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230 comments

LINUX (1)

BWS (104239) | more than 14 years ago | (#1582997)

what if we bought a big space on the moon (the side that always faced Earth) and put the word L-I-N-U-X in REALLY REALLY BIG letter?

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (1)

bi0s (45563) | more than 14 years ago | (#1582998)

No, It does not. It can't, & neither can any other nation. A few decades ago, the U.N. (the body that does nothing) ratified, & I believe all countries signed a law saying that no nation can own a part of the solar system. Or something like that ;)

Tom

Must Look Different Up Close (1)

Bob(TM) (104510) | more than 14 years ago | (#1582999)

Humm - funny, the moon doesn't look like a bridge from here ...

I thought I owned the Moon. (0)

Kismet (13199) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583020)

Plus I claim exclusive rights to Rigel, the martian moon Deimos, and any planetary system found in the Greater Magelanic Cloud.

I demand that all governments remove any of their space junk that they have put on my moon. And destroy any probes that may be travelling in my space. Otherwise, I will have to start charging royalty fees.

Not to mention that I have a patent on the cloud patterns on Jupiter. It pisses me off to see people publishing pictures of them without me knowing.

Serious advice (2)

marcinka (79004) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583021)

Be careful when you choose a planet to put your money in. Due to limitations of the TCP/IP standard (2 minute timeout) you won't be able to access the 'net from your favorite Mars part.

It's a good argument to use when negotiating the price :)

WAR!!!! (0)

c+era (102193) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583022)

Lets face it, if country X starts selling land on the moon country Y will get upset. Then those countries will fight each other to gain control of the moon. After one country wins the conlinies on the moon will rebel starting another war. In the end the colinies on the moon will win and country X and Y will lose.

Read the small print (5)

vik (17857) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583023)

Uh, guys, isn't this a novelty item?

Nobody owns the moon. Ownership is prohibited by a few treaties. Details of the legal aspects of owning the moon can be found off the Artemis Society homepage [asi.org] , specifically in the Frequently Raised Objections [asi.org] section.

As an aside, TransOrbital Inc. [transorbital.net] is going to be taking pictures of the moon using a telescope in lunar orbit, so people will be able to have a picture of "their" plot if they choose.

Vik :v)

Re:... (1)

Rhombus (104176) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583024)

Prior inhabitants have never been much of an obstacle to 'manifest destiny'. Just ask the Indians.

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (2)

MenTaLguY (5483) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583025)

After all, if you went there and declared autonomy, who would come stop you?

Lack of food, fuel, and oxygen.


Berlin-- http://www.berlin-consortium.org [berlin-consortium.org]

Annoying profiteering (2)

substrate (2628) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583026)

This is a really annoying form of profiteering. It's capitalizing on peoples interest in space and space exploration. There's technically nothing wrong with of course. I find it sad however that no good will come from this for space exploration. People are going to hand over money for a useless certificate.

I'd much rather see people donate money to the Planetary Society. Sure, you don't get a nifty laser printed certificate you can pretend entitles you to interplanetary real estate but maybe you'll fund some useful research.

loophole (1)

Bastian (66383) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583027)

ahh but that law says no NATION.

US doesn't own the moon at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583028)

The U.S.S.R. was the first to land on the moon, your government just didn't let you know, poor americans. BTW the amstrong landing was a scam, they had shoot it some place in Nevada and Quebec, don't believe everything you see on TV.

Moon Ownership Law (4)

Head Louse (68482) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583029)

According to Discover [discovery.com] : The 1979 resolution states that the moon and its natural resources are the common heritage of mankind and that the moon shall not be used for military purposes. It also declares that any benefits derived from the exploitation of the moon's natural resources will be shared, "whereby the interests and needs of the developing countries, as well as the efforts of those countries which have contributed either directly or indirectly to the exploration of the moon, shall be given special consideration."
Only problem with the Moon Treaty is that the United States and the other space-faring civilizations refused to sign it.

According to the The Artimis Project [asi.org] :
The Moon is a venue of "lex nullus"; that is, it is identical in legal status to the high seas, meaning that nobody can own it and everybody can go there.

Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (1)

Gothland (34482) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583037)

I mean, by really old common-law type standards, first person to put a flag on the territory gets it, yes?

Now they've done it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583041)

They've taken capitalism too far!

