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Blu-ray Disc Among Top Selling DVDs at Amazon

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the wars-waged-at-the-cash-register dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "In a milestone for the next-gen disc format, the Blu-ray edition of 'Casino Royale' cracked the top ten on Amazon's DVD top sellers list upon its release Tuesday, peaking late in the evening at #8. Of course, the two-disc standard-def DVD still topped the chart at #1, but a strong showing for Blu-ray regardless."

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finally! (0, Troll)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346859)

Also in the news, Sony reiterates that it has won the high def dvd wars. The head PR Had the amazon.com stats page open and had this to say "LOOK! LOOK! SEE! WE ARE AUSOM!!!" as he pointed to casino royale.

Re:finally! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347057)

Sony reiterates that it has won the high def dvd wars.

Hard to deny this as evidence. While the war is far from over, Sony has effectively flanked HD-DVD by equiping it as standard on the PS3 (I know everyone else claims they are sitting on store shelves, but I've yet to see one), plus they've learned one lesson from the Beta days, Blu-Ray has more capacity than the competition this time.

Re:finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347253)

Come to Madison, WI. I haven't seen a Wii of course. I haven't seen a DS since November! There are PS3s in stock everywhere.

Because (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347751)

That's because you poor middle-US schmucks can barely afford food.

Re:finally! (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347863)

I was at the mall on Saturday and stopped by the game store. They had roughly 10 PS3s stacked up with a big neon sign saying "Units available today!"

They still can't keep a Wii in stock though.

Re:finally! (1)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348067)

In Sydney ebgames have a big sign saying 'Wii Back In Stock'. Too bad even the games are region locked.

Re:finally! (1)

jam244 (701505) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348271)

Blu-Ray has more capacity than the competition this time
ruh roh! [google.com]

Re:finally! (1)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348283)

so many comments about ps/3 and built-in BR drive. how about the xbox360 and the cheap add-on hddvd? it's cheaper and has more games and a mature online system.

I don't have either, I'm hoping to see a 360 with HDMI and integrated hddvd before I leap off the fence into one or other camp.

Now we just need... (3, Insightful)

eviloverlordx (99809) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346863)

...the ob Sony bashing posts complaining that it's a failure because it didn't beat the DVD release.

Re:Now we just need... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18346939)

There's no Sony bashing at all. FACTS prove that Blu-ray IS a failure. If it wasn't, Blu-ray releases would have outnumbered the DVD releases of the same movie.

Re:Now we just need... (2, Funny)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347091)

There's no Sony bashing at all. FACTS prove that Blu-ray IS a failure. If it wasn't, Blu-ray releases would have outnumbered the DVD releases of the same movie.

You appear to have found yourself lost in a delusional state.

Available commands:

Look, Eat, Hari kiri, Help

In all seriousness are you for real? If so you prove exactly the point of the OP.

Re:Now we just need... (1)

hax0r_this (1073148) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347903)

Theres no bashing Linux at all. FACTS prove that Linux IS a failure. If it wasn't, more computers would be running Linux than Windows. Theres no bashing Mac at all. FACTS prove that Macs IS a failure. If it wasn't, Mac sales would have outnumbered PC sales. Do I really need to continue?

Re:Now we just need... (3, Insightful)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347277)

That's somewhat akin to saying that CDs were a failure because they didn't sell as well as LPs when just a few people had CD players.

But it is.. (0, Flamebait)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346981)

This says nothing about the format and everything about the movie.

woo a popular bond movie making it to the top of the charts on release?! OMG CALL THE PAPERS!!

Re:But it is.. (1)

Wicko (977078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347837)

Nothing about the format? You must be right, I mean, these people buying the blu ray versions certainly arent going to play it on their blu-ray players now are they?

Re:But it is.. (3, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347911)

This says nothing about the format and everything about the movie.

woo a popular bond movie making it to the top of the charts on release?! OMG CALL THE PAPERS!!

Quite accurate. I have a blu-ray player (and HD-DVD), and my opinion of blu-ray is that Sony is just pushing releases out without a care on quality - honestly, some blu-ray movies are worse than if the DVD was upconverted (talladega nights anyone? My HD-DVD player did a much better job upconverting the DVD to 1080i than the PS3 did outputting a native 1080p (I have a 1080p TV) - honestly, the blu-ray version looked like someone recorded it to a VCR, then ran some lame upconverter on it, then ran the "blur" filter on it).

