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Casual Play on 360 Live Arcade

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the uno-and-fish-and-geometry-oh-my dept.

XBox (Games) 48

twoallbeefpatties writes "Columnist Chris Suellentrop writes an article for Slate describing how his desire for casual gaming is fulfilled more by the 360 than the Wii due to the presence of simpler games available over Live Arcade. The availability of oldschool Nintendo games on the Wii network fulfills his nostalgic hardcore gaming side, but when he really wants to just relax, he'd rather be trying to top his Live high score on Root Beer Tapper. Says Suellentrop: 'The Nintendo Wii will transform the way we play games at home. But the Xbox 360, through its Xbox Live service, is building something equally compelling: a celestial arcade, where casual and hard-core gamers alike can connect over the Internet and find like-minded souls. For an old-timer like me, the celestial arcade also lets me feel like I still have some of my old gaming mojo.'"

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48 comments

Playing Catch Up (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18187738)

In all fairness, the 360 has had a full year head start over the Wii. Which means that the Live! service is well developed to meet the needs of the (rather massive) casual gaming market. However, I do expect that to change in the near future. For one, Nintendo has already stated that they'll be hosting "Wii Ware" downloadable games that can be purchased from the Wii Store. Rumors are already circulating that Super Paper Mario could be the first.

For another, tons of gaming sites have popped up to fill the "casual" needs through the Opera Web Browser. In fact, the most popular [wiicade.com] of these sites just announced a new API [digg.com] that lets game programmers make use of *all* of the Wiimote's buttons. If they get multiplayer gaming up and going (e.g. poker, battleship, hearts, etc.), they could end up being an impressive force for casual gaming on the Wii.

Re:Playing Catch Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18187844)

Live has been around longer than a year. What I'd like to see on Nintentdo's service is the ability to demo before purchasing, which Live has.

Re:Playing Catch Up (4, Insightful)

Aaron England (681534) | more than 7 years ago | (#18187934)

In all fairness, why does one need to be fair to Nintendo? If Microsoft had a year head start, then would that not also imply that Nintendo had an additional year to plan? Both companies made trade offs, and we are now seeing the results of their works. An 80% solution today is often more desirable than a 100% solution tomorrow.

Re:Playing Catch Up (1)

the1rob (1047478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18188910)

HooAhh!

Sorry..."The 80% Solution" is a common military phrase...

Re:Playing Catch Up (1)

Falladir (1026636) | more than 7 years ago | (#18190234)

You're right that no "handicapping" based on the age of system is in order. But the ages are currently quite disproportionate, sixteen months is a lot more than three. If the Wii is behind now, it still has plenty of time to catch up before this generation's systems have matured.

Re:Playing Catch Up (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18195194)

You're right that no "handicapping" based on the age of system is in order. But the ages are currently quite disproportionate, sixteen months is a lot more than three. If the Wii is behind now, it still has plenty of time to catch up before this generation's systems have matured.

Also of note, in that 3 month period they have published more VC titles than XBLA to date (something like 59 to 53). The issue currently isn't the lack of games, it's a lack of certain types. If you want card games on the Wii you are SOL. If you want 2D shooters, you are in heaven.

Re:Playing Catch Up (1)

Hades- (16878) | more than 7 years ago | (#18196594)

except the xbla has quite a few original games, where the VC are just doing a COPY C:\roms\kidicarus.nes D:\VC\NES\ROMS and charging money. Granted some are shitty ports (I'm looking at you Namco.) but overall there's some pretty neat stuff. I hope Nintendo kicks it up a notch and puts some original content on there. :(

Re:Playing Catch Up (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#18194860)

An 80% solution today is often more desirable than a 100% solution tomorrow.

Yes but a console will last for longer than just a few weeks so it's important to evaluate both the current offerings and the expected future development. I'm not saying I expect the Wii to become better than the 360 but I don't think a snapshot with such big differences in the system lifetime is a meaningful way to predict how the systems will behave a year or two from now.

