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Ubuntu Feisty Fawn Drawing Near

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the millions-rejoicing-in-the-street dept.

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daria42 writes "Ubuntu developers are finalizing preparations for the release of the next version — dubbed Feisty Fawn — of the popular Linux distribution in mid-April. Overnight, Ubuntu developer Tollef Fog Heen announced Ubuntu's main software repository had been frozen — with no changes allowed to the code — as developers got ready to issue a fifth major test version ("Herd 5") of the next version of Ubuntu."

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AWW damn!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180310)

Fuck, I just spent $399 on Vista Ultimate!!!!

Re:AWW damn!! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180404)

I think you forgot to include the cost [microsoft.com] of Office 2007 Ultimate? - $679!

You do know that Ubuntu comes standard with OpenOffice and all the other essential applications most Windows users miss out on (unless they pay extra)?

Re:AWW damn!! (1, Funny)

Traiklin (901982) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180914)

why is it illegal for microsoft to include office in windows yet it's ok for linux to include openoffice with it?

I thought that the government ruled that illegal?

Re:AWW damn!! (4, Informative)

MartinG (52587) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180958)

No.

What is illegal is abusing monopoly power in one area to force your way into another.

So bundling MS office with Windows would be illegal because they own and control both and are a monopoly. Ubuntu is nowhere near a monopoly.

Re:AWW damn!! (2, Insightful)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181132)

Openoffice and Ubuntu are completey separate entities, owned by two completely different companies.

Windows and MS Office come from the same corporation.

But even if you don't consider that, I doubt that Microsoft would ever just throw in Office for free (even if it were bundled, you be paying a premium). Office is their main cash cow.

Obligatory (0, Redundant)

MicrosoftRepresentit (1002310) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180416)

Ubunto Feisty Fawn is not only better than Windows Vista, but is also quite a lot cheaper because it is free, unlike Vista which costs $399, [Allow] or [Deny]?

Re:Obligatory (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181186)

If the media production tools that are planned for UbuntuStudio turn out to be halfway decent, with support for at least one of the major plug-in types, then I will happily adopt it,

I would so like to see a distro of Linux that focuses primarily on media production. I'd gladly pay for it. If I had enough money to make an impact, I'd definitely contribute to an effort to produce a competitive OS to Windows and MacOS. I think we're being hurt by those two companies being the only serious commercial competitors for personal desktops, despite the ostensible adversarial relationship between MS and Apple.

Ob YCST (0, Troll)

Bastard of Subhumani (827601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180610)

A bargain compared to paying $699 to SCO!

Tollef Fog Heen (-1, Redundant)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180316)

I love that name.

BTW, Ubuntu is a fun distro to play with, I'm looking forward to Feisty Fawn.

Re:Tollef Fog Heen (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180332)

I read it as "Toilet Fog Heen", which is an even better name.

Re:Tollef Fog Heen (2, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180752)

I say, boy, I say don't be makin' sport of his name, now, y'hear?

Nice boy, but doesn't listen to a word I say.

Sincerely,
Foghorn Leghorn

Re:Tollef Fog Heen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180922)

now THAT was funny.

Re:Tollef Fog Heen (1)

negated (981743) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180504)

I love that name.
Same here. Now I know what to call my next new RPG Elf character! -S

Zero Install (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180322)

Looks like Zero Install will be included!

http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4206 [tauware.de]

Re:Zero Install (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180430)

More useful link:

http://0install.net/ [0install.net]

Re:Zero Install - not on by default (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180566)

It is all fine and dandy that Zero Install i available from the Universe repository. But if it is not installed by default, then it is still a mess for publishers to support ubuntu!
Ooooh, first you have to install this program, and then you can install my program... It still does not cut it :/

Re:Zero Install - not on by default (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181218)

Plus, you have to enable to the Universe repository, as it is NOT enabled by default.

I'm using feisty since herd 1 (5, Interesting)

vivaoporto (1064484) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180344)

And I can say is that Feisty is a big improvement over Edgy, both in hardware support and software "smoothness". It is a pity that Xorg 7.2 will not be ready for Feisty launch, but this is certainly a candidate to bring an alternative to Windows on the Desktop.

X.org 7.2 will (perhaps) be in feisty (5, Informative)

MrvFD (711808) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180410)

Actually Xorg 7.2 is currently on its way to feisty, thanks to efforts by a community member, working together with Debian and helped by some Ubuntu core developers: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/200 7-February/023252.html [ubuntu.com]

The xserver-xorg-core is already version at 7.2 (or "1.2") now, with the rest of the modules going in gradually. With the modularity of X.org nowadays, it's not certain that all the newest driver work will be in, though. For example the ati driver has seen only some important patches backported to feisty, while there has been a lot of development and reworking without a proper release of xserver-xorg-video-ati lately.

