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January Game Sales Explode, Wii Dominates

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the wii're-in-the-money dept.

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njkid1, as he does from time to time, passed us a link to a story on the GameDaily site. Today they're discussing the January NPD numbers for the games industry. In short, they're terrific. Software sales totaled $549 million for the month, up a staggering 53 percent over last year. Hardware sales were brisk as well, with the Wii selling around 436,000 units. Trailing behind were Microsoft and Sony, with 360 hitting 294,000 units sold and the PS3 selling 244,000 units. January had an extra week, which resulted in 'inflated' sales, but even after normalizing the data things were tremendous for the games industry in a month where there's normally a post-holiday slump.

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478 comments

Troubling for Sony (4, Insightful)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#18099944)

Sales wise, Sony has a problem. They've sold fewer units than either of their competitors and they're selling them at a slower rate, which means that gulf will only increase. If this continues, more and more franchises that were exclusive to Sony will move to become multi platform. Assassin's Creed, GTA, and VF have already done so. The PS3 may be a great system with great games, but from a sales perspective their situation is dire.

If Nintendo keeps numbers like this up though, the PS3/360 debate becomes moot. They would be the undisputed sales leader by the middle of next year. Even the PS2 rarely broke 400,000 units during a non-holiday-season month. And who knows what they Wii sales figures would be if they could keep up with demand.

Re:Troubling for Sony (4, Insightful)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 7 years ago | (#18099978)

Most games I've seen on Gamespot and IGN that I am interest in are listed as coming out for the PS3 have X360 versions as well (Armored Core 4, Bladestorm, etc.). In fact, if Square will move Final Fantasy XIII to the X360 (or even the Wii) then I would have absolutely zero reason to buy a PS3. A developer shift to other platforms would devastate Sony in the console market.

Re:Troubling for Sony (1, Insightful)

dank zappingly (975064) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100972)

Dude, you have to be insane if you think Square is going to move Final Fantasy XIII to the Wii.

Re:Troubling for Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101070)

Do you have any rational thought behind that comment, or are you just an overt flamer?

Re:Troubling for Sony (1, Insightful)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101090)

The FF series from 7 onward have had a pretty huge focus on eye-candy. Its pretty hard for me to imagine the main line of FF games moving to any console that doesn't support HD resolutions from this point onward.

Re:Troubling for Sony (3, Insightful)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101100)

Dude, you have to be insane if you think Square is going to move Final Fantasy XIII to the Wii.

Yeah, it would be as crazy/ impossible as them moving Dragon Quest to the DS.

oh, wait.

Re:Troubling for Sony (4, Insightful)

jackharrer (972403) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100102)

Sony thought that PS2 will sell PS3. And that would happened if not that they put prices well over the limit.
Wii is a winner because people CAN afford it. Exactly the same happened with "inferior" Nintendo DS. Strange that Sony didn't learn the lesson.

Re:Troubling for Sony (1)

Boreras (1000123) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101042)

I would still say that the PS3's major problem at this very moment is games. And I mean good games, but numbers are also important I guess.

Re:Troubling for Sony (3, Insightful)

Sacrelicious2 (1064224) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100130)

As far as the 'low' sales figure for the xbox 360, remember, unlike the wii/ps3, it has already been out for about 16 months, compared to 3-4 months. The fact that the Xbox 360 is STILL outselling the PS3 is quite amazing

Re:Troubling for Sony (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100282)

I don't think that the 360's numbers are all that low. Outside of Nov. and Dec. 200k-300k units is about what a console would normally sell. By that, the PS3's numbers aren't even that low. At this point in the game though, it's not enough for Sony to be selling the average amount. They're behind, and they need to make up ground. At this point they're still losing it.

Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (2, Insightful)

TheJerg (1052952) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100156)

Nintendo might be by the middle of next year, but how about 4 years from now? It's way too early to be predicting a victory for any company, or defeat for that matter.

Re:Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (4, Insightful)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100274)

If Nintendo's ahead by the middle of next year, they're going to stay there. Console sales are a matter of momentum. Selling a lot of consoles attracts developers, which make the console more attractive to customers, which sells more consoles. While it's certainly possible for one to come from far behind and take the lead with some killer app that appears long after launch, I can't remember any instances of that happening.

Re:Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (3, Insightful)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100396)

It might be to early to predict the exact outcome, but the positioning in this first year is crucial for all companies involved. If Sony can't reach a critical mass with the PS3 fast enough, then developers will stop making exclusive games since they can't make a profit without a large enough install base. As I've stated we've already seen this with VF and GTA. Without exclusive games, the incentive to buy a PS3 diminishes and their sales lag even further behind the competitors. As sales lag more, even more exclusives flee the console to recoup their investments on other systems. It's circular. It's exponentially more difficult to reclaim ground you've lost than it is to keep ground you've already made. At this point, I don't think Sony's fate is written in stone. The margins are still narrow enough that they could come out on top. However, it's going to require a significant price drop or a plethora of excellent exclusive games to regain the ground that they have already lost, neither of which is on the horizon any time soon.

Publishers (3, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100492)

Something that a lot of Sony fans miss is that publishers hold the purse strings (and determine what games get made) and the only performance they care about is sales performance. Certainly, the outcome can not be determined after 3 months but (unless something changes soon) things will snowball out of controll and the PS3 will be in serious trouble.

