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MPAA and FBI Help To Train Swedish Police

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the Pirate-Bay-not-obvious-enough? dept.

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Several readers let us know about a program in which a US FBI agent and employees of the MPAA led a seminar for Swedish police officers in methods of finding and stopping illegal downloading from the Internet. The writer at zeropaid.com says, "I bet the Swedish people are going to love to find out that the US government and a US lobbying group now have a hand in training their police personnel. So much for the notion of national sovereignty." Reader Oxygen provided a bit of translation from an article in Swedish on IDG.se: "According to Bertil Ramsell, responsible for the course, the purpose of the visit was to give the invited speakers a chance to explain to the students what their organization's purpose was. But in a report from the IIPA, the purpose was to educate students in anti-piracy."

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Revolution (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18079906)

Get out your guns and start shooting at heads of state and their cronies, and also the corporate CEO's and their cronies.

It's time the governments of the world feared the people.

Re:Revolution (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080266)

I think it is time the people realise that the government is an instrument of the PEOPLE, they work for and represent the PEOPLE. I think alot of people have forgotten this.

The only people that took away your rights was yourselves.

Wake up.

stupid thinking (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080430)

since when did I have any input into government policy? I get to vote once every three years and that is it.

NO, its the corporates that control things...like the mass media, party funding, and so on.

Re:stupid thinking (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080558)

Actually it is the Israli Zionist movement that controls most of America's infrastructure (Comverse, Amdocs etc) and manipulates the politicians on both sides of the asile in congress and boyond. They historically manipulated the UK in WW1 and WW2, they are the ones that caused these wars and they are looking for a WW3 in order to expand the Israel state. Seriously, do some historical research on the matter. Check the ownership of major coroprations with influence. They are there and involved, and once they get what they what they want they will dump the US like a sack of potatoes just as they dumped the UK after it served its purpose.

People in the Middle East can see this clearly, the only people that cannot is the American's that cannot see it.

Try opening your eyes now and then you will be supprised if you actually look at what is happening and by WHOM.

MOSSAD , their moto says it all :) Deception is their tool and they use it very very well. They are the false flag operation gurus.

Re:stupid thinking (1, Offtopic)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080678)

Ah, yes... the old Zionist conspiracy.

Something happens that makes the Muslims look bad. It's the Zionist conspiracy.
Something happens that makes the Muslims look good. It's the Zionist conspiracy.
A company does something you don't like. Zionist conspiracy.
Your Eggos were burnt this morning. Zionist conspiracy.

We need a new moderation descriptor. -1 - Complete nutter

Re:stupid thinking (1, Informative)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080762)

It is interesting though that we are kicking all this fuss up about Iran and Korea having any sort of nuclear program even though they insist it is for power generation only. Yet Isreal have a well known nuclear weapons program which we have been ignoring for years.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/ [fas.org]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/corresponden t/2841377.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Re:stupid thinking (2, Insightful)

endianx (1006895) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081112)

It isn't having nukes that is the problem. It is how they would be used. Israel would never just randomly nuke Iran. Even if they found a way to do it so that it did not lead back to them, the Muslim world would blame them regardless, and it would be open war on Israel.

Iran, on the other hand, would be happy to nuke them some Jews. They probably wouldn't be so bold as to launch a missile at Israel, but if a suitcase nuke should happen to find it's way in there, well then so be it.

Every country has a right to try and acquire nuclear weapons (and even more so nuclear power). But countries who would be threatened by that also have a right to try and provide incentives (both positive and negative) to try and stop them.

Re:stupid thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18081758)

since when did I have any input into government policy? I get to vote once every three years and that is it.

Your choice. You could also choose to get involved. Pick a party that's close to what you belive in and start making a difference.

Re:Revolution (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081464)

I think it is time the people realise that the government is an instrument of the PEOPLE, they work for and represent the PEOPLE. I think alot of people have forgotten this.

The people also include the voters of New York, Los Angeles, Orlando, Nashville, etc. Quite a number of whom have a direct stake in the entertainment industry.

Now and again, they become Governor of California or President of the United States.