Re:X.org 7.2 will (perhaps) be in feisty (4, Informative)

lavid (1020121) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180562)

I'm pretty sure the X.org 7.2 merge is pretty close to complete. It borked a bunch of stuff, beryl, compiz, 3d stuffs, when they only half merged it with the repos last week. From what I see right now all the X.org drivers (except fglrx, ATI's proprietary driver) are at 7.2 as are the xorg server bins. I'm sure there are some modules still to be upgraded especially since Compiz hasn't worked for me since last week. There are plenty of threads about this on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ [ubuntuforums.org] .

Re:X.org 7.2 will (perhaps) be in feisty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180894)

Oh, haha, that's funny. I was wondering why Beryl wasn't working. I use svn trunk, so I assumed it was just broken. This is good.

Re:X.org 7.2 will (perhaps) be in feisty (1)

pato101 (851725) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181240)

Beryl svn trunk works smoothly in edgy. Some times gets screwed but some hours later becomes OK again.

Why Xorg 7.2 is so important? (5, Interesting)

pato101 (851725) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180448)

Please would you point major features of Xorg 7.2 so it is a pity it does not get included? (not pretending to troll, I'm just ignorant).

Re:Why Xorg 7.2 is so important? (5, Funny)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180560)

I've never used it, but I believe the usual pattern is that the latest version of something contains the device drivers for the one device you need support for, except that it's actually for a similarly named chipset from the same company and doesn't actually work with your card, but it does feel slightly faster, but has a whopping great memory leak that means you have to reboot your computer every few days.

Re:Why Xorg 7.2 is so important? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180602)

Why don't you go read the X11R7.2 changelog [x.org] ?

The inclusion of XCB is one of the major changes. It replaces the fuctionality of Xlib, but offers an Xlib compatibility layer. XCB is the way of the future, my good man.

There have been some major code cleanups. There is Intel i965 chipset support. There are numerous workarounds to support the shitpile that is Fedora Core. The built-in keyboard driver has been removed.

Re:Why Xorg 7.2 is so important? (2, Funny)

pato101 (851725) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180762)

Why don't you go read the X11R7.2 changelog?

Because I get lost in technical acronysms (just see below)

The inclusion of XCB is one of the major changes. It replaces the fuctionality of Xlib, but offers an Xlib compatibility layer. XCB is the way of the future, my good man.

Sweet. When I read the changelog- thanks for the link- I didn't notice how important XCB was. You have made me follow the XCB link and understand what it is about and why it is so important. Thanks for pointing it :).

Re:Why Xorg 7.2 is so important? (5, Informative)

jeevesbond (1066726) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180636)

There are some details on the release page [freedesktop.org] on the Freedesktop wiki.

From that page:

X11R7.2 supports Linux, BSD, Solaris, Microsoft Windows and GNU Hurd systems. It incorporates significant stability and correctness fixes, including improved autoconfiguration heuristics, enhanced support for GL-based compositing managers such as Compiz and Beryl, and improved support for PCI systems with multiple domains. It also incorporates the new, more extensible XACE security policy framework.

Release notes should be on the download page [x.org] , they're marked 'forthcoming' at the moment, but wait a day or two and they should appear.

Re:I'm using feisty since herd 1 (2, Informative)

ACS Solver (1068112) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180462)

Using since Herd3 here, and it is indeed a big improvement over Edgy. Edgy was, well, edgy for me. On the 64-bit version, many minor things, such as not having the boot splash, or CPU timing sometimes screwed up. Herd4, which was recently released, was quite surprisingly stable, although there remained issues with running 32-bit apps on the 64-bit version. Now, if only they had 1.2.3.1 in Feisty, saving me the need to compile & install it.

Re:I'm using feisty since herd 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180508)

Could you elaborate what that "software smoothness" is about?

Just scheduler changes, or some new package?

(happy 6.10 user here)

Scared me for a moment there. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180356)

I thought a new furry con had entered the scene.

bah, im gonna wait for zapek zaparia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180358)

or maybe wakka waparia

No changes allowed (5, Funny)

Bob54321 (911744) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180398)

Ubuntu's main software repository had been frozen -- with no changes allowed to the code

As opposed to freezes where you are allowed to change things...

Re:No changes allowed (1)

bugg_tb (581786) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180464)

whos to say they couldn't change the code but not allow additions or removals from the repository??

