-DVD, unless they're able to pull a VHS in pricing or capacity.

Re:BluRay has a Case (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988850)

With BluRay in every PS3, HD-DVD not an integral part of any shipping product yet...

I'm fairly certain that HD DVD is an integral part of the standalone HD DVD players that sell for less than the cost of a PS3 and less than half the price of a standalone Blu-ray player...

Apex Digital (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989088)

One thing to consider is that one of the main reasons there is such a push to HD formats is because of companies like Apex Digital; when many companies were selling $400 DVD players Apex Digital came along and produced the $99 DVD player that ended up making them (at the time) the #1 DVD player manufacturer in the world. If you notice, Apex Digital (and similar companies) are not part of either groups at the moment.

If the DVD forum wants to win at all costs all they have to do is allow (and encourage) the inexpensive product manufacturers to choose their format; if you can walk into Walmart and buy a $99 HD-DVD player instead of a $500 Blu-Ray player who is going to win?

And the real winner is... (1, Flamebait)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988716)

Regular DVD5/DVD9 format, by a landslide! When you can *only* purchase a title on either BR or HD formats, and *not* on DVD5/9, *then* we can decide a winner. Until then Sony should rethink it's policy of preventing hackability in their products... I'm looking right at the PSP, Sony. You shmucks.

From the same idiots who brought you the overpriced, under performing "Memory Stick"! I've got a Memory Stick for them... ;)

Not even laughable (1)

lelitsch (31136) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988742)

25 vs 11 releases in one month? Could anyone remind me how many DVD titles are currently out there? 100,000? 500,000? Any decent porn studio releases 36 DVDs in a week.

I liked their products for a long time, but Sony has officially jumped the shark, first on product development, then on reliability, then on screwing their own customer, and now on being in the same universe as the other 8 billion humans.

Ummm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988750)

Might the increased sales have anything to do with all those BlueRay-enabled PS3's that were sold immediately prior to Christmas? And for those who counter with any HD-DVD drive on XBox 360 arguments I'll submit that the drive is not required to play XBox 360 titles so there is no real pressing need to purchase it other than for HD-DVD movies, unlike the PS3.

Sony is Displaying Bush-eque Triumphalism (0, Redundant)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988756)

Sony declaring Blue-Ray the winner in the HD format war is a little like Bush's "Mission Accomplished" banner on the deck of the aircraft carrier during his speech after the initial invasion of Iraq. It's way, way to early to be anointing a victor here.

Re:Sony is Displaying Bush-eque Triumphalism (1)

MrFlibbs (945469) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988972)

And he voted for Blu-Ray before he voted against it.

Oops! Wrong politician! Sorry, sorry...

Actually yes, all over but the shouting (4, Informative)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988778)

The first week of January it was 2 to 1 for sales of BD
The second week of January it was close to 3 to 1 for sales of BD

The HD-DVD camp Shot back that there where more title released on Blu-Ray the first two weeks (11 vs 21).

So what to make of this weeks releases? 12 titles to 1
It seems the distributors have decided for us.

HD DVD and Blu-ray releases on February 13th, 2007 [engadgethd.com]

Blu-ray

* Broken Arrow (Fox)
* Chain Reaction (Fox)
* Chronos (Koch)
* The Departed (Warner)
* Entrapment (Fox)
* Ladder 49 (Buena Vista)
* The Marine (Fox)
* Phone Booth (Fox)
* Planet of the Apes (Fox)
* Reign of Fire (Buena Vista)
* The Sentinel (Fox)
* The Usual Suspects (Fox)

HD DVD

* The Departed (Warner)

Titles to date HD DVD 159 vs Blu-ray 171.
and remember HD-DVD had a big head start and is now fading fast.

Re:Actually yes, all over but the shouting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988994)

What's funny about the tiny group of diehard Xbox/HD-DVD supporters is they think things are bad right now.

The PS3 hasn't even hit the shelves in Europe yet and we are just seeing the results of a couple million PS3 in consumer hands right now. There are going to be five to six million by the middle of 2007 in all three regions.

Universal looks like they are holding back on HD-DVD releases and are likely getting ready to jump to BluRay. 3-1, 5-1, at some point they are going to have to make the jump. Japan is all BluRay already and Universal would have to give up that entire market even if HD-DVD wasn't getting clobbered in the US.

HD-DVD supporters have no one to blame but themselves for believing the bullshit spouted by sites like Slashdot and teamxbox about the viability of the format.

Re:Actually yes, all over but the shouting (3, Interesting)

Yakman (22964) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989150)

From that list it looks like both formats got the new release (The Departed), and Blu-Ray got a bunch of old movies that won't be significantly better in quality than the SD DVD version anyway.

The end of format wars (1)

AIFEX (1036394) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988810)

When will corporations stop fighting and trying to get one up on each other as they tout their latest format. Did the DVD -/+ war or the flash memory stick wars teach them nothing?

It is inevitable that everyone will do everything. With multi-format DVD burners and players and multicard readers as standard with most media kit, its merely a matter of time before people actually realise that the format wars are now futile.

Warner have released a hybrid HD/BDR disc and LG have already put out the hybrid drives. Cost is negligable, a 12 month availabilty will see prices dropping tremendously. Only a year ago the top of the range Sony DVD recorder demanded £900, now the same spec machine (by Sony) can be bought for under £300.

Everytime a new format is developed, there is this ridiculous, costly and unrequired fight to prove whose better. Its infuriating.

In other news ... (2, Funny)

Ace905 (163071) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988838)

Citing recent sales numbers, local used car dealer frank "the lone testicle" johnson has declared that he is in fact the best car dealer in all of north america.

