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Wii May Be Succeeding in Widening Game Market

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the oldies-but-goodies dept.

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superdan2k writes "When Nintendo brought the Wii to market, one of their stated goals was to get people who didn't normally play video games using their console. Based on an article from the AP, it seems they've made some headway in capturing the senior citizen market. With the Wii's price point, and it being a good way to get people engaged in physical exercise, it's easy to envision it catching on with other retirement homes beyond the one mentioned in the article."

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Indeed (5, Interesting)

26199 (577806) | about 7 years ago | (#18480665)

If you'd told me a year ago that my grandmother would actually try a console game, I'd've looked at you most puzzled.

But Wii tennis seems to have near-universal appeal.

Me too (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18480687)

But that could because my grandmother is dead.

Re:Me too (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | about 7 years ago | (#18484387)

But that could because my grandmother is dead.
That's why you get the WiiStone - a grave stone Wiimote with cellular capabilities to dial in to your home and interact with your Wii. Play with your relatives who are beyond the grave today. WiiStones starting at $100,000USD.

DISCLAIMER: No, WiiStones do not exist. It's a joke if you couldn't catch it.

Re:Indeed (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 7 years ago | (#18480759)

Yeah, but how many 70 year olds do you think are actually saying to themselves "Hey, I should go spend $300 on that Wii thing so I can get into videogaming!". There's a big difference between them playing the games and them actively getting into the Wii of their own accord. And really, as people are aging it's not that remarkable anyway. Someone who is 65 today would have been in their late 20s when videogames started hitting the market.

Re:Indeed (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18480987)

I think you're discounting old people being adventurous and wanting to try new things. people in nursing homes like to learn new card games and new knitting patterns and see new TV shows and movies. The reason they dont play video games is because the PS3 has nothing in common with their current lives.
Lets take tennis as an example. a 70 year old who played tennis in his/her 30's would like to play now but they can't because of bad hips. Playing tennis on the PS3 requires you to press buttons and arrows to move around. Thats not playing tennis, thats playing a tennis video game. The wii lets them go through the same motions of playing tennis while playing against someone else. That is something they can do and feel comfortable trying because the mechanics of playing are very much the same in real life.

I think you're discounting old people playing video games because they dont already. They aren't going to buy the Wii to play a video game, they are going to buy the Wii for something fun and simple to do. its not technology that scares them, its their lack of knowledge about new technologies thats scares them, big difference.

Re:Indeed (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | about 7 years ago | (#18482187)

Indeed. My great-uncle is in his seventies, and is always trying new things.

But then, he goes out for a weekly bike ride, and I can't keep up with him. :-(

Re:Indeed (1)

Dun Malg (230075) | about 7 years ago | (#18481403)

Someone who is 65 today would have been in their late 20s when videogames started hitting the market.
eh.... you're stretching a bit there. Someone 65 now would have been 29 in 1971. The earliest thing that could be called a successful video game is PONG in 1972, but it saw limited circulation for those first 5 years. Video arcade games didn't fully enter the mainstream until about 1978-1980 (Space Invaders, Galaxian, Pac Man).

No, I'd say we have at least a solid decade before those who actually played video games while they were young are officially elderly.

Re:Indeed (1)

Workaphobia (931620) | about 7 years ago | (#18480869)

I showed Wii Tenis to my mom. She seemed interested but quit after a little while because she felt it was tiring. The shock was that now my dad wants to know about Wii Bowling.

Re:Indeed (1)

eggoeater (704775) | about 7 years ago | (#18480885)

I've never owned a gaming console.
I almost bought a wii a few months back but decided not to after I found out it doesn't play DVDs, which is absolutely ridiculous. I'll buy one when ver 2 comes out.

Re:Indeed (4, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | about 7 years ago | (#18480905)

Not to infringe upon your right to choose: but you decided against buying a video game console because it doesn't play movies?

Re:Indeed (1)

FlopEJoe (784551) | about 7 years ago | (#18481791)

If I might give a possible scenario... some people have to travel light and/or small and when the PS2 came out it was the perfect multi-tasker for DVD and games. I know the dvd portable players are small and cheap these days but those wall warts add up.

