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The Wii - Is the Magic Gone?

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the do-the-clowns-always-cry-when-you-pack-up-the-paper-sky dept.

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Computer And Video Games asks the tough question: is the Wii's magic gone? After the flurry of excitement around the launch, lackluster ports and a persistent inability for Nintendo to keep units on the shelves has made it hard for gamers to sustain their enthusiasm for the system. It doesn't help that most of the good games slated for this year won't be out for months. In some cases, there's doubt they'll even make it out this year: Reggie Fils-Aime appears to be backpedaling on Metroid Prime 3 by Christmas, which would be a shame. GigaGamez has additional commentary. Are you still as excited about the Wii as you were when it launched?

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Imposter!!! (5, Interesting)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069840)

What have you done with the real Zonk!!!!!!?

Seriously, even as I like the Wii, I can see some "cracks in the armor". It's missing out on a lot of potential. Here are some things it needs:

a) Real calibration. Actually be able to tell it where your screen boundaries are located so that where you're pointing is a lot closer to where the dot is, enabling shooters that don't show your crosshairs. Preferably in the OS.

b) The Wiisaber. That alone will double sales.

c) Games that involves holstering the wiimote to one or more limbs. E.g. a dancing game or a bounty hunter type game where you have to hit a button on your arm to launch a rope. (I know Konami has a DDR like the former coming up, but sooner would have been nice.)

d) Online play.

Also, Zelda should have required you to pull back to load an arrow, so it's more realistic.

Store Shelves (5, Insightful)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069912)

Hmm.. reply to article link is missing. That's weird. This isn't a response to ubuntudupe...

and a persistent inability for Nintendo to keep units on the shelves has made it hard for gamers to sustain their enthusiasm for the system
Isn't Nintendo's inability to keep it on the shelf a sign that the excitement is still there? If the excitement were gone, would stores still sell out within days of recieving a shipment?

Re:Store Shelves (4, Interesting)

Phantombrain (964010) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069992)

If the excitement were gone, would stores still sell out within days of recieving a shipment?

Where I live, it's hours after a shipment.

Re:Store Shelves (3, Interesting)

spxero (782496) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070934)

I'll second this- Wal-mart recieved a shipment, announced it over the speakers. I was able to get my hands on two within 10 minutes, and all 10 Wii's were gone within the half hour.

I don't know if the magic is gone, but the sales are still up (three wal-marts, two targets, a best buy and circuit city in town are all out of wiimote's/nunchucks)

Re:Store Shelves (2, Informative)

empaler (130732) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070226)

Hmm.. reply to article link is missing. That's weird. This isn't a response to ubuntudupe...
Odd, I had the same problem... turned out that turning off the beta discussion system fixed it. Goes for other discussions here, too.
Woot for betas.

Re:Store Shelves (1)

arodland (127775) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070396)

It's hidden in the bar on the left. I had a hell of a time finding it too :)

And slashdot, PLEASE stop punishing me for being a decent typist.

Re:Store Shelves (1, Insightful)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070328)

The excitment is still there, but you've highlighted a greater problem.

A video game console being sold out is only rarely a good thing. Being unable to meet demand only means bad things for Nintendo. Imagine how much closer Nintendo would be to the 360's lead, or how much further head the DS would be, if Nintendo could only produce units faster?

The demand doesn't vanish mysteriously once you can meet it with supply. It may dip as the buffer of people waiting to get one is emptied, but the steady desire for the system remains. The only thing the Wii and DS shortages accomplish is reduced sales for Nintendo.

Re:Store Shelves (4, Insightful)

BeBoxer (14448) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070760)

Being unable to meet demand only means bad things for Nintendo.
Yeah, I'm sure Nintento execs are crying themselves to sleep at night about how bad things are going as compared to, say, Sony who has no problems meeting demand.

The demand doesn't vanish mysteriously once you can meet it with supply. It may dip as the buffer of people waiting to get one is emptied, but the steady desire for the system remains. The only thing the Wii and DS shortages accomplish is reduced sales for Nintendo.

Supply isn't free, or even cheap. Bringing new manufacturing capacity online takes time and investment. Making that investment when it may only be needed to satisfy short-term demand isn't necessarily a wise business move. In this case, who knows. But I'm pretty sure that Nintendo, who knows the actual costs involved, has a better idea than you.

Re:Store Shelves (4, Insightful)

rlp (11898) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070932)

> Being unable to meet demand only means bad things for Nintendo

Well, maybe. They claim that they've ramped manufacturing up to a million a month. They've left the PS3 in the dust and they're shipping units faster than Microsoft was at the same point. They are also experiencing shortages with DS's. These are selling at three times the rate as the Wii. The company's last quarterly earnings announcement could be summarized as "We're printing money". Game makers are changing their plans to include Wii releases.

They could have anticipated the demand. But to be fair - no one else did. They could bring additional manufacturing facilities on-line. But it's not clear - given the cost and lead time, that it would currently make sense to do so. So bottom line - they're doing pretty good. I'm sure Sir Howard would gladly trade places with Iwata.

Re:Store Shelves (2)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070338)

If the excitement were gone, would stores still sell out within days of recieving a shipment?

Within days? I've heard reports of minutes and hours, but I haven't come across a report of Wii's staying stocked on the shelf until even the next day... Do they last on the shelves longer by you?

Re:Store Shelves (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070446)

Isn't Nintendo's inability to keep it on the shelf a sign that the excitement is still there? If the excitement were gone, would stores still sell out within days of recieving a shipment?
This is bad for Nintendo. People waiting for the Wii may turn to buying other consoles, like the 360. That could put a serious damper on the excitement of getting a Wii.

Re:Imposter!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070134)

b) The Wiisaber. That alone will double sales.
How do you "double sales" of a device that you're completely selling out?

If you know how, please entertain me as I know a few electronics producers that would love to solve the problem of demand being much higher than supply.

Tags: fanboy plonkzonk (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18069854)

Yes, Zonk, we know you're a tasteless, frigtarded Xbox lover. That doesn't mean you have to rip on other consoles every chance you get, unless you have serious insecurity issues to work out.

