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Prescription Meds For Vista Sleep Disorder

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the you-will-sleep-now-and-when-you-wake dept.

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Arnold O'Connor writes "NeoSmart Technologies has compiled a list of hotfixes and patches provided by Microsoft for Windows Vista that address a large number of issues related to waking/resuming a Vista PC (both x86 and x64) from sleep or hibernation. Sleep-related disorders have plagued Vista since its release, though they were not present in earlier betas. Most of these fixes are due to be included in Windows Vista SP1 — codenamed Fiji."

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Ah! (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 7 years ago | (#18306910)

And you thought saying "Windoze" was a stale joke...

Yes! (0, Offtopic)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307476)

Zombie [slashdot.org] has new life too. These issues will never go away, will they?

Re:Yes! (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308630)

Not while people are using computers, no.

In other words, nice try at a pretence that the article you linked to labels Vista machines as being part of botnets - in fact, the article itself was up on Slashdot before Vista was even released.

Lies, lies, and more lies. Tragic, really.

Re:Ah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18309160)

Yes, but doesn't this article have anything to do with "windows" "dozing" ??

I'm not going to be an early-adopter lemming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18306964)

Most of the fixes? How about all of them please!

I'm not even considering jumping ship to Vista until the first SP is out (XP works beautifully for me).

I just think that's the smart way to play it. And I'll happily dual-boot for my Linux lovin.

Re:I'm not going to be an early-adopter lemming (4, Insightful)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307334)

I'm not even considering jumping ship to Vista until the first SP is out (XP works beautifully for me).

Exactly the same. Especially since IE7 is more or less the same for me as a webdev, I can test all of my stuff on XP.

And we gotta realize: early adotpers always get stuffed with higher prices and lower quality. It's just the way things are, even if the product is developed under most stringent quality requirements, a bunch of undetected defects will be known soon after a wide launch.

The only thing that bothers me here is that on many consumer offers, companies FORCE you to get OEM Vista with a new PC. This early after launch, and with so many known flaws, how could you possibly require your customers to buy Vista PC when XP is much better right now?!

Do you have such experiences yourself? How easy it is to get a "downgrade" and in which hardware vendors it's easiest to do so?

Re:I'm not going to be an early-adopter lemming (1, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307572)

2000 used to work beautifully for me, I never considered to jump the ship to XP. Then I had to buy a laptop (from Dell)... Your turn will come. I installed a debian on it but still, somewhere in the price, I have bought XP somewhere.

Re:I'm not going to be an early-adopter lemming (1)

Phantombrain (964010) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308118)

I'm one of those people who bought a laptop with Vista preloaded and I haven't had any problems. At all.
I haven't had any sleep issues, a couple programs I use aren't compatible, but nothing big. The only time I have seen a BSOD is in my screensaver [microsoft.com] .

I'm not Microsoft fanboy, but it seems pretty stable for my use.

x64? (-1, Troll)

Atmchicago (555403) | more than 7 years ago | (#18306966)

There is no such thing as "x64." Please quit butchering the use of computer terminology. You might think slashdot editors could catch something like that.

Re:x64? (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 7 years ago | (#18306992)

x64 is Microsoft's term for the similar, and mostly compatible, 64-bit extensions in AMD and Intel processors. In this case, the usage is completely correct.

Re:x64? (1)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308690)

x64 is an industry-common term for AMD's 64-bit processor architecture extensions. Nobody, including Microsoft, refers to Intel architecture as x64.

Re:x64? (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308920)

Then why is Windows XP for Intel and AMD 64-bit machines called "Windows XP x64 Edition"?

Re:x64? (1)

|Cozmo| (20603) | more than 7 years ago | (#18310014)

Unfortunately you are wrong. MS refers to the AMD and Intel 64bit architecture with the same name. In fact they also call it amd64 since AMD did it first, despite those binaries also running in the intel 64 bit systems.

GO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKTARD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18310140)

nt

Re:x64? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18306994)

Yes, that's a typo. It should be c64.

