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Gifted Children Find Heavy Metal Comforting

samzenpus posted more than 7 years ago | from the the-soothing-side-of-slayer dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The Daily Telegraph is reporting that intelligent teenagers often listen to heavy metal music to cope with the pressures associated with being talented, according to research. Researchers found that, far from being a sign of delinquency and poor academic ability, many adolescent "metalheads" are extremely bright and often use the music to help them deal with the stresses and strains of being gifted social outsiders."

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First Nigger (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437347)

First Nigger!

Heavy metal as a detox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437357)

Hmmmmmm...

"head bangers" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437361)

"Gifted children" eh? These "head bangers" that wear the helmets...

Re:"head bangers" (2, Insightful)

MindKata (957167) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437765)

Unfortunately I think my head bangering days are over now ... too old :( ... but I think this reporter could also be a head banger?

I found another article by him, which shows he has been watching (and knows) this same cultural group of people for some time and this article also explains (more than a few) rock chicks I've met over the years. :)

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0701/07011 905 [ucl.ac.uk]

Labels are bad news (5, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437873)

As soon as you label a kid as being gifted, you stop treating them as a kid. Poor behavior: "Oh, that's just gifted kids for you". Don't want to take out the trash: "He really shouldn't be wasting his talents". There seems to be a complete obsession with labelling people to get status or to excuse behavior. Worst is when the kids are told that they are gifted: they soon learn to use this as a manipulative tool: "I need to do $FUN_ACTIVITY to expand my experiences. $CHORE crushes me".

Most kids are gifted one way or another, some academically, some otherwise. Just most kids don't experience the environments that bring the best out of the kids.

Punk (5, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437365)

Part of me wants to respond in an incredibly cynical manner to this as most "intelligent teenagers" are smart enough to be aware of much of the bullshit associated with growing up and being aware of wider sociopolitical, environmental and other issues and they need a release for the anger. Other cynical parts of me want to say they are also smart enough to be able to recognize the top 40 drivel that is being disseminated by the recording industry.

However, stepping back from the cynicism, I would note that this was always my experience with the punk scene. Specifically, most people I knew in the scene were incredibly talented, highly intelligent and for the most part more articulate than average. I always wondered how it was that we seemed to find one another, self assemble and take part in a scene that was a retreat of sorts from lives and upbringings that were in most cases not "Leave it to Beaver" or "The Cosby Show" type lives.

Re:Punk (4, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437397)

Other cynical parts of me want to say they are also smart enough to be able to recognize the top 40 drivel that is being disseminated by the recording industry.

Really? Isn't most head bangin' heavy metal disseminated by the recording industry?

Re:Punk (3, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437481)

Really? Isn't most head bangin' heavy metal disseminated by the recording industry?

Perhaps you are revealing just how aware you are.... ;-)

Seriously though, there is *lots* of very good music out there including metal and punk that does not come through the big RIAA dominated scene. If you will note, that is why I invoked punk.

RTFA, baby. (4, Informative)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437493)

Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres.

  6% - Heavy Metal
14% - Pop

More of them listed the Britney Spears genre than the Angus Young genre.

I'd say there might be some flaws in this "study". :)

Re:RTFA, baby. (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437835)

That is what I was thinking. I am planning to write a grant that studies delinquent behavior. I suspect that at least 6% of the gifted students engage in significant crime. I will then submit an article indicating that routine criminal behavior indicates a gifted child. They merely engage in such behavior to relieve stress, and really mean no harm. Perhaps such students just experience more pressure, and use such activities as stealing cars and robbing liquor stores at gunpoint to cope with life.

In fact, music choice, especially for the adolescent, is more a indication of peer group rather than intelligence, and any study that does not indicate a significant penetration of hip hop is biased.

Re:Punk (1)

Eddi3 (1046882) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437525)

"Part of me wants to respond in an incredibly cynical manner to this as most "intelligent teenagers" are smart enough to be aware of much of the bullshit associated with growing up and being aware of wider sociopolitical, environmental and other issues and they need a release for the anger. Other cynical parts of me want to say they are also smart enough to be able to recognize the top 40 drivel that is being disseminated by the recording industry."

Please, don't step back from the cynicism. You have it exactly right.

Also, since I'm a Jew, that adds a whole new level of hatred and cynicism I have to deal with...