The good blu-ray I have is Employee of the Month, which at least looks decent. But I've had sharper images from HD-DVD (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory being particularly sharp). I don't understand it since blu-ray has so much more capacity (50GB vs. 30GB), so HD-DVD should theoretically have worse picture quality, worse extras, worse everything because it's space-constrained.

In the end, I just picked up the cheaper DVD version - there weren't much extras, but I don't have faith in blu-ray transfers (I've got a few blu-rays simply in the search of "high def"). Being two-thirds the price clinched the deal.

(I should note that in Canada, the pricing of the LG "Super Multi Blue" player is more expensive than a PS3 and a regular HD-DVD player (and still pricier if you gave up the HD-DVD standalone player for the Xbox380+HD-DVD drive), yet you get two better players (PS3 can do blu-ray iHD, and a proper HD-DVD player must be able to do iHD) in the bargain. LG's player doesn't do iHD, which is why there's no official HD-DVD *LOGO* on it. Just "HD-DVD" in fancy suggestive type.)

Re:Now we just need... (3, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347429)

Not only that, look at the stuff that's in the top 20 [amazon.com] . 2 versions of borat, 3 versions of Casino royale (including the Blu-Ray), Some diet DVD, The James Bond Box Set (I really can't see that selling to many copies at $180), and few other movies that look good, but not extraordinary. What are the actual sales numbers for Casino Royale BluRay, because it doesn't seem like it's beating anything taht I would expect to see selling more.

Re:Now we just need... (1)

Enry (630) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347947)

The James Bond Box Set (I really can't see that selling to many copies at $180)

It was selling on Amazon for $125 yesterday. That deal's done, but I'm sure the sales at $125/ea were enough to push its rank up.

Re:Now we just need... (2, Informative)

HistoricPrizm (1044808) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347975)

The James Bond box set was on a special "Gold Box" deal yesterday, at $125, so that would be why it jumped up in sales.

top ten (4, Funny)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346881)

They left out this part:

"Barely beating BARBIE MAGIC OF THE RAINBOW and EASTER BUNNY ADVENTURE.."

Re:top ten (1)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347021)

And you left the part out indicating how far behind the best HD DVD title was.

Re:top ten (4, Interesting)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347163)

I guess then it should be pointed out that you left the part out about the fact that there wasn't a major HD-DVD release in the same time frame.

This format war may well be decided by titles rather than player sales.

I still think HD-DVD has the best chance if they can make the hybrid disks (HD-DVD that will play in DVD players) a big enough deal to get the major publishers to completely switch to them on new releases.

Re:top ten (1)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347231)

Well, a thinking person would expect more blockbusters to be coming from 5 exclusive studios versus one, no?

So, your argument actually would imply blu-ray will continue it's momentum. It has the titles.

http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wa rs.asp?view=1 [dvdempire.com]

Re:top ten (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347273)

Not trying to sound like a fanyboy, but just pointing this out: You realize that hybrid disks have been developed for Blu Ray as well, right?

Re:top ten (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347545)

In fact I'm fairly sure there was a story on Slashdot a while back about a hybrid disk with all three formats in one disk.

Re:top ten (1)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347803)

There are no 3-format hybrid disks that I can find.

There are 3-format hybrid players. LG released the first one at CES. You may have missed it because it was during the iPhone launch.

Multi-format players really are a win for Blu-ray. Blu-ray disks tend to be slightly better than HD-DVD (usually they tie on video quality, but the low compression audio from the Blu-ray ends up being superior). Once the "expensive player" factors are removed, most consumer see bigger (incomprehensible, but bigger!) numbers on the Blu-ray side, see a brand that the vast majority of Americans identify with good electronics, and choose the Blu-ray.

Also, HD-DVD has the "shitty name" problem. I talked to my grandfather a few months ago and he asked me if I had a "HD-DVD player". I said, "Yes, I can play both HD-DVD and Blu-ray." He paused and said, "I thought Blu-ray was a HD-DVD." I talked to some other people of similar levels of tech literacy and I was surprised to find this happened many times.

Re:top ten (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348107)

Also, HD-DVD has the "shitty name" problem. I talked to my grandfather a few months ago and he asked me if I had a "HD-DVD player". I said, "Yes, I can play both HD-DVD and Blu-ray." He paused and said, "I thought Blu-ray was a HD-DVD." I talked to some other people of similar levels of tech literacy and I was surprised to find this happened many times.

