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Minor Slashdot Updates

CmdrTaco posted more than 14 years ago | from the bringing-you-up-to-speed dept.

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We made several changes today. Most of them are "Under the Hood" and you shouldn't see any difference since we tested the changes out pretty heavily on a devel box. Several odd little bugs have popped up tho, and we're squashing them as quickly as we can. Send your bug reports to pater@slashdot.org. The only noticable change you should see is some structural changes to the user settings pages: it was getting pretty unwieldly so we split it apart to make it easier to deal with.

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infinite loop bug (1)

cdlu (65838) | more than 14 years ago | (#1574993)

i am getting a weird bug -
between refreshes i get logged out.
i logged back in on the main page, and followed the user-info link at the top of the page for me, where i was asked to log in again. after logging in there, i was sent back to the main page.
back to square one.
the error is not applying to the replies, just to my userinfo. which worked on the third or fourth time through....weird :)
anyone else finding this?

Login troubles. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1574994)

Things are probably being messed with as I type this but I'm having trouble getting and staying logged in. Seems OK at this very moment but I coundn't get in at all about 5 minutes ago.

Re:Some stuff (2)

Uruk (4907) | more than 14 years ago | (#1574995)

I thought at one point that this would be a good idea, but I'm worried that it would foster too much competition and people just spewing out comments that are OK, or somewhat average, just hoping for a few that might get a few moderation points out of the moderators.

Oh, and I think that I might be able to tell you off hand who some of the people are with the highest karmas - often, somebody who is "known" within the community, e.g. ESR, Perens, maybe Havoc Pennington, or somebody like that will post in response to an article about them or written by them to answer questions relating to the article. Because they are the topic, and they are "known", they almost always get moderated straight up into the sky, because people like them.

I don't have any objection to that, I think if Perens posts about an article relating to himself, that's relevant, and he deserves to be moderated up. Just observing that "known" people usually have ridiculously high karmas.

Oh, and I know what you mean about the offtopic posts - it would be nice to have different moderations like Offtopic-Interesting that would maybe be worth +1 or +0.5 and Offtopic-Troll or whatever that would be the normal -1.

Re:Login troubles. (1)

Davorama (11731) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575006)

OK, maybe I am still having trouble becasue I sure thought I was logged in when I typed that message. If this comes up as an AC post then you can consider this a bug report....

News for everyone else. Stuff that don't matter (3)

Money__ (87045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575007)

"Dotstash.org News for everyone else. Stuff that don't matter"

At any given moment in time, Rob and the boys have 200+ stories pending there review for posting on the 'one and only' /. Once the stories are reviewed they could be posted on another domain that would still be a source of add revenue for slashdot. (a few come to mind ..dotstash.org everythingelse.org blockhackers.org quickies.org).

The stories could be posted there AFTER a 24 hour delay (thus keeping the speed cache' of /. in tact).

No comments, no moderation, no more work on the back end except, perhaps, a script for parsing and moving it over the to the store on the other domain. Just a st(r)eaming heap of rejected stories.

Karma, moderation and meta-discussion (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575008)


Since this is the first Slashdot thread in a while, I'll take the chance to say some stuff about the system:

I agree with the person who suggested a permanent "user forum" for such meta-discussions.


a) There ought be a page that showed users ranked by karma. Or put a users rank on his page. Or at least show the percentile. I realize that Karma is not a competition, but I can't help but be curious who really is the top etc (and yes I realize I'm not "in the running", I just said its not a competition). Still, if people started treating it like a competition meta-moderating would get them, so it couldn't really hurt.

No! I'm already too affected by karma, sometimes too willing to post stupid comments that I suspect the moderators will like it, or reluctant to be honest on some controversial subjects (like what I really felt about the killing of the two spammers) because it would harm my karma. A ranking would just make it worse.


Apropos karma, I believe that too many gets an automatic 2. It is hard to find those articles which are moderated up because they contain a gem, among those articles that start with a high score because the posters sometimes in the past have said something smart. Maybe the karma should be based on some kind of weighted average, rather than a straight sum. That would help the problems that most of the hyperactive posters have an automatic score bonus.


b) I'm bothered by "off-topic" and "redundant" moderating deep down in the discussions. There is no harm in people straying from the topic when its not in the main thread.

Yeah, agreed, I usually leave them alone when meta-moderating. Because most often the articles in question are redundant or off-topic. So this is a suggestion to the moderators, be a litle more lenient of these deep down in the discussion.

Help for the Slash Engine (2)

matthewg (6374) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575009)

Help for people trying to run the Slash engine is available from The Slash-Help Mailing List [asu.edu] .

Login Problems (5)

CowboyNeal (4) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575010)

A lot of people are reporting login problems. Please quit your browser, delete your /. cookies and restart. This /should/ help fix it. Email me if you're still having problems.

Thanks.

Randomize display order of posts (1)

gargle (97883) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575011)

There should be an option for moderators to randomize the order which the posts are displayed. This will get rid of any chronological bias.

Re:Reject List (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575012)

This is a great idea...

Re:Spooky. (2)

Hemos (2) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575013)

Heh. That's been lotsa changes over the last year - they are just subtle. Meta-moderation was a pretty big change, tho, IMHO.

Re:Preserve Preferences on Archived Stories? (1)

Hemos (2) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575014)

Can't. It'd be a massive amount of load on the servers - maybe someday, but not right now.