Re:x64? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18307022)

x64 is a widely used abbreviation by both user and technology companies. It has essentially become the official way to refer to 64 bit software on a brandless 64 bit x86 platform. You should get used to it. (Unless, of course, you really like whining about it.)

Re:x64? (3, Informative)

cibyr (898667) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307028)

It's a useful abbreviation for x86-64. Get over it.

Re:x64? (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307094)

There is no such thing as "x64." Please quit butchering the use of computer terminology.

Are you retarded? x64 is the extremely important architecture from the early-mid sixties. It wasn't replaced until the x86 architecture in the mid to late 80s.

Re:x64? (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307282)

There's no such thing as a lot of things, yet we still the word to describe it. I for one had absolutely no trouble understanding what the poster was referring to. To put it another way: if it didn't mean that before, it does now.

Problems? (1, Informative)

TomOfWight (927955) | more than 7 years ago | (#18306970)

I've been using Vista on 3 very different pcs for quite some time now, a desktop, a new laptop and an 18 month old laptop, and I've yet to have any problems with putting any of them into sleep mode and then waking them up again. Now I may have been exceptionally lucky, but I doubt it. Vista FUD is already getting old.

Re:Problems? (2, Insightful)

sirf (799191) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307012)

I've never been in a car accident and neither have any of my friends as far as I know, but I still don't doubt their existence. Requiring seat belts is pure FUD.

Re:Problems? (2, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307096)

Bad analogy. A better one would be a comparison to car recalls. There are two pending for mine but I haven't had the problem (they are minor ones, nothing saftey related)so I keep putting it off. That doesn't mean the design problem doesn't exist; just that it hasn't affected me.

Re:Problems? (0, Troll)

jrockway (229604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307272)

> doesn't mean the design problem doesn't exist; just that it hasn't affected me.

Hey, I think I see you outside -- in a body bag.

Re:Problems? (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307388)

I guess you missed the part about them not being safety related. One is for the seat heater, the other the rear door lock, and neither problem is present in my car. Nice try, better luck next time!

Re:Problems? (2, Interesting)

TomOfWight (927955) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307210)

I'm not doubting the existence of a problem, I'm doubting its prevalence.

Re:Problems? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308540)

I'm not doubting the existence of a problem, I'm doubting its prevalence.

Based on how many samples? If a smoker lives to his nineties, and some of them do, will that prove there are no links between smoking and cancer?

Re:Problems? (1)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308898)

Given that I'm the center of the universe, anything that isn't obvious from my personal experience... well, I'll allow that it might exist, but it obviously can't be very prevalent. ;)

Re:Problems? (2, Interesting)

eli pabst (948845) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307150)

How is it FUD if Microsoft is issuing patches for it?

Re:Problems? (2, Interesting)

TomOfWight (927955) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307176)

The implication is that it's a far more widespread problem than it is.

Implication? (2, Insightful)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307530)

The implication is that it's a far more widespread problem than it is.

I don't know why anyone would think a problem would be common in a monoculture OS, do you?

You're right about it not being widespread. Vista's not selling. How's that for FUD?

There's a massive conspiracy to not purchase Vista! It's kind of like the one I launched against SCO, the infamous Distributed Lack of Purchasing (DLoP) attack. It's all the FUDster's fault. It has nothing to do with the thing taking six years to get here and sucking on arrival. You know, people having done just fine without it for the better part of a decade thinking they don't need a DRM downgrade. No, it's just the wingnuts keeping the man down.

Re:Problems? (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307528)

Well if you were running Vista, I dare say right now, you would have a certain measure of fear in using sleep, as a result of the uncertainty of your machine resuming and being in doubt as to whether unsaved open documents would be available upon your return, there you go, FUD, is just the natural of using any Windows (P)OS, made even worse if you read the warranty ;-))).

