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College Demands RIAA Pay Up For Wasting Its Time

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the me-next-me-next dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "We've already seen the University of Wisconsin tell the RIAA to go away, but the University of Nebaska has gone one step further: it's asking the RIAA to pay up for wasting its time with the silly demand to push students into paying up. The spokesperson for the University also notes that since they constantly rotate IP addresses and have no need to hang onto that information for very long, they simply cannot help the RIAA. They have no clue who was attached to which IP address at the time the RIAA is complaining about."

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Good (5, Insightful)

dlhm (739554) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446605)

They should stick it to 'em as hard as the riaa is sticking it to everyone else!!

Re:Good (1)

servo335 (853111) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446633)

Wow this whole day of slashdot has been mostly made up of people fighting back against the RIAA. About time people develope a back bone!!

Re:Good (4, Funny)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446775)

Re:Good (4, Interesting)

Gerzel (240421) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446715)

I don't think "as hard" is appropriate esp since I believe that the RIAA, from what I have seen, is abusing the US legal and court system and their political and monetary power (yes monetary power CAN be abused).

While I don't know if the RIAA has done anything in particular illegal (though I am fairly sure they have somewhere along the line) I still see the trends in their lawsuits and tactics as abusive and deserving of a civil (if that really counts between two very large organizations neither of which are really citizens) hearing.

Re:Good (3, Insightful)

Ayal.Rosenthal (1070472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446955)

Hell yes. The key to enforcing copyright protection is not by suing Universities and other centers of learning, its about influencing consumer behavior. When the last time anyone bought a CD?!?! (except for the BS reason "to support the band"... go their show instead)

Re:Good (3, Insightful)

teflaime (738532) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447403)

Except that if you buy it directly from the band, they get the profit...Well, okay, I listen to mostly indie acts with no label so they sell their own CDs...Yeah, I know. I'm a deviant.

Re:Good (1)

h2g2bob (948006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447501)

Frequently... after checking RIAA Radar, of course!

Surprised This Is News (4, Informative)

MikeyTheK (873329) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447315)

I'm a little surprised this is news. Generally speaking third parties are entitled to be compensated for their costs of complying with subpoenas in civil cases. Normally the receiving parties notify the issuer of the subpoena what the reasonable and necessary costs are of complying with the subpoena, and generally demand payment up front. I don't know why this is any different.

What's up with the BlueRay Slashdot Ads. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447601)

Slashdot,

Please, no BlueRay Ads. It is still a DRM format. Until the DRM is broken (and Sony doesn't jail people over fair use), I want no part
of it.

I changed my hosts file to point the associated advertisers to localhost.

I don't mind adds. But I would rather not see ads that are offensive.

Perhaps as part of you settings, you could describe classes of Ads that are counterproductive to show to me.

RIAA needs to pay me... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18446617)

For wasting my time with all these frivolous lawsuits I have to read about...

Re:RIAA needs to pay me... (4, Funny)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447407)

RIAA needs to pay me..

Better get that plane ticket to Soviet Russia then. I've heard the time travel costs extra.

Welcome to ... (5, Funny)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446637)

Welcome to RIAADot
News for lawyers, trials that matters ...

Re:Welcome to ... (1, Insightful)

solevita (967690) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446887)

The **AA seems to be a bit like terrorism; they only win if you allow yourself to be scared by them.

It seems like the **AA really have got a hold of Slashdot. Oh well, it's April's fools day next week. Let's hope that in two weeks Slashdot starts posting some higher quality stories.

Re:Welcome to ... (4, Funny)

Gospodin (547743) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447351)

This really worries me, since I use USAA [usaa.com] for a lot of my insurance and banking.

Re:Welcome to ... (5, Funny)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447205)

Slashdot Categories

(As seen to the left)

RIAAdot Categories

College Students
Single Mothers
Dissabled Vets
Household pets
The Deceased
Newborn babies
People without internet

No one is safe from the law!

Perhaps (5, Interesting)

rblancarte (213492) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446663)

I think that we are seeing that people are finally getting fed up with the RIAA. Their tactics are quasi-illegal, and their manners are boorish. Maybe 2007 is the year that people finally get wise and stand up to the RIAA. A few losses in court, which IMHO are pretty much a slam dunk, and I think we will see the RIAA have to stand down this attack on music consumers.

