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French Parliament Chooses Ubuntu

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the all-those-letters-are-silent dept.

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atamyrat reminds us that last November it was announced that the French Parliament had decided to switch to Linux. At that time the distro had not been determined. It will be Ubuntu: "[T]wo companies, Linagora and Unilog, have been selected to provide the members of the Parliament as well as their assistants new computers containing free software. This will amount to 1,154 new computers running Ubuntu prior to the start of the next session which occurs in June 2007."

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I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1, Interesting)

Tokimasa (1011677) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314573)

It strikes me as a good distro for individuals new to Linux, but I personally would never deploy Ubuntu in a business or government setting. I would go for something a little more enterprise-ish, like Fedora, (Open)SUSE, or Debian.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314583)


Hmmm... As long as their servers are secure, Ubuntu is as good a choice as any other.

You said it yourself: it's a good distro for individuals new to Linux.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314925)

The thing is that Ubuntu is built around the latest and greatest bleeding edge bits and pieces, it's quite common for stable packages to be replaced with beta versions and for things to break horribly without warning. Maybe Ubuntu could start releasing a toned down distribution for use in environments where stability and predictable behaviour is more important.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (4, Insightful)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315009)

The thing is that Ubuntu is built around the latest and greatest bleeding edge bits and pieces, it's quite common for stable packages to be replaced with beta versions and for things to break horribly without warning. Maybe Ubuntu could start releasing a toned down distribution for use in environments where stability and predictable behaviour is more important.

You have no clue how the Ubuntu releases work, do you? What you proposing exists since 06/2006, it is called Ubuntu 6.06 LTS [ubuntu.com]

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316305)

You have no clue how the Ubuntu releases work, do you? What you proposing exists since 06/2006, it is called Ubuntu 6.06 LTS
About September last year, an xorg update in Dapper broke support for my (shitty) SavageS3 graphics card, causing a hard crash every 20 minutes or so. The only solution was to reinstall the old xorg and apt-pin it, but after a while that prevented other things from getting their upgrades. Switched to Etch, problem solved. As of mid-February, the problem was still there in Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is great, but LTS ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (3, Insightful)

Zonk (troll) (1026140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315075)

Hmm. Perhaps you haven't heard of the LTS release. Dapper [ubuntu.com] is supported on the desktop for 3 years, 5 on the server. Packages are stable, only getting security and bug fixes. Similar to RHEL. I'm sure this is what they're planning on using. If not, they need to fire the implementers.

Oh Noes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18315019)

Ubuntu is going to turn the French into faggots [gaybuntu.com] .

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18315343)

The Live CD - version would be be a boon to French computer security!
  No passwords or incriminating data will be stored on stolen from hard drive or secondary storage ever again!
  , and never suffer computer data theft or security issues from a computer hard disk again

Live CD- isathe ticket to stopping data theft from computers from secondary storage like hard disks forever!
  Because No hard disk or secondary storage need be in the machine, a stolen computer reveals no data to the thieves .

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

dragonquest (1003473) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314593)

I wouldn't dream of using Fedora in such a situation seeing the stablity issues Fedora Core 5 had out of the box. If I had to run for something free, I'd choose CentOS 4.4. Rock solid stablity and still top notch for usability.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

cyclop (780354) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314601)

Why? What are the fundamental differences? Support? You can buy support from Canonical, AFAIK.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314609)

Perhaps you might like to elaborate on your aversion to Ubuntu in this situation?

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1, Interesting)

Tokimasa (1011677) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314639)

I used Ubuntu for about a day. I found it to be childish and rudimentary. It didn't strike me as something professional or suitable for a working environment, but rather something that I would use in a school (elementary or middle/junior high) or at home for someone who is new to computing or new to Linux.

I must admit, though, that it's been about a year since I tried Ubuntu. Maybe it has changed. But I read the site around the time the last release (Fiesty Fawn, I think it was) came out and it didn't look like a lot had changed.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (0, Flamebait)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314821)

Who is modding down all critique of Ubuntu? I use Ubuntu every day, and it is really a immature* piece of shit.

