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The Porn - MP3 Connection

Hemos posted more than 14 years ago | from the the-rainbow-connection dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 168

quadra writes "New Musical Express has a strange article based on a report by the British Phonographic Industry. According to them, sites are using MP3s in order to 'force' users to watch porn. " For those who aren't familar, the BPI is the British-equivalent of the RIAA [?] . Wow. I can't even imagine the thought process that leads people to say things like that.

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Re:Actually a reasonable thought process (2)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576641)

While you are correct about having to click banner ads to get into MP3 sites being common, I think most MP3 trading doesnt happen on these sites. I know I use IRC for most of my MP3 needs and can usually find whatever I want within minutes on just one or two channels. Other then specifics, I trade with friends. The banner ad BS is precisely what keeps me FROM going to those sites. If I were BPI, I'd love these banner ad sites and go after the people who trade them freely...

-- iCEBaLM

"Movies" really animated gifs? (1)

Johnathon Walls (27265) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576642)

This would (sort of) make sense as some mp3 sites are linked to the porn industry via banner ads. Some (most) of these banner ads are really animated gifs, which could be (sort of) considered a movie (sort of).

Ironic (1)

ed_the_unready (5193) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576643)

NME's newsfeed wants to *force* me to activate Java before I can read the article.

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Help! (1)

skelly (38870) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576654)

Rob? He made me do it. I didn't want to but the bad man made me watch all those pictures. Now I have to go home and weed whack my palms! No mister, you made me bad touch!

Obviously I went blind long ago. Hell, I have been on the 'net since 1990. I was going blind in ASCII with 2600 baud modems. Now I am writing this with my IWhack hooked into a Dragon Speak and Spell.
The only horrific versions of teenage sex I have ever had to witness was watching two drunk friends of mine go at it when they thought I was passed out. The site of them both did make me wrtech and pass out soon after.
If MP3's could only be gotten off of porn sites, we'd all have the soundtrack to Debbie Does Dallas and Deep Throat {heard both}.
Think I'll set my braille lynx reader for the Hustler site. I heard that they have really goog commentaries on Jerry Falwell.

Grasping at Straws (2)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576655)

This is my favorite quote:

Emma Fanning of the BPI said: "It has always been the case that piracy has links with pornographers and organised crime..."

My response is "It has always been the case that the music industry has links with illegal drugs and satanic cults."

These two statements are about equal in their truthfulness. Actually I've far fewer doubts about the "piracy industry's" wholesomeness compared to the Music Industry. Which one is constantly portrayed as being the slimyest dirtyest industry in the business, somewhere between crack dealers and pimps? It isn't the piracy industry...

Personally, most of the illegal MP3 trading that I've seen has taken place on IRC. The people doing the trading usually refer to FTP sites (I don't think I've seen one HTTP site mentioned in relation to MP3 files.) Why should they bother setting up a web interface for what FTP does so well? I have never seen an MP3 site "force" you to watch pornography.

MP3's will eventually kill groups such as the the RIAA and the BPI, and good riddance.

Re:Actually a reasonable thought process (2)

Uruk (4907) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576656)

The fact that there are porn banners on web sites and that sometimes you have to click on them to get mp3s is one thing, but this article is another.

This is NOT what the article was saying. It was saying that users are forced into looking at "horrific teenage sex" in order to get mp3s. This is not the same thing - if it was just banners, then they should have said something.

Think about it-what's their motivation for making a statement like that? It was in their interests to keep the statement vague and general - not mentioning porn sites at all, or commerce, but rather just choosing to say that people were forced into seeing porn as if all people who distribute mp3s are people who are consciously trying to corrupt the people looking for mp3s.

It's a crock of shit.

Recording Industry vs. Artists (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576657)

This article ties in with the lawsuit agenst the Diamond Rio and all the other things the recording industry has done to keep mp3s away from mainstream acceptence. Its not even piracy thats the problem with it, its that mp3 has the potetional to destroy the music indurstry. The majority of the money from a record or cd sale dosen't go into distrubution, advertiseing, or even to the artist. Most of the profits go to the record company. Mp3 is the first method where an artist can have nationwide/worldwide exposure and sell their own records. This is similuar to what sites like mp3.com do. The cd's sold over the internet like this cost more to make (not in huge bulk orders) but cost less becuase there is no mark up from the recrd company. They are agenst mp3 because it will enable artists to bypass the recording industry.

Re:simple solution (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576658)

Actually, some of these sites have started using Javascript cack so that if you try to go back you just get sent to another dumb porn site. I accidentally hit one a few days ago while following a seemingly innocuous link from Altavista, and had to kill Netscape to stop porn site pages appearing on my screen at work; luckily I have image downloading disabled by default.

Many people in the online porn industry seem to be assholes who just don't give a damn about anything but making money (and annoying web users in the process).

Of course Javascript is the tool of Satan anyway, but a few sites I visit regularly require it so I have to leave it enabled most of the time.

I can imagine (1)

_martini_ (77384) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576659)

I've seen one too many ass awards browser windows pop up when looking for mp3s and/or warez..it's damn near impossible to find a good site these days.

Linking MP3 to pr0n is attempt to hurt MP3 format. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576660)

There are greater forces at work here. The music industry is scared shitless by MP3 and will do everything they can to discourage mainstream acceptance of the format. They'll call it a pirate audio format, associate it with evil pr0n, etc. in an effort to taint the format so the mainstream will avoid it.

It's JPEG all over again. The first widespread use of the image format was for pr0n. Thus it was tainted and unsupported by mainstream software for a looong time. Heck, it wasn't until fscking Windows 98 that the out of the box MS OS groked .jpg. Yeesh.

Re:To many, it's all the same... (1)

kootch (81702) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576661)

Hey! that's not the case at all.

