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The Commodore Comeback at CeBIT

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the old-skool-new-skool dept.

PC Games (Games) 160

Peter Malford writes "Earlier this month Slashdot reported on Commodore's return with new gaming PCs that would be officially announced at CeBIT. Cnet.co.uk has got a first look at the four new models called the XX, GX, GS and G. "The high-end XX packs enough grunt to make an Alienware machine run to its deformed alien mum. It uses an Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 quad-core processor, 4GB of RAM and two Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX graphics cards running in tandem... Commodore uses what it calls a 'revolutionary painting process' to make them look pretty damn gorgeous." Commodore also officially launched the Gravel In Pocket PMP and unveiled some new Gravel devices, one that has a 4" screen and one that features a built-in GPS receiver."

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160 comments

Wha? (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377317)

The high-end XX packs enough grunt to make an Alienware machine run to its deformed alien mum.

Alienware is not a serious competitor. At least not any longer. They're just another Dell brand.

Also, it's probably worth noting that the really high end systems are often hand-built. That way you can get both the hardware you want, and the case design you want. Many of the 'Gaming PCs' tend to be targeted at the market of wannabes who have too much money and not enough sense.

Commodore uses what it calls a 'revolutionary painting process' to make them look pretty damn gorgeous.

I'm so sorry, am I missing something here? Because "pretty damn gorgeous" is not how I'd describe these machines. "Pretty damn hideous" is a bit closer. "Treading on someone else's memories and goodwill to make a buck" is even better. "Looking li-"

OMFG! What the hell is that Giana Sisters [commodoregaming.com] skin!?!?! ('scuse me, C-Kin)

My beautiful sisters [lemon64.com] ! What has become of you!?! I... I... I...

I think I need to go now. If you'll pardon me. I... need to find the nearest restroom before I hurl.

Re:Wha? (1)

vought (160908) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377411)

These cases hardly seem revolutionary, despite the ability to interchange "skins".

Revolutionary...now that might be adding handles to the case to make it easier to bring the machine to a LAN party...or making the case a different shape...or something like that. Something at least useful.

But this is a regular old square PC with a skin on it. Not revolutionary. Just different.

Re:Wha? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377985)

I've seen cases with handles before, that wouldn't be revolutionary either.

revolutionary handles (1)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378267)

The full-tower PS/2 models had a great handle that folded into the top of the case.

Now that was a SOLID case, must have been bulletproof. Google tells me they weighed ~24 kilograms.

http://www.silicium.org/ibm/ibm/ibmps2mod80.htm [silicium.org]

http://www.oldcomputers.arcula.co.uk/intl1.htm [arcula.co.uk]

Re:revolutionary handles (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378883)

I have a Model 80 somewhere in storage. The thing weighs a ton. Sure you could carry it with one hand, but your going to be damn tired and your leg is going to be pretty beat up. It was a pretty cool case to check out if you get a chance. Air flow "tubes" inside and everything.

Supercritical gaming (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377503)

Lighten up a little, Batman. Nostalgia has a great purpose in life. We can always mod the case (make our own C-kin) and the internal cards at a later date. I'm guessing it's not all integrated.

I want one of each so that I can test a home-grown aLFS [linuxfromscratch.org] in parallel.

You're right about the Giana Sisters C-kin. WTH?

Re:Supercritical gaming (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377795)

Lighten up a little, Batman. Nostalgia has a great purpose in life.

I fail to see the nastolgia in this. I have a Commodore 64 sitting at home. This new behometh looks nothing like it, nor does it evoke any sense of the original. Nor is it even close to the grace of the Amiga. So I'd say, "treading on memories and goodwill" is pretty close, wouldn't you?

We can always mod the case (make our own C-kin) and the internal cards at a later date. I'm guessing it's not all integrated.

Um. Okay?

It's a box. That's painted. If that appeals to you, good for you! To each their own. But it still has nothing to do with Commodore. It's just a label slapped on an unreleated company to generate press.

I'm not really sure why you're mentioning expansion cards. I have no doubt that these are internally expandable. Just like you'd expect any machine of these specs to be. I also have no doubt that they'll be incredibly expensive, and highly impractical when compared to what you could custom-build for less. *shrug*

You're right about the Giana Sisters C-kin. WTH?

