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Still A Rough Road Ahead for the PlayStation 3

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the still-working-out-the-kinks dept.

PlayStation (Games) 304

TobyToadstool writes "Despite the good news out of GDC last week, it still seems like Sony's new console has some image management to do. CNET says that the PlayStation 3 is 'the most unwanted console in recent memory' and asks 'why is the PS3 so undesirable?' They specifically question the company's wisdom in emphasizing the power of the console. Their impression is that this invites developers to neglect gameplay, in favour of investing in graphics. Likewise, Gamespot is running a piece suggesting ten ways to make the PS3 worth buying. A lower price is just one of the suggestions with exclusives, and the need for online standardization, following close behind. Looks like Sony still has its work cut out."

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Seriously (4, Insightful)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338075)

It's not "unwanted", people just don't want to pay the price. I'm more than half the people out there who have decided not to get it have decided such because of price and not one of the other reasons listed in TFA.

Re:Seriously (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338141)

It's not "unwanted", people just don't want to pay the price.

It's unwanted at that price. The price is part of the product offering. Thus, the PS3 is currently unwanted.

By the way, if Sony's hostility to their customers (like shutting down Lik-Sang, and forcing Blu-Ray on us all when it is simply not necessary) doesn't dissuade you from buying from Sony, then you are a tool and part of the problem. As long as we keep forgiving companies who treat us like shit, they will treat us like shit.

Re:Seriously (4, Interesting)

26199 (577806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338233)

I stopped buying Sony after the rootkit fiasco. The quality of the PS3 became a non-issue at that point.

But even ignoring external considerations, the Wii is far more appealing than the PS3. It just seems... more fun. (I'm not going to comment on the Xbox. My sense of the hypothetical is not sufficiently advanced to encompass a world where I'm willing to buy from Microsoft).

Re:Seriously (1)

numbski (515011) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339041)

You've hit the nail on the head there. I simply won't pay Microsoft a dime. I don't want to shell out the cash for a PS3 either (reduce the pricetag, and perhaps we have a different story) so that leaves the Wii.

I'm hacked off at Sony too, but to be blunt, it seems like major titles go to MS and Sony, exlcusives and an occassional port go to Nintendo. Perhaps that will change.

If they would have pushed to 720p on the Wii, this would be a no-brainer, but it just feels silly to do 480p on an HDTV. :\ Nintendo has found a niche, I'll give them that, but I feel kinda caught out on this one.

Re:Seriously (2)

prockcore (543967) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339319)

it just feels silly to do 480p on an HDTV


Does that mean you no longer watch DVDs?

Re:Seriously (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339365)

I got the ps3. I stopped buying DVDs. just feels odd to have the blu ray and still buy DVDs. Most major releases will come in blu ray for roughly $10 CND more. I don't mind the extra expence to feed content to my 50' HD TV.

Re:Seriously (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18339059)

So, your narrowed your options down to Nintendo, the good company, whose fine business practices have never done anything to hurt the games industry? In seriousness though, I don't think making choices based on company image will get you very far. Your impression of a company is a tug of war between their PR team, other PR teams, and the media, and not particularly reliable in my opinion. I actually want to buy a Wii more than any of the other two, but that's because it's cool, not because Nintendo is supposedly less evil.

Re:Seriously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18338627)

How about shutting down the Game Genie guys (Nintendo) or well anything MS has done (360)?

Face facts, if you really want to practice what you preach, you'd be running a custom built PC with a custom built OS.

Re:Seriously (2)

Krakhan (784021) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339715)

Although Nintendo did do a lot of nasty things when they had their monopoly in the NES days, Galoob actually won that lawsuit against Nintendo.

Re:Seriously (2, Insightful)

wpegden (931091) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338943)

By the way, if Sony's hostility to their customers (like shutting down Lik-Sang, and forcing Blu-Ray on us all when it is simply not necessary) doesn't dissuade you from buying from Sony, then you are a tool and part of the problem.
I agree with the sentiment, but I think Slashdot comes down on the wrong side here from a long-term perspective. Putting asside for a moment the very possible dominance of Nintendo in at least some segment of the console market, the question is: who is it better to have controlling the high-end game market, Microsoft or Sony? To answer this question, we need to consider what each of their world-domination strategies entail. I don't think Sony's world domination strategy has a chance at success: since it is a media company, domination depends on DRM and hardware brand image. The former is technically infeasible; the latter has limited staying power if coupled with inferior products (this differs from the domination of Windows in the OS market, for example).