I'm one of those "war3z d00ds"... actively in #macfilez and run my own hotline server.

and truth be told, I have a hot-@ss girlfriend who gets me to leave my computer and let some l00zr that I gave an account to admin the damn thing in my absense.

and it makes me enough money that I can buy my woman some incredible lingerie and go out to fancy restaraunts.

but you are right about Lightwave... I'd had that for about 6 months before I actually found a reason for it... but even then it wasn't worth it. But what the hell, it's only hard drive space, right?

No sex please, we are Brittish... (1)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576662)

I suspect the "horrific" is simply a redundant word for effect, to whoever wrote that sound bite the thought of teenagers having sex is per definition horrific.

I wish they had posted links!!! (2)

Mo B. Dick (100537) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576663)

I wish they would have posted links to those sites!!!! I love being forced to watch horrible teenage sex acts while downloading mp3s!!!!!!!! You can't go wrong with a combination like that!!!!!

How... interesting. (3)

Skid (38470) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576665)

If I read this correctly, does that mean I can tell my boss "the music made me do it" when he catches me at a porn site? :)

Thank god for common sense! (4)

punkass (70637) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576668)

If this appeals to you, come join my crusade against magazine articles. After all, all these people are getting sucked into looking at naked women after being lured to Playboy for the articles! Damn that sly Hue Heffner!

simple solution (1)

dantes (89932) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576670)

It's called the back button. Also available using Alt(-), or backspace. Use it. No one is forced to watch anything on the Internet, that is why we like it here; freedom of choice is a beautiful thing.

Are they taking about the forced banner clicking? (5)

pen (7191) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576671)

Some sites will require you to go to a web page, click on banners, and find some word on the page to which the banner leads. It is roughly like this:

To get into my site, use the Username "w4r3z". To get the password, go to http://blah.blah/blah and click on the banners. The password is the third word on the first banner page plus the fifth word on the second banner page. Naturally, 90% of the banners are porn banners...

Is this what they really meant?

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Ha! (5)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576674)

Rob, you're forcing me to login. You're forcing me to read those advertisements on top of your page. I'm not responsible - society has forced me to spend my hard-earned cash and turned me into a social reject. Now I'm forced into posting to slashdot and hitting reload several dozen times an hour. It's not my fault, I'm a victim of Rob Malda! Help, help! Somebody's forcing me to think independently! It hurts, make them stop!!!

--

I think what they are refering to.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576676)

is the advertisements and popups that you come accross when you use say Altavista or Google to search for illegal mp3 distro sites. Goto your favaorite search engine and type in mp3, warez, serialz, crackz and see what you find.

I'm going to the wrong mp3 sites (5)

georgeha (43752) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576680)

All I get is music, and maybe some hippie graphics.

I especially liked the part about horrifying teenage sex, what exactly is that? Drinking a six pack, getting queasy, fumbling for a thick, old Trojan in your wallet and then prematurely ejaculating while her mom walks in on you? And then hurling on the floor?

Pretty horrifying to me.

George

huh? (3)

cheese63 (74259) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576681)

so... you get *free* porn while downloading *free* music. what the hell is the problem here?

My 0.000002 cents worth (2)

jd (1658) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576682)

The MP3 sites:

  • A lot of MP3 sites -do- have banner adverts to sites of questionable content, often purely for profit reasons. However, I don't see any evidence that that changes how people think, or what people choose to do.
  • MP3 sites are aimed at the teeny-bopper crowd. A bit stupid, as I'd put teeny-boppers in the "CD drive=cup-holder" crowd. Not the sort who'd know how to GET to a web-site, let alone get to any with music on it. Hmmm. That's a point. The whole BPA argument is that these people AREN'T on sites with music on them. Maybe they've got something, there.
  • There is no evidence that banner adverts can "compel" someone to click on it. If anything, banner adverts are being clicked on less, now, than at any time in their brief history. Nor is there any indication, AFAICT, for any kind of threat, demand, manipulation or deception, in these adverts.

The MP3's themselves:

  • The English are just as obsessed over backmasking and subliminals as the Americans. If they -actually- mean the MP3's, it could be that that they're worried about. The study of backmasking and subliminals is nowhere near advanced enough to say if it's even possible to put these into an MP3, let alone if they'd have any affect on the listeners.
  • The BPA has greater reason to be concerned over the impact of sales, and FUD would certainly not do the people they're interested in any harm.

Personally, I see no great point in prawnographic sites. You can see shelled shrimp any time, for a lot less. And would -you- hand over your credit card, over a (typically) insecure line, to a complete stranger who has no interest in keeping the number safe? In fact, is probably in a country you couldn't even prosecute them in, even if they did run your card up to the limit the next day.

Sure, you say, but people would go elsewhere. How, exactly? Over half the sites aren't registered and go by IP address alone. Easy enough to change that. Virtually all use redirection, making it impossible to tell where you're connected to. And all of them are multihomed, so the name is useless to telling where you are.

Unless you fancy tracerouting to every single site you ever connect to, but still insist on viewing prawnography, you're not going to avoid fraud. It can't be done, because you've no means of ensuring trust, and it's not in the other person's interests to be trustworthy.

Aren't we forgetting something (2)

Uruk (4907) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576683)

Ahh, but you're forgetting about the fact that people who are out looking for mp3s are already criminals, and probably insane too! :)

The unfathomable depths of depravity that a person undoubtedly has to sink to in order to want to download such blatantly illegal material procludes the possibility of self control. How could such perversions of humanity, so low that they would want to rip off poor starving companies with their underpaid CEOs possibly have the self restraint needed to resist the evils of horrifying teenage sex? How can they be expected to stray away from the evils offered by the snake with the ripe, luscious red fruit of lasciviousness and towards the light of corporate holiness and honor? Those who do not know the corporate pledge of allegiance, ("Buy, possess, own, consume, rent, lease, buy, possess, own, consume, rent, lease, buy...") couldn't possibly have the restraint needed to click the back button.