I couldn't tell ya (1)

hawkbug (94280) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069876)

I still can't get one :( I'm not paying more than retail for one, so once I can walk into Walmart and buy one, I won't be able to tell you how great it is or not. I currently have a 360 that still works... but who knows long that will last. Everybody else I know with a 360 has had it die and was either fortunate enough to still be under warranty, or just ended up getting screwed. I'm selling mine and going for a wii since the games are more kid friendly since I have 2 young boys. Also, I may end up getting another 360 or ps3 after the hardware has been through a revision or two since that should keep the 360 cooler and less prone to melting the solder right off the board or warping the board like it does now.

Re:I couldn't tell ya (1)

B_tace (802354) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070460)

I was at my local Target store on Sunday morning around 9:15am and accidently noticed that they had 2 units for sale. I jumped on the first one and a guy behind me lifted the other. I know a couple of coworkers who are still looking for them. First impressions was that this stuff is a lot of fun. I even enjoyed playing Golf and Baseball when I normally don't care much for those sports. Now, I am deciding which games to try next. I noticed that there are a couple of good games coming out in March. One of them is Medal of Honor. I will be definitely paying for that MoH port. So, I would say the excitement and Magic is still there.

Have we given up on the Wii? (4, Interesting)

squarefish (561836) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069880)

Hell no, I'm just patiently waiting to get my hands on one where it doesn't require me to sell my soul.
I want one as much as I always have, but there is no way in hell I'll get it through walmart.
So I wait.....

Re:Have we given up on the Wii? (-1, Offtopic)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070094)

Well, I was going to whole-heartedly endorse your post. I'm just waiting until I can buy one. And I still do endorse the post.

But my, that's an angry sig isn't? Why do we have to hate on the South? I don't hate on the North except when Northerners come down here and complain about the weather. Or about the fact that Richmond isn't as big as NYC. In particular, what's with the claim that the Founding Fathers were all northerners? What, Thomas Jefferson doesn't count? George Washington doesn't count? Need I go on?

Plus the small point of fact that the first permanent British settlement on the continent was, you know, Jamestown. In, you know, Virginia. Which is, you know, in the South.

Seriously - can't we just all get along? And play the Wii?

Re:Have we given up on the Wii? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070754)

That site started shortly after the last election, which appeared to be based upon "Southern values" and a somewhat smug "We're the real America" attitude from the losers of the last Civil War (you know, the one where they couldn't impose support for slavery on the other states any more so they decided to leave. Very American that, not wanting to be a part of it because you hate Freedom, and not in some Osama Bin Laden strawman way either, I mean you really hate freedom, as in you support slavery.)

Southern values are not really American values, but there was this attitude throughout the first four years of the Bush administration that implied that they were. You can't blame Real Americans for getting pissed about it.

I love my wii. (1)

mrsbrisby (60242) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069886)

I'm having fun playing games that I expected (Warioware, Excitetruck), and having fun playing games that I didn't expect to enjoy (Madden).

So for the last time, No: I'm not trading you for your PS3.

Re:I love my wii. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070352)

Bragging about Excitetruck???

Holy shit!

You win the most pathetic Nintendo fanboy of the day! Pretty impressive with the stiff competition going on in this thread.

Re:I love my wii. (1)

geekboybt (866398) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070664)

Amen. Excite Truck hasn't gotten the best reviews in the world, it hasn't gotten poor ones either, and I sure have enjoyed it. It's good, mindless fun when the going gets tough in Zelda. When the Xbox/PS3 fanboys go "yeah, but we have better graphics" I can always point out that my system only cost $250 - not $400 or $600 - and is just as fun, if not more.

Persistent Inability to Keep Units On the Shelf... (5, Insightful)

VeriTea (795384) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069894)

So the fact that they are selling so fast Nintendo can't keep them in stock is used as proof that excitement is diminishing for the Wii? This reminds me of the alleged Yogi Berra saying about a certain resturant - "It's so crowded nobody goes there any more."

Re:Persistent Inability to Keep Units On the Shelf (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070538)

But on the other hand, the fact that I can't get one means that I've essentially given up trying. I actually gave up early January and figured that I'd check again in February, but they still aren't available, so now I've basically completely given up until the summer at the earliest.

So not being able to meet demand might, ultimately, hurt them - I just don't care about the Wii anymore. I don't really want it anymore. I did at one point, but after being unable to get it, I've basically given up - I've stopped actively trying to get one, and am no longer looking.

If the hype dies between now and when they become accessible enough that I can actually find one, I might simply wind up not buying one.

Is the hype starting to diminish? I'd say "yes" - I'm not as interested in getting one as I once was. Part of it is definitely that I simply can't, because there are none around. But another part is that the hype is starting to wear off - the Wii isn't as exciting as it once was.

(That, and FFVI Advance was released, so the only console I currently have time for is my DS...)

Since they still fly off the shelves.... (5, Informative)

fotbr (855184) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069904)

I'd say the excitement is still there.

Ask again when you can walk into any Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc and find them sitting on the shelves at any given time.

Re:Since they still fly off the shelves.... (1)

nigel_q (523775) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070176)

Sure, but are they flying off the shelves in great quantity, or is it just that the three or four units the store gets every two weeks are flying off the shelf? All I know is that I've been trying to get a unit for 3 months, and now I've lost interest...

Sales and Magic (5, Interesting)

Alaren (682568) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070364)

Ask again when you can walk into any Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc and find them sitting on the shelves at any given time.

Exactly. It's interesting, if you could only judge by the "hardcore" mainstream gaming media, the Wii has never done well, will never do well, can never do well. The same litany of GameCube criticisms comes pouring out--too focused on children, not enough brutal online competition, graphics fall short. The Wii adds the "it's a gimmick!" to that list.

And yet the systems continue to sell.

