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China Treats Internet Addiction Very Seriously

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the glad-i-don't-live-in-china dept.

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eldavojohn writes "China has taken new extremes in preventing internet addiction in youths and is even offering boot camps to parents who want their child weaned from the electric teat. The article notes that 'no country has gone quite as far as China in embracing the theory that heavy Internet use should be defined as a mental disorder and mounting a public crusade against Internet addiction.' The article mentions the story of Sun Jiting who 'spends his days locked behind metal bars in this military-run installation, put there by his parents. The 17-year-old high school student is not allowed to communicate with friends back home, and his only companions are psychologists, nurses and other patients. Each morning at 6:30, he is jolted awake by a soldier in fatigues shouting, "This is for your own good!"' Sun found himself spending 15 hours or straight on the internet. Thanks to his parents' intervention and the treatment, he now has life mapped out until he's 84. "

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This just in... (4, Funny)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#18167972)

Youth engaging in self destructive addictive behavior. News at 11:00.

-Rick

Re:This just in... (3, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168066)

Youth engaging in self destructive addictive behavior.

Am not!

Just because I know this story has been duped twice [slashdot.org] before [slashdot.org] does not mean I'm an addict!

[...]

What? Why are you looking at me like that?

Follow up... (0, Offtopic)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168444)

AKAImBatman's parents, in a fit of desperation, have turned to the state government for assistance in raising their kin. Hilarity expected soon. Stay tuned for details.

-Rick

Why simply spell checking won't cut it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168540)

Poster wanted "wean" here, not "ween"

wean 1 |w?n| verb [ trans. ] accustom (an infant or other young mammal) to food other than its mother's milk. accustom (someone) to managing without something on which they have become dependent or of which they have become excessively fond : the doctor tried to wean her off the sleeping pills.

ween |w?n| verb [ intrans. ] archaic be of the opinion; think or suppose : he, I ween, is no sacred personage.

Re:This just in... (1)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168826)

There is a difference between a dupe and expanded coverage. The original articles were about the facilities, while this article shows the life of someone who is actually there.

Re:This just in... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168902)

It was a joke. Relax. :)

Re:This just in... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168472)

Youth engaging in self destructive addictive behavior. News at 11:00.

No, masturbation does not make you blind.

Way off topic don't bother wasting yr mod points (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18167988)

Anybody else see the "dating" ad that appeared on /. today? I don't know who anybody is trying to kid...

Re:Way off topic don't bother wasting yr mod point (-1, Offtopic)

metlin (258108) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168172)

Geeks need love too, dammit!

Re:Way off topic don't bother wasting yr mod point (0, Offtopic)

Zonk (troll) (1026140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168270)

That's what Amanda Tapping blow up dolls are for...

Sounds about right (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18167994)

Old communism and new communism still have one thing in common: reeducation of deviants and defining any 'social' problem as a mental disorder that they can treat/imprison you for.

Re:Sounds about right (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168108)

In communist China... the internet surfs you!

Re:Sounds about right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168156)

So the U.S. is a Communist country because it would prefer people who spend all their money on drugs to the neglect of the people around them should spend some time in rehab?

Re:Sounds about right (4, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168168)

From TFA: > Each morning at 6:30, he is jolted awake by a soldier in fatigues shouting, "This is for your own good!"'

'Smith!' screamed the shrewish voice from the telescreen. '6079 Smith W.! Yes, you! Bend lower, please! You can do better than that. You're not trying. Lower, please! That's better, comrade. Now stand at ease, the whole squad, and watch me.'

> Thanks to his parents' intervention and the treatment, he now has life mapped out until he's 84.

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

And as long as I'm on an Orwell kick today, "the Slashdotters looked from TFA to the dystopian science fiction novel, and from the dystopian science fiction novel to TFA, and from TFA to the dystopian science fiction article again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Re:Sounds about right (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168186)

Old communism and new communism still have two things in common: reeducation of deviants, defining any 'social' problem as a mental disorder that they can treat/imprison you for, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope. Oh damn!

Re:Sounds about right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168514)

Troll?? Oh come on! this is classic!

