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Christian Group Prepares To Mark Wii as 'Porn Portal'

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the overstating-things-a-bit dept.

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Citing the Wii's ability to browse the internet via the Opera browser, a Christian group based out of California is planning on targeting the console with a smear campaign, Kotaku reports. The site has gotten ahold of a leaked press release from the upcoming 'Porn Talk' media event. From the release: "Like many new gaming technologies, the Wii's wireless internet capabilities make it a portal to porno. 'Parents think the computer is the only way for their kids to get porn on the internet. Unfortunately, they are dead wrong,' says Mike Foster, founder of ThePornTalk.com. 'Gaming devices like the Wii and the PSP aren't just for fun games anymore. You're able to surf the net, chat with friends, email, and view porn because of its internet access. Kids know this but parents don't!'"

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Son, what are you doing in there? (5, Funny)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172242)

"Playing with my Wii."

"Oh, ok. Carry on."

First joke!

Re:Son, what are you doing in there? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172634)

"Playing with my Wii."

"Oh, ok. Carry on."

"And what are you shaking so much?"


"I'm using the wiimote."

Wii this, Wii that... (5, Funny)

psiogen (262130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172740)

I don't see why the Wii gets so much innuendo compared to the other consoles.

"Playstation 3" sounds like a deep space brothel.

"X-Box 360" sounds like getting gang-raped by guys who ejaculate Mountain Dew.

Come on, people.

Re:Son, what are you doing in there? (5, Funny)

SDEggbert (801442) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173016)

"Playing with my Wii."

"and this new console from Nintendo is pretty cool too!"

In other news.... (5, Insightful)

Fried-Psitalon (929587) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172248)

Parent groups prepare to label real life as "violent and filled with adult-related content." ....seriously, folks. Access isn't the issue in the modern era; teaching kids good judgment is.

Re:In other news.... (4, Insightful)

RexRhino (769423) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172536)

Parent groups prepare to label real life as "violent and filled with adult-related content." ....seriously, folks. Access isn't the issue in the modern era; teaching kids good judgment is.
Yes, but in the eyes of the nannie state facists, that just means that the government needs to eliminate all adult-content from real life.

Re:In other news.... (1, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172728)

Parent groups prepare to label real life as "violent and filled with adult-related content." ....seriously, folks. Access isn't the issue in the modern era; teaching kids good judgment is.
This is a religious pressure group, you can't teach good judgement if you don't have any yourself.

Wii Portal? (0, Redundant)

SpiffyMarc (590301) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172266)

I really feel like there's an opportunity here to make a joke about Wiis, and portals, and... eh, I don't know. I think it's finally happened. I think I'm out of jokes about the Wii.

Here is a Wii story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18173268)

Last night I was at a restaurant with two friends. Besides us there were about five other people in the place. One of my friends made a statement about water being good for you and that you can never have enough. I started to relate the tragic story of the lady who died in the "Hold you Wii" competition.

I started by telling them that a lady had died from only drinking a lot of water and nothing else. I said it was in a "Hold your Wii" competition. My friend who was quite tipsy did not understand I was speaking of the Nintendo Wii. He started saying "wee wee, pee pee, wee wee" over and over again. I was trying to get him to shut up so I could explain to him what the story was about. All of a sudden behind us, this big black guy stands up and turns around and starts going off on us about talking about genitalia in a restaurant. I got him to calm down and when everyone shut up, I stated very loudly and plainly, "There was a contest for a NINTENDO Wii..."

Freaked me out. Here I was talking about a "kid-friendly" video game system and there was almost an altercation at a restaurant about it. So the name of the Wii almost turned me into a little piggy and made me go wii wii wii wii all the way home. (bad last line, but oh well).

Wiiiii! (-1, Redundant)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172270)

Well, one could say this adds a whole new level of meaning to "Playing with your Wii."

Okay, there, the joke's been made. On with the serious discussion!

Or not.

give me a break (4, Insightful)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172296)

It may be a little sensationalist, but the basic point is fine. "Guess what parents, kids can also access teh pr0nz0rz using the PSP, Wii, etc." If they were trying to get the Wii banned or something, that would be one thing, but just trying to help parents do their job (again, with a little extra sensationalism) is really no cause for controversy.

-stormin

Re:give me a break (2, Insightful)

Skadet (528657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172550)

Agreed, and the summary's characterization of the press release as a "smear campaign" is simply inflammatory flamebait.

