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Sony Keynote Offers Hope For PlayStation 3 Fans

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the hallelujah dept.

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Once again, the stage was set for Sony to try to get some good will directed towards its next-gen console. Recent weeks especially have seen PR frustrations and setbacks for the company. Today was Sony's day to deliver: and in my opinion they did with flying colours. By the end of the keynote attendees were laughing and clapping with glee at the goodies that the company is going to be bringing to the PlayStation 3. Finally, finally, there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel for the console. Read on for my notes on the keynote, as well as links to other coverage of the event. Note the first: There may finally be a great reason to buy a PlayStation.Taking a page from the PAX playbook, the first notable event of the Sony Keynote was the introduction of the huge soccer balls into the audience by gleeful PR wags. Front row attendees seemed to delight in targeting photographers, beaning several unobservant cameramen with the huge inflatable spheres.

Jamil Moledina introduced Sony's Harrison, saying that this was a 'great year' for the conference. With all three console out and the tools in place, GDC is focused on 'taking control' and charting the future of gaming. With words about SCEA's future being linked to the developers here, Jamil hands the keynote off to Phil.

Opening with talk of 'audience participation' (ala the big soccer balls), Phil launches into a discussion of Games 3.0. The Time magazine 'person of the year' last year was referenced, as was the Web 2.0 philosophy. The reality is that the concepts are worthless without actual products. So, Sony is now moving in the direction of a new '3.0 philosophy'.

Games 1.0 = disconnected consoles. 2.0 games are connected, but with static content on the disc. 3.0 games are all about social interactions, community, customization, emergent entertainment, with the audience members at the center of the entertainment experience. Open standards are mentioned as a definite possibility.

PlayStation Home will be launching from Sony later this year. (video clip) There's just a new icon on the media bar, allowing access to the new content. Phil introduces Scott Walgerman, producer of the service to do a demo. The service begins with the words 'entering the online world'. When you enter the service, you are in the central lounge. Your avatar is customizable, and extremely detailed. These is *not* Miis, these are better than Second Life quality digital characters. A virtual PSP allows you to teleport around and customize your character. Clothes are added to your wardrobe by buying games. Heavenly Sword being played on the console means you have a Sword t-shirt in your bag.

Dynamic advertising is pushed into the space via banners around the world, and in billboards. HD-quality video is running on the billboards. Users are communicating around the demonstrator, with chat, voice, and emotes.

Other public spaces exist to allow opportunities for social interaction. There's a games lounge with easy games like pool, bowling, and arcade titles. The pool and bowling titles are physics based in the world. The arcade games are customizable, and ... perhaps this is the venue for indie games?

Every avatar has a private apartment, an opportunity to make a statement in the world and a place to hang out with friends. Everything is customizable, and more furniture/wallpaper is downloadable. Unsurprisingly, some will be for-purchase. More interestingly, everything is physics based. Picture frames can be pinned to the wall, and any content on the PS3 is postable up there. Phil demonstrates the ability to do 'user created content' by taking a photo of the crowd, slotting the memory stick into the PS3, and then loading the picture into the picture frame.

Moving to another apartment, which can be purchased and is quite a bit larger. Premium items like the pool tables, arcades, can be put into place. Video can be put into place as well via televisions. Scott demonstrates by putting the Casino Royale trailer onto the display.

We teleport again, to the Home Movie Theater. There's a trailer running in the foyer, and dynamic posters on the walls. The avatar moves up to 'user customized spaces', where they introduce grouper content. By walking into theaters, you can watch the content and chat with friends. Not only Sony brands and big named movies, then, but YouTube like user-created content in this world.

Porting again, we head out to locations based around game publishers. We zoom to a 'sports lounge' with information and views of minigames. Harrison says it's very simple to make these spaces, and thinks that many developers will be happy to make such areas.

The final area they go to, the hall of fame, shows off Trophies that you'll earn through play. You can place them in cases, completely 3d and physics based. It's also possible to show off defining moments from your gaming experience on video screens. The avatar then walks out onto a balcony, revealing a Star Wars senate hall style area with hundreds of other user spaces and displaying hundreds of other trophies.

The whole thing is free. There's a large-scale Beta trial beginning in April of this year, with the service launching in Fall of this year.

Phil then moves on to Singstar. Sold 7 million units on PS2, and they're now looking forward to taking it to the PlayStation Network. He demonstrates the online capabilities of the game, showing recent song additions and what your friends have been singing lately. The store is also very easy, adding songs to a cart with the push of a button. Songs download in the background, which Phil notes is a 'good feature'. If you want to, you can videotape your performance and share it with your friends. They can then be rated. That sounds ominous. May/June release in Europe for the game, with a release 'later' for the states.

The next announcement: PlayStation Edge. A set of core tools and technologies that they've used on first party titles, and will now be shared with PS3 devs. Later today they'll be talking about it in a session. One is a graphics tool, allowing best use of the chipset. The other is an optimization set, allowing 'best of breed' technology use. To be shared via the support network after GDC.