The fact is that (if the Wii continues to sell like it has been) the Wii will be the best selling platform in the World by Christmas 2007, and probably will be the best selling platform in every region by Christmas 2008; if this happens every publisher who has worldwide interests (think every major publisher) will focus on the Wii by Christmas 2007, and every publisher will be focusing on the Wii by Christmas 2008.

Re:Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (1)

rizzo420 (136707) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100750)

4 years from now, we'll be thinking about the next generation of consoles. PS2 was announced in 1999 and released in 2000. the original xbox was announced in 2000 and released in 2001 (the xbox 360 was released 4 years after the original xbox, and the PS3 was released 6 years after the PS2, which didn't come far after the original playstation... and the gamecube was released in 2001, 5 years before the wii). 4 years from now, there'll be at least an announcement for the next generation of consoles. by then, no one will be caring about the current crop and the actual consoles won't be selling all that much anymore.

that being said, i do think that the PS3 will continue to sell because of the HD/blu-ray capabilities, but i wouldn't be surprised if nintendo made some sort of announcement about an update for the wii that unlocks better HD capabilities.

currently, the wii already has a ton of games, many of which are great. once they have network/internet capable games, it'll be awesome. i really have no interest in a PS3 because i don't have and can't afford an HD TV (making it impossible for me to afford a PS3) and because my wii is already super fun. i don't care about cool graphics, i care about games that are fun to play, and the wii is just that. the reason the wii will continue to sell is because it's fun, not only for the gamer, but for just about anyone who picks it up. my mother and fiancee, both not even remotely into video games, have fun with it. my fiancee is practically addicted to it. the same wouldn't happen with the PS3 or xbox.

Re:Troubling for Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100306)

One thing you fail to consider is that the PS3 is only out in Japan and America. It has NOT been released in Europe.

And just how would ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100520)

... releasing the PS/3 in Europe affect console sales numbers for the US? The numbers being bandied about from the fine article are NPD's estimates of the US market alone.

Re:Troubling for Sony (4, Informative)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100554)

No, I considered it. These numbers are US and Canada only, so the comparison is perfectly apt. NPD does not monitor oversees sales figures. In Japan, the numbers are actually worse for Sony. I think this article [gamasutra.com] sums up the situation well. As for Europe, the fact that they haven't released yet there is a bad thing, not an excuse. It would be better for the PS3 to be selling poorly in Europe at this point rather than not selling at all.

Re:Troubling for Sony (5, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100846)

Sony has a problem. They've sold fewer units than either of their competitors and they're selling them at a slower rate
It's not that bad. They make a loss on each one they sell, so the fact that they are selling fewer of them means they aren't making as much of a loss as they could be...

Re:Troubling for Sony (1)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101094)

Wrong. The unit is already produced so you already have the expense. They need to sell the units to reduce the Sunk costs [wikipedia.org] .

"Post Holiday Slump" (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 7 years ago | (#18099962)

The reason this month wasn't a slump is because people are still excited about the new consoles (whether it be Wii or PS3). I bet February will be just as strong!

That doesn't mean it isn't good news for the industry though, but I just thought it was a little obvious. However, it's interesting to see that Nintendo seems to be making more units than PS3, or PS3 isn't selling all of their units they make.

Re:"Post Holiday Slump" (-1, Redundant)

Quila (201335) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100086)

However, it's interesting to see that Nintendo seems to be making more units than PS3, or PS3 isn't selling all of their units they make.

The local Target sells out of Wiis within an hour or so of them hitting the shelves; however, you can always find some PS3s on the shelf.

A story in itself... (3, Insightful)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18099986)

Hardware sales were brisk as well, with the Wii selling around 436,000 units. Trailing behind were Microsoft and Sony, with 360 hitting 294,000 units sold and the PS3 selling 244,000 units.

This in itself is good story. Keep in mind that Sony PS3's and Microsoft Xbox 360's are widely available and on stores shelves everywhere, while the Wii's are still in short supply. In spite of that, the Wii is still outselling both. If you're Microsoft, you can always claim that it's because the 360 has been out for a year, and it's total sales are (of course) much higher at this point.

But if you're Sony, that's just got to hurt.

/still wants a Wii...

Re:A story in itself... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100154)

Oh give the fanboy bullshit a rest!

Everyone is tired of Nintendo fanboys and their 'I can't find a Wii OMG!!! I'm so desperate cuz the system is so damn POPULAR!!! But I see other consoles sitting on the shelves AND THEY WERE DUSTY!!!"

With the embarrassingly bad 2007 release list Nintendo has going it's idiotic fanboy ramblings that are going to be so funny, in a sad way, to come back to come middle of the year.

Pointing and waggling is no substitute for real third party support which Nintendo obviously has failed to secure just like they failed to do with the GameCube. Outside of Nintendo fanboys, the world isn't waiting around to buy the same old GameCube franchises and PS2 ports with some pointing bolted on.

Re:A story in itself... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100270)

You are right, but you are also arguing against a zealot. The Nintendo fans are diehards and they exult in any Nintendo success. Also, they seem weirdly convinced that great graphics and fantastic gameplay are mutually exclusive.

Once the good games start rolling out for the PS3, and people realise that immersive graphics can only improve gaming, then the PS3 will come into its own, and the Wii will look like what it actually is: a great system for kids and people who want the console equivalent of party games. It's an honourable niche to fill.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100562)

Are you saying that Wii has 'bad' graphics? Sure they arn't on par with PS3/xBox360, but are they 'bad?' Do you find yourself playing Wii games and saying "damn these graphics suck!"