Uh, you have that backwards, dude. Blu-Ray has the shitty name. It doesn't mean anything to anyone but a geek. And 99% of the people on the planet don't know the difference between infrared, red, and blue except the color (and the fact that one of them doesn't look like it's on. If they know that much.) HD-DVD has the good one. It's a DVD, but in HD. Your grandfather's response should have told you this much. "I thought Blu-Ray was a HD-DVD". What more need be said?

Re:top ten (1)

quigonn (80360) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347425)

This format war may well be decided by titles rather than player sales.

Well, since Sony spoke out against publishing porn on Blu-Ray (after HD porn producer Digital Playground had announced to do so), my bet is that Blu-Ray will lose, simply because there won't be any porn. The availability of porn is important. It was a key factor why VHS won the format war against BetaMax, and why DVDs caught on so quickly.

Re:top ten (2, Insightful)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347503)

I think you all are caught up in the 80s. Where do you get your pr0n from? That's right .. THE INTERNET! Physical media doesn't factor in so much nowadays.

And I just came back from a trip in Japan. So you say there are no blu-ray pr0n titles eh? Not what I saw.

You're 100% correct, Hybrid would win it for them (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347869)

I recently bought the Superman Returns HD-DVD even though I do not have an HD-DVD player. Why? Because it was a hybrid disc. Why pay $20 for a normal DVD when I can get the normal DVD AND the HD version for a few dollars more?

After that, I decided I am no longer wasting money on new single-format standard DVDs, since anything I buy now will be obsolete in 1-2 years, it would be a total waste of money. I will pick up a few previously played versions, perhaps, but that's it.

I really don't get why we aren't seeing more hybrid HD-DVD releases. It is a MAJOR benefit of HD-DVD. If the format backers pressured the studios to release more titles in hybrid format HD-DVD would gain so much ground against Blu-Ray that Blu-Ray would be dead in the water.

As far as Casino Royale goes - I rEALLY wanted this DVD. Too bad they are selling it Blu-Ray only - now I won't be buying it at all until I can get a used copy.

I am sure I am not alone either. Dumb move MGM.

Re:top ten (1)

Wicko (977078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347973)

I'm not sure how that would help their sales, if they can play on regular players doesn't that generally mean DVD quality anyway? Or at the very most, SuperBit Quality? Not sure where you are going with this.. what would make a consumer want to buy it?

Hybrid problems: (1)

norminator (784674) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348191)

I still think HD-DVD has the best chance if they can make the hybrid disks (HD-DVD that will play in DVD players) a big enough deal to get the major publishers to completely switch to them on new releases.

First they have to actively advertise hybrid discs, which they don't seem to do. It's bad enough that people don't really know about HD-DVD, nobody knows about hybrid disks.

Second, they need decent movies available on hybrids. Last I checked in Best Buy (in January), I could only find about 3, and one of those was The Lake House... not compelling stuff. I just went to Amazon and saw that Superman Returns, Happy Feet and The Departed are available on hybrid... so there's 3 movies out of the first two pages worth of HD-DVDs that I looked at.

Third, hybrid discs need to be equal in price (or maybe just a tiny bit above) to the regular HD-DVDs... this is a feature that could help HD-DVD win the format war, it's not something the HD-DVD camp can afford to charge a buttload extra for. I'd like to know how many people out there actually ponied up $40 for the Lake House! (Amazon lists is for $27.99 now, but the original retail price was $40.)

Re:Hybrid problems: (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348313)

Third, hybrid discs need to be equal in price (or maybe just a tiny bit above) to the regular HD-DVDs

If you really want the format to take off, the hybrid discs need to be equal in price (or many just a tiny bit above) to the regular DVDs.

Message to HD DVD Camp (1, Troll)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346909)

Where is your pr0n to save you now? Latest DVDEmpire stats have blu-ray selling 71%, with HD DVD in the 20's for the first time. Those that were too quick to discard blu-ray as the next beta will have a nice ample serve of humble pie waiting for them.

Re:Message to HD DVD Camp (3, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347067)

Yah, well, my dad can beat up your dad!

Re:Message to HD DVD Camp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347175)

Yeah, go line up to buy another box of shit from your Sony leaders. After all, they said that they could shit in a box and their fans would still buy it.

Re:Message to HD DVD Camp (3, Funny)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347323)

No, that's Electronic Arts.

Re:Message to HD DVD Camp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347537)

Steve Jobs said that

Re:Message to HD DVD Camp (1)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347747)

Yeah, go line up to buy another box of shit from your Sony leaders. After all, they said that they could shit in a box and their fans would still buy it.

