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Where the PS3 Stands Now

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the gaining-ground dept.

PlayStation (Games) 293

Phil Harrison and 1up's Luke Smith had a chat about the current positioning of the PlayStation 3, and it makes for some interesting reading. A quietly confident Harrison discusses the future of game distribution online, their attitude towards competition in the console market, and clarifies a few things about the potential for PS3 price cuts. The previous discussion about price cuts was apparently a big misunderstanding. "PH: Well, do you know what [Takao Yuhara] said was, cost reduction, not price drop, and there's a big difference between cost reduction and price drop. So, that I believe is where the confusion came from. Obviously, we are investing our money in making PlayStation 3s cheaper to manufacture -- that's part of our business plan. 1UP: You're not going to pass the savings along? PH: When we can, when there are savings to pass along to the consumer, we would obviously choose to do that. That's the business model. 1UP: Wait? You guys are doing this to make money? Really? PH: That's videogame hardware 101."

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The PS3 stands proudly (4, Funny)

jdc180 (125863) | more than 7 years ago | (#18027978)

In the display cases of your local department stores.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (2, Interesting)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028472)

It's modded Funny? How about Depressingly True?

I've been in a couple of retail stores north of Atlanta recently, and they had pallets of PS3's. I still haven't gotten a Wii yet, though, because no one seems to be able to keep them in stock, even though it's two months after they came out and they've produced like ten times as many. :-(

It's pretty obvious to me which company has a right to be proud and which one should be doing some serous soul-searching.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029086)

Apart from R:FoM, what does the PS3 really have? Until better games come out, there isn't going to be an increase in demand at this point. It would be like the Wii having one good game, saaay Twilight Princess. Sales would be nowhere near where they are now. They'd still be higher than the PS3, but that's because it's less than half the price.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028582)

Sure about that? I can't find a PS3 anywhere in SF and have resigned myself to picking one up with one of the expensive bundles. It will be worth it to finally get to play Resistance, VF5, and Motorstorm.

Wiis are everywhere I go these days. There was a stack at the local BestBuy that was gathering dust just a few days ago. I asked the manager and he said they had even more in back. Sales have fallen dramatically after the holidays apparently.

Most funny, or sad, is the local Fry's still has remnants of the gigantic pile of 360s Microsoft dumped on stores last November. You can still see 360 Premium boxes sitting untouched at the bottom of the once gigantic pile. Have to wonder if it was really worth it for Microsoft to ship so many to try to meet their yearly sales targets. From the looks of it, Microsoft isn't going to be shipping very many new 360s to stores over the next few months.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028764)

I call shenanigans. If you really want one that badly i'll ship one of the many here for retail and you can send me a wii from one of those stacks.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029018)

You must be smoking crack in San Francisco. It's a different story in the South Bay. Getting an XBox 360, no problem. Getting a PS3 (if the frozen console in the display case doesn't bother you), no problem. Getting an Wii, WTF?!

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029062)

I don't know about a gigantic pile, but keep in mind that as a manufacturer of something you WANT there to be product sitting on a shelf. People can't buy it if it's not sitting on a shelf. What's happening with the Wii is bad and shows a big mistake on Nintendo's part. People want to give Nintendo money but Nintendo can't give them product, and many of them are no doubt buying 360s or PSPs instead. This is costing Nintendo possibly millions of dollars.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (2, Insightful)

Lord_Ultimate (1049752) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029486)

This is costing Nintendo possibly millions of dollars.
How exactly is Sony making money by having their systems sit on shelves and not be sold? I don't think anyone is saying "Nintendo is such a stupid company for not having 18 millions Wiis available at once." I tend to hear things like "If I wanted a PS3, I would go buy one. But I don't want one, so I'll wait for a Wii."

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (2, Interesting)

Some_Llama (763766) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029562)

"This is costing Nintendo possibly millions of dollars."

I think the main problem is that Nintendo is having a hard time getting to their production facilities to find out what the problem is, you see they already have millions of dollars in profits that they are wading through.

Surprisingly enough whenever a Wii is found on sale people immediately buy them.

Manufacturers want their products to fly off the shelves, products on shelves mean depreciation of inventory at their manufacturing plants, this costs them money.

Nobody at Sony is going "oh good, the stock we shipped to retailers is sitting idle, we are in a much better position than Nintendo who can't make their product fast enough".

At least internally anyway, publicly i'm sure its a different story.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029092)

Wiis are everywhere I go these days. There was a stack at the local BestBuy that was gathering dust just a few days ago. I asked the manager and he said they had even more in back. Sales have fallen dramatically after the holidays apparently.

Care to mention where this Best Buy is? I'm sure a number of slashdotters would love to know so that they can hurry over and buy them.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029230)

Sales have fallen dramatically after the holidays apparently.

Key word there being apparently. Though I almost wish the sales would slow down so I could actually find one in stock [nowinstock.net] without it being a giant bundle or geting raped on ebay.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029326)

Are you sure it wasn't a bunch of PS3's arranged to spell "Wii"? It's easy to confuse the two.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029794)

There are a couple at the Mountain View Target store, go ahead and pick them up. They've been there for a while.

Re:The PS3 stands proudly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028608)

In the display cases of your local department stores.


Not according to Sony. Go read EGM this month for a good laugh.

make money? (5, Funny)

brotherscrim (617899) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028068)

PH: That's videogame hardware 101."
I guess Nintendo was the only one to actually pass that class.

Re:make money? (4, Insightful)

brotherscrim (617899) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028360)

You know, the Ps2, Xbox, Xbox 360, and (especially) the PS3 were/are being sold at a loss, for at least the first year or two the system was/is out. Only Nintendo refrains from such behavior, selling all of their hardware at a profit.

So when Phil Harrison says that making money off of the sale of a console is "videogame hardware 101," It's obvious that there's only one game company with a passing grade in that class. But I guess saying so is "flamebait."

Re:make money? (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028550)

Just because they loose money at one point doesn't mean they wont make money in the long run. If they priced the PS3 at a point where they'd make a profit they'd be selling even fewer of them. Judging by the PS2's sales numbers (which IIRC they make about $40-$50 per unit these days). You're right that Nintendo passed the class but I'd say Sony passed that class as well.

Microsoft on the other hand... AFAIK the 360 is currently selling at a small profit but the Xbox 1 never reached that point, which is why it was dropped so quickly; the games division on a whole has been deep in the red since it's inception. Even still, I suspect they'll come out on top eventually just on a much longer time scale.

Re:make money? (1)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028786)

the xbox360 is still not selling at a profit yet. they hope to bring the console into the black within the year though.

Re:make money? (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029552)

You're correct that they Xbox division hopes to be turning a profit by next year, but that doesn't mean they're still loosing money on each console sold. From what I've heard they're currently netting about $75 per premium unit sold [techspot.com] . When the console launched they were estimated to have been loosing about $125 per unit, but have since been able to cut many of their manufacturing costs. I suspect that moving their chips to the 65nm process will further reduce costs.

