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MS Promotion Site Flagged By MS Anti-Phishing

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the too-good-to-be-true dept.

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Stony Stevenson writes "Microsoft has launched a marketing campaign that lets any student at an Australian university buy the Ultimate edition of Office 2007, usual price $1,150, for only $75 — a discount of about 93%. But when students go to the promotion site, Microsoft Live OneCare pops up a warning that the site may be a phishing scam. The warning reads: 'Phishing filter has determined this might be a phishing website. We recommend that you do not give any of your information to such websites. Phishing websites impersonate trustworthy websites for the purpose of obtaining your personal or financial information.'"

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Ha Ha Ha Ha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256650)

Ubuntu.

Microsoft has finally done it! (5, Funny)

Samalie (1016193) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256660)

Its about time....Microsoft has finally recognized itself as evil. Hell has officially frozen over :)

Re:Microsoft has finally done it! (5, Funny)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256706)

Yes but I don't see Steve Ballmer sprouting wings and gaining lift.

Ergo, the swine are not flying yet.

Probably a way to reduce "losses" (4, Funny)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257014)

It's probably just a way to reduces losses which Microsoft might incur as a result of this huge discount.

losses... lol

Re:Microsoft has finally done it! (5, Funny)

memojuez (910304) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257530)

That seems to go hand in hand with my antivirus program deleting the IE7 installer from my computer because it deemed it a "Generic Trojan"

Re:Microsoft has finally done it! (5, Funny)

antirelic (1030688) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257570)

Well... this is actual proof that the Anti-Phishing shit actually works...

Oh no! (4, Funny)

AlphaLop (930759) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256664)

A Microsoft product that does not work right? The Shock of it... I better unload all my Microsoft stock before the other investors get wind of this! ;)

Re:Oh no! (1)

ack154 (591432) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256974)

Who said it wasn't working right? I wouldn't want to give my info to "such websites" either!

Oh the irony.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256668)

Oh wait forget it...

It Works! (5, Funny)

7bit (1031746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256670)

Wow! Live OneCare actually does work!

On a related topic.. (5, Funny)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256678)

If any Australian students would like to make a cool 100% profit, please let me know. :)

Re:On a related topic.. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256842)

Microsoft has been informed of you evil intensions...

Re:On a related topic.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257432)

And a high profile hitman is currently waiting at your doorstep, slapping at a chair leg in one hand.

Re:On a related topic.. (5, Funny)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257080)

Yeah, if you can deal with Clippy saying "G'day mate, how 'bout some letter-writing?"

Re:On a related topic.. (5, Funny)

DeathElk (883654) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257902)

Nah, take it from an Australian - that should be "Wanna write a f@#kn' letter? Well? Do ya c*nt??"

Re:On a related topic.. (1)

nilbog (732352) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257108)

Unfortunately the EULA that you never actually agree to until you install the software but is still enforceable because MS said so prevents students from reselling their discounted copies of Windows.

Re:On a related topic.. (2, Informative)

moronoxyd (1000371) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257276)

Well, that may be true for the US and Australia, but customer rights are (for the most part) no empty shells in Germany and the E.U., so that doesn't hold true over here.

We can also legally buy OEM versions without hardware, so if you are in need of some MS OS and want to spent as little as possible while staying legal...

Re:On a related topic.. (1)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257318)

And when has anyone actually followed the agreements they "agree" to on the EULA?

Re:On a related topic.. (2, Insightful)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257542)

I use a tool to remove the EULA from the installation process, so I never agree to anything. Or maybe I don't, how would Microsoft know?

Re:On a related topic.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257866)

That doesn't work. If you don't accept the license, you have no right to use the software.

Re:On a related topic.. (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257654)

Unfortunately the EULA that you never actually agree to until you install the software but is still enforceable because MS said so prevents students from reselling their discounted copies of Windows.

Somebody I work with started a course to do something like an MBA. He dropped out after the first week and got most of his fee refunded. He kept the copy of MS Office he bought as a student.

New Marketing Campaign (5, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256680)

It's just part of an overall "bad boy" campaign that MS is using to try to seem cool.

Go ahead and buy from us. IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS.

Too Funny (2)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256682)

This one gave me a belly ache from laughing. Imagine that MS would anti-phish itself. Gee, I wonder where the disconnect happen between product development and marketing. HAHA

No surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256684)

I've found that at most large companies, the right hand doesn't even know there is a left hand, much less know what it's doing.