Shame on you, editors.

Re:give me a break (5, Insightful)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172574)

Yes it is, simply because sensationalism in and of itself is wrong. Selling an idea without providing concrete evidence for and against is classic car salesmanship in its essence. We as a society have put up with such blatant misinformation for so long, and certainly shouldn't put up with it from our clergy. Well given if we didn't 99% of churches wouldn't exist. But thats another story.

Re:give me a break (4, Insightful)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172698)

Yes it is, simply because sensationalism in and of itself is wrong. Selling an idea without providing concrete evidence for and against is classic car salesmanship in its essence.

Sounds like someone got carried away with a metaphor. The difference is that a car salesman is actually selling something for real: and getting money on false premises. The sensationalism here is not being used to sell a car. And it's not "blatant misinformation". Kids could get porn through the Wii. That doesn't mean you should burn your kids Wii, but parents should be aware of the capabilities of the toys their kids have.

Penny-Arcade did a similar story when some local affiliate did an expose on the fact that your kids can chat with anyone using a DS Lite. It was a sensationalist story, but it's worth trying to keep parents informed of the capacity of their kids toys so that they can make their parenting decisions accordingly.

The fundamental message of this is just: your kids can get online with a Wii. I want parents and *everyone* to know this so that we don't have more silly sue-MySpace type lawsuits when some kid manages to build a bomb online or hook up with a sex predator on a Wii.

Re:give me a break (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173250)

Doesn't matter, your still "selling" an idea. Our society has come to tolerate the idea that arguing to win is the only thing that is important. Either way this is quickly delving into an argument in and of itself. You have valid points, but my original idea was that such sensationalism is bad even if a part of your message is accurate.

Re:give me a break (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172710)

After digging through all the links I finally think I found the article [theporntalk.com] all this blogging is about. Seems pretty calm reasoned and nonsensational to me.

So? (2, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172316)

The hysteria is silly, but it's not like they are making up the fact that it enables access to the internet at large. It sucks for the kids, but with crazy parents, lots of stuff sucks for the kids.

Perverted Christinas (3, Funny)

fatalwall (873645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172320)

I don't know about you, but I didn't even think of using it for that until now!

You didn't go straight to a porn site on your wii? (1)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172652)

I don't know about you, but I didn't even think of using it for that until now!

Welcome to Slashdot. You must be new here.

As a Christian myself... (5, Insightful)

dada21 (163177) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172322)

...I look at Jesus' words and actions as significant and the previous story before Him and insignificant in terms of how we live. In my opinion, when Jesus said "Judge not others" He meant it.

Christians who judge others haven't read their Bibles. It is time to move forth, Christians, read your Bibles, and get out of people's lives, especially the lives of non-Christians.

Embarassing, to say the least.

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172488)

The two largest Christian communities, the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, don't subscribe to the doctrine of private interpretation of Scripture. Instead of saying "As a Christian myself...", which lumps RCs and EOs in with you as if you share the very same beliefs, you should really have been more specific.

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172564)

My beliefs in my faith [anarcho-pantelism.com] leave no room for denominations or an unlimited variety of faiths -- to me, the Body is the Body, regardless of how they want to segregate themselves from others, or what they believe.

Re:As a Christian myself... (4, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172702)

Saying "As a Christian" and then talking about typically Protestant behaviour is as muddled a way of speaking as a Mexican saying "As a member of the species homo sapiens I eat tacos and celebrate Cinco de Mayo" when the real defining issue is his nationality.

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172568)

In my opinion, when Jesus said "Judge not others" He meant it.

So out of curiousity, when he was asked what one must do beyond knowing and following the 10 commandments in order to be admitted to heaven and he replied "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor", do you think he didn't mean it, or are you just not that interested in eternal life?

Re:As a Christian myself... (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172736)

So out of curiousity, when he was asked what one must do beyond knowing and following the 10 commandments in order to be admitted to heaven and he replied "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor", do you think he didn't mean it, or are you just not that interested in eternal life?

You are mistakenly quoting the law. Under the law it was incredibly difficult to get to heaven. Under grace, it's as easy as:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." --John 3:16

A reading of Galatians backs this up.

"We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." --Galatians 2:15-21

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172762)

"One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor"

Actually, I did something similar to this about 18 months ago -- I did sell almost everything I possessed and distributed all of the extra to a variety of charities in my area, and invested in a charity of my own. E-mail me for details.

