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Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) Beta Released

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the enjoy-your-irritable-deer dept.

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vivaoporto writes "The Beta version of the popular Linux distribution, Ubuntu 7.04, was released today. Codenamed Feisty Fawn, the CD images can be downloaded from the Canonical Servers, and the final version is due to be released next month. Get it while it's hot! Read more about it on the official wiki."

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download speeds... (3, Funny)

crazyjeremy (857410) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463067)

I'm at 130KB/s before this news goes public... I wonder how for it will go down after the story hits the front page...

Re:download speeds... (5, Insightful)

smaddox (928261) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463105)

Well, if you used bittorrent, it would go up =P (after enough ppl had parts downloaded.

Re:download speeds... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463171)

Something else will go up if you're using Ubuntu. A cock will go up your ass as Ubuntu will turn you into a faggot [gaybuntu.com] .

Re:download speeds... (-1, Redundant)

crazyjeremy (857410) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463193)

Well, if you used bittorrent, it would go up =P (after enough ppl had parts downloaded.
I know that. I'm just curious if slashdot will actually slow them down. Funny enough now I'm getting 160KB/s or more.

Re:download speeds... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463475)

How about now? Please keep us up to date. It's riveting.

Re:download speeds... (1)

holomorph (1072062) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464331)

see, now that's what I figured, but I'm still under 50 KB/s on my download, though the upload is hitting 80 or 90. Weird because the torrent of Herd 5 I grabbed yesterday was much faster. (I was about to burn that one to CD when I read the announcement that the new beta was out today :p)

Re:download speeds... (5, Informative)

maswan (106561) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463179)

Perhaps you should try making everybody use mirrors?

Here's the list from the announcement:

    Europe:

        http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Sweden)
        http://es.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Spain)
        http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (The Netherlands)
        http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/linux/ubuntu/7.04 [utwente.nl] (The Netherlands)
        http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Ireland)
        http://it.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Italy)
        http://pl.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Poland)
        http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Germany)
        http://bg.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Bulgaria)

    Australia:

        http://au.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com]

    Africa:

        http://za.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (South Africa)

    Rest of the world:

        http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Great Britain)

Re:download speeds... (0, Redundant)

crazyjeremy (857410) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463391)

Perhaps you should try making everybody use mirrors? Here's the list from the announcement:
Mod up for the helpful guy. Here I am just trying to test a theory and maswan goes and actually gives insightful information.

I am now getting closer to 200Kb/s. Weird.

How does this compare (3, Funny)

Tim_F (12524) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463075)

How does this compare to the amazing OpenSUSE 10.2?

Re:How does this compare (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463199)

Basically it's about 3.18 less.

I'm hoping SuSe gets turned all the way up to 11. That'd rock!

Re:How does this compare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463761)

You can giggle all you want, but OpenSUSE is the ONLY distro that I have ever used that I didn't have to hack at various config files for 2 hours to make dual monitors work. Get back to me when Ubuntu can do dual monitors out of the box.

Re:How does this compare (2, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464415)

You can giggle all you want, but OpenSUSE is the ONLY distro that I have ever used that I didn't have to hack at various config files for 2 hours to make dual monitors work. Get back to me when Ubuntu can do dual monitors out of the box.


Get an nVidia-based card and use the nVidia proprietary drivers. Once you install them, setting up dual monitors is as easy as adding one line to xorg.conf, or turning it on with nvidia-xconfig

Re:How does this compare (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463949)

One big difference is that when you use Ubuntu, you are not supporting Microsoft's effort to undermine Linux. Alas, SuSE users cannot make the same claim.

Damnit... (4, Funny)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463103)

And I still haven't managed to give away all those 6.06 CDs I got from ShipIt!

Re:Damnit... (5, Informative)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463615)

And I still haven't managed to give away all those 6.06 CDs I got from ShipIt!
That's OK because

A) 6.06 is the long term support (LTS) release, meaning that it will be good for a couple years to come

B) After the last upgrade fiasco, the Ubuntu devs are putting special care to make sure the update tool works this time, so people can just install 6.06 and then use the update manager to update to 7.04 if they decide they want it.

C) They won't ship CDs of another release until the next LTS release, so there won't be any 7.04 CDs either.

Re:Damnit... (1)

sveard (1076275) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464425)

There will be cd's for 7.04 just like there are for 6.10 (not the LTS release, that's 6.06), but unlike the LTS release, shipping has to be paid for.

At least, that's how I understood it.