Changes (3)

fader (107759) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575017)

It doesn't seem to be applying some of my preferences (like Nested vs. Threaded comments - I have it set as Nested in my preferences, but it seems to have just started ignoring that today.) Anyone else having similar problems, or did I just break something on my own?

Good Job Rob (2)

MrPlab (79403) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575019)

Great Job Rob, I commend you on all the work you've done. I mean, sure - it's warrented and everything, but I just think that with the amount of people who rely on SlashDot for all their news (just like I do), it's definitley a self-less act.

I'm one of those people who've tried to run the SlashDot Engine on my own and have tried countless times to post stories daily to no avail. It's been pathetic, and I have a story about every week - but hey, at least it's something.

Thanks to the not-so-behind the scenes people at SlashDot (Taco, Hemos, Roblimo, Nate, etc.). I can't speak for everyone else (but I could assume..) but I think it's all good.

Thanks again,
Matthew
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Re: Nested gets Threaded (1)

LePelican (91303) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575022)

same here

Re: (1)

SegFault (547) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575024)

Me too, and I'd like to add that in the Reply-To box, the place where the previous comment is supposed to be is blank.

"Slashdot User Forum" (5)

Shaheen (313) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575026)

Every now and then, I get the urge to ask Taco and Hemos and the others at Slashdot about a particular thing (for instance, what's this thing do? And I don't think this works well...). However, I don't find myself taking the time to do this because I think it needs input from the rest of the community.

One thing that's been on my mind is "Where has Slashdot Radio been?" Considering the amount of e-mail swampage the Slashdot crew is probably under, I just don't take the time to e-mail them.

I was wondering, would it be possible to have a monthly (semi-monthly?) "Slashdot User Forum". All it would be is a regular Slashdot thread where people could post ideas about the site. I remember when someone posted to an Apache thread that the Apache section needed more moderators. That would be a post that would be exemplary of the kind of stuff I see going under this thread.

Just a thought that might make for a better Slashdot.

Re: (1)

Manifest (50758) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575028)

Me too .. Just now also !Actuall the "by" "on" "#" are all missing !

Re: (2)

Trepidity (597) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575029)

Slashdot radio's been coming out weekly still. I forgot about it for a bit as well, but it's now in a separate section [slashdot.org] in the links to the left on the main page.

Some stuff (3)

Hobbex (41473) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575032)


Since this is the first Slashdot thread in a while, I'll take the chance to say some stuff about the system:

a) There ought be a page that showed users ranked by karma. Or put a users rank on his page. Or at least show the percentile. I realize that Karma is not a competition, but I can't help but be curious who really is the top etc (and yes I realize I'm not "in the running", I just said its not a competition). Still, if people started treating it like a competition meta-moderating would get them, so it couldn't really hurt.

b) I'm bothered by "off-topic" and "redundant" moderating deep down in the discussions. There is no harm in people straying from the topic when its not in the main thread.

c) I see the "don't get +1" option has disappeared from below this window. Have the rules for getting +1 changed, or has the option been taken out? Why? To what?

-
/. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.

Slashdot is really hosed: (3)

Mr. Piccolo (18045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575033)

1. My comment preferences "-1, nested, highest scored first" don't stick. But more important:

2. When I moderate, my total remains at 5! That means I could theoretically run through this entire thread, 5 at a time, and moderate everything either to +5 or -1.

This needs to be fixed IMMEDIATELY!

Class Action Lawsuit Names Slashdot.org (4)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575034)

AP - Today 4 lawyers working for the team that recently won a $1 billion dollar settlement from Toshiba for a twelve year old floppy drive firmware bug instigated a class action suit against slasdot.org for continually presenting web pages with false or erroneous information. Said one user 'like half the time I can't log in or the list of comments is incomplete or the cookies are wrong or who knows what". Also being asked to join the suit are operators of web sites that have experienced the debilitating effects of being slashdotted - that is having page requests increase six orders of magnitude after having an article referring to their site posted on slashdot.org.

Said one webmaster who asked to remain anonymous "being slashdotted is just another form of a distributed DoS attack. Somebody should report these guys to the FBI. They should know that memory leaks in Microsoft IIS and Win NT 4.0 will cause gross instabilities under these kinds of loads".

Damage amounts in the filing have not been set yet, but informally members of the litigation team say they expect damages in the 11 figure ballpark.

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Re:My Slashdot (2)

quonsar (61695) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575035)


Why not add a My Slashdot thing, where users can make their own mini-slashdot pages. They can post their own stories, and invite friends who then can post comments and stuff, just like the real slashdot, but personal. Could be like my.slashdot.org/username or something...

Heeeeell yeah, and free home pages with popup window ads (members.slashdot.org) oh and yeah, free web-based email accounts (mail.dotorgnow.org, oh and yeah, don't forget to preconfigure those webmail accounts for existing members.)oh and yeah, a ZDNN Slashbox, man, and oh yeah, TV listings! man, this site is a portal just waiting to happen!

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"Rex unto my cleeb, and thou shalt have everlasting blort." - Zorp 3:16

Public User Slashboxes (2)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575036)

I'd like it if people could optionally make their slashboxes publicly viewable.
Then they could be made available through a "Random users Slashbox" slashbox or by specifically entering their username.
I believe you'd stumble accross some interesting links that way, a sort of anarchic memepool (perhaps basing the chance of a users slashbox being chosen as the random one on their karma, to prevent slashbox spamming.)