World of Warcraft and Gears of War shifted some serious units to hardcore gamers... but everyone wants a Wii. No matter what "$up4 1337 haxx0rz" say about 1080p and pzwning n00bs and how gimmicky the controller is, Moms don't listen to haxx0rz. Moms listen to Dr. Phil, and spend their money accordingly. This article is proof that the "magic" isn't gone even if the initial launch hype is finally settling down. Why doesn't the article ask if the PS3 magic is gone? Everyone's played the one or two games that made it worth buying. You can get a PS3 without even trying. The Wii, games and accessories occupy top spots on Amazon.com.

And that really is the point. Gaming media makes their money on ad impressions. You don't run stories criticizing a system many gamers have completely written off. You don't run stories about systems that are being critically panned by the mainstream media. You run stories about the biggest, most enticing system out there, even if it means finding something to criticize. Because those stories generate controversy, and that generates hits, and hits make money.

Notice how many negative articles ran about the PS3 leading up to its launch--price too high, too few units, controller just copied the Wiimote, so on and so forth. The negative press is still out there, but it's gotten to the point where no one cares, because everyone knows the PS3 is nowhere near as successful as we all thought it was going to be--while the Wii has wildly exceeded even most Nintendo fanboy's dreams. I was excited when it consistently sold out through January. I never would have guessed there would be shortages through February, with no end in sight.

You can't maintain "launch hype" through an entire console's life. The Wii is doing splendidly, and although Nintendo has failed to completely stave off the drought we all pretty much knew would happen, more games are coming, and I imagine they will be great. And you have to admit, Smash Brothers with online play is all it is going to take to get the hype going again.

Yes. (2, Insightful)

DreadPiratePizz (803402) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069908)

Right now yes, it is. It's not so much in the so called "gimick", but just that it hasn't been utalized in a way that is deep. Many of the ways the wiimote is being used are cool on the surface, but lack any sort of real impact on the way we play the game. The wiimote did not add much to Zelda. Games like wiisports are fun initally, but they are so simple that you reach a level of mastery very easily. Even games like trauma center are the same way. It's cool at first, but once you get the hang of it there's nothing more to explore.

Re:Yes. (1)

Rolgar (556636) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070242)

The point of the controller was that it would be easy to master and immerse you in the game so that you could forget about the control mechanism. I'd say that if it's easy to master, then the wiimote is working perfectly.

A real life sport isn't fun because it's hard to master, it fun because of the exhilaration of making the occasional great play, comradery of playing with friends, and the learning how to apply previously developed skills to new situations, and snap decision making skills as well as developing analytical thinking in how to win in the moments between plays.

It sounds like you're more complaining about the length of games, or you haven't found something that will hold your attention.

Re:Yes. (4, Insightful)

Predius (560344) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070442)

Play WiiSports with a group of friends, the magic will be back, trust me. : ) That's what we're finding, is the Wii is just an awesome social platform. Even if you're just watching someone play a solo game, seeing them flail about with the Wiimote is much more entertaining than watching someone button mash a traditional controller. Example: Rayman Raving Rabbids... some of the motions required for some of the minigames are downright hilarious.

Re:Yes. (1)

geekboybt (866398) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070768)

Agreed. When you can get your whole family in on a game of Wii Tennis, it's easy to see why the Wii is still selling out, and there's still a PS3 in the case at my local Target.

I disagree. (5, Insightful)

Alaren (682568) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070608)

I'm a few hours from finishing Zelda, and I have to say I strongly disagree with your assesment of the Wiimote's addition to Zelda. The first few hours, I was thinking, "Yeah I guess this is kind of tacked-on." But as the game progressed, that really changed. The shield attack feels particularly immersive, as well as the bow and arrow, the rumble is masterfully employed throughout the game... I also turned off my Wiimote speaker one night to keep from waking up sleeping children, and the game felt much less immersive. I hadn't even given much thought to the sound in the Wiimote until it was gone. Now, if that can be accomplished with what amounts to a Gamecube port, imagine what's in store for future games?

Second, the sports games have held my attention far longer than I thought they would. There is sufficient hidden complexity to make them true games of skill, especially if you are playing against other skilled players. Yet they're also simple enough to be fun for children. My 3-year-old daughter (she's almost 4) loves boxing and bowling; she's not very good, but she's okay. Her other favorite game is Super Smash Brothers Melee (she plays as Bowser), but she has a hard time doing anything besides walking left and right and breathing fire, because the controls are too complex.

Let me rephrase this point. In addition to making Zelda extremely engrossing, the Wii enables me to enjoy video games with my small children. This point cannot be overstated! Paying monthly fees to have online competition against griefers and bullies and people with enough time on their hands to master every nuance of the game no longer appeals to me. I did that for years. Now what I want is a system that can satisfy my desire for epic games like Zelda and Final Fantasy, while also providing entertainment for my young family. I'm very excited for online Smash Brothers and I'm all for deeper control schemes where appropriate, but the ability to pick up and play for a few minutes to have some fun with my kids doing something I've always loved--playing video games--is the ability I will pay money for.

I was going to get one (5, Funny)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069916)

I was going to get a Wii but I keep reading on Slashdot that they aren't in stores so I haven't bothered. So you might say that Slashdot is responsible for the loss of interest in Wii.

Re:I was going to get one (1)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070202)

I'm glad someone burned their mod points giving this completely innocuous post troll points.

Re:I was going to get one (-1, Offtopic)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070386)

Sometime around Christmas I noticed this kind of thing happening. I don't know what caused it, but a very liberal application of Troll, Redundant, Offtopic and Flamebait modifiers started getting thrown around.

The result is I now metamoderate daily as to do my part in stemming the tide of shoddy moderation. I hope you will contribute as well.

I found your OP insightful personally.

Re:I was going to get one (0, Offtopic)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070420)

Yeah I'll start meta-moderating now too.

Re:I was going to get one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070414)

i actually had one, and sold it because i was bored with wii sports after a week...i picked up monkey ball, which was really fun, but only with 4 players... so we played a few times, then became bored... the other games just look really terrible, or i cant even imagine playing them with a Wiimote. like Marvel: Ultimate alliance... that game SUCKED for the Wii. id much rather play rainbow six: vegas on my 360, hell ANY game on my 360 that play Wii tennis one more time.