I've been waiting for this one (3, Interesting)

rnmartinez (968929) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463113)

I must admit that Windows Vista almost got me. Its not even the eye candy, its just the thought of looking at something different from XP. I can't wait to go from 6.10 to 7.04, I've really enjoyed ubuntu since I siwtched to it from Debian. I hope that wireless and 3D is a bit easier in this release. I also heard that there is an applet that helps install media codecs, that should really come in handy too (Although I think easybuntu does this too)

Re:I've been waiting for this one (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463801)

It's different that easybuntu or automatix in that it's not a meta package to download the codecs. Instead, it's an interface that any other application can query when they are asked to open/run an unknown mime type. For example, the first time you try to open an MP3, your music player will ask gnome-app-install to download and install the codec required to play MP3 files. Same for WMV, DivX, etc.

I've used it and it works very well, much better than the old "Unknown Mime type" error message that didn't even tell you what codec you needed. Easybuntu and Automatix should not be necessary anymore for proper media playback on Ubuntu.

Oh, and Feisty automatically downloaded and installed the nVidia binary driver for me when I turned on 3D effects, flawless! It even downloaded and installed an updated binary driver when I upgraded my kernel! Feisty has made huge improvements in desktop usablity.

new name, please! (5, Funny)

fakeid (242403) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463167)

It's hard enough for me accept the name "Ubuntu", let alone their release names. I wonder if they could have a contest to actually make the version names somehow worse. I'm sure I would get a lot of street cred with the other IT guys when I tell them I run "Feisty Fawn". I'll have to make sure to wear my neckerchief...

Re:new name, please! (3, Informative)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463287)

When most people refer to an Ubuntu release, they elide the noun. People running 6.10 usually refer to it as simply Edgy, not Edgy Eft. The previous release is commonly called Dapper, not Dapper Drake. So you can just call this one Feisty, or Ubuntu 7.04 if you prefer.

Re:new name, please! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463553)

elide v.t. omit (vowel or syllable) in pronunciation. [L elido elis- crush out]

Fuller definition (notice that the third definition is for use in a grammatical context):

{dag}1. trans. To destroy, annihilate (the force of evidence). Obs. 1593 HOOKER Eccl. Pol. IV. iv, The force and strength of their arguments is elided. 1637 GILLESPIE Eng. Pop. Cerem. III. vii. 117 Which doth elude and elide all that which they alleadge. 1688 Ess. Magistracy in Harl. Misc. I. 9 They transfer a necessity of eliding them by clearer evidences.

b. Law, esp. Sc. To annul, do away with, quash, rebut. [So elidere in Roman Law.] 1597 Acts Jas. VI (1816) 126 They wald haue elidit and stayit the samyn to haue bene put to ony probatioun. 1609 SKENE Reg. Maj. 115 He may..take away, elid, and exclude his [the persewer's] action, clame, and petition. 1754 ERSKINE Princ. Sc. Law (1809) 109 The concurring testimony of the husband and wife..is sufficient to elide this legal presumption. 1828 SCOTT Hrt. Midl. xii, Whilk uncertainty is sufficient to elide the conclusions of the libel. 1880 MUIRHEAD Gaius IV. 124 He may..elide the exception.

2. To strike out, suppress, pass over in silence. 1847 GROTE Greece II. xxx. IV. 153 Many of them made the still greater historical mistake of eliding these last four years altogether. 1851 SIR F. PALGRAVE Norm. & Eng. I. 750 Gibbon and Sismondi have elided these monarchs. 1870 BOWEN Logic (ed. 2) 133 The predesignations of quantity..belonging to the Predicate are usually elided in expression.

3. Gram. To omit (a vowel, or syllable) in pronunciation. Hence e{sm}lided ppl. a. 1796 Brit. Crit. (T.), The consonant belonging to the elided syllable. 1851 SIR F. PALGRAVE Norm. & Eng. I. 47 Some sounds elided, others exaggerated. 1867 A. J. ELLIS E.E. Pronunc. I. iv. 342 It must remain an undecided question whether Chaucer would or would not have elided the vowel.

Perhaps you meant 'omit the noun'?

Re:new name, please! (1, Informative)

solafide (845228) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463687)

'elide' is the first word I've ever seen on /. that I didn't know the definition for.

For reference:

elide

1a. To omit or slur over (a syllable, for example) in pronunciation. b. To strike out (something written).
2a. To eliminate or leave out of consideration. b. To cut short; abridge.