Re:Preserve Preferences on Archived Stories? (1)

QuMa (19440) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575037)

I'm not sure about that one actually... You wouldn't have to make the pages dynamic, just make 2 versions when they're archived. One sorted on score, one just plain chronologicly. Ok, a few more M server space, but apart from that?

Re:Karma, moderation and meta-discussion (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575038)

b) I'm bothered by "off-topic" and "redundant" moderating deep down in the discussions. There is no harm in people straying from the topic when its not in the main thread.


Yeah, agreed, I usually leave them alone when meta-moderating. Because most often the articles in question are redundant or off-topic. So this is a suggestion to the moderators, be a litle more lenient of these deep down in the discussion.





c) I see the "don't get +1" option has disappeared from below this window. Have the rules for getting +1 changed, or has the option been taken out? Why? To what?

Yeah, this really should be back.

Moderating without posting (5)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575039)

Just throwing an idea to all (having done a bit of moderation): I often find that I don't have time or deep interest in the subject to make a post, however I do have a few minutes to read all comments and moderate those that I feel are worth it. Since points appear regularly, I figure I must be doing something good (maybe that's the meta-moderation, I don't know). What I'm thinking is that if I the meta-moderation indicates that the slashdot crowd thinks I'm a good moderator, could I still get points even if I don't post for a long time ?

I'm not trying to argue that I should keep on moderating, I'm wondering if you should need to keep on posting to get the privilege to boost up good comments (or sink 'First Post') ? The fact that I don't have time to post doesn't imply I don't have time to read.

For something like this to work, someone would have to have attracted attention on themselves in the first place (by having a good karma) and then have a good review by their peers (through the meta-moderation). Kind of having two karmas (one for posting and one for moderating) or a karma that could be influenced by the meta-moderation (now that would be great).

Anyways, just throwing a suggestion.

P.S. : Some wicked sense of paranoia, and the fact that I'm coming out as a moderator, told me I should make this anonymous... sorry.

Re:Reject List (2)

JPMH (100614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575040)

What would put a big pizza-eating grin on my face would be a page showing the stories you've rejected and the link/message associated with it.

This is just what I have been thinking. I'm sure everyone has had the experience of posting a story, getting it spiked, then seeing it appear 2 days later. There's so much good stuff that (maybe rightfully) doesn't make the main board, but is still very timely and informative. I'd love to see a list of what was coming in, perhaps broken into last 3 hours, 3-6 hours, 6-12 hours, etc.

Moderation would be a big bonus, so the posts could be ranked by quality in each time slot. Then also, if every story started off with an initial score -1 to +1, you could have anything that made it to +5 in the first six hours be automatically promoted onto the main board. Additional negative moderation tags like "Wrong" or "Old" would help keep the rubbish down.

Of course, you'd still have to filter out some posts -- eg pr0n site spam, or libel you could get sued for. But I think this kind of live semi-automated ticker of stories coming in would make for a very impressive rapid-response news intelligence system.

What happened to my karmic posting bonus? (1)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575041)

I recently passed the 25 Karma mark and gained the new privilege of an automatic +1 rating to the posts I made (my Karma's currently 31, I just checked it). I was very proud of that accomplishment...it meant that I had contributed enough worthwhile discussion to be considered a valued member of the community.

Now, however, it seems I'm not getting that bonus anymore, and the option to post without it is gone.

What gives?

Use the source (1)

JamesKPolk (13313) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575042)

The source code driving slashdot's available, use it on your homepage yourself.

I personally doubt andover could make it's money back (from added hardware, bandwidth, developer's time) on such a feature...

if (Not satisfied || want more) { (1)

LocalYokel (85558) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575053)

Reply to the thread I've just started.

Re:Preserve Preferences on Archived Stories? (1)

jwilloug (6402) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575054)

Can't. It'd be a massive amount of load on the servers

So why not sort the comments when the stories are archived? Personally, I'd rather have forcible sorting by score than forcible sorting by post order.

Re:Feature request (2)

leiz (35205) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575055)

I too have a slow connection, here's what I do to make it faster:

If you are trying to move a slashbox... say... up 5 times, instead of clicking it, waiting for it to load and clicking it 4 more times and waiting to load, click it once, and then hit "reload" on your browser 4 times, make sure there is a pause in between so that about 1k of the page loads up. And Tada, the slashbox magically moved up 5 spots :)


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There is no statute of limitation on stupidity.

New features? (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575056)

A feature I would love to see is a callback feature. Some times I click on the submit button, and nothing happens, and I reclick on it. Then it turns out I submitted the same comment twice. Would be nice to be able to callback one of the submittions

Re:Slashdot Feature Idea (1)

JPMH (100614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575057)

Also, lots of comments are labelled "informative" just because they have a URL to some useful reference.

A good link a succint, authoritative, on-topic, evidence-based reference can often be the most informative and useful post of all.

In fact I'd say any 'informative' post gains incredibility if it can link to some evidence to back it up.

The real distinction is with good analysis posts, which have the tag 'insightful'.

Re:Karma, moderation and meta-discussion (2)

coaxial (28297) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575058)

(netscape crashed and as a sideeffect submitted my comment while editting)

a) There ought be a page that showed users ranked by karma. Or put a users rank on his page. Or at least show the percentile. ... Still, if people started treating it like a competition meta-moderating would get them, so it couldn't really hurt.