Hype =/= Magic (5, Insightful)

zyl0x (987342) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069924)

Nintendo did an excellent job speeding out a few good, solid games when the Wii launched. IMO, these games weren't intended to have an incredible lifetime, indeed, they served their purpose; to create enough hype so that the Wii would still sell in the face of other systems during the holidays. Now, as with most of the other systems, we must wait for what I'm sure will be a solid game base to flourish.

You have to think about it - developers have just been exposed to a massively, paradigm-breaking gaming concept. Give them time. Just because the hype has settled down, doesn't mean the magic's gone.

Typical Launch Problem (3, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070532)

Don't forget that there is also the typical launch problem that all game consoles have ...

Most game consoles launch in Q3 or Q4 of a given year and end up with a decent supply of games (for being new systems) because there is value in being the only game of a certain type on a system; its a great opportunity to create a new franchise because far more people will pay attention to 'Red Steel' when it launches with the system as compared to it launching at some arbitrary later date.

Q1-Q2 of the following year launch systems have a great deal of difficulty getting a decent supply of games; it is the typical slow part of a year and there are too few systems released (being that it is a new system) for most developers to release a game.

I would (personally) wait until E3 before I determined whether the Wii was having any problems ... I suspect that Nintendo will have some amazing properties and many third party developers will be producing things we wouldn't have expected.

Call me crazy... (3, Insightful)

CyberSnyder (8122) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069944)

But "... a persistent inability for Nintendo to keep units on the shelves has made it hard for gamers to sustain their enthusiasm for the system."

Sounds like they're buying them as fast as Nintendo makes them. And its lost the thrill?

Re:Call me crazy... (5, Funny)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070596)

Sounds like they're buying them as fast as Nintendo makes them. And its lost the thrill?

Obviously, you don't understand. Take the late, great Sega Dreamcast. Thousands of Dreamcast consoles were left sitting on shelves for months on end. It was such a magical time, that Sega went out of the console business. But, hell, they made up for the millions in financial losses with volume. Shenmue became such a must-have game that Sega just announced the release of Shenmue Balboa. In this, the seventeenth volume of the game series, Ryo Hazuki is a 65 year old hack boxer that fights a latter-day Mike Tyson.

There's no magic in the Wii anymore. There is too much demand. I'm waiting for the next system, the Nintendo Uus.

Interest still high (3, Insightful)

Jaguar777 (189036) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069952)

I would take "a persistent inability for Nintendo to keep units on the shelves" as a sign of continued interest.

Also, some anecdotal evidence. Yesterday when I was looking through the Best Buy ad I noticed that Wii Play had been released. I called three local Best Buys and all of them had sold out of Wii Play.

I think the steady stream of classic games like Mario Kart, and Super Mario World are helping out too.

Re:Interest still high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070958)

One reason that Wii Play is sold out is that it ships with a controller. (so the game cost is actually $20, after subtracting $40 for a controller).

My wife was lucky and won a Wii. We were very surprised that it only included one controller. I watched at several stores for weeks for controllers to be in stock. And a professor at work had the same problem, she had friends and family across the USA looking for controllers. I finally found six in stock and just left one on the shelf.

(I think this article is hilarious -- I've never seen a Wii on a store shelf. Just people walking out after purchasing them. I think the magic is still there!)

Where was the magic? (-1, Troll)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069958)

Fun != Magic.
Cute != Magic.

I think in general until they can get online play/co-op & team sports going they're going to have a tough time. Multiplayer at home is expensive, not to mention is difficult finding peripherals and online play is non existant.

Wii is trying to be the iPod of consoles but how can you really when the market when your competitors iPods are just/if not more capable and the only difference is the peripherals? (and taste in music have you..)

Re:Where was the magic? (3, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070046)

"Wii is trying to be the iPod of consoles but how can you really when the market when your competitors iPods are just/if not more capable and the only difference is the peripherals?"

Have you actually looked at the iPod competitors? Almost all of them pack in more features at a lower cost. I'm not saying Wii will become the iPod of the console world, but most powerful hardware is hardly a prerequisite.

Re:Where was the magic? (1)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070786)

Wii is trying to be the iPod of consoles but how can you really when the market when your competitors iPods are just/if not more capable and the only difference is the peripherals?

The Wiimote is not a peripheral. The "Wii remote" is the central part of the system. It's not an iPod vs. an iPod. It's an iPod vs. a CD-player.

(And, really, the iPod of iPods, namely the iPod, sells so well partially BECAUSE of all of its peripherals.)

I wouldn't cite the DS as a benchmark (2, Insightful)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069968)

Consoles probably obey different rules than handhelds. I think that a year of downtime could be fatal for a console (sega anyone?). I also think that the most important rule is that in handhelds, nintendo rules (this has been nearly the unquestioned rule since tetris shipped with the gameboy). However, in consoles, the one that gets the most games wins. Its a self feeding cycle, the console that gets the most games, gets the most devs, who then make more games. With handhelds, while people were waiting for the ds to find it stride, they were fiddling with ipods and playing a nibbles clone on their cell phones.

Instead of buying a wii, I'm going to probably take the popular route of buying the xbox360 (not a fanboy of any system, really!), because of 3 reasons. Its affordable (bye sony), it's got the library i want, and its on the shelves (bye nintendo). Keep in mind, the last system i bought besides a ds lite was a sega dreamcast in 01 because it was 50 bucks and emulators were coming out so i could retire the nes without retiring its library.

Sony Marketing (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069976)

FTA: The LAST thing Wii needs is lazy ports of existing games, particularly games that have been out for A YEAR or thereabouts on other consoles (Prince of Persia, Blazing Angels). They could do more harm than good.

Funny, isn't this exactly what Sony is doing with the Blu-Ray format, releasing dozens of older movies to flood the market and claim that they are releasing more titles than their competition?

In both cases, having older games/movies available is just fine if enough customers haven't played/seen the original. In both cases, the ports are probably shoddy, and it would be cheaper to play the original from its native disk.