OR...

How about if they made a superior disc format and people chose that? And it's not just Sony's format either. It's people like you who require football mascots and political figureheads as your only appear to be able to associate with simple icons. Your thinking appears to go along these lines, "I'll just say 'Sony' for all things evil, yeah, people should be able to understand that, and it will make me a lot of friends in my little Web 2.0 virtual enclosure I call a social life". You are the typical 'anti-conformist'-conformist automaton without a clue.

Re:Message to HD DVD Camp (2, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347709)

Where is your pr0n to save you now?

What? The ones being seeded or the ones in queue to download?

Seriously, I don't think porn is an issue these days because you can just download it for free or very easily for a small fee at certain sites.

People don't want to go into shady stores to buy porn if they don't want to.

However, I personally believe digital downloads will defeat both BluRay and HDDVD if given the chance by a major corporation.

Re:Message to HD DVD Camp (1)

zetsurin (993567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347797)

What? The ones being seeded or the ones in queue to download?

Umm, that was my point you know. The landscape has changed and pr0n makes no difference whatsoever. Yet, pr0n is the final clutching straw for those who are rooting (pun intended) for HD DVD.

Actually, I think Porn does matter here. (1)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347921)

Over the last few years, we've been seeing the appearance of very high production Porn. The movie Pirates (work safe link) [wikipedia.org] was an example of a high production quality movie that needed to recoup its costs via disc sales. And, having seen this movie, it's definitely interesting to have real costumes, real sets, and real sex. That is probably the future of the porn industry, and so disc sales matter.

But all that aside, the Blu-ray-resists-porn thing was only an unfounded rumor. There are several X-rated releases slated for Blu-ray.

Cue referral links (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346913)

Quick, be the first to give a referral link to Casino Royale! We might not be able to find it on Amazon without you!

Re:Cue referral links (1)

Skidge (316075) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347845)

Ok, since you asked, here you go [amazon.com] . :)

Seriously, though, I think that the top selling lists on Amazon are very time sensitive. I'll put on a conspiracy hat and say that if Sony execs decided to buy a bunch Casino Royale blue ray discs, it could make that disc jump up in the rankings.

Probably What Happened (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18346931)

Sony Employee "Sir, I did what you said and bought thousands of blue ray discs from amazon"

Sony Exec (in Mr. Burns Voice) "Excellent"

Re:Probably What Happened (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346987)

Why not? That's what the music label does.

Re:Probably What Happened (1)

Coco Lopez (886067) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348257)

I wonder if they're going to ask themselves [sonypictures.com] for a refund later?

Oh Great (4, Interesting)

Psx29 (538840) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346937)

This is just like when the SNES was ahead of PS3 on amazon right? I really don't think these numbers mean anything

Re:Oh Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347433)

This is just like when the SNES was ahead of PS3 on amazon right? I really don't think these numbers mean anything

Seeing as how the submitter explicitly mentions the "hd format wars", your statement is totally off. The POINT is that a BR title cracked the top 10 while there is not a HDDVD title in sight. As it's obvious that many of the other highly modded posts also miss this point, no one is claiming that this is somehow an indication that DVD is on the way out due to BR, merely that it appears that Sony has traction against their primary competitor in the HD disc format wars. And in that regard, the numbers are meaningful.

3 Titles in top 100 (4, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346957)

Well, since there are a total of 3 Blu-Ray titles in the top 100, forgive me for seeing this as a desperate pent-up demand for new titles.

Re:3 Titles in top 100 (4, Funny)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347533)

Really? All three Blu-Ray titles are in the top 100?

Kidding, of course, but the Blu-Ray selection, and the HD-DVD selection too for that matter is pretty terrible right now.

Re:3 Titles in top 100 (2, Interesting)

Jungleland (65157) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347897)

Agreed, as an early UK adopter of HD-DVD (because the xbox add-on is about a third of the price of blu-ray) I do find the current selection appalling and what little selection there is is usually out of stock :-(
If Casino Royale had been released on HD-DVD I would have been the first in-line.

I just hope "someone" wins the highdef war so we don't end up in the DVD-A/SACD situation where both formats appear to have lost.

That is indeed a really nice ranking (3, Informative)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 7 years ago | (#18346969)

Considering that, at this moment, the Amazon DVD top 100 is composed of 99 DVD (still including Firefly at #81, BTW) and 1 BR.

