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Australian Students Can Get Office at 95% Off Retail

samzenpus posted more than 7 years ago | from the almost-free dept.

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tora201 writes "Microsoft Australia is offering university students in that country Microsoft Office 2007 Ultimate Edition for just $75 Australian dollars, a 95% discount off the usual retail price. Alternatively students can buy a one year renewable license at just $25, or download a trial version that can be later activated. Eligibility is determined through a valid Australian university e-mail address with payment made via credit card."

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Dupe! (5, Informative)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#18273992)

Dupe - and the original story [slashdot.org] was much funnier - it covered MS's promotional site being flagged as a phishing site by MS's own IE7.

You idiot! (2, Informative)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274020)

I linked to the article I was commenting on.

Dupe article is here. [slashdot.org]

Re:You idiot! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274198)

More ddupes plz!

We likes em!!!11

and More idiots too!!!!!!!1111111

Re:Dupe! (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274224)

I don't know why parent was modded down. This article is indeed very much a dupe.

Re:Dupe! (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274384)

I didn't see the first posting, and I'm definitely going to go for this offer. Could this be the first useful dupe in /. history?

Re:Dupe! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274640)

Anything that makes you pony up some more greenbacks to Microsoft-san is useful.

Re:Dupe! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274730)

I thought your title meant they were duped.

But the sad thing is... (4, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274016)

Dupe or not, the sad thing is there are lots of students clueless enough to think that they need MS Office when 99% of them can do all they need with OpenOffice.org.

Re:But the sad thing is... (5, Insightful)

W2k (540424) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274046)

But the interface of Office 2007 is vastly different from that of OpenOffice. Those students may eventually be employed by someone who uses Office 2007 internally within their organization, and wants new employees to be familiar with it without any training, mandating prior experience. In this sense, the students being allowed to buy Office 2007 for cheap is a Good Thing for them.

Now, perhaps most companies running Office 2003/2007 could also have managed with OpenOffice, but that argument is not going to help a job-seeking student...

Re:But the sad thing is... (5, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274100)

But the interface of Office 2007 is vastly different from that of OpenOffice. Those students may eventually be employed by someone who uses Office 2007 internally within their organization, and wants new employees to be familiar with it without any training, mandating prior experience.

The vast majority of Office users never really use more than a very limited subset of the available features. A univeristy level student should be able to pick those up in a span of a few days, if familiar with Office applications in general.

If you're aiming for a job which requires serious Office involvement it's a good thing to learn MS Office. But for writing papers, etc. buying it makes little sense. Spend a few hours every now and then in the uni computer lab and practice with MS Office instead.

Re:But the sad thing is... (4, Insightful)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274136)

It could be argued that if your CV (or resume) is that difficult to fill with interesting information about yourself that you have to mention "MS Office experience", then you probably need to go and spend some time getting some better skills.

I accept that more complex skills in MS Office like Excel programming, data merges, etc. are probably in demand by many employers - but for someone who just creates simple documents in MS Office, OpenOffice would probably take no more than a couple of hours to adjust to.

Re:But the sad thing is... (4, Insightful)

W2k (540424) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274528)

Lots of people have responded to my post same as you, "if you have to mention Office experience to fill your CV you suck", or "if your employer thinks you need retraining to switch Office versions they're daft", etc. That's beside the point. The point is that HR people will use "office 2007" as a search term when looking through the stack of digitized CV's they got in response for their latest job offering. HR people really are that clueless. And if you don't want to lie on your CV, it will serve you to be able to put "Office 2007" in there.

Remember that I am talking about jobs that a student, in his last couple of years or just post graduation, might consider. NOT the most technically advanced positions, more like entry-level. In those, I've found, they only care about past positions.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

jedimark (794802) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274598)

damn.. where are my mod points :) Well said.

The underlying principles of this office related stuff is taught (now anyway) as a standard subject in Australian (and most other countries) schools.

Anyone who after 12 or more years of modern education, can't easily adapt to using any computer software to write letters and other business documents, should not be regarded as employable (in their current state) in an office position. There are plenty of other jobs available for them.. I guess computers weren't a strong enough interest. (I'm not knocking people with learning disabilities here btw, but thats a separate issue.)

I'm glad there are plenty of smart people out there who can fix my car, fix broken limbs, and do other cool stuff, but not operate computers well. I'd have no job if it wasn't for them.