Re:Indeed (1)

eggoeater (704775) | about 7 years ago | (#18481863)

Not to infringe upon your right to choose: but you decided against buying a video game console because it doesn't play movies?
Yes, that's correct.
Like I said, I've never owned a gaming console, and I'm not currently foaming at the mouth to get one. Also, I already have too much clutter around my TV and don't want to make it worse. On top of that, I only have one S-Video connection to my TV. All that adds up to me not wanting to deal with more junk, more cables, etc etc. I think a state-of-the-art console should play DVDs since all the previous generation consoles had that ability. So, I'm either going to wait until the next version of wii comes out, or maybe when a new 360 comes out with built-in HD-DVD.

Re:Indeed (1, Interesting)

Allison Geode (598914) | about 7 years ago | (#18481929)

if you only have an s-video connection, you don't need HD-DVD. save your money. also, not all last-gen consoles could play dvd: the cube couldn't, and for that to work on xbox, you'd have to buy a seperate kit. the wii itself doesn't go HD, it'd be perfect for you, and its smaller than most home dvd players, too: its about the size of 3 dvd case stacked together. you don't need to use the base and store it vertically if you don't want to: fits great on top of other things. the "but it doesn't play dvd!" excuse is a load of crap, seeing as how you can go to walmart and buy a pint-sized dvd player for less than many special edition dvd releases!

Re:Indeed (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 7 years ago | (#18482257)

also, not all last-gen consoles could play dvd
That's irrelevant, they'd "never owned a gaming console".

the "but it doesn't play dvd!" excuse is a load of crap, seeing as how you can go to walmart and buy a pint-sized dvd player for less than many special edition dvd releases!
Yeah, but it's still another annoying separate little box, and another set of leads. And since he only has one connection, he has to change that manually, or fsck about with a switch box, or.... whatever. You can rationalise away that kind of hassle if you're that much into TV/DVD/games/etc, but if you're not, it's the sort of thing that can quickly make an audiovisual setups more of a PITA then it's worth.

In other words, I totally sympathise with the original poster. For people like us, the convenience of having stuff integrated is relatively important. The fewer boxes/leads the better.

Re:Indeed (1)

Ant P. (974313) | about 7 years ago | (#18482545)

And a cable splitter/switch is what, $5?

Re:Indeed (1)

rollingcalf (605357) | about 7 years ago | (#18482655)

"And a cable splitter/switch is what, $5?"

Doesn't matter if it's free. It's another box to worry about, and another item of clutter, which is too much of a hassle for people who aren't into audio/video.

Re:Indeed (1)

NickCatal (865805) | about 7 years ago | (#18483359)

The XBox 360 will not have an HD-DVD drive in it... not the next version at least... and the next version may be the last version..

Re:Indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18481057)

A decent gfx card with tv out and a dvd rom will make your computer do dvd way better than even expensive dvd players. So dont expect the "wii v2" to be any better.

Re:Indeed (1)

SausageOfDoom (930370) | about 7 years ago | (#18481161)

Just get a standalone DVD player - it'll be better than a console anyway. No waiting for it to turn on, no 'I want to watch a DVD' or 'No, I said pause the damned thing' menus, just put the DVD in and it'll start to play. It's not like they're expensive - you can get them here for under £20, and I remember hearing the same about the US. You can't blame space requirements either - the Wii is about the size of a PC CD drive.

Re:Indeed (1, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | about 7 years ago | (#18481191)

Well, the Wii is basicly a 480p device through and through. *If* they were to do DVDs, people would probably expect an upscaler and a HDMI output, digital audio outs etc. which would add to hardware cost as well as licensing cost. I know I'd expect as much from any DVD player I bought in 2007, so instead of adding a bad bullet point they skipped it altogether. Fair enough if you ask me.

Re:Indeed / ??? $35 extra for a DVD player ??? (1)

neurocutie (677249) | about 7 years ago | (#18481533)

As you can easily buy a usable DVD player (that also does VCD, MP3, JPEGs, CD-Photo, etc), for less than $35, it seems a little silly to not buy a Wii because it doesn't do DVDs.