And another announcement. LittleBigPlanet. (video clip) It's the guys who did RagDoll KungFu.. Mark Healy and Alex Evans are brought out, and show off the title, which is all about 'creativity.' Alex beings by saying they'll show how easy it is to make stuff in the game world. With just a few controller elements, they make a block, add a gear, and then set it moving with physics. It looks exactly like the toolset from Second Life, only useable. Everything is very intuitive, and the avatars are adorable. Little brown felt creatures. They then begin adding images to the walls with 'stickers'. There's all sorts of weird little things, and everything is completely customizable. Content on the HDD is addable to your space as well. The two demonstrators collaborate by adding elements to each other's creations. They're even able to add elements to each other's avatars.

They then drop down to show a much more customized area, where Phil and another demonstrator join them. The new demonstrator has a really excellent dragon scarf that flows realistically in the wind behind the character as he leaps through the air. This space is a game. It's a platformer, entirely within the gameworld. They all collect little oranges, knock over blocks, and generally chaos their way from left to right. They can also collaborate to help each other across puzzles by manipulating physical objects. It's amazing. The audience is laughing, clapping, and talking amongst themselves, and the entire thing looks fantastic. There's dynamic lighting, intuitive gameplay ... as interesting as the Home stuff is, if these elements are for real, this is the reason to buy PlayStation 3. The demo gets a huge ovation, and there's a decent amount of cheering. It's just crazy. They then show a quick video showing the way your creations can be shared. It's debuting sometime this year via PSN, on Blu-Ray next year.

"The industry is on the threshold of a new era of communication and innovation." An opportunity for the industry to expand the horizons of gaming. He wraps it up with a wish for good GDC, and the audience response is very positive.

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Fristy Piston (0, Troll)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267268)

So I was on my way out the door when it occurred to me that I hadn't punched anyone in the throat today. I turned around and slammed the first person I could see. OK. Now I can go home.

Re:Fristy Piston (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267308)

Do you happen to work for Sony?

Re:Fristy Piston (-1, Troll)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267354)

Why yes. Yes I do. I work in the Customer Crevice department. I'm the last person you see when you gripe too much about our products. I give you an, (ahem) "attitude adjustment" by making sure whatever product you're complaining about fits very snugly in your rectum.

Are you for real! (0, Troll)

guysmilee (720583) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267282)

The last thing i wanna do is play a crappy 3d game just to play a good 3d game. Online services for consoles should be lean mean and efficient ... not a bloody RPG! This look like a pain in the butt ... bring on the load time complaints!

Light... (5, Funny)

Joe Random (777564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267286)

...there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel for the console.
That's just the PS3's heatsink going incandescent.

Well... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267464)

After all, you have to know where the weak point is so that you can hit it for MASSIVE DAMAGE! :-)

Anyhow, looks like they're done copying the Wii (sixaxis), so now they're going to try copying the X-Box (X-Box Live).

Re:Well... (2, Insightful)

zerOnIne (128186) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267642)

they're not quite done copying the wii! notice the mii-like functionality in PS home?

Taking a page from the PAX playbook... (4, Funny)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267306)

"Taking a page from the PAX playbook..."

Cool, they're going to offer "Diagnosis Murder" and "Touched by an Angel" for the PS3! I can't wait.

Can you show me... (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267476)

On this doll, exactly where did the angel touch you?

Let the record show the victim pointed to THE WALLET!

Good news indeed (3, Insightful)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267310)

I have to give it up for Sony. Playstation Home seems like something useful and it might even transcend its inherent gimmickry. It's not reason enough to buy a PS3, but it gives me hope that someone inside of SCEA knows what they're doing.

Re:Good news indeed (1)

d34thm0nk3y (653414) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267384)

I would have more faith if they actually mentioned games for this system more than just in passing.

So in other words... (-1, Troll)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267324)

Everything they are doing, is what Microsoft is ALREADY doing...

I think that is proof enough Microsoft is on the right path with the XBox360

Re:So in other words... (1)

malevolentjelly (1057140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267452)

I don't think people are looking for a bloated pseudo game-network. How about we focus on a functioning MP system even comparable to Live first? Gamers want apples and they're getting Apple Pie.

Re:So in other words... (0)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267542)

This is Sony we are talking about. They have messed up every other portion of the PS3 launch, so I'm quite sure this service launch will not go as planned either.

Re:So in other words... (0, Flamebait)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267524)

I'm not able to have my own apartment on the 360, I can't dress my avatar in super-detailed clothes. You just don't understand... Second Life is the killer app on the PS3.

</snicker>

Re:So in other words... (1)

cybereal (621599) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267784)

Everything they are doing, is what Microsoft is ALREADY doing... I think that is proof enough Microsoft is on the right path with the XBox360

What are you talking about? The 360 doesn't have any of these features. It most certainly doesn't have any kind of 3d world you interact with. And I've never heard of any plans from MS to add it.
I'm a 360 owner so I'd be interested to know if you are emitting something verifiable, or just the usual random crap slashdot is accustomed to.

Is this anything more... (1, Insightful)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267326)

... than a Sims Online combined with "Mii" ripoff? I can buy the Sims for probably $20 now, PS3's still cost a small fortune.

What no real games? (-1, Troll)

majortom1981 (949402) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267330)

IS Sony that worried about Nintendo that they showed everything that will blast away nintendo and nothing that will blast away Microsoft? Did they mention any other real New games? I gather they just dont care about the gaming aspect of their machine. Ok sony fanboy flame away if you must.