(Warning-this was a joke. If you though I was serious with the above article, then you need a good LART.)

Re:I'm going to the wrong mp3 sites (1)

cheese63 (74259) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576684)

lol! upon reading your post, i lauged really hard and promptly died.

The truth is in the report itself ! (1)

Manifest (50758) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576685)

"Sarah Robertson Commucations Manager of BPI told nme.com:"The majority of illegal music is still produced and sold on CDs, but the rate of growth of MP3s is of concern and we feel that we have to act now."
Well they sure have acted.. by propagating such stupid allegations. I have been colleting a lot of MP3 and so have my friiends, but man this is news to us. How come we missed such good package deals :)

There are MP3 FTP site where u have to trade MP3s to get MP3s.. some with ridiculous download_to_upload ratio of 1:5, but NEVER has there been any case as mentioned in this article.

By any chance are they referring to the banners that are on some of these site ?? If that is the case then they donno how Internet works. No one is forcing u to click on that "Booby" chick hanging out there on that corner of the page that has a list of MP3 that can be downloaded.

My advice to Ms.Sarah Robertson.. " This is not the way to act".

If only the guys who had written such baseless allegations had asked their children how to donwload MP3 and enjoy them !!

Manifest

www.puremp3.org (2)

Gunzour (79584) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576686)

www.puremp3.org [puremp3.org] is a website which promotes keeping porn off of mp3 sites. It's a good effort; check it out.

If you're as fed up as I am about porn on mp3 site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576687)

Check out PureMP3 [puremp3.org] .

It's got an excellent list of mp3 sites that don't have pornographic banner ads.

It's a sad state when the majority of you can't imagine someone who doesn't want to look at pornographic banner ads.


-Pete

Re:No sex please, we are Brittish... (2)

Uruk (4907) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576688)

Boy are they out of touch. I wonder what percentage of the CEOs that are railing against this horrific teenage sex are bastard sons of unwed teenage mothers in their own rite.

When companies put out press releases and such, you would assume that because of the diversity in opinions of the public as well as for other reasons, they would want their announcements/press releases to contain factual information. But instead you get emotionally charged garbage that it meant solely to further their agenda. Of course companies are going to try to further their agenda, but it shouldn't be by trying to manipulate the passions and biases of what they doubtlessly assume are the "ignorant unwashed masses"

Re:Actually a reasonable thought process (5)

hey! (33014) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576689)

To paraphrase the immortal Claud Rains, the recording industry is shocked, shocked to discover that somebody is using sex to sell music.

(the revenues from your music video, sir,)

Bottom line (1)

ReadbackMonkey (92198) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576690)

The web is 90% porn, saying that MP3's and porn are intrinsically linked is like saying that water kills people since the entire world is covered in water and people die everywhere.

Consider the source (3)

jabber (13196) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576701)

It's more likely to depend on wether or not the author(s) 'got any' as teens. Were they popular, socially successful and well adjusted individuals, or repressed, snobby off-spring of right-religious neo-puritan freaks. You know, those that spell out the word S.E.X. in front of their kids until they're grown and married.

In my experience, teen sex was pretty damn great! Even with a partner (doh!).. Tastes and experiences differ, and tantric love-making is certainly not the same as fornicating with the stab-wounds of the departed, but I digress.

We can infer a lot about the psychological repression of the author(s), just by observing their language as it's used in the article. That, coupled with the remnants of a repressive society what would have jailed Alan Turing for being gay rather than having him assist in the deciphering of the Enigma engine, had he 'come out' publicly during his career. Silly islanders.

One can only hope that saner minds will prevail and this gets exposed as the ignorant sensationalism that it is. And that this never crosses the pond, since in the U.S. saner minds are shouted down by the likes of Jerry Falwell and Tipper Gore.

'Paying-off Karma at an accelerated rate' - Susan Ivanova

"Bite me. Call me. bCandid" Wow, Rob! What an appropriate banner ad...

Put adfu.blockstackers.com 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576702)

Whoosh! No more banner ads. dns lookup goes to your own machine, finds no banner ad to load, and the rest of the /. page is unaffected. Faster loads too! (adfu is slooow) And for those who will say that I'm somehow hurting Slashdot or costing them money, *bull* *shit*. I've never responded to a banner ad ever, so it'll make no difference if I just disable them on my machine. Besides, if Slashdot can't surve without banner ad revenue, they they SHOULD die, in which case another site would pop up to take it's place. I have zero obligation to help Slashdot make money. Accept it. What's more, web sites are a commodity these days. If one sucks and dies, go to another. No big deal. No one site is all that important anymore.

voices inside my..... computer (1)

werd life (94886) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576703)

It's so true! I'm glad I'm not alone... all this time, I thought something was wrong with me for going to certain risque sites. They didn't believe me when I told them my computer made me do it!

I feel a bit better about living in the US now (2)

MillMan (85400) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576704)

Well, we've all seem crap like this before, but I'm not sure even the RIAA is dumb enough to make a statement like that. Horrific scenes of teenage sex? Have you ever seen a more crystal clear piece of FUD in your life? I spit on this "BPI" just like I spit on the RIAA.

It's too bad they didn't use the word pedophelia instead of teenage sex...or maybe that would make it too obvious that this is pure FUD. The "pedophelia" or "pedophile" keyword is a favorite among politicians when they want to take away personal freedoms in favor of government regulation to "protect your children." Unfortunatly it's a just a way for them to protect their power base in the face of a changing world. It's obviously the same thing for the BPI. They're trying to protect their profit margins and distribution channels.

I've seen this same porn argument so many times over the past 3 years or so now that it's really funny and really sad at the same time. It's been applied to almost everything involving the internet. The BPI will be linking the words "pedophilia" and "child porn" to mp3's soon enough, since thats what really gets the public going. They're just lagging behind the US propeganda machine a bit, since America is the undispuded leader in propeganda, FUD, and P.R. bullshit. We've got all the cutting edge tactics over here. Lucky us.