Re:Revolution (2, Insightful)

Morosoph (693565) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080276)

It's time the governments of the world feared the people.
Bad idea. Fear doesn't get people to do what you want.

Re:Revolution (2, Interesting)

jackharrer (972403) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080416)

Actually it does, but only for a very short time.

Re:Revolution (1)

svanstrom (734343) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080496)

It's time the governments of the world feared the people.
Bad idea. Fear doesn't get people to do what you want.
Of course it does, just see how well it's working with all the nukes etc that the US has... asif they'd ever actually have to use their weapons to get things done, and if they'd ever invade a country everyone in that country will stop fighting and do as the US says... or... hmmm...

Re:Revolution (1)

EddyPearson (901263) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080374)

That's insightful? Thats just good old fashioned misguided anarchy.

Re:Revolution (1)

takeya (825259) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080552)

Revoultion is not anarchy.

It is revolution. Out with the old, in with the new.

Re:Revolution (4, Insightful)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080642)

Revoultion is not anarchy.

It is revolution. Out with the old, in with the new.


"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
-The Who Won't Get Fooled Again.

theft (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080432)

It is still theft.

Re:Revolution (2, Insightful)

tenco (773732) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080478)

Destroy Power
Not People.

Re:Revolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080708)

Get out your guns

And get killed. Pull your head out of your ass, idiot: your silly guns are worth shit if you ever think of pulling a stunt like that. The police outguns you, they are better trained, you stand absolutely NO CHANCE at all.

The corporate CEOs? My, have you tried going through their security? Their bodyguards will kill you faster than the police - and they won't even warn you.

Keep spouting your shit, kid, and doing absolutely nothing. You are nothing. You can do nothing. You can't win. You can't even fight. The days "the people" could actually instill fear into their governments is long gone and won't come back.

Deal with it. Deal with it or suicide.

Re:Revolution (3, Insightful)

goldspider (445116) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081146)

It's a good thing that guns are all but completely banned in Sweden (a few registered long guns for hunting are permitted), otherwise the government might have to face an armed revolt. One can only hope that my own government in the USA will someday have nothing to fear from the People as well.

Re:Revolution (0)

mOdQuArK! (87332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081824)

Wasn't Sweden the country that required every able man to go through the military for a few years, then gave them a military weapon when they were done & required them to keep it handy just in case they had to join a militia on short notice? Or am I thinking of some other Scandinavian country?

Re:Revolution (1)

FusionDragon2099 (799857) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081994)

You're thinking of Switzerland.

Re:Revolution (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081224)

Get out your guns and start shooting at heads of state and their cronies, and also the corporate CEO's and their cronies. It's time the governments of the world feared the people.

It is this kind of talk, modded up "Insightful," that makes the world fear the Geek.

The bearded bomb-throwing anarchist who would be instantly recognizable in the editorial cartoons of 1906.

The old-time anarchist had at least some sense of proportion. His cause somewhat larger than having to pay for a print of a movie that cost $100 million dollars to produce.

Re:Revolution (1)

Markspark (969445) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081302)

funny.. i suggested the same thing yesterday, but using bombs, and i got modded -1 flamebait.. nice consistency.. anyway.. kill the *AA!

Bloc-ization (4, Funny)

kahei (466208) | more than 7 years ago | (#18079920)


As time goes on and power is consolidated in the world, smaller powers will find themselves increasingly strongly attached to the main power bloc with which they are affiliated. Thus European nations find themselves increasingly Americanized, Asia finds itself increasingly Sinicized, and the Islamic world finds itself increasingly dominated by relatively uniform fundamentalist thinking, as opposed to the diverse, relatively secular regional ideologies that prevailed in the last century.

Eventually, the three nations of Eurasia, Eastasia and Oceania will settle down into their near-endless cold war.

P.S. Eastasia will win.

Re:Bloc-ization (4, Funny)

psicic (171000) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080036)

Eventually?!?

What are you talking about?

We've always been at war with the pirat...terroris...er...EastAsia

Re:Bloc-ization (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080372)

Eastasia will win!? You wish. Round-eye will kick your ass!

Re:Bloc-ization (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080538)

P.S. Eastasia will win.