The World's Oldest Profession (2)

FeeDBaCK (42286) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583043)

Good... Now I can finally fulfill my plans to bring prostitution to space. I bet that would get people interested in space travel. ;]

Actually, I would like to see who bites onto this one and starts buying up chunks of the moon.

I want the... (1)

Jimhotep (29230) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583047)

I want the "face" on Mars. Should be
worth millions to my great grand children!

import/export laws (2)

eries (71365) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583051)

What's the NSA going to say about importing new Martian encryption technology? Or, heaven forbid, providing the new superadvancedaliens with 128-bit DES :)

Moon (1)

viking099 (70446) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583052)

Yeah, man! I wanna buy the big red spot on Jupiter!
"When the Earth hits your eyes, like a big pizza pie, that's amore'" heh... cool.

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (1)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583055)

If I recall correctly, the moon is a neutral zone.

International Agreement? (2)

Speef (48687) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583057)

I thought there was an international agreement to prevent territory wars that said that no country or person could lay claim to land outside of earth? This would seem to be in violation of that...

Re:Moon (1)

Bastian (66383) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583058)

except that the red spot is an atmosphereic anomaly and is always moving.

You'd be as well off trying to buy El Nino.

Futurama (1)

greenfly (40953) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583059)

"As long as you don't ask me to smell Uranus."

"We don't call it that anymore, astronomers changed the name in the 2200's to avoid that little joke."

"Oh really? What's it called now?"

"Urectum."

Re:What next...? (2)

MenTaLguY (5483) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583060)

I can say to you that I will sell you a spot on Mars, but if (someday) you could go to that little spot that I said you own and you find little green men living there, it is no longer thiers?

More or less. At least, that's the way it worked when we screwed over the American Indians.

I would like to sell people little glass vacuum spheres. Then you can say you own nothing, and it is something!

In all seriousness, that's not a bad idea for a novelty gift.


Berlin-- http://www.berlin-consortium.org [berlin-consortium.org]

Re:MS Mars, MS Moon... (2)

GaspodeTheWonderDog (40464) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583061)

Does that mean that people will then suffer Venus envy?

Slashdot Mirror! (2)

gregstoll (90319) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583062)

I'm gonna host the first Slashdot mirror on the moon! Of course, it will be a little slow, but think of the media coverage!

Neutral Zone?! (1)

Cebert (69916) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583063)

> If I recall correctly, the moon is a neutral
> zone.

WHAT? We must have been desprate to risk war with the ROMULANS!!

;)

Seriously though, the idea of any one country "claiming" anything outside of the planet is pretty sickening. Unforunately, while the major countries seem to have restraint, I can certainly see some of the smaller war-like nations trying to claim it for themselves. :/

Straight from the Lunar FAQ. (3)

jelwell (2152) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583064)

Straight from the Lunar FAQ.

Do you believe in the Prime Directive?
Answer
We do. Really. It's more than just a silly rule, but more a philosophy to life. We feel, we all must learn to respect all life, no matter what it looks like or where it came from. Our team has several Star Trek fans, mainly TNG tho, so please don't ask them about what Kirk did in episode 27. Their favorite Trek episodes are The Inner Light (TNG), although the Borg ones as well as All Good Things, rank right up there amongst the top ever, surely. Ah. They don't make them like they used to. Please note, that in honour of Star Trek VIII:"First Contact", the next two Lunar Cities will be named "Tycho-City" and "New-Berlin" as mentioned in the film. Our message is: Live now, because now, will never come again.

What happened to "Live long and prosper"? Who's the star trek fan?
Joseph Elwell.

Re:International Agreement? (4)

orac2 (88688) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583065)

The agreement in question is the Outer Space Treaty [un.or.at] and it's been around since 1967. The US, the UK and Russia were founder signatories. The most relevant piece here is "outer space is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means".

So, even if its not technically illegal to claim a piece of the Moon or Mars as your real estate in the US, the claim has no force outside the jurisdiction of the US, and the US is forbidden from extending it's sovereign territory into space. So it's pretty worthless having a claim on the Sea of Tranquility if your claim isn't actually valid there...

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (1)

tekman (95776) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583066)

This is why the concept of real estate has never been a good one. No one can really own land.

Land can be occupied. That's what armies are for. They occupy land that their respective countries claim and repel others who claim it.