That being said, I believe the Kingdom message was focused on the Early Church, prior to His second coming which I believed happened in 70 AD, ending the Age/the Covenant of Abraham and David. With that ending of the Covenant came the end to the Commandments and the Law.

It doesn't undo what Christ said about the basics of living, rather than the Kingdom perspective -- in my opinion two totally separate things.

I also don't believe in having to do anything to get to heaven, whatever heaven may be -- not works, not faith, not action or follow-through. :)

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

Johnny5000 (451029) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173214)

That being said, I believe the Kingdom message was focused on the Early Church, prior to His second coming which I believed happened in 70 AD, ending the Age/the Covenant of Abraham and David.

I've never heard anyone claim the second coming happened already... where does this belief come from?

Liar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18173306)

Actually, I did something similar to this about 18 months ago -- I did sell almost everything I possessed and distributed all of the extra to a variety of charities in my area, and invested in a charity of my own. E-mail me for details.
Yet, according to an earlier post from you [slashdot.org]:

I love my 5.8 liter SUV, because it tows my two box trucks, drives through any hill grade and also gives me decent gas mileage when I need it, but the power is there when I need it.
So is a 5.8 liter SUV a possession or not?

A Christian tooting his own horn and then it turns out they're lying? Sounds pretty standard now that I think about it.

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

russellh (547685) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172962)

So out of curiousity, when he was asked what one must do beyond knowing and following the 10 commandments in order to be admitted to heaven and he replied "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor", do you think he didn't mean it, or are you just not that interested in eternal life?
To answer that you have to also answer : was Jesus speaking to everyone for all enternity, or was he speaking to the people he was speaking to? Just askin'. I mean, when he said "take up thy bed and walk" does this mean that the followers of Christ should personally do that, every day? Or must we dig through all this nuance about context and translations and metaphor and stuff to get it. Although the character of Jesus as depicted in that book is way cool, it just so happens that I'm not a first century Hebrew nor am I disenfranchised enough to follow a prophet around the desert, so I doubt he was speaking to me. But I can understand many of his points in general... afaik.

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

arakon (97351) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172590)

Dude, my mod points ran out at midnight. That's probably the most intelligent thing I've ever read coming from someone professing to be of a certain religion on Slashdot. Don't Judge, lest ye be Judged. It's too damn bad most people don't have better things to do than stir up shit for other people. I don't fancy myself a practicing "Christian" but I have read the Bible, and I think there are a lot of social ideas that people on the whole need a better grasp on. My Favorite is "Neither a lender nor borrower be."

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172806)

Absolutely. There is a lot of Truth there regardless of whether or not you believe it is the Word of God, God-inspired, a historical account of a really cool dude, or just some fictional thoughts. The biggest problem with Christianity are Christians, to paraphrase Gandhi.

Re:As a Christian myself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172714)

Christians who judge others haven't read their Bibles.

And yet you are judging Christians who judge.

Lord Almightly, where is Judge Judy when we need Her?

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

oddfox (685475) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172956)

How is it being judgmental to inform someone that they're ignoring one of the key tenets to the religion they profess to prescribe to? And if by some strange twisting of the English language you do manage to get me on a technicality here, I hope you don't consider it a negative judgment, just someone saying "You're doing it wrong!" It's not a debatable point that Jesus taught his followers to not mete out judgment because it is simply not their place. There's plenty that's up for debate and interpretation with regards to the Bible, but not that point. Too many people forget this.

FWIW I'm an agnostic.

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

oddfox (685475) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173162)

Here's a rather quick follow-up after doing some Googling and reviewing of some expert opinions and analysis, etc... I wish I could retract my previous post because, quite frankly, the contradictions and muddied waters with regards to this topic make my head spin (No offense to those who've come to terms with their own interpretation). In any case, there seems to be some weight to the claim that Christians are to allow God to judge the unbelievers, and Christians are to judge other Christians by the same measurements they use for themselves.

Pot, meet kettle. (5, Insightful)

Skadet (528657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172752)

*checks his karma checkbook register and sighs*

Christians who judge others haven't read their Bibles.
Sounds like you're doing a little judgment of your own, doesn't it?

...I look at Jesus' words and actions as significant and the previous story before Him and insignificant in terms of how we live. In my opinion, when Jesus said "Judge not others" He meant it.
Look. Way too many people make this misunderstanding. The passage says "Judge not, lest you also be judged" (or something to that effect, depending on your translation). It DOESN'T say, "never judge anything at all, ever." It says, watch yourself, because the same rod you use to measure others might come back and bite you in the ass one day (I'm reminded of some very famous televangelests).