Re:That is indeed a really nice ranking (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347689)

Yes, so what. This is not about whether or not Blu-Ray is beating DVD, which we all know is not happening, will not happen for sometime, and maybe will never happen (I hope, I want them both to fail). It is about beating HD-DVD. Since this is still too early to tell for sure, and predicting the masses is tricky, we look for signs of the way most people are going. Have a top 10 selling movie is just one sign, that points in the favour of Blu-Ray winning this particulas war.

Like it or not, blame it on the PS3, but Blu-Ray seems to be more popular than HD-DVD. Whingeing and making excuses won't change this.

So, what was your point?

Re:That is indeed a really nice ranking (2, Insightful)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348117)

1-Apparently, this movie, being THE release of the week, sells more in its BR version than all the other high def disks combined, at least today.
2-This movie seems to be available only in DVD, BR and UMD, so imagine "300" or another very big hit is released only in DVD and HD-DVD because it comes from an anti-Sony studio (I don't know for "300", and I don't care, it is simply for the example), will we see the same kind of article the other way around in a couple of mounthes?

Blu-ray in Hong Kong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18346997)

At least at the HMV store in Central, Blu-ray discs occupy at least four times more shelf space than HD-DVD...

heh (5, Insightful)

smoondog (85133) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347061)

I think a lot of customers are going to be disappointed when their purchase doesn't play in their dvd player.

Parent += 1, .= Insightful (4, Insightful)

patio11 (857072) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347223)

My mother things BlueRay is a "new brand of DVD player, right?" I'd hate to be Amazon's customer service department explaining to people that they need to read carefully because the new Bond requires a new gadget to be able to play. Maybe if you beat somebody in a high-stakes poker game you'll be able to afford a BlueRay player... or at least the cable for one, which is a start.

Re:heh (4, Informative)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347935)

This is an interesting comment as my wife and I subscribe to the Blockbuster delivery service and I've had to take Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs off our queue quite a few times as my wife just adds the first version of the movie she sees. One time, she even had the DVD and Blu-Ray version of the same movie on our queue, but that's another story.

I'm not saying that Amazon shoppers are making obvious buying errors and that the disc has no right being in the top 10, more just pointing out that difference between DVD and the other formats isn't always obvious to non-techies.

Re:heh (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347999)

I think a lot of customers are going to be disappointed when their purchase doesn't play in their dvd player.
Perhaps, but I bet that number is going to be smaller than you might be thinking. If it were the HD-DVD version of a movie hitting that high of sales I'd guess a lot more customers were buying the wrong product - the term "BluRay" has to at least invoke hesitance before purchase.

PS3 (4, Interesting)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347069)

I know a lot of people probably don't use their PS2's as DVD players, but some do (I do). I think that once the PS3 starts rolling, Blue Ray will pick up some serious steam.

Re:PS3 (2, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347199)

I doubt it. I bought my PS3 because I wanted a cheap blue-ray device for the time being (my television does 1080p, which a lot of them are starting to support now). I didn't want to drop $1,000 on a high quality blue-ray player yet, until we see how things pan out.

The porn industry has already gone with HD-DVD so I think that clearly tells us where everything else is going. Either that or any decent player will support both and we'll just have two standards that are equally available and distributed.

Re:PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347621)

The porn industry has already gone with HD-DVD so I think that clearly tells us where everything else is going.

There was an article posted right here on /. that talked about the fact that the direction of the pron industry doesn't carry nearly as much weight as it used to. In this day of hi speed internet access, there is a ready supply of pron just a click away. No more late night trips to "_that_ video store", parking in the back and wearing your trench coat. Also, no more ordering a disc online and waiting for it to arrive. Back in the VHS vs Beta days, a video tape was pretty much the only remotely convenient way to get your p0rn, so the industries anointed format was a HUGE deal. Not so much any more.

Are you kidding? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347465)

The PS2 is an AWFUL DVD player. I mean AWFUL. It was so bad I went back to the $30 cheap-ass Chinese knockoff DVD player I bought at Walmart. The picture quality is low, the subtitles are so blocky they are almost unreadable.

Now however, I have an XBox 360 and it does an *awesome* job playing regular DVDs.

Re:Are you kidding? (2, Interesting)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348017)

Yeah, the PS2 wasn't so good. Still, for a lot of people it was a great value to have a DVD player and a game system in one box, if only because it was rare to have many component inputs until the last few years.

But just about every review of the PS3 you can read, including this one, says that the Xbox 360 is the next generation shitty-PS2-esque DVD player. The picture is grainy and ugly. Sony seems to have learned from their mistake on this one, the PS3 is just about the best non-upconverting DVD player I've ever seen, and I've owned a few.