Please do not take this as sarcasm, because it is not intended as such. Thank You! I was worried that I'd get jumped on for "not liking Japanamation" or something screwy like that. My only concern is that the case design shown is not the Giana Sisters. That looks more like Pokemon with a new name slapped on it.

Re:Supercritical gaming (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378043)

So I'd say, "treading on memories and goodwill" is pretty close, wouldn't you?
Well, ummm, yeah... but it has a C= logo on it! It's turtles all the way down!

it still has nothing to do with Commodore
They bought the C= logo!

just a label slapped on an unreleated company
I've tried polling for more corporate geneology here [slashdot.org] .

I also have no doubt that they'll be incredibly expensive
You're probably right--but I'm in La Jolla, CA. *looks around* What, is there a shortage of money in this town? They even have a job opening on the ethics commission [slashdot.org] .

you could custom-build for less
Now that's a really good point. I've always preferred to buy as many no name parts as possible and build my own.

That looks more like Pokemon
I have no problem with anime, but make it good [google.com] anime [google.com] .

Re:Supercritical gaming (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378375)

Well, ummm, yeah... but it has a C= logo on it! It's turtles all the way down!

You know what I just realized? My current sig suggests a business model that makes better use of the Commodore name than these guys are. What an interesting coincidence that ended up being.

Fair use (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378439)

Maybe you could buy the logo from them? If you first secure multibillion dollar government contracts to sell your new invention to school districts across the nation you could probably gain the support of government attorneys who could possibly wrestle the logo, based on some little known legal nitpick, away from them.

Re:Supercritical gaming (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379065)

>> it still has nothing to do with Commodore
>They bought the C= logo!

So? I could draw a C= logo on my laptop now and it would have precisely as much in common with the Commodore of old as any "official" product.

Brilliant! (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379197)

I could draw a C= logo on my laptop now
Now that you mention it, that's a great idea.

Re:Wha? (2, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377515)

I'd love to buy a high-end Commodore gaming rig, presuming it is about as cheap as building it myself. I have never bought a pre-built machine in my life (except for laptops, of course). I would not mind letting someone else handle the trouble and hassle of the process of putting the components together for me, but I have yet to find thoroughly high-end and high-quality gaming rigs that are not significantly cheaper to build on my own. If they charged within about $100 of what I would pay for the parts via Newegg and Pricewatch, I might seriously consider them. Otherwise, I'll just continue to do it the old fashioned way.

As for how the machines look. Well, I really don't care. I didn't really get into the habit of bothering putting the sides on my cases until the last few years. It's a computer; not some lame honda accura that I have to give a fast-looking paintjob to so it doesn't look like it's a lame honda accura. The case you linked to is... ugh. I don't even know what the hell that is supposed to be. It looks like a retarded lego from a Ritalin-high toddler's bedroom. Eeew!

I prefer my machines to look... um... well, like machines. My newest case is the Cooler Master 832 and that is pretty damn close to the most appealing case I've ever had (even if it is $250). It's not as square and boxy as I'd prefer, but at least it's just a plain aluminum box.

Re:Wha? (1)

jbrader (697703) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378787)

You probably already know this but Lian-Li makes delightfully boxy cases.

Re:Wha? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378875)

Yeah, but I found that my enormous heatsink didn't want to fit into the ones I tried. In fact, the only way it fits in this VERY WIDE coolermaster is by taking out the side fan in the upper-left of the panel!

Sure would like a place that will build high-end pre-built gaming rigs with quality parts of my choosing for about the same I could build it manually... and without all the idiotic crap like a laser-etched anime character on it or something. I mean, I'm a gamer -- I'm not a retarded four year old.

Actually, I take that back. I post on Slashdot... so I'm not entirely unlike retarded four year old, either. :)

Re: Hurl (1)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377563)

Okay, so the "Classic" skins are fugly. But check out some of the other ones in the C-Kin library [commodoregaming.com] . I wouldn't mind having this one [commodoregaming.com] grace my compy at all.

Re:Wha? (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377879)

Many of the 'Gaming PCs' tend to be targeted at the market of wannabes who have too much money and not enough sense.

Now there's a statement that could be generalized almost indefinitely.

"Pretty damn hideous" is a bit closer. "Treading on someone else's memories and goodwill to make a buck" is even better.

I have fond memories of my C=64 and Amigas. Why the hell someone would buy the Commodore name just to drag it through the (brightly painted) mud just boggles the mind.