On the other hand, Microsoft's potential to dominate the software industry is very real, very with us, and very possible to remain unchecked. It is a big problem for freedom (if you lean radical) and the technology economy in general (even if you don't). If the big M succeeds at dominating a home-entertainment market, it will firm up their position to dominate the software industry, and further entrench developers in the Microsoft camp. This is why we should be opposing Microsoft more than Sony in the game market. Not because Sony has been nicer, but because Microsoft is more dangerous in the long run.

Re:Seriously (1)

MeNeXT (200840) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339141)

Better, don't buy from either one. It will encourage them and others to change their ways.

Re:Seriously (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339235)

This is why we should be opposing Microsoft more than Sony in the game market. Not because Sony has been nicer, but because Microsoft is more dangerous in the long run.

FWIW, I'm not buying an Xbox 360, either. I bought an Xbox for use as a media center because it was cheap. I can build a PC that will do the media center job for what I'd pay for an Xbox 360, so there's not even any point even if I wanted to patronize Microsoft - and I do not.

Re:Seriously (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339273)

[quote]Putting asside for a moment the very possible dominance of Nintendo in at least some segment of the console market, the question is: who is it better to have controlling the high-end game market, Microsoft or Sony?[/quote] Answer: Neither. Its almost never good to have one player controlling a huge portion of the industry. Which is why its a good thing that Sony is getting kicked around this generation.

Re:Seriously (5, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339325)

Just a note: Most people don't care a bit about the root kit, lik sang, or the inclusion of blu-ray. only the price and the lack of games would cross the mind of any non geek.

Re:Seriously (1)

Bjrn (4836) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339407)

It's unwanted at that price.

Well maybe the price will go down soon since IBM just announced that it will start to produce 65 nm Cell processors. On the other hand maybe Sony will just use the lower production cost to decrease the amount lost per console sold.

Re:Seriously (1)

PikachuMolester2007 (1058780) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339873)

Buy from Microsoft instead. They are a much better company.

Re:Seriously (4, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338195)

I'm more than half the people out there who have decided not to get it

Well, if you buy one, they'll have sold twice as much. Get on with it man. ;-)

Cheers

Re:Seriously (4, Insightful)

Who235 (959706) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338231)

Price is a huge factor for me, but there are others.

I'll admit it right here - the only thing that made me buy a PS2 was the availability of GTA3. I know the GTA games came out later on Xbox, but I didn't know they would at the time I bought my PS2.

If GTA4 was exclusive to the PS3, I'd seriously consider buying one. As it stands now, I might as well buy an Xbox and a Wii for the price of one PS3 and have GTA4 and the embarrasingly fun Wii games on top of it.

If they had some of the game exclusives that I couldn't live without, I'd save up and buy one, but there's no point if I can get the games on another console for less money.

Re:Seriously (5, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338351)

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. It's the games that make the console, not the other way around (although more power can mean better games!)

I think Sony should offer to pay for or at least split the development costs for some heavy hitter games. If Sony could team up with Blizzard, for example, to make a PS3 version of WOW that shares the online world with PC's, it may go a long way toward selling consoles.

Re:Seriously (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339415)

Sure you could plug in a usb mouse and keyboard but would it be all that practical but I'm not sure Blizzrd wants to cut sony into it's cash cow.

Re:Seriously (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339937)

Sure you could plug in a usb mouse and keyboard but would it be all that practical but I'm not sure Blizzrd wants to cut sony into it's cash cow.

Besides, though it's not doing nearly the business that WoW is (nothing is), Sony is still in competition with Blizzard in the MMOG realm with Everquest/Everquest 2 and Star Wars Galaxies. They would have no interest in propping Blizzard up further, any more than Blizzard would want Sony to have a piece of their WoW pie.

I should also note that we, as consumers, should not be rooting for Sony (or Microsoft or Nintendo, for that matter) to get exclusives. We should be encouraging developers to make their titles multiconsole so that we don't have to be locked into one console because we can't do without a particular game.

Exclusives are only good for console manufacturers. They do little for developers (apart from saving a relatively small amount of money in porting their game[s]) and they outright suck for consumers...

Re:Seriously (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338369)

I don't think that happens anymore. They might dangle it in front of you for awile, hoping you'll take the bait and get a system, but after awile the greed is strong in them, and they must port it.