No! I'm already too affected by karma, sometimes too willing to post stupid comments that I suspect the moderators will like it, or reluctant to be honest on some controversial subjects (like what I really felt about the killing of the two spammers) because it would harm my karma. A ranking would just make it worse.

Ranking would just aggravate the problem. There's already some poeple here that post WAY too much (i.e. signal11) Also this would simply encourage the disreputable game of "Beat the Moderators" Frankly, posting what you think is the "correct" thing to post is Wrong and serves no purpose. Those that do that contribute nothing, and simply demonstrate their spinelessness and tendencies for conformity.

Apropos karma, I believe that too many gets an automatic 2. It is hard to find those articles which are moderated up because they contain a gem, among those articles that start with a high score because the posters sometimes in the past have said something smart. Maybe the karma should be based on some kind of weighted average, rather than a straight sum. That would help the problems that most of the hyperactive posters have an automatic score bonus.

A better solution would be to have the posters have to opt-in to the +1 bonus rather than opt-out. Most of the +1 comments don't deserve the bonus, and it should only be used when the poster thinks that his comment should be moderated up.

b) I'm bothered by "off-topic" and "redundant" moderating deep down in the discussions. There is no harm in people straying from the topic when its not in the main thread.


Yeah, agreed, I usually leave them alone when meta-moderating. Because most often the articles in question are redundant or off-topic. So this is a suggestion to the moderators, be a litle more lenient of these deep down in the discussion.

ARGGH! I ALWAYS mark those as unfair. During the DragonBall processor article, someone went in and marked the entire thread about treating PalmPilots like the DragonBalls from "DragonBall Z" as off-topic. OH COME ON!!! Off topic should be for "FIRST POST" and "Every 5 minutes a child dies..." posts. Most of the other stuff makes sense if you actually read the thread.

"Redundant" is a worthless moderation catagory. Half the posts here are "redundant".

One more thing about the moderators. They've taken to moderating up posts that simply repeat whatever news article posted as "5 Informative". My God! The poster did nothing! Any moderator that actually read the article would realize this. Perhaps before you can moderate a discussion you should have to actually have to read the article in question. (a wrapper script with a cookie would do nicely)

Re:Preserve Preferences on Archived Stories? (1)

JPMH (100614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575059)

Can't. It'd be a massive amount of load on the servers - maybe someday, but not right now

Could it not be done client-side, in javascript ?

Also, soon you will be able to use XML and style sheets to help -- like Mozilla's demo of different presentations of the same Amazon-like page.

Re:Login Problems (1)

at0m (56249) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575060)

That works now, but mail password doesn't. Also, just noticed that when you reply to a comment it doesn't show the score (it says Score:) and no comment number. No big deal, of course, but something you should be aware of.

Re:Feature request (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575061)

This thing works on Lynx, LOL :-) You're right, it does. Incredible, considering the complexity of the main page and of the discussions, I am incredibly impressed by the end result. You can be sure that I'll remember this one.

Re:Possible feature - Thread Shuffling? (1)

augustz (18082) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575062)

Nice idea, and get's my vote... Also curious if hot-comments feed on themselves. Once you are listed you probably tend to stay listed...

fixed! (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575073)

Hmm, this seems fixed now. Thanks Rob!

My comments aren't starting at Score:2 anymore though, despite my karma still being high. Did Rob remove this feature or is it broken?

ongoing threads (2)

LocalYokel (85558) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575074)

OK, there are nonproductive threads that never go away like first post, KDE/GNOME, NT/Linux (I'd use GNU/Linux, but that would be confusing), bitchin' Beowulf clusters, etc.

I would especially like to make "bad-attitude" posting an option in addition to posting as an AC -- such comments would be free from moderation, and viewable at the 0 or -1 threshold without loss of karma. That may seem a bit strange, but just by lowering your threshold (mine is at -1), you're asking for it.

Long comments are overrated. Why do I never see Read the rest of this comment... [slashdot.org] at the bottom of a page? My "Long Comment Bonus" is big (10000), and my "Max Comment Size" (4096), shows a whole lotta text. Sure, there are times when they're appropriate, if there's information to be shared (though a link would be better, if not as impressive). Slashdot forums are for discussions, not treatises.

I want a "Maximum Threshold" to complement the "Minimum Threshold", and I would set my range from -1 to 3 -- the trolls and flames are frequently more interesting than the lengthy comments I spoke of. This would also be a help to moderators, whose range could be set from 0-1 in order to sort out the gems from the germs.

Re: yea (1)

Wah (30840) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575075)

i've even set my users page as home on a couple of systems (quick poll: how many computers do you have with /. as the start page? (4)). Then if you click on a story you have login again.

I e-mailed Rob about this a while back, maybe I should send it to pater@slashdot.org??

(and getting that (no +1 button) back would be nice)

The whole Karma bit... (2)

Millennium (2451) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575076)

Someone suggested making a page ranking users by Karma. I'm not so sure that's a good idea; it would turn Slashdot into a contest. Granted, it's a good contest, seeing as you can only win by being fair in moderation and thought-provoking in posts, but it still runs counter to the spirit of a news site.

Also, as for the +1 bonus thing. I think it's fine the way it is. I also think that once a person's Karma gets very high (if you get the +1 bonus at 25, then this should be at +50 or so) they should have the ability to burn a Karma point and get one additional +1 bonus for that post only. By default, this bonus isn't turned on, and the fact that you have to burn a Karma point to do it will discourage its abuse (not to mention that very few people have Karma high enough to do this). It allows for someone to post something they really think is important at a higher level, but now without paying for that extra point. It also is another reward for someone with a truly exceptional posting record.