It will be interesting to see if Microsoft can compete for future students loyalty by being only a "little more expensive" then the nearest major competitor.

Re:But the sad thing is... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274230)

If you, your employer or someone else you know is employing people so dense that they can not handle a simple transition from one application to another, it's time to rethink the hiring policy.

Oh and you know it's funny, but I don't recall anyone wailing and gnashing their teeth because people who are already employed and using Microsoft Office 2003 will have to "learn" the new Microsoft Office 2007 user interface. Your argument seems to be that it is O.K for Microsoft Office 2007 not to look like Microsoft Office 2003, but it is not O.K for OpenOffice.org 2.1 not to look like Microsoft Office 2007. Que?

Re:But the sad thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274320)

Now, perhaps most companies running Office 2003/2007 could also have managed with OpenOffice, but that argument is not going to help a job-seeking student...


The students training cheaply with MS Office is not good for the students, it's good for MS. They get a few bucks as opposed to none at well, in the case that Office would be pirated. And they tie in users for the future. It's a bit like a guy pushing crack on the streets right?

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274324)

The interface to Office 2007 is vastly different (and vastly more difficult - what were MS thinking?) to every other version of office.

Openoffice is actually far more similar to the mainstream versions of office - Business won't be considering moving for 2-3 years, probably in line with vista movement (get all the retraining costs done at once). For large companies make that 5 years. The students will have graduated by then.

If they have to have MS Office on their CV (and I agree with others that if you have to go that low that what the hell are you doing at university?) then Office 97 or 2000 is perfectly fine.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

W2k (540424) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274508)

Business won't be considering moving for 2-3 years

That's a generalization. The company where I am currently employed has already moved to Vista and Office 2007. Rather painlessly too, from my point of view, though we have yet to move every last desk over.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274410)

But the interface of Office 2007 is vastly different from that of OpenOffice.

It is also very different from previous versions of MS Office

Those students may eventually be employed by someone who uses Office 2007 internally within their organization, and wants new employees to be familiar with it without any training, mandating prior experience.

With the emphesis of "eventually" commercial orgainisations are very reluctant to spend money simply to make a "fashion statement".

Re:But the sad thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274494)

I really, really cannot understand you at all.

I have never ever gotten a second of any training in any word processor, spread sheet or presentation graphics program whatsoever.

Do you really, honestly, think knowing around in one particular word processors menus gives real advantage in employment situation?

If I were employing I expect the person can use more than one program without huge "training". If not, I would terminate the contract ("fire") during the three month "test period" (or whatever it is called in English).

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

onco_p53 (231322) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274082)

Serious question. Can Open Office do track changes?

Re:But the sad thing is... (-1, Troll)

MrShaggy (683273) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274114)

Im not sure, but I've heard that it runs linnuks.. so its gotsa to beee good.

Re:But the sad thing is... (2, Funny)

EvanED (569694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274348)

so its gotsa to beee good

Jar-Jar?!

Re:But the sad thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274234)

Serious question. Can Open Office do track changes?

Serious answer. I think what you want is Tools->Options->OpenOffice.org Writer->Changes. I don't know how well it works, though, as I haven't used it.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274316)

It works okay. It's at least 5 years out of date; the track changes feature in Word 2002 is vastly superior to OO.org's, and it's very possible that even earlier versions were the same. There is an open enhancement request [openoffice.org] for OO.org to support one of the main differences if you want to vote for it.

(Actually the issue is the ability to display comments in a Word-like manner. This is essentially a prerequisite to the improved track changes handling, because deleted text "should" be displayed in a similar manner. Currently OO.org strikes out deleted text, which both is busier to the eye and totally messes with line, paragraph, and page breaks.)

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

Octorian (14086) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274470)

This is the first feature I point to when people claim "OpenOffice can replace MS Office". Even if OO can do track changes, it doesn't do it as well as MS Office. People who want to switch in the workplace *need* damn-near-perfect file compatibility, and this is a perfect example of a place where OO can't properly handle MS Word files.

Features like this are totally meaningless and invisible to "home users" and "vocal OO advocates", but are a day-to-day "ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE" to many workplace users.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

mspohr (589790) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274520)

Yes, OO.org supports track changes nicely. I regularly exchange documents working with others using track changes and never a problem.