But on the upside, when companies or organizations are resorting to pure FUD tactics, they're already losing the battle.

In a related story... (1)

Mignon (34109) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576705)

The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) has filed suit for trademark infringement against the British Pronographic Industry...

Examply of horrifying teenage sex site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576706)

Is this the kind they are talking about?

http://www.dotdotdot.net/pr0n/

Re:simple solution (0)

PHroD (1018) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576707)

or you could just turn javascript off ^_^


"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix

The Real Sex - Rock Concert Connection (1)

Ken Williams (28157) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576708)

this is even worse than the porn - mp3 connection. repeated exposure to live GWAR concerts eroded my moral values to the point that i lost my virginity before the age of 30. i'm a disgrace to all of the other ethically pure Philosophy grads from UNC Class of '90.
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hee-hee, I wish I could moderate you up (2)

georgeha (43752) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576709)

well, that's different

George

mp3 download experience (3)

pennyn (93733) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576710)

I download mp3s _almost_ constantly, and run into these kinds of sites _almost_ every day.

The majority seem to have an incredibly good range of music, but are extremely difficult to get into. Let me explain ...

Firstly, the hosts have their site listed in an mp3 FTP search engines (such as audiogalaxy.com [audiogalaxy.com] ). Once their site is displayed (showing the username and password), I login via FTP. The first message displayed, is usually one saying that this is a 'looking only' account, and for 'leech access', one has to go to their website www.blah.whatever.etc.etc.

Once at the website, there are banners at the top of the page, and a message at the bottom. The message says to "click on the top banner, and the fourth word on the page is the login, then click on the second banner, and the second last word on the page is the password." Both of these banners (of course) are porn sites. The host obviously gets paid a few cents every time someone clicks on them.

Next, having finally got the 'leech' username and password, FTP to the server can be attempted. Now comes the fun part ... after all that, upon login a message is displayed saying, "there are too many users currently logged into that account. Please try again later", and I'm instantly logged out.

This doesn't happen once or twice, it happens 90% of the time.

What I don't understand, is why the porn site keep paying them.

Re:Put adfu.blockstackers.com 127.0.0.1 in /etc/ho (1)

Enoch Root (57473) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576715)

I agree with your general conclusion, though not with your reasoning.

I've clicked a few banner ads from time to time, but they were clicked out of self-interest and not because I feel it's my duty to give money to Slashdot. I bought a /. t-shirt from Copyleft, not because I wanted to help /. get money, but because it looked cool.

You should never feel you're obligated to click banner ads. Bypassing adfu.blockstackers.com is akin to pressing fast-forward on your VCR. Whoever stopped to watch ads because they felt the show deserved support?

What advertising firms are interested in is the demographics and number of people who come to /.; if they don't get many clicks, they'll just review their strategy. It won't put /. out of existence.

"Knowledge = Power = Energy = Mass"

Re:Are they taking about the forced banner clickin (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576716)

You BASTARD!!!

I want my fair share of the take NOW!!!


....uh, what warez, officer?


P


Pope

Which is a damn good reason to disable javascript (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576717)

I can't STAND web sites that open a new instance of the browser. I usually run with Javascript disabled and I don't think it's a bright idea to leave it on all the time. Recently had to enable it for some site or other and forgot to disable it, and ran across some banner advert that spawned a new window. Gunned it down and killed javascript immediately.

There needs to be a way to enable java, javascript and cookies on a site-by-site basis (Hotjava used to do this and it was a cool feature.)

Save the children.... (1)

E-Rock (84950) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576718)

Once again the ignorant write for the ignorant and it somehow it ends up on /. and a guy like me has to comment. ;)
I dl mp3s all the time, and don't see a lick of pr0n unless I'm looking for it. Once again, THE NET IS NOT THE WEB. If you want filez stay away from the web. It's all about $$$. If you want the good mp3s stick to FTP and don't support the pr0n pushers (BTW they usually have shit on their site if you can even log in after earning them a penny or two).
Last BTW: It's the web people, you see something you don't like SHUT DOWN THE BROWSER.

The truly scary thing... (2)

dmorin (25609) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576719)

...is that when I hit the page, the freakin' banner ad started playing a background sound file! They wanna talk about the evils of forcing somebody to watch porn? How about the evil of forcing me to listen to Brad Pitt say "How much ya really know about yahself yah never been inna fight?" before I can lunge for the volume control?

You seem to have misspelled "pr0n" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576720)

If the majority agree, then it must be true! When search engines turn up more hits for pr0n than for porn, I do believe a dictionary update is in order!

Lame... (1)

pb (1020) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576721)

Um... let's see, what could I do to fix this.

1) Block ads. The internet junkbuster is a wonderful thing.

2) Use a text-based web browser like w3m or lynx. Or better yet, ftp!

3) Disable image loading. (okay, sometimes that isn't as easy to do these days, but graphical browsers used to support it better before...)

4) If you don't like it, turn off the computer.

5) Listen to the radio?
---
pb Reply rather than vaguely moderate me.

BPI Good Judge of Porn (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576722)

Notice that the BPI was not referring to "pictures of horiffic teen sex", but "horiffic pictures of teen sex".

Apparently, they were complaining about the lack of quality and poor photography at their teen porn sites. They must believe that there should be much better teen sex out there than what these horiffic pictures show.

Maybe we should all send them the URL's to some high quality teen sex sites so the BPI won't be forced to view the horiffic ones.

Just a thought.

Phono ~ Porno (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576723)

I think they confused "Phonographic" with "Porographic" and where looking at porn sites all day. Then when they got caught they had to come up with an explanation.