No, Aristasia will win (http://www.aristasia.co.uk/). You can't win against a nation populated entirely by pretty lesbians.

FP (-1, Troll)

Hyler (99628) | more than 7 years ago | (#18079942)

In Soviet Sweden, inter-governmental cooperation and involving outside competence makes a Beowulf cluster.

And the winner is... (0, Flamebait)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 7 years ago | (#18079944)

And Israel trains the FBI. How garbage rolls downhill...

Good article, trolling comment- (4, Insightful)

Aeron65432 (805385) | more than 7 years ago | (#18079970)

I thought the article was fairly interesting but this was just one troll of a comment. "I bet the Swedish people are going to love to find out that the US government and a US lobbying group now have a hand in training their police personnel. So much for the notion of national sovereignty."

There are United States military troops in Germany, Italy, South Korea, Japan, Colombia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Kosovo, Egypt, Singapore, Thailand, the UK, Spain, Turkey, Portugal, Qatar, Bahrain, Cuba, etc. etc. etc. We run the Iraqi and Afghanistan governments. Training Swedish police is not a threat to national sovereignty, and if you dispute this, it still barely scrapes the iceberg. It's hysteria to complain that training foreign governments is intruding on their sovereignty if they request it.

We train police around the world, in almost all situations, our assistance is requested and welcomed. (by the governments, at least) If the wholly independent Swedish government and the people were opposed, there might be a case.

Complain about training them in bad DMCA-style law enforcement, or in RIAA-scare-tactics. Don't complain about a foreign country asking and receiving assistance.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (2, Insightful)

Balp (7960) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080052)

All the bad press has been on it being MPA and IPFI, not on the FBI. FBI have been working with the swedish goverment for a long time. In both directions. The differece in the storied about MPA did at the scool from the MPA and the swedish police makes this an intersting story.

That the other speaker at the conference was the swedish version of RIAA that have tried to use scare tactice already, doesn't make it better. The only problem with FBI is that they are talking together with MPA at this occation.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080070)

It isn't so much that it's the US government, as it is a private company training a foreign national police force to enforce their private agenda. The government is one thing, they could know something about enforcing law and protecting the peace.
The MPAA aren't soldiers, they aren't police, and they aren't a neutral public institution. Their concerns isn't for the citizens. They're there solely to make sure their profits are safeguarded and that things will go exactly the way they want them to. They've essentially bought their way into law enforcement and there's something profoundly unsettling about that.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081056)

I think it's a great idea. We should also get other parties known for their neutrality to educate the police - for example PETA, Microsoft or Scientology.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (4, Insightful)

elmedico27 (931070) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081368)

The MPAA aren't soldiers, they aren't police,

Apparently the RIAA is a full-fledged police force [slashdot.org] , so I'm guessing the MPAA just wanted in on the "let's dress up like Hollywood SWAT team members and pretend to be police" action too.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081814)

it is a private company training a foreign national police force to enforce their private agenda.

Cultural nationalism can put piracy on the public agenda.

The domestic product withers in the face of the big-budget foreign film or video. You have no hope of building an export market if your rare commercial success abroad is casually pirated.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18081866)

It's actually about the JEWS at the end of everything... Who owns most of the media in the western world? Who dictates what YOU think? The JEWS.
That's why Is-real-hell still exists. That's why 650,000 people have died so far in the invasion of Iraq. That's why the U.S. is trying to begin an invasion of Iran. Because of the JEWS.

The Jews want to screw every penny they can out of their 'cattle' (goyim) and one of the easiest ways is to make us pay through the nose for their rubbish 'music'.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (5, Interesting)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080184)

Do you think American FBI agents are the only people in the world who knows how to catch file sharers? Or that there is so little technical know-how in Swedish organizations that we really need Americans to help us? It is not, Swedish cops are just as good at using computers as American cops are (if not better). Maybe they could use some help in improving their interrogation techniques, but they sure as hell do not bring Russian FSB agents over. The real reason why they invite the FBI has nothing to do with training.