Re:A story in itself... (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100786)

### Do you find yourself playing Wii games and saying "damn these graphics suck!"

Actually that was my very first reaction after seeing the intro of Zelda. The graphics got better later on, but the low-polycount in the environment was pretty damn ugly in the intro, seeing Epona riding a long a cliff which was literally build out of five polygons really isn't exactly what I call beautiful, not even by last-gen standards.

Currently most Wii games focus on unrealistic and stylized graphics, so the lack of power doesn't show, but then that itself is also the Wii biggest problem, since there is a serious lack of 'mature' games.

Re:A story in itself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100684)

Oh, great, this again. "Wii is teh kiddie, there aren't enough games!"

"PS3 will be cool... when the games come out... I promise..."

Look, you can't make some "Wii release list sux olol" when it's too early for much of the 2007 lineup to have even been announced. Also, you're really furthering the PS3 graphics whore stereotype by idolizing upcoming games based only on trailers. As we haven't played the games that haven't been released, we don't know which ones suck yet.

If you compare titles actually released, the PS3 is way behind the other two in quality and range. Arguments based on facts which might occur in the future are useless.

Re:A story in itself... (3, Insightful)

niconorsk (787297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100690)

You've got a fair point there. I know the PS3 has potential for some fantastic games. That is, if a publisher fully takes advantage of its capacity. Thing is, I think you underestimate just how big of a market kids and people wanting good party games are.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100702)

Once the good games start rolling out for the PS3, and people realise that immersive graphics can only improve gaming, then the PS3 will come into its own, and the Wii will look like what it actually is: a great system for kids and people who want the console equivalent of party games. It's an honourable niche to fill.


I must say that "immersive graphics can only improve gaming" is 100% false ...

I remember in 2001 and 2002 the XBox fanboys always were showing screenshots of their games claiming that all of these games were AAA+ and were going to crush anything the PS2 had ... They were wrong, and most of the games were shit. The fact is that there are very few developers who are successful at producing games that both look good and play well.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

jfodale (1032534) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100796)

That doesn't really disprove his point though... Was it the "immersive graphics" that caused those games to suck? I'd argue that the reason those games sucked was because of the gameplay, not because the graphics were immersive.

Therefore, I'd agree that "immersive graphics can only improve gaming".

Re:A story in itself... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100944)

Therefore, I'd agree that "immersive graphics can only improve gaming".

Except that graphics increase the cost of making the game which usually means something else needs to get cut.

Re:A story in itself... (5, Funny)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100878)

You are right, but you are also arguing against a zealot.

Wow! Did I just get called a Nintendo zealot?

I don't even own a Nintendo! I own an Xbox 360 which is pretty neat, an old PS2 that I don't play any more, and a PSP which I haven't played after the first couple of months of getting it. (Talk about unfulfilled expectations!)

The last piece of Nintendo equipment I owned was an old—THE ORIGINAL!—Nintendo Entertainment System console, which I sold used over 15 years ago.

The reason I want a Wii so badly is because 1) I have an Xbox 360, and though it's fun to play with sometimes, it's really not that special, 2) I have seen absolutely nothing from the PS3 that merits any attention whatsoever (let alone $600 of my hard-earned cash!), and 3) the Wii looks like a lot of fun and a lot different from the ho-hum games that I'm so bored with now. Maybe I'm wrong, but according to what my friends who have managed to procure one say, I'm not.

Heh. A guy who hasn't owned a Nintendo console in over a decade and a half gets called a zealot because he wants a Wii and points out how well they're selling. That's a good one.

Re:A story in itself... (2, Interesting)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101026)

You are right, but you are also arguing against a zealot. The Nintendo fans are diehards and they exult in any Nintendo success. Also, they seem weirdly convinced that great graphics and fantastic gameplay are mutually exclusive.
Actually, it's more that great graphics and an affordable system are mutually exclusive. I don't have $500 or $600 to spend on a game system. Even if I get a 360 (I like it, but it's still a little too expensive) it doesn't look all that impressive on a standard TV (I've heard some games don't even size the text to be legible on SD) and I just do not have the money for an HDTV. However, the Wii is perfect for my old TV. That's why I'm a Nintendo fan. I still play my ps2, though.

Re:A story in itself... (4, Insightful)

aborchers (471342) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100466)

I resist my temptation to ignore AC...

"Oh give the fanboy bullshit a rest!"

What is it with this "fanboy" ad hominem nonsense? It must really sting to see wimpy Nintendo kicking your techno-powerhouse asses all over the schoolyard.

I have owned a PSX and PS2 and loved both. I considered myself a dedicated Sony customer until they tried to sell Blu-ray to me through an incremental-improvement (don't start citing the specs, I'm taking playability) game platform. If I was in the market for a Blu-ray player, I would consider PS3 a bargain. I'm not, though, so it looks to me like an overpriced boondoggle offering no real gains. I probably will buy a PS3 some day to get a bargain blu-ray player and keep my PSX/PS2 library playable. Plus there's bound to be some must-have game for the platform (probably the next Wipeout) that will drive me. Right now I simply have no reason.

I bought a Wii and I love it. I owned the original NES until around 1990, bought a GC to play Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee (before it was ported) but other than that have never been particularly partial to Nintendo. I bought a Wii because it looked like *fun* for me and my wife and kids to play together and it is!