Parent shouldn't be modded troll (1)

cheese-cube (910830) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338243)

Seriously people he/she is making a valid comment.

Re:Seriously (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338297)

It's not "unwanted", people just don't want to pay the price. I'm more than half the people out there who have decided not to get it have decided such because of price and not one of the other reasons listed in TFA.
I'm willing to pay the price - it just better be worth it. Currently it's not because of the other items listed in TFA. More games, more features, online online online capabilities!

Re:Seriously (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338299)

I wanted a PS3 for the blueray player.

I played it for a few hours when I first got it. I haven't played it since. It has been sitting in my home entertainment system, unused, for months.

I'm sure some PS3-only must-have games will eventually come out and I'll love my purchase at that point. For now, it's just a pretty conversation piece.

Re:Seriously (1)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339269)

Poor, unwanted, neglected PS3s... anyone else thinking of the Island of Misfit Toys from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer? Maybe the PS3 can make friends with that choo-choo with square wheels!

Re:Seriously (1)

earbenT (992594) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338341)

Pretty much. PS3 has everything going for it other than price.

Right. Being a happy PS3 owner isn't unusual. (5, Interesting)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338699)

Yeah.

The PS3 is probably used only slightly less than my cable box. It's a fantastic DVD player, media player, Blu-ray player, and game console. Once I got over the price, I took the plunge and grabbed it. It's on for a few hours every night, in either linux or crossbar.

What's really ironic is that Sony has made the most open console, and no one seems to want to mention this. If it weren't so expensive, we'd see an incredible surge of hack activity on the product. With a free and fairly good linux distro already available, the sky is really the limit. Not to mention that with a quick conversion it plays nearly any media I download. It also uses Bluetooth peripherals. No overpriced-piece-of-crap microphones or obnoxious cable adaptors. All my mice and keyboards already work with it.

What's most frustrating about being a PS3 owner is that everyone immediately assumes you've wasted your money. If you explain that the PS3 has been a terrific experience, they immediate assume you either: a) Don't have a Wii and are bitter or b) are a Sony shill.

At least Motorstorm is out now. When people come over and I beep on the PS3, their snide comments quickly fall off as they watch a few rounds. And I actually have people coming over to play VF5, which was the first time I had friends want to check out my PS3.

I hope with the upcoming price drop and Home (and Little Big World) on the way, Sony will get the PS3 back on track, because there really is a lot to like about it.

Re:Right. Being a happy PS3 owner isn't unusual. (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339117)

Slashdot: It's Not For Common Sense


Who are you and what have you done with the wise person who wrote this signiture?

Joking aside, I appreciate your candid appraisal. Most people who post in favor of Sony here do so as AC and without Common Sense (TM). While there can definitely be debate concerning the PS3, at least with your post it is such and not a flame war over reality bending points on all sides.

Re:Right. Being a happy PS3 owner isn't unusual. (3, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339507)

I got one recently as well. I feel the whole price argument is slightly overblown for Canadians since it's about $50 more then my launch Ps2 after inflation, but it's a "good" blu-ray player while my Ps2 was a "crap" DVD player. I enjoy all the little extra and the fact they didn't do the trademark 100% propriatary thing that was Sony electronics trademark. It support compact flash, SD, and minidisk. It does the whole USB thing too and I can put linus on it. I think they made it right but marketted it badly. And they created a lot of ill will with their upper managemetn beign so sure of it's landslide victory.

I think they can recover but they need ot shut up their marketroids for a while and let the product speak for itself. Unlike most of slashdot, the general public isn't very anti-PS3 they just need a reason to want one. One of the upcoming games liek MGS4 would do it.

Re:Right. Being a happy PS3 owner isn't unusual. (2, Funny)

flewp (458359) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339695)

It does the whole USB thing too and I can put linus on it.


Wow, how'd you convince him to do that?

Re:Right. Being a happy PS3 owner isn't unusual. (2, Funny)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339787)

He likes the feel of smooth plastic and chrome. Hippies can be really kinky.

Sony knows what it's doing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18339931)

Just for the record, I'm not a Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo fan.