Although, I don't listen to Metal more then I listen to Classical, Rock, or any other genre of music.

Re:Punk (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437891)

Also, since I'm a Jew, that adds a whole new level of hatred and cynicism I have to deal with...
Mah atah m'daber al?

Re:Punk (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437753)

...retreat of sorts from lives and upbringings that were in most cases not "Leave it to Beaver" or "The Cosby Show" type lives.

More like "Married with Children" and "Sanford and Son".

Re:Punk (3, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437757)

A lot of punks are very intelligent people (in a very warped way geeks are punks in many ways, we tend to over lap and have a usually left wing mentality), but you have to remember punk as we it should be is rather dead. Punk got too mainstream to the point where it became pop music and all it stood for became "lets do drugs and break stuff!" in the current climate. These "neo punks" are little more than teeny boppers dressed up as something else, still looking for something to call their own and a scene where "no one cares what you are (cough how it used to be cough)" is the obvious place to settle.

As for heavy metal being related to gifted children.. Hmm no. Because music is a personal thing and people will tend to enjoy what they are exposed to at a young age and leaves a lasting impression. So right now rap, girl bands, heavy metal (the pointless screaming type) and punk would be popular with children (0-12ish) in most cases. Where as back in my day (born 86) we had more dance music and retro stuff from the 70s and 80s still hanging around. Which would be very similar to my taste in music now.

Plus children are fickle, if we gave them the entire catalog of music they would have a new favourite band/style every other day.

Rap on the other hand... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437853)

When I was a teenager, the arch nemeses of the metalheads were the rappers. While we tripped out on acid listening to Rush and Sabbath... well fuck knows what the rappers were up to (probably crack and hos) but they sure hated us and we sure hated them.

Granted, there has been some slightly more cerebral rap since the eighties, but for the most part rap is self aggrandizing crap. "I'm, so cool, the hos love me so, I kill you whitey..." etc, etc.

Re:Punk (1)

idonthack (883680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437917)

However, stepping back from the cynicism, I would note that this was always my experience with the punk scene. Specifically, most people I knew in the scene were incredibly talented, highly intelligent and for the most part more articulate than average. I always wondered how it was that we seemed to find one another, self assemble and take part in a scene that was a retreat of sorts from lives and upbringings that were in most cases not "Leave it to Beaver" or "The Cosby Show" type lives.
Unfortunately today the punk scene has, at least in my area, been totally shunned by the so-called geeks and nerds. Mostly because of the prevalence of what ClearChannel, MTV, and the RIAA call "emo". It's kind of frustrating that some of my friends refuse to even try listening to genres as unrelated as ska because they judge all punk by the bastardized corporate version played on the radio.

Gifted find *eating* heavy metal comforting (5, Funny)

DeadSea (69598) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437375)

If you are having trouble being gifted, try eating heavy metals rather than listening to heavy metal. That way you won't be gifted very long.

Re:Gifted find *eating* heavy metal comforting (2)

cuantar (897695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437505)

That's actually what I thought the article was about after reading the headline: gifted teenagers experiencing life-changing epiphanies after eating lead paint.

I LOVE HEAVY METALS!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437377)

Especially uranium. Where would we be without it?!?!

It's so true. (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437381)


Let's see... I'm 41, have loved metal since I was 14 (Motorhead is the greatest band EVAR) and am the smartest guy on slashdot...
The evidence is overwhelming.

Re:It's so true. (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437441)

Ha ha ha grub,

Very funny. Seriously though, you should know that there is *always* someone smarter than you out there. The trick I've found is to find as many of them as you can and surround yourself with them so they continue to challenge you, introduce you to new thinking etc...etc...etc...

Re:It's so true. (1)

grub (11606) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437501)


Seriously though, you should know that there is *always* someone smarter than you out there.

Yes, I've met him. Killed him shortly thereafter... ;)

Jokes aside, I've loved metal, punk, thrash, etc. since I first heard it. Oddly enough I love classical music too (even Joyce Hatto. Ha!) but can't stand country music, rap, hip hop....