Which bring us to the problem of the moon. Does the US own the moon, as has been suggested? My invariable answer must be no. The US neither exploiting its resources (any more than anyone else on the planet, anyway), nor occupying it.

The question is would the US attempt to defend the moon from invasion from other sovereign powers? For example, if {insert your least favorite country here - if it's the US insert your second choice} started building a colony on the moon, would the US start a war over it?

Actually, I find it more likely that the US would just send country#2 a bill. Or legislate that no one may build moon colonies. Especially if the name of the moon colony closely resembles the name of a government website. :-)

Re:LINUX (1)

greenfly (40953) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583081)

That's like that Tick episode where Chairface Chippendale starts to write on the moon and only half succeeds, what was cool was that in each following show, whenever the moon was in the shot, that writing was still there.


Spoooooooooon!

Re:MS Mars, MS Moon... (1)

Bastian (66383) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583082)

MS Moon could be dangerous! In about 5 years it would bloat to such considerable size that it would consume Terra!

Property has no value unless you can defend it (1)

Skipio (13086) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583083)

Yeah, the company can perhaps legally sell land on the Moon and Mars but is the ownership of some real estate in outer space really worth anything unless you can defend it? If you can't defend your property you don't really own it. How would you stop anyone from just taking your land? You can't. We can just look at history and see for example how the white people kicked the Indians off their own land because the Indian couldn't defend it well enough. And the Indians at least had spears and arrows. If you would buy some real estate on the Moon you wouldn't have anything except that single piece of paper stating that you own that area. But who would ever care about that piece of paper? You could perhaps argue that the government would defend your land in outer space, just like it does here on Earth, but would the US government really spend millions of dollars to stop someone from stealing your property on the Moon? I think not.

Perhaps I'm just taking this just a little bit too seriously :)

I own a piece of the Moon (1)

bolind (33496) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583084)

I actually own a piece of the moon.

Quoting from my "Martian Deed":

Area I-32, Quadrant Echo 1, Lot Number 844
This property is located 029 squares south and 004 squares east of the extreme northwest corner of the recognized Martian chart.

Seriously, I have a piece of the moon from this company. It was given to me by a friend of mine a year or two back. He thought it was hilarious, and I found it quite amusing myself.

It does say: "this is a novelty gift".

I wish I could put up a scan, but I don't have a scanner nearby...

This should be filed under "humor"... (2)

JoeyLemur (10451) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583085)

According to international law, the UN, etc. etc... the Moon is not owned by any one entity, and therefore, having someone "selling" territory on it is impossible.

Its all kinda pointless until we actually manage to actually establish a viable colony, anyway...

What is the TLD for the Moon? (1)

Cy Guy (56083) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583086)

Will ICANN handle domain name registration for the .moon .venus .mars etc. domains? Or will they be assigned standard ISO 3166 codes?

I know that .io (which might be a good TLD for banks and other lending institutions) is already assigned to the British Indian Ocean Territories, so they will have to have a less intuitive domain, unless moons are only given second level domain names under the planet around which they revolve. This would mean that our moon would have to be given the .moon.earth domain or the .luna.earth domain.

By the way, did you know there are already 247 ISO 3166 codes assigned? That means that we are almost 40% of the way to assigning every possible 2-letter abbreviation available.

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (1)

mmontour (2208) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583087)

In Heinlein's "The Man Who Sold The Moon", a few different ideas are kicked around - one of them is that the moon "belongs" to those countries over which it orbits (intersected by a line from the moon to the center of the earth). Over the course of a year this would sweep out a band of equatorial countries, but would also touch a bit of the USA (though not the USSR). A good story, and an early reference to the idea of using the moon as an advertising billboard. :-)

I think (but I'm not certain) this story is contained in this [barnesandnoble.com] collection (at barnesanddnoble.com).

mmm... mooooon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583088)

They should release moon as GPL!

Re:LINUX (2)

Bastian (66383) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583089)

or better yet, "f0bic, your seksi voice helped me through the night"

Better than cracking MS (1)

Ryanwoodings (60314) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583090)

Or maybe you could write "Carrie is cute" instead of cracking MS to write it on their homepage. I'm sure your girlfriend would love that!!!! (more than the chocolate and flowers)

Better than cracking MS (1)

Ryanwoodings (60314) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583101)

Or maybe you could write "Carrie is cute" instead of cracking MS to write it on their homepage. I'm sure your girlfriend would love that!!!! (more than the chocolate and flowers)

BTW - Any Boise, ID BeOS users out there?