Re:Sounds about right (1)

happy*nix (587057) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168298)

Truly scary.

I wonder when it will be implemented here in the good ole US of A ?
I mean we certainly can't let the world think that China takes better care of it's citizens than we do.

-sigh-

Human Rights Watch: Abuse of Psychiatry in China (4, Interesting)

reporter (666905) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168366)

According to a report [hrw.org] issued by Human Rights Watch in 2006 March 17, "The systematic abuse of psychiatry for political purposes in China became internationally known in late 1999, when large numbers of Falungong practitioners were reportedly interned in psychiatric hospitals. However, experts have long asserted that political abuse of psychiatry in China includes among its victims several other main target groups. In August 2002, GIP and HRW jointly published a 298-page report, 'Dangerous Minds: Political Psychiatry in China Today and its Origins in the Mao Era', which detailed China's extensive use of psychiatric detention as a means of silencing political dissidents, spiritual nonconformists, trade union activists, whistleblowers, and others. The report estimated that since the early 1980s more than 3,000 people had been incarcerated on such grounds."

One political dissident in China was imprisoned for 13 years in a psychiatric hospital.

That the Chinese government imprisons an Internet addict at the request of his own parents should surprise no one. The Chinese, not merely the government, regularly abuse psychiatry to achieve social or political goals.

The Chinese entity that is psychologically ill is not the Internet addict, the political dissident, or the other victims improperly imprisoned for supposed psychological problems.

Rather, the Chinese entity that is psychologically ill is Chinese society itself.

Re:Human Rights Watch: Abuse of Psychiatry in Chin (1)

jahudabudy (714731) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168658)

It isn't political psychiatry in the sense that it is used to further political power, but the basic idea [washingtonpost.com] of using psychiatry as an end run around law to get rid of undesirables is not just a symptom of Chinese society.

Re:Sounds about right (3, Insightful)

bunions (970377) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168372)

yes, thank god something like this could never happen in America, right?

Re:Sounds about right (0, Flamebait)

melikamp (631205) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168426)

Old communism and new communism still have one thing in common
Namely, they are both called "communism" despite the fact that the countries that are spoken of are collectivist and authoritarian regimes, usually dictatorships, but falling short of that, oligarchies. Wake me up when there is a major country with (1) but a single class and (2) the means of production being equally shared among everyone.

Sounds about right (-1, Troll)

dave420 (699308) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168460)

People making massive generalisations about communism, a system encompassing billions of people, from a few isolated incidents. Did you know someone was killed in the US last year? That means all Americans are murderers, and America is forever destined to live out its existence as a country full of murderers. Remember that not too long ago, the US deemed homosexuality a mental disorder, one you could be punished or forcefully treated for having. Next time don't listen to your Dad bang on about the red menace so much. I know he's your Dad, and surely a straight-up guy, but he's not right.

Re:Sounds about right (-1, Troll)

benzapp (464105) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168492)

Funny though how the imprisonment rate in China is far less than the US.

Perhaps re-education is better than just locking up your problem minorities and throwing away the key.

Re:Sounds about right (5, Insightful)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168498)

We are more advanced. Instead of putting them in jail we diagnose our kids as ADD and give them drugs.

Re:Sounds about right (4, Insightful)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168500)

Don't kid yourself.

My co-worker in the US did this to his daughter for 18 months when she started running away. There's a large facility with a capacity for 500 "students" in this city. They "reeducate" the kids. Sound familiar?

He paid a lot of money and she was basically brainwashed back to a safe mental state (honestly- she was headed down a self destructive bad road).

Parents have large amounts of freedom to brainwash their children until those children move out.

This obviously works quite well (5, Funny)

thousandinone (918319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168000)

From TFA: "Sun looks forward to returning to school and getting on with his life. The first task on his agenda when he gets home: Get online. He needs to tell his worried Internet friends where he was these past few weeks." Obviously he is totally cured of his "internet addiction..."

Re:This obviously works quite well (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168060)

Yeah, that kind of treatment seems like it'll cause more problems than it'll help.

I like the comments from Tao in there. He seems to have a better idea on how to handle the situation, I hope he gets a chance to try his way.