I still love it when some old Exploited or Discharge comes up on the ol' iPod. Emails with the subject "Your music is too loud" aren't uncommon at work. :)

Re:It's so true. (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437645)

Yes, I've met him. Killed him shortly thereafter... ;)

I had a Drill Sgt. tell me once that he always had a plan to kill whoever he met, particularly if they were smarter than he was. He followed that up by saying that since I made him laugh and could think him out of a bad situation, he'd kill me last.

Jokes aside, I've loved metal, punk, thrash, etc. since I first heard it. Oddly enough I love classical music too (even Joyce Hatto. Ha!) but can't stand country music, rap, hip hop....

Not unusual. Lots of my collection is eclectic including punk, metal, classical, world music, country music and at least old school rap. The new stuff is just like Top 40, formulaic and talentless. Interestingly, I've found many former punk artists that have moved into bluegrass or a fusion of punk and country. Think Uncle Tupelo, Wilco and Son Volt.

I still love it when some old Exploited or Discharge comes up on the ol' iPod. Emails with the subject "Your music is too loud" aren't uncommon at work. :)

I've just made my iTunes library available to everyone in the building. Someone can typically find something they like in it, but it is most excellent to be able to crank up Husker Du in the laboratory on weekends.

Re:It's so true. (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437831)

I had a Drill Sgt. tell me once that he always had a plan to kill whoever he met, particularly if they were smarter than he was.

Whenever I find out that people think like this, it reminds me of just how crazy I am.

Re:It's so true. (2, Insightful)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437877)

Jokes aside, I've loved metal, punk, thrash, etc. since I first heard it. Oddly enough I love classical music too

Motorhead *is* classical music.

Seriously... metal of all types is a natural offshoot of western classical music as punk is of folk music.

Compare Jake Thackray and the Sex Pistols. They even sing about the same things. Almost.

Re:It's so true. (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437847)

IS that why you repeat something other people have said to try and grab Karma?

Re:It's so true. (3, Funny)

BWJones (18351) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437919)

IS that why you repeat something other people have said to try and grab Karma?

Here, let me repeat something that someone else has said. "Go fsck yourself....." :-)

In all honesty though, I've been around Slashdot for a while now (since '97 or '98) and am not remotely concerned about making cheap karma grabs.

Re:It's so true. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437473)

All slashdot posters must pass the capatcha test, so we're all pretty smart, buddy.

Re:It's so true. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437649)

Do you have an advanced degree from Wikipedia?

Re:It's so true. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437911)

Well, wikipedia says I do, so I guess I do.

Lead Sinkers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437411)

I used to chew on lead sinkers from fishing. After a few hours a very tranquil feeling came upon me. That buzzing of the ears still hasn't left...

Yep. (4, Insightful)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437423)

It's entirely true. I first dug into Metallica and Black Sabbath when I was about 13, and I find myself hooked on Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, and Symphony X now.

Hard rock, progressive rock, and heavy metal all usually talk about social and political issues in a manner that is both musical and lyrical, and it's a lot easier to dig into and associate with than the lamenting dorks that populate alternative and indie rock nowadays.

Re:Yep. (1)

irby0 (886254) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437631)

Me too!

I went from Metallica in high school to Symphony X, Dream Theater, Jag Panzer, Iced Earth, etc.

Re:Yep. (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437679)

Dream Theater owns my face. And you're exactly right about social issues, how about Kick the Chair by Megadeth, or The Great Debate by DT? Better than some hip gangsta rollin on dubs.

Re:Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437755)

"My existence supports this research!!"

Such humility on /.!

Re:Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437775)

And with a user name like MostAwesomeDude how could you not be über talented?

Metal? Never! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437433)

Dirge rock for the win!

So if you want to find some smart kids... (4, Funny)

condour75 (452029) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437437)

Look for the ones with AC/DC and Metallica shirts. Also look for signs of Aspberger's syndrome in their interaction with hippie teachers, redneck neighbors, Daria...