Re:Sony Marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070482)

movies and games are not equal, releasing older movies in a better format is something people really want. releasing older games in on a console that isn't as powerful as the newer one is not a great tactic

Re:Sony Marketing (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070488)

It's much easier to see that a game is just a port of an older version. People expect this of films.

When someone buys a new gaming system they want to be dazzled, when someone buys the DVD of Casablanca they already accept what they're getting.

Re:Sony Marketing (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070834)

When someone buys a new gaming system they want to be dazzled
And you can only do that with graphics, right?

The Wii Dissalusionment Reaction Graph (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18069988)

I've watched people's reactions to the Wii go through an amazingly similar path with the only difference being the length of time it takes someone to run its course.

Stage 1: OMG!!! Just think of the endless possibility for new and innovative gameplay!!!

Stage 2: Ok, so lightsaber / sword type games aren't going to work that well. The Wiimote isn't 1 to 1 movement mapped. But there are still all sorts of amazing the gameplay ideas if developers really just sat down and tried

Stage 3: Hmm, everything on the Wii is pretty much just pointing to replace thumb movements and waggling to replace button presses. There are a lot of games where this doesn't work very well

Stage 4: I am completely sick of Wii Sports and I want to play some real games. I feel like an idiot sitting around alone in my room flailing my arms around like a retard.

Stage 5: Bitterness about falling for the hype and my god those next gen graphics look very cool. And hey, 1080p TVs are falling in price at an amazing rate...

Re:The Wii Dissalusionment Reaction Graph (1, Funny)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070054)

Stage 4: I am completely sick of Wii Sports and I want to play some real games. I feel like an idiot sitting around alone in my room flailing my arms around like a retard.
In underdeveloped countries they call that exercise.

Re:The Wii Dissalusionment Reaction Graph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070520)

I think the real disappointment with the Wii comes immediately after someone gets pinned down and tries to come up with what all of these amazingly innovative games are supposed to be or come from. And the Wii fan starts to go uh...

Re:The Wii Dissalusionment Reaction Graph (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070534)

Good point! As I said before, PS3 and XBox 360 will give you 1080 while pretendo gives you piss. Looks like the shitdot sheeple are beginning to realize it so now we will start to see pretendo piss barely used for roughly $50 on eBay.

Re:The Wii Dissalusionment Reaction Graph (0, Flamebait)

wframe9109 (899486) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070698)

Excuse me while I go masturbate to my new 1080p set that I sold my old car for.

Any resolution-dependents or "I must play games 12 hours a day" nerds who brought a Wii and a Wii alone, should really just save Darwin the trouble and end things now.

Re:The Wii Dissalusionment Reaction Graph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070778)

"Excuse me while I go masturbate to my new 1080p set that I sold my old car for."

Your car had a resell value of 1500 dollars? Actually I believe 1080p sets are down in the 1200-1300 dollar range now. And will be under a grand by mid-2007.

Every single TV at the local Frys in the main display area has been a 1080p set for months.

Welcome to reality fanboy?!

Re:The Wii Dissalusionment Reaction Graph (1)

wframe9109 (899486) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070906)

I'm 10 grand in debt trying to pay for Grad school. I'm not about to spend $1500 on a TV when I have a 4 year old computer that needs upgrading, and a many other necessities that come first. The resale value is down there. An old (95) Saturn with manual everything, no right mirror, and 130,000 miles... Probably couldn't get a decent HDTV for that, and I'd put transportation a bit higher than a few more pixels.

Re:The Wii Dissalusionment Reaction Graph (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070924)

Ok, so lightsaber / sword type games aren't going to work that well. The Wiimote isn't 1 to 1 movement mapped.
Says who? It already is in Wii Sports Baseball, and developers are saying that it can be incredibly accurate. It's just that perfect accuracy doesn't always mean fun.

I know it can be hard to deal with the fact that Wii is owning the other consoles, but try to live with it without making yourself look like a complete ass.

Patient Enough (1)

metarox (883747) | more than 6 years ago | (#18069994)

I'll be waiting for the first batch with defects to go through. And I'll also wait until enough interesting games come out. And finally, I'll wait until they package a game with it (I bought the GC with the 4 Zelda games special disc).

Until then, please continue to fight for them =]

Re:Patient Enough (3, Informative)

haddieman (1033476) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070210)

"And finally, I'll wait until they package a game with it..."

I thought Wii Sports was a game!

It's just hitting middle america... (1)

HockeyPuck (141947) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070020)

I'm seeing lots of parents thinking to themselves... "my kid watches tons of TV as it is... this way they can get exercise..." Mind you, they live in suburbia, but the thought of their kids getting any exercise using technology instead of *gasp* a basketball, frisbee, soccer ball....

My response... Send your kids outside, don't make them dependent on the TV.. even if you're claiming "waving around a game controller" is a valid substitute for running around outside.

Re:It's just hitting middle america... (1)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070120)

I'm seeing lots of parents thinking to themselves... "my kid watches tons of TV as it is... this way they can get exercise..." Mind you, they live in suburbia, but the thought of their kids getting any exercise using technology instead of *gasp* a basketball, frisbee, soccer ball....
Some kids do live in cities where outdoor recreational activities that won't jeopardize their safety are hard to come by. I'm not saying that this applies to your average suburbanite, but out here on the East Coast in big cities its tough for kids, and grown-ups, to find reasonably safe and accessible playing areas. But I do agree, if you live in suburban USA, send your chunky kids outside to play soccer.

Re:It's just hitting middle america... (3, Insightful)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070410)

There is a foot of snow outside, topped with an inch-thick layer of ice, and the temperature is 0 degrees Fahrenheit with a wind chill of -20. School is cancelled. Can the kid go out and play? Sure, but once they start getting frostbite/etc from the cold, then they want to come in and move around to get the blood going, and this beats indoor soccer in terms of preservation of assets.

Re:It's just hitting middle america... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070964)

Yes kids can go out and play in such weather. I did throughout my entire youth. All you need is to dress them up properly. (And the weather was worse than that where I was a kid).