Basically the only reason they haven't dropped prices yet is because the console IS actually turning a profit and they have the choice between gaining more market share (by dropping) or fast tracking the division towards getting out of the red (by staying where they are and collecting the profits on the units they're selling). There's no real incentive to drop since the Wii really targets a different market and the PS3 isn't currently threating their price point.

Re:make money? (1)

nickyj (142376) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029798)

Well I'm hoping for a Xbox360 price drop. I'm waiting for it. If Nintendo doesn't get online gaming going before the 360 drops in price, then I'm getting a 360 to sit next to my Wii for online games. I've only heard lots of good things from friends about Live. Wii is fun with company, but solo it's kinda dull after finishing Zelda. So the Wii will be my party console, and 360 my online console. I'd like to see wireless net and bigger HD space in the 360 also with that price drop.

So I'm in the market for a 360, but until they drop that price... they don't have me yet.

Re:make money? (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028824)

Origionally Posted By twistedsymphony: Microsoft on the other hand... AFAIK the 360 is currently selling at a small profit but the Xbox 1 never reached that point, which is why it was dropped so quickly; the games division on a whole has been deep in the red since it's inception. Even still, I suspect they'll come out on top eventually just on a much longer time scale.

But you need to remember MS's business model:
1) Spend outrageous, insane amount of money to undercut all competition
2) Become monopoly
3) Raise prices
4) Profit

Re:make money? (1)

Caffeinate (1031648) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029068)

Not quite right . . .

1) Spend outrageous, insane amount of money to undercut all competition
2) Become monopoly
3) Raise prices
4) ???
5) Profit!

Re:make money? (2, Insightful)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028844)

If they priced the PS3 at a point where they'd make a profit they'd be selling even fewer of them.

To paraphrase another great strategist, "You don't enter a console war with the hardware you want. You enter a console war with the hardware you have."

If Sony had lowered their sights a little when designing the PS3, there's no reason why they shouldn't have been able to create a profitable console that could sell for $400 or less. But no, they decided they NEEDED a Cell processor, and they NEEDED a Blu-Ray drive, and thus they ended up with a console that they can't even sellout at a loss.

Re:make money? (2, Insightful)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029522)

It's all about BluRay. They would never sell it without BluRay because their media division forced them to do so. Now, the Cell processor, on the other hand, was their own fault. Unneccessary, and from what I've heard, detrimental to getting developers onboard and getting content out the door quickly.

But, unfortunately, Sony would never even begin to consider the possibility of creating a PS3 without BluRay. Honestly, in the minds of the big wigs, their game division could completely collapse, but it would all be worth it if BluRay became the new video media standard.

This scares me, it's bad enough having Microsoft as a defacto standard in many areas of the computer industry, but having Sony in control of an entire generation of digital media scares the fuck out of me. I have no love for Toshiba, but at least they're not Sony.

Re:make money? (2, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029082)

So when Phil Harrison says that making money off of the sale of a console is "videogame hardware 101," It's obvious that there's only one game company with a passing grade in that class. But I guess saying so is "flamebait."

How is it flamebait? Bashing Sony's PS3 decisions gets you easy +moderation.

Re:make money? (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029110)

You know, the Ps2, Xbox, Xbox 360, and (especially) the PS3 were/are being sold at a loss, for at least the first year or two the system was/is out. Only Nintendo refrains from such behavior, selling all of their hardware at a profit.

So when Phil Harrison says that making money off of the sale of a console is "videogame hardware 101," It's obvious that there's only one game company with a passing grade in that class. But I guess saying so is "flamebait."

I wouldn't worry, you're back up as "funny" now (though that won't help your karma); I think this thread has had a Sony Fanboi moderator go through it, AnonymousSonyFanboiTroll got an "interesting" upmod.

To address your point, you're spot on, but to sell at a profit, Sony would have to sell the PS3 at around $1000, here in the UK they will be selling at around £425 (~$800) and that's still a loss as I understand it. The system is selling badly as it is, how much worse do you think it'd be seling at $1000? To be blunt, they have no choice execpt to sell at a loss if they want to sell an uber HD Blu-ray gaming machine of death. Nintendo understands this point, and says "we're not going there" If Sony had decided not to take the Blue-ray route, they may have managed to sell at a profit some day; as it stands I doubt that the PS3 will ever sell at a profit.

Re:make money? (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029582)

selling all of their hardware at a profit

Not true. There are numerous interviews with Miyamoto out there where he says that they of course do not make a profit on every console sold at every point of the whole life cycle, but that overall they do.

zzz...Is it under $100 yet?...zzz (2, Funny)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028086)

zzz...Is it under $100 yet? No? Wake me up in a couple years, then...zzz

Re:zzz...Is it under $100 yet?...zzz (1)

safiel (1016237) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028200)

ha. you can't even get a PSP for under $100 yet... that thing is long over do for a price cut. With a price of $150 it would be a lot more attractive when compared to the ds. At least its starting to get a library of decent games though

Re:zzz...Is it under $100 yet?...zzz (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028598)

and the PS2 still retails for $129

wow (3, Funny)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028090)

They're in this to make money?


Damn, Sony sure had me fooled...

Re:wow (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028130)

Well, they need some way to keep their movie division afloat, since piracy is so bad that hollywood can't make any money on their own.

Re:wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028562)

Even so, they're still doing better than MS in that regard.

Problem with PS3 release was... (4, Interesting)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028096)

... lack of killer system selling game or games. It has to be said if the games were there even the high price would not be such a barrier of there really was a killer app that made people throw their financial reason to the wind.

Re:Problem with PS3 release was... (1)

Raynor (925006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028368)

How about Global Thermonuclear War?

Re:Problem with PS3 release was... (3, Insightful)

un.sined (946837) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028372)

It's still the problem. I have both the PS3 and the Wii, and while the PS3 is the superior system, the Wii gets much more use. The price is right, and there are several games for it.

The PS3 is definitely superior. The games that it has (that I've played) are all top notch. The problem is that there are so few games. Sure, there are some games that are downloadable via the Playstation Network, but most people won't know about those. Hell, I only found out that GT:HD was available by RTFA.

I understand Sony's desire to get the PS3 out by Christmas. I think they would have had better luck if they'd waited until more games were ready.

Re:Problem with PS3 release was... (1)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028406)

That was probably part of it, but the price was so much higher than any previous game system (that sold, anyway) that even a killer game might not have been enough. Most people complaining about the price were saying that it was too much money for ANY game system. Most people are still reluctant to drop that much money on a TV set, much less a game console.

It is possible that enough games could come out to make it attractive to a large enough segment of the population even without a price drop, but I can't see it gaining any real mass market penetration until the price drops by around $200.