Re:No changes allowed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180498)

They could always melt it down, add new code, and refreeze it. But then you'd have to be careful about bacteria levels reaching dangerous levels.

Re:No changes allowed (1)

saboola (655522) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180540)

God forbid they explain what a code freeze is for people that might be new to all this.

Re:No changes allowed (5, Insightful)

jeevesbond (1066726) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180966)

This might sound harsh, but they don't care whether you know what a code freeze is. In fact if you don't know what that is why are you reading Slashdot?!

It's not like Microsoft, Canonical didn't create some press-release to tell everyone: 'We're freezing our codebase! Make sure all technical journals know!'

This story got on to Slashdot because of geeks avidly following Ubuntu's development process, which--unlike Windows--is totally open. If you don't know what a code freeze is: don't worry, just wait for the release. The fact you don't know is not Canonical's fault or problem.

If you do want to know: first imagine all the software projects Ubuntu uses (the Synaptic package manager on my system tells me I've currently got access to 20,304 bits of software, so much for the old: 'There isn't any software available for Linux' argument). When the devs start working on a release they use the newest versions of whatever software is available. As the new version of Ubuntu nears release though they have to be certain all the software will work together, so they do what's called a 'code freeze'.

A code freeze means they don't use any newer versions of software that are made available. They just make sure that whatever is now in the software repositories works. The reason for this is to stop any unforseen incompatibilities creeping in when a new version of a software package is used.

Here's a scenario:

The devs are working on the new version of Ubuntu: Happy Hippo. A new version of Firefox (no pedants, I am aware of the policy regarding Firefox, this is just a common software package and something the reader will identify with. No corrections needed!) has been created since the last release, so they import it into the software repositories. Call it: Version 2.

Before the code freeze a new version of Firefox is released (v2.1), with an autoPr0n feature many people love. This is imported into the new version of Ubuntu: Happy Hippo.

The code freeze happens... But a new version of Firefox is released afterwards (v2.2), with an enhanced autoPr0n feature (many people are calling this the next 'killer app'). Unfortunately, this is after the code freeze, so the new version of Firefox does not get imported.

Imagine if the devs didn't do the code freeze, and the new enhanced autoPr0n feature (in v2.2) caused a problem with The GIMP. But the devs had already checked Firefox, but not the latest version.

So the code freeze is necessary, although you don't necessarily need to know about it. :)

Re:No changes allowed (4, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180780)

Our standard joke regarding code freezes at work is "If this is a freeze, I wouldn't walk on it."

But I suppose you have to be from a place where they do a lot of ice fishing before that joke makes any sense at all.

Re:No changes allowed (1)

tfheen (128718) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181010)

As opposed to a string freeze or artwork freeze where you can change code, but not those other bits.

Re:No changes allowed (1)

CheeseTroll (696413) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181110)

Saw this quote on /. a while back:

"Feature freeze means that everyone has a bad feeling when they change something, almost nothing more." -- Stephan Kulow

Fast going cold on Ubuntu (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180426)

About six months ago I finally decided to switch from my ancient Mandrake 10.2 to Ubuntu 6.10. At the time it seemed like a good choice, and the newer Gnome seemed to be a better option than the older KDE in Mandrake, and Ubuntu solved or avoided a lot of brain damage inherent in Mandrake. I started off as a very happy user.

However as I have been using Ubuntu, I'm finding I like it less and less. Gnome turned out to have a bunch of annoying issues (Mounting a remote FTP server is just a mess, for example). Evolution is nowhere near as good as KMail and contains so many irritating and obvious bugs I'm currently only sticking with it because migrating my five-years worth of email into it was such a pain in the ass I don't fancy going through it again. I attempting to install KMail from Add/Remove Programs at one point but as it simply doesn't work because large parts of KDE are not installed correctly, and anyway it seems dumb to run half of KDE just to use one application. There is nothing comparable to K3b for Gnome in the repositories. Enabling additional repositories isn't as simple as I was led to believe. A lot of the software that is in the repositories seems to be very old versions, and even more of the software there seems to be half-finished or half-baked (Gnomebaker and QDVDAuthor are two recent examples). There are now enough issues that irritate me about Ubuntu as there were with Mandrake before it, so what have I gained? If anything it seems to have been a retrograde step: at least with Mandrake I have KMail and K3b!

I guess my next step will be the try Kubuntu instead, and at least attempt to get back some functional basic applications. Frankly, I relish the thought about as much as I fancy the idea of a root canal.

Yes, try Kubuntu (2, Interesting)

metamatic (202216) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180530)

I just switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu, because Ubuntu is infected with Mono.