Re:Playing Catch Up (3, Informative)

stubear (130454) | more than 7 years ago | (#18189022)

Microsof actually has about 10 years of prior experience in this field, not just the one year head start for the XBOX360. Microsoft purchased a company with a single product, The Internet Game Zone, and turned it into a web-based game site. Initially there were a few card games (hearts, spades, bridge), backgammon, chess and checkers, or something like that. They started adding games like Luxor, Zuma, and Bejewelled not long after that. zone.msn.com now has hundreds of games, some flash based, some java based. A number of these are ripe for inclusion on XBOX Live Arcade and hopefully Zune 2.0.

Re:Playing Catch Up (2, Informative)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 7 years ago | (#18189728)

I think they will be. In case you didn't know, the Microsoft Games Division just this week sent out invitations to join the Games for Windows Live (Xbox Live for Windows) beta to some people who registered interest, which will essentially merge their Windows online gaming division with their Xbox gaming division and have one platform - also allowing things like Halo PC players playing against Xbox Halo players in one environment. I presume we'll see the inclusion of all the arcade style Zone games into the XBLA library.

cross-platform play (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18193074)

I recently read (apologies, forgot where) that Halo 2 won't be allowing PC vs console multi. Possibly by the time Halo 3 comes out for PC that will be an option.
Shadowrun, on the other hand, will be allowing PC vs console multiplayer. However, I've heard the game and particularly the interface is gimped on PC - no hotkeys for special powers, slow movement, stickyaim only for controller users, that kind of thing. Shame, I would have been up for settling that flamewar in the arena...

Re:Playing Catch Up (2, Interesting)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#18191448)

Something about the Zone. Maybe you can explain.

There was a time when there were a lot of premium games on the Zone where you had to buy the PC game and the zone would be the matchmaking area. Age of Empires, Birth of the Federation, and other PC games like that. I even remember some of MS's subscription titles like Allegiance and Asheron's Call launched through the zone.

I just checked the site out, and it's entirely these casual games. When did this change happen? I missed the old zone from a nostalgic point of view. Just looking for someone to play Birth of the Federation with.... I suppose games these days come with their own networking software/matchmaking or use gamespy.

Maybe Windows Gaming Live is an attempt to bring this all back.

Re:Playing Catch Up (1)

famikon (994709) | more than 7 years ago | (#18196374)

And in all fairness, this guy isn't writing the editorial 13 months from now. If I buy a console this weekend, it is because I want to use it now, along with its current offerings. It's not me planning ahead for what might be available for it one year from now.

Re:Playing Catch Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18196480)

In all fairness? Come on.

Hi man, add my wii to your friends list! My name is 2345 2934 2966 7985.

Oh wanna play some games?

Well my Mario code is 3495 3794 8727 5864
my metroid code is 6826 8155 9682 6874

Get my drift? Who the fuck thought the friends code on the wii was going to be a good idea? It sucked on the DS and they still brought it over. Ugh. I'm digging my wii but I'll be the first to admit that Nintendo is fucking up the online scene. Come on, it's 2007 why the fuck are they using compuserve id numbers? It's bad enough for one game, but for EVERY freaking game that has online access you need a different code...

It's easier than this... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18187880)

"But the Xbox 360, through its Xbox Live service, is building something equally compelling: a celestial arcade, where casual and hard-core gamers alike can connect over the Internet and find like-minded souls."

You don't even have to "find" people...and being an incredibly busy anti-socialite, I simply don't have the time or desire to make friends online for video games. I purchased "Small Arms" for $6.25 on XBLA...it's like Super Smash Bros., but with furries, guns and explosives (and no yiffing). I started an online match and in seconds I had 3 other people playing on my system.

When O when... (0, Offtopic)

noz (253073) | more than 7 years ago | (#18187926)

When did "columnists" and "journalists" begin writing about this shit? It's not news. It's not an editorial. It's an advertisement. Who cares?

Re:When O when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18187990)

Since when did someone that writes for "Slate" get to be called a columnist or a journalist?

Re:When O when... (1)

noz (253073) | more than 7 years ago | (#18188358)

Amen brother.

Perhaps the editors of /. should be more careful with their posting of Slate articles, The Register, and the like. A man can dream.

Great Environment for Online Poker (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#18187992)

If you enjoy online poker and are not a junkie running five or six tables at the same time with some kind of computer assist, XBL is a great environment.