I think I wouldn't want the Wii to do DVDs anyways, to reduce the wear/tear on the $250 unit, and take advantage of the fact that they're two separate units (e.g. a separate DVD unit is much easier to use with a Slingbox for example).

Re:Indeed (1)

rob1980 (941751) | about 7 years ago | (#18482707)

I almost bought a wii a few months back but decided not to after I found out it doesn't play DVDs, which is absolutely ridiculous.

You didn't have at least three other things in your house that could play DVDs already? Almost hard to pull that off these days.

Re:Indeed (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 years ago | (#18483015)

I almost bought a wii a few months back but decided not to after I found out it doesn't play DVDs, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Prices in U.S. dollars follow:
  • Wii plus budget DVD-Video player: $300
  • Xbox 360: $400
  • PLAYSTATION 3: $600
  • Mac mini: $600
Only one allows video gaming while someone else is watching a Meg Ryan marathon. Can you guess which?

Re:Indeed (1)

renegadesx (977007) | about 7 years ago | (#18484197)

You proberbly already have a DVD player right? If you dont have one, then your an idiot If you do have one, STOP YOUR BITCHING

Re:Indeed (2, Interesting)

Mr_Zed (996049) | about 7 years ago | (#18483981)

I know where you are coming from. There is this old age home in my city that got a Wii for the people and a bunch of old timers love the bowling on the system. The local news did an interview and most of them stated that during their younger lives use to love to go bowling but had to stop because the ball just got too heavy for them. Thanks to the Wii it brings back one thing they loved doing. At the time of the interview they haven't tried the tennis or golf yet but after they hold their first bowling league tornament they said they will try golf next. Also, half of these old timers said it's better than just sitting around doing nothing or just sitting around to watch some lousy show on tv. I am glad to see the old timers playing vid games.

Let me be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18480695)

I for one welcome our senior Wii playing overlords.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

QuantumHobbit (976542) | about 7 years ago | (#18481167)

Kids, you have to defeat the senior citizens. They wake up too early for us grown ups. But you wake up early for cartoons and school. You might stand a chance. I love South Park

What an ambiguous headline. (1)

Wilson_6500 (896824) | about 7 years ago | (#18480751)

That headline could mean either that the Wii is succeeding in a market that is widening independent of the Wii, or that the Wii is having success in trying to widen the market.

"Nintendo's Wii may be succeeding in the widening game market." versus
"Nintendo's Wii may be succeeding in widening the game market."

Re:What an ambiguous headline. (1)

Dun Malg (230075) | about 7 years ago | (#18481965)

Someday they may fire the slashdot janitors, who obviously do the work approving submissions, and hire some real editors.

RockStar, are you listening? (5, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | about 7 years ago | (#18480777)

Hurry up and rush out that Get Off My Lawn! title for the Wii!

Re:RockStar, are you listening? (4, Funny)

Aladrin (926209) | about 7 years ago | (#18481049)

Wow... Just had a flash of a small, homebrew-ish game played from the point of view of a chair on the front porch... You get to throw porch-objects (shoes, newspapers, etc) at kids that are walking down the street having fun. The girlscout trying to sell cookies somehow made the vision almost real.

I have -got- to seriously think about this one.

Animal Crossing (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 7 years ago | (#18483049)

Hurry up and rush out that Get Off My Lawn! title for the Wii!
Animal Crossing Population Growing for GameCube works on Wii, and Nintendo has confirmed Animal Crossing Thwii for a 2007 release.

Re:RockStar, are you listening? (1)

Shaddup (615685) | about 7 years ago | (#18483445)

Though the magic of motion sensing Wiimote technology, you can shake your fist at Those Punk Kids by shaking your fist at Those Punk Kids! It's so realistic!

Re:RockStar, are you listening? (2, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | about 7 years ago | (#18483475)

And for the elderly men, there can be the game where you have to try to fight off erectile dysfunction by keeping your "wii" up on the screen with your wii-mote.