Re:Problems? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307534)

I've been using Vista on 3 very different pcs for quite some time now, a desktop, a new laptop and an 18 month old laptop, and I've yet to have any problems with putting any of them into sleep mode and then waking them up again. Now I may have been exceptionally lucky, but I doubt it. Vista FUD is already getting old.

This is the difference between anecdotal evidence and sampling all your customers. Noone is claiming Vista's sleep modes don't work anywhere, in fact, you can bet they were tested and confirmed working on lots of hardware.

For your new laptop, also the hardware vendor tested and it and confirmed it working before shipping laptops with Vista preinstalled. Vista's not locked to a few preselected hardware configs (as is Apple for example), so it's normal to find hardware not working fine with it.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case. Sleep modes are really complex beasts, and require perfect cooperation from all hardware devices and their drivers, or your PC will wake up in an non-equivalent and very likely unstable state.

Re:Problems? (1)

Wingsy (761354) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307630)

"...so it's normal to find hardware not working fine with it"

Couldn't help but to comment on this.

That one sentence is a prime example of a major difference between Windows and Mac users. It is seldom one finds a Mac user who expects stuff not to work properly, whereas I see many Windows users who have this same expectation of performance. I don't understand how one can just casually expect their OS to not work.

Re:Problems? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307690)

How about you reread the post you replied to, where I addressed how Apple can pull this off (and why it's a non-achievement).

Re:Problems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18308886)

Just because there is a reason why doesn't really address the much lower consumer expectations of those who buy windows. There's not many areas in our lives where we're willing to continue to shell out good money for broken features. Have they fixed the activation issues yet?

Re:Problems? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18309122)

Just because there is a reason why doesn't really address the much lower consumer expectations of those who buy windows.

Can you define "much lower expectations"? We're talking about installing Windows on a possibly unsupported/untested configuration. Noone expects your laptop with preinstalled Vista by the manifacturer to hang.

What happens if you try to install OSX on a random self-assembled hardware? Oh yea, it won't even install, license restrictions. Hurray for the much higher expectations.

Re:Problems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18308572)

I have never met a Windows user who expects their OS not to work. I have not seen a BSOD, encountered a critical show-stopping error, or had any significant negative experiences in the entire time I have owned the computer that I am writing this article on. The same can be said of my work PC. Strangely, the same can not be said of my co-workers Mac, which has crashed without warning twice in the past year and once randomly switched to network boot mode without provocation. Either way, it doesn't matter. In spite of what the PC vs Mac ads (and any Mac fanboy) might have you believe, PCs don't crash every other day and in spite of what any rabid anti-Apple user might tell you, Macs can be a very enjoyable tool to use. That's why we have competitiors! So you, the consumer, can make your own decision!

Re:Problems? (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307612)

First of all, I listen to FUD but never really pay attention to it.
Secondly, I hold the Mac and it's awake from sleep mode in less than 2 seconds as the pinnacle of what it should be.
Third, I've read that Vista does this in it's RTM version.
Fourth, It's a blatant lie from Microsoft or whatever review junket that spewed the lie as I've had the displeasure of having to turn off the sleep function on an 2 week old Dell as 3 and a half minutes is way too long to awake from sleep.

I already know Microsoft is crap. Normal consumers have already been past the 'fool me twice' yet Microsoft can still get away with peddling crap so they continue to do it.

Re:Problems? (1)

VertigoAce (257771) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308670)

I used to run Linux on my laptop (an IBM T40). When every distro I tried (Ubuntu, Fedora, Gentoo) had a kernel panic upon resuming from sleep, I gave up. From everything I read about this problem, power management is pretty delicate. Even if it works on one person's hardware it might have problems on a nearly identical computer. Apple has a huge advantage over Microsoft and the Linux community in that their testing can cover every hardware configuration that consumers can buy.

As for your problem with a slow wake-up from sleep mode (mine is in the 1-2 seconds range on Vista), did you check to see if Vista was reporting driver or software issues that were causing problems?