FPS (1)

cuncator (906265) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070022)

I guess what CAVG mean by the "magic being gone" is no one has shot anyone recently over a Wii.

Yes and no.... (4, Interesting)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070030)

The Wii could quite possibly end up being the best local-multiplayer console of all time. TONS of fun has been had at my place playing Wii Sports, Rayman, and Warioware. At the same time, though, I've found single-player to be somewhat lacking, partially because when I'm playing games alone I just want to sit down and relax, not be flailing around. It's going to be hard to find Wii games that don't force you to use the motion-sensing, though, since that's the only "special" thing about the console.

That pretty much relegates the Wii to party-console for me. Not that I have a problem with that, I suppose. The PS3 looks like it will be (and has been) able to handle my single-player needs fine. Each console has its place.

Re:Yes and no.... (1)

Lord_Ultimate (1049752) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070546)

GT Pro Series is a good choice for solo gaming. Zelda can be played while sitting, so I wouldn't say it requires "flailing around."

It's a shame you can't mod entire articles. The only thing this one is missing is a big neon sign saying "Trolls and flamers welcome."

Counterpoint: DS (3, Insightful)

hardburn (141468) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070032)

The DS took a while before it showed its full potential. The PSP took the initial lead, but the DS has pulled far ahead now. IMHO, the breakthrough game was "Kirby: Canvas Curse", which showed off the real potential for the touchscreen, followed by Nintendogs.

I suspect the Wii will go the same way. It already has quite a few games that show its potential. There are also a fair number of games that were hyped, but were rushed out the door to meet a Christmas release and had a poor control scheme (like Red Steel). As more games start piling up, the Wii should get a solid position in this round of console wars.

Gimmick (0, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070036)

I've said it from the beginning... nobody is going to want to spend years waving around a semi-accurate remote to play games that look like they were written 5 years ago. It just ain't gonna happen. This is the kind of thing that starts collecting dust a few weeks after Christmas. I keep playing my PS2 because it's a good platform, there are good games, and it looks and sounds better with each new game. When I sit down to play, I sometimes play for 4 hours a a time, every day, for weeks at a time (until I'm done with whatever it is I'm playing). I can't imagine doing that with the gimmick-y Wii. It just doesn't have the staying power of a more traditional gameing platform (like the PS2). Wii did real well out of the gates, but it's going to lose most of its steam before the games even begin to hit the PS3 platform.

Re:Gimmick (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070874)

That must be why it's impossible to buy a Wii anywhere in the world.

As for playing hours on end, did you actually TRY? I've been playing the heck out of Zelda for hours on end, and it doesn't get tiring at all.

I know, I know... I'm feeding the troll...

put-down article (2, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070040)

A typical put-down article. Maybe the author couldn't get his own Wii and is angry, or he's being paid by MS and/or Sony. Or maybe he's just really a bit slow.

Nintendo's "inability to keep units on the shelves" is a good one. They're sold-out is what it really means. And not thanks to artificial shortage, Nintendo has shipped a lot of these machines.

Is the excitement still there? Not as in the first few days, which is natural. But I'm still enjoying it a lot, and so does everyone I've had over to play a game or three. It isn't the cure to cancer, but it's a great living-room gaming system, and I'm still proud of owning one.

Now, someone please send the poor author of TFA one so he can stop being all stuffed up.

Re:put-down article (2, Informative)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070566)

The inability to put units on shelves is just that. A concert being sold out is a good thing, but a console being sold out is not.

Nintendo stands to make much more money meeting demand, both for the Wii and the DS. Demand doesn't magically vanish once it is met. I don't understand how forcing people to continually assail Gamestop employees at ungodly and inopportune times about the possibilities of Wiis in "the back" helps anyone. Nintendo doesn't make a sale, Gamestop doesn't make a sale and their employees get additional stress, and the customer looks like an idiot and doesn't get what they want.

Some of you may remember the "Vegonomics" vgcats comic that got thrown around every single slashdot discussion on the topic of the PS3 and Wii launches back in November and thereafter. There was a key insight there that applies just as much to Nintendo as it does to Sony. Supply issues simply mean less revenue, which is rarely a good thing.

That said, the obvious abundance of demand for the Wii is a good thing. However, that is the cause (the demand) which is desirable and good for Nintendo. The current effect (a sellout) is not.

Re:put-down article (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070902)

The inability to put units on shelves is just that.
But that isn't it. Nintendo is putting units on shelves all the time. The "problem" is that they are bought the moment they arrive. This isn't a bad thing for Nintendo at all. It shows that there is still a LOT of excitement for the system. Only a moron would claim that selling well is a bad thing.

Non-gamer "hype." (4, Insightful)

Boogaroo (604901) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070042)

I just spent my second weekend playing with friends I introduced to the Wii during New Years. None of them are "gamers" as we think of them. They play poker and that's about as close as it gets.

One actually went out and got a Wii and is very happy with the graphics. Non-gamers may see it as "good enough." You and I of course know that the other systems are far more powerful graphicly, but my friend wasn't about to go out and spend $700 to get a PS3 as his first game system. We had a new friend over as well. Another non-gamer. Even after I had gone to bed, they were up to 3am, playing Wii Sports Golf.

Nintendo has hit the nail on the head I think. We might see the hype die off, but the hype that goes on is word of mouth. You know, plain old conversation in real life. Not everyone's primary mode of contact is email or web bulletin boards. I think this kind of "hype" goes far further in expanding the video gaming population than any ad campaign could.

Re:Non-gamer "hype." (1)

wframe9109 (899486) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070372)

I completely agree. I'm very interested to see what will happen when we see more fleshed out sports games. My *father*, who hasn't played a game since he stopped playing tetris due to potential CTS, will be purchasing one when they are readily available. I have no doubt in my mind that my Grandfather would pick one up in an *instant* if EA doesn't anything remotely good with Tiger Woods, for the sole purpose of using it as a golf game. We regularly pre-game here before heading out to the bars, and there hasn't been a single person who didn't try to delay heading out to play a few more rounds of Wii Sports. Non-gamers and women included. Where many of us traditional gamers see a lull (actually, if you have any sense at all, you would realize that the console JUST LAUNCHED), many people who picked the Wii up as non-gamers will continue to enjoy the game that sold them, Wii sports.