Some validity to this. (1)

BurntHombre (68174) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576724)

Although this report is a little sensational, the point is quite valid. No, not all MP3 sites are infested with tons of porn and porn links, but I know for a fact that a lot of the sites I browse for MP3s are far too risque to be on my computer at work...not that I search for MP3s at work, of course. :) Just one example would be www.mp3sounds.com, which appears to be down at the moment. This site has animated GIFs that would make Larry Flynt blush--plus tons of links to FTP sites full of MP3s. Again, not all MP3 sites are like this, but there are many. I don't know why the connection exists (actually I do, but I'm too lazy to expound on it), but it's there.

That explains it... (1)

Evil Poot Cat (69870) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576725)

[bs] Damn, if someone had told me there would be PORN on a music site, I'd have leased SDSL already. Woohoo! [/bs]

Although, maybe the link between music and pr0n explains the existance of porno-bass music.

Re:Are they taking about the forced banner clickin (2)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576726)

This should be a pretty easy problem to fix. Just use a browser or plugin that supports external comments (e.g. Third Voice, and I think Mosaic had something like this too?). Then just one person looks up the password and posts it for everyone. Nothin' the MP3/w4r3z d00d can do about it.


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bad bad bad (1)

cebe (34322) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576727)

If this is referring to banner sites... the author of this article has it all wrong.

If you log into a site to download mp3s and you find yourself faced with the words "go to http://blabla and click on the banner for the password" ummm.. thats not exactly forcing you to watch porn... if you want in that site bad enough... you'll go click on the sex banner on the web but it's not as if someones forcing you to watch an hour long mpg as this article makes it sound like.

theres a real problem of people writing articles on internet related issues that don't know anything outside their Outlook Express.

The article says sites are using mp3s to force users to watch porn... that is juat all wrong

the article should say... sites are using porn to make a couple bucks off people that want their mp3s by using banners. Now theres an article that I would have a little respect for the author for writing.

this is just terrible

Re:I feel a bit better about living in the US now (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576728)

The RIAA most likely participated in some of those scenes of teenage sex. Look at the images they push on us. The female artists have more plastic in their bodies than your average Barbie doll and always look like jailbait, even though a few of them are through menopause.

Yes indeed, Pedophiles are one of the horsemen of the infocalypse. I remember Pedophiles and Terrorists. Anyone recall the other two? Organized crime maybe? Anyway...

They're not going to stop anyone; the genie's out of the bottle. They best they can hope for now is to delay it until they can figure out how to make money off of it (Or get the hardware manufacturers in line with devices that don't allow recording, such as the shit referenced here. [edtn.com] )

Re:spelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576729)

I suggest a spell checker would only be useful if there was magic involved. A spelling checker might be more useful for an article.

Quick Thinking (2)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576735)

It sounds to me like someone at BPI got caught looking at porn, and had to think fast. "The MP3s made me do it!" And then things got out of hand when the boss took him seriously.


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This is true (1)

doomy (7461) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576736)

I watched NIN's "broken" (please dont tell the authorities) and beacme a serial killer. I would like to stress that I was forcked to watch Trent Reznor scream and make sorts of throaty noise. Also this guy did a bobbit act on screen, which deeply influenced my um.... nevermind
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The most bizarre thing of all in this article (1)

RDW (41497) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576737)

...is the quote from the HMV guy claiming that they'd be boycotting releases from artists who had pre-released tracks as mp3s. Is this accurate? Surely this should be between the record company and the artist? What business is it of a record shop if the artist chooses to release their work in alternate formats? Sounds like a good enough reason for boycotting an overpriced retailer!

where do they get off? (1)

kootch (81702) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576738)

where does such a respectable publication get off saying such things as "horrible teenage sex"?

Sex is a BEAUTIFUL thing between two very loving individuals. Sex is not a "horrible" action, but one of love, sacrifice, and mutual enjoyment. Pictures of such an act should be held in the highest esteem and broadcasted throughout the land...

And sex between teenagers is nothing but the purest of sex... that where individuals haven't been corrupted by money and power, and having their backs broken by middle management... okay, if it was between two UGLY teenagers having sex... maybe... but even then the ability for two grotesque individuals to find someone to share their special feelings with is a very very special occasion and also one which should be celebrated.

And if you'd like to start a web site to celebrate ugly teenagers having sex, www.uglyteensex.com [networksolutions.com] is not yet registered!

So everyone, go out and visit your favorite site that supports the freedom of expression and passes along these beautiful images of sex and allows you to take them home with you and possibly even print them out (if you have a color printer [epson.com] ).

ciao!

Re:Are they taking about the forced banner clickin (1)

jfrisby (21563) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576739)

This is undoubtedly what they mean. I just thought it was kinda funny how they made it sound like it was the end of the world: "horrific scenes of teenage sex"! LOL!


Jon Frisby, Senior Internet Software Engineer,
Personal Site (MrJoy.com) [mrjoy.com]

Re:Are they taking about the forced banner clickin (1)

kootch (81702) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576741)

to add something to my post...

I ran this server on a macintosh for a variety of reasons.

It seems that hotline server for linux and windowz machines is very very very easy to hack, whereas since you don't get a command line for the mac, it's not even worth a cracker's time.

just warning some of you out there incase you're thinking of setting up your own server. Do it on a mac and don't think twice about it. Considering the people that these server's attract, you're thank me.

"Horrific" Teen Sex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576743)

Obviously, these people need to go to mp3 sites which have a higher quality of pornography on them.

Re:Are they taking about the forced banner clickin (1)

kootch (81702) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576744)

set up your own server if you want.

the entire process takes approximately 5 minutes and you're up and ready to go with all of your users and groups working.

Yes... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576746)

Yes, they are talking about the pay-per-click porn advertisements which must be viewed to get the password to the mp3 site. I've seen quite a few sites doing this.

If the above poster is telling the truth about making $8000 doing this, I'm quite surprised, usually I hear stories of people getting maybe a few hundred dollars out of it. Mostly young prople who have little other source of income and are willing to take a little risk.