[from the AHD]

Re:new name, please! (1)

Glowing Fish (155236) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463933)

But you can say to all your other smooove Linux dudes, "Hey Dapper Drakes, lets go out and find some Fiesty Fawns!"

Re:new name, please! (2, Interesting)

chebucto (992517) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463373)

How about calling it 'Version 7', and forgoing the use of a code-name for a publicly-developed project? Though, I must say 'Feisty Fawn' is better than some of the other zany names they've used. Hoary Hedgehog and Dapper Drake are especially lame.

Re:new name, please! (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463563)

Because it's not version 7. 7.04 refers the target release date, 2007-04. 7.10 will confuse the hell out of everyone you convince to call it version 7.

Re:new name, please! (4, Interesting)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463413)

It's hard enough for me accept the name "Ubuntu", let alone their release names. I wonder if they could have a contest to actually make the version names somehow worse. I'm sure I would get a lot of street cred with the other IT guys when I tell them I run "Feisty Fawn". I'll have to make sure to wear my neckerchief...

Are you running the "Stoned Beaver" [wikipedia.org] "Out of Detox" or "Feisty Dunnart" kernel?

(in other words, code names suck, but there is no way around them)

Re:new name, please! (1)

wirelessbuzzers (552513) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464051)

(in other words, code names suck, but there is no way around them)

You could code-name things after, like, towns. Or mountains. Or lakes, or rivers, or prophets, or books, or characters in a book, or something.

Re:new name, please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18464067)

those linux code releases are far more entertaining. I'm currently running
"Nocturnal Monster Puppy" - linux 2.6.21-RC4 GIT release

Re:new name, please! (1)

sunwukong (412560) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463809)

I'll have to make sure to wear my neckerchief...

I'd think that your customers might be more concerned about that hippy and the talking dog that follows you around in that weird green van you drive.

Yeah, yeah -- I know you like to call it an "ascot" ...

No thanks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463191)

I'll wait for the stable release - codnamed Nappy Nigger

Re:No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463251)

Ummm.... I think that's a little off-color.

Re:No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463335)

I'll wait for the first patches after stable... Tipsy Tranny.

Re:No thanks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463359)

Most niggardly.

Re:No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463411)

I laughed. Does that make me a racist?

Re:No thanks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18464053)

A good replacement for Diaper Drake (aka Dirty Diaper) for sure. The current one should be called Explosive Excrement, if not just because of the colors -- it's all over the place! And they should name this one Filthy Fart (and just keep the current colors). Next one will definitely be Greasy Grandma, followed by Hairy Homosexual and Icky Incontinent. Ubuntu names so rock!

I use ubuntu ultimate edition (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463243)

I use ubuntu ultimate edition has almost everything i need, beryl and apache2 configured by default, etc.

still a long way to go (4, Interesting)

eobanb (823187) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463323)

still a long way to go in terms of usability. A friend of mine recently installed 6.10 for the first time. He's basically never used Linux before. I briefly explained how to use Synaptic. He got the hang of things for a while, but then he interrupted a dpkg process when Synaptic was running by hitting the power button. I have no idea why he did this, but you probably know what happened...he tried to run Synaptic later on and it said 'you have to run dpkg update -a to fix these errors!' or something along those lines. Big mistake number one: it told the user to type in commands at the shell. Big mistake number two: it didn't tell him to use sudo.

He was immediately stuck. He even figured out how to access the shell, but he didn't understand why it kept saying that he needed superuser privileges to continue. The problem with these kinds of things is that if even one little glitch happens like this, the user gets stuck and then usually gives up and goes back to Windows. It has to be perfect. It has to be flawless. Or else it won't attract brand new users.

Re:still a long way to go (3, Interesting)

LiENUS (207736) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463453)

Windows has those same issues, ever gotten the error message about the registry size being too small? How long do you think it takes a user to figure that one out on their own? Plus Ubuntu has great user support on irc.freenode.net in #ubuntu.

Re:still a long way to go (2, Interesting)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463885)

The difference is that Windows fixed that problem. XP and later have no registry size limit.

And here's a tip that really should be a clue-batting, but I'm feeling nice: telling end users to use IRC for help is the dumbest fucking thing you can do. And for the record--with a few exceptions, the people in #ubuntu are dumb as a box of rocks. Completely useless for almost any questions. (This is not a slight against the half-dozen helpful people on the channel--just the 400+ who suck.)