Re:PS3 (1)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347531)

That is actually why I bought a PS3, as it was a cheap bluray player (relatively speaking).

I would not predict doom though for HDDVD quite yet. The article stated that this list is updated every hour. So a BluRay disc tops the top 10 for just one hour. Big deal. Its a huge movie and is going to sell well when it first goes on sale. My question is where did it stand in sales an hour later, the next day, and so forth. Is it even still in the top 100?

Re:PS3 (1)

stonefry (968479) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348053)

You are making the assumption that the PS3 WILL start rolling. That remains to be seen.

cracked the top 100 list (1)

Loconut1389 (455297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347101)

Perhaps cracked is more of an operating word than meant- I have to wonder if increased sales are in any way related to the cracking of the format (people not feeling so locked-in- so they can put the dvd on their ipod, etc).

Re:cracked the top 100 list (1)

danpsmith (922127) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347207)

Perhaps cracked is more of an operating word than meant- I have to wonder if increased sales are in any way related to the cracking of the format (people not feeling so locked-in- so they can put the dvd on their ipod, etc).

Why the hell would anyone buy a more expensive blu-ray disk and player to put it on their iPod when the cheaper DVD will definitely fill that need more simply?

Re:cracked the top 100 list (1)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347357)

What, you don't have one of the new iPods with a High Definition 3 inch screen?

Re:cracked the top 100 list (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347623)

Maybe because they want to watch it on their HDTV too?

whats the numbers (3, Insightful)

VEGETA_GT (255721) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347159)

If you can't tell me how many of these actualy sold then I am not interested. Was it 40 DVD's for #1 and 10 for #8 which means very little in the end. Or was it 10,000 for #1 and 8000 for number #8 spot. Knowing a standing in a chart means extreamly little unless you can give me the actual numbers sold.

also would like to point out that Blue Ray DVD's are much harder to find compared to standard DVD's that are even for sale in the local 7-11 including Casino Royale. This point could explain why it was bought more on amazon, as I can get the standard DVD any ware, but the blue ray and HD-DVD for that matter, are harder to find so would increase sales on things like amazon easily.

and yes this has been beaten to death point, but again more people have blue ray for the simple fact that its stock in PS3, not because a lot of people have bought specific players. From the numbers there is more stock HD-DVD players sold over stock Blue-Ray players. I just hope Sony realizes they need to avoid the fate of there Beta and actulay allow others to make Blue-Ray players, then they are in a position to actully win out.

Re:whats the numbers (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347401)

Yeah amazon's ranking is fairly useless. As the author of two shitastically non-selling books, I see my ranking jump inbetween 100 and 700k in the span of a day. Usually the result of a SINGLE SALE.

Lies!!! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347203)

Blu-Ray owners are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, HD-DVD is safe, protected.

shill ftw (1)

Fo0eY (546716) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347215)

In capitalist America, Sony anonymous reader writes you!

Price comparison: $15.99 vs $27.99 (1)

cainrandom (769300) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347217)

What I don't understand is the willingness to pay more than $10 over the price of the standard DVD for a disc that costs marginally more to manufacture... that's just signing up to be gouged. And at that price, who can afford more than the occasional purchase?

Re:Price comparison: $15.99 vs $27.99 (2, Insightful)

flynt (248848) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347311)

And at that price, who can afford more than the occasional purchase?

The same people who can afford a PS3 or other device to play them in, and a TV that can take advantage of it?

Re:Price comparison: $15.99 vs $27.99 (1)

dank zappingly (975064) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348097)

I don't know where you're getting your figures from about how it only costs marginally more to manufacture, usually people claim that the high manufacturing cost is a problem for Blu Ray, but lets assume that you are right. Why do DVD's cost more than VHS? Why do CD's cost more than cassettes? Why do hardcover books cost so much more than paperback? The reason is that only the medium is a commodity, the company has a virtual monopoly over the intellectual property stored on it. If you want to watch a movie, you have to pay what the maker of the movie wants to sell it for. Because it is a nice new technology, the manufacturer is pricing it higher than the old technology in order to make a profit. If people decide to buy something else or are content with the old technology, then they won't buy them and eventually the price will come down. Considering that the cheapest Blu Ray player is 600 dollars right now($500 if you snagged one of the few 20GB PS3's) , I would say that most people who bought them can probably afford to pay an extra 10 bucks per disc. If you like your old disc, or don't want to pay for a newer disc, then go for it. Some people feel that the high definition is worth an extra 10 dollars as evidenced by how well the disc is selling.

