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US Leads the World In Malware Creation

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the scratch-a-criminal dept.

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PetManimal writes "Symantec says that China, Russia, and the other developing countries usually blamed for the increasing amount of malware are not the biggest culprits. The security software company released a report (PDF) claiming that the US leads the world in a number of malware categories, ranging from the 'amount of malicious activity originating from their networks' to 'underground economy servers.' Preston Gralla says the US lead should come as no surprise, considering the capitalist way of life and the high level of technical knowledge. He also suggests that the some of the 'criminals' may actually be Internet entrepreneurs who crossed over to the dark side: 'It's an inevitable result of a thriving free market and tech expertise. An underground economy often mirrors the legal, above-ground one. Scratch a criminal, and sometimes you find a misguided entrepreneur, looking to get rich a little too quick.'"

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Old Scratch (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410371)

Idle hands are the devil's plaything. I would think the America's constant need to be entertained also factors into the amount of malware.

FACT: these are OWNED servers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410975)

FACT: These are OWNED servers, and are used as delivery vehicles for malware created outside the US. This is was it not being considered, but it is there and not too hard to discern. Also, you must consider that any Tom, Dick, or Harry can rent a colo server in .com land. You think the Chinese are not? You kid yourself then. rackspace will take anyone. serverbeach, anyone. And when I mean anyone, I mean anyone.

Re:FACT: these are OWNED servers (1)

jackv (1068006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411787)

we're dealing with an international economy. The capitalist ethos crosses borders, and there is a lot of collusion between people from different countries . It's not the Americans or the Chinese or the Russians. It's pervasive

Re:Old Scratch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18412939)

America leads in malicicous activity originating from its networks. It is not malware creation.

Offshoring & downturn perhaps (2, Insightful)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410375)

During the depths of the IT recession, there were rumbles of out-of-work programmers talking about joining the "dark side" out of frustration. Perhaps many did.
         

Actually... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410501)

I figured it was because of a certain Redmond company, personally... :)
The only question then being whether or not Windows was counted *as* malware...

Re:Actually... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410691)

I recall thinking it was the height of cleverness as a teen to write a "virus" that upgraded Windows 95 by installing FreeBSD :)

Never released it, though.

ATTN: SWITCHEURS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410517)

If you don't know what Cmd-Shift-1 and Cmd-Shift-2 are for, GTFO.
If you think Firefox is a decent Mac application, GTFO.
If you're still looking for the "maximize" button, GTFO.
If you don't know Clarus from Carl Sagan, GTFO.

Bandwagon jumpers are not welcome among real Mac users [atspace.com] . Keep your filthy PC fingers to yourself.

US leads world in baby-food manufacturing software (1, Insightful)

patio11 (857072) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411335)

... and operating systems, and encryption, and VoIP, and browsers, and tax preparation, and CRM, and video games, and instant message clients, and illustration/graphic design, and pretty much any other string which you can append "software" to. That we lead in malware is not a heck of a lot of suprise. We also probably are neck and neck with Japan for producing cars used by bank robbers in getaways.

We are (0, Flamebait)

davebarnes (158106) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410381)

#1

Re:We are (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411639)

#1
Or put another way, the #192nd best.

Not just the US (4, Informative)

blackicye (760472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410385)

There are a number of fairly organized malware purveyors from Canada as well, I think what separates the malware originating from North America, and the malware coming from the East is the purpose of the malware.

In NA, its mainly spyware or extortionware.
From the East a majority of them are keyloggers, dialers.

Re:Not just the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410595)

Blame Canada!

Those malware creating bastards...

Re:Not just the US (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18412151)

I think what separates the malware originating from North America, and the malware coming from the East is the purpose of the malware.

You're talking out of your ass.

really (0, Troll)

mastershake_phd (1050150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410387)

How can you be sure who makes the most malware. People arent exactly admitting to it.

Re:really (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410507)

"Symantec says that China, Russia, and the other developing countries usually blamed for the increasing amount of malware are not the biggest culprits.