While KDE has way, way too many UI tweaks available in its preferences, I just switched the theme to Plastik and stopped fiddling with everything else. Other than that, KDE beats Gnome in every way.

Re:Yes, try Kubuntu (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180788)

You're infected with stupidity

Patents, patents, patents! (2, Funny)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180862)

Now I should throw a chair at Miguel de Icaza or something.

Re:Yes, try Kubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180884)

Ubuntu is spelled Kubuntu.
BTW Gnome got put to death on my other PC (Gentoo) for dragging the stench of Microsoft (Mono(C#)).

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (4, Informative)

Trip Ericson (864747) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180532)

Your problems sound more like Gnome problems than Ubuntu problems; I should know, I didn't like Ubuntu on my first shot because I'm partial toward KDE (which I had going on Fedora). I made the switch to Kubuntu and haven't looked back.

It combines the wonderful Ubuntu codebase and DEB packaging system with the KDE interface. I certainly recommend you try it.

Second that... (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180650)

While Gnome is Ok....I think KDE is, overall, the better package...and Kontact has really improved. I was a big evolution fan, but now I think Kontact has surpassed it. At this point, I even prefer Koqueror to Firfox.

I've been away from KDE for a little over a year (using Gnome with Ubuntu). Prior to that, I ran SuSE (with KDE of course). So, I've spent a reasonable amount of time with both desktops. This latest KDE seems to be more responsive than I remember it (but perhaps Kubuntu is less resourse hungry than SuSE).

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (4, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180554)

You don't need to run KDE. You just need the dependencies installed. Naturally, though, if you do use KDE stuff its going to increase your memory footprint.

Maybe if you prefer KDE you should use Kubuntu. I haven't had your problems with Evolution because I use Thunderbird.

I've been using Gnome on Ubuntu; I started out preferring KDE strongly, but after using Gnome for a while ... I still prefer KDE. But I understand the point of Gnome. It's not that one is perfect and the other is trash. Adjusting from one to another simply involves a series of small irritations as your unconscious expectations are violated, until you adjust. I found the Gnome file dialogs irritating at first; but they get the job done, only in a different way than I expected.

What is the point of GNOME? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180850)

But I understand the point of Gnome.

Can you please explain it to me?

I've been a die-hard KDE user for about eight years. But at Christmas a friend of mine suggested that I give GNOME a try. So I've been using GNOME 2.16 since the start of January. And you know what? I've hated every minute of it. My productivity has tanked, and my system is now quite unstable. I promised to use it until the end of March, at which time I'm sure I'll be switching back to KDE.

My main complaint is the extremely poor performance of GNOME. It's nowhere near as responsive as KDE. Being written in C, I thought it'd be much quicker than the C++-based KDE. But perhaps the pseduo-OO layer of GTK+ really destroys its performance.

Maybe the performance of GNOME is hindered by its excessive use of system resources. Whenever I use Nautilus for anything greater than about 25 minutes, its memory usage balloons. I'm talking about it consuming 750 MB to 800 MB of RAM, according to top. Thankfully, I have 2 GB of RAM in my system. But with a couple of Nautius processes consuming nearly 1 GB of RAM, plus other running applications, I find my system starts to swap, resulting in terrible performance.

The stability is also terrible. I don't recall ever crashing any KDE applications, let alone the main processes of KDE itself. On the other hand, I've had some GNOME app or component crash out on nearly a daily basis. I can't use Evolution because it crashes whenever I go to check for new mail. Even some of the games crash!

So I find myself wondering why people would want to use GNOME. It's clear to me that KDE is superior in just about every way. KDE is more responsive. KDE doesn't crash every now and then. KDE uses far less memory than GNOME. With GNOME it's so easy to see all of the problems, and so difficult to find anything good about it. So I ask, why do people continue to use GNOME, when KDE and XFCE are far superior? I'd almost have to guess it's a semi-religious obsession that makes them put up with such nonsense.

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (2, Informative)

clark0r (925569) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181192)

Memory footprint larger in KDE? Are you sure? Maybe you should have done some research: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmar k.html [kde.org] Now of course this is slightly bias (just look at that domain!) but I'm sure I've read this elsewhere also.

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (5, Informative)

pato101 (851725) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180654)

Do not need to try Kubuntu instead: you can just install the kubuntu packages in your ubuntu install, by doing just this:

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

Alternatively, you may play with xfce if you like by adding xfce packages as follows:

sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

Mod Parent Up (4, Informative)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180760)

GP, simply hop into a terminal and type:

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
sudo apt-get autoremove


No need to reinstall anything; it's that easy to switch. If you liked KDE in Mandrake, you'll surely like KDE in Kubuntu.