Re:Problem with PS3 release was... (1)

Mex (191941) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028574)

It wasn't just that.
Let's see, off the top of my head:

* 600 dollar price tag.
* Launch of the Nintendo Wii at the same time
* strong competition from the Xbox 360
* Small allocation of units at launch

Really, what game would inspire you to pay 600 dollars for a system? (Plus 50 or 60 for the game itself)?

When the PS2 launched, I remember it had no games other than Ridge Racer, I believe. But back then, there was practically no competition from neither Nintendo or Sega(The dreamcast was struggling already).

Re:Problem with PS3 release was... (1)

Mr.Dippy (613292) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029198)

I remember they had some pretty decent games. When I got my PS2 right after launch I bought SSX. I didn't even like snow boarding games until I played that.

Re:Problem with PS3 release was... (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028662)

... lack of killer system selling game or games. It has to be said if the games were there even the high price would not be such a barrier of there really was a killer app that made people throw their financial reason to the wind.

It's very rare to have a system-seller game at launch. Out of all of the various different console launches over the years, I can only think of two such cases -- the SNES launch with Super Mario World, and the Xbox launch with Halo.

With that in mind, it must be possible to survive a launch without a system-selling game or there wouldn't be any consoles anymore. Sony kept the PS2 alive for the first year through excellent backwards compatibility, but they screwed that up on the PS3 due to the change in peripheral interface (because people want to play Guitar Hero and DDR). A system-seller will eventually come and people will buy the PS3, but they've got a huge task ahead of them -- a system-seller game for a $600 console needs to be substantially better than what it would take to sell a $100-200 or even a $400 console. At $600, the customer needs to be able to answer yes to the question, "Would I pay $660 to play X?" Resistance doesn't pass that test, nor does Madden or any game out yet. Gran Turismo might answer that question for some, as will MGS4 for others, but until there's a massive price drop I think Sony's going to find it much harder to get a true system-seller (even from franchises that are proven system-sellers in the past)

Re:Problem with PS3 release was... (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029268)

At $600, the customer needs to be able to answer yes to the question, "Would I pay $660 to play X?"

Honestly I think that's one of the worst things that everyone always brings up. "Resistance isn't worth $660! Motorstorm isn't worth $660! VF5 isn't worth $660!" and so on. Fact: You're not going to be buying only one game for any system. If there is only one game that appeals to you right now, and you don't deem it worth $660, then it's not a good time for you to purchase the system, I agree. But how about when there are 3 games you're interested in? How about 5 or 6? 10? Where do you draw the line. At some point you need to stop asking yourself whether one game is worth $660 and look at what you'll get from the system as a whole.

Personally I picked one up just for Metal Gear Solid 4. But I enjoyed Resistance, I'm picking up VF5 on the 20th, and I'm definitely looking forward to Motorstorm. MGS4 was worth it for me, these great games are just icing on the cake.

Re:Problem with PS3 release was... (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029810)

It's very rare to have a system-seller game at launch. Out of all of the various different console launches over the years, I can only think of two such cases -- the SNES launch with Super Mario World, and the Xbox launch with Halo.

Actually, I'd say that a good number of consoles have a system-seller at launch. Nintendo has always had one, except for the GameCube (Super Mario World, Mario 64, and now Zelda:TP), and Smash Bros. Melee was quick on the heals of the GCN launch, if you want to count that. The Genesis had Sonic, which is unquestionably a huge system seller, and as you mentioned, the XBox had Halo. Sony, on the other hand, has NEVER had a system seller at launch.

So, I'd say it's pretty common to have a system seller at launch, Nintendo has always TRIED to, and they usually succeed, except with Luigi's Mansion, which was a dissaster (in terms of getting people to the stores). The advantage they have is that they have a very strong game software division that is entirely first party. Sony's game division is much weaker, and all Microsoft's top gaming divisions are practically second party (like Bungie and Rare), and the disconnect in infrastructure likely impedes a high level of communication between hardware and software divisions. Sega was the only other hardware manufacturer with a strong, connected, first party game division. In fact, it was so strong that they simply gutted their hardware division. Although neither the Saturn or the DreamCast saw system-sellers at launch.

I know ! I know ! (-1, Redundant)

jfclavette (961511) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028180)

On the shelves ! What do I win ?

Re:I know ! I know ! (1)

Hobbitgh0d42 (863818) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028516)

$1200 Per unit! Atleast according to Jack Tretton.

PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028186)

Rock solid defect free hardware - compared to the nightmare failure rate Microsoft still has going on with the 360.

Absolutely silent operation - bravo Sony engineering!

BluRay has won the format war with only a couple months after the PS3 release BluRay already outselling the dying HD-DVD format 3-1. And one of the remaining HD-DVD studios just jumped ship to BluRay today. Pretty much all that remains is for Universal to throw in the towel.

PS3 has the top selling game in Japan now - Japan will be a fierce battle between Sony and Nintendo. Nintendo really needs to work on their release schedule. Wii owners are getting restless as the novelty of games like Wii Sports is wearing off.

Resistance is blowing people away with its 40 player lagfree and rock solid framerate games right now.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14065 7 [neogaf.com]

Early previews are going gaga over Motorstorm with another online win for Sony with another completely lagfree game.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1103341 [hardforum.com]

The Playstation Network is cranking out all sorts of very cool indy games like Flow and GripShift and we are only a couple months into adding content.

The one issue with HD tvs and PS2/PS1 games has been fixed and PS3 owners have rock solid 99 percent backwards compatibility with the giant library of PS2 and PS1 games.

Virtua Fighter just about to hit the shelves.

GDC sounds like Sony is going to have some pretty big announcements with even more PS3 exclusive games and other previews.

Europe is going nuts with PS3 fever with record pre-orders for the system. Not surprising with the absolutely insane list of launch games.

No wonder the PS3 is nowhere to be found online or in stores. What a fucking awesome time to be a Playstation owner. Then again, when has that ever not been the case.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (2, Interesting)

AndyBassTbn (789174) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028292)

I have to ask, is there really a such thing as "rock solid" engineering in the consumer electronics world?

After all, the words "defect free" are often proven to be foolish ones, given the history of... well, anything.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Playstation platform, and I agree that the Wii is going to have big problems once the novelty is gone. It just that your comment sounds an awful lot like marketing, rather than true commentary. (The fact that it's anonymous makes it even more suspect.)

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

jschul (794880) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028534)

How long do you think it will take for the Wii novelty to wear off? Most of my friends and family that have a Wii have had it for 2 months or more and still play Wii sports at least a couple times a week. I've seen the same story from numerous people online. What I will agree is that there will be less "gimmick" games as we progress. Just like happened with the DS. It takes a few tries for most developers to really understand what the Wii is really about.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029154)

I don't think the novelty will wear out, as long as developers keep coming up with creative ways to use the wiimote.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029330)

How long do you think it will take for the Wii novelty to wear off?