(* as in immature software, not immature attitude)

It feels as stable and coherent as Red Hat or SuSE 6 years ago. It needs lots of work to be a modern Linux distribution.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (4, Interesting)

Zonk (troll) (1026140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315193)

Who is modding down all critique of Ubuntu? I use Ubuntu every day, and it is really a immature* piece of shit.
Can you elaborate? Ubuntu provides a Usable desktop out of the box. Fedora and RHEL need a good amount of tweaking to get decent. Ie, the default Gnome config is rather bad and it's KDE needs to be replaced [sourceforge.net] to work adequately.

IMHO, the main area Ubuntu lacks is in configuration. It's a step backwards in that regard as it does require editing config files if the default doesn't cut it. Ie, if you need to change something with X you have to modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf wile Fedora/RHEL have system-config-display. This really needs to be addressed.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (2, Informative)

und0 (928711) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315581)

Probably you aren't aware, but "debconf" (the tool) has a (working?) GTK backend, other than the "cursed" one...

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

mushadv (909107) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315669)

NVIDIA users have the nvidia-settings GUI that modifies resolution, refresh rate and pretty much anything else any "normal user" would ever need to change. I believe anyone looking to do something more obscure wouldn't really be bothered by xorg.conf. Users of free drivers usually have their needs covered by the DE-supplied app. ATI users on the other hand are pretty much up shit creek, but concerning Linux, they've always been.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (2, Informative)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315841)

In Ubuntu or Kubuntu you need to replace both GNOME and KDE to get something stable. They apply a bunch of experimental patches to "improve" the experience, but the patches often creates more bugs.

There also seems to lack mature features for installing 3rd party content. This might not be much of a problem for really basic desktop user, but for a standard Linux users not being able to install and run tar-balls is a real problem (ubuntu doesn't even include /usr/local to PATH!), and they have obscured everything but /home and /mnt in the file-browsers, making it hard to access your webpage in /var/www, your source code in /src and your optional packages in /opt !!

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (2, Informative)

mushadv (909107) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316049)

In Ubuntu or Kubuntu you need to replace both GNOME and KDE to get something stable. They apply a bunch of experimental patches to "improve" the experience, but the patches often creates more bugs.

For serious? I haven't heard about any of this, nor experienced any of its effects (to my knowledge).

There also seems to lack mature features for installing 3rd party content. This might not be much of a problem for really basic desktop user, but for a standard Linux users not being able to install and run tar-balls is a real problem (ubuntu doesn't even include /usr/local to PATH!), and they have obscured everything but /home and /mnt in the file-browsers, making it hard to access your webpage in /var/www, your source code in /src and your optional packages in /opt !!

Last I checked, hidden system folders is a Kubuntu-specific feature.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (2, Funny)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316181)

We must tell the French government! What will they do without being able to find their source code!?

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316057)

I have been able to test Red hat 6 years ago and I currently use ubuntu. Must say that your statement doesn't look right.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (2, Funny)

Da Fokka (94074) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315195)

Linus... is that you?

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (3, Insightful)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314643)

To me, Fedora is the RPM equivalent of Ubuntu.

I'm not sure either should be used as an enterprise's first Linux desktop rollout; Windows admins aren't accustomed to their relatively furious rate of major releases.

Debian might have been a better choice, with its slow release cycle and decent security patch rollout rate.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (2, Informative)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314877)

I'm not sure either should be used as an enterprise's first Linux desktop rollout; Windows admins aren't accustomed to their relatively furious rate of major releases.

There's no law saying you have to be bleeding-edge; they can perfectly well stick with Dapper, which is the current 'long term support' release. The rest of us can install pre-release versions of Feisty if we want, but it's certainly not compulsory.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (4, Funny)

MartinG (52587) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314647)

enterprise-ish

Would you care to define enterprise-ish for us non-bullshit speaking types?

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1, Interesting)

Tokimasa (1011677) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314659)

Enterprise-ish is something that is professional, powerful but easy to use, and expandable to multiple conditions and types of users (from the office secretary to an ace developer).