From the Performance Information and Tools screen (the one with the Windows Experience Index scores), click on Advanced Tools on the left. At the top of the screen you may see a list of performance issues that Windows has detected. For more detailed information, try the "View performance details in the Event Log" tool. Glancing through the list, there's information on high disk usage, processes with larger than normal working sets, devices or drivers that are delaying boot/shutdown/sleep/resume operations, etc.

Re:Problems? (1)

Simulant (528590) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308528)

Well.... On 3 out of 4 desktop systems I've tried, power management, especially standby, is horribly broken. Standby worked fine under XP on all 4 systems.

Re:Problems? (1)

compgenius3 (726265) | more than 7 years ago | (#18309068)

My laptop has intermittent problems with going to sleep and then re-enabling the bluetooth card on wake-up. I suspect the bluetooth drivers. But it seems to be getting worse as time goes bye.

Re:Problems? (1)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 7 years ago | (#18309610)

Vista FUD is already getting old.

I can confirm this is not FUD and yes, you have been somewhat lucky. Lenovo/IBM ThinkPad R5x and T6x both exhibit problems with Vista sleep disorders. Even with the latest patches and bios updates the OS is very unstable after wake up from hibernation or sleep.

Lenovo has hinted that further Microsoft updates will be needed to Vista to make sleep/hibernation fully usable again.

I'm interested to know what kind of hardware are you using?

I know a good way how to fix this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18306980)

Switch from XP to Vista when it is necessary.

But since you already know that, I guess only early adopters who suffer from brand loyalty and, maybe, the urge to impress colleagues who must still work with the hopelessly outdated XP, have these problems.

How widespread? (4, Interesting)

Marbleless (640965) | more than 7 years ago | (#18306988)

I'd be interested to know how widespread these sleeping disorders are.

Our next generation of software is being tested under Vista and we have a number of dedicated test machines and dual boot development machines of different vintages. None of them have any problems at all with suspend or hibernate.

Just because there is a cure it doesn't mean that the problem affects everybody ... although I have had hypochondriac computers in the past ;)

Re:How widespread? (1)

eplawless (1003102) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307336)

I've got two computers running Vista Business with this problem. They used to hibernate fine, and boot back up in seconds... then arbitrarily one day they started taking 2 minutes to wake up, and were slow enough once they had that I was forced to just disable hibernation entirely. I know at least one other person who's had this happen. I don't know how widespread it is but it's happened to me twice and it's annoying as hell.

When will they learn. (5, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#18306996)

When will they learn that Microsoft has a very bad Beta Testing Routine.

First they have people pay them to be Beta Testers (for the privilege of being able to use the OS before the general public, and being those jerks who put 3 years of MS Vista experience on their resume). This doesn't attract people who want to thoroughly test the product, this only attracts people who think it is still the 1990s and wants to inflate their resume. So if they did report any bugs or problems it was probably for more minor things or the most major things. Sleep Problems are kinda in the middle annoying but not enough to put a bug report on.

Second poor response from my when bug testers do report a bug. Either they state that it isn't important or the conditions to get it are to off. In contrast I remember putting a bug in for Mozilla years back for an obscure problem on sizing the app across multiple displays of different resolutions. They weren't able to fix it quickly but they kept track of it until it was fixed.

Third Beta Testing is not used as much for Bug Testing but for product evaluation. It is used to see if the product is liked by the general population not as a method of fixing problems. This creates the problem 2 ways because Microsoft Beta Testers are of the following.
1. Love MS so much that they like everything that it does no matter how crappy it is, or make excuses for it problems (Don't get me wrong there are these type of people for every OS)

2. Wants to keep their Resume up to spec to keep in demand of stupid employers so they can have 3 years of Vista Experience. They don't want to report bugs or difficult to use problems because it gives them the advantage over people who just started using production Vista.

3. College Students/Professors mostly because they have extra time during the day to research these things. This group is most likely to report problems and give feedback. But that is only one segment of of the user base. And most college students and professors don't use the sleep options as much because they are on Campus which pays their electricity bills.