What has disappointed me was the fact that no one has stood up to them before to finally beat them in court. There has to be a first case and once there is, it will set the precedent.

RonB

Re:Perhaps (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446895)

I think in this case it's people getting tired of RIAA making demands on overworked IT departments in what often amounts to warrantless fishing expeditions. I don't think the colleges in question approve of illegal music swapping, but merely that they have better things to do. The attack on RIAA from the legal side is much more interesting, and I wonder if the courts are beginning themselves to tire of what seem to be nuisance lawsuits that often have very little evidentiary backing.

Re:Perhaps (5, Insightful)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447455)

I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments in the ablove posts, but I really feel it's important that we drop the figleaf that is the term that is the 'RIAA'.

The people whose actions so many of us detest, who sue disabled pensioners and little girls who don't even own computers, who whine and bitch and claim the sky is falling every time some new technology comes along, who engage in price fixing, who rip off the artists they claim to represent while simultaneously saying that they're engaging in anti-piracy activity for their benefit (all the time without missing a beat and smiling, smiling, smiling), who LIE to the media and inflate and invent the losses they say they're cost by the eeeeevil pirates...

THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT THE RIAA.

THEY ARE THE 'MAJOR' RECORD COMPANIES.

(And their number is legion) [riaa.com]

Re:Perhaps (1)

computational super (740265) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447499)

Although I'm on the university's side about this... I somehow doubt that their claims are 100% accurate. If the FBI showed up with evidence that somebody had been using their networks for illegal purposes, I'm pretty sure they'd suddenly discover that log data in a dusty server room somewhere...

Re:Perhaps (1)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446915)

Add to that the fact that CD sales are dropping by, what, 20% a year and the entire industry may be dead in a few.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Now, how about we see to the MPAA...

Re:Perhaps (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446943)

According to the local news (NBC affiliate) it's all the fault of those Evil Content Pirates(tm) [phrasing mine -- they said "illegal downloads"]

Re:Perhaps (3, Interesting)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447067)

At least DVD have extra contents, I used to buy at least 4 CDs for every movie I would watch. Now since the DVDs are quite cheap and they improved alot the marketing (adding nice packaging and extra features), I do buy alot more DVDs than CDs.

Personally, I have alot more pleasure watching my DVD collection than seeing all these overpriced CDs with no-extra content and which are quite expensive only because of the majors. Not that I endorse the MPAA but at least the movie industry made more efforts than the music industry to renew themselves.

Re:Perhaps (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447241)

Now, how about we see to the MPAA...

Screw these piss-ants! How about we see to the election [slashdot.org] ??

Re:Perhaps (1)

rez_rat (1618) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446923)

Slashdot... there really needs to be a "No shit!" mod. Just for those times when you really wanna agree and say, "No SHIT!"

S-

Re:Perhaps (3, Funny)

celardore (844933) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447553)

Ugh... I just tried to mod you "obvious".

Re:Perhaps (1)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446959)

Yeah I hope that it will end all of these cases where individuals get attacked without solid proofs by large corporations.
Their tactics are really questionable, instead of going to the source, they seem to attack many users which did not really made a difference in piracy on a global level. While I do not know if this has a real effect on most of the users, it seems very questionable in terms of prejudice compared to the damage caused by the users of P2P programs.
If they went against people who are actively sharing only for the purpose of sharing, I could understand from their point of view, but they just go after users who would not buy their stuff anyway.

Re:Perhaps (1)

griffjon (14945) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447271)

Hell, I've been intentionally boycotting the RIAA since they took AudioGalaxy down, and by accident even before then (their affiliated labels so rarely have any good music on them). I'm sad it's taken this long for the loathing to spread outside of the geek circles.

Re:Perhaps (4, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447311)

I love it when someone stands up to a bully. It gives me hope that there is still some decency left in the public realm when an institution like University of Nebraska, who's got a lot to lose, tells the RIAA to go pound sand.

I've dealt with University legal departments, and they can be among the most cowardly and smarmy of lawyers (which is like saying the "smelliest shit"), and it's really amazing that the administration of the UofN actually ignored their exposure to tell RIAA that they simply weren't going to be pushed around. I remember when a very powerful guy, who's daughter had committed suicide because of the pressure her religious father put on her because she committed the grevious sin of having a boyfriend, tried to pressure the University that I was working for a the time to give up email records so he could find out who the boyfriend was. It was clear at the time that his intention was to go after this boy for "sinning" with his daughter, which I guess was more important than realizing that it was the father who was the one putting fatal pressure on the girl. I still remember the university attorney, who used to be part of a floating Friday night card game, stood up to the guy and told him that they weren't going to give this father a single email, not a bit of information. He was threatened with violence and professional destruction by this rich and powerful asshole, but the U stood behind the lawyer.