"Force" (1)

gorilla (36491) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576754)

Anyone who's ever looked at the stats on an internet link knows that lusers don't need forcing to look at pron.

Duh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576755)

If you go to a warez site looking for MP3's, you're asking to get at least a banner to a porn site.
Which is why I like FTP much better than web browsing... =)

I want an Athlon...

Wait a Minute (1)

mochaone (59034) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576756)

horrible teen sex

Isn't that statement oxymoronic? I guess it depends on whether you're a teen male or a teen female :>)

You mean like a banner site? (2)

invenustus (56481) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576757)

I use those banner MP3 sites all the time. "The leech password is the 4th word in the 1st paragraph after you click the 'Hot Teens' banner." 4 out of 5 times the password is either "teen" or "explicit". Doesn't bother me too much if I get the music I want.

What the... (3)

Uruk (4907) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576758)

What are they talking about? I read the article, and it says that not only are users exposed to porn, but "horrific pictures of teenage sex". They don't give any examples, or sites that do that, they simply assert this, and then have the article wander on to a history of mp3s.

Horrific teenage sex? Have any of these people EVER visited a porn site? If the pictures are that "horrific", it's probably something you'd have to pay an arm and a leg for given some of the strange "tastes" that are out there. Can anybody think of a single good reason why a site would want to FORCE you to look at porn before you could get MP3s? The only thing I can think of is banner ads that are a bit lewd, and I'm sure we've all seen a lot of seedy banner ads, but never ones that had "horrific teenage sex".

Is this just a ploy on the part of recording companies to convince parents that if their child has any mp3s on his drive that he must be becoming a morally depraved pervert? Jeez, if that were true, I would have been blind LONG ago. :)

I guess though, if you can't attack the consumers of the material your against, (i.e. the kids downloading MP3s) then you can attack those who have control over the consumers.

It's this type of misinformation and ignorance mixed with a healthy dose of dishonesty and selfish corporate interest that gives some large corporations the appearance of being chicken shit money grubbing scumfucks.

Now, I'd love to rant on for 10 pages about how diffusion of responsibility and passing the buck leads to unethical business decisions and press releases, but I guess I'm just content to take the 50 point karma hit that I'm already in for.

We call that "spewing buzzword effect" (1)

Coutal (98822) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576759)

that's what happens when you mix limited understanding of concept and knowledge of terminology.
good for laugh, really.
perhaps they linked 'mp3' with mpeg? but i still don't see how that ends up in 'forcing' users to do anything...
"the GPLing of the rtsp mpeg streaming causes a general IQ fault at the slot inserted between the chair and the keyboard. change IQ, re-insert user and try again"

But there is a connection, honest ! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576760)

Microsoft products, porn and mp3's are responsible for the amazing growth in disk capacity. One wonders why the article didn't mention that there was a connection between Microsoft and porn ?

Re:Are they taking about the forced banner clickin (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576761)

Could be... but I'd say that if you're looking for warez, the first rule is that it won't be online... you'll click those links until the end of your days and not find what you're looking for (or, well.. maybe you will).

I think that these people are monumentally stupid if they think they're being "forced" to do anything - there are easier ways to get what you're looking for.

With mp3's, use something like napster [napster.com] , or mp3 usenet newsgroups [binary.sounds.mp3] . If you're looking for warez, IRC or alt.binary.*.

Internet - WARNING: Use of fully-functional brain required during use of this product. Working with Internet without a fully-functional brain may lead to needlessly viewing pr0n, or mindlessly clicking through the yahoo directory searching for nothing in particular.

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Actually a reasonable thought process (4)

brandonrhodes (23375) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576762)

Hemos said:

I can't even imagine the thought process that leads people to say things like that.

Actually, having to click on banner ads before entering MP3 sites is quite common.

Try looking up a popular song on Palavista [palavista.com] and see how many of the listed sites let you in immediately. Very often the user name and password required for downloading files are chosen from the text of sites linked through banner ads; so you have to visit the sites (and usually click through to their sign-up page) before logging on. Very often these banners are pornographic, perhaps because such firms are not as picky as to who they permit to advertize them.

In this way illicit MP3 sites finance themselves, since simply displaying a banner ad often generates no banner revenue. Apparently the biggest difficulty in running such a site is trying to avoid 100% click-through ratios, as they tend to attract the attention and suspicion of banner advertizement firms.

Tabloid sensationalism (2)

substrate (2628) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576763)

What the article refers to are the many sites that require you to click on banner adds, usually pornographic but not always, in order to piece together a password to access 3l33t w4r3z and MP3. It wasn't exactly hidden in the article seeing as it was mentioned in the second paragraph. The article should've stopped there unfortunately.

The British Phonographic Industry then did a few hits of acid and through some unmentioned convolution of logic blames music piracy on organized crime.

The commentary by the BPI is sensationalistic, its designed to influence Joe Luddite consumer into buying into their party line. Its trying to convince them that piracy isn't just illegal, its backed by evil groups.

They'd have been better off using a different angle: Illegally distributing copies of our music is illegal, but not only are these people doing that they're also making money off of it.

It's common practice actually (2)

grappler (14976) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576764)

You see it most on hotline sites. It goes like this:

Pick up some mp3 trackers for hotline, search 'mp3', and you get a big list of hotline servers. Usually they're run by some guy in a college dorm. Log onto Joe's server, and you'll get a message that says something to the effect of "You are logged in as a guest. To download files, you need a password. To get the password, visit my homepage at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ip address and click on the second banner. The tenth word on the resulting page is the password."

So they get income that way. And then the user downloads a bunch of music and moves on to the next one.