Please Email Me Instead of Posting (4)

CowboyNeal (4) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575077)

First of all, thanks for all the bug reports. They've been a huge help.

But please, please email me rather than or addition to posting here. Then I can filter the reports to the correct places.

Thanks again.

New moderation categories... (1)

198348726583297634 (14535) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575078)

I've been mulling over some new moderation categories in my head for a while now... what do you all thing?

Too clever (for puns and such)

Stupid

URL

Complimentary

Well?

Re:Reject List..a proposal (3)

Money__ (87045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575079)

I've been giving this a lot of thought, and I'd like to take a moment to share them with you.

First of all, let me say thank you to all of the people that make Slashdot possible. Rob and the boys for having the vision, and everyone world wide for contributing to what is perhaps the most content rich and timely sources for info-tech around. Everyone's continued effort shows, and we all benefit from that effort.

Under the existing system, anyone can contribute. This a good thing, because it draws on the resources of hundreds of thousands of users world wide scouring news sources all over the globe in order to contribute to slashdot. This insures that even the most casual reader will have access to the latest information about the state of IT and it's impact on the world. Once a story of posted on the site, people from all different walks of life get a chance to analyze the story and give there interpretation of the consequences of this latest development.

The effect of this system is motivating more and more people to want to contribute. More and more people go out of there way to sift through countless technical articles to find the one that is impactful and interesting.

Once this one little nugget is submitted to slashot.org as a potential story, Rob and the boys have the (sometimes thankless) job of sifting through the sea of submissions to pick the few that will fit into the finite space available.

They have done a spectacular job so far and every day is proof-of-concept that this open source approach to news gathering is not only adequate, but extremely readable and informative. How ever there is a lot of effort that winds up on the 'cutting room floor'.

Couldn't some of that effort be shared? Couldn't some of that effort, diligent research done for a story submission, be readable by other people? The hi- tech field is very very diverse and will touch more and more industries every day. If an engineer in Zibobway runs across a little snippet that has an impact on my field of interest, I would love to read more about it.

So how do we solve the problem? Here is just one idea.

When a story is submited and rejected, It goes in one of 2 places either ..slashdot/stories/rejected/Slashstash directory on the system. the other go into ..slashdot/stories/rejected/.

This 'Siskel and Ebert' way of moderating is quick, effective, and works in realtime (using the existing story editors on slashdot) and requires no changes to the code. Once a story is placed in ../slashstash a Script and parse, time.date stamp it, and move it to the store on another domain. there the post will sit for 24 hours. After 24 hours, it would appear on the slashstash.org (pick your fav domain name here) site with a banner add. This would insure that the attractiveness of slashdot (it's timeliness) is not compromised. No more work on the back end. No more additions to the already successful /.

Is this plausable?

That is probably because... (1)

Sesse (5616) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575080)

...of some weird bug in the communication between the three Slashdot servers. Hard-type one of the IP addresses (and change slashdot.org to that IP address whenever you can), and things seem to work MUCH better.

Yes, I've filed a bug report. And yes, this seems to affect most of the problems described in the other comments :-)

/* Steinar */

"redundant yet on-topic" shouldn't hurt user score (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575081)

The redundant rating is really abuse. In most of the cases, redundant posts are honest mistake. case 1) Double post case 2) Same and important subject being echo by follow /.ers

I agree they poeple don't want to see them, but the -1 score shouldn't hurt the poster's karma. Rob, thank about it.

CY

Re:Some stuff (2)

Bradley (2330) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575082)

b) I'm bothered by "off-topic" and "redundant" moderating deep down in the discussions. There is no harm in people straying from the topic when its not in the main thread.

Yeah, me too. What annoys me more is that often the stuff marked redundant has a CID _before_ the other post, which is in the first level, with a score of generally +4 or +5. I tend to ignore posts marked redundant when doing meta-moderation, because of this.

From the posting page:

try to reply to other people comments instead of starting new threads

I really think that redundant shouldn't be an option for moderation. Unless you read every post in posted order (I tend to read in threaded mode), its impossible to work out who said what first, especially if the posts were made within a couple of minutes of each other. Also, saying the same thing twice can be useful, especially if both comments are buried at the bottom of a large thread.

Re:fixed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575083)

Oh, you're one of those karma point jockeys. Damn, you must be one sorry geek.

Re:Karma, moderation and meta-discussion (1)

Cid Highwind (9258) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575084)

>No! I'm already too affected by karma, sometimes
>too willing to post stupid comments that I
>suspect the moderators will like it, or
>reluctant to be honest on some controversial subjects

But that's precisely the reason for the "Post Anonymously" box. If you think that you'll get moderated into oblivion, post from cowardly anonymity.

On another topic, how much Karma do you need to start out posting at score=2?

Re:My Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575085)

Selfish. :P~

Dan Kaminsky Sux (0)

Jizmak (95124) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575100)

actually haizy posted that im just letting her borrow my slashdot account right quick

Re:Possible feature - Thread Shuffling? (1)

Surak (18578) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575101)

How about periodically shuffling blocks of threads with the same score, to even out the exposure?

Well, this wouldn't work if your sort is set to chronological order.