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (3, Interesting)

MartinG (52587) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314671)

That sounds like pretty good description of Ubuntu to me!

Which of those characteristics you describe are Fedora, (Open)SUSE or Debian better than Ubuntu at?

Just to be clear, I'm not saying I think think Ubuntu is better than the others. In fact Fedora is probably my favourite disto. I just don't see how it is more "enterprise-ish" than Ubuntu is.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314715)

Ant it must use XML as an "Information backbone" to call itself truly enterprise worthy.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314789)

You've just described Ubuntu.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (2, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315129)

Would you care to define enterprise-ish for us non-bullshit speaking types?

enterpriseish: expensive, in such a way as to allow the head of IT to justify his large budget and hence status within the organisation; carries connotations of several very nice lunches with vendors and junkets to important conferences on an expense account.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315475)

I use Mandriva. Unofficially I tend to call Linux domain controllers in large networks "Destroyer Class" Linux Machines (That is just my slang for it. Think Babylon 5.)

Generally a Destroyer Class Linux Box:

Runs OpenLDAP, Samba, Bind, Kerberos
Manages Wifi and VPNs with FreeRadius.
Can use SSH to deploy applications to an entire network in one command
Runs a Groupware Solution, like Scalix.
Runs a Mail Server that also retrieves information from LDAP
Maybe runs an Apache server, but thats rather common. Usually includes PHP, or Perl, and a MySQL server.
Uses Nagios or some other NMS
Uses Snort for traffic monitoring.

I could go on. But you get the idea. These things are hard to build, and hard, and time consuming.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

Xymor (943922) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314723)

If you're aiming for enterprise-ish why not chose RHEL over Fedora?

It's admirable they are moving to open software, but their priority should be requiring the use of standards compiling software in all government areas.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315605)

It's admirable they are moving to open software, but their priority should be requiring the use of standards compiling software in all government areas.

Ubuntu uses GCC, which is a pretty standard compiler to me...

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314815)

I agree SUSE would be a better choice.

The biggest and most critical challenge they're likely to have is directory services. I know that LDAP is up to the job, the question is, are their IT staff up to LDAP? With SUSE, they could cushion the blow by going with Novell's directory solutions.

Aside from that, I don't think it makes much difference at all which of the mainline distros they take.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314975)

By choosing SUSE you're a direct supporter of both Microsoft and software patents.

Re:I don't get why they would use Ubuntu... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18315173)

By choosing SUSE you're a direct supporter of both Microsoft and software patents.
und zie germans... something the french are particularly known for.

Just a random thought about SUSE/Microsoft/patents (1)

Tokimasa (1011677) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315437)

I'm still trying to put my stand into words. I'm for software patents, for open-source, and not against closed-source.

Quick French Lesson For Posters (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314577)

chair == chaise

throw == jet

monkey == singe

boy == garçon

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314743)

Le singe est dans l'arbre
La chaise est dans l'arbre
Mr. Balmer conduit l'autobus

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (1)

o'reor (581921) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315269)

De colère, Monsieur Ballmer jette sa chaise à travers l'hémicycle.


:-)

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (-1, Troll)

FractalZone (950570) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314795)

Parlez vous Frog?

I like Ububtu. The fact that France likes it too disturbes me. It isn't as if the French have ever made a major correct decision...

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (2, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314833)

It isn't as if the French have ever made a major correct decision...

INVADE IRAQ? [Y/N] _

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18315975)

You mean [Cancel][Allow]?

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (5, Insightful)

Silver Sloth (770927) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314909)

It isn't as if the French have ever made a major correct decision...
Yeah, their decision to support those damn rebels in the colonies and help them overthrow their rightful British rulers, that was a real bad one! And that stupid statue they gave them, how inappropriate!

In more recent times, their decsion to stay out of a disasterous war based on dubious evidence is looking better and better as time goes by.