I think the lack of paid up subscriptions for AV software in Russia may also show a lot being proxied there in bots. This alone may cause the assumption much of your SPAM is from some .ru domain. In the US, there are lots of bots on broadband, but there is more patched systems running AV software. An added incentive for US operators to use Russian bots is making tracing for prosecution much more difficult.

Look who's calling the kettle black. (4, Funny)

d2_m_viant (811261) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410395)

Takes one to know one. Symantec's software has all the qualities you'd ever want in a well crafted piece of malware.

Re:Look who's calling the kettle black. (2, Insightful)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410669)

Does that make the pot wrong?

Re:Look who's calling the kettle black. (2, Funny)

pookemon (909195) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410873)

It makes the pot an expert... ;)

Re:Look who's calling the kettle black. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18412553)

Malware yes. Well crafted? Don't know if I would give them that much credit.

misguided? (4, Interesting)

jaymzru (1005177) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410405)

Scratch a criminal, and sometimes you find a misguided entrepreneur, looking to get rich a little too quick.
Is malware even illegal? How is malware different from say, an automatic update or some other less than desirable software? Just because something is annoying doesn't necessarily mean it's illegal and that the author is a criminal.

Re:misguided? (2, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410471)

Uh. I believe the difference would be the mal part. Update - as annoying as it is - is not malicious.

Re:misguided? (2, Insightful)

caller9 (764851) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410493)

It becomes criminal when it phones home with all of your pertinent keystrokes name, email, credit card + secret number, account #s, social, DOB, passwords, etc which are then sold on the black market. Where have you been?

I assume you're thinking adware which is in rare cases only annoying, most cases privacy invading, and many cases illegal anyway.

Re:misguided? (1)

jaymzru (1005177) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410521)

Ah, I was thinking of adware. Not meaning to be a fanboy, but I've run linux and os x since windows 95 and I don't think I've ever had malware on one of my machines - although I suppose I wouldn't know, since I don't really look for it either.

Everything you want to know about Windows malware (5, Informative)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410791)

Sometime when you're looking for an evening's entertainment (and not in the company of others, unless they also find this sort of thing terribly interesting), fire up a VMWare VM and load it up with Windows XP SP1, then fire up Internet Explorer and browse around. For fastest results, be sure to hit up some of the seedier side of the internet -- a quick Google for "serial numbers" will get you malware-ridden sites within the first few results. Then, just hit yourself on the head or otherwise simulate a stupid/ignorant user, and click "OK" to anything the computer prompts at you for a few minutes.

In short order, you will probably have so much adware, malware, Trojans, and keyloggers on the VM, it's nearly impossible to ever clean it out (AFAIK you really can't with any reliability say that a machine once rooted is 'clean' until you zero the drive and reinstall from media). Monitoring the network connections and traffic that the VM makes is also pretty interesting. (Its easiest if you set up the VM's virtual interface with a different IP than the host machine's physical interface.)

If you want to go for a second round, Google "adware removal" and download or run the first half-dozen or so tools that you see; chances are at least some of them will make the problem worse.

The benefit of doing this in a VM is you can trivially roll the system back to an uncorrupted state, and just banish the thing altogether when you're done entertaining yourself. It really caused me to appreciate two things: one, reminding me why I don't use that OS at home, and two, the absolutely ridiculous amount of effort that must be spent (patching, updating, firewalling, antivirusing, user training) to keep the billions of Windows machines that people depend on from succumbing to the same fate in a matter of minutes.

Anyone who doesn't use Windows on a regular basis should do that every year or so, if only for the "there, but for the grace of God..." value.