So, if anyone needs to give the "fanboy bullshit" a rest, it's all you jackasses claiming the Wii is a fan phenomenon. It is winning because it is selling to fans and to new customers of all kinds, whether they are existing gamers or not. It is winning because it is a blast to play, just like Pac Man or Doom are still fun, in all their pixelated glory.

Re:A story in itself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100638)

Hey retard, the games come on BlueRay! Blow it out your ass!

Re:A story in itself... (1)

aborchers (471342) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100664)

First fanboy and now retard. I forget my place.

Re:A story in itself... (5, Funny)

Leviance (1001065) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100180)

Yeah, the biggest story is the differential between the 360 and the ps3. Sony can't be liking that the gulf between the ps3 their self-proclaimed "competitor" is getting even wider.

On a positive note, the PS3 has passed up the 3DO in sales (*thumbs up!*)

Another hidden story, from the article:
"And the PS2 also continues to outperform the PS3; Sony's six-year-old system sold 299K units."

Re:A story in itself... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100348)

"Another hidden story, from the article:
"And the PS2 also continues to outperform the PS3; Sony's six-year-old system sold 299K units.""

Woah! You aren't too bright are you? Every single console developer is seeing that Sony just sold 300k units of their seven year old console and 244k of their brand new console. So all those developers who put their massive support behind Sony seven years ago with the PS2 still have a vibrant and hugely expanding market that a year and a half after a new generation console has gone on sale it continues easily outsell.

And on top of that Sony has put the hard work into making sure that all those developers out there who have are still putting out games for the gigantic - 105-110 million - PS2 market will all run flawlessly on the PS3. Right now for PS2 developers Sony just put almost 600k new systems out there that can run your software.

Is the little light bulb going off over your head and grasping why Sony has the largest developer support by a huge margin and that even PC game developers(even though they clearly for the most part arne't up to the task, -cough- Carmack -cough-) are now scrambling to get their games on Sony's platform?

I'll go through it again more slowly if you still aren't up to speed.

Re:A story in itself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100582)

> I'll go through it again more slowly if you still aren't up to speed.

Yes, please.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Leviance (1001065) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100658)

Another Sony-fanboy posting as an anon. coward. Two things to point out here: 1) There have been reports of PS2 games not functioning correctly on the PS3. Give me a break, I not a poor little whiny rich kid who shelled out his parents money to buy an (under)priced blu-ray player. 2) Next gen developers will go where the consoles have sold. PS2 is now competing against teh 360, PS3, and Wii. Even the Wii's graphics are better than a PS2's. Devs aren't going to keep producing for the console with the smallest install base. Have a nice day Coward.

Re:A story in itself... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100890)

What a fucking piece of shit fanboy.

There are about 20-30 games out of the gigantic Playstation library of games, some 8000-9000, that don't function properly on the PS3. Sony has meticulously gone through every single one of those games and created a database of issues. 99 percent of all Playstions games work absolutely flawless. Games that have issues are the few that used the harddrive and certain third party music type controllers.

And, moron, console games take on average one to two years to get to market. Every single one of those games is well known and for which system they are on. And Sony has an even larger number of first party and third party games in development for the PS3 than they did for the 100+ million selling PS2.

Now get the fuck out of this thread you pathetic little shit.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100952)

First of all, tone down the aggression, its not helping you at all. It makes you look like a child. Second of all, I believe a Sony exec stated near release that the number of games with problems was something along the order of 100-200, although this seemed like a guess to me. Regardless, the figure of 99% is a pretty good one, and they seemed to have fixed a lot of issues with the upscaling as well, which means you're correct. Third of all, do you have a link to this database? You've mentioned it a couple of times, and I'd like to do some searches on my Playstation 2 games to see if there might be any compatibility problems. Its mostly just music games, right?

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Leviance (1001065) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100984)

Pray tell me, what am I a fanboy of? Somebody really should ban this guy's IP. He's trying to create an altercation that really is unnecessary. If anything my initial post was commenting on the longevity and success of the PS2, while noting the failure (thus far) of the PS3 to duplicate or elipse it's predecessor. Obviously Anonymous Coward is so upset that the PS3 isn't selling that his entire world is falling apart, leading him to depend on profanity to make him "one of the cool kids." Calling me a "moron" and a "pathetic little shit" serves no end but to demonstrate your own inadequacy as a person. Why don't you think of some creative insults that actually have some meaning, considering you make a mockery of yourself by challenging my intelligence.

Re:A story in itself... (3, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101064)

There are about 20-30 games out of the gigantic Playstation library of games, some 8000-9000, that don't function properly on the PS3.

Correction: There are 20-30 games (see sibling who disputes this figure) that don't function on the PS3. During the month of January, there was a far higher number of games (easily over 50%) that didn't function properly. To be specific, the PS2 emulation wasn't providing the full graphical quality of the PS2. As a result, the games were looking outright terrible when played on a PS3.

Sony recently fixed this problem with the release of the 1.5 patchset for the PS3.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100228)

Sony is in trouble because the 360 which, as you mentioned, has already been out for a year is still selling more units than the PS3 based on the daily selling rate.

But good for Nintendo. I'm glad the masses are finally recognizing Nintendo produces consoles that are the most fun to play with friends.

Re:A story in itself... (-1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100376)

In spite of that, the Wii is still outselling both. If you're Microsoft, you can always claim that it's because the 360 has been out for a year, and it's total sales are (of course) much higher at this point.