You can chat with others at the table, the pacing is just right. You can build a competitive bank roll so, by the time you get to the second level, people play like they actually have something at stake.

And I got in on the game when it was available for free in the full version. But it's definitely worth the $6 or whatever it costs to purchase with points.

That's just like your opinion...man. (2, Insightful)

BrickM (178032) | more than 7 years ago | (#18187994)

Obviously both consoles have fun, short/small downloadable games for cheap prices. In the end, the article is more about personal preferences in games, than any sort of comparable quality. Especially since the 360 has an entire year head start over the Wii.

Personally, I'd rather play Super Mario world and Legend of Zelda than most of the games on Live Arcade. One of the reasons is that they're known quantities, whereas many of the Live ports have been very dubious in quality (anyone who made the mistake of getting Contra knows what I'm talking about here). Everything from Nintendo has been incredibly well emulated, with the added bonus of being able to have a "save state" that means you can pause the game, turn off the console and come back to play later. Man, I wish my NES and SNES had that years ago.

So while I'd come down on the side of the Wii in this debate, in the end it's totally personal preference on the games - just like it always is with this console debates.

Re: Where are the casual games? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18194336)

Personally, I'd rather play Super Mario world and Legend of Zelda than most of the games on Live Arcade. One of the reasons is that they're known quantities, whereas many of the Live ports have been very dubious in quality (anyone who made the mistake of getting Contra knows what I'm talking about here). Everything from Nintendo has been incredibly well emulated, with the added bonus of being able to have a "save state" that means you can pause the game, turn off the console and come back to play later. Man, I wish my NES and SNES had that years ago.

So while I'd come down on the side of the Wii in this debate, in the end it's totally personal preference on the games - just like it always is with this console debates.

Ironically I have the same gripe as the Parent column, but I agree with you. I have 12 VC titles now, and about 5 Live arcade games. In general I play Street Fighter II, or DKC or Mario64 more than the 'casual games' like Uno or Bejeweled. My issue though, is what about my parents? They are as Non-gamer as can be, but were entertained to no end with WiiSports, so much that I got them a Wii for Christmas. They still play it, and use the channels, but what VC games would you recommend to them? Where's UNO? Suduku? Bejeweled? Brain Age? Hell, even Tetris!

The funny thing is Nintendo is bringing in "casuals" into the market, but looking at their current software (both VC, and Retail) most of it is still targeting the hard core.

Xbox Online Becoming A Bit Of A Joke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18188082)

Sony is leading the way with free online play and dedicated servers. And the indy game market on PSN is already starting to boom for independent developers with games like GripShift,Flow,Calling All Cars,Tekken and other smaller games just in the first few months. And then there are all of the huge library of existing PS1 and PSP games starting to be made available for download.

Nintendo's online efforts have been marred by their fumbling of online Wii gaming and friend codes, but their huge library of Nintendo classic games available for download is very cool since it is a free service just like Sony has.

Microsoft is the odd company out with the huge 50 dollar a year fee. You can buy yourself a Wii with the money you will spend just to have access to Microsoft's online service and the ability to play games. The independent developer game library has been very weak although the demos from developers is good compared to the other two companies.

Sony is rapidly adding features to their online service with each update. Hopefully Nintendo will get moving on getting developers going with online support for games. But gamers are increasingly asking Microsoft what exactly are we paying all this money for if we can't even have something so fundamental to an online service as dedicated servers.

Re:Xbox Online Becoming A Bit Of A Joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18188578)

come on.. post with your real user account so you can modded down for flamebait or a troll... yes I'm aware I'm posting as an AC as well.

Re:Xbox Online Becoming A Bit Of A Joke (3, Insightful)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#18189700)

I agree about the dedicated servers. For a paid service, it's outrageous that the games are still hosted on individual players' home connections, which is what makes all the "standby" cheating possible. Matchmaking is cool and all, but Halo is a much better experience on the PC than on the Xbox because of dedicated hosts.