"It was a toss up between me and every single other person, that is until I decided on the criteria by which we were all graded.", said the lone testicle.

Some other sales people are confused by the unanimous victory, but have to admit that Johnson is the best at dealing cars he himself is authorized to sell - in all of north america. One of johnson's opponent dealerships claims, "He only gets those numbers because he's counting sales of the very rare 'Delorian' cars that he sells. Of course when they offered 2 delorians for sale this year, his numbers doubled and every single other dealer in north america that doesn't sell those got a zero on his rating scale."

Confused by semantics, my editor has decided to just give free publicity to Mr. Johnson because he came up with a self-fellating story that almost sounds legitimate. congratulations lone testicle, please take all of my readers and try to sell them your over-priced crap.

---
lone testicle? [douginadress.com]

Samsung Flash Drives Win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988848)

When you can lug 100 GB flash drive around on your keychain for $49 bucks,
people will stop using disks all together.

CDs/DVDs/discs of any kind are going to go the way of the 8" floppy disk...

It's called astroturfing on the internet (1)

guruevi (827432) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988852)

They just declare themselves (rightfully or not) the winner, dumb people (aka (Best Buy, Staples, ...) employees and their customers) might read it or hear it and even believe it. They go now to the store with the pre-conceived notion that HD-DVD is going to be old pretty soon.

Imho I would rather buy Blu-Ray over HD-DVD just because of the internal technology (Java vs. Microsoft's-Java-Rip-off) used and the extra storage space (30G vs. 50G). But I won't choose either for now as long as it has DRM. Let's see what's on BitTorrent...

HD-DVD Roadmap (0, Flamebait)

TionVaria (1061954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988908)

1. Delusion - About a year ago when you believed HD-DVD was viable
2. FUD - Six months ago with stories about higher BluRay costs
3. Shock - Last month when the first wave of PS3 sales hit
4. Denial - Combo disks not being counted, PS3 games being counted, etc.
5. Sarcasm - You are here Xbox/HD-DVD fanboys
6. Bitterness - See Amiga, Dreamcast, and Xbox fanboys

Agreed, the format war is over (1)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988922)

Plain DVDs won, with many good reasons. There are not enough movies to justify player prices. For the ones that are out, HD is just not that compelling of a feature to attract attention - remember SACD and DVD audio? There are no portable players at all, either with hard drive transfer or with an actual HD-DVD/Blu ray drive. H264 or DivX allow storing a high definition movie on a plain dual layer DVD, so its not clear whats the whole deal about new hardware is about.

Console War is Over! (1, Redundant)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988938)

Hey guys, the Console War is clearly over! The Wii is outselling the PS3 2:1

In the lead... by 14 titles? (1)

popo (107611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988944)


So the winner is the one with 14 titles more?

Hell, *I* could still win the format war.

Nice but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17988968)

Isn't that the same Sony that declared, and I quote [kotaku.com] : "If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it."

Penny Arcade strip [penny-arcade.com]

Who would have thought that reality would need defenders?

And he's right (5, Interesting)

melted (227442) | more than 7 years ago | (#17988982)

The primary thing that decides the success or failure of a format is content available on it. There's only one HD-DVD exclusive studio (Universal). There are quite a few that are Blu-Ray only, including all of the Sony studios and Disney. There are rumors of Universal throwing in the towel on HD-DVD.

Besides, Blu Ray is a better format. 50 GB per disk allows for lower compression ratios and uncompressed multichannel sound. The only advantage HD-DVD has is the "extras" and "interactivity features". I don't know about you, but I don't give a shit about picture-in-picture that they push so heavily. I just want to watch the goddamn movie.

As if this wasn't enough, Blu Ray also enjoys much broader industry support, including Apple (which gives you a hint as to what Final Cut / DVD Studio types will be using) and Dell. PS3 is by far the best value on the market as far as 1080p players are concerned. The fact that it plays games as well is gravy. Xbox HD-DVD add-on has an abysmal attach rate, and even if it did have a better attach rate, Xbox doesn't support HDMI, so it's not an option for folks who want an entirely digital signal path.

So there you have it.

Re:And he's right (1)

AIFEX (1036394) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989148)

+1 High capacity storage is proving to be just one more reason for vendors to stuff more crap at us just because the hardware allows for it. Hey, I've seen no Vista comment yet - another prime example. Just because the hardware is improving, doesnt mean we want to be subjected to bloatware.

Re:And he's right (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989162)

i laugh at your comment that hdmi is an entirely digital signal path. the concpet of that is really just a gimic. also, it's WHAT content is on the discs that matters, not sheer volume of discs released.

Been said before (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989006)

The President might have a used sign he could loan them. Seems he won a war a few years back.

what nonsense (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989010)

the number of movies released is not an indication of who has won the war, the ONLY thing that indicates that is which format was purchased by most consumers. you can release all the movies you want it doesn't make a fucking difference if no one buys them. watch next thing sony will be blaming pirates for the failure of blue ray, possibly the terrorists as well

25 Blu-Ray releases versus 11 HD-DVD? (1)

Kintar1900 (901219) | more than 7 years ago | (#17989036)

Odd. I could swear that's about a 2:1 ratio. But that couldn't POSSIBLY have any relation to the 2:1 sales of Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD. :)

Hey, I've got a great joke to describe this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17989160)

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

See? See what I did there? I analogized Sony saying that they've won the format war with Bush saying that we won the war in Iraq. And since we haven't won the war in Iraq and are likely not going to, I'm saying that Sony won't win the format war! God, I'm a comedic genius. I bet nobody else on /. came up with that zinger!
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