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (3)

EngrBohn (5364) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583102)

IANAL, and it has been four years since I took a "Space Treaties and Legislation" class...
Under The Outer Space Treaty (short title), no country can stake claim on an extraterrestial body (including the Moon) -- says nothing about private organizations. The Moon Treaty (short title), which only a handful of countries have signed (none of the major space powers have signed it), is based on The Law of the Sea Convention and is more muddy regarding private ownership rights.
As to whether the U.S. could currently claim ownership, territorial waters traditionally had been defined by the range of the most advanced artillary of the time (weapons of the last few decades has made this absurd, which is why there is now an arbitrary distance used). Even if the U.S. claimed ownership of the Moon, it is currently in no position to defend that claim.
Christopher A. Bohn

Want a bridge on Io? Real cheap! (2)

Enoch Root (57473) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583103)

If I remember correctly, real estate on other planets and the moon has been sold for quite some time now. The rationale is that, whereas governments are not allowed to own planetary bodies, there is nothing preventing individuals to own them.

How do you take ownership of a patch of the Moon, then? Well, back in the old days (i.e., the Renaissance), you went there with a Government-sponsored team and claimed the land in the name of a nation. You then stacked it up with soldiers to make sure no one contradicts your claim.

So, if you buy a land on the Moon, how are you going to go there and claim it, much less defend it against invasion?

The simple fact of the matter is, you can't. And Governments will let you dream on about your little patch of Moon property until they decide otherwise.

In the meantime, people are giving money away, mostly because they think it's fun. But if you think that's much fun, there's a nice bridge for sale on Io. Just give me a call.
"Knowledge = Power = Energy = Mass"

Simpsons (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583104)

Remember the film that Lisa was watching about The Moon? [snpp.com]

"The moon belongs to America, and anxiously awaits the arrival of our astro-men. Will you be among them?"

P

Pope

Re:Moon (2)

Pascal Q. Porcupine (4467) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583105)

Well, the same can be said about the whole planet. :)
---
"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.

Re:This is nonsense (1)

coreybrenner (19101) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583106)

And here I thought Heinlein had it right when he called them "Loonies" (luna - the Moon).

--Corey

Re:Straight from the Lunar FAQ. (1)

Enoch Root (57473) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583107)

What happened to "Live long and prosper"?

Oh, that's their philosophy. Especially the "prosper" bit.
"Knowledge = Power = Energy = Mass"

Re:the flag... (2)

Tau Zero (75868) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583108)

Secondarily, it's kinda hard to blow a flag down without an atmosphere to sustain a wind, dontcha think? ;-)
Well, a rocket exhaust is a "wind", and its gas constitutes at "atmosphere" for whatever's in its influence. That's what blew down the flag left by the Apollo 11 mission. FWIW, each LEM left a number of tons of nitrogen and water vapor on the moon during its descent, landing and ascent. IIRC, this temporarily multiplied the normal lunar atmosphere several-fold, until the solar wind and UV drove the molecules to escape velocity and they flew off never to return.
--

Hunka hunka burnin Sun. (1)

Cebert (69916) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583109)

Screw the moon, I want a piece of the Sun! I got plans for that baby: a super deluxe sized Motel-6! It'll be hot!

reality (1)

nahtanoj (96808) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583110)

You think you can sell the intergalatic realestate? You fools! Were you not at the Symposium at MK 451? It was there that these things were settled. For your information, it is I who own this sector, as well as Andromeda, the Pleides Cluster, and the Galatic Core. Keep up this farce, and I will be forced to authorize a "cleaning" job on this puny world you inhabit. That will be all.

Outer Space Treaty (3)

vlax (1809) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583111)

"TREATY ON PRINCIPLES GOVERNING THE ACTIVITIES OF STATES IN THE EXPLORATION AND USE OF OUTER SPACE, INCLUDING THE MOON AND OTHER CELESTIAL BODIES" from http://www.acda.gov/treaties/outspace.htm [acda.gov] .

The United States signed this treaty on the 27th of January, 1967 and deposited an instrument of ratification on the 10th of October, 1967 - making this treaty US law. As far as I can tell, all the countries with a reasonable chance of having a space programme have signed and ratified it, including China, which agreed to the treaty in 1983.