--
grappler

Re:Put adfu.blockstackers.com 127.0.0.1 in /etc/ho (1)

Roundeye (16278) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576765)

I have been annoyed for a number of years now at the self-righteousness of the digital Madison Avenues: "If you don't click-through then your favorite websites will be forced to charge subscriptions." This is one of the arguments against mass-filtering of ads (I wrote a 40-line ad filter proxy server in Perl two years ago -- but I didn't feel like taking the time to keep the ad server list updated, and would sometimes forget to run it (hassle)).

The reality is: if you were to make it easy for any and everyone to filter out all ads on all web pages, yes, some sites would suffer and probably go out of business. But if there is a demand for the service they provided someone will come up with a free (non subscription) version of the site and a way to get it funded. There are plenty of subscription sites out there and having been on the Internet since the late 80's, and on the web obsessively since about '94 I don't subscribe to ANY of them. There's always a free site, and there always will be. If it comes right down to it I will donate to a free site to keep it free if it is truly useful (google comes to mind).

Advertisers are doing noone but themselves a favor. Banner ads are generally exploitation. Think about how much bandwidth is used per day just delivering banner ads. And we get (I do for sure) pent up about how much spam costs in a network model...

Yet another attempt to shut down MP3 sites (1)

avij (105924) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576766)

Those popup windows are good for training your mouse hand.. Imagine a situation when a site decides that it'd be a good time to open some 15 new windows on your desktop -- how quickly can you close them? Kind of like playing some shoot'em up game :) And the funniest part is, some of those windows have code in them to spawn yet another window when they're closed, so the fun (or pain, rather) never stops..

But seriously, how much do those porn sites pay for placing an ad on your page? I guess it's easy money for the site owners -- you can get free webspace for MP3s and all you have to do is to check the links once in a while. Say, a site gets 500 hits a day, giving some $0.05 each => $25 a day, some $750 a month. Most people wouldn't do that for a living, but people with small income might consider that as an option.. I can understand why some people do that.

I wonder if this "Porn - MP3" article has something to do with the news item I found today at ZDNet, Music execs threaten to kill MP3 sites [zdnet.com] . This time they're trying to organize a global campaign for shutting down MP3 sites -- no word about the methods they're going to use, though..

Uninformed comments on uninformed comments (1)

Shadarr (11622) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576767)

Actually, according to a (fairly) recent study, the web is over 90% commercial sites, and less than 5% porn. Porn made the web what it is, but it doesn't own it anymore.

Re:I think what they are refering to.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576768)

i have experienced something similar to this-was looking for mp3 sites and got bombarded with porn banner adds and the mini-site windows that pop up in explorer. the problem i had, aside from being routed to these sites instead of an mp3 site, was the fact that clicking back only reloaded the pages, and clicking the "x" made only some of them go away-others just shrunk. i wound up having to close explorer completely....was kinda frustrating....

Re:How... interesting. (1)

farrellj (563) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576769)

Yes, but *we* are The Evil Genius's for a Better Tomorrow, and we will win against the stupid bean-counters in the music industry. Music is too much "Big Business", and we finally have an alternative to it, the Internet.

ttyl
Farrell

Junkbuster is more effective. (1)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576771)

I just installed Junkbuster, and it's *sweet*. It replaces the ads a 1x1 transparent GIF image, and it blocks the adds on most sites that I visit.

Re:It's not THAT crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576773)

Yes... we should go after the crack dealers who make their poor customers walk through their brothel in the front to get to the back room with the drugs.

What?! Are we saying that it would otherwise be OK for people to distribute illegal software if the 'key' were stored on a more family oriented site? You're already committing a crime, what's a little pornography going to hurt?

I _really_ hope our society hasn't degraded to the point where we need to feel bad that criminals should be protected from 'indecent' material while they're committing their crimes.

-Derek

So what're they gonna do about it? (2)

grappler (14976) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576774)

Are they so concerned about the porn that they'll work to make mp3s easier to get, so that people won't have to look at those "horrifying" pictures?

That would be interesting...

--
grappler

Re:mp3 download experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576777)

What I don't understand, is why the porn site keep paying them.

Well, one has to wonder why there are pr0n sites at all, and how (nevermind why) they can pay for the ads. And there's only one conclusion: it must work. Somebody is actually giving their credit card # to the pr0n sites, instead of getting their pr0n for free from alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.* like the rest of us.

It's Actually Just the Opposite (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576784)

I've found that my normal porn outlets are now forcing me to listen to MP3s and I'm just hopping mad. In fact, if I have to listen to Britany Spears one more time (ack!) while trying to download pics from Pornopolis UK I'm gonna snap!

Re:I'm going to the wrong mp3 sites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576785)

Most of the ones that they're referring to (presumably) are ones that distribute warez as well. It's not such an uncommon phenomenon; usually, though, the sites are primarily warez sites that happen to carry a few MP3s as well. the hippie graphics are usually on the pure MP3 sites....^_^

Heeeeeeeeeeeere we go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576786)

Profiling again.
"Warning! All mp3 collectors are perverts that look at teenage x-rated pictures."

Has the music industry gone insane? (0)

catseye (96076) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576787)

Let me get this straight.

By downloading illegally-distributed music in MP3 format, I may be forced to watch to harrowing scenes of pert-breasted, small-nosed, ripe, nubile teenaged nymphettes, engaged in delightfully vigorous acts of coitus, all in the comfort of my office, server closet or budoir?

Once again, for clarity -- this is a problem... how?

(IT'S A JOKE, relax.)

-A.

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Re:How... interesting. (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576788)

You *could* say that. But unless he asks for the URL you're still out a job. :)

--

The article is not the problem... (2)

Anm (18575) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576789)

Sheesh, peoples...

By the looks of the comments here, it seems the readers of slashdot are as quick to post a flaming critism of the article as the BPI is to denounce MP3s.

THE ARTICLE IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!