Re:No surprise (5, Funny)

CommunistHamster (949406) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256786)

I have a large company, and it knows exactly what my right hand is doing...

Re:No surprise (2, Funny)

JimDaGeek (983925) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257102)

Dang, am I the only one to laugh at this? I just shot some beer out my nose.

You, sir, owe me one beer!

Does it .... (1, Funny)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256688)

Does it come with an Australian to English converter for us in the states?

My Australian is rusty.

Re:Does it .... (5, Funny)

celardore (844933) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256794)

My Australian is rusty.

Give him a good going over with some wire wool and light oil, that should fix him right up!

Re:Does it .... (1)

didde (685567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256840)


Thank you very much for making me laugh. Your post is funny. Period.

Re:Does it .... (1)

moatra (1019690) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256816)

Grrr.... I keep wanting to reply to your comment, but slashdot keeps telling me I'm logged out!

Re:Does it .... (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256900)

Last time I checked, they didn't speak English in the US.
 
  Aint is not a word.

Re:Does it .... (1)

shudde (915065) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257006)

Actually it does have an Australian to English converter. I'm not too sure what good that would do a Yank though.

Re:Does it .... (5, Funny)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257096)

Actually it does have an Australian to English converter. I'm not too sure what good that would do a Yank though.

I think it must be broken. I keep putting in Fosters but I don't get back beer.

And in the English to Australian converter, I keep putting in coffee but I still don't get back beer.

Re:Does it .... (4, Informative)

shudde (915065) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257170)

I think it must be broken. I keep putting in Fosters but I don't get back beer.

There's a simple answer, Fosters isn't beer. We just export that swill, no one here actually drinks it.

Re:Does it .... (5, Informative)

snicho99 (984884) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257710)

Amen brother.

No one out there really seems to get it. Fosters - goes in the same category with Rolf Harris, Steve Irwin (god bless him) and Crocodile Dundee:

Shit we foist on other people.

Re:Does it .... (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257812)

No you don't. Foster's isn't even brewed in Australia! I found that out when, while in a Canadian bar, I saw Fosters listed as a domestic beer. Long story short, Fosters is actually brewed in Canada.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256702)

Too bad Live's philter isn't self-detecting.

tough problem (3, Interesting)

iammaxus (683241) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256704)

That's a tough problem because the easy way to solve it is to add a whitelist to the phishing filter, but that is just asking for security problems (think malware hijacking the whitelist). I guess they will actually just have to make the filter work...

What's the problem (0, Flamebait)

Zygamorph (917923) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256714)

As far as I can see OneCare is correct. The site in question is gathering personal information for neferious reasons, unless of course you think installing MS products is a Good Thing TM

IE7 declares... (-1, Troll)

MorderVonAllem (931645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256720)

...firefox site a 'phishing' site so ie7 can not be trusted in that regard anyway

Re:IE7 declares... (4, Informative)

SEMW (967629) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256746)

No it doesn't; I've just tried it.

Re:IE7 declares... (0, Troll)

MorderVonAllem (931645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256880)

sure did when i first installed vista and went to get firefox. i've since disabled it. (although it could have just been warning me about phishing scams. it was about a month ago)

What kind of paperwork is needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256744)

...for my company to be recognized as a "university", its employees as "students", and their job as "homework"? Seriously.

Re:What kind of paperwork is needed (2, Informative)

SEMW (967629) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257294)

Quote>What kind of paperwork is needed for my company to be recognized as a "university" It would need to be accredited [wikipedia.org] .

Yes, it is (3, Funny)

C4st13v4n14 (1001121) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256752)

75$AU? Microsoft? Sounds like it really is a phising scam, or it's at least phishy!

Apple says it best (5, Funny)

mad_psych0 (991712) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256760)

"You are attempting to save money! Would you like to allow or deny?"

Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256768)

Those $75 dollar deals are great!

It turns out to be part of a bigger MS mistake. Turns out they sent out way too many copies of office 2007 to Nigeria that should have been sent to Nashville. All those very expensive licenses would have gone to waste in Nigeria where nobody can offord office 2007 let alone all that memory cost. So the $75 dollars is the price needed to get these office licenses past customs.

Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut (4, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256858)

Let's think about the wonderful "free marketplace" and those supposedly immutable laws of supply and demand.

Is there an abundance of Office 2007 licenses in Australia that is causing this price drop or is demand so low that Microsoft has to practically give its products away there to move them off the shelves?

