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No More GameCube, Wii 2.0 On the Far Horizon

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the from-the-depths-of-my-heart-i-stab-at-thee-nintendo dept.

Wii 153

The little purple machine that could is no longer being manufactured. Hardware revisions are in store for the Nintendo Wii eventually. These announcements aren't terribly shocking, but they're still interesting admissions from Perin Kaplan, Vice President of Marketing & Corporate Affairs for Nintendo of America. GameDaily has the interview, which also discusses Wii sales, the lull in games, new IPs, and some details on plans online. Don't worry, you won't have to buy a new Wii anytime soon. Kaplan is immediately talking about the planned Japanese version with DVD Playback capability, but does say 'Sure, absolutely' to the question of whether we'll eventually see hardware changes on the order of the DS/DS Lite.

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Wii 2.0 will need a new name (5, Funny)

Gerocrack (979018) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113398)

How about "Vagoo"?

Re:Wii 2.0 will need a new name (1)

owyn999 (856162) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114234)

If only I had a mod point... LICD FTW

Re:Wii 2.0 will need a new name (4, Funny)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114366)

"Wiiwoaded"?

Re:Wii 2.0 will need a new name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114688)

Wii-todded?

Re:Wii 2.0 will need a new name (1)

TitusC3v5 (608284) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115502)

I was thinking of something along the lines of "Wii-wii" myself...

Re:Wii 2.0 will need a new name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114748)

I like "wii ii" or just "wiiii".

Re:Wii 2.0 will need a new name (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115000)

VAGiNA [penny-arcade.com] ?

nice (-1, Troll)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113448)

Maybe they'll include HDMI output, like microsoft is doing for this year's revision of the X360. [engadget.com]

Re:nice (0)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113888)

Maybe they'll include HDMI output, like microsoft is doing for this year's revision of the X360.

That would actually make sence from Nintendo's 'Keep it simple' philosophy. A Single cable for video and sound as well as auto enable progressive scan (as I have yet to see a SDTV support HDMI).

Re:nice (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114032)

Maybe they'll include HDMI output

I don't think they need a new hardware revision for that. The Wii (like the early Gamecubes) uses a custom cable connector. That connector sends the data in its own format that can then be translated into Composite or Component. (Depending on which "cables" you use.) I imagine that an HDMI "cable" for the existing hardware is not out of the question. Just not very useful at the moment.

Re:nice (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115842)

If it's setup like the 360, then it would need a hardware revision. The 360 uses a custom cable connector but as of now can only support analog output. I would imagine the Wii is likely the same.

Wait a minute... (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113478)

I would be happy if the Wii was available in the stores.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

jonfromspace (179394) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114720)

I hear ya! I finally got mine this afternoon... after waiting for two hours at an EB Games in Calgary.

For those in the Calgary who are Wii hunting, redflagdeals.com has a very usefull thread tracking Wii deliveries. clicky [redflagdeals.com]

Where's My Zapper??!!! (4, Insightful)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113502)

I'm anxiously waiting for my Wii Zapper [wikipedia.org] . I think that will bring a whole new level of fun to muliplayer shooters. Before worrying about Wii 2.0, they need to get the zapper out and relase a new bond title for the Wii.

Re:Where's My Zapper??!!! (1)

st3v (805783) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114158)

Hopefully the next Zapper looks like this. [freepatriot.com]

I think it might be a little overkill for Duck Hunt, though.

Re:Where's My Zapper??!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114578)

Unless somebody wrestles the Bond license away from EA and lets the original team from Rare that worked on GoldenEye do the new Bond, I don't think there should *ever* be a new Bond title for any platform.

Re:Where's My Zapper??!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18116414)

Welcome to reality, where Goldeneye was a mediocre game at best, and Everything Or Nothing is the best Bond game to date.

Re:Where's My Zapper??!!! (0, Offtopic)

cmowire (254489) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115432)

The Wii Zapper is almost enough to make me want to pick it up when it's on sale a few years from now for $69.

Till then, I'll stick with having no consoles whatsoever.

Re:Where's My Zapper??!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18116178)

Why? What's so different about their gun handle and using the regular wiimote w/o controlling the joystick. It seems redundant to me.

Wii-tf (3, Insightful)

JoshJ (1009085) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113508)

New hardware? Gah. The abominable hardware upgrade tactics they used on the game boy (2-3 versions of each!) really shouldn't be taken to the console market.

Re:Wii-tf (5, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113574)

New hardware? Gah. The abominable hardware upgrade tactics they used on the game boy (2-3 versions of each!) really shouldn't be taken to the console market.

What tactics? They brought out hardware, saw what people liked and what they didn't like, and brought out new software. This continued over time. GB was a winner, but they eventually made it smaller, and we got pocket. 100% compatibility. GB Color had a flat design so GBA got one. Both units have incredible back-compatibility. People bitched about the screen being exposed, so they made a flip unit. Then they made the DS, it was still flip. Then later they did a shrink of the DS and we got a DS Lite. And still, backwards compatible.

In other words, what we got was a sort of hardware version of release early, release often. And at no time did anyone from Nintendo come to your head and hold a gun to your head and force you to buy it, nor did they ever invalidate your software library. The game I play most often on my GBA SP is Tetris... the cart that I used to stick into my original paperback-book-sized Game Boy.

Who cares if they bring out new consoles with new functionality? No one made you buy a Wii. I still don't have one - of course, many people have trouble just finding them, but I haven't actually even tried because I like to wait and see what games are coming out before I buy anything and there's not a lot available right now.

Re:Wii-tf (-1, Troll)

JoshJ (1009085) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113718)

The game boy pocket was quite a few years after the original game boy, so I'll pass on that. However, people who got it had no idea there was a GB Color upcoming.
People who got a GB Advance had no idea Nintendo would release a version that not only was rechargeable but had a light in less than two years.
DS, late 2004. People had no idea that they would make a version with better brightness in early 2006.

So basically, people are getting screwed over because Nintendo releases a better version in less than 2 years, and they have no way to anticipate it. I'm a bit pissed that I had no way of knowing Nintendo would release a better Wii in a couple years instead of the usual 5 or so for consoles, and not only that, we're not even being told what new features it's going to have.

Nintendo should be telling us this stuff to start with, and letting the consumer make an informed decision.

Re:Wii-tf (4, Insightful)

Umbrel (1040414) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113788)

You are pissed because they improve the hardware every 2 years instead of say 5? >_>

Re:Wii-tf (1)

Oirad (19452) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113792)

Dear lord.

Would you like some cheese with your whine?

Re:Wii-tf (2, Insightful)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113828)

I don't think people are getting screwed with a minor update every 2 years. I had a Game Boy advance and a first edition of the DS (still) and I have no need to upgrade either of them. As long as I don't need to upgrade and most of the revisions are minor so what.

Now if they release an updated platform every 3-6 months then it is a different story

Re:Wii-tf (1)

JoshJ (1009085) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113906)

I wouldn't call the GB Color over the GB Pocket minor. I wouldn't call a properly-lit screen (SP) over the GBA's terrible screen "minor"- portablemonopoly existed for a reason. They're not even telling us what Wii 2 is going to have as an update- if it's simply HDTV support, that's tolerable (for me at least). If it's something that drastically improves the Wii- something on par with the color graphics or the SP light- then Nintendo can fuck off for screwing over everyone that bought one this year. They could at least have had the decency to say "we're considering changing the wii hardware" ahead of time so people could make an informed decision rather than get pwned after spending approx $400 on the system, controllers, and games.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114052)

Do you get pissed at the restaurant when your friend's meal looks tastier than yours?

Re:Wii-tf (5, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114102)

They could at least have had the decency to say "we're considering changing the wii hardware" ahead of time so people could make an informed decision rather than get pwned after spending approx $400 on the system, controllers, and games.