In plain english: to get them off the internet, we gotta get them laid.

Re:This obviously works quite well (1)

Reziac (43301) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168276)

I agree about Tao. Whatever is wrong with the rest of the program, this guy obviously groks that "internet addiction" is a symptom of deeper issues, not an isolated syndrome in itself.

Re:This obviously works quite well (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168362)

I'm not sure, but the article seems to place him more as an independant (or competative) critic, rather than a part of the program.

Just a thought (5, Insightful)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168004)

Spending 15 hours on the internet at a time might be a normal reaction to living in an extremely oppressive society.

Re:Just a thought (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168072)

Well, you could always take Lunesta, the drug to calm the restless mind... But by the same token, with all the shit going on in the world today, it's the people who aren't restless who have problems.

Re:Just a thought (3, Insightful)

andreasg (1010787) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168080)

Living in an oppressive society doesn't prevent meaningful social relationships with other humans. While you might be able to discuss your hopes and thoughts on the society freely on the internet, I doubt that was what he used his 15 hours a day for. China is known to have a lot of problems with online gaming, for example the Chinese version of World of Warcraft limits the playing time each day.

Re:Just a thought (1)

Remus Shepherd (32833) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168436)

Living in an oppressive society certainly does affect your social relationships. You cannot talk about any activities that deviate from the norm (like obsessive gaming) for fear of being reported. You cannot ask for help or show illness for fear of being ground under the wheel of the system. You cannot find others with whom you might relate, because they're all hiding as well.

Think of how a satanist or pedophile might feel, living in America today. That's how a gamer (or democrat!) lives in China. Where's the line -- what kinds of obsessions should society accept, and what kinds should be shunned?

Re:Just a thought (1)

Explodicle (818405) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168520)

In America we have laws protecting the rights of Satanists and public Satanist organizations, so I don't think that's a very good analogy.

Re:Just a thought (1)

Southpaw018 (793465) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168702)

Yes, and we also have several states that require belief in a Christianish version of God in order to hold public office, and one state that requires it as a prerequisite for equal protection under the law.

Just because the principle of this country is freedom doesn't mean that freedom always exists. People have spent every waking breath fighting for them since the Constitution was signed.

Re:Just a thought (1)

Remus Shepherd (32833) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168800)

In America we have laws protecting the rights of homosexuals. Yet there are still places where you can be hanged as one.

You have a good point that much of the oppression in China is institutionalized in their system of government, while in America oppression mostly arises from cultural influences. But that only supports my point about socialization being difficult for deviants, and that China is a very, very bad place to deviate from the norm.

Re:Just a thought (3, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168212)

Spending 15 hours on the internet at a time might be a normal reaction to living in an extremely oppressive society.

Have you ever been to China? Authoritarian countries are usually never perceived by all or even most of their citizens to be truly "oppressive", only a minority of people notice problems with the system and express their frustrations in counter-cultural ways. Notice how even in the darkest days of the Soviet Union the average person didn't think things were that bad, asserting even that people who saw problems were subversives or nutjobs, and today many people look back on such times fondly. The problem with Internet addiction in China cuts across the youth population in such a way that you cannot blame in on simple frustration with the system.

Re:Just a thought (1)

thousandinone (918319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168452)

Case in point, North Korea. The average citizen is a KJI fanboy. Of course, they're brought up with propaganda from infancy, but still...

Re:Just a thought (2, Insightful)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168536)

And notice even in the darkest days of the 1950's in the US, folks didn't think it was that bad. The only people who saw problems were subversives and commies.

Thank god for the baby boom- at least it blew things loose for a little while but now I fear the aging baby boom is going to get really repressive.

Re:Just a thought (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168430)

My living in a democracy must be why I've only done 8 hr sessions.

Tagged: excessive (5, Insightful)

WillDraven (760005) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168018)

Seriously, I understand how internet addiction can take over your life, but being put in a penal institution is not the answer. And mapping out your life until you're 84? You've just had something else take over your life instead. Not much of an improvement in my opinion.