Re:So if you want to find some smart kids... (1)

azakem (924479) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437571)

I would be careful about over-generalizing here... I've known plenty of punkers and metalheads who seemed incapable of critical thought, they were just enamored with the idea of being rebels or outsiders. For some, listening to this sort of music is just an easy way of expressing individuality in a world populated by six billion people. On the other hand, "alternative" types of music certainly ought to appeal to intelligent persons, as the musicianship is usually more technical than that found in the top 40 pop drek, and the lyrics are definitely of a higher caliber in the indie genre ("my sh*t is bananas"... truly, you are the Frost of your generation)

Also.. (2, Insightful)

Doddman (953998) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437439)

Consider that some heavy metal is very intellegent music. Sure, when most people hear "heavy metal" they think Slipknot, Korn, Marilyn Manson and the ilk, but I can get into some Iron Maiden (The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is singularly the greatest metal song ever, and not only for it's music), Metallica (80's era) has some great political meaning, and Tool is fun to listen to and try to contemplate the possible meanings of the song. Or am I the only gifted nerd who thinks so?

Re:Also.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437627)

Gifted nerds tend to spell "intelligent" correctly.

Marilyn Manson (5, Insightful)

ScaryMonkey (886119) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437819)

As a side note, I've seen a couple interviews with Marilyn Manson and he comes across as surprisingly intelligent and well-spoken, even while still wearing the freaky makeup.

Really? (2, Funny)

mushadv (909107) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437447)

I thought'd it be math rock. [wikipedia.org]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'll leave through the side door.

Re:Really? (1)

pandaba (38513) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437669)

You can have both math rock and metal in the same package.

Meshuggah [youtube.com] would work. I'm not a musician so I don't know what sort of beat they're using but it's something that is far from the norm and does funny things to my brain. Kinda reminds me a little of Autechre but without any electronics.

Uh, wrong. Headline is misleading.. (5, Informative)

Swift Kick (240510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437465)

From the article:

The researchers surveyed 1,057 members of the National Academy for Gifted and Talented Youth - a body whose 120,000 student members are within the top five per cent academically in the 11-19 age range.

Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres.

So no, not 'many adolescent metalheads', but a few happen to be gifted, compared to the rest who listen to other types of music.

Also from the article:

The heavy metal fans in the study had lower self-esteem and more difficulties in family relationships and friendships.

So, if anything, one could hypothesize that gifted teenages that listen to heavy metal are more likely to have shitty self-esteem and quite possibly being perceived as asshats by family and friends, and listened to heavy metal as a way to 'cope' with the anger.

Just you wait until they start playing those tracks backwards....

Re:Uh, wrong. Headline is misleading.. (1)

allanw (842185) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437909)

And only SIX PERCENT of these 1000 smart teens liked heavy metal? That isn't much at all...

So if heavy metal listeners are so smart.... (-1, Flamebait)

8127972 (73495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437469)

.... How do you explain Metallica and their stance against P2P software? Their stance on this issue demonstrates a severe lack of intelligence.

Re:So if heavy metal listeners are so smart.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437555)

Prepare to be flamed because lots of people do not consider new Metallica metal :)

Re:So if heavy metal listeners are so smart.... (2, Insightful)

user24 (854467) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437597)

simple: to protect their ears, rock musicians often wear earplugs while playing.
Evidently Metallica have been playing for so long that it's some time since they actually listened to their own music (as can be evidenced by a quick play of, say, S&M)

Re:So if heavy metal listeners are so smart.... (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437697)

Disagreeing with somebody doesn't necessarily mean they're dumb.

Re:So if heavy metal listeners are so smart.... (1)

dc29A (636871) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437777)

Disagreeing with somebody doesn't necessarily mean they're dumb.

Not dumb but, problem with Metallica is that during the 80s they advocated piracy pretty much by encouraging people of bootlegging their shows and trade tapes. It's pretty much the reason they got popular. Fast forward and they spit on their fans, and sue them indirectly via Napster.

They are hypocrites. Not dumb. Pretty good businessmen too, they jumped on every possible fad in the 90s and made zillions! From Bon Jovitallica, to Alternica, to Grungetallica to Nu-tallica.

Re:So if heavy metal listeners are so smart.... (1)

wynler (678277) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437759)

Metallica hasn't been metal since the black album and even it was iffy.

Re:So if heavy metal listeners are so smart.... (1)

Nightspirit (846159) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437905)

Metallica is now poser metal; not even real metal anymore. Shit, my mom listens to metallica now. And my mom sure as hell doesn't listen to metal.

QFS (1)

oheso (898435) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437487)

Talented teens have trouble fitting in?

Troubled teens turn to music for comfort?