It took a few days for me... now it gathers dust because I'm bored of minigames, Zelda doesn't interest me, and everything else on the Wii is either a port (in which case, why play on the Wii?) or a crappy licensed game of some random kiddie movie/tv show.

I know some people like Wii sports, but c'mon, it's a tech demo.

Hopefully Sonic will be good... but only if Sonic Team doesn't get a chance to screw it up.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029458)

What's really an ominous sign for Nintendo is your exact same story is being mentioned by people all over the internet. The only difference is the amount of time it takes someone to go from hype to disillusionment. Some people it takes a few minutes, some a few days, and some a few weeks. What's worse is Nintendo appears to have completely botched online support for the console. Friend codes and developers are just getting online support info this month. Not good.

I can't think of one third party game coming out for the Wii that I am excited about. That sounds a lot like the GameCube all over again.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (3, Interesting)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029784)

I'm really kind of annoyed at the number of "Collection of minigames" games that are comming out for the Wii. Wii sports was fun, dunno about long term staying power though. Thats not a dig on the game, its just my tastes.

But then you get recommendations like Wario Ware and Raving Rabbids. More games of minigames. Theres Elebits and Zelda, and Trauma Center, but what else? Red Steel blows. I'm looking forward to Metroid Prime 3 and Smash Brothers.

I hate to say it, but the one thing Sony Fanboy has been right about is that the lineup of Wii games have been a rather dismal succession of PS2/GC ports and minigames so far.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1, Interesting)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028676)

I agree that the Wii is going to have big problems once the novelty is gone.

I've never seen or used a Wii, but I've got to wonder if the novelty isn't gone for most users of it, already. A $200 device isn't going to have anywhere near the precision (or graphics) necessary to make it a good, long term platform that people will enjoy for years like the PS2 has been. It seems like a gimmick, to me, that will wear off a few days after Christmas.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (4, Informative)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028978)

Christmas was more than a few days ago.

*please mod informative, please mod informative*

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (4, Interesting)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029200)

I consider myself to be a hardcore gamer and for me the Wii novelty wore off after about 2 weeks.

The problem for me is games like Wii sports are just lacking the depth to really hold my attention, and for games like Zelda the use of the Wii remote is just rather "meh". IMO it didn't add anything to Zelda and I would not have enjoyed the game any less using a Wavebird.

so about a month past buying the Wii it's started collecting dust and I've gone back to playing Xbox 360 games. IMO if the Wii wants to get past being a gimmick they need games that have the compelling depth of Zelda combined with the unique and value added controller usage of Wii Sports. So far the only title that really delivers that is Trauma Center, but I've already played that title... on the DS (widescreen support would have been nice too), Red Steel was close but the buggy game mechanics killed what uniqueness the Wii Remote added to it. I'm sure they'll come but as of right now I don't consider the Wii to be much more compelling then the PS3 is right now, if anything it serves as a nice show piece and entertainer when friends and family visit, and I'm sure there will be better games down the road... right now though, and I think the same holds true for many other hardcore gamers, there just isn't enough substance.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029478)

When it comes to console games very few have ever had any substance or depth compared to what I play on the computer. Just curious what you are playing on the xbox360 that has depth to hold your attention. Keep in mind I've only played GoW on the xbox360 and other than I was playing it on my friends HD projector it just seemed like another FPS...

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029376)

I managed to get one of the first Wiis, so I'm about as far along on the 'novelty' scale as anyone. The Wii needs more good games, just like the PS3 does. The major difference is that it DOES have some already.

The biggest problem with the Wii is indeed insensitivity, as you suggest. But only with the pointing aspect. Using it like a laser pointer is horrid. There is NO adjustment to make it fit your TV. The end result is that almost nobody can position the sensor bar so that the area the 'mote reads is actually the area of your TV. It makes ANY gun-type game pointless and frustrating. It makes most games in the new WiiPlay play like crap.

There's only been 3 games that I really enjoy playing.

  1. WiiSports. Excellently done. All the games are fun, just too short.
  2. Excite Truck. I expected a crappy racer. I got a decent racer with a nice gimmicky controller and some interesting terrain deformations and goals.
  3. Trauma Center: Second Opinion. Despite the use of the pointer, this game is surprising fun. I didn't like the DS version because it was way too hard on one of the early surgeries, and I gave up on it.

RPGs suck on it. Yes, I'm including Zelda in that. The WiiMote interface does nothing to improve the game and only makes your arm sore from shaking the 'mote. Avatar was so bad I still have nightmares about it. Can they fix this? Well, they've already claimed they can't do proper sword-waving... Maybe a third-party dev will prove them wrong.

As with any new toy, the novelty is indeed wearing off. I need good games now.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028312)

Shill

Mods: This is funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028398)

The guy is doing a brilliant impression of an over-the-top fanboy.

I mean, I thought he was serious until the last line, and then he kinda gives it away "no wonder the PS3 is nowhere to be found".

I mean, other than every BJ's, Target, BestBuy, Circuit City, and Walmart, he's right. I mean, like dead-on right.

Re:Mods: This is funny (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028690)

Yeah, but at least this time, he didn't tout the PS3's untitled [slashdot.org] , unannounced, unknown developer, unknown release-date, vague-genre games.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028422)

You can get PS3s online in bundles, but they are nowhere to be found in the places I've been to in Los Angeles. One thing that has been really impressing me with Sony and the PS3 has been the frequency of the system updates. Everyone thought that it wasn't going to be until late March before updates started rolling out but Sony has been fixing things and adding features are pretty fast rate. The only real problem I had was the scaling issue on by new 1080p set with PS2 games - after that was fixed I am absolutely loving the system. Resistance is absolutely killer. I've never played an online game with so many people at once and have it be absolutely rock solid stable.

Virtua Fighter is nice but the big Sony game is going to be GoW 2. It puts to shame graphically almost the entire 360 library.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029544)

God of War 2? The PS2 title? It's pretty, but it's not even close to 360 standards, never mind better.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029556)

GoW2 is a PS2 game and looks about as such. It's one of the better looking PS2 games but it looks about on level with gc/xbox/wii games. Not even close to a lot of 360 games....

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028634)

I used to think we had an insane Sony fanboy posting here... now I'm certain it has to be someone being paid by Sony. Nobody is that completely out of touch with reality.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

C0rinthian (770164) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028754)

What're you talking about? His post was rock solid.

If any of this is true... (1, Interesting)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028640)

...they might want to, I dunno, put it in a commercial or something? And, c'mon mods... flamebait? Seriously, there needs to be an IQ test before someone gets mod points.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (3, Informative)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028666)

Rock solid defect free hardware - compared to the nightmare failure rate Microsoft still has going on with the 360.Really? I've seen a pair of them at a UPS Store being shipped back to Sony. I've also read reports from people back in December being told not to expect replacements for two months. Of course, I would assume that this estimate has since been revised, what with supply and all...

Absolutely silent operation - bravo Sony engineering!