If they do that, then less people buy the system up front, the developers defect to other platforms, and the platform fails.

They are treating consumers the way they want to be treated. Consumers demonstrate the way they want to be treated by spending money (or failing to) in response to stimulus.

In particular the Dreamcast debacle really proves that words can kill. Of course, those words didn't harm Sony, even though they were provably fraudulent and uttered by a Sony Exec.

The simple fact is that revisions are the norm, not the exception. There's three versions of Atari 2600 (VCS, 2600, 2600 revision 2, the slim one) that I recall. There's two NESes. There's two SNESes. There's two Genesis systems, and even two Sega CD addons. Two Playstations. Two PS2s. Two fucking colecovision systems. Two TurboGrafx16 systems, not counting TurboXpress, and two different TurboCD addons. Really, anyone who doesn't expect a system to be redesigned should have their head examined.

Re:Wii-tf (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18115060)

Not to be pedantic, but there were actually four sega genesis systems :P

http://www.computercloset.org/SegaGenesis1.jpg [computercloset.org]
http://akamai.edeal.com/images/catalog3091/folder2 0963/img2422571.jpg [edeal.com]
http://www.emulationgalaxy.co.yu/images/systems/MD 2_Genesis3.jpg [emulationgalaxy.co.yu]
http://di1.shopping.com/images/di/47/74/30/3339453 66e5f6349324f7a4b50395932735241-150x188-0-0.jpg [shopping.com]

(ok ok, that last one is not a console exactly, as it doesn't come with the ability to swap carts, but it does use the exact same chip as the 3rd real console, same manufacturer even - you can rewire it to accept controllers and games!)

The first genesis lacked some of the output options that the second one had. So this is nothing new!

Re:Wii-tf (1)

owyn999 (856162) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114134)

Whoa whoa whoa there joshie, what you are going on about here is a bit over board here, first 400$ on the system would be bloody rediculous and if you did so then you deserve this shock.

Next so what if nintendo releases something that does a little bit more, note A LITTLE BIT, you bought a 250$ system that came with a game SANS the classic nintendo systems, what does this mean, you pretty much paid 200$ for the system, great, so they add in a DVD/HD DVD/BluRay PLAYER and an HDMI out on it and drop it for 300$ with no game, guess what, they can do that... it's called an upgrade for a reason, they aren't releasing a NEXT GEN system in 2-3 years, they are releasing another revision of the system, that your CONTROLLERS AND GAMES will still work on, so that they can add in a few features that may have prevented a few people from buying it in the first place, but to me it seems like you aren't going to be satisfied no matter what nintendo does.

What I would be more pissed at is that in the 5 year cycle of the other systems, that you just paid 500-600$ for that you are only getting 5 years out of them, consider that in 2-3 years Nintendo is going to release a slight upgrade, that means that you have paid 100$ a year for a system that added a completely new interface, where as the other systems seem to be charging you 500-600$ for the same thing revised with prettier graphics.

Re:Wii-tf (2, Insightful)

Splunge (88538) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114532)

Dude, have you ever bought a computer?

It's not hard to figure out that if you wait 6 months, you can get a better computer at the same price from Dell/Apple/HP. People don't go whining nearly as much about that and computers can cost up to $3,000.

Meanwhile, you're slagging Nintendo for upgrading their $200 or less hardware every 2 years?

Re:Wii-tf (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114670)

They could at least have had the decency to say "we're considering changing the wii hardware" ahead of time so people could make an informed decision rather than get pwned after spending approx $400 on the system, controllers, and games.

You do realize every single one of those games and controllers will work with the future version. So at most you might have to rebuy the $250 base console, which by the time the new version is out could cost $200 or less.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

jdigriz (676802) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115324)

Didn't you hear? Corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to pwn consumers.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

bnenning (58349) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115506)

Yeah, I hate it when corporations release improved products. Those bastards.

Re:Wii-tf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18116888)

"They could at least have had the decency to say "we're considering changing the wii hardware" ahead of time so people could make an informed decision rather than get pwned after spending approx $400 on the system, controllers, and games."

Seems to me, they just did. Already. Now. You have been warned.

So shut up.

$400 on the system, controllers, and games? The freakin console base is $250, $40 for an extra controller...what did you do, buy 2 games so far? Do you even own a Wii? Do you realize you could probably sell your Wii USED now on ebay and get that full price back? Better hurry up.

Oh, but you'll be playing and using it, won't you, and STILL BITCH about it.

Oh, and CNBC had a report in *December* about the Wii likely coming out with the DVD version late next year (which would be this year). I don't even check gaming sites but if CNBC got wind of this, the forums knew about it by then too. So again, Nintendo did warn you. 2 months before you heard about it on /. and bought it for Christmas. Meaning, you didn't even bother to check elsewhere; the DVD movie playback version has been known for a couple months now at the very least publicly.

btw, software easily outweighs the cost of hardware upgrades. You're spending $30-40 at least usually for a Wii game. On the DS, it's probably $20-35. I buy a game a month. I MUCH prefer Nintendo's handling of their hardware, and it works. Even though I bought a DS Lite, I still have found reason to buy GBA games, esp. since I finally got around to checking out the Final Fantasy series, and I'm damn pleased I can buy GBA games, as I believe only FF3 (or is it 4? I forget now) is DS specific.

Hell, even Sony and MS knows this; the only reason I'm looking at PS3 is because I want PS2 games, and upgrade path, and I generally dislike the Xbox (both for being an MS product as well as how they've handled themselves in the console region, although Sony ups them presently). I figure a PS2 slim is $130 or so, which makes a PS3 more like $370 in my mind.

Like Sega Genesis upgrades? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114544)

I don't think people are getting screwed with a minor update every 2 years.
Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Sega 32X, Sega Saturn?

Now if they release an updated platform every 3-6 months then it is a different story
Isn't that what Sony is doing with its PSP?

Re:Like Sega Genesis upgrades? (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115482)

You don't need a DS Lite to play any DS games.

Re:Like Sega Genesis upgrades? (1)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116136)

Sega CD and Sega 32x where Add-Ons so they are a different scenario. And If remember they never really caught on.

Whiny! (1)

H8X55 (650339) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113864)

we're not even being told what new features it's going to have.

Settle down - that means you've still got a while to wait.

But it's not like they "tricked" you.
Any early adopter to any platform of anything has got to realize that there will be later, greater versions that come out, for even less money. You buy the console now, because you want it now. Not because they promise to stop innovating for your specified amount of time.

Re:Whiny! (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115282)

Any early adopter to any platform of anything has got to realize that there will be later, greater versions that come out, for even less money. You buy the console now, because you want it now. Not because they promise to stop innovating for your specified amount of time.


Yes ... but traditionally console early adopters have had to deal with possible bugs in the hardware (early 360s bricking for instance), not early obsolescence of the hardware (which has traditionally lasted about 5 years... ~7-10 if you look at the PS line).

Re:Whiny! (1)

H8X55 (650339) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116780)

So - I bought a network adapter for my gen 1 PS2. Not too long after i got the adapter they released the slim line ps2 for less, with built in adapter. Did I feel screwed? No way. I got to play online before any of those other folks did.

Re:Whiny! (1)

corky842 (728932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116824)

How is adding more features making the old hardware obsolete?
What if Microsoft suddenly decided to improve the Xbox 360 with a larger hard drive and a quieter DVD drive?
And don't forget about those jerks at Apple, with their ipods. I mean, you buy one, and then a few months later they come out with a better screen or bigger hard drive.

Re:Wii-tf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18113908)

Here's a tip: Technology gets better constantly. It will only be a short period of time before what's current is no longer so.

There. Now you have no excuse for ever being pissed again.