It works fine! (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308418)

From MS's point of view anyway. Just remember what MS is trying to achieve. They are not after perfection, they are just after having something that is good enough to make a sale. It does not have to work 100%.

MS had promised Vista in 2006 and many companies had put Vista buying in their 2006 budgets. Thus, MS had to ship something for these companies to buy in 2006. From the perspective of the customer companies, keeping the budget on track is far more of a deal than a few sleep problems. MS just had to ship something, anything, and it would be bought.

And sleep problems etc? Well you can just blame them on "driver problems" and make the hardware vendors take the heat.

Re:It works fine! (1)

doktor-hladnjak (650513) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308530)

From MS's point of view anyway. Just remember what MS is trying to achieve. They are not after perfection, they are just after having something that is good enough to make a sale. It does not have to work 100%.

Any serious software project cannot achieve 100% perfection. There's simply always another feature to add or a bug to fix. It's even more true for products like Windows which are so exceedingly complex that even small changes can be destabilizing. At a certain point, you have to choose keeping the bugs you know over those you don't know. You have to cut features you'd like to have but don't have time to code, test, document, etc.

Re:It works fine! (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308726)

True. But it is hard to believe that all the talent in MS could spend $5bn and come up with so little. It must be hard for the shareholders to think that Vista is a $5bn improvement to XP.

The biggest sale has to be to the shareholders not the customers.

Re:When will they learn. (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 7 years ago | (#18309510)

Fiji is an end-all fix to every problem anyone might have. Just keep the dream of Fiji alive and it will blur out the dull Vista experience, and somehow in the process make it bearable. Just as it did for Truman in The Truman Show.

Another MS OS, Commence Stream of Patches (1)

curmudgeon99 (1040054) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307002)

Doesn't this sound familiar? 1.) Microsoft releases "thorougly" QA'd OS. 2.) The Stready stream of patches, fixes, burps and other nonsense begins. 3.) Linux/Mac anyone?

Re:Another MS OS, Commence Stream of Patches (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307488)

While you can try to pry my powerbook away from me, Apple releases a steady stream of patches as well. Linux is constantly being updated as well.

The advantage to those, if you just need to update say your web browser, or music app, or other random file tool you don't have to reboot.

Only one hotfix needed (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18307008)

Get a Mac. How much more of this nonsense has to occur before people will finally change? Don't get me wrong - Macs are far from perfect. But, wow, what a difference in scale when it comes to Mac problems v. PC problems.

Re:Only one hotfix needed (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18307148)

My Macbook has sleep issues, if you plug the power in or unplug it while the lid is shut, it *sometimes* gets confused about wether the lid is open or shut; when you open the lid, the login prompt comes up and you can log in but you just get stuck at a black screen, to fix it you have to shut the lid until the power light pulsates and then open it and log in again. Its not a big thing, but unlike MS, Apple don't have the excuse of unknown configurations!

Re:Only one hotfix needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18307196)

Get a Mac. How much more of this nonsense has to occur before people will finally change? Don't get me wrong - Macs are far from perfect.

If perfection's what you want, try openBSD.

YOU DAMN IDIOT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18308124)

If perfection is what you want, learn where to use apostrophes, you illiterate fuck!

Re:YOU DAMN IDIOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18309838)

Eh? His/her use of the apostrophe is correct:

"If perfection's..."

Meaning

"If perfection is..."

Did you know that the apostrophe isn't solely for the possessive? You fat fuckpig.

Vista And The Hype (1, Insightful)

Sukhbir (961063) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307018)

Frankly speaking I still can't understand the hype behind Vista. I mean its OK. Nothing out of this world and definitely not WOW.

what hype? only hype is the /. vista-whining hype (0, Troll)

boombaard (1001577) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307170)

honestly, i hardly see any uncritical articles on vista anywhere.. where is this hype /. seems to feel the need to react against?