Re:Mod Parent Up (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180954)

Thanks, mate. I didn't know about the autoremove invocation.

Re:Mod Parent Up (1)

locokamil (850008) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181284)

Is there anyway to remove GNOME entirely from the system and install XFCE?

(I know about Xubuntu... but it'd be cool to try and "replace" the window manager)

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180704)

Why oh why didn't you go with Kubuntu in the first place

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180738)

I also moved from Mandriva to Ubuntu.

I also did not like Gnome hat much - and I agree that mounting remote servers does not work very well.

So I just opened Synaptic (one of the Ubuntu prgrams that Kubuntu users should install, btw) and installed kubuntu-desktop. No problems with that.

Gnome is very easy to use for everyday things - the difference is exemplifed by the difference between K3B and the Nautilus CD burner. Both work well, but whereas the former gives you every possible option, the latter is simpler and relies on sensible defaults.

Of course what happens when someone who wants something like K3B uses Gnome, they end up installing a less well supported Gtk CD burner and unhappy.

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (1)

pato101 (851725) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180936)

Of course what happens when someone who wants something like K3B uses Gnome, they end up installing a less well supported Gtk CD burner and unhappy.

Not my case!. I use gnome -and I like it more than KDE, but I like using CLI- and when I want something like K3B, I end up installing a less well supported Gtk CD burner, seeing it it does not suffice my needs and launching K3B.
There is no hurt in using KDE apps in gnome. I use LyX a lot (QT app) and sometimes I fire up Konqueror for certain tasks, Opera or whatever I need at that moment. I prefer GTK apps because they look more integrated in gnome -obviously- but since there is not a hi end CD burner based in GTK, I happily use K3B.
Someone may claim that memory is filled with QT and GTK libs, I don't care so much (most of the time I'm not burning CDs, are you?). And as for desktop integration, using the same color scheme solves most of the annoyances, so once I started kcontrol and setup my preferred color scheme everything is nice.
I'm using NEdit text editor (Motif based) because I don't feel so confortable with none of the GTK/Qt/KDE editors I have tried. I love the way NEdit handles block selections and I've get used to it so far I cannot leave it. Again, just setting correctly ~/.gnome2/xrdb entries my NEdit Motif windows almost match my gnome windows around (if only Motif supported Xft... but it is work in progress in that way so future is bright)

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (1)

haeger (85819) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181184)

I did the other way around. I went from Kubuntu to Mandriva. While I agree that Kubuntu is great and I'd prefer to run it, I've had problems with it. The major problem is X. Whenever I start X the computer freezes. Nothing works anymore. I haven't reported this as a bug (yet) but I probably should.
I tried to get some support from #ubuntu or #kubuntu but noone there was able to help.
The odd thing is that it works perfectly when running from a live-cd, it's after the install that things stop working. Annoying as hell.
Apparently it's not just Feisty, but both Dapper and Edgy too.
I thought that it might be my video card (Radeon 9800) but since it works flawlessly with both XP and Mandriva I'm forced to believe that Kubuntu is the problem.

Also, one of the reasons why I haven't reported this as a bug is that I haven't been able to produce any useful logs. Nothing in Xorg.0.log. I assume that I probably should do a strace on "startx". Any other ideas on how to fix or help me report the problem is appreciated. .haeger

Re:Fast going cold on Ubuntu (2, Insightful)

dos_dude (521098) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181286)

What happens when somone using Gnome wants something like k3b is that he installs k3b and happy.

What I need!! (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180438)

Compositors(compiz, beryl, xcompmgr) in the repositories and emerge(for enlightenment DR17).

Re:What I need!! (1)

Lispy (136512) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180988)

Compositors, compositors, compositors, compositors,...

Frozen code? (1)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180478)

I realize I'm ignorant, being a guy weaned on Windows and all, but... doesn't "frozen code" defeat the whole purpose of Linux, GNU and the Open Source movement? I'm confuzzled.

Re:Frozen code? (4, Informative)

Trip Ericson (864747) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180510)

It merely means that the code and repos have been frozen in order to allow for anything that's broken to be fixed and made ready for a public, stable release.

Development continues anyway, just that the code for this release has been frozen except for bug fixes.

At least, that's my understanding of it.

Re:Frozen code? (3, Insightful)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180522)

it's not perma-frozen, and the actual projects aren't stopped.