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (4, Interesting)

dlasley (221447) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315169)

I'll grant that as a rebuttal to the parent post, but the unfortunate truth in the U.S. is that a dramatic lack of historical scholarship and a distinct inability to grasp the nuances of the presence means that thousands of "decision-makers" around the country will look at this headline and say "well, if France is doing it, it must be anti-American since they support back invading Iraq". The fact that is was probably a smart call doesn't matter to people who's only worries are the three-month and six-month profit forecasts. Those decision-makers - many of whom have no excuse other than their own inadequacies - will see this as (optimistic) a ratification of Americanization and choose RedHat or (pessimistic) view it as yet another transgression by the neo-socialist liberals against the goodness of capitalism and choose Microsoft.

So far, Kubuntu (I like KDE, what can I say?) has been excellent as both a laptop and workstation platform, and I do have Ubuntu on a handful of servers. My personal choice would be Ubuntu/Kubuntu over just about anything else, and I applaud the decision and hope (uber-optimistically) that it's the beginning of this so-called tipping point for Linux on the desktop.

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (1)

Hexstream (892806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315273)

Throw == lancer, not jet.

Re:Quick French Lesson For Posters (1)

j79zlr (930600) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315441)

So I guess the distro wars are getting tighter, Ubuntu just surrendered......

Surprising choice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314585)

I'd have expected a French governmental institute to have chosen a good French product like Mandriva over an British on like Ubuntu (Conanical Ltd. is registered in the Isle of Man). Those French do so love their protectionism at the expense of flexibility and a fair market, after all.

Re:Surprising choice (1)

lixee (863589) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314657)

One word: Momentum!

Re:Surprising choice (3, Insightful)

corwin2 (680613) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315127)

I'd have expected a French governmental institute to have chosen a good French product like Mandriva over an British on like Ubuntu (Conanical Ltd. is registered in the Isle of Man). Those French do so love their protectionism at the expense of flexibility and a fair market, after all.
It may also mean that your view of the French mindset is not totally accurate ? ;)

Not Part of The UK (2, Informative)

andersh (229403) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316545)

Did you know that the Isle of Mann [wikipedia.org] is NOT part of the UK or the EU? In other words not very "British" at all ;)

who ever thought... (1, Insightful)

physicsboy500 (645835) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314599)

the French would get something right?!?

Cool (2, Interesting)

archeopterix (594938) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314603)

Ok, Yet Another Visible Organization chooses Ubuntu, joy & bliss. I'm curious whether they plan to contribute - bug reports, patches, new features/apps maybe?

Frubuntu anyone? :-)

Re:Cool (1)

Azathfeld (725855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314739)

I'm curious how long it'll be before this Yet Another Visible Organization Drops Ubuntu.

Re:Cool (1)

creepynut (933825) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314805)

Let's just show France we appreciate their support and tag the article blamefrance.

Re:Cool (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18315385)

I think that would be expecting a lot, but if any organization chooses a linux distro, then it is in thier best interest to report any problems that happen during deployment. That alone would at least contribute something.

Re:Cool (2, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315593)

I'm curious whether they plan to contribute - bug reports, patches, new features/apps maybe

It is hard not to contribute while using Linux in a large organization. They've got several companies doing support and services for them and that is going to include solving bugs. If nothing else, I imagine they'll be contributing bug fixes to the french language support, which is good it being such a common language in many third world countries where Linux can be a boon.

None (1)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316295)

The French parliament is obviously not going to submit patches. The companies they have hired to provide local support might submit patches that makes their support job easier, but those will just come in through the normal patch stream, and not be obviously linked to the parliament.

Perfect matchup (-1, Troll)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314619)

Socialist theory, check.
Blowhards (ESR, Perens, Chirac) to pontificate and piss on the grave of corporations, check.
Unappealing brown theme, check.
Sodomy, check.
After all, why pay good money for a real distro, with a company behind it to provide support, just because its not a French one?

Re:Perfect matchup (4, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314649)

While it's not my favorite distro, there are plenty of support options [ubuntu.com] available for Ubuntu. Of course I'm pretty sure you knew that and just felt like tossing out a troll. The alternative is you're just daft.