If this isn't clear evidence that companies like Microsoft are no more interested in anything like a "free market" than your average Republican congressman, I don't know what is. The only thing that's free is these corporations' desire and ability to fuck us over.

We are being played, friends.

Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut (2, Informative)

mschuyler (197441) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256958)

> We're being played

Microsoft has ALWAYS had student/academic and non-profit deals out there. Look in any University bookstore at very good prices. You don't even have to do that with a student ID card. You can just declare you're a student and buy it online. This is a particularly good deal, but the fact is, I've never paid over $60.00 for a full office suite ever, because Microsoft sells to schools and libraries at a heavy discount.

Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257050)

Last semester, I could have bought Windows XP through my college for $10. Now the list Vista.

I wish I'd had the money to stock up on XP licenses before Vista rolled out.

Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut (-1, Troll)

overbaud (964858) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257022)

"Is there an abundance of Office 2007 licenses in Australia that is causing this price drop or is demand so low that Microsoft has to practically give its products away there to move them off the shelves?"
Ummm... Linux is free and still most people do not install it.

Oh and they don't 'fuck' you over, you choose to be fucked over, your not forced to buy or use their products. Maybe your being played, and based on the intelligence factor of your post I can see why. Do you just bag MS to impress girls? I expect they play you as well. Ahhh... critisism... fun for the whole family.

Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut (0, Troll)

JimDaGeek (983925) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257232)

I would like to know what Microsoft shill has modded you as "Flamebait". Seriously. I guess Microsoft pays some of their employees to go through the top technical sites to try to "evangelize" or something. What a shame.

Semper Fi brother.

Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut (1)

BlackEmperor (213615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257392)

Call me stupid but I really don't get it. MS has always given generous discounts to students AND developers. MSDN subscriptions are an amazing boon to any small and startup company.

So why are we being fucked over? Surely corporates (who are effectively subsidising these discounts) are the ones being fucked over?

Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257484)

It's a drug-dealer-style "the first hit is free."

And it's not anything new. My undergrad institution when I entered (and only for a couple weeks after I entered) had a deal with MS where students could get many MS products, including Office 2002 Pro, VS .Net (2002 at the time), Windows XP, Frontpage, and others for *free*. They still have something similar, but more restrictive, in the form of the MSDNAA (Academic Alliance) where you can get some of their stuff for free. The selection doesn't include Office and it's restricted to CS-related departments, unlike the previous deal. Just recently I've installed VS 2005, Windows XP (I may have needed another license for a virtual machine), and Windows Server 2003 (also into a VM) from MSDNAA.

Even if you're not eligible for this because you're not at a participating university or in the wrong department, as others have said, there are heavy discounts available.

Overheard at Microsoft HQ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256780)

Oh, SNAP!

OMG!!! (3, Funny)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256800)

Im using IE7 and wow! It is teh smartest!!

Is this [gameandfishmag.com] a fishing site??? Cause IE knows and I knows!! Thats awesome!

Wonder if you can find what lures work with what on IE7?

Re:OMG!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257828)

Gerald Holmes, is that you?

And if MS white flagged all their advocates (2, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256874)

Slashdot would implode with rage

Re:And if MS white flagged all their advocates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257126)

rage is exothermic; we would EXplode...

Bill Gates Cyborg Icon (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18256908)

Slightly off topic, but can we motion to come up with a new 'M$' logo?

1. The guy is barely involved within the company anymore.
2. Bill Gates has started a profoundly large charity foundation
3. Someone could make some downright hilarious steve ballmer cyborg icons with minimal effort.

Am I the only one feeling this?

Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon (1)

realcoolguy425 (587426) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256986)

All you really need is a chair being gripped by a hand. Problem Solved.

Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon (1, Insightful)

JimDaGeek (983925) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257334)

2. Bill Gates has started a profoundly large charity foundation
So what. Give me 20, 30, 40, 50 billion and see if I don't throw around a few billion! Seriously. Give me a call when Billy G. gives away all his money and takes up a hard-working middle-class type job. It won't happen.

Please note that I am not expecting very rich people to give all their money away. However, I am just not impressed by someone with 50 billion giving away 25 billion. You are still left with more freaking money than some smaller countries and more money than most could imagine or more money than you could spend in a life time.