OTOH, good old MS Word often has problems sharing files from one version to another (particularly backwards compatibility). I've used OO.org to straighten out these problems more than once.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

RiskyChris (999242) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274106)

How is it sad that the students are so clueless? That reads like an attack on their intelligence or awareness. They think they need MS Office because it is far and away the #1 suite for writing papers, organizing data, etc.

Rather the attacks should be at the general problem that OO hasn't gained enough public attention.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

Verte (1053342) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274274)

Or no office. Unless you're doing accounting or something, who needs word, powerpoint or excel? And who would pay $75 for stuff like that anyway? LaTeX doesn't do spreadsheets, but it makes powerpoint look oh-so 1995.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274376)

Unless you're doing accounting or something, who needs word, powerpoint or excel?

Excel is fine for making graphs. There are other tools, but spreadsheets are the easiest to use, give you interactivity, etc.

LaTeX doesn't do spreadsheets, but it makes powerpoint look oh-so 1995.

LaTeX won't do animations (judiciously used, they CAN rather enhance a presentation even if 95% of the time IRL it's completely gratuitous), and it takes longer to make presentations look *good*. Don't get me wrong; I used LaTeX+Beamer for my last big presentation, and it looks pretty good because of it, but it took quite some time to do.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

Slashamatic (553801) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274330)

I know someone studying languages at a university, i.e. not a technical department.

The presentations are made from a university PC with PowerPoint. Unfortunately OO's equivalent, Impress, is mostly compatible but some bugs remain with the special effects when written in PP format. Ok, maybe this person shouldn't use so many transition effects, but that is unfortunately the norm in that class.

They have to use a translation tool which they are given a free license to. It doesn't seem much better than OmegaT but unlike OmegaT it insists on plugging into Word (and won't play with Writer).

The end result is that this person is being forced into using MS when for the functionality, OO would be fine.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

Tim_UWA (1015591) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274336)

Unfortunately Openoffice.org doesn't have the data analysis capabilities that Excel has in the data analysis pack, so I had to install Crossover for Excel XP.

Re:But the sad thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274368)

I've used OpenOffice for a while, and while it's good enough for some things, I wouldn't like to use it as my permanent office suite. It seems slow, unresponsive and bloated in many ways. It's the best of the free bunch, but certainly not the best. Can come in useful at times though (DOC->PDF creation, converting between long dead MS formats). And I prefer Abiword to OO.org Writer anyhow.

Re:But the sad thing is... (1)

zoney_ie (740061) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274560)

Microsoft Office is not worth the normal retail price, but OpenOffice is just a (pretty good) imitation that isn't as convenient when dealing with documents authored in MS Office. If both were free, I see no reason other than ideology for ordinary users to choose OpenOffice.

There's a similar offer for students in Ireland. €98 for full version of MS Office Pro 2007 is worth it.

75 AUS$ is even more of a pittance - that's like what, €10? ;)

P.S. WHEN WILL SLASHDOT ALLOW DIRECT INPUT OF EURO SYMBOL INTO POSTS?! This is 2007!

hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274018)

Slashdot makes me feel like I'm playing Diablo online again.

The first one is free... (2, Funny)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274028)

..or massively discounted.

But you pay the full whack for the rest, sonny boy.

Is is just me or have I seem the same tactic used to get people hooked on recreational pharmaceuticals?

--------------
Dirty pool, old man. Never again!

Re:The first one is free... (1)

Morsleyg (996653) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274096)

But you pay the full whack for the rest, sonny boy.

Is is just me or have I seem the same tactic used to get people hooked on recreational pharmaceuticals?
What do you mean?

$75 covers the entire Office 2007 suite, an unlimited licence.
I bought mine yesterday, and the only thing different from the Office 2007 Ultimate retail package (which retails for around $1050AU) is that you dont get a fancy retail box or any install media (its a digital download from either Microsoft themselves, or Australia's highspeed university network).

Microsoft are giving us poor university students a bit of a break on software that is normally completely unaffordable for us, and i say more companies should take a leaf for their book.

Re:The first one is free... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274182)

Microsoft are giving us poor university students a bit of a break on software that is normally completely unaffordable for us, and i say more companies should take a leaf for their book.

A guy I worked with last year enrolled at a part time course at Swinburne, bought Academic Office, and dropped out after one week. He got most of his fee back.

ebay (1)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274202)

OK, now we should see Australian university email IDs going on sale in eBay just for this purpose. Just like the original GMail IDs went...
Am willing to pay $50 (AUD).