Re:What no real games? (5, Insightful)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267404)

I think that, given the fact that this is a developers' conference, they were more interested in showing new technologies, platforms, and tools, as opposed to actual games. Content at a developers' conference is usually geared more toward the developers, and not the consumer.

Re:What no real games? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267610)

Nah, that would just give people less to moan about. Kinda like when Apple didn't unveil anything mindblowing at their Developers convention, so people felt they had to go on-line and complain about it. ... never mind that THEY weren't the target audience.

Re:What no real games? (3, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267648)

I think that, given the fact that this is a developers' conference, they were more interested in showing new technologies, platforms, and tools, as opposed to actual games. Content at a developers' conference is usually geared more toward the developers, and not the consumer.

Having been to GDC, I can say that I am highly surprised that they did not announce any games for their console at their keynote, at least as an aside. In order to keep developers excited, or at least publishers to whom they are accountable, you must keep the gamers excited, and the lack of interesting games is definitely contributing to a lack of excitement.

I mean, there is plenty of excitement around the PS3, but it's pretty much all angry. "What?! Six hundred fucking dollars!? What?! Probably too cheap!?!?" etc.

Re:What no real games? (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267798)

I think that, given the fact that this is a developers' conference, they were more interested in showing new technologies, platforms, and tools, as opposed to actual games. Content at a developers' conference is usually geared more toward the developers, and not the consumer.

If I were a developer, I'd be worried about where the games are since, while those new technologies are neat and all, my company wouldn't be able to use them if I'm not convinced of a solid userbase and console saturation. No killer games to help move PS3's off the shelf = I'm not going to be so interested in building on PS3 technology. No matter how neat it is: it just doesn't make sense from a business perspective.

To lure out the Animal Crossing players? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267334)

Clothes, furniture, wallpaper... Is this intended to keep people from buying a Wii just for The Sims Thwii and Animal Crossing Thwii?

Some Questions (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267340)

I have a few questions about this article.

First question: Why couldn't you mention that this was a keynote at GDC? It doesn't have to be in the title, but it would have been nice for it to be in the first paragraph so it would show up before clicking in.

Second question: did they reveal what kind of bandwidth you're going to need to walk around a virtual world with HD video streaming on billboards? I don't want to have to run a DS3 into my house to see the latest Sony advert. Not that I'm even buying a PS3.

Third Question: Playstation Edge. I assume this is only for licensed developers, yes? Meaning that there's STILL no way for a hobbyist developer to make anything like full use of the hardware?

Finally, regarding LittleBigPlanet, how is this different from, say, half-life 2 with garry's mod? (Besides that it might not crash every couple hours...)

Fourth Question (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267730)

Who the hell cares that this virtual world is "Physics Based"? I mean, seriously, that's the biggest pile of astroturfing I've heard in a while. "Physics Based" to do what? Walk around and realistically nail a picture on the wall? Fall down a flight of stairs? Holy shit, sign me up now. I just hope they have the fluid calculations right for the paint-your apartment area. It would be disappointing if the paint didn't drip correctly. (sarcasm)

What a pile of nothing.

Re:Some Questions (4, Insightful)

acidrain (35064) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267832)

Meaning that there's STILL no way for a hobbyist developer to make anything like full use of the hardware?

Look. They *make their money* selling the right to run games on their hardware. You know that half a billion dollars they sunk into developing the thing? They plan to get it back with a fee of about $10 per-title.

They are not being jerks, it's just the reality of the business model. You know making up your loss on selling the razor back on selling the razor blades. If you want an open development environment -- buy a PC. You'll be able to get the same graphics and processing horsepower, just not subsidized by Sony.

Sounds Great, but.. (1)

SpaceballsTheUserNam (941138) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267342)

still nothing about any worthwhile games, except for maybe the dev tools.

Worthwhile games are so passe (3, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267514)

It's all about buzzword-enabled games now. Interactive! Customizable! Physics Based! Communities, COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES!!!

SecondLife for the PS3 (3, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267366)

The whole thing is free. There's a large-scale Beta trial beginning in April of this year, with the service launching in Fall of this year.

So is Second Life until you buy shit.

Every avatar has a private apartment, an opportunity to make a statement in the world and a place to hang out with friends. Everything is customizable, and more furniture/wallpaper is downloadable. Unsurprisingly, some will be for-purchase. More interestingly, everything is physics based.

So you will be purchasing stuff in this.

Why do we need a $600 device to play what's already available to anyone that has a computer? It's not like the target audience of the PS3 are computerless individuals. I don't see the point.

Re:SecondLife for the PS3 (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267416)

$600 is the current and near future price. This "feature" will be on after the price drops. It gives those who bought a ps3 a post hoc justification for their purchase. It adds value to their brand.

Re:SecondLife for the PS3 (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267584)

This "feature" will be on after the price drops.

But for how long? Eventually Sony will stop maintaining it and this feature will go inert.

SCEA has made a lot of noise about how the PS3 is supposed to last you forever (or at least longer than a typical generation in gaming) but I guarantee that they will either bring out a new console around the time Microsoft brings out the next one, or be destroyed. So how long after that will the service still be around? They'll probably create a whole new service like it for the next console (because integrating them will be difficult if you want both types of user to have the best possible experience) and drop this one in short order thereafter. So it's a nice bonus for current owners, but I don't see it as much of a selling point. As you say, it adds more value after the purchase. But I don't think it will sell many machines, although I am willing to be proven wrong.