Ah, yes...Sony engineering, which also gave us the Square button on the PSP and told us that we were wrong for not liking it. Also, the analog nub on the PSP freaking sucks. I'm glad there's only one, because the one that's there isn't very sensitive at all. You try making a circular motion with it sometime - it doesn't work. There are two speeds possible with it (all the way out and part of the way out), and the angular refinement is pretty shoddy. It's very hard to go from, for example, W to WNW to NW. You'll generally skip straight over WNW. Ever try web-browsing on the thing?

BluRay has won the format war with only a couple months after the PS3 release BluRay already outselling the dying HD-DVD format 3-1. And one of the remaining HD-DVD studios just jumped ship to BluRay today. Pretty much all that remains is for Universal to throw in the towel.

Nice for you not to provide a link here where you did everywhere else. Also, describing this as a format war is like calling the Falkland Islands War a war. The remaining 99.99% of the world didn't even notice it was happening. Also, Sony dumping its crappy back-catalog of movies into Blu-Ray, causing a large chunk of new titles to be made available, is not what I call winning - it's what I call "stacking the deck". Despite it's apparent capacity advantage, Blu-Ray is getting lower marks in the picture quality department, which, if you weren't keeping track, is kind of important to the people willing to drop $2000+ on a TV and $500+ on a high-def DVD player.

PS3 has the top selling game in Japan now - Japan will be a fierce battle between Sony and Nintendo. Nintendo really needs to work on their release schedule. Wii owners are getting restless as the novelty of games like Wii Sports is wearing off.

"Top-selling" is hardly the way to put it. With over double the install base of the 360, it hasn't managed to come close to outselling Blue Dragon. Watch next week, as Virtua Fighter 5 drops back to the mid-20's, while Wii Sports and Wii Play continues to sell the same amount each week (which proves that the novelty isn't exactly wearing off).

Early previews are going gaga over Motorstorm with another online win for Sony with another completely lagfree game.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1103341 [hardforum.com] [hardforum.com]


No...RECENT previews are saying "Hey, this doesn't suck anymore". Early previews said it was complete and utter shit. Oh, and hey - that's the one the Japanese got! I'm sure they love the PS3!

The Playstation Network is cranking out all sorts of very cool indy games like Flow and GripShift and we are only a couple months into adding content.

No...the PlayStation Network is releasing a port of a Flash game that's been out for over a year, and another not-so-great Sony-first-party junker. Oh yeah - and the rubber ducky game.

The one issue with HD tvs and PS2/PS1 games has been fixed and PS3 owners have rock solid 99 percent backwards compatibility with the giant library of PS2 and PS1 games.

It's not 99%. Closer to 90%. Music games are still broken. Also, the "one issue" is actually two issues, one of which has been fixed. Ask a 720p-set owner if they're happy that they can't play in 1080i anymore.

Virtua Fighter just about to hit the shelves.

It did hit the shelves in Japan. It landed with a thud. See above.

GDC sounds like Sony is going to have some pretty big announcements with even more PS3 exclusive games and other previews.

By "even more", you mean "six" instead of "five"?

Europe is going nuts with PS3 fever with record pre-orders for the system. Not surprising with the absolutely insane list of launch games.

The launch list is pretty much the same as the US. Which everyone generally agrees was pretty snooze-worthy, outside of Resistance. "Insane" is a pretty good word to use - you're crazy to expect people to pay 400 pounds or more for exactly one game they can't get anywhere else. Also, "record pre-orders" just means that in the first week, one retailer logged 15K pre-orders. Ask me how many Wii preorders there were. Go ahead. Ask.

No wonder the PS3 is nowhere to be found online or in stores.

This point hardly needs to be addressed. By the way, if anyone in Baton Rouge wants one, the Target on Millerville has 40 of them. That's two-score, mind you.

What a fucking awesome time to be a Playstation owner. Then again, when has that ever not been the case.

If we're talking about the PS3...Hmm...Right about "now" seems to be a good answer.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029096)

http://www.worldinhd.com/movabletype/archives/2007 /02/studio_canal_la.html [worldinhd.com]

Studio Canal was one of the last HD-DVD exclusive studios. Now it is pretty much just Universal keeping HD-DVD on life-support. Universal isn't going to be able to hold out much longer.

The Nielsen numbers show BluRay anywhere from 2:1 to 3:1 sales advantage and the gap is growing. And this is all before the PS3 has even launched in Europe. Like someone in the avs forums recently posted, all that's left for HD-DVD supporters is the screaming.

Re:Landed with a thud? At number 1 (1, Informative)

acomj (20611) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029170)

Virtual Fighter was #1 in japan last week. Landing with a thud?

You should research a little before making patently FALSE statements.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/15/japanese-softwar e-sales-week-ending-02-11-07/ [joystiq.com]

One wonders why you care so much about all the consoles doing OK?

Re:Landed with a thud? At number 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029530)

Patently false? People thought the sales numbers would be easily double that. There are 360 titles *besides* Blue Dragon which sold better. Blockbuster games in Japan usually land with at least 200K in sales in the first work. To fail to break 50K is very telling. And again - it barely edged out Wii Sports, which has been available for over two months.

Re:Landed with a thud? At number 1 (4, Informative)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029628)

The "Thud" comment is (reasonably) justified ... According to VGCharts.org Virtual Fiter 5 sold 49,500 in it's first week

Last week Lets Make a J-League Pro Soccer Club 5 sold 108,250 and Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On sold 81,000 in their first week ...
The week before Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas sold 220,750 and Romance of the Three Kingdoms Wars DS sold 81,750 in their first week ...
And the week before that hack G.U. Vol. 3 sold 132,750 and Wario: Master of Disguise sold 94,000 in their first week ...

These are very 'average' games in Japan selling 2 to 4 times as much as Virtual Fighter 5 did ... Another way to look at it is that Virtual Fighter 4 sold 367,500 in its first week. At this pace Sega will be lucky if Virtual Fighter 5 sells 100,000 to 200,000 copies in it's lifetime.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029228)

"It's not 99%. Closer to 90%. Music games are still broken. Also, the "one issue" is actually two issues, one of which has been fixed. Ask a 720p-set owner if they're happy that they can't play in 1080i anymore."

Uh, the exact number of PS2/PS games with issues is known. Sony has a amazing database of every single PS2/PS game made with any issues the game has running on the PS3. No matter how small and trivial those issues are. The number of perfect games is up near 97-98 percent. And of the remaing games with issues many of the issues are thing like one pixel is off when running on the PS3. Yes that is one of actual issues for one of the games that 'don't work' on the PS3. The only major issue for PS2 games are the Guitar Hero controller and harddrive games.

Sorry, but no one is falling for your '90 percent' BS.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18029692)

While you're busy pulling out your bullet points, you might double-check the fact that Sony has fixed the hard-disk games issue. In the mean time, music games (there's more than just Guitar Hero, you know) are still unplayable. We're talking Beatmania, DDR, Guitar Freaks/Drummania, and Pop'n Music, all of which are big, *big* in Japan.