What the big fuss is about, is that the Swedish police is tacitly agreeing that it will follow FBI:s and MPAA:s anti-piracy policies and do their dirty work for them. Which means do everything they can to shut down thepiratebay.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (4, Insightful)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080350)

>>> Which means do everything they can to shut down thepiratebay

Firstly, I expect the FBI and MPAA will be tainted to train to American laws. Obviously the Unless copyright laws are aligned between the two countries we're likely to see the Swedish Police overstepping the mark, like they did when they confiscated TPB servers previously - didn't that turn out to be against local law (TPB was working within the law?).

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (0, Offtopic)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080368)

ah. sry for the sh!te grammer, sp etc.. forgot to delete rest of sentence. no coffee yet.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (1)

init100 (915886) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080694)

didn't that turn out to be against local law (TPB was working within the law?).

That hasn't been determined yet. The police have imaged their servers, but refuse to give them back. They probably intend to keep them forever, maybe sell them to some criminals to make a tidy profit, as has been recently reported in local newspapers.

The case main prosecutor actually wrote in a PM six months before the raid that TPB was probably not doing anything illegal, or at least not doing something that they could prosecute. You can't prosecute someone for contributory copyright infringement without also prosecuting someone for the primary infringement. Finding the primary infringers would be a problem, and that's why TPB was off the hook, at least until the MPAA called the administration and demanded that something had to be done, legal or not. :)

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080412)

No, the Swedish police surely don't have any problems getting the expertise from other sources. My guess is that this is more to please the US corporate interests than actually training someone to go after pirates. Once the training is complete, all they need to do is some token efforts against piracy, then go back to catching kind of people the public really wants taken down.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (2, Insightful)

pimpimpim (811140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080186)

Who is this 'we' you're talking about? Are you as an American citizen also a part of the industrial structures as the MPAA? Would you fight for the rights of the MPAA if they called you to do so? Are you not a patriot if you don't agree with what the MPAA tells you to do? It sounds like you should rethink your stance on who is running your beloved country.

Sidenote: The US militairy troops in e.g. Germany have no authority outside the borders of their camps, also not over the German military. Also, in many cases the assistence of the US government is not very much welcomed, ask all the happy Iraquese whose country is now a big load of junk, with no outsight at all on a stable government. Actually, that is where the US calls in the help of the rest in the world, because creating stability doesn't seem to be on the list of competences of the US.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (4, Insightful)

Intrinsic (74189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080278)

Complain about training them in bad DMCA-style law enforcement, or in RIAA-scare-tactics. Don't complain about a foreign country asking and receiving assistance.


I doubt very highly, that the people of Sweden are in any way interested in copyright infringement law enforcement. Its lunacy to even be talking about it, copyright infringement is our countries way of trying to hold back the tide of an every increasing momentum of free expression. This isn't book and print. You put something out on the net or make it digital it no longer has any substance. It exists in the minds of the people that create it and experience it. Sharing ideas whether they originated with you are not is a natural part of how we express our selfs. Get over it, and move the fuck on.

I'm Swedish and I think like this: (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18081010)

I'm Swedish and I think like this:

A) Copying IS NOT stealing.
B) As long as the people that made the data that is being copied has a roof over their head and food to eat they can't complain too much. If they have more they should just STFU.
C) A pirate is not bad if he does not use copied content to make money. Pirates that profit is however an issue to talk about.
D) We live and die. If somebody copies a file in order to increase their life's value I say go ahead and let him. It's all about making people's life better, right...?
E) Piracy does absolutely not mean that nobody will go to the movies anymore or buy them. If it somehow does a new legal distribution system needs to be arranged.
F) If you can afford it and want to support the people behind it, and if you are not lazy at the time, go ahead and purchase the item in question.

That is just my brain however. Maybe it can be yours too?

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081032)

You put something out on the net or make it digital it no longer has any substance.

In this respect, how is the Internet different than analog broadcast? I can't touch or hold any broadcast any more than I can touch or hold a digital stream.

The reasoning you have on sharing ideas seems pretty odd on a site whose constituents routinely say that the recording and movie industries and their products don't have any ideas.