The article is not the problem!! The views or organization like the BPI and the RIAA. Theis article, is only reporting on them. And if you read the article, you'lll realize they are also reporting on BECAUSE they too think it is alittle absurd. I mean, just look at the title:

DOWNLOADING MP3S WILL
MAKE YOU GO BLIND, WARN BPI

And their talk-back link:

"Is this the big labels running scared and looking for a scapegoat? Have you ever been forced to witness "horrific scenes of teenage sex" while downloading Mp3 files? Was it good for you?"

Re:The article is not the problem... (1)

Anm (18575) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576790)

and I should learn to proof read...

Organized Crime? (1)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576791)

"It has always been the case that piracy has links with pornographers and organised crime. What is most repellent about this is that it is likely to attract the younger user." -- Emma Fanning of BPI

Hrmm, so now by downloading mp3's you're a pornographer and part of the mob? heh. What exactly is she saying here? That crime bosses are luring new recruits into the family by offering them mp3's as candy? Thats pretty heavy. I think this is a really large smear/FUD campaign which is backfiring pretty badly. I'd hate to be part of BPI's PR crowd right now.

-- iCEBaLM

To many, it's all the same... (1)

Mr_Plow (30965) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576792)

Ever been to a hotline site?
It's all pr0n, war3z and mp3's, d00d!
The kind of time commitment required to collect thousands of pirated MP3's and hundreds upon hundreds of pirated software programs (most of which will never get installed... but the kids have to have the newest version of LightWave... JUST IN CASE) prevents warez collectors from actually leaving the house and getting a life, or getting a date here and there. The pr0n replaces the warez d00d'z need to go out and meet chicks.

Before the warez d00dz get on my case, let me say that this is my theory, and I could be wrong.
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spelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576793)

What can you say about an article that can't even spell search, or perhaps use a spell checker.

Well then... (2)

zi0n (106791) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576803)

I think that the Porn sitez should fight back by posting tons O' mp3's on there site, tricking those perverts into listening to Engelbert Humperdink and Yani. ;) The year 2000 porn warz... duh nuh duh nuh.. weee oooo.

What!? (1)

Rabbins (70965) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576804)

Porn on the WEB!!???

... I am cancelling my ISP.

It's not THAT crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576805)

MOST mp3 / warez sites make you look at porn before you can download. No joke. In order to get the key, you need to click a banner which inevitably leads to a big old porn site and then retrieve a secret password in order to get any goods.

The Brits are right.

Horny teens, MP3s and the BPI (5)

Enoch Root (57473) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576806)

Well, that's a nice piece of, as Granny Weatherfax would say, 'headology' on the part of the BPI. It doesn't make sense at first glance, but let's see what they mean...

Clearly they want to hunt down illegal MP3 sites, and since they can't get people to agree it's a dangerous activity, they're using a bit of collateral damage. It's the same argument being used against, for instance, pot and prostitution. (Disclaimer: I'm not defending nor promoting either, just observing.)

Whereas many people say pot is not bad for your health and not intrinsictly dangerous, the main argument used by the police to crack down on pot is that it leads to other criminal activities. You're smoking pot? Well, you'll probably snort cocaine in the long run. And you're encouraging criminal groups that commit worse crimes because of it.

Never mind that it's a bit of circular logic.

Anyway... It's true. If you're looking for a few "illegal" MP3 and enter "MP3z" in any good search engine, you'll run into sites (sorry, sitez) who also have a lot of warez, and plenty of "passwordz" for porn sites. You'll also get so many sex banners you may as well go blind.

It's really just incidental. What it shows is that people willing to distribute copyrighted MP3s are the same crowd that distribute pr0n passwordz and cracked software. Come on, admit it. I'm not generalising, but on the whole, it happens a lot.

So... We're back to the whole collateral damage argument. It's hard to argue that free music is damaging in itself, so the BPI has to find another easy target. So they latch unto a well-known enemy likely to cause public outrage. Pornography.

And voila. Looking for MP3s makes you see a lot of porn.

Nice FUD, eh?

"Knowledge = Power = Energy = Mass"

Don't count it out yet... (2)

generic-man (33649) | more than 14 years ago | (#1576807)

Many sites dealing in illegal (copyright-wise) material will ask you to click porn banners or succumb to wave after wave of JavaScript popup ads. I remember coming into my room last summer to find windows recursively opening more windows, all pornographic. My roommate insists that he was just trying to get some Nintendo and Genesis ROMs, and I felt compelled to believe him.

Personally, I'm more appalled by sites that 'force' you to join pyramid money-making schemes like AllAdvantage or GoToWorld (or both, in some cases!) Apparently people are obsessed with making five bucks a month off of every sucker who wants MP3's. More power to 'em, but count me out of this. (Besides, in my typical nonconformist style, most ad-viewing proggies are Windows-only, and I can't run them.)

Re:Are they taking about the forced banner clickin (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1576808)

actually, this is quite a successful scam that I used for about 4 months.

I used to run a hotline server (yes, I was one of those that give us all a bad name).

Anyway, I set up an account with a company named Safe-Audit [safe-audit.com] which would let you set up banner accounts that pay up to $1 and $2 per successful registration... most of them paid out an average of $15 per 1000 page views.

What I would do is let people log into my hotline server anonymously and look around, but they weren't able to download anything unless they got the username and password. These could only be acquired by going to a page that I designated (anonymous web hosting of course), clicking through the banner, and then signing up for a free contest or something, and then on the confirmation page, there would be two words that would be the username and password.

of course, the people never really had to input the correct information, they just had to sign up. If I found that too many people were getting in by passing around the username and password, I'd change them once a week which would require everyone that had already signed up to do it again.

I made about $8k in 3 months with about 1.5 gigs of prOn movies, some beta software releases, and a few mp3's.

And yes, the company paid out until they started questioning why hundreds of people were going to my stupid homepage and the amounts of click-thrus were almost identical to the # of page visits...

but yes, it was a nice, successful little scam, and unlike that poor guy in coloroda, I made money and wasn't jailed for it.

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