I don't think they really have to say that, though, to make this look like good news. Remember, these are sales in Japan, where xbox bombed and xbox 360 bombed worse, at first anyway. Considering that, and that this is post-holiday, and yes that the 360 has been out for a year, I'd say that's a really good sales number for Microsoft. It looks like their plan to try to make their product appeal to the Japanese market has begun to work. I don't see them as having any real reason to be jealous of Nintendo based on these numbers. Sure their ~8mil lead has been shrunk by ~100k, but that's about the only downside you can claim and it isn't much.

But if you're Sony, that's just got to hurt.

Oh yeah. The 360 beat PS3 on Sony's home turf. That's bad news no matter how you slice it. It puts some sony execs' comments about it being impossible to find units in stores in perspective. If I were them, I'd do anything to try to believe that this was a supply issue. If this is actually indicative of relative demand for their consoles, then they're in bad shape.

On the other hand, that's another 250,000 BluRay players out there. I guess that's the silver lining for them. Still, not good.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100648)

NDP is American and Canadian sales, not Japanese. Or am I missing something?

As far as I know, 360 is still doing pretty terrible in Japan.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100688)

Remember, these are sales in Japan
These are NPD numbers, USA and Canada only.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100712)

Remember, these are sales in Japan, where xbox bombed and xbox 360 bombed worse, at first anyway.
Say what? From the FIRST sentence of the article: "The NPD Group has finally released its data for the month of January, and it was yet another stellar period for the U.S. video game industry. "

This is the US we're talking about. In Japan, I believe the X360 is being outsold by the Dreamcast (kidding, but close). If the X360 would be outselling the PS3 in Japan, Sony might as well just go home.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

miro f (944325) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100792)

how was this modded informative? these are US numbers, not Japanese numbers.

everything is still continuing to outsell the 360 in Japan. (if this continues we might even have multiple winners over different territories for the first time.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Harlockjds (463986) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100464)

I wouldn't call the PS3 'Widely' available, it occasionally see a unit or two in stores in my area but it's not as available as say the 360. (it's prob as available as say the DS which is pretty damn hard to find for a year+ old system)

Re:A story in itself... (1)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101002)

Let me know if you want one. They've got pallets of them at my local Fry's. (Atlanta, GA)

Re:A story in itself... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100592)

So your comment essentially translates to:

Keep in mind all this irrelevant useless data. The result is the Wii is in the lead.


Here's the hard truth: Games sell consoles. Not brands, not power, not fanboys. Games.

There are no compelling games for the PS3 yet, so it is not selling. End of story.

The only "news" on the availability front is that Nintendo can't meet demand after their system has been on the market for three months. It's not news because it means demand is high (that's an acceptable excuse the first month and a half). It's news because it means Nintendo has dropped the ball.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100892)

Strange, all the game store around here have had full shelves of Wii consoles for the past few weeks.

They've also had full shelves of PS3s for the past...month and a half.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100990)

I ask the gamestop around where I live every month or so what the status of Wiis are, and it seems like you still have to be there when they open the boxes where I live. They have had PS3s available in the last month that I know of, but I'm waiting at least until end of 2007 for that purchase... probably until a price drop or two hit.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

dank zappingly (975064) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101044)

I don't know where you live, but just because you see PS3's sitting around doesn't mean they're sitting on store shelves everywhere. I live in New York City and they're very hard to find. The gamestop near me sells out shipments consistently. Maybe they're not selling well in some places, but shortages are still an issue that is slowing sales in some areas.

Re:A story in itself... (1)

Anamanaman (97418) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101076)

Console makers always forget that price is a huge factor for most console gamers. I'm completely stunned that Microsoft hasnt dropped the 360 core down to 200 dollars in order to respark sales. If they don't act fast, they are going to miss a golden opportunity. I know they say they arent competing with Nintendo, but they definately are. Most gamers have a single console and the Wii is an attractive choice right now (even though it should be priced cheaper as well).

figures... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100036)

wiii!

Amazing Sony Sales For January (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100048)

About 300k PS2s and 244k PS3s - just wow. That's almost 550k consoles Sony sold in January alone. Along with the record setting pre-orders in Europe and BluRay winning the HD format war. There has to be a bunch of gloating Sony execs at their headquarters right now.

What is most amazing about these latest sales figures for Sony is all those PS2 buyers library of games will run flawlessly on their PS3s when they upgrade - especially with the massively anticipated God of War 2 for PS2 about to come out. Also with just one major game, Resistance, out for the PS3 the system is selling at a faster rate than the 110 million selling PS2. Incredible.

And 2007 release list for the PS3 look insane:

Virtua Fighter 5
MotorStorm
Lair
Naughty Dog's game that people are going nuts over right now
Heavenly Sword

And then MGS4 and FF later. And PSN is only a few months old and already becoming a major indy platform with games like GripShift and Flow.

Good times!

Re:Amazing Sony Sales For January (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100146)

The PS3's Saturn-like performance in the market continues unabated. I'm sure Sony couldn't be happier!

Re:Amazing Sony Sales For January (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100232)

Uh, anyone with access to actual monthly sales from sites like NPD and MediaCreate can see that the PS3 is outpacing the PS2's first three months of sales...

Maybe the PS3 will continue to do so. Maybe it won't. But so far PS3 sales > PS2 sales.

Re:Amazing Sony Sales For January (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100970)

Not in Japan [vgcharts.org] nor in North America [vgcharts.org] (the PS2 sold 1,299,000 units by the third month in North America)

All I Want for Xmas is a New Marketing Company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100172)

Is this what you do now that alliwantforxmasisapsp is shut down? Seriously, I could pull better "guerilla marketing" out of my ass.