Re:ebay (1)

kingturkey (930819) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274374)

Who in their right mind would sell their University email address and password on eBay? When you purchase it from their website they email you the download link along with a CD Key. I'd imagine at most universities, and at least at The University of Queensland, your email address/student number and password are the same for a whole host of pages, including the service that you would use to enroll, unenroll and change courses. Who would give someone else control over their enrollment for a mere $50?

Re:ebay (1)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274430)

No, you don't get me. Am not asking for access to the ID. Am saying we make an agreement, where the student buys the office on the actual buyer's behalf and forwards the mail to the buyer when he recieves it.
Of course it requires some trust too on both guys behalf. Either the student can run away with the copy and refuse to forward the License, or the buyer may refuse to pay the student $50 (negotiable)...

Re:The first one is free... (2, Insightful)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274204)

and i say more companies should take a leaf for their book. ... and put a 2000% markup on their products? That's assuming it actually cost MS around $50/sale to develop, which I highly doubt. Seriously, how can anyone contemplate paying over $1000 for an OFFICE SUITE that's not even that much better than numerous other ones out there (Office 2003 included)?

No, sorry, you're wrong. More companies should NOT take a leaf out of MS's ultra-profiteering monopolistic exploitative book. Just because they're selling it to you for a less ridiculous profit doesn't make them heroes.

Re:The first one is free... (2, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274262)

us poor university students...

Use OSS tools. They're free, cost you poor poor students nothing.

Besides academic papers should be done in TeX unless you're one of them polysci wannabe students, then just muddle your way through with notepad because you don't have anything useful to say anyways :-)

Honestly, I hate comments like yours. OMG what can we do as poor students, oh thank you MSFT for saving us ... bullshit. Fedora Core + OpenOffice == free. Or Gentoo + whatever or *BSD + whatever or ...There are ways of getting most [if not all] the tools you'll need for free and libre from an OSS distribution. Just takes effort.

Tom

Re:The first one is free... (3, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274394)

"Honestly, I hate comments like yours. "

The comments that are worse than that come from students pirating software saying that they're "sticking it to The Man." No, they're not sticking it to The Man. They're doing exactly what The Man wants, because....

"As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." - Bill Gates, about Chinese software piracy. Thing is, that quote is also applicable to students, just end the sentence with "and then we will collect after they graduate"

This "we're letting you license Office Ultimate for $25AU/year" is a price just slightly above outright software piracy, and maybe even cheaper than buying a burned set of disks from the "dorm software dealer." Hook 'em while they're young.

--
BMO

Re:The first one is free... (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274104)

"Is is just me or have I seem the same tactic used to get people hooked on recreational pharmaceuticals?"

It's not a coincidence that the consumers of such stuff are called "users."

From the freakin' promo site:

"ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MENTION THE WORD 'OFFICE' AND THE LINK 'WWW.ITSNOTCHEATING.COM.AU' IN YOUR BLOG. WINNER IS JUDGED ON CREATIVITY OF THE STORY."

*head asplodes* Yeah, "astroturf for us, not even for pay, please, and you _might_ get a cheap prize." The whole promo site is mentally insulting.

--
BMO

Re:The first one is free... (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274212)

A cheap prize? The offer of Office for $75AU is good to all Australian Uni students. The blog thing is essentially a free prize draw, to win a scooter, laptop, etc. I don't see that it's any different to the competitions where you mail in a card, finishing off a sentence (e.g. "Microsoft Office is great because...") in X words or less. The only difference is it's longer and public.

Seriously, I don't really see what your problem is; sure the site sucks to my eyes, but I'm not an Aussie student, maybe it's appropriate for the target demographic. Apart from that, what is the problem?

Re:The first one is free... (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274296)

"The blog thing is essentially a free prize draw, to win a scooter, laptop, etc. I don't see that it's any different to the competitions where you mail in a card, finishing off a sentence (e.g. "Microsoft Office is great because...") in X words or less."

Because they encourage you to not just write an essay about how Microsoft Office is so great, but they want you to do their marketing for them. For free. If you generate a long thread that got started with the magic words, you MIGHT win a chance at a scooter.

Yeah, that's what we need, more advertising, this time by suckered students.