Re:Tagged: excessive (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168094)


And mapping out your life until you're 84? You've just had something else take over your life instead. Not much of an improvement in my opinion.

His life plan:

Age 17-23: School
Age 23-84: Work in factory making crap for WalMart.

Re:Tagged: excessive (2)

GiovanniZero (1006365) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168162)

Oh that's silly. We've managed to replace a dangerous, degenerative addiction with a close association to the party and it's principles. Surely these will serve him well for the rest of his life. Thank goodness we have the techniques to help these individuals see the benefits of full party support!



Reminds me of 1984, they always love the party in the end.

And then? (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168370)

I wonder what his 85th birthday party will be like.

Internet: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168024)

Internet: Serious Business.

I live in the Twin Cities... (2, Insightful)

mikecardii (978929) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168028)

And saw this article in the paper the other day. It caught my attention, and frankly, it disturbs me to my core. I won't deny that it's possible to become addicted to the internet, but the extremes to which some of this clinics go is very disturbing. I don't think that these kids should be treated like they're addicted to drugs.

Re:I live in the Twin Cities... (1)

Don_dumb (927108) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168458)

I don't think that these kids should be treated like they're addicted to drugs.
I agree, they should be treated as if they are addicted to books, newspapers, radio and television.
I would consider 15 hours a day of the above, normal. Far more normal than living in a prison and being prevented from seeing or talking to your friends.

Re: Swapping Internet for Drugs (1)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168664)

From TFA:

Led by Tao Ran, a military researcher who built his career by treating heroin addicts, the clinic uses a tough-love approach that includes counseling, military discipline, drugs, hypnosis and mild electric shocks.

Yea... cause we all know the cure sounds far better than the cancer

China is right to take this seriously (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168038)

Many of these internet addictions lead to suffering a bullet-related death.

Re:China is right to take this seriously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168558)

Actually, I don't think this should be modded as funny. It seems about right. Suicide becomes an option when the person feels they are out of control and have no way out. Addiction feels like that. At some point, the addiction (alcohol, drugs, pr0n, gambling, food, etc) makes the person do things they no longer want to do. And they can't NOT do it. AA and other 12-steps programs work because they give a person options and tools so they do not HAVE to do this behavior. It's not about will power, it's about treating an illness.

Before we get all high and mighty (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168040)

This reminds me of the drug treatment programs where teens were incarcerated in the US. They were much more popular in the late 80s and early 90s. The one we had locally, "Straight, Inc." used to advertise on TV all the time. There were cases of kids getting caught with a joint once and being sent there, mixed in with hardcore addicts and becoming more addicted off stuff smuggled in. Either that, or they were just isolated and abused. These companies were scandalized and faded into the background, AFAIK they may still be there.

It's not just kids (2, Interesting)

Wrexs0ul (515885) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168528)

This is a raging debate in modern penal and support systems about whether the punishment/treatment does more harm than good. I'm sure you've heard someone say before that sending a first-time offender to prison only connects them with hardened, experienced criminals to learn from, and that's often the case. When inmates get out of prison they're not penitent for their crimes: they're smarter about how not to get caught next time.

On the other hand how can we address problems like this? Some people need monitored care, but outside of someone taking direct and personal responsibility for the individual we just can't do better than insitutionalizing someone right now.

Unless, you know, direct and personal responsibility for youth = parenting. But that's a can of worms I'm sure nobody wants to address.

Re:Before we get all high and mighty (4, Interesting)

WolfWalker545 (960367) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168640)

Oh, they're still there. They've expanded beyond drug treatment claims to include 'behavior issues', but aren't staffed or licensed to deal with either. They usually get around that by claiming to be boarding schools, but then they frequently don't meet the licensing requirements to be schools, either. They now call themselves Therapeutic Boarding Schools for 'troubled teens'. If you look at the tactics they use for dealing with the kids, most of them fit in with what I was taught about brainwashing in North Korean and Vietnamese POW camps. It's no real surprise that a lot of the survivors of these programs wind up displaying PTSD later. A friend was sent to one of these places basically because she had problems getting along with her stepfather, one of her classmates there committed suicide not long ago (and it's certainly messed her up some, but she's coming to deal with it. Of course, one of the issues between her and her stepfather is that she's attracted to other women...)