What does this treaty have to say about property on the moon?

Article I, para 2

Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be free for exploration and use by all States without discrimination of any kind, on a basis of equality and in accordance with international law, and there shall be free access to all areas of celestial bodies.


This means you can't keep anyone off of your lunar claim. You can't keep them from building or prospecting or from exercising any other right you have to some strip of land either. Under those conditions, what good does a deed do you?

Article II

Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.


This means that no nation can claim exclusive jurisdiction over the moon or any part of it, and that makes it basically impossible to obtain a deed that other countries would consider binding.

Article VI

States Parties to the Treaty shall bear international responsibility for national activities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, whether such activities are carried on by governmental agencies or by non-governmental entities, and for assuring that national activities are carried out in conformity with the provisions set forth in the present Treaty. The activities of non-governmental entities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, shall require authorization and continuing supervision by the appropriate State Party to the Treaty. When activities are carried on in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, by an international organization, responsibility for compliance with this Treaty shall be borne both by the international organization and by the States Parties to the Treaty participating in such organization.


This means you can't claim the treaty doesn't apply to you because you aren't affiliated with a national government. Anything you do in space falls under the jurisdiciton of some country.

In short, a deed to the moon, an asteroid, or anything else in space is completely worthless so long as this treaty is in force.

Re:Damn it, don't give it away! (2)

webslacker (15723) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583112)

I almost made a killing on eBay selling my moon property, and now you had to inform everyone. Thanks a bunch.

Re:This should be filed under "humor"... (1)

palop (80846) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583114)

Welll havent you seen that educational film they show in school.

".... experts say that by 1965 we will have one dozen moon colonies...
the moon belongs to america and its brave astromen...."
or however that educational film went in that simpsons episode.
palop

Re:US doesn't own the moon at all (1)

Score Whore (32328) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583116)

Well, I'm going to have to kill you after you read this, but what the hell. See the Feds keep track of all telescopes that are powerful enough to see the "landing" site. They then ensure that they are fitted with a special lens that contains a compound that chemically reacts to light reflected from the moon. This reaction causes people to think that the distortion in the lens is actually an image of the landing site.

So now I'm going to need to know your address so I can mail you the home version of the "I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you" kit.

-sw

Re:Novelty value only (1)

CodeShark (17400) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583131)

...joke mode ON...

Whew!! For a minute there I thought we were facing the imminent destruction of planet earth by extremely angry SEBs (Superpowerful Extraterristrial Beings)

"They think they bought my what???? Why those irritating little humans. I'll just have to teach them a lesson in humility..."

Next thing ya'know, KABOOM!!

...joke mode OFF...

Already been done (1)

slickwillie (34689) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583132)

Since www.lunarembassy.com has apparently been /.'d I'll go ahead and post without reading the article.

In the 1970's there was a guy who made his living by going around the college circuit selling deeds for 1 acre parcels on the moon for $1. He was dressed in boots, cape, etc all spray-painted silver. I bought 1 acre. I hope I won't have to kick off any claim jumpers from this upstart Lunar Embassy.

Resale Value (1)

Mr_Plow (30965) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583133)

Not a very good investment. The ROI is low, and the likelihood of being able to resell in your lifetime is pretty bad, too. About as responsible as investing in profitless .com companies.
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Re:"Its all just little bits of history repeating" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583134)

The word is out, there's a new style growing... but it doesn't know if it's coming or going. They say the next big thing is here, that the revolution's near. But to me it seems quite clear -- That it's all just a bit of history repeating.

Re:US doesn't own the moon at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583135)

Oh yeah? Then why can you see the landing site with a good telescope?

Re:I own a piece of the Moon (1)

slickwillie (34689) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583136)

I'd say you own a piece of Mars, not the moon.

Re:What is the TLD for the Moon? (1)

hadron (139) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583138)

ISO 3166 codes are assigned to countries, territories, etc. Presumably, if an American moon colony is set up, it will be classified as "United States Minor Outlying Islands", and given ".um". If it declares independence, it can apply to the ISO 3166 maintainers for a code, but what code it will get will depend heavily upon it's name.