Blueray/HD DVD format war (1)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029296)

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/12/ 2016222&threshold=1 [slashdot.org]

I think he was referring to the above slashdot article, basically in the last couple of months more blue-ray films have been released compared to HD-DVD, meaning there are now more Blue-ray films, which surprisingly means that more people bought Blue_ray disks over a month. To be honest I do think Blue_ray is going to win the format war since HD-DVD has had such a head start but doesn't seem to have much if any lead on Blue Ray.

Still hedging my bets tho

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (2, Informative)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028696)

Is this all sarcasm that's lost over the interweb? A few things.

1) Everytime I try the PS3 in a department store, it freezes or is already froze due to overheating.

2) Silent operation? Not sure about that. But, have you seen the insides of a PS3? It's 50% heatsink. Sure, it might run quiet, but even with the massive heatsink, it still overheats...and the trade off is the size of the system. It's absolutely massive.

3) Last I checked, my local target had 5 PS3's, the EB across the street actually has a unit they've had since the first of the year, most stores I go to have "PS3 now in stock" signs (coincidentally right next to the "Wii currently unavailable signs"). Face, it, the PS3 is in stock everywhere. People who say otherwise live in an area that's having a spike in sales/popularity or an area that's getting below average allocations. FUD.

4) BlueRay has far from won the format war. HD DVD was winning the war by a long shot until recently. It's yet to be seen whether the current spike in BlueRay sales has anything to do with the free movie Sony was giving away with PS3's or any of the current buy one get one free BlueRay DVD incentives that have been going on (most definitely Sony throwing fuel on the fire to hype their format...they're dead in the water if it fails).

5) Virtua Fight 5 is already out in Japan. While it did top the charts with 48,346 in sales, It was only 3000 units ahead of Wii Sports, a game that's been on the market for over 2 months. Opening week big sellers typically always go to the 100k sales range the first week.

6) Europe is not going crazy with preorders. This is FUD. If you want a UK news site's opinion on this, try this article: http://news.spong.com/article/11800 [spong.com]

7) You say "PS3 has the top selling game in Japan now " and then you say "Virtua Fighter is almost out." Are you just making things up, because Virtua Fighter IS out and IS the top selling game in Japan. Again, however, only by 3k units, being trailed closely by a game that's been out for months.

FUD FUD FUD

The PS3 will have it's heyday in the future when the price comes down and there's compelling titles. Until then, I suggest that you don't fall for Sony marketing FUD and live up to the reality that it's underperforming in the marketplace right now, even by it's skeptics predictions.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028846)

VF5 is out in JAPAN already and is the top selling game there.
VF5 is ABOUT to come out in the US.

Clear or does it need to made simpler for you?

I won't bother with the rest of your fanboy tantrum.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029554)

I won't bother with the rest of your fanboy tantrum.

Why? Because it has less to do with being a fanboy (pot calling kettle black, eh Sony fanboy?) and more to do with reality?

Seriously, how can you honestly keep saying that they're sold out when theres tons of evidence going around that they aren't? I can walk into my Gamestop right now and buy one. Its hard to take you seriously when you don the fanboy goggles and sound like you're about to cream yourself whenever you talk about the PS3.

Seriously.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029596)

VF5 is out in Japan and is only the top selling game by 3k units, it's opening week. Can I make it any clearer for you? How about by posting some hard figures on 1st week sales of the VF series (blatently ripped from user dohhyulittle at www.gamesarefun.com):

Virtua Fighter series First Week Sales: (Famitsu)
11/21/1994: SAT Virtua Fighter - 64,718 (Saturn Launch title)
11/27/1995: SAT Virtua Fighter 2 - 540,539
11/23/1998: DC Virtua Fighter 3tb - 97,659
(DreamCast Launch title)
1/28/2002: PS2 Virtua Fighter 4 - 356,897
2/5/2007: PS3 Virtua Fighter 5 - 48,346

It's clearly the slowest selling VF game ever. Read into this as you will. As far as the rest of my "fanboy" tantrum? All I did was respond point to point to your Sony "fanboy" tantrum. When you make blanket statements with no substance to back it up, expect someone to shoot you down.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029532)

Until last week I couldn't order a PS3 anywhere in my city centre, it wasn't until last thursday that the game shops put up signs letting you know you could pre-order a PS3. That means just over a month of possible pre-orders, a comparision would be my PSP that was available for pre-order for 4 months before its release where I lived.

That pre-order time makes all the difference when I pre-ordered my PSP I started putting money away each month so come release day I had all of the cash, I have a month to save up for a PS3 (yes I know its been scheduled for March for a while but without a specific date I was very skeptical that it would make it.)

The Wii is sadly still suffering stock problems and isn't making it onto the floor due to a back log of people asking for them, however I would like to make a point. Secondary sales (more Wii games, Wii joystick thing etc....) aren't selling in the store where I work. People buy a Wii and have Wii Sports but don't seem to be buying anything else which is odd I think. Thats purely ancedotal but I'd be curious if others see the same pattern.

Will I be pre-ordering a PS3? I'm still not sure £464.97 for a PS3 and One game is alot of money.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029828)

I know when the Wii came out the attach rate was significantly higher than the PS3. Something between 2 and 3 if I remember correctly. Also, Wii controllers were in very short supply around Illinois for a very long time. I'm not sure what the current situation is to be honest.

Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18028988)

Wow, the Microsoft fanboys are going apeshit. Guess that is what happens when reality collides with guys who sit around reading nothing but Zonk FUD and teamxbox forums.

I think out of all of the good news about the PS3, the people going crazy over Resistance online are the real knife in the heart for the Xbox fanboys. Online was the one thing they always held onto in the past and right out the door at launch Sony blew any Xbox 360 online game out of the water.

Ouch!

Vaporware (3, Interesting)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028288)

"We have a hard drive, we have a commerce engine, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out we will have that on the network very shortly."

Define "very shortly". The PSP was supposed to have this functionality for music over a *year* ago. It's been delayed so many times that I think people have largely forgotten about it. Sony was always talking about being able to use Sony Connect to purchase music and possibly videos on/for the PSP (in order to posture the PSP as a competitor to the iPod), but that clearly has not yet taken place. Why should the PS3 be any different?

Cost reduction (4, Informative)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028356)

Sony is selling the PS/3 at a loss. I've seen estimates as high as $300 (loss) per unit. Clearly their strategy is to get the manufacturing cost down ASAP and recover some of the loss via higher game royalty payments. They MAY even be limiting production - at least till they can further lower manufacturing costs.

A risky strategy, when you consider the deep pockets of Microsoft (also selling their console at a loss), and that Nintendo is actually making a profit on their consoles. But it's still early in the cycle for this generation of consoles. Personally, I'm cheering for Nintendo. But it's MUCH to early to count Sony out of the game.