Also, typically only one or maybe two posts at the top level end up with scores of 4 or 5, so shuffling their order will have little impact.



Re:Some stuff (1)

Surak (18578) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575102)

Oh, and I think that I might be able to tell you off hand who some of the people are with the highest - often, somebody who is "known" within the community, e.g. ESR, Perens, maybe Havoc Pennington, somebody like that will post in response to an article about them or written by them to answer relating to the article. Because they are the topic, and they are "known", they almost always get straight up into the sky, because people like them.

Err...isn't "Karma" mostly the sum of moderation you've done to other users comments?

devel box? (1)

UM_Maverick (16890) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575103)

Since when has Rob pansied out and quit tinkering with code on the main server? That was half the fun of reading slashdot back in the day!

karma broken? (1)

cdlu (65838) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575104)

karma seems to be broken. i haev a karma--; and a karma++; today and neither had any effect on my karma (ie, it didn't go down with -- and it didn't come up with ++).

Re:My Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575105)

>Why not add a My Slashdot thing
>so if any of you readers think this is a cool idea, reply and say so


I think it's a damn stupid idea. This is not fucking Yahoo!. If that's the kind of service you want, go back to AOL. Idiot.

Re:Some stuff (1)

Imperator (17614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575107)

For most people, Karma is mostly the some of moderation done to your comments by moderators. If you moderate and get meta-moderated, your Karma may be slightly affected. If you meta-moderate, you may gain slightly in Karma (not sure if this is true anymore... at the start, I was getting a point a day, but now if there is a bonus I haven't noticed it).

Karma needs an overhaul (2)

Imperator (17614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575109)

The maximum point value of a post should be reduced to 4, or even 3.

More importantly, Karma shouldn't be a contest. Allowing extremely high Karma values encourages people to chase after them. A better system might be to set a maximum Karma of a few points higher than the threshold for the bonus point option. That way, even Signal 11 will only be able to make a few first posts before he loses his bonus point. The bonus point threshold can then be scaled such n% of the users have it.

Re:Help for the Slash Engine (1)

MrPlab (79403) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575110)

Thanks Matt, however I'm already subscribed and enjoying the bountiful help from all sorts of people on the mailing list.

Thanks anyway :)
Matthew
_____________________________________

Re:quote the parent message in "Reply to" (1)

Mr Z (6791) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575113)

When a user hits "Reply To" please quote the parent message back to the user for referance.

Actually, it already does that when I hit reply (except that the parent message is quoted above rather than below. Minor detail -- either way works.) How is yours configured?

As long as we're talking about the Reply page, is there any way we can get wider text boxes? I hate typing in these little tiny portals on the screen. Maybe make it configurable on the user page, so that the crowd using 1600x1200 with a flyspec-3 font can coexist with the crowd using 640x480 and a courier-24 font?

Also, could you escape out & symbols, replacing them with & when constructing the default text in the comment box for "Preview Mode"? That'll make all of the &symb; style symbols work properly when clicking Preview. (Right now, I kluge around it by hitting Back after a Preview so I don't have to hunt for all the &symb; symbols embedded in my comment.)

--Joe
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Reply to bug? (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575119)

When I hit "reply to this", in the space where it's supposed to show the comment I'm replying to, it just shows:

(Score:)
by on (#)
(User Info)

It seems all the database fields are left blank, with just the formatting text coming through. This happens on every comment I've tried to reply to so far...

click on story from users.pl (2)

jesser (77961) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575120)

I have "light" mode on.

If I click on a story from users.pl (one that i commented on), it forgets it is supposed to display the story in light mode, but if I click on a comment I made on a story, it looks fine.

Perhaps this is because the link from the user page is of the form
http://www.slashdot.org/articles/99/10/29/131325 9.shtml whereas the link from the main page is of the form http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/10/30/174323 2&mode=thread .

Re: same over here. (1)

weaselp (32626) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575121)

I experienced the same stuff. (also the one with the replying-to block lacking the text)

I assume you already filed the bug report?
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Aha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575122)

So th %)" sssssssss exblahins IT

Read the rest of this comment .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575124)

Ooops, looks like the maximum comment lenght got set to 0

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575126)

it looks like the default threshold is now 0. Can't see any comments without clicking on the link that says "Read the rest of this comment..."

Possible feature - Thread Shuffling? (5)

Wooly-Mammoth (105587) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575127)

On every story, I've noticed the first post accumulates a lot of attention, getting the most replies, etc. This is somewhat unfair, because a lot of times it's a fairly uninteresting post or a simple question, but it pulls in all the hits. By first post, I don't mean first chronologically - I have my sort set by highest scores, but even in that case, if there are 5 posts with score 2, the first one has a sort of gravitational effect.

How about periodically shuffling blocks of threads with the same score, to even out the exposure? I don't think it matters if a later thread is placed above an earlier one - I've rarely seen any context flowing chronologically across threads.

w/m

Spooky. (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575130)

Halloween night... Rob updates slashdot. Scary. I can hear the screams now... "I liked it better the oooooold way, Nooooooooo!"

Okay, bad joke... but more seriously - when are you going to try something new with the moderation system? Over a year ago when the system was first started, you said you'd try something new. Ummmm... soooo, when will we see something new?

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Feature request (3)

FroBugg (24957) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575131)

While we've got a /. story here, I'd like to put in a request for a feature.

Whenever I adjust my slashboxes, its a serious pain to get them set where I like it, moving each one in single increments and having to reload the front page each time on a slow connection.