"The only difference is it's longer and public."

You forgot: "And annoys everyone around"

--
BMO

$1500 ? (4, Insightful)

Zork the Almighty (599344) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274050)

95% off ? Does Microsoft actually sell any single license for Office to anyone at ~$1500 US ?

Re:$1500 ? (1)

zakeria (1031430) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274084)

yes to americans

Re:$1500 ? (0, Redundant)

Gumph (706694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274206)

RTFS - it's 75 Australian dollars!

Re:$1500 ? (1)

zakeria (1031430) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274310)

? thats obvious ? did I miss your point?

Re:$1500 ? (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274496)

It's Australian dollars, but even so, the short answer is almost certainly "no".

By the time business becomes large enough to warrant the attention of the BSA, it's large enough to qualify for "volume discounts" - which are generally some absurd percentage. I'm paying about UK£120/annum for Office and I'm only buying 50 licenses. The "official" UK retail price is about UK£400 - that's if you go down the store and buy a boxed copy.

I think the logic is "we don't expect to sell a single copy at the full price, but it means that we can make it look like a bargain with generous discounts and if we take them to court, we demand full price for every copy".

Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274072)

MS and other commercial software vendors have always heavily discounted their products at college stores. My school sold Visual Studio Pro for $99 when it was retailing for $500+. So they increased the discount... so what? They want college students to use their software so the students will get used to it and continue using it (and paying the much higher price) after they graduate. This is their most fruitful target demographic in the long run. They would be stupid *not* to give a huge discount.

This is not only a dup, but a DUH.

That's what it should cost. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274092)

$75 sounds like a very reasonable price. That's what it should have cost in the first place!

Actually not the best deal... (2, Informative)

F-3582 (996772) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274094)

...you know, there is a computer education program for school teachers by Intel [intel.com] which certainly exists in other countries, too. Participating nets you a free copy of Microsoft Office (a few years ago this was Office 2000 Premium) under some special license. Actually it is no license at all, because the package says "Non-licensed software! Don't use without separate license by Microsoft!"

Re:Actually not the best deal... (1)

deadphoenix (929495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274416)

Thanks to the MSDN Academic Alliance, I am enjoying a free copy of Vista Business through my university. I can also get free licenses for other Microsoft software titles, including office. Where's the article on that? UK Student gets 100% off!

Perceived value (2, Interesting)

wall0159 (881759) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274112)


I guess it's all about how people think about that cost. Many people would say "$75! And every one else has to pay hundreds! It's a bargain!"

Whereas I'd say, "it's $75 more than OO, and it doesn't even run natively on my OS - what a piece of crap!!"

Re:Perceived value (1)

Adrian Galley (877772) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274220)

Or most would say, "It's $75 more than the copy my friend's Dad got from his work or what I could download it for - what a rip off!"

If the ultimate edition... (5, Insightful)

dragonquest (1003473) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274118)

If the Ultimate Edition is being given away so cheap to students, why the hell did they ever came up with the Student Edition minus the frills? Which notably, costs more than the discounted Ultimate Edition for students.

Re:If the ultimate edition... (1)

mikkelm (1000451) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274146)

"VERY LIMITED OFFER"

Re:If the ultimate edition... (1)

will_die (586523) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274516)

Because most of the time your university has to do a special deal with microsoft to all the students to get this version.
The company I work for has a similar deal with microsoft were we get microsoft 2007 enterprise for home use for $20US.
Most of the time theses deals require that you have a licensed copy at work/school machines and you are only authorized to use them during the time you goto that school or work for that company.

Ethics (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274126)

M$FT: The same ethics as a heroine dealer at a school yard: just get them hooked young and let them suffer later!

Ethics? more like same old business tactics. (1)

Spaceball_3000 (807716) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274350)

Companies been doing this for years, I remember back in 1993 Apple giving away complete systems with applications suite to the whole elementary school back in my home town (one for every class and a computer lab), yet Apple would charge the high school $ for the same hardware/software. So do you think Apple would fall into this same Ethics as MSFT?

Re:Ethics? more like same old business tactics. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274454)

So do you think Apple would fall into this same Ethics as MSFT?

Why are you assuming the parent to your post is a mac fanboy? Personally, probably like the parent, I think both companies have no morals.

In fact I don't believe any companies have morals, which is why we should have governments that watch them like hawks, instead of pandering to their every whim.