Re:Wha? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378631)

Maybe they're vaguely related to Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould and just live to piss people off who have any love for what Commodore's engineers were creating...

I mean, we're geeks. We love great engineering. We saw the amazing stuff coming out of Commodore and we appreciated its underlying beauty. If we, as geeks, had taken over Commodore, it would be producing absolutely stunning, beautiful, powerful hardware, that works in a different but better way than anything anyone else does.

But we're not exactly the group of people who has the money to engage in that kind of take-over. To have that kind of money, to have the skills to swindle - er, I mean, convince - investors, to launch marketing campaigns full of hollow promises, to be able to get it organized such that the hardware actually comes out of the factory, regardless of how bad it is, you need a combination of PHB genetics and downright hollow cynicism not present in anyone whose heart skips a beat when they see the prompt:

1.Workbench:>

or

READY.

It was inevitable. The brand could never be launched except by people impressed with, and similar to, the cynics who ran it into the ground.

I wonder when their first Chapter 11 filing will be?

Re:Wha? (1)

ehrichweiss (706417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378975)

Speaking of a takeover. If you recall, Commodore's assets originally sold for a mere $23 million. That seems high until you look at it that each Amiga user could have donated about $1 and owned the company. It'd have sucked majorly to try to get anything done with it but it'd still have been more productive than the Escom/Gateway/who-the-hell-ever-else-there-was combo that managed to turn Commodore/Amiga into the non-innovative, umm, company it is today.

Re:Wha? (1)

The PS3 Will Fail (998952) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378101)

"I'm so sorry, am I missing something here? Because "pretty damn gorgeous" is not how I'd describe these machines."
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Arguing over whether these machines are good looking or not is a foolish use of time. You're never going to change anyone's opinion.

""Treading on someone else's memories and goodwill to make a buck" is even better."
That statement, on the other hand, is spot on and summarizes the whole thing.

Re:Wha? (1)

Like2Byte (542992) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378359)

HA HA!

I agree with what you said. Using your link, turn the machine over and its feet are little commodore symbols. I wonder if they're expecting that little symbol to carry their weight, too. (obviousness alert) Cute finishing touch, though. :)

Re:Wha? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378643)

I think that Giana Sisters design does look closer to the sprites than the official box art. I'm not sure it's the right style to draw them in but they did have huge heads and eyes in the game as well as a bow. The original box art reminds me of Megaman 1.

too bad... (1)

Paolo DF (849424) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377331)

too bad that it looks like just another PC clone. Well, a very good clone, it seems, however...

Re:too bad... (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377895)

too bad that it looks like just another PC clone.
Well, a very good clone, it seems, however...
I was using Atari 800XL back in the day and we hated Commodore 64 but it really hurts to see poor thing became a brand for "Gaming PC".

Re:too bad... (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378055)

Atari sucks! Amiga rewlz!

Re:too bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18378455)

At the Atari user group meetings back in the early 80s I attended, we all thought them Apple ][ fellers were a bit too fancy smancy and such, which made the C= folk our friends (by reason the enemy of my enemy...)

Even my neighbor (who owned a C= Pet) joked that if he bought an Apple ][ he would feel obligated to wallpaper and carpet his garage for it. Some impressions never change I suppose...

Hubba hubba (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377333)

I love the modular case design. It won't be long until users begin creating their own C-kin panels.

We need more information in the about us [commodoregaming.com] section:

Having acquired the Commodore brand in late 2005 as part of a joint venture with Commodore International Corporation, Commodore Gaming aims to re-establish the brand as a leader in its industry.
Who was it that ponied up the cash to buy the old C= logo? Are they at all related (by blood or money) to the people who drove CBM into the ground? How is CIC related to the former CBM? Are they interacting with the current owners of Amiga Technologies (if that still exists)? How long until they make laptops?

I want one... or four.

Re:Hubba hubba (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377699)

Make me a 68060 based Amiga laptop with the AGA chipset, with a 1472 x 566 pixel TFT, and I'm sold. :)

Re:Hubba hubba (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377973)

Did the 68060 ever make mass production? After the A4k we were going to see, at various stages, HP-PA RISC chip based Amigas, 68060 Amigas, DEC Alpha (and then Motorola became involved with Alpha development as well), and PPC based Amigas. AGA was to be replaced with AAA, wasn't it?

Re:Hubba hubba (1)

Shemmie (909181) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378011)

Yum! I'll order a couple of those.