Re:still a long way to go (1)

manno (848709) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464107)

ever gotten the error message about the registry size being too small
No, I can honestly say in all my time of using windows computers, and working on them(far to many MSPC's to count) I have never seen that message. For the most part Windows isn't that bad, and I find it a lot more polished, and easier to use that Ubuntu that's for sure.

I use Ubuntu, exclusively at home now, I have been for a year. I get caught on snags in it EVERYWHERE. For some reason every so often after logging in it doesn't detect mouse clicks, unless I reboot. Synaptic is buggy I still have "pending updates" that refuse to update, and don't go away after they have failed to install over 10 times now. Programs constantly crash on me, Firefox seemingly does so on an hourly basis. Maybe it's my hardware, I don't know, I'm not going back to Windows, but I think some people look at Linux through rose colored glasses.

$0.02,
-manno

Re:still a long way to go (3, Insightful)

Oriumpor (446718) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463463)

Cause a user never has had a corrupt office install and had to call on their sixpack of beer a fix friend to hack their registry and reinstall office.

Shit happens, but yeah there should be an automated system to solve package issues. The brilliant bit is, you can submit a feature request to the ubuntu team and it might actually get implimented.

Re:still a long way to go (2, Insightful)

Danse (1026) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463777)

Cause a user never has had a corrupt office install and had to call on their sixpack of beer a fix friend to hack their registry and reinstall office.

The thing is, everyone knows someone who's pretty good with Windows and can help them with their problems. Five minutes with Google usually does the trick. How many people know a linux geek to help them with that? Probably not nearly as many. So, linux remains a daunting prospect for people who don't know who they can turn to for help.

Re:still a long way to go (3, Interesting)

stim (732091) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463515)

Its not really a long way to go. Ubuntu has already gotten way more usable and intuitive than Windows is or ever will be (try walking a noob though a registry edit). The thing is there is a double standard when it comes to linux, and that is that it needs to be perfect. Linux is and always be a work in progress, allways changing to incorporate the newest and greatest thing. This will always leave some little quarks in some of the process. It probably should have just put sudo in front in the error message, but do we in IT really have such a strong desire to completely phase ourselves out of end user support? In other words, GET YOUR HANDS OUT MY POCKETS!

Re:still a long way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18464439)

Linux is and always be a work in progress, allways changing to incorporate the newest and greatest thing. This will always leave some little quarks in some of the process.

Yes they make incremental progress, so it is a quantum development model.

I'll be here all week. Make sure you tip the waitress!

Re:still a long way to go (4, Funny)

Knara (9377) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463543)

Er... yeah, cuz Windows *never* gives cryptic error messages.

Re:still a long way to go (5, Insightful)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463597)

It has to be perfect. It has to be flawless.

That better not be true, because it's impossible. But we know that it it isn't true - Mac OS X and Windows Vista are far from flawless, and yet people still manage to muddle their way through using those systems. In fact, lots of people manage to use Ubuntu right now even with a couple of bugs.

The fact that it neither recovers in that situation nor gives the "correct" command to recover is legitimately a serious problem - I hope you filed a bug on it - but it shouldn't seriously prevent anyone from being able to use the system. Pasting any chunk of the error message into google gives the answer, as does asking anyone who knows anything about Ubuntu directly.

Switching to any different operating system will be non-trivial, unless someone else is administering it. There's no way around that, however much people trying to switch to various Linux distros demand that it not be so. Ubuntu is well beyond the point where anyone can easily use it if they are willing to slog through the difficulties of learning the basics of a new system - and no new system can ever be significantly better than that.

Re:still a long way to go (0)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463693)

Sadly, you're right. Seems all the distros can only be maintained and upgraded by command line ... if (1) you know the commands and (2) are comfortable using commands. I include "comfortable" because even if you write down what to do for grandma, if she's scared to do it, she won't. But worse, most of us forget the correct commands or syntax.

I'm surprised no one has created a GUI script runner that can be trusted (or maybe they have and I haven't heard of it). Go to the "New Program" icon, click a few times and you've got a new application installed via shell command in the background (maybe from a static list, maybe linking to one online, maybe some other method). Go to the "Maintenence" icon, click a few times, and you've got things patched or whatever. If you have to type anything more than a password during any part, folks will forget what to do and Grandma ain't gonna do it.

Re:still a long way to go (1)

Medieval_Gnome (250212) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464059)

At the very least the ubuntu people have taken care of the issues you've noted.

In ubuntu, there's an add/remove option in the Applications menu, and it gives a nice user-friendly interface to installing software.