The PS3 has it rough (4, Interesting)

Hott of the World (537284) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028420)

The problem is 50% perception, and 50% targeted market. Here's what I mean:

"Perception": People see 600 - 800 dollars and no games. They see a huge Sony ego and laughable selling numbers. No one's buying it, no one wants one.

Reality: It can be bought here in the US for as little as 499 if you want the 20GB model, and if you're patient by summer we'll have a healthy injection of new games on the PS3. They even have more demos and movie trailers available in the PS3 network for free. Games are coming, and patience is key. I'm not an apologist. This is just how new consoles tend to work.

As for the ego, it's there. But it's not contempt for consumers, as most detractors would have you believe. It's confidence. They're saying, "we're number 1". Sony needs to be seen as confident in this console outing. You want them to say "Yeah it sucks, get an Xbox?"

The price is out of necessity, not arrogance. They're definitely losing more per console than Microsoft. Blu-ray was a risk, but not a totally harmful one. Prices will come down and the complaining will slowly go away

"Target market" is the other aspect that's hurting the PS3.

Not only do people not want to drop 500-600-800 dollars on a game system, they certainly don't want to pay more for the same games. That's the problem most 360 owners see with the PS3. They can't envy it any. Pay tons more for some future exclusives? Laughable.

The PS3 is for people who want blu-ray, PS3, PS2, and don't have a 360 already, and are willing to spend at least 500 bucks for it, probably more. That's not a great subset of people.

With all of that, it's a testimony to the power of Sony and its future exclusives that so many people are buying the thing.

Re:The PS3 has it rough (1)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028648)

""Perception": People see 600 - 800 dollars and no games. They see a huge Sony ego and laughable selling numbers. No one's buying it, no one wants one. Reality: It can be bought here in the US for as little as 499 if you want the 20GB model, and if you're patient by summer we'll have a healthy injection of new games on the PS3. They even have more demos and movie trailers available in the PS3 network for free. Games are coming, and patience is key. I'm not an apologist. This is just how new consoles tend to work."
So the perception is that there are no games. And your reply to this (your "reality") is that there will be new games in the summer. First, the perception is that there are no good games currently available. Just because some good games may come out in the summer does not change the fact that the perception and the reality of PS3 games RIGHT NOW is accurate.

Anyway, my perception is that Sony is a terrible company that installs root kits on the computers of customers and files blanket lawsuits on legitimate companies in order to trounce consumer freedoms. I have the right of resale. Sony can take their lawsuits against lik-sang and stuff it. I will never buy a PS3.

Re:The PS3 has it rough (1)

Hott of the World (537284) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029190)

Sorry, in my defense, I was trying to point out that while it's true right now, its not indicative of the console's success in the grand scheme of things. It's not uncommon for a console, It has good reason for it, and It's almost over.

"Anyway, my perception is that Sony is a terrible company that installs root kits on the computers of customers and files blanket lawsuits on legitimate companies in order to trounce consumer freedoms. I have the right of resale. Sony can take their lawsuits against lik-sang and stuff it. I will never buy a PS3."

Sony is a terrible company. I wont hide it, nor will I make excuses. But I've bought things from terrible companies before, and I'll probably do it again.

Re:The PS3 has it rough (1)

Xymor (943922) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029308)

Yes, but are they worst than Microsoft(I'm not even enumerate why)?? How about Nintendo? Remeber Hiroshi Yamauchi reich?

Botton line, they are all evil companies, but which one is the lesser evil?

Re:The PS3 has it rough (4, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028726)

As for the ego, it's there. But it's not contempt for consumers, as most detractors would have you believe. It's confidence. They're saying, "we're number 1". Sony needs to be seen as confident in this console outing. You want them to say "Yeah it sucks, get an Xbox?"

Obviously, but there's a point where confidence does become contempt. Or at least where it is seen as arrogance and presumption, and the customer is offended. As for me, that line was crossed by Sony's gaming division when they said that they thought people would get another job if they had to in order to get a PS3. It was the presumption that their shit was so hot that we would fall all over ourselves to get it, no matter what. That's not an appropriate form of confidence. It's the difference between "we will defeat our competitiors!" and Romero-esque "Ya'll are my bitches!"

It's kinda like the dating scene. You need to be confident, right? Well there's a difference between going up to a beautiful woman in a way that suggests you are not intimidated by her, and walking up and saying "Hey babe, I'm the man of your dreams, you'll be sucking my dick by the end of the night, even after I do THIS!" and then slapping her.

That might work sometimes (run screaming if it does), but it is hardly a good way to achieve broad market penetration, if you catch my drift.

The price is killing it (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028498)

It's a really good time to be Nintendo, with the only "affordable" (everyone has a different definition of that word, I'm looking at it from a casual persons concept of "what I'd pay for a video game console") system out there. 360 is a little more tenable, but still sort of in the "hardcore" price range.

With no HDTV, there's no compelling reason at this point to own either PS3 or 360. Eventually they'll have some more (and some *subjective word* good) exclusive titles, but as it is, almost everything is available for regular Xbox or PS2. So far I've yet to be blown away by any next-gen games, and here I sit with a Wii, and a 360, and really no games out there asking me to buy them. I have twilight princess and dead rising, respectively.

It'll be a slower growth this time around. People aren't all that stupid, they know that despite all the techno-specs, they see the PS2/Xbox doing pretty much the same thing with pretty much the same controller. Developers don't necessarily want to jump onto 360/PS3, because the installed base of Xbox/PS2s is so large, there's much less room for profit.

Also, interviews with MSFT and Sony reps are boring. They don't make video games, they just sell hardware.

Re:The price is killing it (2, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#18028948)

So far I've yet to be blown away by any next-gen games, and here I sit with a Wii, and a 360, and really no games out there asking me to buy them. I have twilight princess and dead rising, respectively.

Well, that might be your problem. Twilight Princess is very much a last-gen game in terms of everything but the Wiimote control (it spent years in development on the GC before a last-minute switch to Wii), and Dead Rising has ... problems with non-HDTVs that can severely hamper your enjoyment of the game. Neither is a graphical powerhouse (though Dead Rising is deceptive -- the non-cut-scene graphics aren't stunning like Gears of War, but then you realize you can have a thousand zombies on screen along with all of the breakable environment bits without any slowdown). I definitely enjoyed both (I actually enjoyed Dead Rising more than TP, since I got bored with TP about a 3rd of the way into the game), but I wouldn't really hold up either as the pinnacle of next gen game design for either console.

For the 360, I recommend you pick up Gears of War, Viva Pinata, and Oblivion (if you haven't played it on PC, of course). Those three games are some of the most graphically impressive (even on an SDTV), and the gameplay is diverse enough (stop-and-pop shooter, pokemon-like Sims game, open-ended action/rpg) to satisfy different gaming desires. If you're into racing, I'd also recommend you keep an eye out for Forza 2 in the next couple months (I think the release date is May something?), which should blow away anything Gran Turismo has to offer on the PS3.