No relation at all (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378041)

Are they at all related (by blood or money) to the people who drove CBM into the ground?
Not in the least. The Commodore name and logo has changed hands many, many times. [wikipedia.org]

Re:No relation at all (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378209)

I lost track after Escom though I recognize the Tulip name from the kernel NIC drivers that I've had to compile.

Re:No relation at all (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378803)

Hell, I think I may have owned the name at one point.

Re:Hubba hubba (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18378159)

I want one... or four.

This link will help you get one, or four, of those. [target.com]

But only if you don't smoke a bunch of weed before the interview, or get arrested for public intoxication, or trespassing, or missing your court date.

You might also want a shower, first impressions being so important and all.

Failing that, you could also try this place [walmartstores.com] . You're definitely qualified, if they ask you if you can handle the greeters' job you can regale them with tales about how you attempted to valiantly save the library doors from being pulled on.

And if you fail that, maybe The third time will be the charm? [todaycorp.com]

Employees eat free, you know.

Use an account (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378251)

This link
I'm not qualified for that job.

this place
I'm not qualified for that one either.

You're definitely qualified
You're an Anonymous Coward. You have no authority to speak on my qualifications.

The third time
I'm not qualified for that one either.

Coward.

Re:Use an account (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18378437)

I'm not qualified for that job.

 
They hire 16 year olds with no prior experience and train them, I'm sure you'd have a chance.
 
 

You're an Anonymous Coward.


Calumny!
 
 

You have no authority to speak on my qualifications.


Anyone who can read your riveting [slashdot.org] tales of harassing people about pulling on locked doors can easily come to the logical conclusion that you obviously have the skills to be a Wal-Mart Greeter.
 
 

I'm not qualified for that one either.

 
You are incapable of mopping a floor? MickeyD's also hires, and trains, 16 year old kids with no prior experience.

After all, according to your resume [slashdot.org] you *can* mop floors. Hey maybe Olive Garden will take you back. Did you leave on good terms?
 
 

Coward.


Bum.

Re:Use an account (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378509)

They hire 16 year olds with no prior experience and train them
My age disqualifies me.

Calumny!
The assertion is not unsupported. You claim "Anonymous Coward" as your nickname.

you obviously have the skills to be a Wal-Mart Greeter
My age disqualifies me.

MickeyD's also hires, and trains, 16 year old kids
My age disqualifies me.

Bum
That's calumny [m-w.com]

Coward.

Kilrsat is half-homosexual (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18378341)

That's why Jason only responds as AC. Tell us about the last time you took one in the pooper for the team, Jayboi.

Preloaded... (1)

jojoba_oil (1071932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377419)

Okay, so I went to check out the "pretty damn gorgeous", saw their site, and clicked on the arrow for the XX. Looking towards the bottom of the page I saw the best thing ever:

Preloaded with a C64 emulator, containing more than 50 classic games

Why do you need all that processing power for 50 classic C64 games? I mean, don't get me wrong, I love C64 games. But why would I buy a quad-core, 2xGPU computer for that? I was kinda hoping for a computer more in the spirit of the original commodore (of course updated), not just another prebuilt set of computers. I'd rather just buy the C64 DTV and continue building my own computers...

Re:Preloaded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18377677)

Why do you need all that processing power for 50 classic C64 games?
Because YOU CAN? Surely, for most daily tasks nobody needs a 8800 video card. But that has never stopped anyone from buying one for the sake of having one.

Re:Preloaded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18377887)

Surely, for most daily tasks nobody needs a 8800 video card

Vanguard, saga of timesinks.

Re:Preloaded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18377683)

Assuming that someone would buy one of these for the C64 emulator is just being deliberately obtuse.

Re:Preloaded... (1)

jojoba_oil (1071932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377843)

It's the only feature distinguishing it from other prebuilt-computers, bar case skins. There's a reason I mentioned building my own anyways; it's usually much cheaper for an equivalent system. The only time I've seen any reason to think about buying prebuilt is when they include components that are exclusively sold via one vendor for a few months.

I like my computers the same as I like my cars: don't look like much, but perform like a beast. The rest just seems a little too much like ego-stroking rice-rocketry.

Re:Preloaded... (1)

failure-man (870605) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377783)

I'd buy one for sure if you could punch a key combination at POST to get a little flashing cursor and then type "GO 64". It would really be a Commodore then.