The only surprise to me is the preference for metal. I'd have guessed hip-hop (probably represented by the 18% 'R&B' in TFA) to be tops with today's teens, followed by techno.

Raw tunage... (1)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437495)

I was the same way in the 90's. I found the wave of impressive metal tunes rather impressive, almost nourishing. The emotional content was almost meaningless - but the intricacy and drive behind the chords made up for the annoyance with the manipulative and occasionally insipid emotional content of the songs.

It's hard to find music that holds a lot of interesting 'content' per second of sound. Perhaps in a signal-to-noise ratio, where crooning voices or cheap noise effects, metal just held the greatest signal for what I was listening for. Later, I found fast ska and electronic music of various sorts to hold even more of that same value, with less of the cheap emotion of metal.

Nowadays, my time spent listening to actual music is very little, but when I do, it is dominated by highly creative video game remixes [ocremix.org] . I find that the video game remix community consistently outperforms most other music both in terms of variety and interest per minute spent listening. But really, I don't listen to much music, when I can be listening to a nice science podcast, BBC documentary, or just considering my own thoughts in this short, wonderful little life I have.

Ryan Fenton

wanted to rock out, because school sucked (1)

Uksi (68751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437929)

I agree with your sentiments. Especially, when I was younger, I had a much harder time understanding any lyrics.. and hell, with many of the vocals, you had to strain to comprehend. So I didn't care what the lyrics were, all I knew is that the music was heavy and angry. There was a lot of energy in it, and being a stuck-behind-the-computer-all-day nerd during highschool, I needed a way to cope with the lack of social status and social (physical) activity.

I wanted to rock out, because there was nowhere else to do it.

Alkonost is a Russian folk black metal band I've been recently listening too. It's quite good: melodic Russian folk music tunage, set against powerchords and death grunts. (*makes deathgrunt sound*)

I'm skeptic on this (1)

PhetusPolice (934823) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437497)

Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres.

So, out of the top 5 percent, cream-of-the-crop, 6 percent of them say they like heavy metal.

Personally, I find that music is just a medium to help express one's view of the world around them, whether it be turbulent or ambient, genuity isn't normally the factor. People hear music and say whether or not they can relate, just by hearing the sound and rhythm.

Megadeth!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437507)

I like the video where they ride on horses and have that fist carrying around with them which they handle like a fetish.

I also love Bon Jovi. He rocks so hard.

I never like Van Halen. Their hair style is soo ugly in the old videos.

Refusal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437513)

I refuse to believe the younger generation is smart. I remember back in the day when us adults used to gather around the phonograph, listening to the music of the swinging 20's, play with our mercury, and look at our bones with unprotected x-rays. Yep, we sure are much smarter than those young whippersnappers!

Rock, R&B, and Pop are all better than Heavy M (2, Insightful)

blu3 b0y (908852) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437573)

From TFA (emphasis mine):

The researchers surveyed 1,057 members of the National Academy for Gifted and Talented Youth - a body whose 120,000 student members are within the top five per cent academically in the 11-19 age range.

Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres.

The heavy metal fans in the study had lower self-esteem and more difficulties in family relationships and friendships.

So over six times as many gifted kids use rock music to cope with being S.M.R.T., and the heavy metal kids are more likely to have low self-esteem and difficulties with relationships.

How the hell is this good news for teen metal fans or parents of same? If your kid likes metal, they might be a genius, but a maladjusted one with little confidence. Alternately, if your kids likes rock, they are 6.6 times more likely to be a genius.

The summary is a true masterwork of spin and the Telegraph editors should be spanked for skewing the article so blatantly.

Also, I had no idea percent was two words in British English...

Re:Rock, R&B, and Pop are all better than Heav (1)

hypermanng (155858) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437687)

"Alternately, if your kids likes rock, they are 6.6 times more likely to be a genius"

I'm sure you have no difficulty figuring out how this statement is wrong.

I program to metal (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437601)

I listen to just about everything, but I listen to a lot of metal when programming. In fact just recently, I got back into Maiden. Its been a while, but its good to program to.

I don't think that it necessarily helps me deal with stress, but it helps me focus or tune out everything else.

A lot of metal like Maiden revolves around scales -- aeolian, pentatonic, etc. Maybe its that structure that "gifted" people like.