Re:SecondLife for the PS3 (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267808)

You have no garentees with corporations. No more garentee that MS will not drop Live if it becomes economically unfeasible. No more garentee that Nintnedo will drop the Wii channels if they become troublesome (porn on Wii).

Re:SecondLife for the PS3 (5, Funny)

haleyeah (691260) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267566)

Exactly. I didn't buy the 360 for Live. I bought it to play GOW with 13 yr olds who constantly assert their views on my sexual orientation.

Wholy crap.. (5, Insightful)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267388)

I'm a gamer and all of that meant nothing to me.

Re:Wholy crap.. (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267538)

Yeah, kinda sad that people will spend all this time establishing their "virtual me". You want some to decorate? Move out of your parents house, get an apartment, then go straight to the mall and get fabrics/furniture/etc. Congrats.

I like the Wii approach. Takes all of 2 mins to make a Mii then you're done off playing games.

Tom

Re:Wholy crap.. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267740)

"I like the Wii approach. Takes all of 2 mins to make a Mii then you're done off playing games"

What Wii games? Did Nintendo actually release some?

Or did you mean old GameCube games with some pointing bolted on?

Or did you mean PS2 games that publishers dumped on the system with some pointing bolted on?

Or did you mean that awesome 'check the weather' game they have on the Wii?

Or did you mean those overpriced emulator games Nintendo has been trickling out to milk money out of desperate to play something Wii owners?

Or did you mean the most common Wii game of all - watching the machine gather dust. Fun for your whole family!

Let's hear it for Nintendo innovation!

Re:Wholy crap.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267810)

I've been enjoying Wario Ware, Rayman, Elebits, Twilight Princess, Trauma Center, and Excite Truck. I suppose there are others out there, too, but they've kept me occupied. I'm not sure why you're having a problem finding games. Ok, I suppose you could consider Twilight Princess to have its pointing "bolted on," but after using the Wiimote for aiming, it's hard to go back to a plain old analog controller.

Re:Wholy crap.. (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267554)

You're not the target audience. This was presented at the Game Developers' Conference, meaning the audience are primarily people related to game development (developers, designers, publishers).

Re:Wholy crap.. (1)

antic (29198) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267814)

"Note the first: There may finally be a great reason to buy a PlayStation."

You'd hope so. In Australia, the PS3 is pitched at a cost that I paid for my first car!

re: crap ... you aren't kidding! (5, Insightful)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267860)

As a PS3 owner myself, none of this excites me in the least. I'm not denying there is a market out there for it. But honestly, I only bought a console to get some good single-player games up on a big TV screen in the family room. It's nice to have the ability to play "head to head" against a friend who comes over, once in a while too ... and if the game is designed well enough for it, even Internet play. But wandering around in a 3D virtual world just so I can chat with people and set up multi-player games with them? No thanks. It's a big load of unnecessary extra GUI junk....

I really *wanted* to find something amazing/interesting about "Second Life", for that matter, and it failed to draw me in. If I feel like having conversations with random strangers, good old IRC seems like one of the most straightforward ways to accomplish it online. If I only want to chat with specific people I know, then you can't beat a video conference with a web cam, or alternately, instant messenger. I don't feel any need to express myself through some made-up "avatar", or spend my *real* money to have virtual 3D items to show off to other players. It's a horrible value for my dollar.

Honestly, the most exciting part of the PS3 to me lies in the ability for software publishers to send out patches and add-ons to their game titles, and to even purchase titles and download them online. In the past, that was a BIG negative for me with console systems. You buy a game on CD or DVD or whatever, and it is what it is. Find bugs in it? Tough... you're stuck with them. I was really happy with my $19.99 download of Tekken 5, and with the updates they're doing for Resistance. THAT is where a PS3 can add real value for customers.

There may finally be a reason to buy a PC (3, Insightful)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267400)

There are obviously more games and online services for a PC than a Playstation, and these days a PC is cheaper. You can quickly hook up a notebook to an HD TV and a joystick of your choice and have a similar experience to PS3. You can disable net access, uninstall most of built in programs and enable autoplay to run games when a disk is inserted if you are concerned about ease of use.

Game consoles really made sense when they were at least 3 times cheaper than a PC, for people who couldn't afford a regular computer, or a second computer for kids. Perhaps Nintendo Wii is still in that league.

Re:There may finally be a reason to buy a PC (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267480)

There are obviously more games and online services for a PC than a Playstation, and these days a PC is cheaper. You can quickly hook up a notebook to an HD TV and a joystick of your choice and have a similar experience to PS3. You can disable net access, uninstall most of built in programs and enable autoplay to run games when a disk is inserted if you are concerned about ease of use.

Game consoles really made sense when they were at least 3 times cheaper than a PC, for people who couldn't afford a regular computer, or a second computer for kids. Perhaps Nintendo Wii is still in that league.


By your rationale the PS2 and xbox must have been abysmal failures. They weren't 3 times cheaper then PC's at the same time. Consoles big advantage is uniformity of developing platform and a large install base. PC gaming is distinctly different as well. Drastically different styles of games most of the time.

Re:There may finally be a reason to buy a PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267644)

The PS2 and xbox are now three times cheaper than a pc...