Sure, Straw Men are nice and easily torched, and i don't doubt my responding to this nonsense won't do a bit of good either, since another 400 articles on vista's issues will necessarily be popping up after this one..

But really, what's the point in writing hundreds of comments with exactly the same content over and over under every article uncritical /. editors let through, as long as it's critical of vista?

Re:what hype? only hype is the /. vista-whining hy (1)

AlphaLop (930759) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307290)

The point of writing hundreds of comments is that it is representational. If there are hundreds of people taking the time to write about the problems, then they must be pretty severe because I imagine only a small portion of people experiencing the problem would take the time out of their day to write about the issue, and an even smaller portion of them are reading and posting on /. so it must be a pretty common opinion that Vista is less then satisfactory....

This really helps the consumer because in all honesty, I really wanted vista to kick butt. I wanted to upgrade my gaming machine and buying vista was going to be my motivator to do it with my upcoming tax return. However after reading all the negative comments, both here and at other sites I have decided to put off both building a new machine and buying a copy of vista.

If there would of been only a couple of comments to this effect I would of probably already bought my copy...

Thank you ./ posters and keep up the constructive criticism of faulty products.

Re:what hype? only hype is the /. vista-whining hy (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307322)

Have you considered that the GP might be using rather subtle irony?

I for one thought it was mildly amusing.

Well, no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18308262)

World of Warcraft is a game, after all, not an operating system, even if most people spend most of their time in that environment.

pl0s 5, Troll) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18307034)

And mortifying moronic, dilettante FreeBSD core team FrreBSD at about 80 chronic abuse of But with NDetcraft else to be an schemes. Frankly Troubles of Walnut work that you culture of abuse tired arguments same year, BSD unpleasant

Vista... (1)

MoonSha (987605) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307036)

I was planning on updating once stories on major vista issues had subsided to an "XP" level. Any time soon?

They have a codename for Vista's SP1 already (2, Interesting)

AlanS2002 (580378) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307060)

Maybe it's just me, but I'd think that I didn't do enough testing on a product that already has a codename for it's SP1 within a few months of its release.

Re:They have a codename for Vista's SP1 already (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18307162)

It's just silly to call a service packs like Fiji, maybe better Somalia or Iraq

Re:They have a codename for Vista's SP1 already (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307284)

Maybe it is a back handed reference to the Apple Newton
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/02/ 1523238 [slashdot.org]

Re:They have a codename for Vista's SP1 already (1)

JDHannan (786636) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307522)

... Is that some sort of Fiji Newton joke? like Fig Newton??

Re:They have a codename for Vista's SP1 already (1)

mqudsi (1074334) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307218)

Actually.... It was codenamed even before Vista went RTM! Microsoft made the official statement a while afterwards, but within Microsoft and in the beta newsgroups, Fiji (Vista SP1/R2) was declared long before Vista hit build 6000.

Re:They have a codename for Vista's SP1 already (1)

AlanS2002 (580378) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307430)

Well to me that would make it doubly obvious that I needed to do more testing before I went Gold.

Re:They have a codename for Vista's SP1 already (1)

doktor-hladnjak (650513) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308568)

Of course it was. Microsoft has released SPs for all of their large pieces of software in recent history. It would be completely stupid to pretend that one wasn't going to come out for Vista. Hence, the planning. I don't think most slashdot readers understand how difficult it is to stabilize such a large, complex piece of software like Windows. It's just not possible to hold a release until "all the bugs are fixed" if you ever want it to be released.

Windows XP wasn't perfect either. (1)

CCFreak2K (930973) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307062)

While I can't say for sure how bad Windows Vista's sleep mode resuming is, I can say that standby issues aren't new [microsoft.com] .