Re:Everything you want to know about Windows malwa (2, Interesting)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411369)

I worked with a guy, when we were working on malware removal techniques, who did exactly this. Our google search was either 'warez' or 'crackz', I can't recall. He even played the stupid user - "Yeah, I'm sure I can install this activeX stuff, whatever that means...The site told me to hit OK" - and the box was LEVELED beyond repair in under 5 minutes and 10 sites. We had to pull the virtual ethernet card on it. It got to the point that the box almost got beligerent as we tried to pull the malware out... This stuff isn't your typical virus from 10 years ago! I forget how many hits we picked up from adaware and spybot, but it was in the several hundreds. Oh, and it was a SP2 box, as well.

Re:Everything you want to know about Windows malwa (1)

msormune (808119) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412957)

...leveled beyond repair... now that's funny.

Re:Everything you want to know about Windows malwa (1)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412297)

Your simulation is quite unrealistic, because it assumes that a dumb user browses crackz & warez sites: this is IMHO quite unlikely. Gamers, power users etc would do it but not your typical dumb user. The problem anyway is not that if you click OK your box gets rooted - the situation is much worse, there are many exploits lying around on warez and pr0n sites and they will root your box silently and without user interaction. This happens because MSIE is a suboptimal browsing platform when it comes to security (and functionality too but that's beside the point).
Usage of different browsers is an easy and good remedy to this situation. In fact, I recommend Opera or FF to anybody who is dissatisfacted with IE.

Re:Everything you want to know about Windows malwa (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412659)

Your simulation is quite unrealistic, because it assumes that a dumb user browses crackz & warez sites: this is IMHO quite unlikely. Gamers, power users etc would do it but not your typical dumb user.

The use of crackz and warez sites is just to accelerate the process. Unless you confine your browsing to only the most trustworthy sites on the net, you'll eventually get infected.

Re:Everything you want to know about Windows malwa (1)

canUbeleiveIT (787307) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412535)

I think that you have hit upon it. A computer behind a NAT firewall can stay uninfected (even without AV software) if a user restricts her/his browsing to the more mainstream segments of the web. From my experience, computers with spyware/malware/trojans/viruses mostly have contracted the problem from at least one of the following ways:

  • Downloading software or songs with Limewire, Kazaa or other P2P
  • Visitng pr0n or warez sites
  • opening unsolicited emails (especially attachments)
  • Downloading and installing "free" software

While I'm aware that there are other ways to get your computer infected, they just don't happen that often. My wife has been using an XP Pro box w/o AV for a couple of years without incident or malware. Her web habits are scrupulous--all she does online is shop and check her yahoo mail account.

In my opinion, the worst thing for a computer is to have a teenager operate it. I reinstall Windows all of the time for people with teenagers and within six months, it's back to be wiped again. Apparently AV & firewall software does no good if you always click "allow."

Re:Everything you want to know about Windows malwa (1)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18413077)

Anyone who doesn't use Windows on a regular basis should do that every year or so, if only for the "there, but for the grace of God..." value.

I just listen to the Security Now podcast. Did you know about the virus-like behavior that simply arose because of a bug in Windows? It's called "Free Public WiFi" [wordpress.com]

Re:misguided? (2, Funny)

Mipoti Gusundar (1028156) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412039)

it phones home with all of your pertinent keystrokes name, email, credit card + secret number, account #s, social, DOB, passwords
This is why India is not top of malwares leauges - we are already having all these infos in our call senters!

Re:misguided? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410499)

In the cases of things I've had to remove it really can be classed as sabotage. Over a hundred machines with various breeds of *nix and it's the XP machine of the guy that like to download things to rip DVDs and mp3s that needs more attention.

Re:misguided? (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411603)

Well, here in the UK it almost certainly falls foul of the Computer Misuse Act, which explicitly outlaws using computer resources without permission. You can hardly compare malware to automatic updates either (even if you were thinking of adware), as for the vast majority of computer users auto-updates are a very, very good thing, as it's the only hope they have of keeping their machine patched. In my experience, a lot of people still see computers as an appliance; you don't patch your washing machine, or your TV, or your toaster, they simply wouldn't think to patch their PC.