Re:Wii-tf (5, Insightful)

Soygen (911358) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113978)

If you always waited for the best version of everything, you would never own anything. That's the price of early adoption.

Re:Wii-tf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18116270)

Or you'd just keep playing River City Ransom.

Re:Wii-tf (2, Funny)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114004)

People who got a GB Advance had no idea Nintendo would release a version that not only was rechargeable but had a light in less than two years. DS, late 2004. People had no idea that they would make a version with better brightness in early 2006.

So basically, people are getting screwed over because Nintendo releases a better version in less than 2 years, and they have no way to anticipate it.

Thank GOD I read this post. Otherwise I would have been completely off guard with no means of anticipating any further hardware revisions despite (as you said) they have a habit of releasing new hardware in less than 2 years. I wonder when the next one will hit?

Re:Wii-tf (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18115048)

Probably within two years. Glad I could help.

Re:Wii-tf or when is Wii 2.0? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116524)

Thank GOD I read this post. Otherwise I would have been completely off guard with no means of anticipating any further hardware revisions despite (as you said) they have a habit of releasing new hardware in less than 2 years. I wonder when the next one will hit?

Well, the US won't go to HDTV until 2009, so if I was a marketer or planning person (which I used to be), I would aim for 2009 December release for the next Wii major upgrade - and include HDMI as well as some cool peripherals the after-market had glommed onto.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

Hes Nikke (237581) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114026)

Nintendo should be telling us this stuff to start with, and letting the consumer make an informed decision.


someone needs to read their history [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Wii-tf (3, Insightful)

Skreems (598317) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114056)

Basically it sounds like you're angry that you aren't selective enough about what you're willing to pay money for, and it has nothing to do with Nintendo.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114238)

Really, if you criticize the "Game Boy" for having too many revisions, you're really only criticizing it's popularity as a platform over the years. As it has been stated before, every revision and new product (discounting the Micro, which was never planned to replace the GBA SP...merely be an alternate version to appeal to the trendy crowd) has been due to consumer demand. I'm sure making more money has something to do with it, but even the new DS Lite was put out 1) Because consumers complained the LCD screen wasn't as good as the PSP's screen and 2) It looked like a cross between a UFO and a Fisher Price toy and 3) Because Nintendo had a hit on their hands and decided that they would put out the product revision before the system hit critical mass. Nintendo could have kept peddling the old DS only to release the DS Lite a year or two down the road to make even more money and maximize "double purchases" if they had wanted to. I'm pretty sure Nintendo didn't plan on releasing the new version of the DS in a little over 2 years after release from the start, but what would you do if your competitor released a system with a better screen and a sleeker look, even if you were clearly in the lead?

I mean, come on, if you're holding out for the ultimate "Game Boy" experience, wait 20 years for the 10 screen, surround sound version. We all know that...

Re:Wii-tf (5, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114384)

I'm a bit pissed that I had no way of knowing Nintendo would release a better Wii in a couple years instead of the usual 5 or so for consoles, and not only that, we're not even being told what new features it's going to have.

Um, are you completely ignoring that the usual 5 years between consoles is for completely new consoles, like PS1 -> PS2 or N64 -> Gamecube, right? DS -> DS Lite is nothing like that, because it's the same platform. Any game that plays on the DS Lite also plays on the DS just as well. Games are no different for the GBA SP than the GBA.

The only thing in your list that is even comparable to a new console release is the Game Boy Color, because games were written differently to take advantage of it. Of course people were complaining that the gameboy platform hadn't changed in about a decade, and it's true it was overdue for some change. A lot of people welcomed it, but apparently some people don't like progress.

I mean each of these minor revisions fixed problems with the previous one. Why is that "screwing" you, again? Because Nintendo should have had the better screens and the smaller form-factors to begin with? As if they strategically held back these advances to "force" you to upgrade again... In reality, they did it because at the time they launched the consoles, that was what they could afford to have. Releasing the "better" version of the console two years earlier would have meant that it cost much more, and then I'm certain you would be bitching about that.

Actually, that's a good question... Do you bitch about price drops in consoles, because you got "screwed over" when they didn't tell you in advance that they'd be dropping the price on such and such day by such and such amount? Or do you instead take the approach that the console was worth what you paid for it when you got it? In which case, why is that not true with your DS/GBA/Wii? Your console didn't get worse when the newer version came out.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114662)

Or do you instead take the approach that the console was worth what you paid for it when you got it? In which case, why is that not true with your DS/GBA/Wii? Your console didn't get worse when the newer version came out.
Unless the new games don't correct for the problems with the old system. Racetrack too dark on the original GBA? Tough shit; use a GBA SP or a Game Boy Player.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114462)

The game boy pocket was quite a few years after the original game boy, so I'll pass on that. However, people who got it had no idea there was a GB Color upcoming. People who got a GB Advance had no idea Nintendo would release a version that not only was rechargeable but had a light in less than two years. DS, late 2004. People had no idea that they would make a version with better brightness in early 2006.
When they release upgraded systems they make them compatible with the original system, so you're still able to play all the new games with your old silver DS as you could if you bought a pretty black DS lite. If your old silver DS is really that bad, then why did you buy it in the first place? When you got it you knew you'd be able to play new games on it for several years, and you're still able to play new games on it. The same goes for the GB Pocket, GBA SP, GBA Micro, and possibly a new Wii. What's the problem? Are you jealous that people have a spiffier looking DS than you? You got to play it two years before them. I don't understand the issue. As long as Nintendo keeps making games for the consoles I have I don't mind.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114750)

You make it sound like people are SHOCKED to see nintendo releasing incremental updates to their hardware. The fact is that nintendo has been doing this for a long time. It has been mostly in the gameboy line, and I expect a few more revisions of the DS as well, but the N64 got colours, and they released the top loading nes and the new version of the SNES as well.
It's not like you have to buy every version that comes out. You can buy a Wii now, and when Wii 1.5 comes out, you can upgrade if it's worth the money, or not, historically the hardware upgrades have not lead to incompatible games - so you're not going to be forced to upgrade to run the newer games.

Would you like this Nintendo press release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114882)

Nintendo has no plans to leave the video game business at this time, so there will be either a new version of the Nintendo Wii or a new console designed to replace the Wii at some point in the future. The new Wii or the Wii replacement, code-named Armed Insurrection, will have some new features. We will announce those features closer to the release date.

Oh, and film at 11.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

Lightwarrior (73124) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113950)

Minor correction: certain hardware revisions lack backwards compatibility. Namely, the DS can't play GB or GB Color games - only DS and GBA.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114164)

Yeah, my bad. Is there a flash cart + emulator solution for that? I don't even know where to look for that kind of stuff anymore since the evil bastards at Sony summoned Satan all over Lik-Sang.

Goomba Color (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114824)

Is there a flash cart + emulator solution for [GBC games on GBA platform]?

Yes, you can emulate single-player Game Boy games on a Game Boy Advance or on a Nintendo DS in GBA mode using the Goomba Color [pocketheaven.com] emulator.

I don't even know where to look for that kind of stuff anymore since the evil bastards at Sony summoned Satan all over Lik-Sang.

Froogle perhaps [google.com] ? What about gbadev.org's list of retailers [gbadev.org] ?

Re:Wii-tf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114112)

The game I play most often on my GBA SP is Tetris... the cart that I used to stick into my original paperback-book-sized Game Boy.

It's a good thing you didn't buy the next GBA system, since the Micro is not backwards compatible with GB or GBC games.

So much for your argument.

Re:Wii-tf (1)

Jonavin (71006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115588)

With all the great games out there for the DS/DSL, I still can't put down Tetris DS. Too addictive playing online.

Call me crazy, but I think they need a version of Tetris for the Wii :)

Re:Wii-tf (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113760)

As long as it doesn't break compatibility why would it matter?