Of course, some metal has a groove to it, like Back in Black. Now that I think about it, I program more against the classical based metal than the blues based stuff.

possible explanation (3, Insightful)

fred fleenblat (463628) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437603)

I suppose some of it might be that gifted children could have a degree of asperger's syndrome and aren't as able to relate to the oh-baby-baby emotive style of typical pop music.

Or the simpler explanation... (5, Insightful)

MisterCookie (991581) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437609)

Maybe they just like the music? I'm a member of the International Baccalaureate program and few of my peers have similar tastes in music. I waste my life listening to video game soundtracks, a few other members like classical, one likes techno. And for every smart kid who listens to heavy metal, there's fifty moronic ones that do the same. Only six percent of intelligent students like it and they act like its a massive majority.

Resist the Crowd Mentality (4, Insightful)

MrSteveSD (801820) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437615)

If you show keenness or interest in a subject at school, you are already likely to be treated as an outsider. You don't have to be a genius to be an outcast. I think the pressure to conform to the "hive mind" at school is the thing that really holds children back.

geniuses and musical preferences (1)

CaptainNerdCave (982411) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437673)

i tend to agree that the more intelligent among us do gravitate towards "heavy" music. personally, out of all the very smart people that i have known through my teenage years, the majority were metalheads. i'm not talking just metallica type stuff... these guys love stuff like reveille (sp?), creatures of habit (omaha band), slipknot, korn (never could understand that one), slayer, venom, propain, type-o negative, fear factory, the list goes on and on...

the things that most of the really intelligent ones had in common was that they would not just listen to this stuff, they also picked up instruments, the smartest played more than one (especially one guy that was two years below me in high school, piano, tuba, guitar, something else *remarkable*).

the worst part about these guys/gals is that music isn't enough to make the world bearable, they often drift into crowds with other much dumber children and try to fit in... which doesn't work until liquor and other drugs are added to the picture. thus... many of the greatest minds are damaged beyond repair through their associating with below-average brains in an attempt to feel a personal connection that they can't seem to find anywhere else. what's even worse? the educational system making them feel like they aren't supposed to be intelligent; many of these people don't fully utilize their abilities. eventually, they lose touch with themselves, start feeling useless, develop depression, etc... there are so many connections to be made, it's nowhere close to funny.

maybe i'll get around to putting together an essay on this topic...

Yes, yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437691)

Nerd ego stroking FTW!!!

anyone else get into metal later in life? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437693)

I'm 49. In high school and college I listened to classical (which I still like) and some more popular music.

I just discovered metal a few years ago, and am big into it now - love Godsmack and even some harder bands like Cradle of Filth. But it seems like most people get into it at a much earlier age. Any other of my fellow old farts just develop the taste for it recently?

another brilliant conclusion... not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437699)

But maybe a more accurate headline wouldn't generate enough clickthroughs:

Many teenagers enjoy heavy metal music

"Many teenagers say that heavy metal music helps them relax, bond with their peers, socialize with members of the opposite sex, and adapt to the stresses of their life. And studies show scholastically gifted teens are apparently no less likely to enjoy this type of music than their peers."

Bruce Dickenson's School for the Gifted (4, Funny)

imAck (102644) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437721)

You've not experienced The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner until you've read it in the original Iron Maiden.

What kind of music did the author listen to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437739)

The smartest people I have ever known all listened to classical music.
The most arrogant people I have ever known all listened to heavy metal.
What kind of music did the author of the article listen to?

Gifted children aren't a monoculture. (4, Interesting)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437747)

This article basically makes no sense.

Gifted children: is there a single type of gifted children? Gifted in what? You can be very gifted in certain areas and suck in other areas.

Also, it's funny that the fellow Slashdot commenters which listen to heavy metal read this as "you listen to heavy metal, so this confirms you're gifted". I don't blame anyone for putting on his rose glasses though. It's only natural.

For the record, gifted children are not a monoculture. There are some gifted children who listen to heavy metal to deal with stress of being a teenager. Nice. There are also gifted children who don't listen to heavy metal, and heavy metal listeners that aren't gifted.

You're walking away from this article slightly less mentally gifted. Slashdot, you suck.