I think your argument is specious in another way, because it is continually getting easier and cheaper for anyone to make their own images, music and videos to share their own artistic views, why advocate the sharing the works of those that are least interested in it? The quicker we leave them out of it, the quicker they'll go away.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (0)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080394)

"We train police around the world, in almost all situations, our assistance is requested and welcomed."

I bet the Iraqis disagree.

Re: there's a difference between international law (1)

purpleraison (1042004) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080602)

There's a difference between international law, and American law. Sending the FBI, an organization whose operating objectives are solely to combat INTERNAL national crime (ie. American crimes that cross state borders) NOT international criminal activities. Additionally, there is no justification for the RIAA, an American organization representing American business interests to join hands with the FBI in an international endeavor to fight music downloads. Perhaps something more important, like human trafficking, or arms smuggling -- but even that goes to international police agencies like Interpol. Weird....

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (1)

PodBayDoor (831711) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080604)

Mod parent down; certainly not "Insightful".

The reasons why are almost entirely covered in the other replies, but I would add the following:

America's interference in matters of copyright and DRM is *never* welcomed , it is simply tolerated because:
1. the US is a significant market for all kinds of good and the world's leading producer of media, and therefore it's trade agreements are a serious bargaining chip
2. the US is also the world's leading military power, which gives it power in other domains (e.g. invading Iraq to control oil resources)

But things change - patents lapse or are denied force, military assets become obsolete, other economies and markets and producers develop. And when governments consistently fail the people they represent, they are replaced or toppled, by vote or revolution. The ecology of power in a state and between states enforces limits, and there will always be enough little people to pull down greedy Gulliver.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080842)

Yes, everyone was so thankful for the the training of the contras.

Re:Good article, trolling comment- (1)

pilotfactory (1024667) | more than 7 years ago | (#18082094)

"It's hysteria to complain that training foreign governments is intruding on their sovereignty if they request it." now take a guess, did the swedish request it?

Uh (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18079978)

From TFA:

FBI agent Andrew Myers and the MPAA have given a group of six Swedish police officers extensive training on how to effectively combat piracy and catch people who engage in illegal downloading from the internet.

How exactly is the MPAA able to teach Swedish police how to "effectively combat piracy", when the MPAA themselves fail to achieve that?

Re:Uh (4, Interesting)

jackharrer (972403) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080438)

The same they did in Poland. There are three guys coming to your home: judge, cop and IT guy. If you don't allow them in they sign a warrant on spot and enter your premises. They even have certain pricelist, like 1 PLN for a mp3, 5 PLN for a film. Plus retail price for all illegal software. If you don't pay or cooperate - they just take your computer. And they have no problems with Win software and security (as if anybody have).

Is it a law? Or it's an abuse?

Re:Uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080508)

As soon as qualified Swedish police officers will come in and "bust" (as in "walk-in-the-server-room-and-talk-to-some-dude-for -4-hours") some poor ISP's servers, they will find nothing that would be against their law. Then, during the 2 day period of the site's servers being confiscated, the site gets itself temporary hosting in a gray-server haven called Amsterdam, and functions as usual, then they get their servers back and the police now owe them an apology for raiding every server there was, hurting the company's business. The next day, MPAA will come up in its news section with a "LOL! LOOK! WE JUST BUSTID A SWEDISH PIRATE CONSPIRACY SECRET RING WHO ARE RUTHLESS PIRATES DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS REALLY A SEARCH WITHOUT RESULTS!"

Re:Uh (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081162)

They teach them the MPAA way: Sue first, ask questions later.

In next election.... (4, Insightful)

DrYak (748999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18079980)

And suddenly the popularity of the "Piratpartiet [wikipedia.org] " bumps up to 56%, and steals 2/3 of the sweedish parliament on next election...

Thank you, RIAA, this was the most intelligent thing to do.

Now there is a thought. (4, Funny)

Don_dumb (927108) | more than 7 years ago | (#18079994)

"I bet the Swedish people are going to love to find out that the US government and a US lobbying group now have a hand in training their police personnel. So much for the notion of national sovereignty."
I hope the Swedish will love it just as much as the Iraqi people do.

UK children (2, Interesting)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080012)

Well, in the UK children who study computer science study a module that basically tells them how to comply with software licences, and that it is illegal to "copy software".