I suspect Nintendo will be changing the system dramatically to lower-cost (65nm process in 2007, 45nm process in 2008), minor upgrades (2/4 GB built in flash), and make it more pleasant looking.

Re:Wii-tf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18113766)

You were never forced to upgrade though. All the GBA games worked on every version of the GBA hardware. The same applies to the DS and DS Lite.

Good. (1)

Boogaroo (604901) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113692)

I would love to get DVD playback and I'd buy. I'd send my old Wii to my brother as a Bday gift or something. As long as a game doesn't REQUIRE you to get one of the new Wii versions, then I'll be fine with it.

Fine Line For Nintendo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18113764)

The recent stories, including right here on Slashdot, make it pretty clear that a good deal of the initial hype about the Wii is going away. Too many Wii owners are talking about being bored with the console or talking about how they are playing other consoles after they finished Zelda and grew bored with Wii Sports.

Looking at the Wii list of games for 2007 to early 2008 it is looking all too similar to the GameCube lineup. Maybe there are some major third party games that have yet to be announced, but right now I can't think of any major non-Nintendo game to really look forward to in 2007.

With 1080p TV prices in freefall, most likely with sub 1000 dollar sets by the middle of this year, Nintendo really needs to have something ready in the next couple of years because the Wii and HD TVs do not go well together.

Nintendo needs to walk a fine line of not Osbourning the current Wii while getting developers ready to start making games for a new system. Which usually starts to happen over a year in advance of the hardware hitting the shelves.

Re:Fine Line For Nintendo (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114042)

The recent stories, including right here on Slashdot, make it pretty clear that a good deal of the initial hype about the Wii is going away. Too many Wii owners are talking about being bored with the console or talking about how they are playing other consoles after they finished Zelda and grew bored with Wii Sports.


Well, at least the Wii had initial hype ... The PS3 is DOA

Looking at the Wii list of games for 2007 to early 2008 it is looking all too similar to the GameCube lineup. Maybe there are some major third party games that have yet to be announced, but right now I can't think of any major non-Nintendo game to really look forward to in 2007.


Actually the line-up reminds me of the Nintendo DS which is the fastest selling console in history, and is still constantly sold out 2 years after it was released

With 1080p TV prices in freefall, most likely with sub 1000 dollar sets by the middle of this year, Nintendo really needs to have something ready in the next couple of years because the Wii and HD TVs do not go well together.


Being that most people who own 1080p sets still watch DVDs and are not rushing out to buy HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players I think the Wii will be fine ...

Nintendo needs to walk a fine line of not Osbourning the current Wii while getting developers ready to start making games for a new system. Which usually starts to happen over a year in advance of the hardware hitting the shelves.


Well, I actually think it is the PS3 that is in trouble being that it is selling as badly as the Dreamcast in both Japan [vgcharts.org] and North America [vgcharts.org]

Enjoy your $600 soon to be dead system

Re:Fine Line For Nintendo (4, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114092)

If the Wii lineup reminds you of the DS launch lineup, then you are looking at the DS launch through the cloud of nostalgia. There was absolutely nothing to play except for a barely playable port of Mario 64. I thought I had wasted my money for over a YEAR.

The Wii launch lineup is far better than the DS, or the PS2 for that matter... anyone who disagrees can have my copy of Fantavision.

You're obviously not a puzzle game fan (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114766)

There was absolutely nothing to play except for a barely playable port of Mario 64. I thought I had wasted my money for over a YEAR.

You didn't like matching the panels. I did. I knew I would like it because I liked Tetris Attack.

The Wii launch lineup is far better than the DS, or the PS2 for that matter... anyone who disagrees can have my copy of Fantavision.

<sarcasm>You mean the Apple IIGS precursor to Flash [wikipedia.org] ?</sarcasm> Still, you didn't like matching the fireworks. I did.

Point: I agree that it takes a while for any console to build up a variety of titles that everyone can relate to. This is as true for Wii as it is for any other system. I myself am waiting for Animal Crossing Thwii because I beat the GameCube version yesterday.

Re:You're obviously not a puzzle game fan (1)

damiangerous (218679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114884)

I myself am waiting for Animal Crossing Thwii because I beat the GameCube version yesterday.

How do you "beat" Animal Crossing?

Re: Beating Animal Crossing... (4, Funny)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115304)

I myself am waiting for Animal Crossing Thwii because I beat the GameCube version yesterday.

How do you "beat" Animal Crossing?

You build the biggest house possible, buy at least 1 of every item including all NES games, and owe nothing. At that point the only thing Tom Nook can sell you is time with his wife effectively making Tom your bitch for a change.

What is a side quest? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115532)

You build the biggest house possible, buy at least 1 of every item including all NES games, and owe nothing.
The biggest house and owe nothing part is easy and can be accomplished in 60 days. But isn't filling the catalog a side quest? The dialogue in the first hour of ACPG makes it clear that paying off your house (1,413,600 Bells) and getting the statue is at least part of the game's main mission but does not mention any other missions comparable to beating Sephiroth in FF7. (Ignore Uncyclopedia.) Besides, a lot of items just aren't available in your town. In fact, there are four NES games that neither Nook nor Redd will sell.

Re:What is a side quest? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115864)

In fact, there are four NES games that neither Nook nor Redd will sell.

Then you STEAL THEM! Anyway, I was joking. I have no idea how you would beat Animal Crossing. I figure it's kinda like Nintendogs (another game I don't own) where it really is a big sandbox game with no real point of closure. You just play to play.

Beating Animal Crossing (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115396)

How do you "beat" Animal Crossing?
To beat Animal Crossing Population Growing, plant trees, sell the fruit, and pay Tom Nook 1,413,600 bells through the post office. (This can be done within 60 game days.) Then talk to K.K. the following Saturday night in front of the big golden statue of your character. Or is paying off one's house + expansions just the first mission? What specific missions remain?

Re:You're obviously not a puzzle game fan (1)

timster (32400) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115516)

Oh, I love puzzle games; that's why I bought Fantavision. I tried really hard to like it, too. But there wasn't much game there. Too much of the gameplay was a matter of aiming the cursor quickly with the analog stick... heck, it might be a fun game on the Wii. I can still whip out a version of Tetris and be amused for a while, but I doubt that anyone in the whole wide world played any Fantavision last week.

In fact, it was Meteos which made me feel like the DS might have something going for it after all.

Three things they forgot to ask (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115572)

I myself am waiting for Animal Crossing Thwii because I beat the GameCube version yesterday.

I too am waiting for a Mii-enabled Animal Crossing Three that uses Wii Sims houses.

But, this makes me realize they forgot to ask some things.

[from the article] how will Nintendo's online plans evolve?

PK: Some of that friend code stuff is really built for the mass consumer, not just the gaming world. The Wii has tons of different offerings and a lot of it was brand new. The remote, brand new. The way in which it interfaces with the screen, brand new. The channel concept, brand new. And I think if we launched it and plunked it down and said to the absolutely uninitiated, "Here's 18 things it can do," I can guarantee you it would stay in the box. It's just too intimidating. So we really strategically wanted to roll out having nearly a year talking about the remote and getting people ready, why it's unique, because it is the Einstein of the system.

And then talking about the different things the box can do and then entering with the Virtual Console piece of it and the Wii Shop channel, introducing the channels one a time--the Mii channel has taken off and people really love that. Then ultimately we did weather, news and there's a lot more to come, but we're kind of rolling it out in a fashion that is consumable for people who are not highly experienced--and also giving you guys a chance to really explore it. And online stuff has come in the Pokemon game that has launched in Japan, and it definitely will come here and I think people will be very pleased with it. But I also think we've seen other companies launch with the entire menu of stuff, and I don't think all of it gets utilized at the start.