Re:Ethics (5, Funny)

Skrynesaver (994435) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274580)

The same ethics as a heroine dealer at a school yard:

Psst wanna buy a bit of Jane Eyre, into something a bit harder, I've got Ripley here, try her and tell me what you think

Re:Ethics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274770)

Are you saying that microsoft software is as addictive as heroine?
If so, is linux and open office the naltrexone and methadone?

NIGGA PLEASE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274158)

Again?

Awesome... at 190% off, Microsoft is now paying me to use their software.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274176)

I've read stories covered months or even years earlier, but this one takes the cake.
It took a total of 2 days for this story to get re-posted. Astonishing.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/06/174023 4 [slashdot.org]

What about us? (2, Interesting)

AlphaLop (930759) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274186)

And where is the discounted version for American students?

I had to pay full price for a copy recently for my wife as it was a requirement of the last class she needs for her first degree.... We are far from rich and the fact that we are trying to get her through college without racking up student loan debt means that this was our "Major" purchase for this half of the year ;)

We use open office at home so it actually caused me physical pain to have to purchase another Microsoft product :)

Re:What about us? (2, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274232)

And where is the discounted version for American students?

I have to say I am surprised. Here in AU the uni bookshops and normal software shops have always been loaded with cheap "Academic" versions of major software. You just need a student ID to buy it, even off campus.

I always assumed it was a way for the publisher to lock people in early. I am surprised they don't do it in the states.

Re:What about us? (1)

Fred Ferrigno (122319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274364)

I think it may have ended, but when I was at college, I got full copies of Windows, Visual Studio, and Office for less than $15 each. The fees were for the CDs and shipping from Microsoft. If you didn't care about having the media, you could borrow the CDs from the library, get a product key from Microsoft's website and pay nothing.

The retarded thing is that the school bookstore still sold the stuff at full price (actually, at a small "academic" discount price). They really didn't advertise the program at all. I only found out about in my senior year if I remember correctly.

Re:What about us? (1)

lmcplatte (723142) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274720)

Yeah, I went to a large state school recently, and we had full downloads of lots of software, including Office, for free. I believe I bought the CD of Windows XP Professional for $5 from the bookstore. They make you sign an agreement to delete the software after you're no longer a student. I'm sure that's common.

Australians! Don't do it! (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274254)

It's a trap! For $75, you can buy enough beer to drink while you install Linux (actually if you choose Debian, the minimum total beer cost of install is merely $34.68, other distros may vary), then after that you have an equivalent computer system _and_ you'll be in a good mood for days.

what about free beer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274342)

...so what's with all the 'free as in beer' talk?

Do I smell a rat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274280)

I am sensing funding from Micro$oft to repost the story...

News? (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274288)

Why is this news? You can get most software cheep when you are a student, after all they want you to familiarize yourself with their product before you start on your career.

Here at DIKU (Denmark), we got MSDNAA so I can grab everything sans office for free. And if you like me happen to be employed at the university they got campus license for employees which means office is free.

 

Re:News? (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274322)

we got MSDNAA

Whats that? The Danish equivalent of the GNAA?

Yes, I did google and find out what it really stood for.

Re:News? (1)

zakeria (1031430) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274352)

indeed but no student could possibly fork out $75 of their drug money to buy this!

Here in Amerika we got GNAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274418)

and we get grabs for free

Re:News? (1)

Gabest (852807) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274660)

Same here in Hungary, you can get windows, office and visual studio for about $25 if you are a student or teacher. The catch is the govement has pre-payed it to MS...

Limited installations (4, Insightful)

om3ga (675900) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274300)

I thought I'd point out a few things that were mentioned on the article [slashdot.org] from a few days ago:

- This ultimate edition thats available through this offer is limited to installation on one PC, vs installation on three PCs available to those who buy the student edition (around $249AU)
- You don't get the CDs with the offer, but can download it, or get a disc from a participating university (I didn't check if it was just a burnt copy or a nicely labeled pressed disc). I'd pay $75 if OpenOffice came in such a fancy box!

I was one button away from purchasing it, until I realized how unnecessary it is for me. I use OpenOffice for my university studies, it opens every word document and PowerPoint presentation thats given to us from the Lecturers. I'm not sure how it is for other things. But for those of you who think this is a good deal, please consider, or atleast try OpenOffice [openoffice.org] first!