Engineers vs Programms (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410465)

Agreed , not all 'malware' is out to get you, there is a fine line though between
adware and 'malware' at times.

a good software engineer, that is a 'real engineer' would refuse to create such a product, as they are sworn to protect the public interest at all costs.

A programmer mind you, unless they are ethical, goes where the money is.

Lets call the industry what it is, and the workers what they are. Engineers != programmers.

Engineers can be held accountable, in many ways. Programmers on the other hand, can always hide behind the shield of the corporation.

Re:Engineers vs Programms (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18411383)

Ah yes, the 'Engineers are always moral' argument. Please remind me, what programmers were assigned to the Manhatten Project, the Cruise Missile project, and who designed Napalm?

Oh yeah... that's right, they were mostly Engineers. Spare us the high-and-mighty talk. Just becuase there's an old Freemason-like order with fancy rings involved doesn't mean engineers are some kind of uber-moral fraternity.

No offense to the good-hearted engineers out there reading this.. I just don't like the uppity attitude of some 'engineers' who think that computing science, along with every other realm of human endeavour other than those blessed by the local Engineering faculty, are something akin to making cute little blocks with playdough.

Parent: get off your high horse. Lots of people, no matter their vocation, have to pay the bills, and some are just attracted to the darker side, no matter their training.

Re:Engineers vs Programms (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18411431)

a good software engineer, that is a 'real engineer' would refuse to create such a product, as they are sworn to protect the public interest at all costs.

You truly are out of your fucking skull. The idea that an engineer has to take any such oath is suppurating bullshit of the highest water.

Like some engineer's going to take a bullet for me (your words, "at all costs", not mine).

Resume playing with yourself.

Re:Engineers vs Programms (1)

Bastard of Subhumani (827601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412657)

a 'real engineer' would refuse to create such a product
The idea that an engineer has to take any such oath is suppurating bullshit of the highest water.
It could be different in other countries. Maybe the GP is a true Scotsman, [wikipedia.org] or something similar.

Re:Engineers vs Programms (2, Insightful)

erbmjw (903229) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411987)

It is not your title ie engineer or programmer that makes you ethical - it is your beliefs and integrity!

Good engineer != ethical engineer unless you specifically define good to equal ethical in which case you have committed your statement to a state of circular definitions, and then your argument is effectively useless

The same would hold true for your 'real engineer' argument.

As for the line

Engineers can be held accountable, in many ways. Programmers on the other hand, can always hide behind the shield of the corporation.

Since you were initially discussing ethics - ethics do not let you always hide behind anything. If you are trying to switch the venue to law - then a programmer and a software engineer are going to be to a similar legal standard of responsibility based upon their respective position, education level and experience. The title "engineer" or "programmer" would have no bearing legally.

No surprise here. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410467)

The United States is the leading source of many of the world's ills, but we like to blame others.

Re:No surprise here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410607)

You are free to leave, anytime. Malware targets the US largely because we happen to have the most 'disposable' income-- Suck it commie!

Re:No surprise here. (2, Insightful)

lahvak (69490) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410735)

So shut up or leave are the only options? One isn't alowed to criticise what one sees as a problem in a country one loves, perhaps in hope it will get rectified once enough people point it out? I find your attitude rather similar to that of many hard-line communists. Besides, we are talking about malware created in the US, not targeted to the US.

Re:No surprise here. (0, Offtopic)

the_mushroom_king (708305) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411531)

"Dubya, I told you no interwebs after 9 PM. Now brush your teeth and get to bed!"

Re:No surprise here. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410647)

The United States is the leading source of many of the world's ills, but we like to blame others.


You've been programmed to hate your own country. Snap out of it.


Re:No surprise here. (1)

lahvak (69490) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410769)

Since when is criticism equal to hate?

Re:No surprise here. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18411459)

Since when is criticism equal to hate?

Criticism is equal to hate when your IQ is below 60. Or if you're a member of the Bush administration.

Sorry for the repetition.

Re:No surprise here. (4, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412595)

Since when is criticism equal to hate?