Commodore 64 is emulated (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378749)

I'd buy one for sure if you could punch a key combination at POST to get a little flashing cursor and then type "GO 64". It would really be a Commodore then.
Isn't that what VICE is for?

Funny English (3, Insightful)

Knertified (756718) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377429)

"We Open Store Mid April!" "You have dedicated time for your gaming and you want the edge that gaming supreme will give you." "The Commodore gaming extreme takes your frag count to a whole new level with this high performance..." Why does this remind if me "all your base are belong to us?"

Re:Funny English (1)

writermike (57327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378479)

YOU PAY LATER!

Finally! (2, Funny)

rmckeethen (130580) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377475)

Thank you Commodore, for putting out a new system actually capable of running Vista right out of the box!

Re:Finally! (1)

Fraktyl (673488) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377841)

Unfortunately, that system will be crippled under Vista since the nVidia drivers do not support SLI currently.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18379185)

Ah, but there is SLI support for the 8800's in the drivers, just nothing else.

cold dead fish (3, Funny)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377531)

"Gravel in Pocket"?

I'm speechless.

Instead of a whole box... (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377541)

...can we get hold of that machine emulator thingy separately and install it on our home box? I'd definitely pay for that, but not for the whole box (which is kinda useless in my home office, stuffed to the gills w/ machinery as it is...)

/P

Re:Instead of a whole box... (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377923)

"Machine emulator thingy"? To emulate what? Aren't these just standard Windows machines with a nostalgic logo attached?

Re:Instead of a whole box... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378025)

...can we get hold of that machine emulator thingy separately and install it on our home box?

What, like this? [viceteam.org] I thought everyone knew about VICE? You can (legally!) get all the ROMs you want at C64.com [c64.com] . And if you want real C64 hardware, it costs less than $20 [wikipedia.org] . Oh, and you can mod it to your heart's desire without feeling bad about it. ;-)

Gravel (4, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377551)

Ok, I'm back. Looking at the "Gravel" (who names this stuff?), I'm much more impressed by it than I am their PC offerings. The CNet article shows a very compact device that appears to be well suited to portable television applications. I must say that I'm impressed. At least with the form factor and control scheme. The memory size seems to be a bit of a show-stopper, though. It doesn't take much to fill up 2 GB (or even 4 GB) of storage. With iPod videos starting at 30GB, this thing looks woefully small for the task.

Of course, that's something that can always be fixed in future revisions. If it's going to fail in the marketplace, it will be because it lacks content. No media player ever sells without content. And with Apple sewing up the downloadable television/movie market, I'm not sure where that leaves the Gravel. (Groveling, perhaps?) It's a neat device irrespective of its Commodore branding, but I sincerely hope that The New Commodore(TM) has some content distribution deals in the works.

Re:Gravel (1)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378079)

Or cost. There's always cost.

Re:Gravel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18378099)

iPods start at 30GB because they have a 1.8 inch harddisk built in... Coming from experience, over 40 GB these things get so bulky you don't easily get them inside any device this size (replace *not easily* by *never* at your convenience)...

Re:Gravel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18378241)

Coming from experience, over 40 GB these things get so bulky you don't easily get them inside any device this size (replace *not easily* by *never* at your convenience)...

Excuse me, but how then does Apple market an 80 gig iPod? An 80gigger, I might add, that is thinner than the all the previous generations of iPod?

Re:Gravel (1)

don.dwoske (1076721) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378697)

I would buy a Gravel without hesitating if it could : - boot into C64 mode - play C64 games, w/joystick and 'fire' button - I could use a wireless or mini-USB keyboard with it for other games and programming

More black slabs (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377561)

The PCs are a bit dull really. Would have been nice if they could run a different OS and have radically different hardware but I guess it's not 1985 anymore.

That Gravel media player looks kinda cute though.

Not enough to make me buy Commodore again (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377591)

Big flipping deal. These PCs are not the Commodore that I knew and loved from my teenage years.

The only way I'll buy another Commodore computer for gaming is if it's a PC in an original-looking Commodore 64-style case. There have been PCs-in-a-keyboard [cybernetman.com] for a while now, and the C64 was a hefty-sized unit. Modding a PC into a C64-style case should be completely possible, barring some necessary key changes, like F1-F12 keys instead of the C64's F1-F8. Slim-line DVD drives and 2.5" hard drives should make it that much more likely to be a successful mod. Put USB ports where the joyticks ports were, ExpressCard port or extra PCI slot where the cartridge port was, and so on. Hell, I wouldn't doubt if someone's already done it.