Vista fried my harddisk while suspending (-1, Troll)

EdSchouten (786365) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307066)

I haven't used Windows lot lately, but when Vista got released I (legally) downloaded it from my school's website and installed it on my machine. I tinkered around with it. When I was done, I pressed Start -> Shutdown, which caused the machine to suspend. The machine immediately woke up when it entered its sleep. After a few seconds, smoke came out of my system and my only ATA disk in the machine caught fire. I suspect that the on-board JMicron ATA controller can't properly handle suspend actions... Well, never mind. I bought a new S-ATA 300 disk and now everything is connected to Intel ICH-8 stuff. Too bad Vista doesn't handle AHCI properly, because now my disks run at S-ATA 150 when I boot Linux/FreeBSD/whatever.

Turn on AHCI after installation (2, Informative)

EdSchouten (786365) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307126)

It seems you can enable msahci.sys after you've installed Vista: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976 [microsoft.com]

How can it be FUD.... (1)

mqudsi (1074334) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307184)

...If Microsoft has issued patches for these issues? I mean, dozens of knowledgebase entries, several hotfixes, and a SP1 on the way. Think about it, if it was FUD, would MS further engage in spreading the propaganda? It's real and MS obviously knows it - and hopefully they will fully address the issue too, because it's an important one, esp. with all the "green talk" that's going around.

FORMAT C: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18307360)

Windows Vista deserves the Final solution:

Format C:

or better yet:

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

1995 called (5, Funny)

eneville (745111) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307364)

... and they want their PNP problems back

Re:1995 called (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18308684)

When we can prove/disprove P = NP, Vistas bugs will be fixed- does that count?

Fiji is Vista SP1? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307502)

"Most of these fixes are due to be included in Windows Vista SP1 -- codenamed Fiji."

What are your sources that Fiji is the codename of Vista SP1 anyway? For what we know, Microsoft confirmed neither of those.

Re:Fiji is Vista SP1? (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308216)

oh lets see fi you ask the oracle of the penguins you get
Results 1 - 100 of about 9,100 for "windows vista sp1" fiji. (0.31 seconds)
and if you hit the first link you get this http://vistasp1.net/images/header.jpg [vistasp1.net] at the tops which states
Windows Vista SP1 codenamed Fiji preview and information center
so i would think that Fiji = windows vista sp1 is quite probable

Re:Fiji is Vista SP1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18308758)

You're citing http://www.vistasp1.net/ [vistasp1.net] as your source for this? It's a spam-bot page. Try again when you've found a reference on www.microsoft.com. Geez.

When will they fix the DRM bug? (3, Funny)

GuyverDH (232921) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307504)

ie - create the new DRM free Vista - they could call it the "Vista PUDRMFE" - Vista Penultimate Digital Rights Management Free Edition

Of course, they'll probably claim they can't take out the DRM because it's a crucial part of the operating system.

Hmmm - wonder how ReactOS is doing lately....

Re:When will they fix the DRM bug? (1)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307602)

ReactOS 0.3.1 has been "scheduled to be released within a week" for months now. Development is apparently still progressing; maybe they're just not concentrating on making a release.

Either way, it's unfortunately still a very long way off.

Haha (1)

boxxa (925862) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307508)

I remember seeing a presentation about Vista and its benefits before its release and the guy stated "Vista no longer has the sleep/suspend problems that hit some XP machines"

More Disorders (2, Funny)

pedramnavid (1069694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307536)

But what about Windows' narcolopsy problems? What will fix those?

Re:More Disorders (1)

ssintercept (843305) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308340)

Meth works wonders fer narcolepsy!

I'm so shocked (2, Interesting)

NXprime (573188) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307622)

Deep sleep/hibernate problems? Oh wow I didn't see this coming except for the RC1 release I tried and reviewed months ago. http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=209542&cid= 17088628 [slashdot.org]

What's odd is that none of those patches or things mentioned going wrong is what I was dealing with. I was getting the click of death from my hard drives until I rebooted the computer.

I guess I can see this as very unfinished hardware drivers but for something as serious as this, Vista should have never been released in this pitiful state.

Problems with Nvidia (1)

Nightspirit (846159) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307638)

Some of the problem seems to be with some nvidia cards. The forums are full of people with 7900s (although not all seem to be affected) having issues returning from sleep.