It's not weened (0, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168048)

It's weaned. Don't use words you don't understand. Or that the slashdot "editors" don't understand.

It's also "parents'" and not "parent's". The former is plural possessive. The latter is singular possessive.

Since the slashdot editors will not edit, I guess someone else is going to have to do it. Pity we can't edit the actual story submission, and have to content ourselves with providing corrections here.

I think the word you mean is weanie (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168082)

As in "That grammer nazi sure is a weanie".

Re:It's not weened (-1, Offtopic)

TrappedByMyself (861094) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168148)

It's OpenSource journalism. Why check for accuracy when someone else will do it for me?

Re:It's not weened (0, Offtopic)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168394)

I'd mod you up if I could.

You are addicted to penises (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168222)

Please consult a clinic or join a Christian group for help.

Re:It's not weened (0, Offtopic)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168228)

It's weaned. Don't use words you don't understand. Or that the slashdot "editors" don't understand.
To be fair, I think they understood the meaning of the word. It was simply misspelled.

Re:It's not weened (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168450)

Why be anal? (It is a blog)

PS. I'd like to coin the term "pedantic remandoism" for this type of activity (since it happens at least once in every blog thread).

We all know what "pedantic" means. And "Remando" is latin for, "to send back word". (Itself a case of double entendre since it can be taken as a pun more or less, or, as in this case, a reply.) - SBM

Re:It's not weened (0, Offtopic)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168462)

Blame the popularity of the band "Ween"

Re:It's not weened (0, Offtopic)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168572)

I see the problem to but it's two late to loose your temper over some thing tervial like that.

Re:It's not weened (1)

SnotBob (970745) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168638)

Go easy on them. They're Slashdot editors. It's not like they've seen boobs lately.

Re:It's not weened (0, Offtopic)

black inc. (1069256) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168740)

If you are going to complain about someone's grammar, make sure to check your own. "have to content ourselves with providing corrections here" is not a complete sentence; therefore, you should not have placed a comma before "and".

Re:It's not weened (1, Funny)

swingerman (29475) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168834)

I used to be like you. I would try to help out by correcting usage, grammar, spelling, and punctuation.


But now I'm cured. After 6 months in a penal facility run by the military and being awakened to a sergeant shouting that "it's for [my] own good," I now accept the fact that people are going to butcher usage, grammar, spelling, and punctuation. I am now at peace with that fact. Now, have the courage I did. Go to your local chapter of "Curing Grammar Obsessiveness" and get cured yourself. Hopefully no one will smuggle in a copy of Strunk & White or the Chicago Manual of Style to prolong your addiction and agony.


/s/ Your Brother in Proper Usage

Oblig. Futurama quote (1, Funny)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168076)

"Bender, what are you doing in the bathroom? Are you jacking on in there?"

Holy Fsck! (3, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168086)

Okay - I understand that sometimes a kid can get more than just a little involved with computers (Hell, I remember a period of time as an ADULT when I spent nearly every waking non-work hour online playing Quake or Counter-Strike), but like anyone, they get past it, they move on.

If it starts to be an actual detriment (not eating, not sleeping, etc), okay - I can see the need for intervention. Still, this one makes me queasy a bit.

Why? Well, what about the requirements to be declared "addicted"? Isn't there a danger that safeguards could be tossed, and it would eventually boil down to just someone else's subjective opinion? Hell of a way to be got rid of in a hurry by a disgruntled low-level gov't worker, a pissed-off friend, etc. Anywhere else on the planet okay - I could understand that there would be a due process. But in a country which still prosecutes (and I quote) "hooliganism" (which can mean whatever they want it to mean), and lock dissidents up for years on end? Sounds like just an updated and modernized excuse to shut up anyone who makes the gov't feel uncomfortable.

/P

Re:Holy Fsck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168272)

I spend upwards of 17 hours a day on the computer, Im not always on the internet, im mostly playing games, but even in my games I can chat with my friends, not that I always do.