Needless but appropriate extras like a Commodore emulator and C64-like startup screen would be great, kitsch add-ons. I know, these can be added by some downloads from numerous places, but it would be cool to add it.

Otherwise, the only people who are old enough to remember the golden days of the C64 are most likely building their own PCs and therefore have no need for these "Commodore" computers. Don't bother whistling Bach's Invention #13. This is a Commodore in name only.

Commodore emulator included (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377637)

Okay, I missed that in the article. My bad. It still doesn't make these PCs Commodores.

Re:Not enough to make me buy Commodore again (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377903)

What if they put BASIC in the BIOS?

C64 ROM at bootup (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378049)

I know you're saying that to be a smart ass, but actually that's a really cool idea. Make it a dual-boot system at power-up. Hold down the C= key at power-up to immediately boot into an emulator-on-a-chip that could be upgraded as necessary -- full C64 BASIC that could access .d64/.t64 images over a FAT-formatted USB drive or floppy disk. Otherwise, if you don't press the C= key it will boot up like any other PC.

For the people who grew up using the C64 back when it was in its prime, it would probably be enough nostalgia to sway a lot of them to buy it.

Re:Not enough to make me buy Commodore again (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378851)

If you want to know what they should really do, read the second page of my latest blog article [intelligentblogger.com] . I didn't realize it before, but it seems I came prepared for this article! :P

Re:Not enough to make me buy Commodore again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18378971)

So quit bitching about it and build one!
Oh, and post pics :p

Retro (1)

gx5000 (863863) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377595)

I'd love to get one of these XX riggs and set it up RetroStyle
with the Beige colouring and the heavy set Keyboard (that used to be the whole unit...)
Wonder how well the new 8800 Nvidia drivers are doing....
Man, Us fan will sure be dating ourselves...yes I'm over 40.. lol

Re:Retro (1)

tresstatus (260408) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378591)

Man, Us fan will sure be dating ourselves...
don't worry... most people on slashdot "date" themselves too.

pc gamers (1)

beando (1074553) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377657)

well if they trully think about pc gamers, they should think about the gamers themselves. be a gamer instead and not just some company that targets people who awes at colorfull pieces. what does the gamers want? higher capability to run graphics and such is one of the main reasons. gamers also would like to bring their own cpu to tournaments if that is permitted. the different between this type of casings is that its only for the looks, a trend amongst developing company nowadays which doesnt fullfill the expected urge among consumers or customers. "They're not cheap, nasty plastic things, either -- Commodore uses what it calls a 'revolutionary painting process' to make them look pretty damn gorgeous." its not cheap, and its horribly wrong, the paintings i mean.

bleh (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377797)

OMG WOW a 800W box to play video games. Good thing to know my 300mW gameboy can play games too.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Or are people incapable of learning that lesson?

Tom

Re:bleh (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377969)

OMG WOW a 800W box to play video games. Good thing to know my 300mW gameboy can play games too.

But can your gameboy heat your den?

Re:bleh (2, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378001)

Who needs heat? Parents basement is comfortable year-round! :-(

The LOGO (2, Interesting)

Paolo DF (849424) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377801)

At least, they didn't mess with the logo and butchered as Atari (the new Atari) did.
Look here [myatari.net]

Re:The LOGO (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378499)

This guy is seriously obsessive about some pretty small details. The logo is still instantly recognizeable and hardly butchered. He must have serious conniptions when he sees the animated version of the logo (on all Atari loading screens).

You want to talk about butchered logos, how about Cisco's new Fischer-price look?

Sorry... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18377819)

... But I would not want to have to answer "Commodore" when someone asks me what kind of computer I own.

I suppose most people don't even remember the old Commodore, but I would be afraid there may be another old schooler around. If he happened to have a mouthful of food or drink at the exact moment I answered, there may be quite a mess to clean up.

Personally... (1)

VE3OGG (1034632) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377853)

I think this company could have simply made more money by selling cases and maybe other components like power supplies and heatsinks -- if you look at their site, they focus 99% of the features on the damned case....

Re:Personally... (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379015)

That's all they have going for them. The motherboard pictured is an off the shelf Asus board. I have it in my PC at home. I'm sure all the rest of the parts are available on NewEgg minus the case.