Re:Perfect matchup (2, Insightful)

mushadv (909107) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314681)

Well-done troll, except Canonical does indeed provide paid support [canonical.com] . Also, I fail to realize how sodomy plays a role in this wonderful distro, but I'm not one to judge based on the omission of a few pesky facts. "Don't complain, fix it" is my philosophy. Great job!

Re:Perfect matchup (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315073)

From the attitude of the OP troll I would guess he calls it "sodomy" if people of different skin color hug each other, or when people of the same sex do. (Remember the outcry 2 years ago about their theme photo, http://www.javipas.com/wp-content/ubuntu.JPG [javipas.com] )

Two Years From Now They'll Switch Back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314625)

Two years from now the parliament will be switching back. This is going to cost them thousands in retraining fees, and cause headaches when their users say, "but I used to be able to do this in windows," and "why do you mean we can't run vendor xyz's software on our computers?"

This should be interesting, but I ultimately think it will just set them back a couple of years.

Set them back a couple of years... (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314679)

Since there haven't been any real advancements in Microsoft software in several years, this is no change at all. Unless you consider the savings. Why would a government consider that?

A new desktop theme is not an operating systems revolution.

Re:Set them back a couple of years... (1)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314911)

A new desktop theme is not an operating systems revolution.


Microsoft says different with their aero.

Re:Set them back a couple of years... (1)

Chemicalscum (525689) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315081)

Microsoft says different with their aero.

Let them eat Beryl

Re:Set them back a couple of years... (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315985)

Since there haven't been any real advancements in Microsoft software in several years, this is no change at all.

I'm not sure you could say that MS has been advancing faster than Linux, but there are real advancements in Vista, whether you care about them or not.

Unless you consider the savings. Why would a government consider that?

I'm sure the french have considered a great many aspects of Linux vs. Windows for their needs. Basically, it comes down to the needs they have, the cost of meeting those needs, the risk of changing or not changing, and the long term flexibility and probable costs/risks associated with it. For large companies and organizations, Linux is looking pretty good in some of those comparisons (especially the last item). You never want a single supplier for something critical to your infrastructure and the more people that move to anything not Windows, the more benefit there is to doing the same.

trying to get a deal from MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314629)

just another gov't trying to get favorable pricing from Microsoft.

Re:trying to get a deal from MS (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315617)

Not in this case I think. Do not forget that we are talking about French here. And bureaucracy.

It is more along populist lines: "We are using computers provided by local vendors! We are not using evil software from convicted *US* monopolist!! We are saving bunch of your tax payers' money!!!"

I mean, they have elections looming. And I think it is part of campaign to get support from local business.

Re:trying to get a deal from MS (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316327)

Of course. It is all about not sending hard earned money to the US. Also, any other system, no matter what of wherefrom, will support French better than MS products.

Yes, but knowing how governments are... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314633)

They may have passed a resolution "choosing Ubuntu", but I'll bet that most of the representatives probably think Ubuntu is a particular type of French grape grown only in the Camargue and processed by Monks of the Suse sect in Aix-en-Provence.

OT: Have anyone tried Wubi? (5, Interesting)

atamyrat (980611) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314641)

I came across with Wubi [cutlersoftware.com] - new Ubuntu installer for Windows. You don't have to burn CD nor create new partition.
From FAQ:

How does Wubi work?
Wubi adds an entry to the Windows boot menu which allows you to run Linux. Ubuntu is installed within a file in the windows file system (c:\wubi\harddisks\ubuntu.hd), this file is seen by Linux as a real hard disk.
How do I install Ubuntu?
Run wubi, answer the few questions, reboot and select "Ubuntu" from the boot menu, go grab a coffee and when you are back Ubuntu will be ready for you.
How do I uninstall it?
You uninstall it as any other applications. In windows go to the control panel and select "Add or Remove Programs", then select Wubi and uninstall it. You can also use the uninstaller that you find in C:\wubi\uninstaller.exe.

Re:OT: Have anyone tried Wubi? (3, Funny)

Bob54321 (911744) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314829)

I haven't tried Wubi but I'm guessing its similar to the Debain Installer [goodbye-microsoft.com] that I tried. I never had any trouble with that. You've got to love the Ubuntu wiki and its use cases [ubuntu.com] !