In fact, just moments after Jesus instructs us to "judge not", he says:

Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces (Matt. 7:6).
Well, clearly, he didn't mean LITERAL dogs and swine. How would we know if they were dogs or swine if we didn't JUDGE the behavior of others? Clearly, we're supposed to make assessments of others based on their actions, and had you read your Bible, you'd know that's what Jesus meant.

I realize this seems off-topic, and I'll likely be modded down to oblivion, but as it IS a Christian group that's the subject of discussion here, I think this rebuttal is only fair. Flame on :)

Re:Pot, meet kettle. (1)

Icepole4 (978286) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173106)

I think you may be reading a litte too much into what was said. You both are saying the same thing just in a different way.

I would agree with the author in that christian groups who force their opinions on others are missing the point. As christians our role is to serve as examples to the secular world and to those whose spiritual gift it is to spread the word; they are to do so by showing non-believers the word and the word only.

You're right, to judge in and of itself is not beyond our rights as Christian per se, to condemn is...that only god can do. So for a group to say John is gay, John and Sally have premarital sex, and the wii/PSP can download porn so they are not of god (not saying this article said that) and will burn in hell, is not within the rights given to christians by god. I think that is what the writer was trying to get across.

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172896)

So when the bible says that you should kill your children if they are disrespectful of their parents, you do it?

If not (which I certainly hope), how can you base morality on the bible if you've got your own selective critera which parts to pick?

(I'm asking this, because you've said, "Christians, read your Bibles [..and act upon it]".)

Re:As a Christian myself... (2, Insightful)

daigu (111684) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172898)

My sense is that Mark 4:24 and the related quotes from the other gospels is that it is about the basic moral principle of being careful to apply the same standard by which you judge others to yourself. I think it is a mistake to read it that we should not judge at all - but rather that we should judge fairly and not be hypocrites.

The reductio argument for your position is that if we are unable to judge, then it would mean that we must tolerate behaviors such as murder, torture, lying, sexual abuse and so forth. I think this is an obvious problem with your position, and I think Jesus himself speaks rather loudly that this is not the case with his actions in Matthew 21:12.

That said, I agree with the spirit of your post. Loving one's neighbor as oneself means sharing relevant information - such as the Wii is web-enabled and all that entails, but it also means searching our heart to discern the difference between loving concern for one's neighbor and judging them as if we were God - and doing our best to act in accordance with the former.

Re:As a Christian myself... (1)

Venerable Vegetable (1003177) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172972)

How exactly are they judging here? Telling the truth or pointing out flaws is not the same as judging. If you actualy read the press release you'll notice that they are generally positive about the wii, but think that parents should be more aware of the "dangers".

Besides that, taking one sentence from the bible out of context and then using it literary is rather silly.

Re:As a Christian myself... (0, Troll)

nagora (177841) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173070)

read your Bibles,

Oh, yeah, read what "Saint" Paul wanted you to read. That's not the same thing as what Jesus wanted you to hear. Not the same thing at all; that's why the bastard scuttled off to Rome, away from all those irritating people who knew Jesus and could contradict Paul's pathetic claptrap.

GET SOME PRIORITIES! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172334)

An assassination attempt was made on Cheney, and you're all worried about some Christians with sticks in their asses about a WII?!

link [jpost.com]

Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172810)

Which side attempted it?

Somehow (5, Funny)

Normal Dan (1053064) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172340)

This makes me more inclined to buy a Wii. I usually do not like console games, but if I can look up porn while getting exercises while angering a Christan group, I do believe it is worth it.

They've overlooked the obvious!! (1)

navygeek (1044768) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172344)

In their righteous fervor they seem to have missed the GOVERNMENT (local gov'ts anyway) supporting free access to porn. Why in most cities across the country little Timmy can go to his local library and check out old issues of National Geographic - which, as we all know, has plenty of pictures of Nubian goddesses in all their naked glory!

Let them go nuts on the Wii and PSP! As long as they don't take my National Geographic!



Obligatory Chasing Amy [imdb.com] [imdb.com] quote - "What's a Nubian?"

Re:They've overlooked the obvious!! (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172672)

The Economist had a cover some years ago that featured two camels having sex in the desert. The female camel on the bottom wasn't too happy with her rider on top. What does that had to do with economics? Beats me.