Sweet! (2, Funny)

bozendoka (739643) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377863)

Radar Rat Race with dual GPUs and 5.1 surround? Sign me up!

Yeah, but... (1)

guruevi (827432) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377885)

does it run... Mr Do's Castle?

How is this Commodore? (1)

kad77 (805601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377909)

Is this company a hardware company at all?

They seem to own the branding, but do they even produce the mainboard PCB itself?

I'm sure they didn't write a BIOS. I wonder if they will support LinuxBIOS...

Re:How is this Commodore? (1)

pdangel (812046) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378065)

"...but do they even produce the mainboard PCB itself?"

NOPE. Emphasis mine.
From http://www.commodoregaming.com/pcshop/Game+PC/Comm odore+xx.aspx [commodoregaming.com]

        *
            Intel® Core(TM)2 Extreme Quad-Core processor QX6700: 2.66GHz 8M Cache
        *
            ASUS® P5N32-E nForce 680i SLI motherboard
        *
            2x 150GB 10000 RPM SATA Raid 0 and 1x 500GB 7200 RPM SATA Raid 1 hard drives
        *
            4GB Corsair® Dominator 2xTwin2x2048-8500C5D memory: 1066MHz
        *
            Philips® DVDRW optical drive
        *
            1000W ICE Cube power supply
        *
            Creative® SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer
        *
            2x NVIDIA® 8800 GTX 768MB graphics cards

Not one damn original thought or product. Move along, nothing to see here.

Re:How is this Commodore? (1)

kad77 (805601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378469)

Thanks for the summary, what a friggin waste of time. "Rigs for retards", apparently.

BTW, the PC game market is pathetic, the 7800 series nvidia I bought a while ago has become the least "valuable" piece of hardware I've bought in years! Great technology, no use for it re: games!

I think the xbox360 release (especially) was the final death rattle for most 3D games on Windows, only RPG crap lives on.

Re:How is this Commodore? (1)

Creepy (93888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378953)

It's Commodore as a BRAND - just like Atari was resurrected as a brand. Neither one has any semblance to the previous company.

Commodore World service, please it sounds a .. (1)

JackMeyhoff (1070484) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377959)

.. joke, he plays up the "you can download trailers" big deal, I read that as "you can pay us and we can serve you advertisements, isnt it great you sucker!". If this is a delivery for trailers (movei advertisements), why should I pay? Their devices are nothing awe inspiring, nothing that hasnt been done before. They are just a BRAND company, not a company of invention or revolution. They are just milking the old historical Commodore brand just as the Amiga brand was milked and failed.

Why put a low end X-FI card in a super high end... (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377981)

system with 2 8800? they should put the high end X-FI card in.

Ok, can anyone help me? (2, Funny)

MrPinstripeCom (848671) | more than 7 years ago | (#18377983)

I just got one of these babies . . . I can't get the CD rom to recognize, anyone know the load extension for it? I tried Load "zaxxon",8,1 And Seriously, my commodore tape drive isn't USB OR Firewire...any thoughts? If you could fit, in some cases, 10-15 games PER SIDE of a non HD 5.25" floppy, can you imagine a DVD worth of C=64 games!? ooh man....

Re:Ok, can anyone help me? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379149)

You can get a serial to parallel adapter that allows you to attach your whole chain of serial devices to the LPT1 port. You need a OS without preemptive multitasking for using them, though.

This is not Commodore. (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378019)

It looks to me like someone bought the Commodore name just to stick it onto a generic custom PC. They must have gotten a nice infusion of capital from investors to get things off the ground. Whether they manage to turn a profit is another story.

They've really overdone it with the logos all over the box. They even went and printed the logo on the underside of the case and molded the rubber feet in the shape of the logo. That's just tacky.

I like clean case designs, there are some horrendous ones out there, but this Commodore case doesn't look any better than a generic $50 computer case. If it needs a big vinyl sticker to look "gorgeous" we've got problems.

I don't really see how the Commodore name would appeal to anyone who might be interested in these machines. Kids are unlikely to know anything about the original Commodore. And those who did grow up with the original are unlikely to be interested by such a machine. And if they were, they're likely to build an equivalent machine themselves.

I can't really see this going anywhere. They aren't offering anything compelling. They've got nothing to distinguish themselves from competitors.

Preloaded with Windows Vista?????? (1)

mario_grgic (515333) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378089)

How's that a commodore comeback?