Re:UK children (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080056)

So what, in communist countries you had to study Marxism/Leninism, no matter what you studied. At least so far the copycrap hasn't been forced down every other science branch.

Re:UK children (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080238)

Er, children don't study computer science in the UK. They might have a GCSE in IT, but that's totally different to computer science. Generally, people don't study computer science until they are adults at university. I did exactly that, and have never heard of this so-called software license module.

Re:UK children (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080742)

Er, children don't study computer science in the UK.

Well, they call it ICT.

I did exactly that, and have never heard of this so-called software license module.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/ict/lega l/ [bbc.co.uk]

Re:UK children (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080908)

Well, they call it ICT.

From the link you've provided, it seems I was right. That's not even remotely computer science - it's IT. Just because it involves computers, it doesn't make it computer science.

Re:UK children (1)

Phillip2 (203612) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081906)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/ict/lega [bbc.co.uk] l/

A scary questionaire. Aside from the didactics, which are poor, there were a surprising number of factual errors.

"If you buy a legal copy of a CD, it's okay to copy it"

was marked as wrong when it could be true or false. It was riddled with this sort of error.

If you are going to talk about the law, then you should get
it correct.

Re:UK children (1)

init100 (915886) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080852)

In my university we used so much free software that it would be strange to have a course teaching students that "it's illegal to copy software". :)

Re:UK children (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081454)

Well, in the UK children who study computer science study a module that basically tells them how to comply with software licences

I hope they cover all the basic types from closed source commercial to BSD and GNU. When they understand the licences, they can make good choices in software selection.

I used to buy software just on features alone. Now I select software based on TCO, liability, usefulleness within the license, and features. In short, I use the best value. Low value restricted use software at high prices are of no use and are a liability. BSA member software is a liability with high risk in the license agreement.

I know, it's premature and immature, but... (3, Insightful)

SlovakWakko (1025878) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080018)

...so long, piratebay, and thanks for all the torrents...

Comment from the Pirat Party (4, Insightful)

tcdk (173945) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080046)

From http://www2.piratpartiet.se/ [piratpartiet.se] in my translation:

"The judicial system is make a mistake a see these lobby organisations as some sort of private police corp. Their only interest is to keep their old profitable monopoly. There organisations have nothing to do in our judicial system, says The Pirate Partys partyleader Rickard Falkvinge."

That pretty much sums it up if you ask me.

Re:Comment from the Pirat Party (3, Insightful)

jackharrer (972403) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080318)

Problem is that 'old profitable monopoly' finances politicians, which in turn do whatever those monopolies want.
It's called politics.
No way to do anything to it, as long as they have at least a little of their reputation left. Which is not much, anyway.

Re:Comment from the Pirat Party (2, Interesting)

Slyswede (945801) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080780)

Swedish politicians are actually not funded directly by private interests, since we don't have personal elections in the true sense of the word. Although you are allowed to check your personal favourite on the ballot, your vote still counts mainly against the party of that candidate. While this reduces the need for candidates to fund their own election campaigns, it creates an interesting problem in my opinion since the political parties instead get their funding from the taxpayers. This means there's no way for me to avoid supporting people with ideas I really don't care for. :( On the other hand, with a larger share of the popular vote, the pirate party would also get money from the taxpayers... I bet the MPA and RIAA would love that. :)

I still thing the Nazi threat was worse... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080090)

Johann Georg Elser, Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg and the Scholl silblings might have failed stopping the Nazis and were prostecuted as terrorists.

But Osama bin'Laden is rich!

May Allah, God and everyone else bless him!

Re:I still thing the Nazi threat was worse... (1)

kaysan (972266) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080446)

and we're running out of milk!

Swedish police plans kidnapping people for RIAA? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080146)

Swedish police forces have an established track record of helping people kidnap their own citizens for torture in third world countries. I wouldn't put it past for them to help the FBI and RIAA kidnap people. They have a very poor knowledge of Swedish law in general and should first receive more training in it. US laws are not what the Swedish police forces need to learn or know about.

The most wonderful irony... (4, Insightful)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080164)

The most wonderful irony is that when i quote Orwell to illustrate my opinion of what this means, *I'm* the criminal.