Big difference here.... (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173300)

Timmy can go to his local library and check out old issues of National Geographic - which, as we all know, has plenty of pictures of Nubian goddesses in all their naked glory!

Nudity != PORN , I'm really not concerned if my children see a naked human. To take such a position would be an insult to the human body itself...not to mention it's creator (should you subscribe to that belief).

However, same "Nubian Goddess" strapping on a rubber penis and moving toward some hapless individual tied, bent-over, to a table....now we have a problem here...don't we? NOW, we confuse notions of violence and sexual behaviour....NOW, we begin to present people as objects....NOW, we create an even bigger insult to the human body.

Various groups try to make this issue more complex than it really is, but it's quite simple

Body == GOOD

abuse of body == BAD

Objectification of fellow humans == BAD

Confusing violence and affection == BAD

etc.

Wii is for porn. (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172348)

Yup. Glad they found that out. I actually used the Wii for Porn at Launch when I realized the photo channel will play motion JPEG, and again when the Opera browser launched...

Good times, Good times.

Parents Should Be More Concerned... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172350)

with the complete joke of game library for the Wii and that they wasted 250 dollars on a marketing gimmick.

Hey Nintendo! Where are the damn games! I can't think of a SINGLE non-Nintendo game in all of 2007 that is worth buying. And Nintendo's games keep having rumors of being pushed back to early 2008.

Porn >>>> Dying of Wii boredom

Re:Parents Should Be More Concerned... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172546)

Porn >>>> Dying of Wii boredom

Rather than using your Wii to surf for adult materials (which is of questionable utility anyway, seeing as how you have a hires computer screen in front of you), why not point it toward one of the many online gaming sites that cater to the Wii?

The most popular is probably WiiCade [wiicade.com], as they have the largest selection. There's also WiiArcade [wiiarcade.com] and WiiFii.net [wiifii.net].

You're welcome.

Re:Parents Should Be More Concerned... (2, Interesting)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172712)

Hey Nintendo! Where are the damn games! I can't think of a SINGLE non-Nintendo game in all of 2007 that is worth buying.

Why are you blaming Nintendo for the quality of non-Nintendo games?

Re:Parents Should Be More Concerned... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172826)

Wow, you really have no clue about console game development.

Re:Parents Should Be More Concerned... (1)

basscomm (122302) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173150)

Wow, you really have no clue about console game development.


I do.

Nintendo sets some standards on what games it will or will not approve for production, as does Microsoft and Sony. Those standards only go as far as making sure the game is more or less technically sound, i.e. it will run for so many hours without crashing, it won't spontaneously erase your memory card, all legal screens are displayed for x amount of seconds, etc. A game being fun or worthwhile doesn't even enter into it.

Well, of course (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172352)

You can do this on the PS3 as well, and the Dreamcast allowed it before. That's not really new. What I was hoping for when I saw the headline was confirmation that there would be games using the "interactive" powers of the Wiimote. Now that I could (ahem) get behind.

Rob

Re:Well, of course (1)

the_tsi (19767) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172526)

...So you're saying you want to play Reacharound 2K7 on your Wii? If there's anything you should be motion controlling while playing a "porn game," I'd say that the actual Nintendo controller ought to be pretty low on the list.

Re:Well, of course (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172738)

The Wiimote would act as my own penis, actually. In fact, I could see Fleshlight making a video game where you attach one of their own products to the bottom of the controller, thus being the first product that uses the same hand for input and masturbation. You could also make a separate video game for women that does the same thing with a standard dildo.

Hey, where are you going? I haven't even gotten to my BDSM idea yet!

Rob

As if Wiis weren't already hard enough to get... (3, Interesting)

allanc (25681) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172364)

Man, if you thought it was difficult to find a Wii in the store before...

1. This Christian group is planning to provide free advertisement for the Wii. "There's No Such Thing As Bad Publicity"
2. This Christian group is planning to provide free advertisements that inform people that they can use the Wii to look at porn on their bigscreen TV.

Re:As if Wiis weren't already hard enough to get.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172718)

... And This Christian group went wii wii wii wii all the way home

Guess that wraps up this gen war. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172724)

Microsoft and Sony can just pack up and leave.