Since September 11, 2001. ...or so it seems.

Re:No surprise here. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410843)

I like to criticize the States too. It has too many goddamn hippies.

Obligatory (-1, Offtopic)

innocence18 (897646) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410665)

The US is more highly ranked than Russia because in Soviet Russia, Malware creates you!

Yeah, software! (2, Funny)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410667)

But don't forget high speed pizza delivery too!

Re:Yeah, software! (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411515)

But don't forget high speed pizza delivery too!
Sooo... you're saying it's safer to order pizza from Russia ?

(confused)

Re:Yeah, software! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18413261)

Just avoid the Sushi ;)

Well, duh! (0, Troll)

cyberbob2351 (1075435) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410673)

We, like, own the internet don't we? Al Gore invented it after all, and all of the important servers and tubes is on our half of the planet!

Because of all of this, we should have every right to exclusively fuck it up.

Re:Well, duh! (2, Interesting)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18413199)

I was watching a lecture by Neil DeGrasse Tyson wherein he made the point that the country that discovered something gets to name it. The Muslim world named most of the stars in the sky. The Greeks named most of the constellations. The US named most of the heaviest elements on the table, so we get names like Californium and Berkelium.

And since we made the Internet, we get to name it. That's why there's .co.uk and not .co.us. And it's also why .gov is the US government and not .gov.us. Just like every postage stamp outside of the UK has to have the country of origin on it because the Brits invented the postage stamp, we get the TLDs because we invented the Internet.

USA! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410677)

U S A, U S A, U S A

Re:USA! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18412889)

stupid mods. How was this a troll? you same idiots modded the exact response 2 (not troll). Check it. You guys have lost i.

Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (5, Funny)

mmell (832646) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410681)

Uh, what do you mean, this isn't a good thing? We're finally number one at something in IT again (other than outsourcing, that is) and it's a bad thing? That sucks . . .

That said . . . in your face, China, Russia and the other developing countries - in your face!

Oh, and a slight aside to the /. eds - I suspect that both the Chinese and the Russian people would be *ahem* amused at having their respective countries referred to as "developing countries". Just sayin'

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (3, Insightful)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410793)

Heh. While I find your comment amusing I must point out it's not the /.er's fault that China and Russia are considered developing countries. Blame human geographers for that. Russia and China are considered Developing by those groups. Personally I think it's just silly, who are we (people in general, not the US) to determine what style of life is better than another, but hey, that's how it is.

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (1)

toddhunter (659837) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410879)

They might say better to be developing than going backwards...

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#18413955)

Personally I think it's just silly, who are we (people in general, not the US) to determine what style of life is better than another

While I realize that there are philosophical differences over cultural values and all that, I think it's foolish to say we can't make judgments on what constitutes a "better" life.

I think, for example, that it's pretty fair to say that a life of hard labor in a concentration camp would suck ass compared to the life of just about anyone outside of said concentration camp. I think it would also be fair to say that it would be much better to live in a country with relative freedom and financial prosperity than to live in one with biting poverty and brutal, senseless violence.

-Eric

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411671)

I suspect that both the Chinese and the Russian people would be *ahem* amused at having their respective countries referred to as "developing countries"
Why should we be amused at truth? Economically-wise, both are developing countries. I know some of my fellow countrymen think that Russia inherited the "superpower" title from the Soviet Union and managed to keep it, but it is obviously a delusion.

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (1)

hyfe (641811) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411715)

I suspect that both the Chinese and the Russian people would be *ahem* amused at having their respective countries referred to as "developing countries".
That doesn't change the fact that they are though. Both countries are changing quite fast, both economically and culturally trying to find their new place in the world. What they morph into remain to be seen though.

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (4, Interesting)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412473)

Advert for the Economist at the moment reads:

"Invest in the 4th largest world economy. Before it's number 1. China"

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (1)

hyfe (641811) | more than 7 years ago | (#18413701)

Yes, it certainly is developing!