As for updates, it automatically checks every night for them and will display an icon in the status bar and pop up a bubble saying there are updates for your computer.

Re:still a long way to go (1)

infinityxi (266865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464147)

1998 called, they want their console-is-the-only-solution method back. Have you ever USED ubuntu?

Re:still a long way to go (2, Insightful)

shadowrat (1069614) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464285)

Really? what is grandma doing that the default install and automatic updates of Ubuntu are not sufficient for her?

She needs the latest Xorg code? She wants to be on the bleeding edge of compositing managers? She's just dying to try out some new bayesian spam filters in her Postfix install? She hates postfix and called you because she's having a bitch of a time installing Qmail? She can't quite get Wow running under wine?

I have a dapper install at home and aside from xorg.conf or smb.conf, i find the built in GUI tool fine for everything. If your grandma is calling you for scripts to help her access windows shares on other machines, Linux just might be for her. Otherwise, Office, email, web browsing, it's all right there and easily configured through GUI menus

Re:still a long way to go (1)

majortom1981 (949402) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463835)

He is right. Windows most of the time can be just rebooted or nuse a restore point. Linux if there is a rpoblem you have to type in commands. A normal non pwoer user wont know what to do.

Re:still a long way to go (1)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464321)

Windows is built to magically "fix itself" in a couple cases where Ubuntu wouldn't, but I've found that systems that magically fix themselves sometimes also can magically break themselves.

Re:still a long way to go (1)

Chosen Reject (842143) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464275)

I have no idea what the status of that bug is in 7.04, but it seems to me that saying a new version has a long way to go because an old version sucked is just a little bit silly.

Re:still a long way to go (1)

delire (809063) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464291)

That's a fairly obscure situation, and so can hardly be used for generalising the state of Ubuntu's useability overall. Nonetheless, the issue itself is an important one (especially the lacking sudo instruction). Now that you've witnessed it you'd do well to register a bug report.. better still, teach your friend how to do it and why it's important.

Problems like these don't wilt and die on their own. They have to be noticed, you have to point the torch at such things and tell other people to come and have a look. Think of all the annoyances in Windows or OS X that go on unnattended year on year. Linux presents a rare opportunity to actually do something about these things simply by letting the people that really want to hear about it, know about it.

Few people seem to realise that registering bugs is crucial to the development of this operating system. More so, registering bugs isn't about 'giving' your time so much as saving time in future: a rational fullfilment of pure self-interest that happens to benefit many others simultaneously.

Re:still a long way to go (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464361)

Try hard powering off Windows when it's half way through a service pack or security update, see how well Windows deals with it.

Re:still a long way to go (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464411)

While I don't mean to insult, if you've ever done a hard reboot in the middle of a Windows update you'd know that's a good way to end up with a broken or even unbootable system. Granted, it should have been handled much better, but that's hardly the worst example I've heard. The biggest step 1 would be getting hardware where everything works out of the box in the first place, that's always a killer for people trying to install it on random hardware...

Are you Experienced ? (1)

Hesty Heffew (941832) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463329)

I was happy with win98se, even with random BSOD tossed in. WinXP has been o.k. but I'm not ready to hardware up for Vista. I'm already using Firefox, VLC, Torrent, and something besides M$ Paint. Is this Alt OS ready for me ? Can an n00b do Linux ? I have no one to hold my hand.

Re:Are you Experienced ? (2, Informative)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463427)

I don't know about Ubuntu, but I assume the following applies to it as well: with popular distros like Fedora, all you need to is enter the irc chatroom (irc://freenode/fedora) from any machine with internet access (it need not be the one you're installing Linux on) and ask your questions, clearly , but politely, and you're likely to get as much hand holding as is possible (limited to things like time of day since many people sleep)

Re:Are you Experienced ? (1)

holomorph (1072062) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464081)

I suggest you dl and burn yourself a CD, then you can boot off the CD and play with it w/o having to install to your hard drive. If you like it, go ahead and install on another partition and dual boot while you make sure everything works and it's right for you.

Ubuntu still VERY BUGGY!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463367)

Ubuntu is still VERY BUGGY!!! The release notes should say that with this release Ubuntu officially takes the crown away from Mandriva as THE BUGGIEST Linux distro.

Also, the links to the screenshots on their wiki is broken. Need I say more.

Re:Ubuntu still VERY BUGGY!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463605)

It's slowly working it's way up the alphabet to "steaming shit", but hasn't quite got there yet.