Re:Xbox Online Becoming A Bit Of A Joke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18190190)

I didn't think dedicated servers were that big of a deal until I finally played some Resistance deathmatches at a friend's house recently. It only took a couple matches to be blown away by how good it was. Neither H2 or Gears are just not in the same league when it comes to network performance - and that includes the levels where I was playing against 30-40 other people. The game never once drops a frame or any lag. Ever. It was shocking. I am seeing more and more 360 owners starting to demand dedicated servers from Microsoft. Hopefully Microsoft will listen. Unfortunately H3 sounds like it is not going to have dedicated servers. I'm not sure I can go back now. It's kind of like watching 1080p movies for the first time and then going back to your old 480i TV.

Re:Xbox Online Becoming A Bit Of A Joke (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 7 years ago | (#18189786)

And Microsoft is in the process of implementing a service whereby you can develop XNA-based Xbox 360 games which will run on the XB360 and Windows, and share them via Live. Well, that service already exists. But what's in progress is the ability for any Joe to create a game with XNA Studio, and SELL it via Live. I think that sort of idea blows both Sony's and Nintendo's out of the water. Think about it... indy games are quite often better than mass-market alternatives (note that they can be extremely crap too), so the ability to get them cheaply and have them just work - without needing the Code Signing that pressed games need - would really lower the barrier of entry to people with kickass ideas but no money (to get an XDK) to implement them. And the icing on the cake is that the same games "just work" on Windows too (NO, not just Vista. XP too).

Re:Xbox Online Becoming A Bit Of A Joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18198804)

Ummm....wow. If you think for a second that Microsoft would allow unsigned code to run on the XB360, let alone give consumers access to tools that allow you to develop unsigned apps, you are completely wrong. Unsigned code WILL NOT run on an XB360 (just ask Michael Klucher, Program Manager, XNA Game Studio).

And not just anyone will be able to develop a game and have it run on XBL. It still needs to go through the same testing and approval process that the studios go through.

for the record (2, Informative)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18188142)

Geometry Wars is the best game ever for fans of old-school shooters like centipede, asteroids, & galaga

Re:for the record (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18188248)

Nope.

But that is something you hear from people who were stuck with a 400 dollar Xbox 360 and nothing worth buying or playing.

Re:for the record (1)

Falladir (1026636) | more than 7 years ago | (#18190300)

If information about casual shooters is topical here, I'll offer some.

For a fun pc-based diversion, check out Binary Zoo's Mono [binaryzoo.com] : part Asteroids, part Robotron, part Paint Shop Pro. The Binary Zoo people are a great crowd. They're doing creative stuff, and in this decadent age, they still take the trouble to optimize their code.

Also, google Kenta Cho and check out his games. Some are pretty generic shoot-'em-ups, but others are quite unique. He's writing in D, so again, it's great stuff for older machines. Of his stuff, I most enjoy a7x and Tumiki Fighter. With interesting physics and challenging gameplay, these are games for grownups. Some of it is GPL'ed too, if that makes a difference to you.

XBLA - Good, But Lacking... (1)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 7 years ago | (#18188236)

Personally, I've enjoyed the Xbox Live Arcade features on the 360 ever I got mine back at its launch date. (Hexic being an all-time favorite.) However, there are a few areas I'd like to see more development in, particularly with titles you can quickly pick up and play for a few minutes (puzzle games) or titles that can be played with many people on the same system (board games or party games).

While I'll admit some of the newer 3D titles are fun, they're often far more complicated and would require splitting the screen to support more than one player at a time on the same system. There's definitely a market for titles like these, but it shouldn't become the sole attraction of the XBLA now that Microsoft has relaxed its requirements.

For right now though, I'd like to see games like Scrabble or Monopoly brought into the line-up. Even better, they could support up to 4-players online with the game boards and relevent info on the left side of the screen, while supporting a 4-way party-line style video/voice chat with the Xbox Vision camera, all displayed stacked on the right side of the screen. A setup like this would make a killing.

Re:XBLA - Good, But Lacking... (1)

sixpaw (648825) | more than 7 years ago | (#18188766)

Hear, hear. As someone who picked up a 360 this past holiday largely on the basis of Live Arcade (okay, and the $100 rebate I got), I'd love to get more classic board-gamey stuff on the system. The impending release of Settlers of Catan [wikipedia.org] is a great sign, but it'd be good to get a lot more breadth in that particular marketplace, too -- and Scrabble would be a perfect place to start.