I think, most of my time on the "internet" is just me in love with my computer, I don't really care what I do with the computer,as long as I am on it.

Par for the course buddy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168446)

Keep in mind the country this is in.

This is a country where people get "disappeared" all the time for saying the wrong thing or acting the wrong way.

This is intense (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168110)

I went to treatment when I was younger (for drugs), we had five year plans and such. We had a rating system where you're level 1-3 (for outpatient, level 4 is mandatory inpatient). Then if you had a serious drug addiction to say heroin you could by rights take an option to farm pigs in Alaska as a treatment option. We considered this rather extreme and was usually scheduled for 6-12 months. My addiction at 19 was a six year addiction to pot, meth, alcohol, lsd, mushrooms, cocaine, and opium (ordered by preference). Because, I didn't have any felonies I was considered a level 3 maximum outpatient required. This kid is worse off than the pig farmers for playing video games? I don't really get it and planning out to the age of 84 seems to be a setup for failure, I seem to think he's just trying to stay off of the 3rd floor.

For Your Own Good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168128)

Reminds me of a bad acid trip where everyone was connected directly to the internet. And we were all big fat slobs scarfing down McDonalds while browsing through more pr0n, goatse and ugly media in 10 minutes than a human psyche is meant to handle in a lifetime. Hoses are all connected taking care of bodily functions, no need to move. One for piss, one for shit and one to collect and dump your DNA right into a swirling pool of filth where it belongs.

For fuck's sake. Save yourself. Go outside!

Compulsive behavior is not bad--just the Internet? (5, Insightful)

liam193 (571414) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168152)

Thanks to his parent's intervention and the treatment, he now has life mapped out until he's 84.


Okay, let me get this straight. "Thanks to his parent's intervention and the treatment, he now has [replaced one compulsive behavior for another]." The need to organize your life 50+ years into the future is not far from the compulsion to spend 15 hours a day on the Internet. In fact, I would maintain that it is potentially a more destructive behavior.

Pathologizing dissent (2, Interesting)

Brunellus (875635) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168160)

Would seem to fit into the PRC's pattern of taking 'deviant' thought and pathologizing it. Now, instead of re-education camps, internet 'addicted' youths are treated with all the care and compassion the Party can muster.

I'll bet my last yuan renminbi that this will be used to lock up bloggers and other people with similar internet 'addictions.' Surely you must be addicted if your jones for information has you circumventing the Great Firewall of China, right?

Internet addiction? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168170)

Saying "Internet Addiction" is like saying "Ethernet addiction". It means nothing.

What is this guy doing for 15 hours? Is he chatting with friends? Young kids spend hours on the telephone before and this wasn't telephone addiction. Sure communication is better now, but simple chat rooms existed for modem users 20+ years ago. Nothing new there either.

Is this guy playing games? Is he gambling? Is he looking at porn? Is he sending emails? What is he doing for 15 hours?

The point being, the action that this person is doing online is what they are addicted to, not the network access. If you are addicted to looking at porn or playing games, for example, then that is the issue not "the Internet".

What about kids who play their playstation for hours and hours on end? Is this and addiction?

The bottom line is "the internet made me do it" is just another excuse.

In America, we program Boot Camp. (0, Offtopic)

Peter Trepan (572016) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168176)

In Socialist China, boot camp programs you!

Re:In America, we program Boot Camp. (2, Funny)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168268)

Umm, Can you just have GRUB program me instead? I'd rather not be proprietized.

/P

Re:In America, we program Boot Camp. (1)

lewp (95638) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168360)

First one of these I've gotten a laugh out of in a while. Well done.

Heck (1)

Fist! Of! Death! (1038822) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168204)

If the UK had controls that booted you from online games after 5 hours half the IT support workforce would actually have to work come 14h00...

Only 15? (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168206)

Sun found himself spending 15 hours or straight on the internet.

Pah! Lightweight! Sure, he's got to sleep four or five hours per night, but what's he doing with the rest of the time?