Could we possibly have an easier way of doing this? Maybe a series of dropdown menus on our preferences page.

Anybody else like this idea?

Bugs? what bugs? and a suggestion. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575132)

Other than every post just shows up as blank with the "Read the rest of this comment" HREF.

Oops.

Incidentally, a request for a feature. If a post below my threshold has replies above my threshold and I've viewing in threaded mode, show the original post anyway, otherwise all the replies get "orphaned" and I see all these "Re:" posts commenting on things I never read in the first place, which is kinda confusing.

Comments (1)

thopkins (70408) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575133)

Hey well I can log in ok and all but comments are displayed Threaded even though I have it set to Nested, don't know why. Post Anonymously is a good feature for ACs who want custom stuff. Keep up the good work guys!

"Suppressed at Poster's Request" (2)

Mr Z (6791) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575134)

For the people who accidentally click [Submit] twice and so on, could we have a "Suppress Post" button that users could use on their own posts? It'd put move the post to a score of -1 (or maybe even -2) immediately and would allow people a chance to clean up embarassing mistakes without completely sweeping them under the rug.

To prevent abuse, you might want to tie a -1 karma to the feature. Otherwise people might just stop using [Preview] altogether, or might start posting "guerrilla posts" -- posting something inflammatory, and then suppressing it before the moderators hit them. The -1 karma is much smaller than the 2 or 3 "Redundant" moderations, but is a large enough disincentive to prevent abuse, I think.

At any rate, it'll provide a way for posters to clean up after themselves.

Thoughts?

--Joe
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Re:quote the parent message in "Reply to" (1)

NickHolland (91075) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575135)

When I hit "Reply to This", I see your message above this message I'm typing. Not sure what settings cause that but I can (and did!) scroll back up and re-read your message while I respond to it.

If you ment to quote back the origional message *IN* the reply, I *strongly* (but hopefully, nicely 8) disagree. I don't enjoy reading the same message time and time again. I really don't enjoy reading MY message (and all its typos) time and time again!

I've also found that many people who have the option of quoting back the entire message often start to just insert one or two word replies mid-paragraph -- replies, which when actually found, are rarely worth the effort. It increases the amount of data without increasing the amount of meaning. And, it encourages people to write poorly (or encourages poor writers to write, not sure which)

Nick.

Re:New moderation categories... (1)

loki7 (11496) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575136)

What do these cover that the existing categories don't already? I'm not criticizing you -- I think that we probably do need more categories, but I don't really understand what these new categories would be used for.

Too clever same as humorous?
Stupid same as off topic or flamebait?
URL informative.
Complimentary I don't know what you mean by this one at all.

/peter

Re:Redundant moderation option (2)

loki7 (11496) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575137)

I really think that redundant shouldn't be an option for moderation.

The only times I've moderated a comment as redundant is when there were two identical or near identical comments from the same person. This is usually a mistake on the poster's part. I think that 'Redundant' should be replaced with 'Duplicate'. Moderating a comment as Duplicate would lower the comment's score, but not affect the user's Karma. This would allow moderators to clean up the duplicates without punishing the author.

/peter

Re:devel box? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575138)

"Andover made me do it."

Re:Login Problems (1)

copito (1846) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575140)

This seems to have been fixed, at least for me.
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How about defaulting to nested sort by score (1)

copito (1846) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575142)

Since it's a static page you could pregenerate it. Flat makes understanding threads difficult.
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Re:Login Problems (1)

jeremie0 (6414) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575144)

I notice that if i login to http://www.slashdot.org, i dont have my cookies. However, http://slashdot.org works fine. This is in all the various machines I use.

Re:Some stuff (1)

mochaone (59034) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575145)

Bravo !! Excellent points! I once had a #2 post moderated as redundant. It didn't garner any extra points so it stuck at the bottom of the pile of comments if they were retrieved sorted by highest score. I have a problem with anything being marked as redundant. Aren't these forums we're participating in? If someone wants to voice his opinion, let him! Who cares if it sounds like someone else's comment.

My Slashdot (3)

MrP- (45616) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575153)

I've asked this before but never in a thread because there was no thread for Slashdot, since this is a Slashdot thread ..

Why not add a My Slashdot thing, where users can make their own mini-slashdot pages. They can post their own stories, and invite friends who then can post comments and stuff, just like the real slashdot, but personal. Could be like my.slashdot.org/username or something... I think that would be real nice (since none of the stories I post get posted, I want my own section) so if any of you readers think this is a cool idea, reply and say so, because I doubt rob would even look at this unless it gets some responces (I was gonna say moderate me up but that sounds selfish)

That is all.

#----------------------------
$mrp=~s/mrp/elite god/g;

quote the parent message in "Reply to" (3)

Money__ (87045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575154)

When a user hits "Reply To" please quote the parent message back to the user for referance. For example, Sometimes, while reponding to someone post, I'll want to quote them, but I sometimes forget there exact wording, so I paraphrase. This leads to an in acurate flow of information.

Also, sometimes I'll have 3 or 4 "reply to" windows open, along with the suporting documents. Replying is sometimes a non-linear process, and having the parent message quoted below the COMMENT and IMPOTANT STUFF would be very helpfull.

BTW. . Rob is a taco :)

Rob's house (0)

Anonymous Bastard (22653) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575155)

I just happen to be around Holland, MI this weekend and I plan on pelting Rob's house with a few dozen cartons of eggs. Anyone care to join me? Rob, would you like toilet paper too?