Thank you Sony shill (4, Insightful)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100222)

Are you seriously trying to spin the fact that Sony has fewer units on the market than both the Wii and the 360 and is selling them at a slower pace as a good thing? Are you really lumping in PS2 units with PS3 units to inflate the numbers? Are you actually stating that Naughty Dog's game, the one that has only one screenshot available and no name, is "insane" and "people are going nuts over right now"? I call shill

Re:Thank you Sony shill (1)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100468)

Yeah really. At this rate we might as well lump DS and GBA sales with the Wii. Oh, why not VC sales too? I mean, the games play on virtual consoles! Give me a break. Sony's sales are amazingly stale, if anything. Trying to put a spin on it isn't going to make it not true. Better get your asses in gear, Sony.

Re:Thank you Sony shill (1)

Crash Culligan (227354) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100540)

To be fair, for a while Naughty Dog's website [naughtydog.com] had a streaming video-type trailer of their upcoming game. I don't know if it's there now since I haven't been there lately to look.

It looked a bit like Tomb Raider, except the main character is male, the setting is mundane, and the action scenes look a bit repetetive. Nothing in it really wowed me, so it was insufficient to sell me on a PS3, and Naughty Dog is one of the two companies that would have sold me on it if the price were lower. (The other was Insomniac.)

Re:Amazing Sony Sales For January (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100400)

Is this that subtle british sarcasm stuff?

Re:Amazing Sony Sales For January (1, Funny)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100482)

My only question is whether Sony pays you buy the word or by the hour. In either case - they should get their money back. Your fanboishness is so extreme it makes me like that over-priced behemoth even *less*. Whether I'm referring to the company or the console is your pick.

-stormin

Re:Amazing Sony Sales For January (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100768)

Tell me about it. As if Sony's misdeeds aren't enough, the loud, obnoxious Sony fanboys tend to drive me away from the console more than anything else.

On one hand, I hope that he is a paid shill, because its sad to think that someone is so emotionally invested in a toy. On the other hand, I also hope he isn't, because lets face it, he's pretty incompetent at the whole astroturf thing.

Re:Amazing Sony Sales For January (2, Funny)

BrokenBeta (1007449) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100518)

Score:0, Funny
Ouch.

Re:Amazing Sony Sales For January (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100780)

Once again absolutely nothing is posted to contradict any single thing asserted by these almost daily rituals. Just the usual flaming and moderation bombing.

Someone is playing the Nintendo and Microsoft fans day after day and they keep coming back for more. When are you guys going to get a clue.

Wii Games Need More Selection (4, Insightful)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100066)

I was fortunate enough to get a Wii at launch (hour and a half in line at Costco), but I have become someone disappointed at the selection of games thus far. In my opinion there's too many mini-games (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Rayman, Wario, Mario Party, etc.), and not enough full fledged ones like Zelda. Now I'm not saying the mini-games are horrible (they're excellent for when you have multiple people over), however they are starting to make the Wii feel more like a gimmick.

I picked up Madden over Christmas, and I was quite impressed; in fact it's the first Madden that's impressed me since the 16 bit era (I always liked the NFL 2K/ESPN sports more). I wish more sports titles come out and are able to execute as well. I'm definitely interested in a dedicated tennis/golf game, and I'm a bit concerned that I haven't heard of any coming out. I hope it's not due to the lack of accuracy of the wiimote. The Wii has a ton of potential, I just hope the Wii lives up to it.

Re:Wii Games Need More Selection (1)

uerunner (1046052) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100122)

Tiger Woods is coming out in the next month.

Re:Wii Games Need More Selection (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100706)

Tiger Woods is coming out in the next month.
I'm very happy for him, but to be honest I never would have suspected he was that way inclined.

Re:Wii Games Need More Selection (4, Insightful)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100288)

I agree completely, but buying any console at launch is going to leave you feeling the bite of scarce game variety. When a console has only been out a number of months you can count on one hand, there just hasn't been time for the breadth and depth of software we like to choose from to reach the market.

Right now is a ripe time to pick up a 360 however, I'd imagine that has something to do with the stronger-than-PS3 sales. For many, I'm betting the marginal utility of a PS3 is far smaller than the price. That makes the 360 look pretty tasty to those in the market for a more traditional graphics powerhouse gaming machine.

Things could be looking different give a year or so. As is always, only time will tell.

For now though, I wouldn't want to be Sony.

Re:Wii Games Need More Selection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100320)

I felt a little like this... I want to get a new game this weekend (I already have Zelda, Rayman, super monkey ball, and Sports) but I'm not sure what's good - I've heard mixed things about red steel and think that excite-truck might be a little "iffy"... anyone bought any good games they can recomend

I should say though I'm in the UK so not all the best games are out here (zelda: a link to the past on the VC, I'm looking at you)

Re:Wii Games Need More Selection (1)

Agilus (471376) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101046)

I've enjoyed Elebits, and I've heard good things about Trauma Center. Some people seem to like Excite Truck, but some others don't think there's enough to it (I haven't played it yet). Super Paper Mario is coming out soon, and that should be a good title as well.

Also, if you don't have them already, look into some of the Gamecube games that have been out for a while. You should be able to get them for pretty cheap.