Meesa journalist! (0, Troll)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267418)

These is *not* Miis, these are better than Second Life quality digital characters.

Jar-Jar confirms, PlayStation Home avatars look at least as good as the characters in Wolfenstein 3D [wikipedia.org].

Better than Second Life? (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267496)

Yeah, because Second Life is the pinnacle of character design. Not.

You'd expect the open-sourcing to make it better, but I haven't heard anything promising.

You know what? Wake me up when they look better than Final Fantasy characters.

Wait a Minute... (1)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267424)

...the Playstation 3 has fans? Really? Could have fooled me. Everyone I know is raging on the Atari Jaguar 64-bit system and the Atari Lynx as the end all and be all. But I'm nearly 40, what do I know?

Here's All The Stuff From Sony This Week (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267454)

Home trailer:
http://download.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_home_g dc07_h264.wmv [gametrailers.com]

Little Big Planet trailer:

http://download.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_little bigplanet_gdc07_h264.wmv [gametrailers.com]

Heavenly Sword:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14502 0&page=8 [neogaf.com]
http://www.playsyde.com/news_4067_en.html [playsyde.com]

Tekken 5DR:
19.99 1080p Arcade perfect port available to download from the PSN store
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmB2cV-Lz-w [youtube.com]

Motorstorm:
12 player dedicated server no lag offroad racing with insane physics and crashes
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1103341 [hardforum.com]

Warhawk:
32 player dedicated server air and ground combat game that will be available for download from PSN store
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14457 6 [neogaf.com]
http://retromovies.ign.com/games/video/article/693 /693580/ignweekly_episode38_flvlowwide.flv [ign.com]

God of War 2:
Nothing needs to be said about this sequel...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/811/811719/imgs_1.h tml [ign.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaUIShOM54 [youtube.com]

Lair:
1080p dragon game with insanely large levels and armies
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv01-2007-gamefront/2689. html [gfdata.de]

HAHAHAH (4, Interesting)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267458)

Seriously, nothing but hype for the PS3, and it totally under delivers. Now, the promise of this awesome online service. The thing is, it takes years to get the usability feed back from users to really make a UI powerful and intuitive. That's years of experience that Sony just doesn't have.

Re:HAHAHAH (0, Flamebait)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267520)

Oh I forgot that this gushing review of the future of the PS3 sounds remarkably like the rubber ducky demo that we saw for two years before the PS3 hit the shelves.

Re:HAHAHAH (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267602)

That's years of experience that Sony just doesn't have.

Sony was making user interfaces when, say, Apple wasn't even a twinkle in anyone's eye. True, they were on purpose-built electronic devices, but still, they know a little something about UI. Or at least they have. It often seems like they've forgotten it all. Even their "new" interface is just the one from Colin McRae Rally 3 with icons instead of text labels and a black color scheme instead of a white one :P

Fleeting Optimism (1)

acgrissom (1002693) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267482)

I have to say, while this sounds undeniably cool, it still does not justify spending as much on a console as one would on a month's rent. As history as shown, the coolest (or "most powerful") console doesn't always win the console wars. So Sony has an online quasi-MMO with cool physics and interaction. Wonderful. It's still $600.

Particularly telling is the statement that "...if these elements are for real, this is the reason to buy PlayStation 3." Generally, people buy game consoles -- especially $600 ones -- because they intend to play a lot of games on it. If people are going to pay this kind of premium for a PS3, it needs a lot more than a cool interface.

As great as buzzwords like "Games 3.0" (or whatever it was) sound to a conference room full of anticipatory people, the question is not "Is this cool?" but "Will this translate into more sales." The Wii has sold over 5 million consoles worldwide, and I still can't find one. The PS3 has sold 2 million. Let me say that again. The PS3 has sold 2 million units. The PS3 sold more than that in the first month. Sony has sold slightly over 700,000 over the cursed things in Japan. That's only about twice as many as there are Xbox 360's in Japan, which is truly sad. There has only been one game in the top 50 of Japanese sales for weeks -- Virtua Fighter 5 -- and it was at something like number 45, last I checked.

(See http://www.vgcharts.org/ [vgcharts.org] Despite all of this negativity, this is a bright spot for Sony. If nothing else, it's something about which those who have already spent $600 on a PS3 (plus peripherals) can feel good. Let's hope, for Sony's sake, that there is more to come.

Sheesh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267486)

Do I really have to read a summary of a PR speech written by some fanboy and posted to Slashdot to force ~$600 out of my hands for a monster that want's to be everything but a reasonably priced video game?

I'll be waiting for the Home version of the PS3.

I can't help but be unimpressed (3, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267490)

Okay, first of all they rip off Second Life and The Sims--only with annoying ads flashing everywhere and the "opportunity" to give them money to buy virtual crap for your generic apartment, with no REAL customization (i.e. letting you build your OWN stuff, like in Second Life). Then they tout it like THEY discovered this whole idea (as if about 100 other online worlds hadn't been doing it for YEARS). Then, for a topper, they throw in their obvious knockoffs of the "Mii" and the 360's achievements.

I tell you, Sony's arrogance is truly something to behold. The irony is that they're competing against MS, which had traditionally been known for stealing ideas. This time, it's Sony who appears to be stealing everything. And they don't even appear to be implementing anything particularly well.