Re:Ubuntu still VERY BUGGY!!! (0, Redundant)

JensenDied (1009293) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464397)

This is a BETA release, read the Tags for this page... if you want the stable grab 6.06 LTS release

DD (0, Redundant)

mastershake_phd (1050150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463381)

Maybe they will call the next one Dogged Doe, or Bold Bunny, or Expert Elephant, or Leaping Lemar, or Fire Fox, or....

Re:DD (1)

LiENUS (207736) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463531)

Maybe they will call the next one Dogged Doe, or Bold Bunny, or Expert Elephant, or Leaping Lemar, or Fire Fox, or....

or Flaming Feline!

Re:DD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463879)

my guess is that it will start with a 'G'

Re:DD (2, Funny)

mastershake_phd (1050150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464091)

my guess is that it will start with a 'G'

Gnarly Gnome, Gestating Grinch, Glad Gestapo, Gooey Goonie, Garish German, Garnished Goat, Global Geese....

Newbie Question (2, Interesting)

pinkocommie (696223) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463389)

I'm installing Ubuntu (Kubuntu actually, a KDE fan) for the first time, looking to migrate from SUSE. I got a copy of 6.10 and thought I'd use that and then do an in place upgrade to 7.04 next month (from what I read online it was a matter of issuing a single command). What do you guys recommend? A straight up 7.04 beta or 6.10 followed by the upgrade? I'm somewhat of a newbie with ~nix (but with relatively standard hardware). Thanks

Re:Newbie Question (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463621)

Straight up 7.04. It's pretty doggone stable and upgrades always suck. The upgrade from Edgy to Feisty (6.10 to 7.04) is supposed to be a lot better than from Dapper to Edgy, but I wouldn't take the chance... Just get the newest.

Re:Newbie Question (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463821)

I did an upgrade from edgy to feisty while it was very much still a moving target, days prior to the beta release and there's been packages flapping every which way - and the upgrade STILL appears to have worked with the possible exception of gnome-network-manager. I'm fairly confident that by official release time they will have it pretty well worked out. But the beta is working so well for me right now that I would just go ahead and go to the beta right away.

Re:Newbie Question (1)

Critical Facilities (850111) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463825)

I guess it depends. I've been a Fedora user for a while (still have it on my webserver box), but after hearing all the talk about Ubuntu, I thought I'd give it a shot on my dual boot/main PC. I have to say that I installed Dapper and then did the upgrade to Edgy and it was super easy with no problems. Granted, it took a little while (about an hour and a half), but there were no problems.

Kudos on trying out *nix. I am a novice at it myself but have begun playing around with different distros to learn it. While I have a server that relies on it, I have a couple of partitions on my dual boot machine that I can swap out installs whenever I want. I keep tinkering with them and if I screw something up, who cares?

So, if you're installing it to learn *nix, I'd recommend installing Edgy and then doing the upgrade (either via the command line or with a CD) for the experience. The worst thing that can happen is you have to trash an installation and start over, but you'll have learned something.

Re:Newbie Question (3, Informative)

voislav98 (1004117) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463905)

You should try MEPIS instead of Kubuntu, it's also based on Ubuntu and uses a lot of Ubuntu packages but it's much better (as far as KDE environment goes). It's now in the release candidate stage for 6.5, so the new version should be out any day. It also has Beryl, codecs and video drivers installed by out of the box, no need for Automatix and such.

Re:Newbie Question (1)

Duggeek (1015705) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464357)

Start with Edgy! There's a bunch of post-install updates, but over broadband they should all be handled within an hour. All included programs will work right out of the gate, though Synaptic seems a bit strange to the uninitiated. (I still don't get the "tag" system, but it's not essential to install programs that you know) The "Add/Remove" feature in the KDE menu seems more functional, however it doesn't seem to go very far outside the Canonical Ubuntu release.

Leave the Beta to the Beta-testers, I say. (emphasis on "tester" --if you don't mind risking your data or system integrity, be my guest)

With any luck, they will have a vastly improved upgrade vector for pre-existing installs. That was the unfortunate event from Dapper to Edgy; however the Kubuntu Edgy LiveCD installation works flawlessly.

You'll find much better KDE integration with Kubuntu (vs. SuSE 10.0) ...IMHO, the SuSE environment kept having disassociation issues; the Novell code wasn't aware of what the KDE/Qt/Python code was doing. Software dependencies kept being broken, removing packages was a total crapshoot.

Now in Kubuntu, there's really no problems other than what is already inherent to KDE itself. With KDE getting a face-lift next month, and Feisty ready to push it out the door, it's promising to be an exciting update.