Why in the world would anyone be impressed by a person who only gives out of their extreme abundance? For example, I have 100,000 barrels of soup. I go to my local soup kitchen, for the homeless, and give them 1,000 barrels of soup. I make the news as a great "philanthropist". However, Betty, who has spent 25 hours a week for the last 10 years working at the soup kitchen, is never mentioned. Why?

Please spare me the "rich person gave X amount" and that make them a good person. They only gave out of their abundance. Nothing more, nothing less.

Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257568)

frankly speaking, it's just another way to get around the IRS

Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon (4, Insightful)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257624)

They only gave out of their abundance. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not true. It doesn't matter that he had an abundance, rather that he felt compelled to use it for the benefit of others. He may have benefitted the reputation of himself, or his company, but the gains for himself were not nearly as much as the gains of the recipients. It was inequitable, therefore it was charitable. There are plenty of rich people who sit on their money instead of putting it to good use.

All your shit talking does is discourage others from following his lead, because they're just going to say "Hey, I'm just going to get flack for it anyway -- fsck 'em."

Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon (4, Insightful)

Jarden (589403) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257632)

Yawn. I'm tired of this incessant need to bag Bill Gates no matter what he does. And your argument doesn't stand up at all.

The fact is he's given more money to philanthropic endeavours than any other person. Ever. So get off your fucking high horse.

I saw this guy the other day give $20 to a homeless person. I went over to him and said "Hey you fuck, you earn over $50k a year and I just saw you give ONLY $20 to that hungry guy? You tight asshole!". Then I punched him in the face and took his wallet. Because we need less assholes like that.

Going by your stats Bill Gates has given to charity around 50% of the money he's EARNED. What proportion of the money YOU have EARNED have you given to charity?

Apparently you have some preconceived notion of how much money rich people should be left with after donating for their donation to "mean" something. Perhaps you should publish a "JimDaGeek guide to philanthropy" so the world's rich can learn from you.

Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257398)

They tried. Unfortunately, the Borg Ray Ozzie was indistinguishable from the original.

Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon (2, Funny)

spells (203251) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257766)

Bill - why are you reading slashdot on a Tuesday night - I thought it was bridge night with Buffett.

Because, you know (4, Insightful)

dctoastman (995251) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256964)

It's not like anyone would report the site as a phishing scam for cheap laughs.

Re:Because, you know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257090)

Are you saying they did it for the lulz?

Am I the only one not outraged by their "contest"? (2, Interesting)

joe_cot (1011355) | more than 7 years ago | (#18256990)

Bribing Pro Bloggers with laptops? [slashdot.org] Bad. Very bad.
Bribing amateur bloggers with scooters/laptops/mp3 players? [itsnotcheating.com.au] No problem
From the website:

Enter the Golden Blog Awards to win great prizes
All you have to do is mention the word 'office' and the link 'www.itsnotcheating.com.au' in your blog. Winner is judged on creativity of the story.
The blog or video with highest number of supporting comments will have the chance to win this fab music pack.


I don't think that needs comment.

(PS: The original text cited is in all caps, which set off Slashdot's "Lameness filter". Define irony)

Re:Am I the only one not outraged by their "contes (1)

whitehatlurker (867714) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257580)

I think I could get creative, but I'm not sure that the result would be work place safe.

It is an interesting quote and goes along nicely with the payola scam posted on the front page.

Ultimate? (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257000)

I have to ask, what's so good about an office produce that makes it worth more than a grand... and what's special about "Ultimate"?

For all the MS Office products I've used, generally there's been a Standard (Word/Excel/Powerpoint/Outlook) and Pro (Add Access and I believe frontpage). So what does "ultimate" bring to the table? What does it offer that would make it worth the non-discounted price?

It really seems that MS has jumped on the tiered-product bandwagon (standard, pro, ultimate, superdooperfantabulous, etc) and I really have to wonder what the market is for these products. How many actually buy the product at the standard pricing anyhow?

Re:Ultimate? (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257202)

I have to ask, what's so good about an office produce that makes it worth more than a grand

....
Office for Apple Mac? umm

We use a lot of fruits for snacks at lunch time but I'm pretty sure it doesn't comes to over a grand.

Re:Ultimate? (4, Informative)

SEMW (967629) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257218)

For all the MS Office products I've used, generally there's been a Standard (Word/Excel/Powerpoint/Outlook) and Pro (Add Access and I believe frontpage). So what does "ultimate" bring to the table?
Pro has Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Access, and Publisher; Ultimate adds OneNote, Groove, and InfoPath. What are Groove and Infopath, you ask? Your guess is as good as mine, because I have no ****ing idea whatsoever. Microsoft claim Groove is a "peer-to-peer collaboration solution", which has left me only slight more enlightened than before. Onenote's supposed to be pretty good, though.