Re:Non-gamer "hype." (1)

Leviance (1001065) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070970)

Yeah, I think it is very important to remember there are plenty of us out there (even gamers) who want a Wii, but simply are too busy with *real life* to fight for one. Lots of folks still want one, but are waiting for ready availability.

I can't wait to try some of the new games, but will simply have to wait until my opportunity.

Magic Gone? (1)

Sneakernets (1026296) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070068)

I can't even buy one! they're sold out everywhere! the magic is far from gone! Away with this FUD!

I'll let you know if I ever see one to buy (1)

Canthros (5769) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070072)

At the moment, though, I don't know if the supply problem is caused by demand vastly outstripping supply, or if they've just run into that much difficulty keeping supply up. (I wasn't planning to purchase one for another couple of months, though.)

I can see where they're coming from. (1)

Cyraan (840132) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070104)

I have a Wii, and enjoy it (though I'd enjoy it more if fucking TRU would ship my Wii Play preorder already), but I am definitely feeling that slight sting associated with early adoption, but it's nowhere near full buyers remorse. The scarcity was probably part of the reason I bought one when I had the chance, had sales slowed down to the point where you could simply walk into a store and buy one without any planning, I may have held off. I'm sure this will subside however, when the game releases hit their stride, and especially when Mario Galaxies, and Smash Bros. Brawl are finally released.

Just launch-year jitters (2, Interesting)

Mirkon (618432) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070126)

The dearth of upcoming Wii games is nothing more than symptomatic of its recent launch. Developers are still learning what to do with it. This isn't a phenomenon unique to the system - it happens to every platform for about a year after its release (recall the DS drought, or the lack of Xbox 360 development through all of last year, or that the PS3 is in the same boat right now). Not that that makes the situation any better in terms of enjoying the system, but it's far from a death knell at any rate.

You've Got To Be Fricking Kidding Me (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070156)

(Note: I really hate capital letters at every word)

My boss has actually offered me a bribe to not buy the Wii. Serious bribe. Like in, a carte blanche to upgrade my computer instead of buying medical-grade heroine with motion sensing.
I of course declined. Wii > new hard drives...

Re:You've Got To Be Fricking Kidding Me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070218)

Why? Is he on the Sony payroll or something?

Re:You've Got To Be Fricking Kidding Me (1)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070366)

(Note: I really hate capital letters at every word)
WhAT EXACTLY IS IT AbOUT ALL CAPiTAL LeTTERS THaT BOTHERS YOU?

Wii Hype Definitely Fading - In Stores Everwhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070158)

Although they are still selling, Wiis are everywhere now when I go to this month. The utter joke of a release schedule has to be playing a big part in why sales are slowing down so much. There really is no reason to buy a Wii until late 2007 at the earliest. Anyone who wants to get some Wii action can just stop by a friends house and play some Wii Sports and be done with it. No reason to waste 250 dollars for something where the novelty wears off very fast.

Just like Xbox 360 fanboys tried to do last year, Nintendo fanboys seem to think if they keep making up stories about desperate searches for their console that it will somehow help the console's sales.

Sorry guys, it doesn't work that way. One just look at the 360 selling worse than the first Xbox if you have any doubt.

Re:Wii Hype Definitely Fading - In Stores Everwher (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070392)

Denial is comforting, isn't it? While I don't doubt your area may have an abundance of Wiis, your area != everywhere. Around here (Tampa Bay area) you cannot simply drive to the store any buy one yet, period, and I'm quite sure we aren't the only one.

The Sony fanboys will keep making up stories about the Nintendo fanboys making up stories, which BTW, shouldn't you be playing PS3, after all, those you can simply drive to a store and buy.

Re:Wii Hype Definitely Fading - In Stores Everwher (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070648)

Me neither, I hit all sorts of store around the Tulsa area, usually picking up software or small bits of hardware, many a time a sale at a major retailer (Best Buy, Comp USA, Circuit City, etc...) and when I am there I stroll by the console gaming section.... plenty of Wii games, not a single console in sight. Neither at Wal-Mart... or at Target... or at the game stores....

I am in no hurry for a Wii though. I think it will be a lot more fun when a more variety of games are available, which I think is inevitable. When that happens, and I can actually find one in a store in a 100 miles radius (yeah the couple of times I was in Oklahoma City... yup, nothing) without waking at the crack of dawn to get the first of a new shipment, I'll pick one up.

Newsflash: Wii is different than typical console (2, Insightful)

ShaggyIan (1065010) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070166)

Nintendo is targeting a more "causual" crowd with the Wii, and based on news reports and the folks I know who own one, they are succeeding.

My family and friends are still having fun playing Wii Sports, Rayman, and other games we purchased MAYBE 45 DAYS AGO at most!!!! I would worry more if I paid $50 for a game that only lasted me a week (or less).

Not everyone is a hardcore gamer who needs GameFly to feed their rabid consumption. The Wii seems to fail mostly in the eyes of that particular crowd.

Am I looking forward to Mario Party 8, Mario Galaxy, Metroid? Sure. Am I lamenting my Wii because those games are not available today? Not at all.

We're too busy enjoying/playing our Wii to lament what we don't have.

ps3 owners who wanted a Wii for x-mas (0)

davebo357 (730081) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070282)

I ended up getting a PS3, and I also ended up with a lot of best buy gift certificates from relatives. I really wanted a Wii, and didn't buy a single PS3 game, just the free demos and rented blu-ray discs. I still want a Wii, but if I can't find it at Best Buy I'm not going to get it, and if some good PS3 games start coming out before the Wii is available, then my gift certificates will get used up (Motorstorm!) So yes, unable to buy a Wii 3 months after launch, the "magic" is dying. As long as Nintendo is selling every unit they produce, do they really care?