For the Wii, there's really only one choice, and it's not about graphics. Since the Wii is all about the Wiimote, any representative game will have to do something innovative with it. I've been told Rayman: Raving Rabbids is excellent in that respect, but I haven't gotten around to picking that up because I already have the definitive Wii game -- Warioware: Smooth Moves. This is the game that will show you what is possible with the Wiimote (some obvious methods are obvious, others seem completely nuts, but all work beautifully). The game is a series of 5-second minigames, so that may not float your boat. I enjoy it because I can play for a couple minutes and then go do something else. But you must own this game if only to satisfy yourself that yes, somebody out there understands the Wiimote and can do great and innovative things with it.

Also, interviews with MSFT and Sony reps are boring. They don't make video games, they just sell hardware.

Last I checked, both Sony and Microsoft had in-house game development divisions. While you're right that the rep who is doing the interview doesn't make games, that rep doesn't sell hardware either. They're just spokespeople (sometimes bad like Kutaragi, sometimes good like Reggie, and sometimes neutral like Peter Moore).

Re:The price is killing it (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029052)

It's a really good time to be Nintendo, with the only "affordable" (everyone has a different definition of that word, I'm looking at it from a casual persons concept of "what I'd pay for a video game console") system out there.

The Playstation 2 is still available for sale, costs about $130 brand new, and if titles like Guitar Hero II are any indication, the console is far from dead yet.

The problem Sony faces is how to prevent PS2 sales from cannibalizing potential PS3 sales. Well, that's one of the problems they face.

Re:The price is killing it (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029140)

I wouldn't really say is as big a problem as you think. I think it's to Sony's benefit that the PS2 continues to sell well until the PS3 is more established with more big name exclusives. They're netting a healthy profit from each PS2 sold, and of course since there are so many out there I'm sure they net even more profit from the software flying off the shelves.

Once the PS2 finally starts to die down the PS3 will suddenly be there with MGS4, DMC4, FF13, along with new franchises like Motorstorm, Lair, and Heavenly Sword. It will look much much much more appealing come holiday 2007 so I think that's likely when we're going to see the PS3 make some big sales.

Re:The price is killing it, but is it dead yet? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029622)

The Playstation 2 is still available for sale, costs about $130 brand new, and if titles like Guitar Hero II are any indication, the console is far from dead yet.

Actually, my son picked up one on sale this past summer for $100 brand new. And Guitar Hero III is coming out for the Wii.

He's dead, Jim.

Must be doing something right (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029012)

The PS3 60GB model has an amazing sales rank of 58 [amazon.com]

Why is that amazing? Because Amazon does not carry the PS3 (except in short bursts where it sells out in minutes). The only ones you can buy are from third party sellers through Amazon for $720 or more (that's over $100 above list).

So while you can find them in some stores, the PS3 must be doing something right if people are willing to pay $100 above retail to get them through Amazon.

If Sony can raise production to the point where Amazon can list them for 24 hour shipping, then I think we'll see sales rise - also the release of Motorstorm should be another notch up in sales.

Re:Must be doing something right (2, Informative)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029360)

The PS3 60GB model has an amazing sales rank of 58

Where the 20GB XBox 360 has a (pretty constant) sales rank of 5 and the Nintendo Wii has a sales rank of 4 according to eproduct wars [eproductwars.com] .

So while you can find them in some stores, the PS3 must be doing something right if people are willing to pay $100 above retail to get them through Amazon.

No, it demonstrates how stupid people are because you can get a 60GB [gamestop.com] or 20GB [gamestop.com] PS3 from Gamestop.com for the regular price.

Re:Must be doing something right, or are they? (3, Insightful)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029388)

So while you can find them in some stores, the PS3 must be doing something right if people are willing to pay $100 above retail to get them through Amazon.

Of course, Amazon ships to countries where they won't let you buy a PS3 at retail yet ...

I'm not sure where the PS3 stands but.... (1, Funny)

Mizled (1000175) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029416)

I'm not sure where the PS3 stands but my Wii stands right beside my TV...

It is Inevitable, It is Our Destiny (1)

Conception (212279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029564)

So, I really don't want to buy a PS3, and I'm not impressed with the system really at all. I'm really happy whenever something bad happens to Sony because, They Are Dicks. This is fact.

But, I have no delusions that the PS3 will not be amazingly successful. Because the PS3 has two franchises that the 360, currently, does not (So, I'll put in my disclaimer that if exclusivity is broken, my post is moot): Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy. It doesn't matter if we hate Sony. It doesn't matter if its over priced. It doesn't matter that they are dicks, which they are by the way. And it doesn't matter if we all want them to fail. When those franchises come out with their latest version, and people see that those latest versions are amazing and awesome and stupendous and the greatest of the series blah blah blah, they will buy. I wish they wouldn't, but they will. If the 360 has 20 million and the Wii has 20 million in households, people will still buy.

And you know what the -worst- part of it all is?

So will you. So will I.

Re:It is Inevitable, It is Our Destiny (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029820)

You do realize that 80% of the PS2's userbase did not buy a Final Fantasy or Grand Turismo game, right? [the top selling GT game was GT3 at 14.84 Million and the top selling FF game was Fianl Fantasy X at 7.93 Million]

What people never seem to get is that people bought a PS2 because videogames are an inexpensive form of entertainment and the Playstation 2 was the most popular videogame system on the market; currently, you can't say that the PS3 is inexpensive, and the PS3 is not the most popular system on the market.

First game is here (3, Interesting)

mechapanda (1014307) | more than 7 years ago | (#18029592)

A bit of context:
I'm a long term Sega fan, and when I first moved to Tokyo 12 years ago spent up to 3 hours a night in my local arcade playing Virtua Fighter 2, Fighting Vipers, and Virtua On Oratorio Tangram, and played all three in competition.

The release of the Dreamcast meant that I got to get the "arcade experience" at home, Soul Calibur with the official Sega arcade controller, and Virtua On with the Twin Stick controller was the best an arcade gamer could could buy.

Until now:)

----

Yesterday the first of the games I bought my PS3 for turned up, Virtua Fighter 5 and the Sega arcade controller.

The controller is simply amazing, cost a fortune but an hour after unpacking it I was online ordering a second! It's currently sitting next to my Dreamcast official arcade controller which , well, looks a little tired.

The game is purely for fight game fans, nothing here for the mass market, but for anyone who spent hours in an arcade playing the various Virtua Fighters it is an absolute must have.

I don't want to even think about much a HDTV, PS3, and controller cost but I'm happy so it was money well spent:)

Forget the console wars, if you are a arcade fight game fan, you need this game, the Tekken download, two Sega controllers, and a PS3. Sell blood if you have to, but get it.
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