Best of luck!

Beta People (5, Informative)

LiENUS (207736) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463495)

Please, If you are new to linux don't run the beta version, Use 6.10 its much better and more supported. The beta is not intended for mainstream use. In the #ubuntu channel on freenode there have been people coming in asking questions about Feisty Fawn for months. Those people belong in #ubuntu+1. The beta releases are not supported by the mainstream support, don't install this and expect to be fully supported.

Running Herd4 on AMD 64 (1)

cheap.computer (1036494) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463503)

I hope they fixed the 64bit flash issue with firefox and got wine ported to work on 64bit ubuntu. I am still waiting on 64bit version of wine, there are some docs on howto get 32bit wine installed on the Ubuntu forum. I read that there is a 30% performance increase by having a 64only OS, anyone know anything abt this ?

Re:Running Herd4 on AMD 64 (3, Informative)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463783)

I wouldn't run the 64 bit version of any OS unless you really had a reason. Theres no 64 bit flash for any platform, no wine and plenty of other misc problems. Unless you have a good reason (> 4gb ram) then you're only going to run into headaches.

Re:Running Herd4 on AMD 64 (1)

a1ok (250188) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464043)

I am also using the 64 bit version of Ubuntu - for no better reason than having a 64 bit chip in my desktop :) Anyway, last week I updated to Feisty after reading some other article here or on digg, then this week decided to try searching for Wine yet another time. Someone has actually made a .deb package for wine on amd64, including some of the other required stuff like winecfg etc. Unfortunately, I couldn't find it after a bit of searching - I'm at work right now, and can't remember the exact name of the file.

But it does exist, and can be installed by simply double clicking on it after downloading once the dependencies are met. Ubuntu already installs ia32-libs, or else maybe I had installed that earlier and forgot. Anyway, I just had to install libasound32 (iirc) before I could successfully install wine on my system. Checked and it appears to be working fine, Warcraft III started without much issues (earlier I forgot to use -opengl and the dx version gfx appeared to have no anti-aliasing etc.)

As for the speed difference, I don't know much about that - but imho 30% gain is highly doubtful for normal applications, maybe ones that use a lot of cache or 64 bit floating point calculations? Can't really give any useful info on that, sorry. Will try and post a link to the 64 bit Feisty deb after I get home.

Re:Running Herd4 on AMD 64 (1, Informative)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464167)

I read that there is a 30% performance increase by having a 64only OS, anyone know anything about this?

There is a slight performance benifit to running 64 bit, but it's not worth worrying about. It can be as much as 15 - 20% in rigged benchmarks, and even higher in 64-bit specific code (you don't have any), but it's more like 3% for using real-world apps. Compared to the hassle of running non-native code, the minor performance gain is rarely worth it.

I hope they fixed the 64bit flash issue with firefox and got wine ported to work on 64bit ubuntu. I am still waiting on 64bit version of wine, there are some docs on howto get 32bit wine installed on the Ubuntu forum.

If you're going to be messing with Wine, it's definitely not worth screwing around with the 64 bit version of Ubuntu. It's possible to get flash working, but 32 bit windows code really wants to run in 32 bit mode. It really wants to run on Windows, but if you're determined to run it on Linux you're better off keeping your silly tasks to just "I'm running code on the wrong OS" rather than "I'm running code on the wrong OS and the wrong CPU architecture".

Re:Running Herd4 on AMD 64 (1)

holomorph (1072062) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464201)

I got wine working for the 64 bit version, but it was a while ago and I don't quite remember how; think it might have been a package someone built and linked to on the forums. I also remember reading some compile it yourself instructions. Also, for flash, I got the flash 9 beta to work by using nspluginwrapper (should be able to find the howto on ubuntuforums).

Some thoughts on Feisty (5, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463559)

I did a dist-upgrade from edgy to feisty about three days ago. Nothing has gone downhill and things have only gotten better. I have had a few problems, though I write them off as transitional issues. After all, it was pre-beta software.

My biggest problem has been with the nvidia kernel module. For those who don't know, you can make sure this is installed properly by doing:

sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` nvidia-glx

This is all well and good but for some reason the nvidia kernel module was just randomly disappearing! No joke. I ended up using module-assistant (sudo it) to build my own nvidia module, which worked great, and got everything working again.

There is a new restricted module manager which explicitly informs you that you are using restricted modules, which may not be supported. The system may have made it easy for you to install binary drivers, but it makes damned sure that you know you're using them and what the downside is.