Re:Limited installations (1)

lioncoeur (955084) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274466)

This ultimate edition thats available through this offer is limited to installation on one PC, vs installation on three PCs available to those who buy the student edition (around $249AU)
Wait a minute... When did they start dictating how many computers you can install software on? Oh, right. It's the 21st Century. I'll go back to my Boulderdash now and pretend all this is just a nightmare.

5% of the retail price is better than nothing... (1)

m487396 (807861) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274308)

... which is what Microsoft earns from a pirated copy. At least this way at least some students will actually pay something for their copy.

Microsoft Office 2007 Ultimate Edition (4, Funny)

BillGatesLoveChild (1046184) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274370)

If it is "Ultimate" does that mean there will be no further releases?

Re: Microsoft Office 2007 Ultimate Edition (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274566)

I think it's more along the lines of 'Final' as in Final Fantasy.

Always Been Cheap (1)

Slashdotgirl (912338) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274392)

Microsoft Office has been massively discounting Microsoft Office for University students for years in Australia. I should know, I brought a student version of Microsoft Office 97 for around A$100 and the retail cost was anywhere from A$600 to A$800 dollars at the time. I still have the program and its still going strong.

Discounted software (2, Interesting)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274400)

Funny how often the US gets to bear the brunt of development costs while the rest of the world gets deep discounts. It's not just software but drugs as well. Even Canada gets radically cheaper drug prices than the US. Part of it is government policies but the bulk is corporate america bleeding the US dry then discounting the rest of the world. Interesting that some drugs can be sold for a few dollars a dose at a profit overseas and yet sell for tens of dollars here. Microsoft can count on the US to pay for the development costs so the rest of the world is gravy. Europe doesn't see the software discounts generally but a lot of the world does. I'm sure Microsoft is claiming hundreds of millions to perhaps billions in developing Vista but we pay for that development in higher software prices. In this case we aren't getting much for our money. The added security seems to come with a high anoyance factor and the eye candie we can live without. Direct X10 sounds impressive but do we really need a whole new OS to run it? There are some definate improvements in memory limits and such but we pay for it in radically greater system requirements. The low end computer manufactures are likely going to be stuck with Linux since the system requirements are so high. Ironically that will come back to bite Microsoft because more and more entry level users will become in exposed to Linux. They may be trying to avoid that with the foreign markets because people are going to be less inclined to pay both the high OS and hardware costs. Give the students cheap OSs then hopefully they stay branded to Microsoft.

Re:Discounted software (2, Informative)

EvanED (569694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274472)

Funny how often the US gets to bear the brunt of development costs while the rest of the world gets deep discounts

I can download, free of charge, any of the following products:
MapPoint 2004
OneNote 2003
Project 2002 and 2003
Virtual PC 2004
Vision 2002 and 2003
Visual Studio 6, .NET 2003, and .NET 2005 (and the MSDN library)
Windows Vista Business, XP Professional, and Server 2003 Enterprise

For free, legally. Other university departments have SQL Server, Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise, Access 2007, and others.

It's not just other countries getting the discounts. The *student* part is much more important.

Re:Discounted software; yeah, oh yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18274524)

OMG, just think about it, those poor people might get exposed to the disgusting commie linux shit. That'd be fucking awful. Yech!

Let's pray to god they too end up good honest microsoft bitches.

Everybody and their dog knows that Linux is for the godless commie fuckers running 386s.

Re:Discounted software (1)

and235100 (1008257) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274604)

"the rest of the world gets deep discounts" Try living in Europe then - we never get "deep discounts" - we in the UK pay the same in £££ as people in the US pay in $$$ for the majority of Microsoft software...

Re:Discounted software (2, Informative)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274636)

Funny how often the US gets to bear the brunt of development costs while the rest of the world gets deep discounts.
Ha! You should live in the UK a bit my friend. They are so used to get raped on the ass by the prices that they lost the repulsion long ago.

The added security seems to come with a high anoyance factor
I have not tried Windows Vista, but for what I have read and saw, it seems to me the guys at Redmond chose the less-work way to add security. So, at the end they chose to leave security as a chose to the user (with the infamous accept or cancel hundreds of screens). I really hope this is what they only mean by improved security because it is exactly the same as it was in XP. Just with more questions to the users.