I love to see a bully getting a boot in the ass. Their arrogant, outraged, sputtering after realizing they aren't going to get their way is priceless.

uncle sam (will) say so (5, Insightful)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446667)

The spokesperson for the University also notes that since they constantly rotate IP addresses and have no need to hang onto that information for very long, they simply cannot help the RIAA.

Coming soon, federal legislation giving the University a need to hang onto that information.

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (3, Insightful)

realmolo (574068) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446855)

They are trying to do just that:

http://news.com.com/FBI+director+wants+ISPs+to+tra ck+users/2100-7348_3-6126877.html [com.com]

It'll probably never happen. But ONLY because it's completely impractical from a technical standpoint.

Also, if you've never heard of CALEA, do a search. ISPs are already (as of this month) required to help law-enforcement spy on users. At great expense and hassle.

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (5, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447037)

Uh, CALEA mandates technical mechanisms for providing information to law enforcement when required by a court order, so that things like wiretaps of VoIP phones or intercepting electronic communications can, you know, actually be done when necessitated by a court order.

It was also passed in 1994 (i.e., not under Bush), and isn't new (though the deadline for compliance is May 2007).

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (2, Insightful)

steelfood (895457) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447485)

There's also a huge difference between being asked to provide assistance, and being asked to keep and maintain records. Schools and ISP's can provide all the assistance law enforcement wants, but if they don't have a log of all the traffic in their network, that assistance would amount to nothing of consequence for retroactive investigations.

Besides, the telecos would not like laws requiring keeping and maintaining traffic logs, and probably would lobby against them. After all, they'd shoulder the burden of the costs, and even more so, if anything should happen to those logs (fire, failed back-ups, etc.) they'd be the responsible party. Now, they let the government set up spy stations mostly because they wouldn't be responsible for the spying or the data collected, and it doesn't cost terribly much.

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447691)

CALEA mandates technical mechanisms for providing information to law enforcement when required by a court order


Wasn't there a slashdot article a few days ago about the FBI retrieving information from phone companies and conveniently "forgetting" to actually issue warrants? Comparing ISP's and phone companies is sort of comparing apples to oranges, but I think I'll go out on a limb here (with my tinfoil hat) and ponder how many "court orders" will be bypassed.

Call my cynical.

(Offtopic, I know; my apologies)

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447353)

Heh, "impractical" never stopped them before. It just gives cause to raise taxes.

Create more debt (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447661)

It just gives cause to raise taxes
Create debt, maintain debt, keep people in debt, work them until they die of debt.

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (1)

waif69 (322360) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447657)

Since when has Congress or any legislative body ever concerned itself with viability? It's not like they are comprised of technical people, nor are they willing to give up a bad idea when they have agreed with it. Just follow the $$$, the RIAA puts money in the D/RNC treasuries and the politicos vote they way they are told. Very few vote the way their constituents want, at least not until elections loom near.

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (1, Interesting)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446925)

I love how paranoid speculation like this is always marked "Insightful".

How about this: what if such "federal legislation" is, in fact, not "coming soon"?

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (1)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447157)

I love how paranoid speculation like this is always marked "Insightful". How about this: what if such "federal legislation" is, in fact, not "coming soon"?

You seem to be having trouble understanding the post. Here, let me help you out. [wikipedia.org]

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (4, Insightful)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447201)

what if such "federal legislation" is, in fact, not "coming soon"?