A Clockwork Internet (3, Insightful)

Helmholtz (2715) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168278)

Alex:
You needn't take it any further, sir. You've proved to me that all this gold farming and internets is wrong, wrong, and terribly wrong. I've learned me lesson, sir. I've seen now what I've never seen before. I'm cured! Praise god!
Dr. Brodsky:
You're not cured yet, boy.

Re:A Clockwork Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168642)

Dr.:
You're not cured yet, boy..... For you do not yet truly love big brother...

We will help you, here take this... It will make the pain more bearable....

Alex:

What pain?....... ARRRRGH! YOU MONSTER!

Dr.: Ahh yes, The treatment is going nicely. (PFZZZZZZZZT!)

Dr.: We are doing this for your own good, orderly attach these to his testicles....

Re:A Clockwork Internet (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168870)

Spot on.

That's exactly the thing that came to my mind. Dystopia, here I come. Oh, sorry. Dystopia, here I am.

"The Internet" is exactly what? (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168302)

What exactly are these "addicted" people spending their time doing? "The Internet" is a lot of things. Are they chatting all day? Writing e-mail? Reading discussion forums and posting messages? Playing online games? Reading random web pages and articles? Downloading music and software? etc. At least they were more specific than "sitting at the computer" (as in, "the computer is EVIL!!!").

Alternatives (2, Insightful)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168322)

Internet addiction really boils down to needing to fill a need. People are often drawn to a certain area of the internet for whatever reason(most likely a personal interest in something), and then become connected to the community that they found there(anonymity makes it easy). If it were not for the social networks and communities online, what would people really have to do to consume that much time a day? Sure, exceptions are around where people do just that, but as for your everyday John Doe, he would not be able to fill that time without the online communities.

The social aspect found online is the root of most internet addiction. Once people are able to fill the need to social interaction online, they are much more prone to addiction. Think of all the WOW addicts out there - They are almost all addicted to the social community, not the game itself.

To curb this addiction, you need to present alternative to the addicted person which would fill the void being created by unplugging. These people will have to get that social interaction offline, but that is easier said than done for many. They may be shy, sheltered, socially inept, or any combinations of things which yield a socially awkward person. If an alternative cannot be presented to fulfill the need for social contact which is inviting and easily available, these people trying to cure an internet addiction are doomed to relapse over and over again.

Im spending more than 14 hours on the net too (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168334)

- and making a career out of it through programming. Ah, also im meeting various capable professionals, colleagues, crazy gamers, noticeably high i.q. women.

And what those parents were wanting their children to do in future for a living - pottery ?

Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168568)

noticeably high i.q. women.

Not everybody on the 'net that claims to be female has the prerequisite equipment to make such a claim...

Ulterior Motive (4, Insightful)

KermodeBear (738243) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168336)

I believe that China takes internet 'addiction', or usage of it at all, very seriously because of the access to information it provides. Information that China would rather censor. This is a perfect excuse to indoctrinate.

Re:Ulterior Motive (1)

melikamp (631205) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168542)

That does not make sense to me. I would not expect a boy who spends 15 hours a day on the Internet to be the next MLK as the result of his addiction. Nah, they just treat it as a disease because of their strong collectivist inclinations. On their view, people who are useless to the state should be re-educated; it may be unpleasant to the individual, but the individual is nothing aprat from the state.

Re:Ulterior Motive (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168612)

Don't you know what those young kids in China do online or you are simply afraid to see what you see? P0rn and WoW.

Wow. Incredible... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168448)

I never would have thought China ... CHINA, for God's sake ... would treat it's people like THAT. It's just so hard to believe ... I mean, the egg rolls are just SOOOOO good. And the fried wontons ... awesome. You have to try the Mu Shu Chicken, too ... BEST thing I've ever eaten from a cardboard box with a little metal handle on it, EVER.

Well, all I can say is Wang Chow won't be getting any tip from me next time he delivers. Take that, you Red Menace, you.

OMFG! Communism is just like the society (1)

wiredog (43288) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168512)

laid out in Orwell's 1984! What a coincidence!

Chinese scientists can also control you in flight (1)

woohoo76 (1061970) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168532)

Anybody else see the article about them controling pidgeons in flight? Pull up Pidgeoto!!!