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (1)

WML MUNSON (895262) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412581)

Visit anywhere in China that isn't Beijing, Shanghai, or Hong Kong and tell me it's not a "developing" country. I have no experience with Russia, on the other hand.

Re:Oh, yeah! Teh U-S Rulz! W00T! We Rock! (1)

Bastard of Subhumani (827601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412679)

Fair enough, since Russia has no experience of YOU!

Numbers Game..... (2, Insightful)

Rank_Tyro (721935) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410711)

I would guess that those numbers correspond to the number of users combined with the number of users who have no idea what computer security means.

How many people buy a computer without knowing how to use one safely? How many of those people buy a computer and run around on the internet as administrator?

Anytime you have a large number of users who do not understand or care to secure their computers, you will have higher numbers of those users who have been owned.

Windows? (3, Funny)

Bob54321 (911744) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410715)

We all know that Microsoft makes the most common malware known to computing. There was never really any competition to stop the USA getting the title.

Re:Windows? (1)

Clueless Nick (883532) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410891)

WHY, why, why did you have to go and say it first?!?!?

Re:Windows? (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411521)

I was amazed it took so long for that to pop up. I thought I was on the wrong site for a moment there.

For the sake of completeness :
- If we all ran Multics there wouldn't be any malware
- Don't run punched cards you get in the mail
- Remember to reinstall from a clean set of tapes every week

Did I forget anything ?

Remove all financial incentives for malware... (1)

iamcf13 (736250) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410777)

And malware will go away for good!

Fat chance of that happening at all, huh? :(

Old News (1)

slashdottinitup (912090) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410861)

Looks like Symantec just found out about MySpace.

America, F*CK YEA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18410949)

Writin' the malware to save the muther f*ckin day yea!
Malware!
Spyware!
Adware!
F*CK YEA!

Excellent! (4, Funny)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410953)

At least we still lead the world in something! Take that, Indian outsourcing companies.

US Leads the World In Malware Creation... (1)

Webb21 (460713) | more than 7 years ago | (#18410995)

US Leads the World In Malware Creation

Well yeah, that's because Redmond is located within the US.

*ducks*

wonder (1)

it074771 (1063998) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411033)

symantec has always come with the qualities that serves the one-piece well implemented malware...are we talkin that malware is such a illegal? i wonder how it works for that purpose?

Re:wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18411591)

symantec has always come with the qualities that serves the one-piece well implemented malware...are we talkin that malware is such a illegal? i wonder how it works for that purpose?

Parse this shit and re-post it after you've turned it into something intelligible.

Critical Problem? (2, Interesting)

it074771 (1063998) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411079)

Where does it become a critical problem. Well, if you get a system that is infected, you may start having problems with not only your system, but with your enterprise network. In many cases, as you might expect. The end result is that the software tries to spread itself to other and begins to use all of the bandwidth you have on your enterprise for that purpose. If you have unprotected 'everyone' shares, the software can even propagate itself to others on your network, much like a virus or Trojan and then they start transmitting too. In the worse case scenario, you may receive communication from your ISP indicating that an address within your enterprise has a problem and unless you solve it, they will discontinue services. AT&T, Qwest, the RBOC (Regional Bell Operating Companies) and others follow this practice now.

US Leads the World In Malware Creation!?! (0, Flamebait)

Max Littlemore (1001285) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411131)

USA! USA! USA!

Re:US Leads the World In Malware Creation!?! (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18413087)

For a day to day assessment for the USA's position with regard to DoS attacks, botnets, phishing, and scanning, check out this page [arbor.net] and look at the bottom chart. You can see the number one ranked country, ASN, and host for each category.

WTF? (2, Interesting)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411151)

"Scratch a criminal, and sometimes you find a misguided entrepreneur, looking to get rich a little too quick.'"

You could say the same thing about crack dealers or contract killers, am I supposed to be sympathetic to them too?

I'm not bothered by the legal aspects as much as the ethical ones. If someone is hurting someone else, they're doing something wrong. End of story.