Answer: You won't get marked as insightful then :)

who are you rooting for? (1, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446933)

your cynicism belies a lack of heart. even if your cynical jibe were actually true, it would be a call to arms against our representatives about whose interest they are serving in washington. not a call for snide sarcastic comments that, in the end, betrays the fact that you accept your fate as a citizen in a corporatocracy

is it right the riaa can give away money and create legislation that screws the citizens of a country? of course not. does it happen all of the time, corporate interests trumping the interest of the citzenry? of course. but i say that people like you, who just comment on that reality cynically, are part of the problem.

because in your cynicism is acceptance

wrong: you should be angry, not cynical

so i ask again: who are you rooting for? the riaa? if not, then drop the retarded cynicism, please

sarcasm and cynicism are the hallmark of the weak mind, not the intelligent mind, contrary to popular belief

cynics need to shut the fuck up, and grow a heart, cynicism != intelligence, as many of you think you are showcasing when you say something sarcastic. you are simply showcasing your own weak will

Re:who are you rooting for? (1)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447285)

but i say that people like you, who just comment on that reality cynically, are part of the problem. because in your cynicism is acceptance

And I say that people who cannot accept how a system functions, have no hope of making steps to make it work to their own benefit.

Is it really better to deny reality, because that reality reflects the naked ugliness of the corporate person (and by extension, human nature as a whole)?

Re:who are you rooting for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447545)

OK, so I become angry. So what? Perhaps I should write a strongly worded (and ANGRY!) letter to my representative? Nope, I'm just supposed to "shut the fuck up". But at least I've grown a heart. And become angry.

How does this help again?

Re:uncle sam (will) say so (4, Interesting)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447217)

A lot must have changed in the last ten years. It looked to me that [machine named after a Peanuts character](*) kept track of DHCP leases for years, recording who got what IP and what their machine's MAC address was. I was once tasked to audit the information for two semesters to update the DHCP server for the next year. Students who were caught trying to get an unassigned static IP got their MAC addresses banned. They've caught students buying new NICs to get new, unbanned MAC addresses to get back on the network before.

Meanwhile, the assignment of static IPs by DHCP must have also gone by the wayside, as when I was in the "residence halls" I was disturbed to discover that the IP addresses also had domain names identifying residence hall and room number and no option to have that information be removed.

I guess that with the addition of wireless access on campus, there was suddenly far more information than they could handle and felt there was no longer any point in tracking it beyond, what are they saying, 31 days?

(*) I'm pretty sure I know which machine, but there's no point in saying it here as it is inaccessible from off campus. I was there when they disallowed pings and traceroutes from the outside for reasons of network security, and that still appears to be the case. There's more than one Peanuts-named machine on campus.

MAFIAA gets a beating (1)

mrbcs (737902) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446681)

Nice to see the MAFIAA taking a beating in three stories today. Maybe the tide can finally turn and this bullshit will all end.

IP address is to the lbig MAC address (1, Offtopic)

SlashdotTroll (581611) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446693)

RIAA: What was the MAC to the IP at the time...you, University Admin!
Admin: Fo' schizzle my nizzle.

Gnat on an elephant's back (5, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446713)

While I applaud the move, Nebraska is but a minor annoyance to the deep pockets of the RIAA. For this to have the fullest effect, a large proportion of the colleges/universities in the country would have to band together and make a class-action case of it, IMHO. Individual schools can score points, but they won't score a clean enough victory to stop this nonsense.

Re:Gnat on an elephant's back (5, Insightful)

e4g4 (533831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447169)

Indeed, and let's not forget that for every University of Nebraska, there's a Penn State with draconian AUPs that require MAC addresses be associated with a particular student before being granted internet access, thus greatly simplifying the process of associating an IP address with a particular student.

So, yeah, while this move by U of N is a good one, it's hard to say how significant it's impact will be in the grand scheme of things.

Re:Gnat on an elephant's back (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447745)

Indeed, and let's not forget that for every University of Nebraska, there's a Penn State with draconian AUPs that require MAC addresses be associated with a particular student before being granted internet access, thus greatly simplifying the process of associating an IP address with a particular student.
Funny. Last I worked for UNL's Information Services department (formerly Computing Resource Center), that was their policy.

Of course, that was ten years ago. They may have replaced their DHCP software with something else that doesn't provide easily greppable logs anymore.

Re:Gnat on an elephant's back (1)

TMarvelous (928161) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447583)

One university no matter how large may not be able to thwart the dep pockets of the RIAA directly, but there is a huge PR battle being fought here. The RIAA itself says it uses these lawsuits against individuals to scare off potential "violators" which is a PR tactic. One lawsuit isn't enough to stop file-sharing but it may scare off a lot of other file sharers.

In the same fashion University of Nebrasking suing the RIAA won't stop them but it will put other individuals and institutions on notice that they don't have to bend over and take it from the RIAA.

No matter how deep the RIAA pockets are - there is no money they can spend to prevent that from happening.