Re:the flag... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583139)

'Xcuse me, but if I remember right, the Eagle LEM(Apollo 11 Lunar Excursion Module, the part of the ship that actually lands on the moon) wasn't the only Apollo mission that involved placing a U.S. Flag on the moon.

Secondarily, it's kinda hard to blow a flag down without an atmosphere to sustain a wind, dontcha think? ;-)

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (2)

vlax (1809) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583142)

The Outer Space treaty was almost a decade before the Law of the Sea (which the US still hasn't ratified) and was mostly modelled on the terms of the Antarctic treaty, with one exception. The Antarctic treaty does not annul national claims in Antarctica (a number of nations claim parts of it and the claims overlap), it simply postpones their enforcement and resolution indefinitely. The Outer Space treaty very definitely forbids claims to any object in space.

Future Predictions (1)

MrEfficient (82395) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583144)

You know, this particular situation is all pretty hilarious, but it reminds me of a more serious issue. Something I heard awhile ago about corporations someday owning property in space. It is a very likely scenario that space travel will be privatized in the future. In fact, I would say its the most likely. There is alot of potential profit in mining asteroids, the moon, other planets or whatnot. What will stop corporations from claiming these objects for themselves. Its not a problem now, but I hope that in the future, the governments of the world work together to ensure that the common man doesn't lose out. I mean, I'm very thankful that there are national parks and other public lands which I and other people who can't afford land can use. I would like to see space developed for the good of everyone, not just to further line the pockets of the already very rich. I'm not saying that there isn't a place for privately held property, I'm all for it, but I believe in taking most everything in moderation. Everything shouldn't just be up for grabs.

Mr. Dennis M. Hope has the right to sell property? (1)

Head Louse (68482) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583151)

So according to the American government Mr. Dennis M. Hope has the right to sell property. Something tells me when it gets time to start doing things with the moon and other planets we will be doing it on an international front and these things will hold no weight what so ever.

Porn! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583152)

Imagine the protential of Pron in low G (1/6th Remember?) Of course 0 G will be better but for those who can't afford the good stuff (0 G Porn) 1/6 G will do.

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583153)

I mean, by really old common-law type standards, first person to put a flag on the territory gets it, yes?

I suppose so, but as everyone knows, when the eagle took off from the moon, the flag blew down and it's supposedly not stuck to the surface of the moon today.

hmm (1)

Bastian (66383) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583154)

20 minutes and its already slashdotted.

Personally, I want to see this company get rich just so I can laugh at how many dumb people there are who would actually WANT some real estate on Venus or, say, a gas planet like Neptune.

This is nonsense (1)

hadron (139) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583156)

The moon is not anyones to sell. When it is colonised and obtains a government, no doubt title deeds will be drawn up and the land allocated in some way : until then, no-one owns it.

Oy (1)

Yebyen (59663) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583158)

5 posts and they're slashdotted already. Is this really the company you want to buy 100 acres of the moon from? lol I haven't read anything from them yet so don't moderate me down or anything, this IS a relevant post

ISP! (1)

BWS (104239) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583160)

That's it! I am gonna setup my OWN ISP on the Moon. BWS@Work, offering everything from Dialup to OC-3, however, no guarantees on PING times to Earth :)

Any need for fences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583162)

I suppose that I could just buy a piece of land in a bigass crater (yes, I know-- not one of the *big* craters, they're miles and miles across-- just one of the small ones; an acre or two of land will do me). No need for fences-- people would have to climb up those huge walls and such...

Seriously, though, does anybody truly think that we'll be living on the moon within the next 60-70 years? Or is it like that whole "The US is switching over to the metric system!" thing all over again-- promises, promises, but it never happens?

What would be some advantages to living on the moon, anyway? I don't think the ability to slam dunk on a standard basketball hoop counts, either-- I'd wind up getting airsick pretty quickly...

Re: Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (1)

Tava (31002) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583164)

Does Spain own the Americas?
Who puts the flag is a non issue, noone really cares now because noone could use it even if the owned it, but you can rest assured that when the moon becomes profitable someone will fight over it.
By the way if I recall correctly the moon and every other celestial body aside earth is considered neutral zone (untill someone colonizes them)

"Its all just little bits of history repeating" (4)

Zombie_Magick (71703) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583166)

...the northern hemisphere of the universe shall go to Portugal while the southern hemisphere of the universe shall go to Spain

Haven't we learned about dealing in land that isn't ours, lands that we can't even get to?