Re:XBLA - Good, But Lacking... (2, Informative)

Preeminence (784375) | more than 7 years ago | (#18188880)

XBLA is actually about to get a number of classic boardgames. No Monopoly or Scrabble (the licensing fees would probably be astronomical so as to not outstrip sales of the real thing), but games like Settlers of Catan, Carcassonne and Alhambra, all very involving strategy board games, should be here in the spring. There's a pretty nice interview with the lead developer of Settlers at http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/22/off-the-grid-int erviews-brian-reynolds-of-big-huge-games/ [joystiq.com]

Re:XBLA - Good, But Lacking... (1)

Beefysworld (1005767) | more than 7 years ago | (#18190806)

I definitely agree on the 'pick up and play' aspect of many of the XBLA games. If I've got a spare 30 minutes before I have to be somewhere, I'll sit down and play Lumines for a while, or maybe even try some of the other titles I've purchased. More puzzle games would be nice. I enjoyed Marble Blast Ultra, love Lumines (though the standard 360 controller isn't the best for playing) and would like to see some other classics. A simple, cheap Tetris clone never goes astray.

360 arcade== Whee! (2, Insightful)

CedhedCO (1067416) | more than 7 years ago | (#18188500)

One of the bigger surprises when I bought my 360 was the arcade. I got it with Dead Rising and Chrome Hounds. After getting thoroughly frustrated or bored with both titles one night I started looking for something to do with my $400 investment. $30 later in the arcade and now I have a collection of games I can pick up and play whenever. Some of them are pretty inventive. Wik is very strange but good. Not to mention they have DOOM! Quite a few of them have multiplayer built in too.

Naturally these won't supplant the normal A list titles, but when I am looking for some quick game play they fit the bill nicely. Just have to make sure to download the demos before buying them, the quality can vary widely.

This is a garbage 'column', not an article (2, Insightful)

Rosebud128 (930419) | more than 7 years ago | (#18190738)

One columnist finds himself playing XBLA more than Wii for his 'casual gaming fix', so he writes a column branching his feelings as the reality of the marketplace? Why is Zonk posting this 'column' anyway? It is all 100% of one person's feelings.

Here is some real information. Most casual games and gamers are on the PC. Most casual gamers are females. XBLA was not originally intended for what it became which is why the model for game releases cannot be met (there are weeks where there have been no releases or, worse, something worthless like Kameo Uno Theme Pack). People buy Xbox 360s for Gears of War, not to play UNO online. There is a reason why Gears of War has sold so much (which contradicts our "insightful" columnist).

It has been said that console companies were leaving much money behind on the table by failing to penetrate the huge casual gamers (on PCs). If a console ere to do that, it would sell and sell and sell. There is a current console out there that appears to be doing that. And, by looking at Japanese sales charts for the unbundled 'casual games', I see Wii Sports and Wii Play in the top ten weekly with the occasional first week of sales of a PS2/PSP game (which then immediately disapears from the chart). The rest of the top 30 are DS games.

Imagine if someone wrote a column where he "felt" that the PS3 was an 'incredible value' at its price. Would Zonk call it an 'article'? Sales data would refute the idea that most customers find the PS3 'an incredible value at its price' which is why no one would take seriously of such an opinion. So why is this story, which is one columnist's opinion, even linked on Slashdot?

A columnist can feel whatever he wants, but the market and sales data are the reality. Zonk linking to such opinion pieces is not helping readers understand what is really going on.

Re:This is a garbage 'column', not an article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18191248)

Cite your "facts". Legitimate citations, not your uncle's website about stamp collecting and his Mii collection.

Get on it, otherwise your whole post was trash.

Re:This is a garbage 'column', not an article (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#18191960)

Wow, you want to push an agenda dont you?

I do not know about Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 but I have not played Wii for more than two weeks now, after I finished Red Steel. Because there are no fucking games available.