Nebraska .. Nebraska .. (1)

djtachyon (975314) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447683)

Never heard of it.. oh wait .. thats where all the coastline yuppies are moving to! Lets move there with whitey and damn the man!

New Slashdot recipe - Improved !!! (-1, Offtopic)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446727)

  • 1 - Digg [digg.com] RIAA
  • 2 - ???
  • 3 - Profit

U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (0, Troll)

SeaDour (704727) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446749)

If they don't track IP addresses, what's to stop the students from trying to break into, say, the registar office's servers to alter their grades?

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (1)

mooglez (795643) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446805)

Are you seriously suggesting that that is the only thing preventing or keeping students from altering their grades?

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (1)

ThinkingInBinary (899485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447053)

"altering" != "trying to alter". Of course they probably won't be able to alter them, but it would of course be useful to know who's trying, since that's probably punishable as well.

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (5, Interesting)

nutznboltz2003 (832752) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446881)

UNL's network is open on the student side. You can run servers, game servers, web cams, whatever the hell you want. The thing is though, if you get caught, and they can prove who you are, they toss your sorry butt to the wolves. The student side is much more open the the restricted faculty/staff/admin side. A student plugging their machine into that side is likely to get caught pretty quickly.

I'm also pretty sure that the IP is kept longer then they admit. I have friends attending UNL and they have had the same IP all year. It did not even change when they went home for x-mas break. I think they have the ability to help the RIAA if they want, but with all the bad press, and Nebraska's need for recruiting out-of-state students, this is the perfect publicity stunt. "Come to Nebraska and leech without fear of being turned in".

Overall, I think they are no more a haven for hackers than any other large University. Most seem to have the attitude of "do what you want, but don't get caught".

mod -2 (0, Offtopic)

jhesse (138516) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447297)

The student side is much more open the the restricted faculty/staff/admin side.
-1: use of "the the"
-1: "faculty/staff/admin" side is unrestricted. (Students have 'soft limits' on per-day bandwidth)

mod -2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447689)

-2: Pretentious arrogant arsehole.

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446909)

They said they don't keep the IP logs for very long, not they don't keep logs at all.

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (1)

beef623 (998368) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446911)

If they did track the IP, all they would get would be the machine where the attack came from which wouldn't really be all that helpful at a university anyway. They probably keep track of the username.

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (1)

markbt73 (1032962) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447023)

"I've got it right here, Mrs. Bueller! he has been absent nine times."

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447383)

Blocking those student IP blocks from accessing any such servers altogether?

Trust me, hiding your IP would be the easiest part of breaking into a major university's student information system. It'd be much simpler too, to purge any logs of who had what IP when, than it would be to clear up the audit trail on the SIS system.

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447567)

If they don't track IP addresses, what's to stop the students from trying to break into, say, the registar office's servers to alter their grades?


Presumably, the same security that prevents people from breaking into those servers that aren't originating on the U of Nebraska student network.

Re:U of Nebraska = Haven for Hackers? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447599)

I would say nothing. But if a student is good enough to hack into the registrar's office servers, they are good enough to cover their tracks.

Holy shit !!! This is becoming more fun day by day (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446761)

Such good things happening lately are cheering me up in the middle of a workday when i come to slashdot at chillout breaks.

I hope Nebraska Wins (3, Funny)

CF4L (1072112) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446789)

Then maybe they will set a precedent such that I can sue coworkers who invite me to meetings as "required" that I don't have any reason to be at. That will make them thing twice when creating the invitee list.

What's going to happen (3, Interesting)

br0d (765028) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446831)

is that the RIAA is going to start suing schools. And that is when I pop the popcorn.

well, you could check out NU's use guidelines (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447239)

they flatly say in the 2001 document that they are a carrier, and students had better assume that they are visible and not protected if they hink around the law or educational propriety.

sounds like my alma mater has nicely insulated themselves and told everybody just how the cow eats the cabbage (and wrecks two crops in the process.)

I'd say that it's time to play The Rouser, folks, another touchdown for good ol' Nebraska U!

http://www.nebraska.edu/about/exec_memo16.pdf [nebraska.edu]

RIAA never heard of dynamic addressing, heh (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446863)

I'm surprised they ever picked up on this Internet thingy.

bunch 'a' dinosaurs.

dismiss it all with prejudice and stick RIAA with the costs. serves 'em right.