To me, that says that Mii-enabling many games is a prime area.

So, the three things they should have asked:

1. What will your 2009/2010 Wii 2.0 for HDTV have for chips and strength?

2. Will your Wii 2.0 be HD-DVD or will you region-lock it by choosing Sony's Blu-Ray format?

3. Can we have a Hamster dance-off game? And will there be a sequel to Duck Hunt for the Wii, involving small miniature dogs?

Dog Hunt (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116058)

I too am waiting for a Mii-enabled Animal Crossing Three
I thought Mii clothing could be only one color. Even ACPG allowed up to 15 colors in a 32x32 pixel texture for clothing. I wonder how Nintendo plans to reconcile these, and how it plans to reconcile charging for haircuts in ACWW with the predefined haircuts of Mii Channel.

that uses Wii Sims houses.
If you want The Sims Thwii, you know where to find it.

And will there be a sequel to Duck Hunt for the Wii
Wii Play.

involving small miniature dogs?
Can't say. I tried Dog Hunt [i-mockery.com] in Internet Channel, but it was too laggy.

Re:Dog Hunt, Mii in Wii games (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116472)

I thought Mii clothing could be only one color. Even ACPG allowed up to 15 colors in a 32x32 pixel texture for clothing. I wonder how Nintendo plans to reconcile these, and how it plans to reconcile charging for haircuts in ACWW with the predefined haircuts of Mii Channel.

I think as I read the plans, it sounds like you can Import your Mii into Animal Crossing for the Wii and Sims for the Wii (which I will call Wii Animal Crossing and Wii Sims) - once they are imported, you can modify their clothing (using player-designed patterns and clothing you received as gifts) and hair cuts etc. Expect a limited pallete in Wii Animal Crossing for face structure and hair - much more Mii in feel - but a wider pallete for Wii Sims for face, hair, and body, since that's a big deal in that. I did notice the Wii Sims seemed to all have similar bodies though, it was very much more Wii Animal Crossing in feel, so I'm not sure how much variation you get.

My question: can you import your Wii Animal Crossing neighbors into Wii Sims as Pets and can you export your Wii Sims Pets into Wii Animal Crossing as animal neighbors? That would be cool.

Goofy vs. Pluto (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116982)

My question: can you import your Wii Animal Crossing neighbors into Wii Sims as Pets and can you export your Wii Sims Pets into Wii Animal Crossing as animal neighbors?
That would break the Goofy-Pluto dichotomy [metafilter.com] of a lot of furry universes. In the Disney universe, Minnie Mouse is afraid of mice, even though she is drawn with mouselike facial features. Likewise, in the AC universe, there exist both birds that act like IRL birds (which appear on various days) and birds that act like IRL people (e.g. Apollo, Amelia, Robin, Otis, Hank, Rhoda, Ava).

DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 (5, Insightful)

ernest.cunningham (972490) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113804)

I have read elsewhere rumblings that the complete hardware setup in the Wii is ready to support DVD playback but Nintendo are waiting on software from a third party that is being developed to enable such a feature. Muck like the Wii browser being developed by Opera. I think this is more rumor than fact at this stage.

I am sure any Wii 2.0 will be much like the Playstation2/Plastation 2 Slim, or the Playstation/PS One type of upgrade. You know, CPU and GPU manufactured with a 60nm of 45nm technolgy resulting in lower power consumption and lower heat dissipation resulting in smaller headt sinks etc. I doubt the feature spec will be much, if at all different.

Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113924)

I have read elsewhere rumblings that the complete hardware setup in the Wii is ready to support DVD playback

Duh? The Wii has a DVD drive. It can read DVDs. It can also play movies (which you can do right now if you load them up in the right format on an SD card). Thus I would say it's pretty obvious that everything is in place to be able to play DVDs. I'd guess the only thing missing is MPEG2 decoder software and a nice interface. The former requires licensing fees that could increase the price of the Wii (see the original Xbox with its special dongle to enable DVD playback since Microsoft didn't want to roll the cost of licensing into the base price). The latter just requires time, whether that's from a third-party building the software or from Nintendo doing it in-house.

That the Wii will eventually get DVD playback is a no-brainer, and there's no reason why you should have to buy a new Wii to do so (though who knows what Nintendo will do?).

Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18113996)

I have read elsewhere rumblings that the complete hardware setup in the Wii is ready to support DVD playback but Nintendo are waiting on software from a third party that is being developed to enable such a feature.

The drive is basically a DVD drive with custom firmware that reads disks encoded at Constant Angular Velocity rather than Constant Linear Velocity. (Basically, the disc always spins at the same speed in the Wii/Gamecube while regular DVDs slow down as the laser approaches the edge of the disc.) A simple firmware update would probably "fix" the drive to be able to read both types of discs. Unfortunately, drives that aren't rated for movie use are more likely to burn out early. (Something that happened to a lot of PS2s.) So Nintendo will probably release a different console with a sturdier drive. Something for which they'll pass the cost along to the consumer.

Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 (1)

tjansen (2845) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114876)

So Nintendo will probably release a different console with a sturdier drive.

And hdmi output PLEASE.... I certainly won't buy another console with that component mess. The PS2 looks bad enough..

Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115368)

And hdmi output PLEASE.... I certainly won't buy another console with that component mess. The PS2 looks bad enough..

Wii through (first party) component looks great. Just FYI...

Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 (1)

greed (112493) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116062)

You're noticing a dramatic difference between HDMI and component on your system? You're component input has problems; I've got a Panasonic Viera 32" LCD and there's no visible difference between HDMI and component, except that component is _MUCH_ faster to switch sources with. (And component never blanks out the video on the PS3 or drops the audio on the satellite PVR.) Mind you, that's basically a 720p native screen, I don't have anything that'll display 1080p.

HDMI is much more convenient than component, but like a good-quality VGA set compared to a DVI set; well, digital isn't everything. If only there was a little box you could get that would prevent HDCP handshake from being attempted, and have it just work like plain ol' DVI. If HDMI didn't have that copy-protection crap in it, I'd want everything on HDMI just for keeping the cabling nice and tidy. (I've always had problems with copy protection interfering with playback; monitors that get messed up by MacroVision in the days of VHS were just the start. Fortunately, my first VCR didn't care about MacroVision....)

Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 (1)

tjansen (2845) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116190)

The colors never look right with analog input (on my Panasonic Plasma, but also on LCD monitors).

But HDCP does not change the picture. Beside that, DVI supports HDCP as well, and HDMI works without HDCP. There's simply no difference (provided that your monitor supports HDCP at all, and the implementation doesn't have any bugs).

Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115612)

The Wii's already pretty small, and I don't think DVD playback alone will be worth a revision.

I think what we're looking at here is nothing short of HD capabilities. What this would mean is more beefed-up specifications to handle the improved resolution. Then, when an "old" Wii game or one without HD capabilities is loaded, the HDWii downscales its specs to the originals. But for new games with HD support, the HDWii plays them in HD and uses its beefed-up specs to keep the frame rate up.

I give this an 80% chance of being the case. I can't think of anything else worth a hardware revision.

(Maybe 8 remote support, but that would be frustrating for current Wii owners)

Ad-whoring jerkfaces... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114296)

GameDaily BIZ: The Wii did quite well this holiday season. At last count Nintendo sold over 3.19 million units worldwide. Did you expect to sell that many or did that level of success surprise you a bit?

Perrin Kaplan: We actually projected really strong numbers like that before our launch, because any public company needs to do that... But again it was a really high risk to bring out something that innovative and different and we are really kind of in awe that consumers are so high on the product. I mean we had hoped for it, but when you do something that different you never really know how people are going to react, and the fact that everybody--teens, dads, moms, cousins, young kids--everybody is totally into it, and then the DS is selling extremely well... we're kind of in awe of all of it. It's a great, great thing and I think it means a lot of good things for the whole industry.