The network-manager gains zeroconf support in this release, but there's still no WPA options in the network-manager. I thought that was coming in this release? I have network-manager-gnome installed, but it doesn't look anything like this [chadda.se] . So I don't know WTF is going on. And I'm in the middle of installing a bunch of packages so I can't find out at this moment, either. The default driver may not support WPA, I wouldn't know, but my network-manager applet still is a pale ghost of what I'm seeing in screenshots.

In general, what most beta users of Feisty are going to notice in comparison to Edgy is graphical. Various theme elements have changed slightly. The biggest change, of course, is the official inclusion of binary drivers, which is much easier to get working. You won't need envy to get those nvidia drivers working any more (assuming you were unable or unwilling to do the install manually, envy seems to have been the most common way to install 'em.) Envy, of course, does not support Feisty.

Early adopters will note that EasyUbuntu and Automatix both still lack Feisty support. Way to test and be ahead of the curve, guys. But of course that's not Ubuntu's fault.

This is a lot less painless than my last experience, attempting to upgrade a somewhat tweaked dapper to edgy. This system is no less tweaked, but the dist-upgrade went fine.

Re:Some thoughts on Feisty (3, Interesting)

Rutulian (171771) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463943)

The network-manager gains zeroconf support in this release, but there's still no WPA options in the network-manager. I thought that was coming in this release? I have network-manager-gnome installed, but it doesn't look anything like this.

Hmmm, not sure what you mean by this because zeroconf isn't related to network-manager as far as I know. Anyway, your network-manager applet should look just like your screenshot. Are you sure you are running the applet? Type nm-applet at the terminal. Ubuntu ships another wireless applet with the same icon, but it isn't the network-manager applet. So make sure you are actually running the network-manager applet. And WPA configuration has been there for at least a year, so you should be able to see it unless there are driver issues with your wireless card.

Re:Some thoughts on Feisty (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18464241)

For some reason it wasn't showing up. I executed the following command:

sudo apt-get --reinstall install network-manager network-manager-gnome

Then I rebooted, then it appeared. I'm not sure if just running nm-applet would have been enough, or if I needed to do what I did, but it worked :P

EFI support? (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463573)

Anyone know if this'll use ELILO (in particular so I'm not limited to gentoo as my sole choice for installing on a MacTel without Bootcamp?)

(yeah yeah, technically you can do it on most any dist, but I'm not that interesting in hacking it that much)

Been running it (4, Insightful)

AxXium (964226) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463675)

I've been running it for some time now as I've signed up as a tester some time back. I must say in the past I was a big Ubuntu hater as I am part of another Linux distro's admin staff. However, I gave it a spin and must admit, as far as polish, ease of use, stability and the latest software goes, Ubuntu is by far the ultimate "free as in beer" ditro in my book. My previous biased opinion was quickly shattered. In retrospect I wish I have tried Edgy.

Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18463743)

People still talk about Linux on Slashdot? I thought all the threads on this site were either console fanboy shouting matches or about why they should legalize stealing IP.

mobo RAID support? (3, Interesting)

postmortem (906676) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463807)

Today, more and more people opt in for using home RAID arrays, primarily from free chipset controllers that implement RAID 0,1, (5) capabilities in software. It is free performance upgrade for anybody with more than one hard drive.

For long time, no Linux distro would support this 'winRAID'. Then dmraid project was created at RedHat, and soon after, Fedora Core 5,6, SUSE 10.2, and RHEL 5 have installer support for it.

Last I've heard that future Ubuntu releases will contain support for dmraid... does anybody can verify that is the case, that is Ubuntu 7.04 can be installed on RAID0 device created on onboard RAID controller?

Re:mobo RAID support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18464093)

Yes. Ubuntu has had dmraid for a while, but it was outdated on the livecd- upgrading it through synaptic, then running dmraid from the shell would find my raid. Then I could use the normal install method to partition and go. It was not all smooth, but Ubuntu can definitely be installed on dmraid setups.

Ubuntu is now automatically prelinked (5, Informative)

sygin (659338) | more than 7 years ago | (#18463987)

This Ubuntu release 7.04 boots faster and is snappier than the previous 6.10. It no longer requires prelinking to increase speed.

From the ubuntu forums:

"UPDATE 1/2/07: Prelink is no longer necessary in Feisty. Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which dramatically speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running the prelink program."

Another great improvement is hardware (esp. wireless and graphics) support.

Now thats progress, each release faster and better than the last.

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