Like MS with the Zune, they know that something is cool. They know how to do a superficial knockoff. But they just DON'T GET IT.

-Eric

Re:I can't help but be unimpressed (2, Interesting)

Trogre (513942) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267670)

So... they're seeing what their potential customers want and giving it to them, right?

And you call that arrogance?

Interesting.

Re:I can't help but be unimpressed (3, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267744)

No, what he/she is calling arrogance is Sony releasing features that both MS and Nintendo already have (and have had since launch) and also releasing features that seem to be like a mini-Second Life and then saying it like they were the first ones ever to think of doing it.

Pretending to be the pioneer of something that your competitors have already done, ESPECIALLY when you have already copied one of your competitors once...that's arrogance.

Re:I can't help but be unimpressed (1)

DCstewieG (824956) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267872)

Oh come on, Sony has ALWAYS stolen ideas in the videogame realm. I don't know anything they've come up with on their own.

PS1
Controller - Slight variation on SNES...STILL!!!
Analog sticks - Saturn and N64 had first
Rumble - N64
CD-ROM - Eh, no credit, logical advance and Sega did it too

PS2
Hard drive - Microsoft
Online - Microsoft and Sega
4 controller ports - Oh wait they didn't even copy that! Ridiculous that PS2 didn't have 4

PS3
Wireless control - Wavebird (but again, logical advance)
Sixaxis - Oh God...

Sony's success is based entirely on business decisions as opposed to what they actually turn out. Though I mostly blame my beloved Sega. If they hadn't borked the Saturn so bad, PSX never would have gained traction (IMHO), though Nintendo and the N64 cartridge didn't help either. After that, the PS2 hype train ensured success. Had Sony released Dreamcast and Sega PS2, Sony's Dreamcast would have won. It really pisses me off that Sony is on top (well we'll see now) while bringing nothing substantial to the table.

So basically... (1, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267506)

...Sony went on a stage and said "OK everyone! We are going to rip off Nintendo's idea again, but we are going to do you one better...we are going to rip off Second Life AND Microsoft at the same time!!! Get it? See, the avatars are Nintendo, Second Life provides the apartments, and Microsoft supplies the achievement system! But no scrawny little points for our dedicated fanbase, oh no...you get TROPHIES!"

Quit insulting my intelligence and put out a game worth playing for the PS3, cunt scabs.

Kudos to the Sony PR department. (2, Interesting)

WndrBr3d (219963) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267546)

I think this is an attempt to combine the Nintendo Mii aspect of personalizing an online gaming persona with the gaming prestige aspect of the Microsoft Gamer Score.

My biggest problem with Sony's implementation of these new enhancements and roll out of new features is that it's a little late in the game to be doing so. The console has been on the market now for roughly four months, things such as online markets and features like the Sony Playstation Home should have been completed at launch much like the Nintendo Mii and Microsoft XBox Gamer Tags.

Rolling out major features like this after launch makes it seem like Sony just rushed to release the PS3 with a, "we'll add things as they're finished" mentality. Call them 'catch-up features'.

Although Nintendo has had several 'catch up features' added, such as the Wii channels finally being completed months after launch, I have to give it to Microsoft in that the changes to XBox Live and the dashboard have more or less just been an evolution over the last year and a half since the 360 was introduced. Sure, much more content has been added since it's inception, but nothing radically new has been added.

So my hat goes off to Sony for being able to spin these new 'features' in a positive light, but I guess the question should be asked, Why weren't these features released with the console when the competitors already had them in place?

Re:Kudos to the Sony PR department. (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267762)

Home looks like it'd take a lot more work than implementing GamerTags or the Mii system. Honestly I don't think this is something they could throw together in just 4 months, not with what they're promising anyway. I think that really they weren't ready to launch the system, but Microsoft forced their hand, and they had to get it out as soon as they could, feature complete or not. They were lazy, PS2 was still going strong, and they were in no rush to launch the PS3. But with Microsoft launching the 360, there was no choice.

Of course, it was their fault they were lazy, but this really doesn't seem like something they thought of after the launch.

Honestly, Sony (1)

JoshDM (741866) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267550)

It just sounds like you made everything even more inaccessible by forcing us to play a game to get to your content.

Accessability is probably why the Wii will win the war.

Next! (1, Insightful)

Buddy_DoQ (922706) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267552)

Dynamic advertising is pushed into the space via banners around the world, and in billboards. HD-quality video is running on the billboards.

Well, done and scared me off. Next! Video games are quickly becoming as insulting as television and the local AMC; one day not to far from now I'll only have my old books as a proper escape from the capitalist bombardment.

Re:Next! (2, Interesting)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267664)

Seriously.

I recently got so fed up with being just a "cog in the wheel" that I dropped my WoW account, cancelled Steam, and went to a library. It's gotten so that the only place I can escape ads is in my own head.

Not quite accurate (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267556)

The whole thing is free.

With purchase of $700 playstation 3.

I guess this is a good thing but its certainly not enough to get me to buy a playstation at that price

Re:Not quite accurate (5, Insightful)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267742)

Free
* With the purchase of a PS3
* Clothes, wallpaper, and other items will cost money
* Since there will be freeloaders who avoid buying virtual goods, there's also streaming video advertisements galore to offset the cost of running the servers.

"Free" is one word for it, I guess...