Have a look at the Wii VC, what games do you have? not too much games for your so called "Casual Gamer" uh?, Mario Bros an dother NES games were not for the casual gamer 15 years ago and are not now. I havent bought any of those games because they are too damn expensive [in UK at least] for what they are, I can play them in the PC anyways.

And, by looking at Japanese sales charts for the unbundled 'casual games', I see Wii Sports and Wii Play in the top ten weekly with the occasio
I bought both of them, the one I play mostly is Wii Sports, but in order for it to be fun I need to play it with other people, something I cant do so often as I do not control the actions of my friends, and they are "Casual Gamer" meaning they will only play some weekends. Oh, and the fact that they must come to my house to play also makes it hard.

Wii play is crap. It would be a bit less crap /if/ it was for more than two player... The games are OK for 10 mintues but after that it is boring, and of course it makes no sense playing it alone.

So yeah, as the sibling poster said, please give us references for some of your claims. All I have is personal experience. You can read on each story where the Wii is bashed that some zealot is going to come to apologize saying that the Wii is this or the wii is that but hey, I bought into the hype and here I am.

I like my Wii (pun intended) I think it is cool, it is the only console I have as I cant afford the Ps3 or the Xbox2. So no, I am not a MS os Sony zealot. I am just a frstrated player. Right now the games I play are www.tacticsarena.com and Neverwinternights 1. On the PC of course. But from what I have read is available on Xbox Live, it really looks nice (for example the Worms game, which is a very good multiplayer game that I used to play with my girlfriend on the PC, the N64 version has IMHO the best controls setup (simple) comapred to the World party... for which you need to memorize the whole keyboard and has thousands of options).

Re:This is a garbage 'column', not an article (1)

Rosebud128 (930419) | more than 7 years ago | (#18204162)

One person's opinion is not a news story. Don't attack me, the messenger, (i.e. accusing me with some agenda) by pointing out there was no reason for this column to be linked to at all as it was just one person's feelings (with no facts behind it). What is next? Is Slashdot going to link to blog entries?

My agenda is high quality at Slashdot. There are PLENTY of gaming news going on each and everyday without wasting a link to a column about one person's feelings. If your feelings 'align' with his, that doesn't make the column any more 'factual' since there are no facts involved at all. Slashdot linking to a single person saying he doesn't use his Mac, doesn't use his PS3, no longer uses his Toaster, etc. would be just as worthless.

Arcade? (1)

cybereal (621599) | more than 7 years ago | (#18191676)

I'm waiting for all the arcade ports to come to the Wii. The games I'm thinking of just can't come to the other consoles without extra effort. I'm thinking of games that are more physically involving. We already have somewhat similar instances. For example, there is this silly samurai game that is played with a foam sword in a sensor cage at the real life arcade. Red Steel has this aspect to some degree. But honestly, I wish it was "on rails" like the arcade game. I know some people hate games on rails but that *IS* the arcade experience.

Some games are there in some form or coming, like batting in Wii sports. If it was a little more simulation-like I'd be happier. Golf, bowling, etc. All games played frequently with odd physically interactive controls in a real arcade.

Of course, I have a 360 and definitely find the XBLA to be a great product of that system. However, I've yet to encounter a game that I can justify a purchase for. I'd be up for any suggestions anyone might have, so long as you are willing to describe your reasons for the suggestions.

As it is I'm enjoying graphically intensive, FPS, and RPG games on the 360 and casual, action, and adventure games on the Wii. Not to mention the Virtual Console allowing me to easily play (read: not with a contrived and obnoxiously designed emulator setup) some of my favorite games of all time on my 110" projected screen. Every time I boot up Super Mario Bros. I have flashbacks to "The Wizard." :)

Re:Arcade? (1)

Prophet of Nixon (842081) | more than 7 years ago | (#18194772)

I've no interest in the Wii at all right now, but if they ever really get the lightgun functionality worked out (and maybe release a proper gun for it) and then release some stuff like House of the Dead, Time Crisis, Confidential Mission, or Virtua Cop, or even that Konami series from the Genesis whose name I can't remember, I'll get one in a heartbeat.

I've been seriously missing that stuff, and Dreamcast lightguns won't work with my TV since it deinterlaces frames (seems to mess them up somehow).