It's the version of the code that is in the repository specifically for ubuntu that is frozen. This is a common release process to make sure everything is relatively solid and stable. It happens on most OSS OSes as they go through the final stages of testing and planning.

Re:Frozen code? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180570)

Ubuntu is a package of applications based on the Linux kernel. All this freeze means is that the team in charge of Ubuntu has decided exactly what will be in the next release, and would like to fix any remaining bugs instead of spending the remainder of their time adding things. Once Fawn is released, new versions of software, and different software, will be added to the repositories, but they are optional to install, this article only speaks of the ultimate decision for what is default in the next release.

Re:Frozen code? (1)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180626)

So basically, the stuff that the OS comes with itself is the only thing that's frozen? The applications and their versions, etc.? I think I got it. Thanks.

Re:Frozen code? (1)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180664)

Development on the various software packages obviously continues as normal; the freeze means new releases of software are not incorporated into Feisty. If a new version of, say, Firefox comes out today, it won't be included in Feisty; it will have to wait for the next release. This ensures there are no longer any major code changes to anything in the repositories, giving us two solid months to test the entire operating system to fix any bugs that may turn up.

Of course, you can still install newer versions of applications manually. They just won't be made available in the repositories.

Re:Frozen code? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180680)

First of all, Linux, GNU, and Open Source could be argued to be 3 different "movements" each with a different "purpose." Generally, the 3 feel that as long as your ability to learn from the source code and modify it is not taken away everything is fine. It is a feature-freeze not really a code-freeze. Basically what Ubuntu is saying here is "Okay, we are not going to add any more features (packages, change revisions of major programs, etc.) till the fiesty release." During that time they will work on bug fixes, and making sure everything works the way it is supposed to on different systems and configurations. This in no way stops me from downloading the source code modifying it, and running a my modified version. I have no garentee that my mods won't break everything (not that there are any with fiesty either). Many of these bug fixes will come from the community who downloads the beta/release-cantidate/demo/whatever-you-want-to-c all-it.

Re:Frozen code? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180976)

By Stallman's scraggly beard; you're right!

Now, quickly, to light myself on fire.

WWWWAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Re:Frozen code? (1)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181044)

Let's say your a developer and you have an app that's being included in ubuntu.

You've just released v1.
A package maintainer builds your pkg and uploads it into the alpha repos.
Development with ubuntu is hot and heavy. It's still in alpha.
Some time goes on, you fix most of your bugs and add new features by releasing v2.
A maintainer builds your packages and uploads it.
Bam! Feature freeze.
You release version 3 to fix bugs and add new features.
A maintainer can no longer upload v3, but he can backport your fixes from v3 if applicable and apply them to v2 in the ubuntu repos.
(He can also apply for an exception and may be a approved depending on a lot of things).
Ubuntu is released.
You continue your development and all security/critical bugs fixed by your v4,5,etc. can be backported by the maintainer into v2 (or the stable repos if you will).
In addition, your v4, v5, etc are all uploaded by maintainers into the next ubuntu repos and the cycle begins again.

Note: This is definitely not 100% accurate but is probably an acceptable 50,000ft view.

Hurd! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180514)

Congratulations to the GNU hackers on the release of Herd 5!

Skip this one (5, Funny)

pkspks (881839) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180542)

I'll wait for the "zombie zebra"

Re:Skip this one (1)

noamsml (868075) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180668)

Ubuntu 17.04?

Re:Skip this one (2, Funny)

xs650 (741277) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181034)

'I'll wait for the "zombie zebra"'

Don't get your hopes up, I was waiting for Farty Ferret. Now it will be nearly 26 years before the Fs come back again.

Been using it for about a month... (5, Informative)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180580)

I've been beta-testing Kubuntu Feisty for about a month now, and it's amazing. It's already a huge improvement over Edgy. Everything is so intuitive and easy to use; Feisty is going to kick ass.

Some of the new stuff they've added are a new wireless network manager by default, big improvements to the package installation system, easy codec/flash installation, lots of user interface tweaks... It looks so polished now, I love it.

Here are the Herd release announcements, containing a subset of the changes Feisty brings:
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd1/Kubuntu [kubuntu.org]
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu [kubuntu.org]
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd3/Kubuntu [kubuntu.org]
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu [kubuntu.org]

Re:Been using it for about a month... (1)

The Bubble (827153) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180662)

What... what happened? It's all blue!!! Where are my beautiful browns? My oranges? My tans? Somebody help me!!!!!

Oh. It's _K_ubuntu...

So you're one of those...