There is no chance in hell Sony is going to bomb with the PS3. The playstations 1 and 2 accounted for roughly a third of their profits, and I can't count the number of businesses they are in. Simply put, PS3 is the flagship effort of this particular company. They are thinking longer term than most consumers out there, and they have the resources and accumulated business knowhow to pull it off. They've created a powerful platform, and they are allied with the best bunch of game developers in the world. Once the insane hits start trickling in, PS3 is going to be the Rolls-Royce of gaming systems. I can think of three of the top of my head: Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy 13, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma. These are games that people are going to want to own.
One last thing: there is this disturbing trend where consumers tend to spend more and more time in front of the screen playing games, watching DVDs etc. Sony is thinking 5 years down the road, when people will need a gaming fix and an immersive experience, and the PS3 is going to deliver through the internet. You won't have to get up from your couch to go get your next game or movie - you just push a button and you get your next entertainment/distraction product to keep you pacified.

Powerful hardware + the richest and most experienced game developer companies behind the effort is a combination that cannot fail. The wow factor and the painful need to escape reality are going to make people pull the trigger regardless of cost. Coke anyone?

 

slashdot (1)

alfs boner (963844) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338115)

I would never socialize with a slashdot user. sorry guys!

Atari Jaguar... (4, Funny)

Smitty825 (114634) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338137)

I don't know if 10 or so years ago counts as recent memory, but IIRC, the Atari Jaguar was the most unwanted console that I can think of!

Re:Atari Jaguar... (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338249)

Yeah, you're probably right. The Infinium Phantom, on the other hand, was hot hot hot! It was in such demand stores stopped taking preorders. I myself ordered six of them. Gilbert Arenas I hear ordered seventeen! But sadly due to unit shortages I'm only expected to get mine in 2034.

Re:Atari Jaguar... (2, Insightful)

J-Doggqx (809697) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338263)

I always thought it was a tie between the 3DO and the N-Gage.

Re:Atari Jaguar... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338271)

How about five years?

I know I'm going to get modded "Troll" for this even though I don't deserve it, however...

We're talking about Europe. Don't these guys remember the original Xbox? Or did it sell so few over there that it slipped their mind?

Alien v. Predator (1)

kansas1051 (720008) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338905)

For its time, the Jaguar was quite a system (as was the Lynx, Atari's 16-bit color handheld). Alien v. Predator on the Jaguar, released in 1994, was way ahead of its time and for several years was one of the best console games. See Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] for screenshots. Of course, this was the only game that was any good for Jaguar which doomed the system.

Re:Alien v. Predator (1)

AttilaB (574159) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339761)


  Don't forget Tempest 2000!

Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18338207)

Maybe they should do what celebrities do in this situation? You know, release a sex tape or video of guys masterbating on the PS3's face plate and then shave its head. It'd be the center of public attention then and everyone would feel sorry for it. Oh, and throw in a trip to a South African rehab will make you the talk of the town too!

Here's my 10 Reasons (5, Funny)

Mizled (1000175) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338221)

10) Cost

9) Cost

8) Cost

7) Cost

6) Cost

5) Cost

4) Cost

3) Cost

2) Cost

1) Wii > PS3

Re:Here's my 10 Reasons (1)

Mizled (1000175) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338325)

Haha looks like a PS3 fan with some extra mod points is modding anything negative about the PS3 to "Troll". That's kind of sad.

Re:Here's my 10 Reasons (1)

Pippity (602962) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338493)

What I find sad is whoever modded that as "insightful"; my 2 year-old nephew can formulate an opinion better than that. At least he tries to make real sentences.

Re:Here's my 10 Reasons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18338651)

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Re:Here's my 10 Reasons (0, Offtopic)

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Re:Here's my 10 Reasons (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18339785)

Pssh, as if spam can get through GMail's filter. That thing's #$%@ing psychic.

Re:Here's my 10 Reasons (1)

inverselimit (900794) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339009)

For me it is the Wii that is killing it, together with consistent bad behavior on Sony's part (rootkit most prominently). I bought a playstation 2 at the moment of launch and it was fine. But I just bought a Wii because my wife, who has never before shown interest in video games, wanted one and is now very excited about it. Plus the fact that Sony is on its side in a format war almost guarantees that Blue-ray will lose.

I'm sure the PS3 will do fine, but with an order of magnitude smaller market than the Wii.

At Least (2, Insightful)

billdar (595311) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338241)

At least it runs linux....

Only if (2, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338417)

you buy one first!

Re:At Least (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338693)

That's what I've always found weird.

Slashdot appears to hate the PS3 and love Linux... yet which console runs Linux out of the box as a freaking menu option?