I think thos model sums it up (1)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378217)

This Case says it all [commodoregaming.com]

As a long time Commodore Fan it just makes me want to cry. :-( Though I think those who think Skateboard deck art is really cool will love it.

I was a big fan of the iMac flavors and Blue/Wite & Grey G3s and G4s, this new monoskin instead of a two-tone case look is really lousy looking (I always wished they did a ruby iMac with Chromed speaker grills and black trim.... sweeet.).

I noticed the options were United Kingf\dom and nothing else for country.

Re:I think thos model sums it up (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379233)

I still wonder how they got the rights to Giana Sisters for that. There seem to be a whole lot of companies that think they have the rights to C64 games, was there some kind of EULA that all your software will go into the public domain quickly for that computer or what?

Commodore PC - Deja Vu (1)

onkelonkel (560274) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378233)

Nothing new here. I bought a "Commodore" branded PC (beige box Pentium 75) about 10 years ago. A Canadian company named Campus Computer bought the rights to the name (at least here in Canada). It even had the famous logo on the case. I also remember seeing the Commodore logo on some old army green filing cabinets, which must have pre-dated their entry into computers, back when they were an office supply and calculator company.

Re:Commodore PC - Deja Vu (1)

erkan_o (958077) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379175)

Yes that is correct. Tramiel worked in the military and began repairing things there. That thing with the logo could be worth a lot to the right collector.

load "*",8,1 (1)

Apparition29 (612888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378475)

If it can boot games with the same command, hook me up :)

Gravel In Pocket VS. GP2X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18378559)

Nice little handheld, that GIP. I can't help think that they've got a diluted group of products though. I see nothing special about their line of PCs, beyond what I can purchase locally, and (IMO) a superior alternative to the GIP is the GP2X. It doesn't have GPS, but it does have MAME, XviD/MPEG, OGG/MP3, eBooks, and runs on AA batteries & SD cards, and has stereo+S-VHS out.
http://gp2x.co.uk/ [gp2x.co.uk]
http://www.gp2xtorrents.com/ [gp2xtorrents.com]

Phillip K. Dick, not Project Pat (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18378693)

Though they use the same logo, can one truly call these systems chicken head computers [computer-d...online.org] with these specs?

What's with the Girly names? (1)

dingleberrie (545813) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379095)

1985: Commodore announces the high-end Commodore as the Amiga, which means girlfriend in Spanish.

2007: Commodore announces the high-end Commodore as the XX, which is the genetic signature of a girlfriend (Even Spanish ones).

Why do they think that we-OMG I WANT ONE!!!

This is the sickest piece of garbage I have seen! (1)

erkan_o (958077) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379121)

I would really like to praise these new C= machines, but just like the majority of comments here I can only feel shame and mindless dumbness by viewing them and reading notes from people from the new company who insist that they are as hardcore as the C64 and Amiga maniacs they gather to.

No matter how you twist and turn things this is in reality nothing else than a me-too case with C= logos. Hey lets have some creative mindstorming and help these guys conquer Europe again!!!

Idea nr 1,
Why do hardcore gaming PC's of today need to be as big as one sixth of a full size fridge? Why does it have to be as loud and draw as much energy? Why not create a slick, silent mini gaming box with SLI cards and tweak the power to max 150 watt?

Idea nr2,
How about delivering a computer with Linux but do not call it Linux. Create a window manager that is lightweight and borrows a lot of ideas from Workbench. Work hard by integrating Wine or such so that users can run a majority of Windows apps and games. Most Europeans have not forgotten alternative computers as Amiga/Atari ST and would not say no to a "new" (remember it is Linux) OS.

Idea nr3,
How about going back to the roots?
Put a SLI enabled gaming computer in a case like the good old C64 and make it as silent and cool running as the C64. A keyboard and computer built into one, but not just any hardware but the most hardcore hardware available. Tell buyers that you can use it in front of a VGA monitor or in your living room with your TV since it is so portable.

You know why we do not see ideas like these from C=?

Because these ideas demand brains to work and a gift of creativity. There is more to computers than creating 10 skins and profit.

Heat problems (1)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379207)

The cases may be pretty but from the looks of the pictures, they've resurrected Commodore's legendary problems with trapped heat as well.

Re:Heat problems (1)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 7 years ago | (#18379265)

Nix that; they hid it well.
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