And here I though... (0, Troll)

Jarn_Firebrand (845277) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314653)

...that the French had an aversion to things normal people like! Apparently they like stuff besides snails, frog's legs, and French military defeats [google.com] !

May I be an early welcomer......... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314663)

Of our frog-eating, garlic-flavoured open-sourced political masters ...?

Actually it's a Microsoft conspiracy (2, Interesting)

SimonInOz (579741) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314667)

I seem to recall, just a few years ago, Microsoft was declared in court as being a monopolist.
Now as I understand it, that's not illegal as such. It is, however, to use a monopoly to manipulate other markets.

So, ever so quietly, Microsoft is supporting Linux in general up to the point where Microsoft can no longer be seen as a monopoly.

Then it can go back to its previous predatory practices, maniulate other markets merrily, and nobody can say a word.

Have I got that right?

(I mean, it wouldn't do to see this as good news, surely?)

Re:Actually it's a Microsoft conspiracy (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314707)

Except Linux and OSS in general has a long way to go to push MSFT out of the monopoly role.

And by time OSS does that, it may have a strong enough foothold to undo MSFT anyways.

Tom

FRENCH PARLIAMENT CHOOSES TERRORISM!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314709)

What will you tell your children when they ask you why using an operating system that was free and therefore obviously developed by terrorists was more fun than using Windows?

What will your children think when they hear that terrorism had won because you installed VMware to make dual boot less annoying?

The future of the world is in your hands!

Re:FRENCH PARLIAMENT CHOOSES TERRORISM!!! (0, Troll)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314939)

What will you tell your children when they ask you why using an operating system that was free and therefore obviously developed by terrorists was more fun than using Windows?
--
We'll tell them that we changed the fries on parliament menu to "Ubuntu Fries" as revenge.

Glad I don't do my IT work in France (1, Interesting)

steelcobra (1042808) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314757)

Because the first year of real bureaucratic workers using only Linux will be hell.

Re:Glad I don't do my IT work in France (2, Funny)

iworm (132527) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315139)

"Glad I don't do my IT work in France"

So are the French.

Re:Glad I don't do my IT work in France (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315205)

Not true. If applications do fit the purpose - it would be fine. And since they have backing of two consulting agencies, I hope they know what they do. I mean, somebody lobbied for the deal, someone sweetened the deal to the point of acceptance.

[ I know people who moved bureaucracy to Linux - it was bit involuntary move when power failure fried bunch of hard drives 5(6?) years ago. IT gave three of their old Linux servers to department so that they would at least be able to work in Web interface. And people liked Netscape more than they liked IE. So several (junk) computers there still run Linux and people use them solely for intranet portals. Anyway they really need only two Windows computers there since company has bought only two licenses for Windows book keeping software. Rest of work is done on home brew Web inranet. IIRC crucial factor of accepting Linux was availability of - and that's NOT joke - mahjong. ]

Though I too share your concerns. I really hope those two providers know what they are subscribing themselves to. But if people need only to access some web portals & KOffice/OpenOffice.org fit the bill for productivity software - why not to try?

Re:Glad I don't do my IT work in France (1)

nick.ian.k (987094) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315461)

Because the first year of real bureaucratic workers using only Linux will be hell.

Why? Is it because you don't understand Linux, or is it because you think that they'll be doing something requiring a vastly different set of knowledge?

If it's the latter, you're probably being foolish. What complex tasks are bureaucrats going to be left to that require Linux-specific knowledge on their behalf? Sending and receiving email? Viewing web pages? Reading and writing office documents? These are not Linux-centric tasks. Unless they're being asked to perform system administration themselves (which would be ridiculous, this isn't their job), it's very likely everything will be fine.

If it's the former, fair enough. Someone else -likely a person with the appropriate set of skills living in France- will take the job and do just fine.

Really, what's the problem?