Inflamitory nature aside... (2, Informative)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172374)

I don't think this is all that bad. Sure, people will say "The parents should read the label", but how many of those 'caution' labels do you actually read? The damn things are like Vista UAC warnings, you don't Actually read them, you just acknowledge them.

Anyways, if this group's inflammatory campaign motivates parents to better monitory their children's online behavior, then all the better. If Sony/MS/Nitendo lose a handful of sales to far right wing conservatives, I doubt it will make or break the bottom line.

-Rick

PS: Link for those "Label lovers" out there: http://engrish.com/ [engrish.com]

Uhhh ... parental security features? (5, Informative)

KillaBeave (1037250) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172420)

Did these people not know that, in order to use the Opera browser on the Wii, you first have to download it from the Wii Shopping Channel ... In order to get to the Will Shopping Channel, you must input a PIN number. To use Opera once it's downloaded ... you must input your PIN.

That was put there so PARENTS COULD HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT THEIR KIDS DO WITH THE MACHINE! (Sorry for the yelling...) "Wii == Porn Portal" makes a much better headline than "Parents too busy to take responsibility for thier kids."

I mean seriouly, it takes all of 2 minutes to setup a PIN number on the Wii. It takes even less time to not tell your kids what the PIN # is. If you can't trouble parents with that level of responsibility, what are they there for?

Re:Uhhh ... parental security features? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172852)

Except the way you input the pin number makes it very easy to find out what it is when entered, same with any password login for a webpage.

Re:Uhhh ... parental security features? (2, Informative)

the_wesman (106427) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172992)

you know, the "N" in "PIN" stands for "number" ... so a "PIN Number" is a "personal identification number number" ... similar for the "M" in "ATM" (which stands for "machine") so, going to an "ATM Machine" doesn't make sense either ... I also hate when people talk about "DNS Servers" .... I just thought I should tell you

Re:Uhhh ... parental security features? (1)

Mr. Ksoft (975875) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173042)

When I downloaded the Opera browser I never had to input a PIN number. Sadly, that theory is dead.

It all comes down to the parents' responsibility (1)

kaizokunami (982824) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172440)

"Kids know this but parents don't!" Then isn't it the parents' job to become educated on the capabilities of the items they buy for their children? Preferably before buying it.

Re:It all comes down to the parents' responsibilit (1)

brouski (827510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172854)

Isn't that what this Christian group is doing? Educating parents?

Yes, this is reactionary....however... (2, Interesting)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172452)

Having a couple of small children who play the GameCube, and knowing the Wii provides internet access and is backwards-compatable with the GameCube games...I have been considering getting one so as to have an internet access port at the TV for sites like "Playhouse Disney", "Nicklodeon", "PBS", etc.

Not to be a prude, but there is some pretty harsh stuff out there (not just porn BTW) that is not exactly "kid-friendly".

While screaming, "but you can get to porn!...THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" is a tad reactionary, it would be a cool feature to store a "white-list" of acceptable websites on the console. So, that this particular "internet access port" is limited to specific locations - very much like enabling "parental control" on my Satellite TV box.

That would seem reasonable.

Re:Yes, this is reactionary....however... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172744)

Use your router/firewall/linksys to build your white list based on IP address of the Wii.

Ohh...didn't think of that... (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173068)

Thanks :)

Now, if I can figure out how to make user-specific whitelist on my Kubuntu box, I'd be golden.

Friend Codes (2, Insightful)

Infe (52681) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172456)

So we go through all the nonsense of using friend codes to keep the console kiddie-friendly, and still the wii is targetted by prudes and whatnot. What gives? Just drop the stupid friend codes, you're not winning friends on either side of this issue, Nintendo.

does anyone... (3, Interesting)

White Shade (57215) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172466)

does anyone take these Christian groups seriously enough for this to actually be a problem?

Christian groups seem to decry basically everything and everyone, and they seem to love dropping the "porn" bombshell left and right, but outside their little communities and fellow zealots, is there really any threat whatsoever from these people? And, as such, is this really newsworthy? I'd really only begin to worry if people in Congress start talking about it.

and, as a slight aside, am I the only one who have noticed that kids who grow up in these perfectly wholesome and innocent Christian-value-centric homes seem to end up being significantly maladjusted and immature in a sense that even though they end up as good adults, they're really completely unprepared to actually live in the world?

*sigh* ... i think everyone needs a bit of porn in their lives. how else are you supposed to know what goes where? :D

Re:does anyone... (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172904)

does anyone take these Christian groups seriously enough for this to actually be a problem?