Soviet Russia Soviet China? (1)

Diordna (815458) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168564)

Perhaps it's time for a new joke.

How not to treat internet addiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168620)

This might be a little off-topic but it reminded me of a news article I read one morning when I was in China last summer.

A couple locked their teenage son in their own home to prevent him from sneaking out at night to internet cafes while the parents were out. There was a fire. The boy died. When they found him after the fire, the metal anti-burglary bars on their window were bent in the kid's attempt to escape. His body was found still clinging to those bars.

Re:How not to treat internet addiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168848)

> the metal anti-burglary bars on their window were bent in the kid's attempt to escape.

Anti burglary bars? Riiiiight. I smell so much BS here, I feel like I need to wipe your post off my screen with a roll of charmin. You obviously have NOT been to China. If you had, you would know it is quite communal (in every SENSE and APPLICATION of the word) And even where rich ex-pats live, there are no anti-burglary bars (just a guard or two for the compound). Travel outside along the rural parts of China and you will see most people have holes in floors for a toilet. And you wish everyone else here to believe they can afford metal bars for a house?! You, sir, need to quit reading internet folk tales and applying them as you see fit to the circumstance.

Ghost In the Shell (1)

Garrett Fox (970174) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168628)

I'm reminded of Ghost In the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex (the anime series), in which a secretive group treats kids with a form of Internet addiction. The treatment actually consists of using them to create and crack security codes.

Internet? Or Online games? (2, Insightful)

TheGreatGraySkwid (553871) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168662)

All the stories I've seen on this have just used the vague tag "Internet Addiction," but it seems like most of the individual stories I've seen described involve addiction to an online strategy or RPG game of one sort or another. This imprecision bugs me intensely, since addiction to online gaming seems like quite a different beast from, say, /. addiction.

Has anyone seen accounts of "addiction" that weren't gaming related?

WoW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18168678)

Maybe this will reduce the number of "chinese farmers"

Communists fear internet. What else is new? (1)

Simonetta (207550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168738)

So the ruling Chinese Communists fear the internet. What else is new?

Basically the more time that people spend on the internet, the more likely they are to come across a source of unfiltered news and history about the actions of the Chinese Communist party. Since all communists and fascists rely on total control of news and information sources as part of their political control, it stands to reason that any access to an uncontrolled source of news and information would be a grounds for a diagnosis of mental disorder.

    The Soviets did the same thing. The Cubans are still doing the same thing.

    If someone is fanatically using the internet in China to find a way to worm through the security systems of the US Defense Department, then they can spend 24 hours a day, 365 days a year on the net without having the slightest trace of any internet-induced mental disorder.

    The Chinese government is 100% full of shit. Just read the history of the 20th century for China, its Communist government, and the millions of lives that they have destroyed and tell me that this is not so.

Thought Crimes and thought control 101. (1)

kabocox (199019) | more than 7 years ago | (#18168926)

Um, there isn't a difference between socialist state, a police state, a religious state, or an athiest communist state. All the states want their citizens to be uniform and instinctively follow the behavior the governmental model demands. Thought control is fundmental to action action. If most of your population doesn't just think, but know that crimes are impossible to commit without either the state or god watching them, then most of your population will follow your dictates. You can actually ignore the .01% of people that actually try to think. It's usually better to funnel those people into R&D universities so those ideas are all contained in an isolated environment. All scientists and those on the science career track ought to be keep away from the general citizenry for both groups own good. The scientists should never be allowed to directly communicate to the general citizens as that might give the scientists power or disrupt the general harmony of the general population. All sciencists should be treated like scared holy virgins and never allowed to be spoken to except by a special priest or governmental official. Most governmental officals actually running things and knowning the state of the things shouldn't be allowed near the general population either. They need to be isolated just as the scientists need to be isloated.

The general population needs to stay busy, stay feed, stay happy, and most importantly stay in their mental boxes. As long as you have enough entertainers or a nice safe religion to follow, most of your population will be perfectly happy. I've left out the role of teachers and education, but that's just to setup the mental boxes on the general population and ID those that need to be funneled into science or government posts.
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