Wahoo!

Some suggestions (1)

gargle (97883) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575156)

1. For meta moderation, posts for which there's a lot of contention over the moderation score (i.e. posts which are moderated both up and down) should be the target of meta moderation, since this indicates disgreement over the moderation.

2. For anonymous coward posting, do not default to 'HTML Formatted'. First time posters to /. don't understand the effect of this, so we sometimes see AC text without any paragraphing (since explicit paragraph and line break tags are needed in html mode)



Re: (1)

cdlu (65838) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575157)

I'm always asked to log in again when i view articles from userinfo pages or from archives.

other people get this too?

Reject List (5)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575158)

What would put a big pizza-eating grin on my face would be a page showing the stories you've rejected and the link/message associated with it.

That way if the moderators think, 'Bah, who wants to read about Stan Lee's prostate - reject' it'll show up on that page ready for all Stan Lee/prostate fans.

With all the rejections I'm sure someone could run their own slashdot.reject.org site and still make it worthwhile reading.

Punnage? (1)

Q*bert (2134) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575159)

Send your bug reports to pater@slashdot.org.

Is this the guy you confess to?

/usr/bin/perl -w

&my_confess "I found a /. bug, damn it! $!";

sub my_confess
{
system ("echo \'@_\' | /bin/mail -s pater@slashdot.org") or print "Couldn't mail pater: $!";
}


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Cold pints: $2 #Product

i can't see any comments (1)

stewart.hector (87816) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575160)

on any news topics.. apart from read this comment...

3 errors (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575161)

When I click on a story I get 3 errors:

1. displays very few comments (2 out of 23 in this case)

2. all comments say "Read the rest of this comment"

3. nested even though set to threaded

I have a screenshot at ftp://128.253.254.56/slash.jpg [128.253.254.56]

still hosed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575162)

big-time

Re:3 errors (1)

Money__ (87045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575172)

I have the same thing as shown in your screen shot. Now, I can't log back in either. All I did was change my threshhold to "0". Hmmmm Slashdot is haunted?!?!

Re:Possible feature - Thread Shuffling? (4)

Uruk (4907) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575173)

I've noticed this too - similarly, when moderators come in, a lot of the time the posts that are good tend to go very, very high, and some posts that are OK but maybe not 5 material stay stuck at 1 or 2 because they're somewhat buried. It's not the moderators fault, just that whatever pops up first is what gets the most attention. Some moderators do look at things from the bottom up though so they can get a chance to see some things that maybe haven't gotten a fair shake, or a look at all.

The problem is compounded when you have an article that gets 500 replies because I don't think slashdot automagically inserts more moderation points into the pool on days where the comments are bit more nuts than other days.

Whenever I think about "Wow, wouldn't that be cool" on slashdot, I find that in 5 minutes you can come up with a list of 40 things that would be really cool. And if everybody did this, then Rob's todo list in plain text would be bigger than the whole slashdot database. :)

So sometimes I think there's a dilemma - suggesting features is a slippery slope, but at the same time, other features would be neat too. Whatever the case, Rob has already done a pretty fucking amazing job on slashdot, and either way I'm going to be happy.

Re:Feature request (1)

cdlu (65838) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575174)

use lynx :) it all looks nice and pretty this way, the page downloads in a flash, and everything works more or less perfectly from lynx, and at least then where a slashbox is is totally irrelevant...its under the articles :)

Logging in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1575175)

I'm having trouble logging in. Usually I do it via cookie, but today /. isn't seeing my cookies. Some of the /. screens show me as logged in, but others don't. When I go to the login screen, it tells me my password is invalid. Then going to my user page, it shows it, allows me to update it, and the bookmark link has the same password that failed... I'm confused.

Re:Spooky. (0)

Pascal Q. Porcupine (4467) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575176)

Heh, and I just got logged out randomly. But like, I coulda sworn that Halloween was October 31... why the hell is everyone celebrating it on the 30th this year? Back when I was a kid, the fact it was a school night didn't matter... *grumble*
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.

Slashdot Feature Idea (1)

Ted V (67691) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575177)

It seems like every week or so some article comes out which bashs some point about Open Source/Free Software/Linux/etc. Inevitably a bunch of people flame the article, and then a few people post intelligent comments saying, "We should really do something to fix this problem." Wouldn't it be better to have a special label for posts like this? Not "insightful", but "inspirational" or "pro-active" or something. I'd much rather we as a community actually fixed these problems rather than just state that they need fixing.

Also, lots of comments are labelled "informative" just because they have a URL to some useful reference. Could we have a separate name for these posts, different from posts that actually contain information?

Just my two cents...

-Ted

Preserve Preferences on Archived Stories? (4)

Kozz (7764) | more than 14 years ago | (#1575178)

Perhaps this defeats the purpose of "archiving" the stories when they get old, but. . .

When I want to search Slashdot for a given topic, the search results are often of stories that have been archived. The problem is that when I want to read the worthwhile comments on a particular story, its very difficult because the archived page shows ALL comments, not just the ones above my threshhold. Hell, I even have to wade through the -1 postings of "first post!" and crap like that... Would there be any way to make the moderated-up comments displayed at the top?

You could sort the threads by score, highest to lowest, top to bottom. Is this too difficult to do without increasing server load / database size? Any thoughts on this?



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