I have to ask, what's so good about an office produce that makes it worth more than a grand
Ultimate is $590 in US dollars [amazon.com] , the article was in Australian dollars.

Re:Ultimate? (1)

naspime (146800) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257630)

That still makes Office Ultimate about $890 U.S [google.com] . I understand that software costs more overseas (taxes, etc)...but a $300 markup...? Wow...Australians are getting screwed.

Re:Ultimate? (1)

kocsonya (141716) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257746)

> Ultimate is $590 in US dollars, the article was in Australian dollars.

Considering that 1 AUD is about 0.78 USD, the US $590 should be AU $756 and not 1,150... Interesting.

Re:Ultimate? (1)

BlackEmperor (213615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257428)

It's worth a grand cause :

1) it's the edition that corporates will buy and accordingly it's waaaay overpriced. browse joel on software for a good article on this sort of pricing.
2) office has a lot of lock-in, especially in the corporate environment. .doc extension is worth billions of dollars.

Re:Ultimate? (1)

SEMW (967629) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257838)

It's worth a grand cause :
1) it's the edition that corporates will buy and accordingly it's waaaay overpriced. browse joel on software for a good article on this sort of pricing.
  • It's worth $590 in US (as opposed to Australian) dollars [amazon.com] .
  • It's not the edition corporations will buy. Enterprises with volume license agreements will buy the volume-licenses Enterprise edition. Small businesses will buy the Small business edition. Or possibly the Professional edition. Or Professional Plus edition. Anyway, the one edition corporations will not buy to roll out en mass is the all singing all dancing "We've got everything!" edition.

2) office has a lot of lock-in, especially in the corporate environment. .doc extension is worth billions of dollars.
  • Office 2007 doesn't even USE .doc; it uses Open Office XML [wikipedia.org] . If you don't like that, I think there's an addon that lets it save in ODF. Legacy .docs can be converted to OOXML (tool provided by MS) or ODF (tool not provided by MS); and OpenOffice reads and writes to .doc perfectly fine.

Re:Ultimate? (1)

Afecks (899057) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257648)

I have to ask, what's so good about an office produce that makes it worth more than a grand... and what's special about "Ultimate"?

It has fewer menus grayed out.

No but seriously, the Ultimate versions of Windows share a common theme, which is merging business features together with home features. It's really a waste of money for most people that just want to write an essay or edit spreadsheets. It's all just a big grab for more money and it seems to be working very well.

licensing (3, Interesting)

vimh42 (981236) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257002)

According to TFA, the deal is for students of AU universities with volume licences. In the education volume liscences I have seen, the liscence extends to the students. Which means the school just burns the student a copy. For nothing (or for a materials fee). The school already paid for the student to have it. Why would the student fork out additional money to MS?

Re:licensing (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257310)

I know that at least for my school, the MSDNAA licencing covers everything EXCEPT Office. Probably because they know students actually need that one, and will fork over the money for it.

Re:licensing (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257578)

The volume license agreement that is covered infact does not allow for home use by students, it's simply a way for the University to save money by not paying for each and every student's home use rights (like they do for staff in this case) and still provide an option for the Office package.
this poster works for one of the universities offering the software as an SOE developer so I have to know the licensing arrangements!

half way there (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257010)

Now all we need is for Norton AntiVirus to detect itself as a virus and everything will be all set.

A Better Question ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257040)

A better question would be: why isn't this deal available to students in the United States, or any country besides Australia, for that matter? There are students here in the US that can't afford basic software (even if the US is more prosperous than other countries), so why focus solely on Australia? In my opinion, this may be the true reason for Microsoft's Anti-Phishing Tool to identify this as a scam; even Microsoft's own software can recognize a raw deal when it sees one.

Oblig Simpsons (1, Funny)

mastershake_phd (1050150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257046)

HA HA

Editors patronising the readers (0, Troll)

philml (589423) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257082)

My first thought is... this is a rubbish story, not worth broadcasting. An amusing accident, nothing more.

My second thought is... what patronising editors to think it's worth posting, to get us commenting.