Speaking as someone who lives in the bible belt, I can tell you that a lot of people here certainly do take the things those sort of groups say seriously.

Not everyone here is like that, but there are people here who judge you based on what church you do or don't belong to, how god-fearing they think you are, etc.

Reasons I wear my pa-kua under my shirt.

Re:does anyone... (1)

markbt73 (1032962) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173034)

...is there really any threat whatsoever from these people?

Well, they helped put Bush in office, so I'd say yeah...

Re:does anyone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18173118)

Heh, if you mean using porn as a sex education tool, i can see the problem:

"But honey, you are supposed to like ass-to-mouth!"

"You sure I shouldn't put this saran wrap and your chest and take a dump?"

"Alright! Let me call my friends and find a big bottle of lube! Do you want to blow jason or don first?"

"What? Every girl likes cum on her face, in her hair, and up the nose!"

A little sensationalist (5, Insightful)

Skadet (528657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172484)

This non-story is a little sensationalist on *both* sides.

First of all, the press release isn't bashing the Wii, or calling it "Satan's PORNtal" or anything like that. They even go as far as to point out that the Wii includes parental controls:

"Even though the Nintendo Wii has parental controls, parents don't see a need for them because they are unaware of the porn capabilities."
It looks like they're just using the Wii's popularity to push their agenda, that agenda being discussing the issue of porn with your kids -- a perfectly respectable goal. FTA:

So the solution lies in parents getting the facts and then talking to their children about expectations for online activity. Foster believes that, "Whether it is the home computer or these new gaming consoles, porn is easily accessible. The Wii is an amazing console and tons of fun but parents need good info on how to keep kids safe."
Encouraging parents to talk to kids about online behavior? That's a good thing. The Wii tie-in is nothing but marketing to attract parents.

Wii Parental Controls (1)

Elder Entropist (788485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172504)

The Wii's parental controls include the ability to restrict access to the Internet Channel unless you know the parental password.

fundies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172520)

fundies- new things old accusations
1927-"horseless carriages are corrupting our youth"

2007-"the wii is corutping our youth"

Their hearts are in the right place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172606)

I'm all for teaching kids and parents about the fact that porn can be found with the Wii's internet capabilites but a smear campaign could have the opposite effect of making them look lik sensationalists.

A lot of parents aren't likely to know this. (1)

Citoahc (565108) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172616)

While it may seem like a no brainer for any of us, there are a quite a few parents out there who wouldn't even realize it is possible. I would bet that a lot of parents don't even know it can connect to the internet much less that it has a web browser.

Guns are 'murder portals' ... (1)

bestinshow (985111) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172618)

Yet anyone, especially the rabid Christian gun-toting southerners would immediately say that it is the user that kills, not the gun (the tool). And the gun is specifically designed to hurt and kill!

A web browser is a tool. It is not there to browse porn, it can be used by someone to browse porn. Unlike a gun it actually has many many uses that are beneficial.

Tools are not portals. The desires of the user of the tool are, and children have been looking at porn illicitly one way or another for decades.

Is porn so bad anyway? Especially non-violent consentual porn. I think the amount of violence in society is a far greater concern than a couple of people having harmless fun, and allowing other people to satisfy their human needs as a result of it.

haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18172650)

One of the first things I did out of the box was bring up some very painful looking bondage pictures on the Wii browser for my girlfriend (who got the system for me for my birthday) to walk in on.

I'm suprised it took ted haggard and the gang this long to jump on this. Now if only I could get meth from the Wii too, I could delete Mike Jones from my cell phone contacts.

Just a matter of interest.... (1)

Moggie68 (614870) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172680)

...did the (US) group mention (US-made) X-Box 360 in any way? Or does X-Box 360 lack this functionality?

what about mobile phones and the fridge? (1)

someone1234 (830754) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172686)

More and more tools could connect to the internet, those are also porn portals???

Out of the box porn machine? (1)

flaknugget (938238) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172772)

I thought the Wii/Opera browser requires an additional purchase. Am I wrong here? That isn't to say any kid who is able to buy a Wii points card couldn't browse some pr0n, but an off-the shelf Wii isn't even a web browsing machine. Anywho, knowing how kid-centric and family oriented Nintendo is, I suspect there will be optional parental controls to come if there is enough public outcry, which there probably won't be.