Faster, Feisty, Faster! (2, Interesting)

reclusivemonkey (703154) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180584)

Is it just me or does Feisty seem noticeably quicker than Edgy? OK, my Edgy was getting a little bloated which is one of the reasons I updated to Feisty, but is seems to boot a lot quicker and my Desktop seems to be up in seconds after logging in from GDM.

Re:Faster, Feisty, Faster! (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181246)

Yes, Upstart seems to have greatly reduced the boot time, and the new Gnome is also noticeably faster also.

Oblig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180814)

I, for one, welcome our new Ubun...

Oh, wait... ...

Nothing to see here, move along.

how about WoW? (1)

niall111 (449279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180838)

Surely i'm not the only simpleton XP user that longs to switch to Linux if only I could get WoW running in just a few clicks. I'll spend a couple hours installing a distro, if it's not going to force me to spend a couple weeks reading and trial-and-error'ing my way through linux hell only to realize it's hopeless and i'll never get my game running. :( RTFM is so 1999.

Re:how about WoW? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180984)

The stock version of wine (>=0.9.29) will run WoW without patching or recompiling. As long as you have a decent 3D card, "wine WoW.exe -opengl" will get you your warcrack fix.

Re:how about WoW? (1)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181004)

Does WoW have a Linux version? (I don't know 'cause I don't play it.) If it does, it should be really easy to install (that is if Blizzard (however you spell it) are nice). If it only has a Windows installer, it is still simple (well not as simple as installing stuff from the repositories, where you just select and click install).

Get WINE, so goto Add/Remove in the applications menu, then search for "WINE" (without the " of course) put a mark in the box next to Wine Windows Emulator and then click OK. APT will download everything you need (this may take some time depending on your connection to the Internet). Then put your WoW CD in the drive, navigate to the setup.exe (or whatever it is), then double click like you would in Windoze. Then simply follow the wizard on the screen. Only one extra step from Windows, which is installing WINE.

With WINE installed, you can run quite a number of other Windows software with virtually no problems. (What is great, is that it sets it up for you, you don't have to mess about with "Run application" or whatever.)

Re:how about WoW? (1)

niall111 (449279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181188)

Interesting... My last serious attempt at linux would have been an earlier release of Ubuntu, where i had issues getting SATA RAID 0 going, but i've since moved away from RAID junk, so that wouldn't be an issue. My last real attempt at windows gaming on Linux would have been a couple years ago, and between video driver hell and WINE installation hell, i gave up after 2 weeks on linuxnewbie.org or whatever it was. I'll give the latest Ubuntu a shot this weekend and see how she flies. Vista gave me serious OS envy, but won't run worth anything with only 1GB of ram. Come on Ubuntu, save me from the demons! (or show me the demons i suppose, in the case of WoW)

Re:how about WoW? (1)

FictionPimp (712802) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181112)

I have wow running perfectly on linux, it took me about 5 minutes. Most of it was copying over the patches from my wife's computer. I've used both cedega and wine without issue. I perfer wine, it seems to run a little faster there.

I've also been told it runs in crossover office without issue.

Re:how about WoW? (1)

niall111 (449279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181292)

I would certainly guess that "took me about 5 minutes" is very much proportional to your past Linux experience. I realize as a WinTard, i'm treading dangerous waters here, but having been born and bred on Windows variants since 95, it's incredibly difficult, even though i might consider myself an XP "power user", to totally make the switch to Linux. Dual boot, or VMWare type solutions don't interest me in the least either... But at this point in my computing life, i'm at a neat crossroads where i require very little windows-only applications to suit my needs. No longer am i trying every latest game that comes out, i'm addicted to WoW along with 10 million others, and i assume many of them are in the same position. I know Linux will play my media, download my torrents, and surf the web, and if it will handle WoW without a week of grief, it would be a good time for Linux to grab me by the balls. Here's hoping.

Work(ed) fine. (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181302)

WoW runs very well under Cedega, and probably/possibly regular WINE as well. Cedega worked well with Ubuntu Dapper, and I haven't heard anything that would suggest that it's broken since then. I have a vague recollection that there was a WINE release recently, where they claimed full WoW support, but I have no idea how WINE compares to Cedega for ease of install and use.

Basically, you just want to install Ubuntu, and then before you change anything too far from the defaults or otherwise mess with things, install Cedega; then install WoW.

Before I got a Mac that was fast enough to handle WoW, I played it on a 1.9GHz P4 with a fairly unimpressive NVidia Quadro NVS card (64MB, maybe?), and it was entirely playable, although the FPS dropped to what you'd expect given that setup, in the more crowded areas. I assume with better hardware that you'd be all set.