Re:Serious advice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583171)

Hmm... sounds like we'll need SERIOUS caching proxies to read /. from other planets...

who has rights to the moon... (1)

G27 Radio (78394) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583172)

Obviously this is a novelty thing--not exactly news (I saw this on the Daily Show several months ago.)

The unwritten but well known law is that whoever has the most powerful weapons/army owns the moon (assuming it's worth something to them.) Pay closer attention to history. :P

numb

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Buy Tycho (2)

Ledge Kindred (82988) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583173)

I think Slashdot should start a fund that we can all donate to so that we can purchase crater Tycho.

You know, just in case they find something in it.

-=-=-=-=-

Re:International Agreement? (3)

binarybits (11068) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583174)

This is a silly article, but it points to an important issue: property rights in outer space.

Contrary to the handwringing of most slashdotters, property rights in outer space is a good thing. People are not goingto invest the time and effort to get out there and build something useful on extraterrestrial bodies unless they think they can be sure they will reap the benefits.

Property rights are not a threat to space exploration. They are of utmost importance if mankind is to develop beyond the Earth. As nice as "sharing" sounds, it's not what drives progress. Mankind is driven forward by the expectation of material gain, and by the assurance that they will be free to dispose of the fruits of their labor.

Therefore, international treaties making outer space into a glorified national park should be repealed. As long as they are enforced, space exploration will be harmed.

Re:Moon Ownership Law (3)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583175)

Y'know, it's a lot easier to be noble in the abstract. Sure, let's make these grand, philanthropic treaties that block access to the moon. Nobody's going to be colonizing there in our lifetimes anyway, the congressmen might think, and it makes us look all noble and humanitarian to the constituents back home.

I have to wonder just how long all these treaties will hold up when travel to and colonization of the moon (or Mars, etc.) becomes non-trivial.

After all, nuclear test-ban treaties are broken all the time...

Re:What next...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583176)

More or less. At least, that's the way it worked when we screwed over the American Indians.

Yep, that is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that. Kinda sad that I am sure it would happen again if history were to repeat itself.
I say that we start PETL. (Preservation of ExtraTerrestrial's Land)

I better get a patent on the sphere idea...NOBODY LOOK AT MY POST! Nothing to see there... {Dman rushes off to the patent office...}

*Drool* (1)

Ater (87170) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583178)

Finally, my salvation arrives! I may not be able to get any earth women, but I'm sure excited of the prospect of sex with hot moon chix0rs! Hey while youre at it, maybe you can get your brothel to import some of those 3-breasted Martian women, like that chick from Total Recall! Even better, this whole moon sex idea could lead to some wil pr0n movies :)

I meant trivial, not nontrivial (2)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583180)

I meant to say when travel to and colonization becomes trivial, not non-trivial. Sigh.

Re:US doesn't own the moon at all (2)

superape23 (56097) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583182)

An AC SAID: The U.S.S.R. was the first to land on the moon, your government just didn't let you know, poor americans. BTW the amstrong landing was a scam, they had shoot it some place in Nevada and Quebec, don't believe everything you see on TV.

this is my favorite ac conspiracy theory.
Have you seen the moon footage? did they shoot in that new low gravity area of quebec? come on kid. stay anonymous so that nsa doesn't "dissapear" you for letting it out of the bag.

Re:Property has no value unless you can defend it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583183)

You could always use the paper and inflict massive paper cuts on those that take you land...

ebay (3)

LordXarph (38837) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583191)

WTF, why do this now? People have been selling the Universe (and even the occasional Multiverse) on eBay for months...

-Lx?

2001: a Real Estate Odyssey? (4)

mmmmbeer (107215) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583192)

This brings to mind the recent article [slashdot.org] about Arthur C. Clarke, where he mentions his asteroid. Can I buy a plot of land there? I'd love to say I own part of Arthur C. Clarke. :)

Seriously, though, what is the point of buying this real estate? Can anyone really expect these claims to hold up if and when we do get to space? And what if we just can't live there? Oh, well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Btw, does anybody really want to live on Uranus? (Sorry, couldn't help myself?)

MS Mars, MS Moon... (3)

Skratch (39859) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583193)

With the kind of cash Bill Gates has, he could buy a couple of planets... Just imagine the destruction though, MS Moon would probably crash into the earth a couple times a day....