Re:At Least (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339419)

You forget that "Linux" is a term often swung around like "Religion". It's a vast, ambiguous word with any number of subsections that hold each other in contempt. If it isn't their Linux it doesn't matter.

Re:At Least (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339479)

Slashdot appears to hate the PS3 and love Linux... yet which console runs Linux out of the box as a freaking menu option?


I love Linux. However, I expect my consoles to play games. I don't see any appeal to a $600 linux box with only 256 megs of ram and VESA video drivers. I think the Cell processor overrated, and certainly not "the future" any more than transmeta's Crusoe was "the future".

Re:At Least (5, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339515)

That's what I've always found weird.

Slashdot appears to hate the PS3 and love Linux... yet which console runs Linux out of the box as a freaking menu option?


Why is that weird?

Let's say that you love ice cream but you hate herpes-sore covered cock. Some dude shows you his herpes-covered cock, but it's also smeared with delicious ice cream. "Hey man, I thought you loved ice cream, you weirdo!" he says as you run screaming.

Re:At Least (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339643)

Let's say that you love ice cream but you hate herpes-sore covered cock. Some dude shows you his herpes-covered cock, but it's also smeared with delicious ice cream. "Hey man, I thought you loved ice cream, you weirdo!" he says as you run screaming.

Look you leave my persona life out of this!

I see what you mean... but I think your analogy stretches it a bit. ;)

Re:At Least (2, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339749)

Look you leave my persona life out of this!

Hey, don't feel bad, I hate that guy too. Next time I'm going to tell him that I just love things that are on fire. Should be good for a laugh.

I see what you mean... but I think your analogy stretches it a bit. ;)

True, true. There's no problem with the PS3 that is fundamentally uncureable... So okay, say you love ice-cream but you hate gonorrhea-infected cock... :)

Re:At Least (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339859)

Hey, don't feel bad, I hate that guy too. Next time I'm going to tell him that I just love things that are on fire. Should be good for a laugh.

You don't understand... I AM that guy.

If people don't want to see my penis... they should tell me ahead of time. [theonion.com]

More power = less gameplay? (0, Offtopic)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338267)

Follow that to its logical conclusion and we should all be playing Pong.

Re:More power = less gameplay? (2, Interesting)

flitty (981864) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338345)

I don't think you should use the word "logic" in that statement...
Unless you say "Follow that to its logical fallacy of slippery slope, and we should all be playing pong"

been here before (2, Insightful)

mastershake_phd (1050150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338283)

I woulnt say its "the most unwanted console in recent memory". Its just too expensive for most casual gamers. Like the 3DO, Jaguar, and others it may be a great system but you need a large user base to survive.

well, duh (5, Insightful)

Deadbolt (102078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338289)

No one thing is killing the PS3. Sony has screwed up on multiple fronts:

* no games. Can anyone who doesn't have a PS3 name two games currently available for it not available anywhere else?
* halfhearted online/multiplayer. The 360, MS device or no, has set the bar, and whether or not you think it's high enough, the PS3 doesn't come close to it.
* bad word of mouth. Hardcore gamers are turned off due to the lack of games and crappy multiplayer.
* marketing. What the HELL is with the PS3 ads? Sony thinks no one will ever use the full power of the console? Even to non-gamers, they sound clueless.
* nothing new. While the PS3 is technically the same generation as the 360 and Wii, what is it offering that they don't? The 360 does HD (which doesn't only mean 1080p, so don't start) and has solid online chops. The Wii is retro, uses a new controller scheme, and is accessible for non-gamers. The only thing the PS3 does well so far is HD, and the difference between it and the 360's HD is practically subjective.

The price, frankly, is retardedly high. Without anything new or awesome games, a console that's 50% higher than its nearest competitor isn't going to sell.

However, this isn't necessarily how it's always going to be. Sony can still save their baby by correcting these screwups, and gamers want the PS3 to be cool because they want awesome games. Maybe in two years we'll all own PS3s and laugh at the thought that one day we openly scorned the chunky thing.

Re:well, duh (1)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338481)

Nothing new eh?

How about blu-ray player? You may not want it, but I use mine quite a bit and it was at quite an affordable price when compared to a standalone player.

Re:well, duh (1)

Deadbolt (102078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338571)

It's a gaming console, not a movie player. Even Sony says so.

I want games from my console. blu-ray is just a technical detail. It doesn't offer a new gaming experience in and of itself.