Wolf in sheep's clothing (1)

joe_cot (1011355) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257124)

From the site:
It's not cheating if...
  • You do it in another postcode
  • You use the thesaurus in word
  • You drink light beer
  • You're home before midnight
  • You don't get caught

Contrast that with Bill's response to Gorbachov's Plea for mercy for a School teacher at a poor Russian school [slashdot.org]
According to Microsoft, it's not cheating if you don't get caught, but if you do get caught, they're more than happy to send you to Siberia to rot. I'm glad they're trying to show a friendly, smiling face to the 18-24 age demographic, but in reality, they're a faceless, soulless corporation, and no amount of hype or jive is going to change that.

Well, how could something like this happen? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257342)

How does this scam detector work?

Does it analyze a page and determine whether it gathers information? If so, the number of false positives would go through the roof, considering just how many pages do it today and (allegedly) with benign reasons.

Is it peer reported? In that case, MS should probably prepare to see this a lot more often, given the amount of people who'd just love to make them look bad.

So does anyone know where this scam detector actually gets its information?

Now all that remains (4, Funny)

GFree (853379) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257352)

is for Windows Defender in Vista to stuff up and flag IE7 as spyware. That would be most amusing. :)

This shows it's working (4, Insightful)

Rix (54095) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257380)

No jabbing at MS intended. Something like this *should* generate more false positives than false negatives, because the cost to the user from a false positive is less than a false negative. Further, it shows that they aren't playing favourites, they've been caught in the same net anyone else might.

A $1200 product being sold for $75 is probably either a) not a $1200 product, or b) a scam, so this seems to have worked well. Special academic discounts are a fringe case.

Re:This shows it's working (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257614)

Something like this *should* generate more false positives than false negatives, because the cost to the user from a false positive is less than a false negative.

Not true. The cost to the user from false positives is that they get trained to not believe warnings from security software. That can follow them around for the rest of their life, causing damage over and over again, even when they've switched software and even after Microsoft fix their bugs.

Re:This shows it's working (0, Flamebait)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257848)

"A $1200 product being sold for $75 is probably either a) not a $1200 product, or b) a scam,"

a) is true with Microsoft Products
b) is also true because anything from Microsoft is a scam.

Therefore, your base choice is a false dichotomy, a logical fallacy. The conclusion "so this seems to have worked well." therefore isn't proven true. More than likely the product (antiphishing) is a scam, along with all their other products.

Re:This shows it's working (1)

Handover Phist (932667) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257854)

As much as I would love to jab at MS, mod parent UP!

I've just about had it with you people (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257434)

I just can't get how it is that you bunch of jerks can:

1: complain bitterly about lax MS security.
2: mock MS for having security
3: breath only with your mouths, as in "mouth breathers"

you guys romanticize the nerd and then turn around and use the cheap tactics of the grade-school bully, arch-nemesis of the much hallowed nerd archetype. it's beyond annoying, it is now to the point where it is disgusting.

I got an idea: just knock it off with the "haha" tags already. We all know the "haha" applies just as often to Apple, or to whichever FOSS windbag sticks foot to mouth each week (mailing list flame wars, stallman, etc.)

You don't see the 90% of the computerized world that uses windows mocking them with lame, immature barbs, do you? pathetic.

Meanwhile (2, Informative)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257470)

the Microsoft Anti-Phishing filter fails to find web sites selling OEM versions of Microsoft's software if the user makes a typo in the URL to any of the Microsoft web sites. Offering Office 2007 Ultimate edition for $50, Vista Ultimate for $65, and other discounts on so called OEM software that is really pirated versions of Microsoft software and the personal information is sold and used for identity theft so the buyer gets burned twice.

Hope its not a phishing site! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257592)

Just ordered my copy online, got the produt key and just have to download the install file.

I guess I'll find out soon how legit the offer is :D

There's never been a better time to buy! (3, Funny)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257694)

This deal is so good, even we can't believe it's for real! Order yours today! OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY!

the most frightening possibility (1)

malevolentjelly (1057140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257782)

What if X Australian Marketing Department Microsoft Employee simply forgot to whitelist the site and it was reported as a phishing scam as a joke/occasional concern? It's a fairly large company.

These sort of things wouldn't be news if people would simply stop personalizing large corporations and remember that they're massive aggregates of people spread across the world.

selective recognition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18257796)

and yet microsoft word doesn't recognize the word "microsoft." my browser has it underlined right now.

Misspelling (2, Funny)

sexybomber (740588) | more than 7 years ago | (#18257894)

Am I the only one who wishes that MS named their product the Phishing Philter?
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