I'm still waiting for the videogame where you use the wii-mote to massage a prostate or perform an abortion. And grandma can play the "Wii Knitting" game where she crochets grandpa a cock-warmer with the wii-mote.

Re:RockStar, are you listening? (1)

renegadesx (977007) | about 7 years ago | (#18484219)

Leave that one for Ubisoft. Rockstar should do the sequal to Cooking Mama "Pill Poppin Pop"

I'm not surprised. (1)

X-treme-LLama (178013) | about 7 years ago | (#18480797)

I think by now most of us have realized that the wii isn't a PS3/360 type 'gamers' game console. It doesn't push massive graphics and processing capability over good ole' fun. That isn't to say (lest I anger the fan-boys) that it can't have great 'gamers' games, only that it was designed, priced, and marketed beyond that. The wii is more about having fun than the latest and greatest, and is more appealing to people who aren't traditionally console buyers. Nintendo is trying to increase market share by courting buyers who might not normally be interested, and I don't doubt for a second that it will (at least to some degree) work.

Case in point, my 50 something year-old mother asked me about it just last night (as I was working on her computer). She hasn't played a console since the original NES, which she bought for me when I was 6. She said she thought it looked "fun."

It's a heck of a strategy. Consoles have traditionally been the market of kids/teens, and guys who aren't willing to grow up yet (ok, some girls too) and yes I've been one of them. Nintendo went for the "Console the whole family can play, and even grandma might love" market and it's no big surprise it's paying off.

Re:I'm not surprised. (1)

maxume (22995) | about 7 years ago | (#18481435)

"The wii is more about having fun than...It's a heck of a strategy"

I would call it obvious. Hey dude, why do you play video games? Huh? Oh, it costs a lot of money and most of the games are shiny repetitions of ones that I played before, but longer and more tedious. Dude, neat.

and that (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 7 years ago | (#18480799)

And THAT is why I bought nintendo stock. Up 7% since December.

Re:and that (1)

Zarxrax (652423) | about 7 years ago | (#18480917)

Looks like you came in a little late man, its up like 200% since this time last year.

Re:and that (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 7 years ago | (#18480967)

You can only buy when you have money. I don't mind if other people made more money than me, as long as I got mine. And the stock is only going up from now.

Re:and that (1)

Faylone (880739) | about 7 years ago | (#18481219)

I hate to break it to you, but if you belive the stock will ONLY go up from now, forever, you may be in for a nasty supprise.

Re:and that (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 7 years ago | (#18481299)

How on earth did you take that meaning from what I said? The stock fluctuates on a minutely basis, some times it goes up, some times it goes down. Did you really believe that I didn't know this? Is there anyone who has watched the stock market for more than a day who doesn't know this? What did I say that caused you to consider me such a fool?

Furthermore, if you actually read the thread, it was within the context of the next year, I wasn't saying it will go up forever. If anything you are just posting reflexively the first thing that comes to your mind, without considering the meaning of the person talking. Learn decent conversation skills before trying to give obvious advice.

Re:and that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18481747)

> The stock fluctuates on a minutely basis

Only day traders care about anything but the daily close. In fact, most people who do their own stocks should only be thinking quarterly.

Nintendo's got great fundamentals too, but I think anyone who's emotionally invested in some particular company's console really shouldn't be managing investments with that in mind.

Re:and that (1)

skubeedooo (826094) | about 7 years ago | (#18482439)

The point is that stocks go up and down on all time-scales, not just minute-to-minute and day-to-day. If they were 'known' to be going up, or even if it was known that there was going to be an increase in mean, then people would buy them immediately to profit on the change. But that would cause them to go up instantly, rather than at some future time. What this means is that the current stock price is always the statistical conditional expectation of future prices, conditioned on the current information available to the market. (Actually, the future price discounted w.r.t. interest rates, and you may also have to take into account the market price of risk.) The only way you can reasonably expect your stocks to do better than the market is by knowing more than the market - in this case their conditional expectations of the future will disagree with, and be less accurate than, yours.

So the rhetorical question is: do you know more about the demand for Nintendo products than the rest of the market?