What I wrote in their support (5, Interesting)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446869)

Here's the letter I wrote to the president of UNL, the chancellor, each of the regents, and the CIO (Mr. Weir):

College is the time for many children to grow into adults by learning to make their own decicions, often for the first time in their lives. Access to information about those decisions is important, and the ability to get it anonymously is critical. No boy wants his friends to know that he was contemplating suicide. No girls wants to be seen asking about sexually transmitted diseases. Unless they know that their questions can't be tracked back to them, most kids won't ask them.

Walter Weir's IT policies contribute to the atmosphere of open learning that a university, of all places, should strive to attain. Now, some group from Hollywood wants UNL to overhaul its computer network for the explicit purpose of destroying that, simply to serve ends that the school has no real reason to care about. As a computer scientist and a Nebraska taxpayer, I have these additional problems with their request:

1) I am not interested in seeing my money used to persecute kids for trading songs, much as you and I traded tapes with our friends when we were younger.

2) IP addresses are traceable to computers, not people. If two or more kids share a computer, who gets the cease-and-desist notice? The RIAA has a history of doing asinine things like suing dead grandmothers; yes, that really happened. I'd much rather see UNL say that their requests can't be answered than to get involved in such foolish and expensive unpleasantry.

3) Again, the current system works and I see no reason to change it to benefit one outside group with dubious interests. Computer networks are hard to build, and harder to build well. Mr. Weir's department has done a fine job and he should not be made to enact its destruction.

Just say no to the RIAA. We have a system that serves us - the citizens, taxpayers, and students of Nebraska - very well. UNL's network is meant for the education and personal growth of its users. It is not meant to be the unpaid police force for an outside party with no concern for our needs.

I got several replies of agreement, and I think that the school will be holding its ground.

GO HUSKERS!

Re:What I wrote in their support (-1, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447017)

Re:What I wrote in their support (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447233)

Who justified piracy? I don't advocate it, but I don't think college kids need to be bankrupted because they gave an MP3 to a friend. Furthermore, you seemed to miss the part about having received replies. I don't usually bother replying to emails that I'm just going to delete, but maybe that's just me.

Re:What I wrote in their support (4, Interesting)

swid27 (869237) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447213)

Well said. You should send that along to the Lincoln Journal Star [townnews.com] , the Omaha World-Herald [mailto] and the Daily Nebraskan [dailynebraskan.com] .

Hey Slashdot! Want to have fun? Read (and reply to) some of the comments in the Journal Star articles about UNL and the RIAA (available here [journalstar.com] and here [journalstar.com] .)

Go Cornhuskers, Go Big Red! (3, Funny)

schwit1 (797399) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446927)

I think y'all oughta introduce some of those mafiaa lawyers to your livestock ... "squeal like a pig".

Go Huskers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18446937)

I applaud the University of Nebraska in this move and hope that its student body continue to steal "music" to their hearts content.

Lets be realistic here. The music industry cannot die fast enough, for all our sakes. No decent music has been composed since Shostakovich died. All this "Rock" and "Roll" and "Hip-Hopping" is nothing more than the flatulence of Neanderthals, composed and performed only to facilitate delinquency, substance abuse, and sexual deviance.

Only when the last "hepcat" has been strangled with the strings of the last electric guitar, the last "Em See" has been beaten to death with the last iPod, and the pestilence of the "music biz" is for all time done away with, only then will human culture be able to move forward to authentic new acheivements in the field of musical composition.

So download all you want, University of Nebraska students, you can't "kill music" fast enough, for all our sakes.

fuck the RIAA (3, Insightful)

ttnuagmada (1064148) | more than 7 years ago | (#18446945)

if the RIAA didnt force absolute fucking garbage down our throats through the likes of networks like Clear Channel, they might have better CD sales. In the last few years it seems to me like the RIAA is trying to make the absolute worst fucking music it could possibly ever make just because they know 16 year old girls will buy anything they think is supposed to be popular. the bottom line is that they arent selling the CD's they used to sell because popular modern music from every single genre is studio manufactured dogshit with no originality or artistic merit whatsoever, and as stupid and lame and tasteless as the average person might be they all arent THAT stupid.