God of War 2 (1)

Satanboy (253169) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267560)

God of War 2 is going to be the last game I buy for my PS2, after that, I'm selling it on ebay, forgetting about sony and going xbox 360, the PS3 has lost focus on what makes playstation great. . . the games

Is the submitter being sarcastic? (3, Insightful)

realmolo (574068) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267562)

So, Sony's big announcement is that they are doing cheesy "Second Life"-type stuff on the PS3?

Jesus. What planet do they live on? NOBODY CARES! We want good games, and good multiplayer. That's it. But no, instead we get some worthless service that is designed to appeal to the "I spend $50 per month on ringtones" market. Fucking ridiculous.

Poor Liddle Zonk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267586)

You can almost picture the pathetic little editorial troll sitting under his bridge banging out the writeup for this news with bitter tears streaming down his face...

Love it!

Slashvertisement central (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267604)

So the big thing you've got in this version of the Playstation seems to be advertising, and branded virtual items ala second life. This is suppose to be the difference between the PS3 being good and it being a steaming pile of dung? Give me and my wallet a break. I don't want any damned ads in my games. I don't want games that require that I be online. All of that should be possible but not required to get the most out of what essentially should be an arcade games machine for the home.

SOny is bad with software (1)

junior.kun (987391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267630)

I lot of observers have commented recently that Sony is bad with software. Even their CEO has acknowledged this. They were able to get by in the last two generations, because their hardware was appealing enough compared to other consoles that developers flocked to their system, but now, with some very competitive hardware from Nintendo and Microsoft, they're in trouble. Sony's software deficiencies lost them the portable music market, and they're in danger of losing the console market as well. It doesn't help that they don't get that the fancies, most expensive hardware is not really all that important to the success of a system.

looks good (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267640)

but is a recreation of the sims/second life really worth 599 us dollas? these are nice additions but are hardly games. The little big world game was nice but as most sony fan boys say, it looks "kiddy" is this the "mature" gameplay sony is all about?

More of the same... (1, Insightful)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267652)

It sounds like Sony has lost total grasp of the industry they're in, the "videogame" industry. What *I* want to see are the games. I'm stuck in a hard place now. I want to buy an Xbox 360 or a PS3. My knee jerk reaction is to go with Sony because they will probably provide more of the games that I want to play in the long run, but in the short term (next 2 years) it's looking sorta grim. I'm sure this new service by Sony will be great, it sounds like it mixes the social aspects of Wii's with the gamer oriented aspects of Xbox Live. Okay, so Sony waited to see what their competitors did and combined it and made something great. I can understand that, if I was Sony I'd play it safe and wait so I could outdo my competitors too. But instead of using this to support the games, they're using this to supplant the games and sell the system based on what it CAN do but isn't instead of what it IS DOING. And there lies the crux. Sure, I'll eventually get a 360 or a PS3, but not until the smoke settles. It's too much of an investment to get the top end of either system. Besides, I'm having too much fun with my Wii now and it didn't break the bank either. Hopefully the PS3 will be in a better position in a couple years when (if?) the novelty of the Wii runs out.

Re:More of the same... (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267788)

I think an important thing to note here is that this is GDC, and while a key word in there is "Game", another is also "Developer". This is a conference for developers, (hence the unveiling of Playstation Edge) not a replacement for E3. I think those looking for a ton of news on new Playstation games will be better served by the revamped E3 in the up and coming months.

Defective by design (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267676)

I shit my pant!

Summary of the summary (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267684)

Later this year, you'll be able to pay $600 to play something that's like Second Life with HD advertising, but without the ability to create your own stuff.

And this is going to sell systems how, exactly?

Re:Summary of the summary (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267728)

Its not going to sell systems, but its an extra feature. Virtual Console, Miis, and Wii Channels didn't sell Wiis, but it didn't hurt either.

But... But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267686)

Will the new Playstation come with a rootkit?

Wow Slashdot... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267708)

For ages I've been coming here purely for the discussion. Slashdotters seemed to generally have a more open mind and the average maturity level seemed to be that much higher than the people over within the digg community. So I read the comments of this to find out the Slashdot reaction, and a majority of you are "Wow, way to copy Nintendo, screw off Sony." and "So it's Sims and Second Life? Give me a break", all while being modded up to +5 insightful or +5 interesting. No Slashdot, you give me a break.

I guess it's obvious that Sony can't win here anymore. They integrate what Nintendo did with the Mii system (which was widely praised) and the community of XBox Live (also widely praised) and put their own personal spin on it and take it that much farther, and all you can say is "Fuck Sony". What if they just made a system that mimics XBox Live? "Looks like all Sony can do is copy Microsoft, fuck Sony." What if they just made a system with Mii's like Nintendo? "Looks like all Sony can do is copy Nintendo, fuck Sony." They put their own spin on what they think next-gen console connectivity should be, but obviously it must still be inferior. Why? They're Sony.

That's not even all they're offering. Is no one excited by LittleBigPlanet other than me? Is that not one of the coolest game concepts ever? Hell, Zonk knows it, and he's the one that's supposedly biased against Sony. But no, screw LittleBigPlanet, let's just make remarks like "this all sucks, where are the games?". Let alone when games coming out for the PS3 ARE mentioned, XBox supporters come out of the woodwork saying "Yeah well online will suck they don't have XBox Live". I guess games only matter when Sony doesn't present a ton of games? This is GDC. You'll see games at E3. Give them a break.