Fight them abroad... (1)

Hangtime (19526) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080262)

so we don't have to fight them here?

Swedish Taxpayers Subsidize Foreign Publishers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080296)

I'm guessing that if one were to do careful accounting on this, one would find that taxpayer funds that could be spent more productively elsewhere in Sweden are instead being diverted to enhancing the revenues of foreign publishers. How this is in the Swedish national interest is probably something that no amount of accounting can explain.

Re:Swedish Taxpayers Subsidize Foreign Publishers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080346)


It might stop them being bitchslapped with a big fine by some WIPO type body if they look like they are making an effort to stop copyright infringement.

well... (1)

cosmocain (1060326) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080332)

...the FBI trains the swedish police - that's not as exciting as one might think. i guess (even though i got no facts on that) that the FBI (or some other "secret service") train almost all of the police forces somewhere...

but why the heck is a lobbyist group involved? yeah, sure. they could give a speech on the matters of piracy and on how we all are doomed if we don't stop the uberevil pirates of the world from ruining markets, margins and stuff. they could even hand out some flyers. a nice powerpoint showing, err, well... facts and figures. but - as a lobbyist group - they should NOT be allowed to tangle with trainings. that's the moment when all parties involved should stand up and state: "nice for coming, folks, thanks for the freebies and now get the f* outta here"

Re:well... (1)

Alchemar (720449) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080876)

I want to know if the FBI and MPAA represenatives were given extensive training in the difference in laws between the two countries concerning copyright and civil rights before teaching the police force how to properly enforce the laws as they apply.

Wrong perception in the USA (4, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080342)

Folks, Swedes are not angels. They are people just like you and me. Yes, there is no RIAA or MPAA in Sweden (yet), but that doesn't mean that there aren't wealthy and powerful people who are pushing their profit-driven agenda, there. The same is true for my country, Finland. Yeah, it's where Linus was born and raised, but it doesn't make it heaven on earth. For example, we have our share of corrupt CxOs, don't worry.

Re:Wrong perception in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080434)

There is APB www.antipiratbyran.com

Re:Wrong perception in the USA (2, Interesting)

Ontology42 (964454) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080440)

IT's called having sane copyright laws, the U.S. should look into this "New form" of thought.

Re:Wrong perception in the USA (1)

kastberg (726375) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080790)

there is, IFPI and antipiratbyrån.

Finland not heaven on Earth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18081698)

The hell you say!

we'd never do that (2, Informative)

oneplus999 (907816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080352)

yeah cause its not like americans ever got training from the french during the american revolution

Re:we'd never do that (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081808)

We received Freedom training, not French training.

Why Am I Suddenly Thinking (1)

ReidMaynard (161608) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080354)

Why am I suddenly thinking of puppet-police all talking like Swedish Chef from The Muppets..

So ? You swedish are going to let this slide ? (2, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080382)

The swedish i know would raise hell because of that issue, its crooked perpetrators, anyone who participated and related government agencies.

There are no news around to that extent yet. We are waiting to see some swedish democracy in action.

Re:So ? You swedish are going to let this slide ? (1)

larske (518751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081028)

My experience (as a swede) is that the general public in Sweden (the middle-swenson or medelsvensson i.e. joe sixpack) are mostly ignorant of important issues as long as they get their weekly dose of celebrity news and glorification of national sport heroes. Intellectual property issues are mostly unknown, the problems with patents are rarely discussed and people do not understand how big business (and the media monopolists in particular) lobby away our freedom and integrity.

The Reason as I see it (1)

salle_from_sweden (896798) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080526)

It's not a threat to our sovereignity to seek advice and skill from other countries police forces, or from interest groups who knows about piracy and how it is done (and are willing to help).
Why are we doing this?
Well because the US has put some pressure on the last government, so slowly changes are being made. Why do we care what the US says?
We don't want to be the next Cuba (or Iraq before the invasion), our biggest export market is the US (ok it's only 10% but still).