Clear Channel is a tool. (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447613)

To be fair, Clear Channel is a corporate entity, and it's RIAA backing and conservative morals can be flipped in a second if consumers push for it. In the Madison, WI market a clear channel station (92.1) picked up Air America/The Mic and a number of left wing talk shows. After 3 years, Clear Channel was about to pull the plug on it. As soon as word got out though, consumer pressure on the advertisers drove a number of advertisers to go to clear channel and threaten to pull their adds if the station format changed. The end result, we still have a left wing radio station in Madison.

-Rick

They should play their strong hand (5, Insightful)

humphrm (18130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447055)

The RIAA so far has been playing the "We've got deeper pockets and more lawyers than you" card.

Schools should play the "We've got law students galore, just itching for something to work on" card.

Re:They should play their strong hand (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447717)

The law professors wouldn't want to risk their careers and personal lives on it. If the RIAA can afford to mount these kinds of campaigns they could probably afford a few smear campaigns to keep the academics in check--nobody knows how to create a smear campaign like attorneys (or insurance brokers) do.

You go Farmboys !!! (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447079)

Heaploads of love and support for ya from other end of the world, Turkey.

FUCK YOU SEVEN ELEVEN! (0, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447095)

If they'd stock SNACKS I LIKE, maybe i wouldn't shoplift so much.

Why should I have to pay for a whole fruit pie when I ONLY LIKE THE FILLING! I'd rather support small local indie pie makers than just give my money to THE HOSTESS CORPORATION.

Fuck those guys man! The 7-11 mafiaa is going down.

IM JUST LIKE GAHNDI.

Re:FUCK YOU SEVEN ELEVEN! (2, Informative)

Nos. (179609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447257)

Repeat after me, copyright infringement is not theft.

Re:FUCK YOU SEVEN ELEVEN! (2, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447321)

Repeat after me..

Sucking the filling out of hostess fruit pies at seven eleven and then putting them back is not theft.

It'd vandalism.

Semantics are fun.

Re:FUCK YOU SEVEN ELEVEN! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447437)

So does that mean you think the difference between petty theft and copyright infringement is only semantic?

If so, does that mean you think the penalty for copyright infringement should be the same as petty theft?

Because if so, I agree. Hell with this hundreds of dollars per song crap.

Re:FUCK YOU SEVEN ELEVEN! (1)

Nos. (179609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447631)

No, that is theft. You have taken property from another without permission. It might also be vandalism, but its still definitely theft.

RIAA RIAA MAFIAAAA (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447101)

another 10 minutes, another tedious slashdot masturbation-fest about the RIAA.
jesus kids, give it a break will you. If kids werent copying so much copyrighted music we wouldnt be in this mess,
fucking thieves.

They need a better data retention policy (3, Interesting)

vinn01 (178295) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447105)


If they really want to make the RIAA go away, they need a better data retention policy.

A month is way to too to keep IP address (I assume DHCP) records.

At an ISP where I used to work, we kept RADIUS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RADIUS [wikipedia.org] ) logs far too long too. I think it was realized that a data retention policy was needed when the RIAA started sending their lawyer letters (that was back in 2001).

In most cases, the logs are only need for a few hours. In rare cases maybe a day or two. Longer than that, the only reasons are not related to network or system administration. If your security is so poor that you need IP address logs from a month ago to see who was on what server, you have serious security problems.

If I ran an ISP (or a university network), I would retain the logs for one day. And maybe I would not retain full logs at all, for any length of time, if they became a liability.

All Universities Should Stop Keeping Records (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447141)

All Universities should stop keeping records of IP addresses... if the RIAA wants the records, there won't be any!

Creating a Fearful Consumer Class (4, Insightful)

asphaltjesus (978804) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447207)

1. The RIAA is the entertainment conglomerates "bad cop."
2. The point is to make consumers deathly afraid of doing anything with digital media without checking for their approval. This makes DRM look like a great solution if you are a consumer afraid of being sued.

"Stick it to them" and haha posts may make /.'ers feel better, but don't take the entertainment conglomerates head-on. The entertainment conglomerates are quite happy about that by the way because /.'er's are a bunch of copyright criminals in an online echo-chamber with their crazy ideas about "free media."

How about organizing an annual no-drm day? Don't by any DRM'd media on that one day each year. That's right no DVD's, no iTunes.

Oh, wait that means we would have to DO something though. Nevermind.