Whatever happened to version numbers? (2)

AdamHaeder (798675) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180844)

I simply can't remember what names equal what versions anymore. I guess for people that only deal with Ubuntu, that's all you know, so you remember the names. I had this problem with debian as well: which one was the newer distro, ham or potato? Whatever happened to plain old numbers?

Re:Whatever happened to version numbers? (1)

ip_vjl (410654) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180898)

The release name is just a name. It will have a version number when it ships (as Ubuntu's version numbers are the release date).

If you actually go to the Ubuntu site, you'll see they list the current version as "6.10" and not as "Edgy Eft".

The release name allows them to have a name by which to refer to the release that is independent of the release date. That way if the release date had to slip, it wouldn't mean that you are no longer working on version Y.MM but instead Y.MM+1

Re:Whatever happened to version numbers? (2, Informative)

DnsZero (78994) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180902)

Some of the other distros do get a bit odd, but the Ubuntu releases are in alphabetical order...

Dapper
Edgy
Feisty

Just as good as numbers, as long you remember the alphabet song.

Re:Whatever happened to version numbers? (4, Informative)

Bazman (4849) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180920)

Ubuntu version names are (now) alphabetical, so Dapper Drake preceded Edgy Eft, which precedes Feisty Fawn. The names are always Adjective Animal ('eft' is another name for a newt).

There are also version numbers, so that Edgy Eft is 6.10 (meaning year 2006, month 10). The releases are supposed to be every six months in April and October.

Barry

Huh? (0, Troll)

British (51765) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181180)

Ubuntu version names are (now) alphabetical, so Dapper Drake preceded Edgy Eft, which precedes Feisty Fawn. The names are always Adjective Animal ('eft' is another name for a newt).

With the headline and the above sentence, I can now see why Linux isn't ready for the mass market with such bizarre wording. :)

Perhaps plain, boring version numbers would be better. The goofy names are just asking the writers of Hot Shots! to come up with some joke like the phonetics they used.

Re:Whatever happened to version numbers? (1)

Fungii (153063) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180946)

I simply can't remember what names equal what versions anymore. I guess for people that only deal with Ubuntu, that's all you know, so you remember the names. I had this problem with debian as well: which one was the newer distro, ham or potato? Whatever happened to plain old numbers?
ehhh.. don't you know the alphabet?

Re:Whatever happened to version numbers? (1)

xs650 (741277) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181076)

The English alphabet, to be a bit more specific

Re:Whatever happened to version numbers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18181140)

They are alphabetical. If you know your abc's you will know which is the latest.
(started with B), Breezy Badger, (skipped c), Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft, Feisty Fawn... See the pattern now?

Herd 5? (1)

Ikoma Andy (41693) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180852)

Where have I been?!?! RMS is already up to version 5?!?!

Less with the stupid names already (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18180886)

These names are invented by faggots. What next -- Gay Goat?

Breaking news! (5, Funny)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | more than 7 years ago | (#18180990)

Feisy Fawn is even closer as I type!

Tollef Fog Heen came back from lunch and just turned on his screen. Now that is progress.

Oh man, we live excilarating times.

Please check back for updates:

In one hour Tollef Fog Heen will finish to write an email.

In three hours Tollef Fog Heen will complete one icon missing in one of the menus in the graphic installer.

In 5 hours Tollef Fog Heen goes home. Nooooooo! Ubuntu development stalled! Stop the presses....

Will Feisty Fawn be an LTS release? (3, Interesting)

ELiTeUI (591102) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181080)

Dapper Drake (6.06) was an LTS release. Edgy Eft (6.10) was not an LTS release. Does anyone know if Feisty Fawn will be LTS or not?

Re:Will Feisty Fawn be an LTS release? (2, Informative)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181166)

It won't.

The one after it might be. I've heard the release cycle as of Dapper was meant to be first an LTS release, then a release with radical new changes (ala Upstart), then a polished release-of-awesome, then back to LTS again. That's probably just speculation; take it with a large grain of salt.

Feisty Fawn shpping - Debian slipping as usual (2, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181250)

I actually thought Debian was closing in on a release quite soon when they slipped their December release goal. Well, it's now March tomorrow and they still haven't even gotten RC2 out the door. Yes, I can understand the "when it's ready" but if you run into so long delays that you could have an intermediate release, then it's better than no release at all. At this rate, Ubuntu might have their next LTS version out before Debian does...

Not sexy enough (4, Funny)

ciaran.mchale (1018214) | more than 7 years ago | (#18181280)

Feisty Fawn is not sexy enough. I'm going to wait for the Nubile Nymph release.
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