Re:Gifted children aren't a monoculture. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437839)

Mr. Chen was good at bow shooting. And once when Mr. Chen was practicing in his garden, a old oil seller stood outside his garden and watched his exercise and nodded a little bit. Mr. Chen felt unhappy and asked "Do you know bow shooting? Isn't my shooting the best?" And the oldman said"Nothing but just some know-how". Mr. Chen got angry and shout "How dare you!" The oldman replied "I know this from my oil selling, let's put a bottle on the ground, cover its opening with a coin(in ancient China and even nowadays Japan, coin comes with a hole on its center for convenient carrying) and I can poll oil into the bottle without spliting even a single drop of oil. So, that's why I say it's nothing but just some know-how." Mr. Chen smiled and dismissed this oil seller.

Re:Gifted children aren't a monoculture. (1, Insightful)

aldo.gs (985038) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437851)

So, let me see...

For the record, gifted children are not a monoculture. There are some gifted children who listen to heavy metal to deal with stress of being a teenager. Nice. There are also gifted children who don't listen to heavy metal, and heavy metal listeners that aren't gifted.
But TFA says

Researchers found that, far from being a sign of delinquency and poor academic ability, many adolescent "metalheads" are extremely bright and often use the music to help them deal with the stresses and strains of being gifted social outsiders.
So yes, many (not all) gifted children listen heavy metal... and there could be (are) gifted children who don't. Simply put: I didn't get what you tried to say. But I'm walking from reading your comment slightly less mentally gifted.

Re:Gifted children aren't a monoculture. (2)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437945)

There are also gifted children who don't listen to heavy metal, and heavy metal listeners that aren't gifted.

Agreed. Without access to the full study, this writeup doesn't really mean anything.

TFA: Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres.

From the sounds of this, articles could easily have been written stating that "Gifted Children Find R&B Comforting" or "Gifted Children Find Pop Comforting".

Heavy Metal and DB design (1)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437805)

I don't know if any other slashdot user has noticed, but those who construct large databases tend to be the ones who listen to Metalica full blast over their headphones. I have never understood as I find it distracting... even not wearing the headphones and being some distance away.

metal != smart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437809)

Sigh...

Just because you listen to metal doesn't mean you are gifted...

Heh, I'm a perfect example of that...

That's because it's not cool anymore. (3, Insightful)

edunbar93 (141167) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437821)

I know for absolute certain that the kids in *my* highschool that listened to heavy metal were most certainly not the best and the brightest. But that was back when bands like Metallica and Megadeth were at the top of the music charts, and Jerry Falwell and Tipper Gore were trying to make a political career out of the genre.

I think that this article is more like "nerdy kids listen to music that isn't cool."

GCOCK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437829)

Move forward, the partY in street

As I've Always Said (1)

Master of Transhuman (597628) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437833)


Expansive minds respond to expansive art.

Whatever you consider "expansive" to be, anyway...

I listen to everything from movie themes to Def Leppard to Enya to Enigma to Phil Collins to Peter Gabriel to New Age to Metallica to Sisters of Mercy to Billy Idol to Kate Bush to Tori Amos to the Corrs. If it's "expansive" in any way, I tend to like it.

I DO NOT listen to rap, R&B, soul, country, western, hip-hop, jazz, grunge, and most teen bimbo pop (making an exception for JoJo - however, hot little fifteen-year-old that she is, she can't match Andrea Corr - who, BTW, has a solo album called "Ten Feet High" coming out end of May while her siblings take a break and have kids.)

Hrm, not quite metal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18437857)

I love Deftones! Otherwise mostly "hard stuff" or techno! (The crazier the better)

according to research (1)

slashpot (11017) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437901)

Well, there ya go - it must be true then.

I wonder what the control group chose to listen to? Lets assume (yeah, I know) that normal kids chose top 40... so what about the stupidest kids they researched, what did they listen to? My money's on republican talk radio.

Here we go again... (1)

had3l (814482) | more than 7 years ago | (#18437939)

When I think of it, not all the smart people in my high school listened to heavy metal, but all that did were really smart...

But they weren't social outcasts or had any trouble, they just... happened to like heavy metal.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Maybe they just don't wanna listen to what the pop industry is shoving down their throats, or maybe there is just another factor. Maybe it is exactly what the OP said. Every theory is just as likely as the next, right now it just seems like people are throwing wild guesses until one of them sticks.
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