I sure hope so (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070320)

Then I will be able to buy one without $300 in extra "holiday bundle" crap.

Ask me when... (4, Insightful)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070346)

I can get ahold of one for myself damnit!

The magic is there, the mass media (NOT video game specific media) simply set their expectations HIGHER than hardcore gamers. The Wii had by far one of the best video game launches in history, thats a fact. Video game consoles suffer from a "drought" of games between 3~12 months (depending on who you ask) after its initial release, thats a fact. The Wii is just over 3 months old, thats a fact. When you compare the outstanding launch (Zelda + Wii Sports pack-in = Profit!) to the current lack of games (Warioware and Elebits are fun but they aren't Metroid or Super Smash Bros), of course you'll be extremely disappointed.

Re:Ask me when... (3, Informative)

Clock Nova (549733) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070770)

37 Helens agree:

Video game consoles suffer from a "drought" of games between 3~12 months after its initial release.

"It's a fact."

I'm still excited though this is giving me deja-vu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18070388)

It feels like the ds all over again. Decent launch, but the wait for the AAA games is killing me. Hopefully the Sonic game is good and able to tide me over.

The "drought" doesn't matter for new casual gamers (4, Insightful)

jchenx (267053) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070440)

A lot of this commentary is still focused on Nintendo's old core "hardcore" fanbase. Metroid Prime? Super Smash Bros? Even Super Mario Galaxy ... these are not games that are going to be consumed by the new casual owners of the Wii (folks like your parents and even grandparents). So what if the only game your parents play is Wii Sports, and they only turn it on to entertain their friends/family/guests? Your father is not suddenly going to be a hardcore player of Zelda, nor should that expectation be there. The next title they will pick up might be Wii Play. Critics will complain, "Wii Play is just more of the same Wii Sports type of action", and they'll be right. So yeah, it's not that great for typical hardcore gamers that want 10+ hours of content in their games ... but it's perfect for mom and pop which still consume the Wii casually. And that's the point.

All you need to do is take a look at the DS to see where Nintendo is going with the Wii. You've got a ton of light, casual content, in the form of brain training, casual sims (Nintendogs) and light puzzlers. Plus in Japan, there are all sorts of "non-games" (cookbooks, dictionaries, etc.). In the meantime, because the userbase is there and so large, there's plenty of traditional "hardcore" content as well (Castlevania, RPGs, etc.) to keep the main fanbase pleased.

I think it's a bloody smart business model to adopt. However, it's going to take a while for it to take shape on the Wii, just like it took a year to develop for the DS. Just be patient, gamers. In the meantime, there are all sorts of other games to play on "those other consoles", if you prefer the traditional hardcore games.

Sadly... (1, Insightful)

Omestes (471991) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070556)

Yes, but I don't think its the console's fault, but the games that are being released for it. Looking through the recent issue of Game Informer, I managed to get excited about a ton of upcoming releases, but none of them were for the Wii, the only real Wii game featured was some cooking game. Quirky? I'm sure it will be, and quirky is good, but the Wii already has a glut of perky games, but none of the staples.

Perhaps when Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Smash Bros. come out. It needs real games too, established genres. I do like looking like an idiot playing Wario Ware, but I'd also like some regular gaming action, I want a decent FPS, and some decent RPGs, and a good fighter. These are the first games I generally acquire for any console, and the games that keep me playing them. I still break out the "obsolete" consoles to play these types of games, the Wii is lacking them completely except for TP. Yes its a new console, and these will come, but this leads to another worry.

One thing I didn't here many people talking about is how the Wii lack of power will cause people to stop porting to it. Looking through that Game Informer you can see many multi-platformers coming out, but they're all PS3/360, with a conspicuous lack of Wii support. I'm going to have to buy a 360 to get my hot Conan action, and my steamy Star Wars force fix. Thinking about this, I guess the GC had the same problem, but it DID have the staple genres, even if light on the RPG front.

Anyone who goes through my post-history will notice that I was pimping the Wii pretty hard, but now I'm starting to worry.

Yeah, the magic's gone (5, Funny)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070602)

You hear that people? The magic is over! You can stop buying them up off the shelves so I could get one!

All three! (2, Interesting)

BW_Nuprin (633386) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070640)

I'm still excited about the potential of the Wii, but all three systems have lost their luster in my eyes. Nothing really exciting is coming out for any of them in the next six months, and pretty much all I play these days is my DS and the occasional Virtual Console game. Not that either is a bad thing! Where are the system sellers - for any system?

But where are they? (0, Redundant)

yroJJory (559141) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070666)

I'd just be happy to get my hands on one. They are never available in the stores.

The Magic is gone because its sold out (2, Interesting)

ufpdom (556704) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070688)

Welp I find it hard to believe that the magic gone. For most of us the magic isnt there because we can't find it in stores. I hear in March it will be easier to get one. I got oodles oof bestbuy gift cards (big mistake) ready to go get a wii. When I go to Japan in late march im willing to bet apples to oranges that I could get a wii out there. Lord Vader demands that this FUD faggotry end. The wii has outsold the PS3 for the moment in such a short time. Nintendo has been always been about catering to the people (ages 5-100) and they're doing a great job in that dept. (Brain Age anyone?). Like most of NIntendo's other products this is just another stepping stone to their own next gen (gba, gba-sp,gba-micro, fatty-NintendoDS, DSlite). Magic cant be gone if people continue to buy into it (LOL'ing at PS3)

Some of it might be... (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070798)

...the control system. Based on the reviews I have read, when it's done right, it's wonderful, but if it's done not so right, the game can be nigh unplayable. There's also some emerging quips about the last gen graphics.

Sure, if you've played it non-stop since Xmas. (1)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 6 years ago | (#18070878)

Is the magic gone? Probably, if you've played it non-stop since Christmas. Is it gone for the rest of us? Probably not. In a few years we'll buy a $50 Wii-emulator remote from somewhere, download a Wii emulator and a crap-load of free "ROMs" and we'll be happily entertained for a few hours. (Sorry, I'm almost 30...a little old for the console circuit.)
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