LK

Re:WTF? (1)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412001)

So ..., just to make clear. You are a pacifist yes? Because the army and the police each hurt other people all the time.

Not saying I disagree with you, but unless you are a pacifist, you can't really make a statement like that.

Also, what about in self defence?

I'm sure you could make an argument about the lesser wrongness, but I won't buy it.

We're #1! (1)

Talgrath (1061686) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411195)

We're #1! We're #1! The US is #1! WOOOO!

And I'm Proud To Be an American... (1)

FranklinDelanoBluth (1041504) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411221)

...because at least I know we can produce malicious computer programs!

And there ain't no doubt I love this land. God bless the USAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!</lee-greenwood>

And the difference is what, again? (3, Insightful)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411465)

He also suggests that the some of the 'criminals' may actually be Internet entrepreneurs who crossed over to the dark side
And they're different from the kind that run companies to the ground, create loopholes to avoid domestic workers, and fake their deaths to void convictions? Somehow the differences aren't stacking up.

It's an inevitable result of a thriving free market and tech expertise.
Apparently the Midwest hasn't gotten the memo on that one, since the 2001 recession is still going, continued by 2003's wave of job theft. There are some things that Ivy League economists will never understand. Thriving and "free market" somehow just aren't mixing in places that get the idea of not treating businesses like $DEITY.

An underground economy often mirrors the legal, above-ground one. Scratch a criminal, and sometimes you find a misguided entrepreneur, looking to get rich a little too quick.'
Wasnt that covered in Enron, Worldcom, HP (Hurd and Fiorina), and about any organization that uses loopholes to offshore work? That seems to point to a "misguided entrepreneur" as being one that has some morals left in them, not someone who's gone criminal.

This is my apprentice... (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411707)

He also suggests that the some of the 'criminals' may actually be Internet entrepreneurs who crossed over to the dark side...

This is my apprentice, Darth Malware. He will find your lost revenue.

It's the other way round. (1)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411731)

Scratch a criminal, and sometimes you find a misguided entrepreneur, looking to get rich a little too quick.



Scratch an entrepreneur who is willing to ignore good business practices and ethics to get rich quickly, and you'll most likely find a criminal.

Flawed argument (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18411805)

The argument is that the US' high degree of malware creation comes down to the US capitalist/free market life of way, that people create these to seek riches that are denied them.

The implicit claim is that if computer literacy and absorption and internet access was equally prevalent in any other ('less capitalist') part of the world, i.e. you control for that, then they would still be behind the US in terms of malware creation.

This is a Marxist argument, that the desire for significant material comfort is a byproduct of a capitalist upbringing, and if people have a correct/naturalised upbringing this desire will cease. It is also in my view wrong.

Microsoft (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 7 years ago | (#18411831)

Windows should probably have been excluded, although doing so might drop the US far down the list.

way too go! (2, Funny)

Kerstyun (832278) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412005)

The ol red white and blue aint dead yet! Suck on that, Indier!

U-S-A! Num-ber-1!
U-S-A! Num-ber-1!
U-S-A! Num-ber-1!

Spot on (2, Insightful)

jandersen (462034) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412053)



I would say quite often in fact, but that's just my opinion. I think there is something in what serves as the basic moral code in American-style business, that makes it difficult to know where the line goes. Now don't take this as an attack on Americans or even America in general, but the kind of business ethics that is tought to American MBAs etc, is scarily devoid of what normal people would consider good moral.

I once read about a class situation at one university - I don't recall the exact circumstances, but perhaps somebody else recognises it. The professor asked the class 'You are in charge of marketing a new medicine, and you receive reports that this medicine may be dangerous. What is the right thing to do?' Most would say things like 'We have to hold back and find out whether this product is actually dangerous and perhaps stop selling it' - but the 'right' answer, according to the professor was 'You keep on selling as much as possible until the company is forced to stop. Your only concern should be the shareholders' profit'

This story, I think, tells just how twisted things can be. When young people are told that they have to commit moral and ethical suicide like this, how should they be able to see the fine line between being a creative entrpreneur and an outright criminal? If the size of the profit is what determines how 'right' or 'good' your actions are, then surely crime is perfectly justfied law abiding citizens are simply idiots, little better than cattle?