Also, on Live Arcade, Assault Heroes is a great 2 player game, and Alien Hominid is great too. I get the impression that Arcade is finally starting to get its act together. Personally, I want 3 things on it (none of which will ever happen): Zombie Smashers X2, Alien Shooter: Vengeance, and an HD remake of Tyrian.

Re:Arcade? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18196384)

I've no interest in the Wii at all right now, but if they ever really get the lightgun functionality worked out...

The pointer works amazingly well. Some games have poor implementations of it, but using it in the Wii menu or Nintendo 1st party games it works great, so I wouldn't fault the hardware. I WANT some light gun games (Rayman RR had a great Arcade type Light gun game), and the 'Zapper shell' looks pimp. I'd be all aboard for that.

Re:Arcade? (1)

wikthemighty (524325) | more than 7 years ago | (#18196680)

I'm waiting for all the arcade ports to come to the Wii.

Same here.

While some of the NES versions are OK, it just seems lazy for Nintendo to put them on the VC instead of the original arcade versions. (Presumably they are reusing the Gamecube NES emulator code...)

Multiplayer online point (1)

Taulin (569009) | more than 7 years ago | (#18193798)

I think the writer makes a good point. Why play old Nintendo game when you can find simple, as much as addicting, and multiplayer games on Live? I myself have not signed up for the Gold membership, and didn't think much about those games on Live. However, after seeing this point, I have to ask myself why would I want to play Mario brothers again? I have already been there and done that. Still want a Wii though, and love my 360.

Author doesn't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18194898)

If he was a casual gamer then he wouldn't be paying for XBox Live! Obviously, since he owns both a Wii and a 360, he's so far from being a casual gamer that he doesn't even understand what the term means. I work in a videogame store and from this experience I know that the most popular games among casual gamers are NamcoMuseum (for Pac-Man) and sports games. The casual gamer is much more likely to spend money on Super Mario Bros. on the Wii store than buy a PC shareware game off of XBox Live!

Furthermore, the Wii's interactivity makes it perfect for most sports games (I'm still skeptical about basketball, but Madden 2007 for Wii is one of the best football games ever made). Anyway, it's perfect for golf, football, and baseball, which are all important to casual players. Then all the min-games for Wii add even more value to the casual player. Rayman, WarioWare, Wii Sports/Play, the upcoming Mario Party 8, and much more on the way. These are the type of games that casual gamers buy.

The XBox Live! Arcade is good for the casual gamer who lives with a hardcore gamer that already owns a 360, but very few casual gamers will pay $400 for a system to play Bejeweled on.

Finally! A causual place for my racist rants (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#18195296)

As an aging racist, I get a little tired of the hectic pace of FPS's like Halo 2 on Live. Sure, it's still rewarding to yell out "The Holocaust never happened!" in Halo 2, but everyone is running around so fast that no one really even notices. I long for a more laid-back gaming experience, one where I'm not judged soley on my twitch-quick reflexes. I want a game that requires strategy and thinking, to complement my diatribes about how Mexicans are filthy thieves. When I interact with others, I want them to be more than just the guy that goes running past me before I can even get the chance to call him a nigger. I want some time to get to KNOW the other players before I blast them with racial epithets.

I really think this casual games movement could be a great thing. Whether you're a racist like me, a teenager who's looking to teabag his opponents in a more relaxed atmosphere, or just a griefer looking to annoy people without having to be constantly moving; casual games are the future.

-Eric

Moot point (1)

^_^x (178540) | more than 7 years ago | (#18199958)

I'll never buy a 360... ...but I've never even SEEN a Wii. Not even a demo unit. And I've been looking because back when they launched, I really wanted one. Now my interest is waning, but it's still (as far as I'M concerned,) as good as vaporware. No stores have them locally, and none even know a ballpark figure of when they'll have them on shelves.

*goes back to PS2 DC and GC*

Re:Moot point (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18211912)

In Norway, Wiis are plentiful, and I've seen it on sale in Denmark (at almost 20% off). The PS3 is due out on the 23rd, but I can't imagine it will be sold out due to the extreme pricing.
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