Re:Price comparison: $15.99 vs $27.99 (3, Interesting)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348111)

People who can afford the PS3 and a high-definition television (and maybe a 10x overpriced cord, if they don't wise up).

Seriously, for someone with a large HDTV, Blu-ray turns movis from a grainy experience with mediocre sound and washed out colors into a theater-quality experience. If your TV is larger than 40", 16:9(or 10) aspect, a high-def source is pretty much necessary to lot look blurry and grainy.

I don't own many Blu-ray discs, but I do own a few, and they are awesome to behold.

Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

lxmeister (570131) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347233)

I'm from the UK and I was surprised to see that most films seem to be released on DVD in both widescreen and fullscreen versions in the US. This doesn't really happen in the UK.

Here almost all the films just come out in widescreen form and if you want to play on a 4:3 TV most DVD players give you the option of playing the DVD either in letter box or plan and scan. Is there a good reason for the difference?

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

danpsmith (922127) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347383)

I'm from the UK and I was surprised to see that most films seem to be released on DVD in both widescreen and fullscreen versions in the US. This doesn't really happen in the UK. Here almost all the films just come out in widescreen form and if you want to play on a 4:3 TV most DVD players give you the option of playing the DVD either in letter box or plan and scan. Is there a good reason for the difference?

I'm guessing that fullscreen has returned due to popular demand. Most of our DVD players don't have a good pan&scan feature (at least the cheap ones). Our country has a large section of backwards people and because they don't ever buy new anything they expect companies to get in line with their old technological preferences. The long and the short of it, of course, is people like me buy the fullscreen version of departed without realizing it (because I didn't even realize they still MADE fullscreen DVDs on a separate disc without also including the widescreen version) and have widescreen TVs and still have to zoom to get a full picture.

A few years ago it was hard to buy a fullscreen version of a DVD, but it seems they've had a resurgence. This is probably due to people buying apex and other cheap DVD players at walmart without decent pan&scan features and then whining about not being able to see the whole picture. Personally, I don't understand why both sides of the disc aren't utilized to provide hybrid versions like on some movies, but whatever. Now I'm stuck with a fullscreen version of a movie I wanted in widescreen.

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347437)

A good reason? No. A really stupid reason? Yes. There are more Americans who bitch about letterboxing not showing the whole movie like Fullscreen versions do, because they have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

Although I have to admit I can't imagine how your DVD player can really do "Pan and Scan" automatically on a widescreen disk. Just chopping off the sides of the image doesn't involve any panning or scanning, and you'd need pretty good AI to know exactly where to pan for the optimal chopped off image.

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

Skater (41976) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347877)

It seems to me that it would've been easy to encode the pan-and-scan information (each frame would need a set of coordinates for the upper left, and even that could be further compressed since it doesn't change for each frame) in the datastream so that a DVD player could know what to play in fullscreen mode, while the rest of us could watch the widescreen version. Cheaper, too.

Are DVDs capable of that? I'm sure *someone* thought of it during the DVD design...

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348163)

Are DVDs capable of that? I'm sure *someone* thought of it during the DVD design...

No, they aren't. You don't get an offset. The way that this is actually implemented is that the movie is on there twice. Once in letterbox or anamorphic format, once in 4:3 format. Any disc with both versions on one side is a dual-layer DVD, although that's SOP these days, unlike the earliest moments of DVD.

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

Skater (41976) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348247)

Actually the ones I have that have both versions (such as Princess Bride) you have to flip the disc over.

I prefer widescreen, and avoid pan-and-scan versions, so it doesn't really bother me, but I've always thought my proposal would've been a cool feature of DVDs.

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

ynohoo (234463) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347453)

because in the UK most DVD purchasers are smart enough to know that "Fullscreen" mean the sides of the frame have been hacked off, as opposed to USA morons who complain about about the "missing bits" of the frame in the black bits of the screen when watching in wide-screen.

Which is not to say that the UK has a shortage of morons, as indicated by your comment.

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

Fortissimo (45876) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347525)

Yep. I can't tell you the number of people I've heard complain about the "black bars" at the top and bottom of the screen. The difference in the formats, which seems Kindergarten easy to comprehend, is way beyond a lot of folks.