It seems to me that Microsoft made with Windows Vista what I did as a kid for my homework, they assign you a homework on Monday for the next Monday, and you do not do nothing until Sunday afternoon when you read about the assignment and realize you *need* more time to do some research on the subject (lets say that the homework was to ask several people what do they think about Coke) and you just try to write something that seems to be OK just to pass the mark.

But then again, looking back at the previous Windows releases, I remember when the Windows Millennium Edition was going to be released how it was supposed to have the NT kernel and to be more stable than anything else but oh fiasco, it was Win98 with a new desktop background. And then Win2000 came out for the servers without any further and after that WindowsXP which again was Win2000 with Internet Explorer and pretty themes.

Fucking hardware manufacturers PROVIDE LINUX DRIVERS!!!! we do not care if they are closed!

Re:Discounted software (1, Funny)

adolf (21054) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274664)

Hello. I read your comment.

Twice.

I still don't get your point.

Are you trying to add to the conversation in some fashion?

If so, please clarify.

Thanks!

Re:Discounted software (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274662)

This is a short term special, not the permanent price.

Rest assured, the rest of the world pays through the nose for US-developed software and hardware. You're absolutely not subsidising us.

Could it be (1)

salesgeek (263995) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274424)

Microsoft is lowering the price because Open Office is a much better fit for the college student budget? Or maybe that Google Apps stuff... No.. couldn't be that at all...

Re:Could it be (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274486)

This deal ended at the very beginning of my freshman year of undergrad, but I got Office 2002, VS .NET 2002, Frontpage, and Windows XP for free.

MS being "generous" to college kids isn't a new thing. They try to hook us young.

100% off with OpenOffice! (1)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274506)

That'd be better by far.

First one's always free (2, Insightful)

Grail (18233) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274594)

And then when the discount "Office Ultimate" software decides to lock you out of your Office documents, you have to pay the full price plus the unlocking fee.

Read the EULA. Understand about DRM, and Microsoft's plans for the future. ORCON is fine and dandy until you realise that the provider of the control mechanisms is the real owner of the document.

This FUD brought to you by the number 51 and a Tin Foil Hat.

Not if you use a Mac (1)

curmi (205804) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274602)

If you are an Aussie kid with a Mac, too bad. The Microsoft offer is only on the *windows* version of office. That will teach those free thinking uni students!

Same as in The Netherlands (nothing new) (1)

Arleo (16712) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274648)

What's new? Same kind of prices are accounted to students and teachers in The Netherlands. We can buy Office, XP, Vista, Visio, Project planner for similar prices. I cannot imagine that other countries do not have deals like this. So what's the news?

Arleo

It is a cool advertisement (1)

LittleBigScript (618162) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274696)

The sleezy guy with a scooter, pocketpc phone, and a vista laptop. I am so glad I just graduated from college.

College students can't afford that. (1)

jonadab (583620) | more than 7 years ago | (#18274768)

I don't care *how* much below retail price it is, I would never have been able to scrape together $75 for software when I was in college. The people in the financial aid department have this down to a science: they figure out *exactly* how much money you and your parents can possibly scrape together if you run the full gamut of funding sources, and they offer you *precisely* the amount of financial aid that makes it just *almost* possible for you to attend, so tantalizingly close to enough that you go ahead and sign up for classes.

Then you find out how much your books are, try to buy them used, and discover the publisher changed editions on half of them, so you scrape the bottom of the barrel getting the last of your books, and you've got about $10 left to get you through the semester. Your meals are covered by the room and board fees, so you figure if you don't buy anything else the $10 will just about stretch to cover doing your laundry in the coinfed machines in the dorm lounge. You'll have to let your car sit in the dorm parking lot all year for lack of gas, but you can walk around campus. I guess you'll make it.

Then a group of guys approaches you about buying a $7 dorm shirt, and you start calculating how many times you can get mom and dad to come pick you up, so you can get home for a visit and do laundry for free, without buying any gas. Then you start figuring out exactly how many times you can wear each article of clothing, and how many you have, and exactly how many weeks that means you can go without doing laundry. Can you make it from fall break to Christmas? That would save you almost two dollars in quarters...

There's no way that kind of budget will stretch to cover $75 for office software, no matter *how* much they say it's theoretically worth at retail. Okay, yeah, so 75 Australian dollars is less than $75, but still, it's not enough less to fit into a college student budget.
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