Standy Issues (1)

kilodelta (843627) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307680)

MS was supposed to have fixed Standby issues as of Windows XP. Nice to see where their priorities are, nothing like the Aero interface I suppose. In all honesty, I'm much more likely to move toward Ubuntu Beryl than Vista.

Probably not Microsofts fault (5, Interesting)

unoengborg (209251) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307740)

For once I'm not so sure we should blame Microsoft for all these sleep related problems. I would say hardware manufacturers is just as much to blame. They test their ACPI stuff and make sure it works in the current version of windows, and not that it follows the standard.

When Microsoft creates a new version of windows they most likely develop it to follow the ACPI standard. By doing so, the functionality may break on non compliant boxes, and Microsoft will have to go back to add quirks to make it work.

Being the dominant OS vender, Microsoft at usually manage to get full specs to the failing devices, and have a fair chance of compensate for the errors in the hardware and BIOS.
Developers of other less common OSes, such as Linux may not be that lucky. So I really wish Microsoft hadn't bothered to fix this, unless of course they really are the ones that are responsible for this screw up, and left it to the hardware vendors. That way it would be easier for all OS vendors, including Microsoft, in the long run.

Historical Perspective (1)

rueger (210566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307786)

Yeesh - has there ever been a version of Windows that handled this well? I can't recall one that didn't have off and on problems, especially on laptops.

Despite the many irritations that my Mac brought with it, this one thing that it does extremely well.

Re:Historical Perspective (1)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 7 years ago | (#18308662)

My thoughts exactly. Mind you, the ACPI standard still hasn't actually stabilised--the last update to it was in October (after seven years!).

Still, I would assume backwards compatibility. No scratch that--I would expect it, but wouldn't count on it.

Comatose? (1)

wumpus188 (657540) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307796)

Maybe it's time to turn of the life support...

Confirmation (1)

skeftomai (1057866) | more than 7 years ago | (#18307856)

I'm running Vista Business on a laptop from leadcomp.com (MSI-1039; 2.2GHz, 1GB RAM, 100GB HDD, 256MB RAM), and I can confirm that when I leave the computer on overnight it often locks up 99% and is basically unusable without a hard reset. Ubuntu, on the other hand, works much better, and I can leave it on for days straight :) Hopefully one of these patches will solve the lockup problem with Vista.

When does the "Wow" start again? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18307952)

Did they mean it like, "Wow, I can't believe they actually shipped this unfinished piece of shit!"

mod 0p (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18308072)

C*ommunity. The

Mac and PC (4, Funny)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18309496)

Well, this situation sounds ripe for lampooning in a new one of Apple's "Mac & PC" ads:

Mac and PC in twin beds, an alarm goes off. Mac wakes up but PC was sitting up in bed twitching nervously.

"Good morning--"

"AH!"

"I'm a... Mac."

"And I'm a p-p-PC."

"Hey, PC, haven't you been sleeping?"

"No! No, I, uh, I-I can't sleep."

"Really, do you need something?"

"No, it's not that. I-I mustn't go to sleep because I'm afraid I won't wake up. There have been reports, you know, that since the release of Vista, PCs have had problems with not waking up from sleep."

"Gee, that's too bad. Me, I have no problems waking up from sleep. I mean, within two seconds, I'm up and fully alert. That isn't true for you?"

"..."

"Uh, PC? PC, hello? Hey, PC, wake up!"

"..."

"Oh my."

Vista WON'T Sleep (1)

aslate (675607) | more than 7 years ago | (#18310054)

When i first installed Vista it all worked great, sleep worked perfectly and i could come out fine.

Now since i installed something (I believe my new GFX Drivers) it won't sleep. It'll turn the monitor off, but when i nudge the mouse or hit the keyboard it'll turn the monitor on and it'll be at the lock screen. According to powercfg it does support S3 sleep, strange.
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