So to please our economic overlords we train 6 police officers to deal with an illegal activity that 1 million swedes do, ie piracy. Is this going to put an end to piracy in sweden? Probably not.
Will it lessen the extent to which there is movie, music and software piracy?
Again probably not. Because the swidish police is still very inefficiant they have to do an godawfull amount of paperwork for every case, and as the laws are right now it's hard to collect evidence against users who are found sharing or downloading copyrighted files on p2p sites or programs, as the police can't get warrants to search computers, and it's illegal for them to hack our computers (regardless of how unprotected it is).
So they will probably try to close down torrent-sites and DC-hubs and find the "key players" in "piracing groups". That provide rips and cracks and what not to the masses.
I guess it's because the sueing tactic RIAA uses in the US is impossible in Sweden.

MPAA and FBI Help To Train Swedish Police (3, Funny)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080744)

You know, this is how the Vietnam war started. First we send in "advisors". Then we make up a story about being attacked off the coast of Gotland, and the rest is history.

Isnt it also curious that FBI spares resources (2, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18080816)

for that, whereas, as they say, a 'worldwide battle against terrorism' is going on at the same time ?

Very curious that, one important government agency can spare resources to spend for a PRIVATE organisation's whims, whereas there are army units deployed in iraq, afghanistan, pakistan is battling a lot of internation terrorist organisations trying to get roots in there, and terrorists are constantly trying to sneak into major western countries ?

Either they are screwing us over terrorist threat level, or they are screwing us over our taxes.

Re:Isnt it also curious that FBI spares resources (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081060)

My knowledge of USA intelligence agencies comes only from TV/cinema but...

CIA: Edward Wilson [imdb.com]
FBI: Fox Mulder [imdb.com]

2 different agencies which have different responsibilities. I'd suggest, again only from watching popular culture, that the CIA is more focussed on your 'worldwide battle against terrorism' than the FBI.

Re:Isnt it also curious that FBI spares resources (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081124)

At first I thought you weren't American, and I was going to let it slide... then I read the last line where you used "us" and "our".

Do you understand what the FBI actually does? It's a little bit of everything. But being the son of a retired police officer, I know they do a lot of training. If someone requests help, they provide it... it's pretty simple.

Threats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18080932)

It's a problem that only one view was represented at the seminar but not so much a threat to sovereignty.
The trade sanctions threat posed earlier is more worrying in this regard.

Sweden: Grow a Set (2, Informative)

organgtool (966989) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081022)

Up until now, I was always apprehensive of visiting Sweden for fear of being assaulted from all angles by pirates trying to get me to buy a bootleg of Justin Timerlake's latest CD, but now I will be able walk the streets of Sweden with confidence.

All jokes aside, this is very disturbing. Even more disturbing is the fact that I have read several comments that don't seem too troubled by this behavior. People have forgotten that the police are a resource used to protect the physical well-being of their fellow citizens. They are not there to protect copyright holders from other countries. And time spent investigating copyright infringement by the police is less time spent investigating real CRIMES. Sweden needs to grow some balls and tell the MPAA to stay out of the police department.

Time to move my Swede bank account (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18081330)

To a more friendly country; like South Africa!

what is wrong with knowledge sharing? (0, Troll)

azery (865903) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081452)

I think it is a good idea that police forces share their ideas. Why shouldn't we know how speeding, murder, traffic jams, illegal music, etc are handled in other countries? It doesn't mean that you have to copy the discussed techniques and apply them without thinking or checking them against your own law system... Typically slashdot: information should be free unless it can be used to check about pirated software or music.

slippery slope (1)

pizpot (622748) | more than 7 years ago | (#18081548)

Dear Sweden:

Don't use the American's help. They will have you using shock gernades on people with keyboards and mice. Also any agreements that you sign are actually legal tricks. You might think it is just a disclaimer or something, but that is only because a US federal lawyer made it look innocent. Before you know it, you will be sorry. Take it from Canada and Mexico. Do engage the US! I know they are persistsant. That is how they spread. Just keep ignoring them until they move on.

This is a good thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18081614)

The police in Sweden need to first destroy all
copies of songs by the wannabe artists. Then they need
to go after Roxette. When they are done with that, they
can go after the motherload: ABBA


Elimination of all traces of ABBA will help the world.

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