Re:Doesn't the US Own the Moon? (3)

Amphigory (2375) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583194)

I think you've find that, in this case as in many others, possession is nine tenths of the law. After all, if you went there and declared autonomy, who would come stop you?

Novelty value only (5)

Bruce Perens (3872) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583195)

The Lunar Embassy states that their certificate has "novelty value only" and is not to be taken as a legal deed. Lots of people don't read the fine print.

Bruce

Re:This is nonsense (1)

BWS (104239) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583196)

No, you see. I think they got the deeds from the Moonsians?
Moonsians you ask? well, they are native people of the moon, like Martians from Mars, Moonsians from the Moon. How come we never see them? well, ask Mulder :)

I'm just waiting... (1)

planet_hoth (3049) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583197)

for a pun about buying real-estate on "Uranus."

Any takers?

Re:international agreement -- I hope so! (1)

nano-second (54714) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583198)

I certainly hope there's some such international agreement. I don't like the idea of someone buying peieces of space and defacing it. As far as I'm concerned, I think the moon belongs to me, just as much as anyone. Just like there are national parks and reserves, I think the moon (and the rest of the universe) should be an international park/reserve.

I wonder if anyone will actually pay for this, thinking they have some right to buy it and moreover that the person they are buying it from has the right to sell it. Yuck! Capitalism at its worst.
---

Here's the funny part (2)

grappler (14976) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583199)

When colonization starts happening on the moon or mars or wherever, there will be a bunch of people that bought property from somebody who want their piece of it. They're gonna be pretty bummed... :-)

--
grappler

What next...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583220)

I have not had a chance to go to the link since it is already slashdotted, but for some reason I cannot see this working. Who is selling the estate? It is not like they own it in the first place, right? I can say to you that I will sell you a spot on Mars, but if (someday) you could go to that little spot that I said you own and you find little green men living there, it is no longer thiers? Just because I said so? Here, I have bottled air for sale, and some dehydrated water. (Just add water!!!)

Make money fast! Find rich gullable people and sell them nothing!
I would like to sell people little glass vacuum spheres. Then you can say you own nothing, and it is something!

damned slashdot effect. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1583221)

now youve killed the server in the moon.

Re:MS Mars, MS Moon... (1)

BWS (104239) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583222)

Exactly how do you reboot MS Moon to prevent it from Crashing into MS Earth? or will Linux Venus come and seduce all the Geeks?

This is old news (1)

double_h (21284) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583223)

Ho hum. It's been at *least* 15 years since I saw people (don't know if it's the same company) claiming to sell blocks of land on Mars ("for novelty purposes only"). They used to advertise in GAMES magazine and OMNI, and you could also buy an entry in their name-a-star database.

I'm sorry... (1)

jem (78392) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583224)

...but I have copyright on selling lunar property - I wrote a short story in fourth grade and mailed it to myself.

Not sure how I'm going to enforce it =)

Obviously they have been importing too much crack from Jupiter. They should know it is too strong for humans.

Uh-huh, right. (3)

Bearpaw (13080) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583225)

(Italicized quotes are from the website.)

Contrary to popular belief, ownership by individuals of extraterrestrial properties is not forbidden.

Well, ok, but it does not therefore follow that anyone will take any of these claims seriously.

The US government has several years to contest such a claim. They never did. Neither did the United Nations nor the Russian Government.

They've never contested my claim that I'm Napolean Bonapart, either.

Two former US President and several very prominent stars own their Lunar property already.

Did they actually *buy* claims, or were they gag gifts?

This is all pretty silly. If some really rich person -- let's call him D.D. Harriman -- went up and established a lunar colony, and some nut tried to take him to court because he did it on land "claimed" this way, it'd take a judge about 5 minutes to throw the case out. (Not counting the 15 minutes it'd take to stop laughing.)

"They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." - Carl Sagan

... (1)

[alpha]boy (98816) | more than 14 years ago | (#1583226)

Didn't that happen way back when America was founded...the settlers selling people the native american's land? Kinda funny, wait till they find out there's life on one'a the planets and people go and try to build their summer homes there and the natives get a little hostile. Ray Bradbury, here we come...

On another note, has anybody heard the commercials where you can pay to name stars? I heard about that briefly, is this something similar?
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