Re:Wii Games Need More Selection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100502)

The Wii is a gimmick! It's the 21st century version of the karaoke machine. The point with it though is that the hardware and (ideally) software are cheap enough that the amusement and gimmickry are well worth the price.
 
That said, there is nothing baring any one from making more traditional or "substantial" narrative games for the console. In fact, with the cheaper development costs, the narrativized games should start flowing like water, as should more experimental games that leverage the controller in interesting ways. Call this the "DS Effect" -- it is exactly the same strategy and it doesn't involve "winning" the console war so much as being a unique product / ecosystem unto itself. This strategy only works though if there is mass appeal. I think a lot of developers have simply been waiting to see if the Wii will be a flop. It clearly isn't.
 
Nintendo has built it, and they will come.

Re:Wii Games Need More Selection (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100954)

I think the mini games are a sign of the amount of time that is being spent exploring the possibilities of the new controller. A lot of game ideas that couldn't have been proven (or not) without a lot of R&D are now obviously feasible or not based on a single mini game.

I also think that most people are ignoring the majority of games for the Wii due to gaming preferences... If you only like sports and zelda then youre missing out on quite a few driving/racing games.

IMHO, when online play starts working and/or when NDS integration happens is when we will really start to see the Wii flourish.

personally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100116)

Rather than "January Game Sales Explode, Wii Dominates", I would have phrased it: "Somebody set up January Game Sales the bomb, All your base are belong to Wii."

The killer stat (3, Interesting)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100118)

"Wii's total software sales reached almost a million units at 977,225, while total PS3 software sales came in at 662, 847."

Sony loses money on each PS/3, in the hopes that they'll make it up with licensing fees from the games they sell.

Nintendo doesn't. AFAIK, they've yet to sell any of their consoles at a loss in an effort to gain marketshare.

So Sony is losing money to Nintendo on the front end (hardware) and the back end (software).

That's gonna hurt...

The real killer stat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100496)

Indeed, but let us now look at how much they lose... I'll base these figures as if everyone was buying in America and getting the system on which they lose the least money (I think that should be fair, although you can take it with a pinch of salt if you like...)

Sony PS3 sales; 662, 847

Loss per PS3; $241 ( source http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746482p1.html [ign.com] )

662,847 * 241 = $159,746,127 loss.

Now thats a real kick in the crotch, not to mention that they spent millions more on R&D and Blu-ray DRM (which has already been cracked)...

Re:The killer stat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100774)

But what you forget is, that Sony boost also the sells of their HD-TVs and Blue-Ray-Movies with the PS3, while Nintendo has only the Wii. You can't see the PS3 alone. You must see the Big Picture behind it.

If i would buy a PS3, i will definitely buy a HD-TV and maybe some Blue-Ray-Movies, BUT i will only buy it if we can get Mythtv(Frontend and MAME) to run smoothly.

Hopefully... (5, Interesting)

KenshoDude (1001993) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100182)

With the Wii's success, one could only hope that developers will start paying more attention to gameplay innovation rather than graphical innovation. I think the success of Nintendo's new console underscores a revolution that has been waiting to take place in the gaming industry: an emphasis on playability and fun over impressive visuals. Now, if we could just combine next-gen visuals with next-gen gameplay -- a gamers' nirvana!

Re:Hopefully... (3, Interesting)

evilbessie (873633) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100964)

I think Nintendo have it right, not everybody has a HDTV just yet, but they do have a TV and the Wii is by all accounts FUN for all the family. So By using old tech comparitively they have developed a system people want. And by not spunking all that money on HD graphics this generation they can spend the time and money developing the console for a Wii 2 with HD graphics in 4 or 5 years time when more people will have the capability to use them to the full potential. Meanwhile the 360 and PS3 spent huge amounts of money developing new tech which will be old tech by the time the HD Wii comes out, saving Nintendo huge amounts of development costs. Plus the format war will either be all over or dual format players will be cheap enough to include these on the next console.

What's that? (1, Interesting)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100256)

The least expensive console sold the most units? WOW!!!

Good news for the rest of us: those expensive consoles are going drop prices quick or be forgotten. Consumers win when things like this get reported.

Re:What's that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100580)

Good news for the rest of us: those expensive consoles are going drop prices quick or be forgotten. Consumers win when things like this get reported.

Yeah, that's why a Mercedes S class will soon be the same price as an Elantra.

Get a clue.

By your logic eMachines should be the desktop of choice and HPs should be overflowing in the landfills.

Re:What's that? (0, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100968)

Yeah, that's why a Mercedes S class will soon be the same price as an Elantra. Get a clue. By your logic eMachines should be the desktop of choice and HPs should be overflowing in the landfills.

The price of both Mercedes and BMW cars have come down, because people can see that the quality is not there (hasn't been since the early eighties at the latest - at least Mercedes was still making winners then) and the Japanese cars are kicking the living shit out of them in every way from comfort to styling to technology. This is the only way either is selling anything any more. Unfortunately for the schmucks who buy them, the only car from either automaker still holding value at all is the BMW 7 series, and it doesn't do very well.

I got in a BMW 3 series way back in the mid-nineties and was absolutely disgusted at the total lack of build quality. A Honda Civic has a higher-quality interior, and I am not making this up. From what I understand things have only gotten worse.

Car analogies are usually very bad ideas.

Re:What's that? (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100626)

Technically the least expensive consoles are the Gamecube and the PS2, both of which sold less than the Wii. There's more to the equation than just price. The games play a very large role.