Re:well, duh (1)

loki_ninboy (992401) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338483)

no games. Can anyone who doesn't have a PS3 name two games currently available for it not available anywhere else?
Resistence and the crappy Gundam game. Both launch titles. There also Motostorm, which was more impressive as a demo than as the real game.

Re:well, duh (1)

Gertlex (722812) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338863)

no games. Can anyone who doesn't have a PS3 name two games currently available for it not available anywhere else?
Resistence and the crappy Gundam game. Both launch titles. There also Motostorm, which was more impressive as a demo than as the real game.
Rhetorical question dude...

Re:well, duh (1)

AP2k (991160) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338601)

Gran Turismo?

I dont keep up enough with any of the consoles to be fluent of bread and butter exclusives, but that isnt to say there are any.

Re:well, duh (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339739)

Apparently, there's at least one [penny-arcade.com] decent game available. :-)

Re:well, duh (1)

timster (32400) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339927)

While LittleBigPlanet looks fairly cool, it's not by any stretch of the imagination "available". As far as I know, nobody outside the development team has played it yet. It's WAY to soon to try and prove that particular pudding. I speculate that the excitement over the demo is largely relief among Playstation fans that there was finally some GOOD news. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Re:well, duh (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#18340071)

Actually, only one thing IS killing the PS3, and you said it as your first example:

no games.

Up until VERY recently, there was NOTHING besides Resistance that really made the console an attractive purchase. It's a slick machine, full of great tech and lots of potential, but until anything is USING that tech, there's no reason to buy it.

The games are starting to come out, though - fl0w, Motorstorm, Tekken, VF5... These should give the sales a little spurt, but once the end of the year hits with its huge array of titles (from GTA to MGS to Home), it'll finally give people a reason to buy the thing.

People are willing to pay good money for good entertainment. Until the content is there, though, sales aren't going to be great.

No good games? (0, Redundant)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338321)

I would be open to buying one if it had the awesome games it was suppose to.

I think it has one good game that is exclusive - and it's not even that 'great' a game.

Maybe more time will help with GOW3.

Pretty happy with the 360 for now. Online really rocks.

Just Give It A Fucking Rest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18338335)

The gaming world going crazy over Home and Little Big World...time for some Zonk damage control and FUD!

This one is for you PC! (1)

x3lite (1074693) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338371)

LONG LIVE THE PC!


-x3lite

Little Big Planet and Home (2, Insightful)

segafreak (721003) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338385)

As can be seen here http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/09 [penny-arcade.com] Sony have just unveiled two big new draws for the PS3. I think the price is still prohibitively high, but I think gradually they'll manage to grow the userbase if they can keep releasing stuff like this.

I can think of lots of reasons to buy one... (4, Insightful)

Tsu-na-mi (88576) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338419)

Problem is, they're not here yet: Gran Turismo 5, and the new installments of GTA, Zone of Enders, Final Fantasy, Metal gear Solid, and other great PSX franchises. I have no interest in the 360, and while I think the Wii is fun as hell, it's the PS3 that will get all the good high-end Japanese games from Konami, Square/Enix, and the like.

In the meantime, I'm kicking back and enjoying Guitar Hero/GHII with occasional progress on completing Gran Turismo 4.

Re:I can think of lots of reasons to buy one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18339387)

" it's the PS3 that will get all the good high-end Japanese games from Konami, Square/Enix, and the like."

When you consider how the console sales are looking in Japan, it may very well be the Wii that gets those titles.

Two words (1)

Chr0me (180627) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338429)

Lik-sang.

Okay, maybe it's hyphenated or a compound, but still. Even without price being a factor, I'm still pissed that I can't easily import all the cool shit I didn't get a chance to buy the last time I was in Asia.

Two Words (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338537)

Play-Asia? I'm staying out of the whole Sony vs. Lik-sang business, but it's not as if that was the only import site in town.

Well if the PS3 is 'unwanted'.... (3, Funny)

zdc (1064870) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338509)

...then emo teens across America should be buying them up like hotcakes. FINALLY, someone who understands! and he plays reasonably entertaining video games too!!

Hot topic should have spotted the niche in the market long ago...

Re:Well if the PS3 is 'unwanted'.... (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339217)

The sad thing is... that might work.

Enough of the Pricing complaints (1)

Apparition29 (612888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338541)

This is not the first $600 system that I have purchased and I am pretty sure it won't be the last. Yeah, the Neo-Geo system was not the most commercially successful system, but I am still happy I bought one. (BTW, try buying a AVS cart on ebay right now.) It's not cheap, but frankly I would prefer to spend a bit more now and have a system that will have a lifespan longer than 3 1/2 years (Original XBox, looking at you here!).