BIZ: That was actually something that Doug Lowenstein talked about earlier today in his speech. He said that the industry needs to take more risks, and shouldn't rely on the same type of content over and over. And he specifically mentioned the Wii and Will Wright's Spore...

PK: Well, consumers are really savvy. They've been enjoying [what the games industry offers] for a long time, but I don't think [purchase patterns] reflected a healthier appetite. Buying games has been sort of staying level, but I don't think people were feeling inspired. In fact, some of the core gamers were like, "I thought I was getting bored and I wasn't sure, and now I realize I was totally getting bored. And I now I feel reinvigorated." And those who've left gaming, we need them to come back in order for the industry to grow, and then those who've never played, we really want them to enter the fold because it's very fun. So yeah, we've got to get risky and get out there, and obviously sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

BIZ: Nintendo built up a lot of momentum over the holiday season, but what's the plan to keep that momentum alive and well? Inevitably there's going to be a lull, so how do you keep the buzz around the Wii and people buying it?

PK: Well, there's various buzz now. If you look on the Internet, there's everything from how to hold your own Wii party to how to do a Mii parade to change Mii codes to how to lose weight... all these different branches that have come off this tree. So the momentum has not slowed down. Conan O'Brien and Serena Williams were just playing Wii Sports tennis on TV the other night; that's the kind of stuff you thought would only happen during launch and it's still fast and furious. There's a lot, a lot of talk about it. You have to remember that even though you played the Wii many months ago, it's still new to a lot of people; there's a lot of "eurekas" to be had by a lot of consumers. So for us I think it's just about continuing to get the product out there, letting people have a chance to touch and feel it themselves and play it, because hearing about it is one thing; seeing someone play it is another exciting thing; and the third thing is if you play it yourself, for the most part, 99% of the time, people are like "I love this!"

BIZ: How much credit would you give Nintendo's marketing team for this early success? You've had some unique marketing where you took the Wii to an AARP convention, advertised with Oprah...

PK: Yeah, a lot of that actually started with the DS with Brain Age and Nintendogs and our efforts to try to take those products and populate it into different kinds of audiences. You know, the AARP thing was a little bit tough at first. They were like, "We don't really want to talk to you because we're all grandparents and we already buy stuff for our kids," and so we said, "No we want to talk to you about you." It took several attempts for them to finally say, "So why do you want to talk to us?" And it's because we have products for them as well now; so it really started with the DS and has continued on with the Wii. But I will say, at the end of the day if you have a poor product it doesn't matter how great your marketing is. I think our marketing efforts have been stupendous but it has only been icing on top of a really great cake, not in absence of a really great product.

BIZ: Getting back to my point about the lull and keeping momentum, though, the Q1 lineup for the Wii looks pretty anemic, honestly. And long droughts were a problem with the GameCube. Reggie Fils-Aime recently declared that there would be no droughts on the Wii, but it's as if we're starting to feel a drought already right now. I mean, when are we going to see Metroid or Mario?

PK: Well, first of all, number one you're a hardcore gamer, and we're selling to the masses as well. As I had mentioned earlier, there are millions of people who have yet to even experience Wii Sports. We've got 27 products between January and June, which gives people a lot to choose from, and that doesn't even include all of the Virtual Console games. You know, we've got Metroid and Super Mario Galaxy, and Super Smash Bros. and a lot of other really cool products... Elebits for example is getting really rave reviews and it's a really cool product. So we have about 2/3 of our products coming from third parties, which is really healthy; so while you, a core gamer are kind of waiting for our next product, there's still tons for people to experience and to find. And a lot of the hardcore products are going to continue to come and come soon.

BIZ: Ok then, so what is the expected release timeframe for Metroid and Mario?

PK: I wish I could tell you. You will learn soon.

BIZ: How many new IPs would you say Nintendo has in the works for the Wii right now? Is there a certain quota you have for introducing new properties?

PK: I wish it was as simple as that, but it's really not. When you're in the business of art... I don't think an artists sits down and says, "I'm going to create this many masterpieces this year." I mean, we do try to plan the year so that we've got sort of flagpole products that are launched during key times in the year to keep people engaged and bring them something new, but we don't sit down and say we're going to do X number. If you were to ask [Shigeru] Miyamoto and his team, creativity blooms at the time it blooms and they're constantly working and there are a certain number of games that I think they do try to accomplish creating, but it's really in reverse; it's an art, not a science.

BIZ: But can you confirm if there are any unannounced new IPs in the works right now ?

PK: I can't... but you'll learn more soon! There's also a lot to be said about the channels program we have on the Wii. That's a whole different aspect of introducing new things that are not specifically IP oriented--different, new experiences and things that have never been done before. So that part is cool too.

BIZ: One of Nintendo's stated goals has been to broaden the market, to reach old, young and everyone in between. But what evidence do you have, or demographic data that shows you're succeeding in this endeavor?

PK: We have a lot of research that's showing us that we're making great inroads with both the DS and the Wii, and that we're holding steady with those who love gaming. So for us, it was a really high risk thing to do, but we're seeing the pie get bigger and that's exciting for us. So we're just going to keep going headstrong in reaching all the different audiences.

BIZ: I find the senior segment a bit more interesting, because I wonder if they really will latch onto it. For example, I had my mom test out the Wii, and she's now turning 60 and has some arthritis. And she was mildly entertained with Wii Sports but after just a couple minutes she complained that she couldn't play it for more than a few minutes because the arthritis would act up.

PK: That's interesting; we all have a lot of personal anecdotes and we've been getting a lot of letters and phone calls and we've seen stories that are actually to the contrary. So I'm kind of hoping and thinking that she might be a unique case. We've got a lot of people that are using it for therapy believe it or not. One gal that's just finishing all of her cancer treatment, and one side of her body doesn't work as well, and she's been using [the Wii] to really help keep her engaged and get her going. We've seen people using it obviously for weight loss as well. But the seniors that we have also spent time with really feel like it keeps them stimulated and the research is showing us that's true. I mean, their attachment rate is going to be slower than a hardcore gamer's... but we just launched and we're already seeing that we're making progress.

BIZ: Why is Nintendo planning on releasing a DVD enabled Wii so long after the launch of the console? I don't think many people will care. What's the point?

PK: I think it's just to give them a choice. We've not yet come out with a firm date; we haven't talked about it too much. It's not the top thing on our list.

BIZ: Unless that's part of the plan for a new Wii hardware revision that would incorporate DVD playback as well?

PK: There are always lots of things in the future.

BIZ: Well, Nintendo does love to tinker with hardware, with three different versions of GBA and DS & DS Lite, etc.

PK: Yeah, we do, we do. If you think about the portable market, how many years that's been given legs for... we're talking like almost 17 years of portable gaming with Game Boy.

BIZ: But does the hardware revision model lend itself to the console market also? You relaunched the GBA as the GBA SP, the DS as the DS Lite, so can that be applied to consoles like the Wii?

PK: Sure, absolutely. You'll see the ways in which we do that.

BIZ: Let's talk about Nintendo's online plans. Obviously you have some cool stuff with the Weather Channel, News Channel, Opera browser, etc., but in terms of online gameplay Nintendo continues to lag behind. There are still no games to play online on the Wii, everyone hates those friend codes... how will Nintendo's online plans evolve?