Re:Creating a Fearful Consumer Class (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447739)

I'm sure there's plenty of people here who don't use iTunes at all, or who don't have DRM-riddled DVD movies. I do my part, I pirate what I don't think is worth $20 (music CDs, $1 per iTunes song...). I guess I do actually buy a lot of my video games, but only the ones that I feel have really earned it (of course, a completely arbitrary judgment on my part, but it's my choice). I also pirate plenty of games that I know I'll only be enjoying for a day before getting tired of them (Oblivion lols).

I agree that the majority of the population probably won't be willing to sacrifice their delicious DRM-media, but to be honest, it's so easy nowadays for even internet-newbies to pirate music and movies that I think the biggest barrier to doing so right now is probably the fact that the mafiaa has resorted to their little scare tactics. P2Ps still work, and are still pretty damn popular.

The Free Ride is Over (4, Interesting)

sehlat (180760) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447329)

The RIAA has, until fairly recently, gotten pretty much a free ride for two reasons:

1. They've been suing "little people" who frequently cannot even afford a lawyer and for whom even ONE loss in court would wipe them out financially.

2. A court system in which computer-clueless judges have taken the RIAA's word that their "evidence" is valid and who have forgotten or overlooked the "innocent until PROVEN guilty" which is the basis of our entire legal system.

Now they're starting to wade in against people and institutions who DO have lawyers and aren't afraid to use them and who CAN carry on the "protracted struggle" the modern over-lawyered legal system demands. In the meantime, judges are getting more educated about what computers can and can't do, and are being reminded of the presumption of innocence.

So instead of "show me the money", of which the RIAA has plenty, they're about to hear "show me the evidence", of which they have little or none.

Game, set, and match!

A Modest Proposal (3, Interesting)

geoff lane (93738) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447347)

Instead of the current icons used for stories about RIAA let's use parody versions of the music company logos. It's only fair that the real villains get the credit they deserve.

well now (1)

spaxxor (1078649) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447385)

It looks like the RIAA will have to think about it next time they sniff the slightest little tidbit of music piracy, I feel compelled to say that their just protecting their investments, but there's a line between protection, and fanaticism.

constantly rotate IP addresses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447411)

Every isp should have this

Fantastic Idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18447429)

This could potentially become more profitable for big colleges than football teams. Plus, they can sell students' web usage info to marketing companies for even more cash.

---
Is your country:
a) Democratic
b) Fascist
c) Plutocratic

Reasons for RIAA not to sue Universities (4, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447481)

1. People know the actual terms of licenses and what Fair Use is.

2. Many many lawyers and soon-to-be lawyers looking forward to massive p0wnage of RIAA that will give them credit and make a name for them in future work in the law are studying at the universities.

3. Many faculty lawyers looking to publish papers to prove how good they are at p0wning RIAA - publish or perish!

4. Lots of grads willing to donate money to their alum funds to help p0wn RIAA.

5. It's just plain FUN!

Ironic (4, Interesting)

ObligatoryUserName (126027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447491)

I worked at UNL for a few years, and this strikes me as ironic.

Until somtime in the first half of the decade, UNL used to give everyone real static IP addresses. This let students easily host their own servers, including one server that, rumor had it, had one of the biggest collections of pirated music on the Internet - the server was pre-Napster and survived and thrived post-Napster. (Rumor said it was run by a woman who just loved music and liked to listen to everything that was uploaded... I'm not sure if she went to class much because they said she was in her 6th year or so when I was there.)

  This was before the RIAA was very active online, and to my understanding was fairly unaware of servers like this. When UNL went to DHCP everywhere, one of the effects was to make it harder to run servers like that. So, it's funny that a move that a few years ago was percieved as hurting music piracy is now seen as enabling it. (The move to DHCP wasn't done for political reasons, but the students didn't see it that way.)

PS. I never visited the server and don't know who ran it, so don't bother subpoenaing me, RIAA. :p

IP Addresses (2, Informative)

daub84 (1044898) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447515)

I don't know about everyone else, but the college I went to only had a few outside IP's. So, at any given time there were 100's of kids sharing outside ip's. How would RIAA expect a school to be able to track down which of those hundred had supposedly shared or downloaded illegal content?

Here in Nebraska (1)

Spleen (9387) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447603)

When we hear this news...the state breaks out into the familiar "Go Big Red" chant that the HuskerNation is famous for.

DRM (1)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | more than 7 years ago | (#18447647)

They should pay me for the time I've had to waste dealing with their DRM schemes, trying to listen to music on my MP3 player.
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