Re:Enough of the Pricing complaints (1)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339763)

Congratulations. Over *all* of Slashdot, *you* are the lone member of their target audience.

Give it time (0)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338587)

I'm sure that Sony's not worried. Game consoles these days are long lived... much more so than even PC's. There are still tons and tons of great games coming out for the 6 year old PS2. I'm sure that there are lots of people like myself, that will, most definitely buy a PS3, just as soon as some games come out that people want. Price isn't a real consideration.... You get what you pay for, and a "Wii" ain't gonna cut it for me. I want the best graphics, and the best sound, and I want to be able to play all of my old games, and I want to be able to play DVD's, and I have no interest in the silly controller gimmick thing.

Re:Give it time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18339357)

Price is a consideration for most people. You've got to remember that rich kids and single 20-30 year olds who spend most of their paycheck on frivolities are only a fraction of the videogame market. People who aren't in those subsegments won't buy a PS3 until its price comes way down, regardless of what games come out for it.

Shocked (2, Funny)

vecctor (935163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338611)

I'm puzzled as to why it's not more popular. I heard you can attack Giant Enemy Crabs at their weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE.

Also, it has real-time weapon switching! Take that Wii Remote!

Re:Shocked (1)

n0dna (939092) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338903)

Historically Accurate Giant Crabs, no less.

No no no... (2, Funny)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338623)

In the Great Rule Book of Games Console Launches, rule number one is: "Thou must under-stock for launch." So why has Sony got so many consoles available?

According to Sony, it's because their Supply Chain Management is very good. For some unknown reason, that doesn't explain the low-market share though. I'm sure their PR department will think of a better excuse next time. Maybe not.

Uh, no. It really is the price. (5, Interesting)

androvsky (974733) | more than 7 years ago | (#18338773)

Yeah, everyone pissed all over the PS2 when it came out because of stupid Sony execs over hyping the console, but when it launched most games looked worse than Dreamcast games, but it was more expensive.

Everyone I know, from average gamers to low-level systems programmers WANT a PS3. Badly. The gamers because they love the PS2 and all the great exclusives it had, and expect the PS3 to do the same, but with far better graphics. They don't follow gaming news quite enough to hear stupid quotes from various Sony execs, they're too busy playing Oblivion. Only problem is they can't afford the stupid thing, which is too bad since I know they'd go apeshit over Home.

The programmers I know want to play with the Cell, myself included. From everything I've heard, it's living up to the hype, even if you only get to play with 6 of the vector units on the PS3. It's also living up to the "pain in the ass to program" stories too, but that just makes some of us want to take a shot at it even more. But that's still not enough motivation to spend $500 - $600 to screw around with it, even though the programmers could afford it.

The PS3 is getting more and more exclusives every day (LittleBigPlanet, God of War 3 just got announced), and that's all it really needs now that they announced Home (and rumble too, I guess). The price really is the sticking point. I have a good friend who's a huge God of War fan, but there's no way in hell he's getting a PS3 in the next four years, he only got the PS2 last year. They won't be able to drop the price fast enough over the PS3's lifespan for it to ever approach PS2 sales numbers, but it can compete with the Xbox 360.

Re:Uh, no. It really is the price. (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339091)

The programmers I know want to play with the Cell, myself included. From everything I've heard, it's living up to the hype, even if you only get to play with 6 of the vector units on the PS3. It's also living up to the "pain in the ass to program" stories too, but that just makes some of us want to take a shot at it even more. But that's still not enough motivation to spend $500 - $600 to screw around with it, even though the programmers could afford it.

The funny thing is, if many programmers get a PS3 for that purpose and don't buy any games, Sony's losing a heck of a lot of money.

Re:Uh, no. It really is the price. (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339331)

The PS3 is getting more and more exclusives every day (LittleBigPlanet, God of War 3 just got announced), and that's all it really needs now that they announced Home (and rumble too, I guess).


It doesn't need exclusives announced, it needs exclusives released. It could also use a better PR staff, a lower price, and some concrete news about the sore topic of Killzone.

Eventually it will have most of those things, but it could really use them now.