PK: Some of that friend code stuff is really built for the mass consumer, not just the gaming world. The Wii has tons of different offerings and a lot of it was brand new. The remote, brand new. The way in which it interfaces with the screen, brand new. The channel concept, brand new. And I think if we launched it and plunked it down and said to the absolutely uninitiated, "Here's 18 things it can do," I can guarantee you it would stay in the box. It's just too intimidating. So we really strategically wanted to roll out having nearly a year talking about the remote and getting people ready, why it's unique, because it is the Einstein of the system. And then talking about the different things the box can do and then entering with the Virtual Console piece of it and the Wii Shop channel, introducing the channels one a time--the Mii channel has taken off and people really love that. Then ultimately we did weather, news and there's a lot more to come, but we're kind of rolling it out in a fashion that is consumable for people who are not highly experienced--and also giving you guys a chance to really explore it. And online stuff has come in the Pokemon game that has launched in Japan, and it definitely will come here and I think people will be very pleased with it. But I also think we've seen other companies launch with the entire menu of stuff, and I don't think all of it gets utilized at the start.

BIZ: The frustrating part of it though is that there are a lot of great things Nintendo could do online, and for gamers who value online play as a key component of the game experience they'll probably look elsewhere for that. Most would look to the 360 and Xbox Live. Doesn't that concern you?

PK: But I also think we're talking a little bit apples and oranges. What the Wii offers is uniquely different than the other systems. Those two systems are much more similar to each other. Wii might be a second purchase in the home for people who already own or purchased one of the other two, or people who will buy just a Wii will buy a Wii only and not have the other two. I think we feel pretty confident about our position; at the time online comes [to the Wii] I think people will be pleased with it. But for people who are hardcore gamers nothing can ever come fast enough for them, ever. I mean even when we announced a mass market price, which has been a blow away [success], hardcore gamers even complained about that. And it's just because you are all very educated about it and have a really huge appetite and want everything now. And having things at that pace is overwhelming for a lot of the other consumers, so we've tried to roll things out at a pace that makes sense... So online stuff will be coming soon and hopefully you all will be really pleased with it. And if you're really, really into online I can bet that you'd be playing it on all the systems.

BIZ: We're obviously going to see the most innovation from Nintendo itself on the Wii, but does Nintendo give third parties development guidelines or is it up to them to come up with innovative schemes for the Wii's controls?

PK: We don't give guidelines; that's like one artist telling another what to do. What we do is act as a resource to help them through; if they have ideas, how to implement them, how to better it, things that they can adjust to make it happen. But the creative element... if you talk to different developers, they're so excited because there are things that they can do that they could never do before and that's been happening on the DS as well. It's been a tougher thing for people to get their arms around--the dual screen--but there are great products coming out for it now that really exemplify the capabilities there. And on the Wii Elebits is a really great game... I could go down the whole list. I think EA has really embraced the Wii; they're very excited about what can be done with Tiger Woods' golf game. I think people finally really feel unleashed in terms of what they can do [in development] and they can do it for not as much cost-wise. You can create something stupendous and have it be really successful without having put $40 million into it.

BIZ: Would you say that this is the best third party support Nintendo's gotten since the SNES?

PK: Probably. It was pretty robust on the N64 but that was also still a cartridge based, but I think [the current third party support] feels pretty darn good... It's good times for everybody.

BIZ: What are your thoughts on all the negativity Sony's been facing lately? How would you assess the PS3's situation?

PK: I think they're really being faced with a hard time perception-wise and I have empathy for them in that. I think they may have hit a couple of market things not as precisely as they wanted to. It's been a challenge for them, but they're an experienced company, and there should be enough [room] for everybody. What Nintendo is doing is completely different. So when people compare us, I really say it's apples to oranges. We wish them the absolute best of luck; we've had challenges before too. It's a tough time for them... but I have no worries that they will figure themselves out.

BIZ: You can say it's apples to oranges, but at the end of the day, there's only a certain number of consumer dollars out there and even if the consoles are very different, you're still competing for those same consumer dollars.

PK: Yeah, but what we've done is we've increased the pie by having this expanded audience. You're getting people who are buying game systems who: a) never purchased it; and b) would never consider the other two, because of the simplicity of what we have to offer. That's absolutely apples to oranges. Sony can never own that customer. We, on the other hand, probably would be a second system purchase for the person who's really into all those complex games.

BIZ: Can you name a few things about Sony and Microsoft that they may have done a better job at than Nintendo and a few things where perhaps they could improve and learn from Nintendo?

PK: You're asking me?

BIZ: Yes...

PK: God, I'm so not interested in comparisons. I hate to let you down, but every company has its strong features. I know what we've spent time doing in terms of analyzing how to make the industry grow and how to make consumers really have a good time, and our energies have been so focused there. But I have ultimate respect for some of the people at both of the other companies that it kind of defeats the point. I know you love to see us in a bull ring...

BIZ: I'm not necessarily asking you to bash them, but just looking at it as fair as you possibly can...

PK: I think Sony showed the world with PS2 that it was possible for millions and millions of homes to own a [video game] system; they did it. I think for Microsoft, Xbox Live is very strong; they've done very well with it. And I think the Wii is a whole different ball game and we're having a blast.

BIZ: And do you think there are things that Nintendo has done that they could learn from?

PK: I think they're inspired by the remote and I think they're inspired by the simplicity and fun of what it is we've been able to do, and I'm sure out of that comes some learning. We all learn from each other.

BIZ: Is it Nintendo's goal to become #1 in the gaming space again, or does that even matter since the company is hugely profitable and obviously as a business that's what matters most?

PK: We've never had a time that we haven't been profitable. It depends on how you define #1...

BIZ: Well in terms of market share and selling more systems than Sony or Microsoft over the next 5 years...

PK: I will tell you our priorities are to continue to do what we've been doing for all of these years, ever since we've been in business, and that's to remain profitable. The other companies have yet to accomplish that really... so we've remained #1 in terms of that since the get go. As far as market share and units, coming out of the holiday we've sold the most hardware and the most software, so I think we're #1 there. But sure, we'd love to have it all and I think we can have it all. What's most important, however, is to be a healthy, profitable company... Microsoft is probably the only company that could have survived in this business this long having lost as much money as they did. They're trying to do some creative and innovative things and we give them credit for that.

BIZ: The DS has been more successful probably than Nintendo ever imagined it would be. Is Nintendo already working on ways to improve on that formula, on a 'DS2' perhaps?

PK: Whenever we launch a system we're always working on the next thing. There's never a time that Nintendo rested on its laurels. We're always trying to create and recreate. You know, we did it with the DS Lite. The DS was a fabulous product, had a really great start, had a little bit of slowing and then started to pick back up with Nintendogs, but what really took it into a different stratosphere was redesigning it. And I think that's what we wanted to do all along; it just took time to do it and get it right. And now we can't even keep it on the shelves; it's just awesome ... But yes, we are always working on our next console and next portable.

BIZ: What could Nintendo do to improve the DS formula though? It's not like they're going to add a third screen...

PK: Well, let me ask you this: Had you ever personally conceived of having two screens?

BIZ: I do remember the Game & Watch systems from the early '80s, so it wasn't inconceivable.

PK: Ok, but it wasn't something commonly thought of. In fact when it was first introduced people thought it was interesting but maybe a little bit odd. So you're saying, "What can we possibly do?" ... Nintendo is expertised at going places that others wouldn't have thought of. I'm fairly sure we can figure out how to keep innovating and doing different things.

BIZ: With the DS doing as well as it is, is the Game Boy line forgotten, or is a true GBA successor in the works, and if so when will we hear about it?

PK: It's interesting... I saw a girl this morning playing Game Boy Advance, which is such a great product, so no, we have not gotten rid of Game Boy. But our focus is really on driving the DS business, making sure that's in as many homes as possible, especially with the unique and innovative software we've been offering like the Brain games and whatnot. So, none of the valued names that Nintendo owns disappear; we just are making sure we don't flood the marketplace with too many different options. I think we at one point did that, so we're driving DS right this minute but we'll see what the future holds.