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347559)

Well, I'm from europe myself, but from what I have read on TV related forums the argument is always that people "didn't pay to watch black bars". Don't know why they don't simply zoom the picture. It's interesting that since the arrival of all the expensive widescreen HD-TVs the same people started demanding that everything should be filmed in 16:9, because with 2.35:1 movies they still have black bars.

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347631)

Isn't this due to the different amount of space on a dvd vs blu-ray? The Blu-ray disc can easily hold a couple of different formats for the film, whereas the dvd can't.

Re:Widscreen/Fullscreen Editions (1)

PenguinGuy (307634) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348015)

I only get widescreen if I can. The only times that I don't mind getting fullscreen is if the DVD is for a TV show or it's a movie for my daughter (since she doesn't care about the whole wide versus full screen thing).

but Blu-Ray isn't DVD (4, Insightful)

58797A7A79 (795378) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347387)

...but.. Blu-Ray isn't DVD. Blu-Ray is Blu-Ray. Just like DVD isn't CD, it's DVD. That's like saying that this USB pen drive is the best CD-ROM format thus far.

Re:but Blu-Ray isn't DVD (2, Insightful)

jfengel (409917) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347785)

But it does show that there is some demand for Blu-Ray discs (or at least, people who think they want one; let's see how many are returned once people realize they can't play them in a standard DVD player).

If it is real, then it shows that format shift from DVD to one or the other format may actually happen. That wasn't a foregone conclusion. Reading previous Slashdot discussions you get the impression that nobody was interested in the new features, especially not at the cost of having to put up with a new DRM format.

I don't think this necessarily shows that Blu-Ray will beat out HD-DVD; both formats are just starting. But if significant numbers of copies are sold of either format, it means that the whole concept isn't necessarily DOA.

Re:but Blu-Ray isn't DVD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18348123)

...but.. Blu-Ray isn't DVD. Blu-Ray is Blu-Ray. Just like DVD isn't CD, it's DVD. That's like saying that this USB pen drive is the best CD-ROM format thus far.

Gotta love /., low expectations I guess.

How is your statement even remotely insightful. BR is a video disc format, just like DVD is. CD is an audio disc format, saying that comparing BR and DVD is like comparing DVD to CD is waaay off base. It's obvious that the term "DVD" is taken here to mean "video disc format" and not necessarily literally a DVD. Similar to how everyone started calling video tapes "VHS" once VHS became the dominant format. So complain all you want about the imprecise language, but the point is still valid. In a comparison of top 10 video disc titles sold, BR had one title at #8.

Re:but Blu-Ray isn't DVD (1)

init100 (915886) | more than 7 years ago | (#18348135)

Blu-Ray isn't DVD. Blu-Ray is Blu-Ray.

I agree, but Amazon et al. obviously don't. They put it under the DVD category, as well as calling the format DVD (Blu-Ray) in several places.

Very telling bit (FTA) (1)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347605)

it should be noted that two other editions of 'Casino Royale' (both standard-def DVD) also cracked the top ten yesterday -- the wide screen two-disc version (at #1) and the full screen two-disc version (at #10)

So, BR version at #8, HD at #1 and HD fullscreen at #10.

(Jack Sparrow) "Humm, that's interesting" (/JS)

The pedant in me wonders what the widescreen breakdown is? I dunno how popular 4:3 is vs 16:9, but owning a 16:9
tv and seeing non 16x9 titles *sometimes* keeps me from buying it on rare occasion.
But, I love how the box states "the black bars are normal"...Uh, no, for my screen the black bar look stupid.

What I find amusing is something like "Fearless" in the original chinese release was 16:9, but the american
release was 4:3...ugh, I'd rather watch the chinese release with subs, than 4:3 with dubbing, personally.

Still, either format is just not tripping my trigger, and even after over a year of ownership of my plasma tv,
if I ever 'regret' buying one, that is easily taken care of by firing up my lowly 480/720p display and putting
in any Pixar flic, Final Fantasy, BSG or Firefly in all their 16x9 glory.

So, while this is good'ish news for BR, I suppose, for the rest of 'us', it is a non event for HD/BR, IMO.

Re:Very telling bit (FTA) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347675)

You need to shop around more.

I have the american region 1 release of Fearless on DVD and it's 16:9 and has subs.

mo3 do_wn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18347637)

filE w4s opened

How is that possible? (0, Redundant)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347719)

A blue ray disc isn't a DVD !

But... (1)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 7 years ago | (#18347989)

<pedant>technically it's a Blu-ray disk, not a DVD.</pedant>
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