It's about games... (2, Informative)

eison (56778) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339075)

Get us a game worth playing, and we'll want to buy it.
Should be a no-brainer.
Maybe Sony should try to hire some people from Nintendo. Nintendo has to have somebody with a clue who thinks that powerful hardware would be nice to run a good game on.

Re:It's about games... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339573)

It would have to be a hell of a game to justify 660 bucks!

Re:It's about games... (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#18340117)

Make that $820 for us UK types.

TBH Sony don't give a shit about the european market though - they missed the christmas window and launch in April... smart move guys... the wii has already had the ps3 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

I see them on shelves (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339321)

If anyone actually still wants one but can't find one, last time I was at a Walmart I saw two, and at Costco, I saw over 21 of them (I did a conservative count)

...you guys take this WAY too seriously (3, Insightful)

Talgrath (1061686) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339467)

Seriously guys, get a life; the competition in the console market between Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo is not a battle between good and evil...or good, neutral and evil; it's a competition between competing systems to get you to buy their system for money. This is about business, these aren't competing political ideologies or antyhing; just high-tech toys for both grown-ups and children. Buy the system that has what you want (both in terms of games and hardware features) and don't worry about the company behind it. None of these companies cause genocides or anything like that. As for the article itself, I'd say that the PS3 really isn't doing that badly; the idea that it is is really just hype, it's not selling as well as the Wii, that's true, but the generation is young.

Re:...you guys take this WAY too seriously (1)

HAKdragon (193605) | more than 7 years ago | (#18340047)

Seriously guys, get a life; the competition in the console market between Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo is not a battle between good and evil...or good, neutral and evil
 
Exactly, it's not like this is vi vs emacs.

One word: Ha Ha! (1)

purpleraison (1042004) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339591)

Man, who would have EVER guessed that a six hundred dollar game console would not sell?

Lemme think for a minute, who buys game consoles? Hmm.... no official statistics here, but it has to be that around 90% are kids under 18, and the other 10% are immature adults like myself.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but how many kids have an extra $600 to throw down on a video game?

Also hard-core gamers use a good gamin PC to really have good quality graphics - not a PrayStation. :)

It's the gameplay (2, Insightful)

chiph (523845) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339693)

Nintendo really took the correct approach by concentrating on gameplay, and not pure technical chops. The Wii is just fun to play for everyone in the family: from my 9yo niece to my 80yo grandmother.

I've been looking for additional Wii consoles for people at work, and they're really hard to find (I'm not paying inflated prices on eBay, sorry.) A PS3, on the other hand, I could pick up pretty much anytime.

Chip H.

Re:It's the gameplay (1)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339779)

I think i will keep reading the response even after the Wii has gone the way of the gamecube. Myself a Wii owner, can see easily that there have been no good games that have come out for the Wii since launch. Warioware aside which is merely yet ANOTHER party game, the Wii's list of games at this point are no better, if not worse, truly, than the PS3s. PS3 has had VF5, Motorstorm, F1, Tekken 5 all release in the last month. Of course, Nintendo only fans dont find those games fun because they arent Mario/Zelda/Metroid. Thats opinion of course, but to a large, huge rather amount of gamers, those titles i just listed on the PS3 are huge selling points. Along with blu-ray stomping HDDVD, the PS Home announcement, Little Big Planet, i think Sony IS back on the right track. The Wii is the system with NOTHING in the near future for it. I know mine is currently collecting dust.

Media (1)

Necrotica (241109) | more than 7 years ago | (#18339797)

For me, it's all about the media. I would have bought three PS3s by now at their current cost if they could provide a better media experience than XBMC. You'd think of all companies, Sony would "get it." However everything that I've read indicates that the media center in the PS3 is even worse than what's in the 360 - which is almost hard to believe, considering the piss-poor offering of the 360 media center.

I pledge right now to any Sony exec reading this - you provide me with a better XBMC than XBMC and I guarantee you two PS3s in my home. Until that time, fahgetaboutit.

It's the games, nothing more than that (1)

koreth (409849) | more than 7 years ago | (#18340075)

None of the current PS3 titles interest me enough to make me want to go buy the console. As soon as there are a few games I want to play, I'll go buy one. Doesn't get much simpler than that, and I imagine I'm not alone.

In particular, it's not about the price. Sure, if the price is lower by the time there are some games I like, I won't complain, but even if the price were $100 I probably still wouldn't buy one now -- I'd have a $100 box with no games I wanted to play, not much of an improvement over a $600 box with no games I want to play.

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