BIZ: What are your thoughts on the PSP? To its credit, unlike the Game Gear, the Lynx and other handhelds it's managed to not get killed off by a Nintendo portable...

PK: I'd say we have a pretty darn good stronghold over PSP right now.

BIZ: Right, but the PSP has managed to survive and do OK for itself...

PK: We'll see, we'll see... I think it's the best of the benign that had come into the marketplace. We don't see consumers embracing the PSP in a mass way that we're seeing them embrace DS Lite; we're really pleased with our continued performance. What I think will happen with them I really couldn't say, but what I can say is we have a very strong lead.

BIZ: It is almost a different market though. Your apples to oranges talk could be applied to PSP vs. DS too since the PSP is very multimedia focused and has other functionality.

PK: Right, I can agree with you... but in terms of the [portable] pie we really are happy with our share of it.

BIZ: So with the Wii out now and doing well, should we consider the GameCube to be on its death bed? Third party support is at a trickle it would seem, and Nintendo doesn't have anything planned for it in 2007, does it?

PK: You know, just like the PS2 sold really well this past holiday, GameCube is a great starter system--price, ease, games, cost of games. Every one of the consoles has had its cycle and every single one of them has become a great starter system at the last leg of its cycle, and that's where GameCube's at.

BIZ: Ok, but the Wii is arguably a good starter system and it's backwards compatible with GameCube...

PK: True. Are we producing any more GameCubes? No. But do we have the inventory there for people to still purchase? Yes.

BIZ: But do you have the software support?

PK: We have so many games. You're a core gamer; you wouldn't buy a GameCube. It's not aimed at you anymore. So for the new people as a starter system, how many games are there for them to pick from? Plenty. ... I mean, I wasn't the first to buy an iPod; by the time I bought it, it came to a price where I wanted it to be and a look the way I wanted it to look. So we're not selling GameCube to the people who are hardcore players and want all the gadgetry; we're going after the people who never really bought a system before, or finally it's at a price that they can afford for their family.

BIZ: My point is that from a first-party perspective, just like Microsoft doesn't put out new original Xbox games, Nintendo is no longer supporting GameCube. Can you confirm that?

PK: Right, that's correct. But it's still a great starter system because of all the great games that were made that are still available. That's the normal cycle for all products.

BIZ: Thanks for your time today, Perrin.

::sigh:: oh you silly console fanboys... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114310)

Welcome to the world of PC gamers.

I myself have been playing video games both on consoles and on the PC since the commodore 64. If there is one thing I have learned as an avid PC gamer, it's this:

Never expect your top of the line system to be top of the line the day after you buy it.

Technology advances. Things change. New releases are let out, and people buy them because they are better. See, Nintendo released their product, heard what the public did and did not like about it, and are going to change it according to what the CONSUMERS say.

I don't care if you test something for five years with 10,000 different people doing the testing. Until you truly release your product to the (somewhat ignorant) masses, you will never know exactly what is and is not wrong with something, ESPECIALLY a gaming system.

Granted, some things such as noise, heat, etc. should be discovered fairly easily in testing...but there are really REALLY stupid people out there (yes, I'm looking at the Wii owners with broken TV's) that testers cannot possibly fathom. They can anticipate a lot, they can't anticipate the level of stupidity that some of their customers have achieved.

Don't be mad at them for trying to listen to their customers.

Re:::sigh:: oh you silly console fanboys... (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114594)

I have also been a console/PC gamer for a very long time and I would say that I already see the end of the constant upgrade cycle for PCs ...

I'm not saying it is going to happen tomorow, but I suspect that if you bought a top of the line system [alienware.com] that it would take several years before you could no longer meet the minimum requirements of new games. Another thing I noticed is that there are Millions of people who are playing World of Warcraft, which is a 2 year old game that wasn't that (graphically) impressive when it was new, and no one complains about how ugly it is.

Re:::sigh:: oh you silly console fanboys... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114776)

I agree with you for the most part, although in the two years since I obtained my X800xt, it has become basically useless for new games...hell, even in the past year PC hardware (namely, video cards) have come a LONG LONG way...eventually though (and likely not too far ahead), we are going to hit the proverbial ceiling until the next big innovation comes around that changes everything...

Re:::sigh:: oh you silly console fanboys... (1)

namekuseijin (604504) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116934)

"Technology advances. Things change. New releases are let out, and people buy them because they are better."

Sure, people will buy better hardware when the time and money asks for it. It's not like I should upgrade my graphics card every 6 months just because the manufacturer put out new stuff that is capable of a few more million polygons per second...

I find the usual 5 year console cycle for hardware technology just right. There's actual effort from software makers to get optimizations out of the aging hardware that simply doesn't happen in the PC World. I can spend money on software rather than annoying and conflicting hardware updates...

Consoles over, but not the games (4, Informative)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114518)

I DRTFA, but I just wanted to note that just because the Gamecube is no longer being produced does not mean that there will be no more Gamecube games, thanks to the backwards compatibility on the Wii.

Only last year was the last Dreamcast game released (in Japan), and the system has been out of production for at least four years. Every once in a while a PS1 game is still released, because it can work on the PS2. Since the Gamecube will be cheaper to produce for than the Wii, and there's a fairly good chance that many of the consumers will have the 'Cube controllers or easily get them.

The PS3 will also see a lot of this with PS2 games, especially with the massive increase of PS3 production costs.

Gamecube controllers will probably also see continued production by third parties, seeing as how they can be used with VC games and are generally cheaper than the Classic controller.

It does look like Nintendo is ditching the Gamecube internally, though.

Re:Consoles over, but not the games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114712)

Only last year was the last Dreamcast game released (in Japan)

Wrong. There are still more being released [play-asia.com] .

Re:Consoles over, but not the games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18114714)

The submitter is probably just quoting the idiotic groupthink from the article Digg linked [cubed3.com] That story was about new shipments to Taiwan being terminated. The linked article barely mentions the GC.

Re:Consoles over, but not the games (1)

Talgrath (1061686) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115014)

Yes, but this is basically an official announcement that the Gamecube is dead. I've considered it to be a dead console for the last year or year and a half, but now we have Nintendo itself essentially dropping support aside from customer support. There won't be any new Gamecubes made according to this statement or any new games made by Nintendo for the system; considering how heavily the Gamecube relied on Nintendo to produce games for it, this is basically the death certificate for the system. I'd only consider one system of the "previous generation" of systems to be alive now, and that's the PS2 (which still has some big name titles coming out for it). The Wii hardware update kinda makes me think I'll wait a bit before purchasing, at least long enough to find out what the updated Wii hardware will do.

Re:Consoles over, but not the games (2, Funny)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115092)

> Only last year was the last Dreamcast game released

I heard it received rave reviews from both Dreamcast owners.

Re:Consoles over, but not the games (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 7 years ago | (#18116112)

I still have a dreamcast, and even better it still works!

Well, I have to hit it a bit first.

Wii DVD player in US (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18114822)

I hope the Wii with DVD support comes to the US. Personally, I would love to see something like WiiTV with some PVR and DVD support built into the Wii. I realize that nintendo was going for something that was cheap, and was puretly a gaming system- as opposed to the PS3 and 360 that want to be everything to everybody, but with the channels interface and the wii remote as it's controler, I can't think there has been a better fit since peanutbutter and chocolate.

Re:Wii DVD player in US (1)

Elder Entropist (788485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115322)

PVR Support? Where would they store the data? Even a 2GB card wouldn't hold a whole movie. Maybe if it supported an external USB drive...

Re:Wii DVD player in US (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18115972)

yes, the current version of the Wii would not be able to store much of anything, but there wouldn't be anything stopping them from releasing a version with a hard drive, or a slot for a hard drive for in case someone wanted to use it as a PVR.
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