OH PLEEEEAAASSSEEE give me a break... (3, Insightful)

haplo21112 (184264) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172812)

...ah, Parents be responsible for your kids. Its not the technology thats the problem. Know what the hell your kids are doing, know what the people they hang out with are doing, know what the families of the people they hang out with are doing.

And #1 teach them a sense of values. What video game system they have doesn't matter its what you tell them to do with it, and what you teach them is OK.

When I was young could I get a copy of a playboy sure, but I knew I shouldn't have...

examples, please? (2, Funny)

rascher (1069376) | more than 7 years ago | (#18172870)

I have yet to come across a pornographic website that emulates the wii interface, and the claim seems to be rather unsubstantiated. Could somebody point me to a few example websites?

Pass the buck (1)

Lord Sigma (781484) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173022)

One thing these organizations never seem to talk about is how parents should take some responsibility of their own and monitor what their children do. They always seem to want someone else to raise their children for them. What if they actually sat down and talked to their kids about what they can and can't do while on the internet. It is the same as telling them not to take candy from strangers. If they would actually take an active role in raising their children they will find that there are many options for filtering what can be accessed on the internet. Also, if they don't want their kids to play violent games, then don't buy the games for them.

Re:Pass the buck (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173256)

One thing these organizations never seem to talk about is how parents should take some responsibility of their own and monitor what their children do.
It's been tried, but the parents respond with "I don't know anything about computers, why are you doing this!? I just want to take care of my kids!!!!"

What if they actually sat down and talked to their kids about what they can and can't do while on the internet.
You can explain the danger of someone kidnapping you, how do you explain not to look for porn to someone who doesn't know about the birds and the bees. What danger can be perceived to the child who even knows about the birds and the bees for looking at porn?

If they would actually take an active role in raising their children they will find that there are many options for filtering what can be accessed on the internet.
"I don't know anything about computers."

Many parents seem to be really technophobic from what I've seen.

Also, if they don't want their kids to play violent games, then don't buy the games for them.
Kids can pirate, kids can be lent the game from other kids, kids can buy violent games from shops (they may do it online if they can't do it offline).

The problem is, there is no solution.

FYI: I am not parent.

Good Christians Rejoice! (1)

liak12345 (967676) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173266)

For I have the solution to your fears.

I need someone to make a simple mod for me.

Any jerking motion on the wii-mote closes the browser.

Go forth and celebrate. (Go forth and celibate?)

So What? (5, Insightful)

Quantam (870027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18173272)

What's really funny is that, at least based on the look they give in the article, the article (and, even worse, the summary) is far more overreactive and emotionally charged than the campaign itself.

"Like many new gaming technologies, the Wii's wireless internet capabilities make it a portal to porno. 'Parents think the computer is the only way for their kids to get porn on the internet. Unfortunately, they are dead wrong,' says Mike Foster, founder of ThePornTalk.com. 'Gaming devices like the Wii and the PSP aren't just for fun games anymore. You're able to surf the net, chat with friends, email, and view porn because of its internet access. Kids know this but parents don't!'"
...
So the solution lies in parents getting the facts and then talking to their children about expectations for online activity. Foster believes that, "Whether it is the home computer or these new gaming consoles, porn is easily accessible. The Wii is an amazing console and tons of fun but parents need good info on how to keep kids safe."


My Gord! That's so... so... rational, unemotional, and largely objectively (or "empirically", if you prefer) true. Compare to

targeting the console with a smear campaign

Saying the truth in a calm, collected manner is called smearing, now? When did that start? Or

I find it funny that a site that seems to go to so much effort to hide its ties to religion and ministry work is using the phrase dirty little secret.

Wait, was that an implication that religion is a dirty little secret? Damn submarine Jews.

the story's caustic tone

Is that more or less caustic than calling religions dirty little secrets?

Seriously. I may think the anti-porn campaign is a bit unnecessary (in a "don't you have something better to do?" way), but the campaign is surprisingly (at least after reading the beginning of the article) docile and rational. Who cares what they think, really? And who cares if they tell parents that kids can surf porn on the Wii? I mean, you can surf porn on the Wii, right? The most emotional (as opposed to rational) appeal in the whole thing is the title of the campaign ("The Wii's Dirty Little Secret"), and even that's less emotional/sarcastic/caustic (or "witty", as we prefer to say) than the average Slashdot catch-phrase. Hell, this paragraph has more sarcasm than that whole campaign.

Overall rating of the article: Troll.
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