Here Wii Come (1)

uerunner (1046052) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100394)

If the Wii continues to outsell the XBox 360 by around 150k units per month they will catch up around Christmas 2008. Considering finding a Wii is still extremely hard in some areas (took me over a week to find one online, still haven't seen one in a store) there seems to still be an enormous demand and I wouldn't be surprised to see these two consoles very close after everything plays out.

Numbers Not Really Surprising (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100528)

First off, Microsoft and the Xbox brand continue to flounder. Sales so far are somewhat worse than the first Xbox. Not really surprising - red lights of death/insane failure rate even over year into the console's life, backward compatibility disaster, weak graphics - unless you are still into that tired old bright lights on shiny metal effect. Lots of hyped games that turned out meh. And the company continues to bleed insane amounts of cash just trying to maintain their old Xbox installed base. I think the question for Microsoft is what the hell are you thinking you are accomplishing in the console market. No matter how much cash you have throwing billions away to maintain an Xbox sized niche in the US, forget Asia and European, console market can't possibly be worth the effort. At what point do you throw in the towel and just go concentrate on Vista exclusive games.

Nintendo has to be pleased, but they better have a new console in the pipeline very soon. There are an increasingly large number of Nintendo fans saying the hype has worn off and they have nothing they want to buy coming out for the Wii for months.

Sony is clearly showing why they are the platform of choice for third party developers. 299k consoles in January of 2007 for a console that was released in 2000 is absolutely insane. And Sony has yet to drop the price to 99 dollars. The PS2 has a pretty good chance of reaching 120 million installed base. Along with 244k units for the PS3 which is 100 dollars more than the 360, Sony has got to be very pleased.

So in summary:

Nintendo - short term good, long term a huge question
Sony - short term good, long term very good
Microsoft - what are you still doing in the console market again?

Re:Numbers Not Really Surprising (1, Interesting)

EGSonikku (519478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100698)

So I want to make sure I have this right?

Wii is outselling PS3 almost 4:1
For every 1 PS3 there are almost 10 Xbox 360's

Sony = awesome? /Pre-emptive fanboy defense:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2946/egsonikkuw p3ht8.jpg [imageshack.us]

Re:Numbers Not Really Surprising (3, Insightful)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100820)

Are you basing the 4:1 ratio on some total number? Because based on the NDP numbers its a bit less than 2:1. Of course, doing an assessment based on total sales isn't exactly fair at this point, since PS3 has yet to launch in Europe.

It's a bit too early to call the game altogether. We're talking millions and tens of millions in an industry where the biggest player last round sold over 100 million consoles. We'll start seeing real indications when more exclusive games start comming around.

Re:Numbers Not Really Surprising (1)

EGSonikku (519478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101096)

Was going with nexgenwars.com

Re:Numbers Not Really Surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101008)

Last gen there were 110 million PS2s sold, 22 million GameCubes sold, and 23 million Xbox'es sold. Although the PS2 number looks like it could end up near 115-120 million by the time the system stops being manufactured in a few years.

That is a ~160 million installed base market for console systems.

Right now the Wii has a ~800k lead in Japan. And a ~700k lead in the US. And the record setting pre-orders in Europe for the PS3 which hasn't even launched yet. The Xbox 360 is selling at a worse pace compared to a similar point with the Xbox so it really isn't relevant to the next gen battle.

Waggle, PS2 ports, and the same GameCube franchises and you are bragging about Nintendo's outlook for this console cycle? Things are going to get brutal for Nintendo fans come middle of 2007.

Enjoy your couple months of novelty sales for the Wii. Looking at the 2007 release list for Nintendo, it's going to be a long painful year as they novelty wears thin.

Good luck fanboy!

Re:Numbers Not Really Surprising (1)

EGSonikku (519478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101058)

you obviously did not look at my fanyboy defense.

I own all 3.

Nice try tho.

The most telling number (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18100598)

The most interesting number to me in this report is that the Wii beat out the real 800 pound gorilla, Sony's PS2. While I've been a proponent of not calling off the console race until after the next holiday season, I'm surprised that the Wii is already outselling the PS2. If they keep this up over the next couple of months, I'll be ready to declare the Wii the winner and champion of this round of console sales. Sony has yet to move more PS3s off the shelves than PS2s for a single month. Not even the XBOX 360 has managed to outsell the PS2 on a regular basis despite being out for over a year and having what now amounts to a good catalog of games.

February's numbers should be interesting.

They're dominating even more in Japan (5, Interesting)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100692)

From Kotaku:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/hardware-wars-ds -wii-continue-to-print-yen-237481.php [kotaku.com]

Here are the current hardware sales in the land of the rising sun for the week of February 4th to the 11th.

        * Nintendo DS Lite - 201,177
        * Wii - 78,550
        * PSP - 32,175
        * PLAYSTATION 3 - 23,431
        * PlayStation 2 - 16,033
        * Xbox 360 - 4,811
        * Game Boy Advance SP - 980
        * Game Boy micro - 884


I rather like the comment which noted the following:

Wii Sales > PSP sales + PS3 sales + PS2 sales + 360 sales + GBA sales + Micro sales

DS Sales > Wii Sales + PSP sales + PS3 sales + PS2 sales + 360 sales + GBA sales + Micro sales


Come December... (1)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | more than 7 years ago | (#18100884)

This year will be eventually spun into a bad year for games, because they didn't make x^y billion more, and it will be because of piracy! Damn you no good consumers!
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