Re:Spot on (1)

SwashbucklingCowboy (727629) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412899)

I think there is something in what serves as the basic moral code in American-style business, that makes it difficult to know where the line goes.
Aw, now don't let scandals at Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia, HealthSouth, Qwest, Apple, Broadcom, UnitedHealth, Comverse Tech., etc. get you down on American business ethics! lol!

Re:Spot on (1)

Spacezilla (972723) | more than 7 years ago | (#18413491)

Thanks a lot, now my eyes are going to hurt the rest of the day. :(

Hold on there, Comrade... (1)

Jasin Natael (14968) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412077)

the US lead should come as no surprise, considering the capitalist way of life and the high level of technical knowledge

Um, what? Perhaps he means that since we have food to eat and our basic needs are taken care of, that we naturally spend our time writing malware. Apparently people should never have liberty and prosperity, since they obviously lead to (or are intrinsically) vice!

How about reporting what percentage of a country's total software output is malware? Or at the very least, acknowledging that instead of some "capitalist way of life", the problem is a doublethink one for social do-gooders: that our citizens, poor and criminal included, have access to technology and electricity. Don't think for a second that if rural China had electricity, not to mention uncensored Internet access, they wouldn't shoot straight past us on whatever yardstick this bozo is using.

As Wendell Phillips said, "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." This is true for all values of liberty, and includes the liberty of running software of your own choice on your own hardware of choice. The market will produce, and already has produced, better systems that aren't (as) suceptible to malware. That's the capitalist way of life. All this guy is doing is hand-wringing and finger-pointing.

Re:Hold on there, Comrade... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18413841)

I agree with your statement in principle--it was essentially what I wanted to post. However, I don't think the bias is coming from TFA this time. Mr. Gralla uses the words "thriving free market," without any obviously negative overtone, and several of his recent articles are pro-privacy and seem to have instances of political lambasting of both sides.

For instance:
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/4056 [computerworld.com]
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/5182 [computerworld.com]
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/5017 [computerworld.com]

Seems like the bias is coming from elsewhere here.

Collaboration is actually distributed by now (1)

edis (266347) | more than 7 years ago | (#18412285)

I was employed for a while by U.S. company/enterpreneur, who seemed to be walking along thin line of ethics in engineering, as we'd understand it. Those were attempts to make graspable profit from online presence. Lucky I was not to be exposed to the parts, that would make me uncomfortable in my jobs. But there were more people hired, and at least half of them should have been not residents of U.S. (just as I am not) - some of them should have been doing parts, that were crossing into the darker side, I suspect.

As those were rather short - term profitability efforts (better name it speculation), I doubt any success is still with that business. Wish better luck and models to net enterpreneurs! Garbage of the net is destined to rot.

Microsoft is based here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18412307)

We are #1 because Microsoft is based here and all know that their software is malware.

Say what?! (3, Interesting)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 7 years ago | (#18413203)

and the high level of technical knowledge.


If Americans did have a high level of technical knowledge, the amount of spyware infections (and related matters) would be significantly lower. Considering we lead the world in malware creation, that argues for a lower level of technical knowledge.

Punch the monkey to win money! Give us your email address and we'll send you free offers! Install this program to prevent infections!

Let's put it this way: I went to the dentist recently and the girl who was going to scrape my teeth asked what I did and where I worked. When I told her I work in IT and for a specific government agency, she said that she wished she knew more about computers but she didn't have the time to figure them out.

So, we have someone who admits they don't know enough about a subject yet aren't willing to take the time to learn more about it. Yup, this America. If it isn't easy, we're not interested.

wooo! (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#18413799)

USA! USA!
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