Honestly Slashdot, you've let me down. The Digg community has largely kept an open mind about Sony. Finally some good news, and for the most part, there's some good (but skeptical, understandably) reception. I'm not saying Playstation Home is the savior of the PS3, nor am I saying that LittleBigPlanet is the only game that will matter. I'm saying they've demoed some really cool stuff, and yet still they get blasted. Why? Because it's not the same? Because they're not exactly like the 360 or the Wii? I don't get it guys. I really don't.

/rant, awaiting the "you must be new here" and 360 fanboy flames.

A new hope? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267756)

Do you want a real reason to buy a Playstation 3? Just make the long-waited remake of Final Fantasy VII with E3 tech demo's graphics. You can bet a lot of people would buy a PS3 just for that, me included.

PlayStation just has three fans? :-) (1)

DavidinAla (639952) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267764)

I misread the headline on the summary. I honestly thought that it first said that the "keynote offers hope for PlayStation's 3 fans." I'm not a gamer, but I figured things must be even worse for Sony than I'd realized. :-)

David

Repeat after me: (1)

Rimbo (139781) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267768)

Six Hundred Dollars.

Is there anything here that you can't get for less than $600 elsewhere?

Six. Hundred. Dollars.

Although the lack of games and poor online support and other issues were problems, problem #1 is still there.

Re:Repeat after me: (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267852)

Six Hundred Dollars.

Is there anything here that you can't get for less than $600 elsewhere?


Blu-ray

PS3 games (Restistance/MGS4/FFXIII)

Cell processor that can be a 60 gb Linux machine with built in wi-fi

It's not as bad as people say, it's nto as good as astroturfers scream. It's simply a product. It's some pros, some cons. Time will tell if it works as a product.

I'm ready to buy it now! (1)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267774)

Not a frickin' PS3 though. This crap points me straight in the direction of the Xbox360. I hate M$ as much as the next guy, but the original Xbox was done very well and had some very compelling games. I have 2 PS2s a PSP and 3 or more original PSXen, but no more from Sony please. I've got just about every handheld and console ever made, except for most Nintendo ones and the Vectrex, and am glad I've slowed down my console spending these past few years. The PSP was *very* promising, but Sony *blew* it by locking down their system from the homebrew developers. This lame PS3 Second-Life ripoff just proves to me further that Sony is out of touch with gamers and the game industry in general. Too little, too late. They should open the PSP OS to anyone who can code to it. Period. PS3? When it hits the $99 price point I may get one to play Linux on, but so far this is so underwhelming I can't decide whether to yawn or crap. Sony took a very wrong turn during the PSP and they show no signs of circling back to correct it. They used to be the top dog, now their eating Wii and Xbox360 scraps.

Gaymes 3.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18267782)

Games 3.0:

Putting the "GAY" back into GAYMES

But... (1)

NobeyamaGP (1073002) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267806)

Those of us with dial-up are still waiting for a reason to care. I'd still rather have a Wii, not because of the News and Weather channels or online store (which are neat additions), but because the games are actually fun. Apparently Sony doesn't understand why Nintendo has them scared.

A great reason to buy a PlayStation 3? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267844)

You mean they dropped the DRM and reduced the price by 75%?

Cool!

Objectivism please. (5, Insightful)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267850)

I realise this is slashdot, and I'm really looking in the wrong place for this.

There seems to be a disproportionate amount of negativity concerning Sony's showing. Sony has said a lot of dumb things, they've done a few dumb things, but this does offer hope for Sony.

That is not to say there aren't criticisms to be brought up, I'm just disappointed at how they have been here. Sony may have obtained the ill-will of gamers, but if we're going to tell them they suck at something we can at least do it intelligently. Calling Zonk a Sony fanboy (oh the irony after all the Nintendo and Xbox related accusations), and dismissing the whole keynote as though it was by default terrible are not effective methods of changing reality. The reality is, Sony and the PS3 have seen the first truly good, even awesome, news for them in a long time. It's not all redeeming, it alone will not outweigh all the crap we've faced. However, if you are truly interested in defending the industry against Sony what I've seen above is not how it is done. This is sticking one's head in the sand.

Point out that Home is needlessly complicated, that it won't appeal to causual gamers, that it makes you unconfortable because it seems designed to overly consumerize online communities. Back up these points with expanded statements, compare them fairly to the counterparts of Live and the Mii Channel, but of all things don't simply pan this without paying attention. If you're intent on keeping Sony your beating horse, you're going to have to put effort into it.

Closing your eyes does not rid the world of light.

What's that "reason" again? (1)

amigabill (146897) | more than 7 years ago | (#18267856)

if these elements are for real, this is the reason to buy PlayStation 3.

So, I can finally watch some 3d rendered character watching a DVD? Sweet! You're right, we finally do have a reason to buy PS3!

Eh, sorry. A built-in SecondLife with better graphics is not a reason to buy a PS3. Not for me anyway. Nor is the development stuff. I just don't care. It's a game machine as well as the cheapest Blueray movie player. I don't care about blueray movies right now. As for games, I've got an XB360 and will most likely buy a Wii before I buy a PS3.
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