Re:Glad I don't do my IT work in France (1)

steelcobra (1042808) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316101)

Once you've had a chance to actually deal with real-world users in the government enterprise environment, you know exactly what I mean. Linux is a great solution if every user has a basic grip on how to use a computer and are willing to explore and figure out how to do things. But in the real world, most aren't. And the higher up they are, the more they need assistance in learning the basics of new software. I guarantee that the oldest/most senior users in the french government are going to call IT every time they want to do something they weren't shown how to do, or simply forgot or became too tech-timid, when they were set up with Ubuntu. Despite the fact that "OMG Windoze wantz to rulez world so it suckz" seems to be the normal opinion here, Windows XP is a solid OS with a familiar feel and, most importantly, real support from a massive dev team. As oppossed to a group of nerds who just don't want to pay for software so they build a modified version of Unix for themselves.

Re:Glad I don't do my IT work in France (1)

howlingmadhowie (943150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316161)

so the thousands of companies and government departments worldwide already using linux don't count for some reason.

why not ORACLE linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18314773)

why not ORACLE enterprise linux??? you would imagine support would matter - well, oracle should be able to give support.

Re:why not ORACLE linux? (1)

corwin2 (680613) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315049)

Because there are tons of local companies specialized in giving support to OSS, the two companies that won the bid (Linagora and Unilog) are services companies.

Why? Is there an Arabic version? (-1, Troll)

gelfling (6534) | more than 7 years ago | (#18314841)

Or is it just another reason for people to boil out into the streets and burn something?

Good stuff (3, Informative)

RoiDaGaubert (970028) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315685)

I'm french and for once proud to be :-p

Obviously that the only good decision that the french gouvernement took for a long while ....

Re:Good stuff (1)

RoiDaGaubert (970028) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315765)

Just wonder if they will use XGL :))

Re:Good stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18316243)

You're french but you seem to forget that this decision isn't a consequence of any government policy, or decision. The National Assembly has its own way of making decision, and in particular, the decision to switch to linux was taken by Assembly representatives, elected by deputies amongst other deputies.
Point is: if you're looking for a nice decision from France's government, look elsewhere.
I might point you (and other interested slashdot readers), to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_France [wikipedia.org] Please notice the strange separation between the executive branch and the legislative branch.

Re: separation of powers (1)

neutrino38 (1037806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316319)

You might now that this kind of decision is taken internally to the French Parliament. They have their own independent budget (that they vote for themselves) and governement has no right whatsoever to interfere with this.

It's an implementation the the principle of separation of powers

(Voltaire or Montesquieu ?).

So you can't even give credit to govt for this decision.

Great..... (0, Troll)

belligerent0001 (966585) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315691)

Great, now that I have finally begun embrace Linux in general, Ubuntu specifically, for general, all around use at home, the friggan frog parliment decides *IT* needs to use it. I am now going to have to ditch my efforts to get off of the Microshaft addition, all because of the damn French. Oh wait...maybe they will give up on their adoption of Ubuntu, they give up on everthing else easy enough.

La mort vers la France!!!

New machines? (1)

problem for Wolf (1074639) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315729)

Why do they have to purchase new machines? I bet Ubuntu will run just fine on their current equipment.

Re:New machines? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18315953)

because they have to destroy the old ones.

Defenestration in action.... (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 7 years ago | (#18315877)

just watch out for chairs though... ;)

Behind the scenes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18316165)

It seems that the deal clincher was that Linagora and Unilog promised to integrate a surrender button so essential to French diplomacy in each computer provided.

 

The neoconservatives in Texas (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316335)

Will be bashing all Ubuntu linux users next as unAmerican. .... well at least the ones I know about

They have a choice (1)

Locklin (1074657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316531)

Send X% of I.T. budget to the U.S., and spend the remaining 100-X% paying local people for support OR Spend 100% of budget paying local service people/companies (This is government remember). I assume they probably chose Ubuntu because it isn't also tied to support contracts with Redhad and Novell (ie. They can support it locally if they wish). I'm curious, what would be the downsides of chosing Ubuntu for this purpose?

Now Linux is ready... (1)

tsbiscaro (888711) | more than 7 years ago | (#18316637)

...to lose the OS war!
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