Re:and that (1)

Dun Malg (230075) | about 7 years ago | (#18482547)

The GP poster is a classic example of how people aren't actually listening when the other person is talking, they are merely waiting for them to stop so they can talk some more. Strangely, this somehow seems to carry over to text message boards, where by all rights it shouldn't.

Re:and that (1)

heinousjay (683506) | about 7 years ago | (#18484085)

Maybe you should stop by First Methodist and see the guys with testicular cancer. I hear it's different there.

Not just seniors... (4, Interesting)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | about 7 years ago | (#18480827)

Lest we forget, the Wii has also captured the elusive 22-month-old demographic, as evidenced by this video. [gamedrift.com]

If that's not widening the demographic, I don't know what would be.

Re:Not just seniors... (1)

Runefox (905204) | about 7 years ago | (#18481031)

Oh, come on, now. Humans are such a narrow market. Cats [wiikitty.com] are where it's at, and Nintendo has them in their back pocket.

Re:Not just seniors... (1)

Chinju (662523) | about 7 years ago | (#18482233)

I am a callous and bitter man, the kind of man who hates springtime and kittens, but that link has melted my icy heart. That is some dangerously cute stuff. It could put a smile on even Jack Thompson's face.

One good thing... (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | about 7 years ago | (#18480913)

One good thing about seniors playing w/ the Wii...

They usually aren't strong enough to pitch the remote hard enough to break the TV.

[runs away]

Generational Business Model (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18480935)

Is largely a failure, most people are content without higher-resolutions or more detailed textures or better anti-aliasing. Unless you're obsessive compulsive, that is, like many so called "nerds" or "hackers" are.

It's largely a goof up that's a product of the competition oriented corporate market for games and the result of the boom in stock-investment as a result of the internet, peculiarly the world-wide web, in the '90s. Is it really such a bad thing not to sell out and work at something because you love doing it and you seek making a good rewarding, entertaining and enticing final product?

Avoiding graphical pissing contests between developers/publishers is also a good thing to do. Anyways, the video game market is too large, in fact, the TV market is too large and bloated as well. Of course, what people fail to realize is that the televisation and greed of America is the cancer that is killing Western Civilization. I don't play video games or watch TV to escape reality, I play them for entertainment and drama and adventure that else wise I wouldn't be able to recieve in a, what used to be, standard ordinary life.

Of course, who gives a shit, I'd rather have Mahmoud Ahminejad or a Communist Party or Vladimir Putin be my elected leader, right? Right????

Yeah, shut up and enjoy your luxuries while you have them. Fuggen bloated dot-commers need to get grasp on reality.

Do it for the kids (3, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 7 years ago | (#18481015)

I'm normally reluctant to bring a new tech into my house that will make the kids sit around turning into lumps. But with the Wii's apparent success in inducing physical activity and playing games *together*, it offers something that just doesn't seem to happen with the PS/3 or 360.

So I find it interesting that the Wii cracked its way into *my* home: the home of a gamer who didn't want his kids (previously) to have a console. Now if I could only find one in stores...

Too widened to find in stores (4, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 7 years ago | (#18481027)

OK, so I'm a member of the widened market. Unfortunately this widened market seems to be soaking up all the Wii's as soon as they hit retailers' shelves.

Does anyone know when the northeast U.S. is supposed to have a supply to meet demand?

(I know you can get them at Ebay etc., but they're pretty over-priced. And walmart.com sells the bundles, but I don't want to drop $650 initially.)

Re:Too widened to find in stores (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 7 years ago | (#18481059)

Don't blame Nintendo because you can't even out maneuver an elderly woman on the rush to the Wii aisle at Best Buy! :P

Re:Too widened to find in stores (1)

AmazingRuss (555076) | about 7 years ago | (#18482041)

I beat her to it, but she hid at the end of the aisle and tripped me. Then her husband beat me with his cane while she went through the checkout.

Re:Too widened to find in stores (2, Interesting)

MtViewGuy (197597) | about 7 years ago | (#18484381)

I think Nintendo should publicly admit that Wii demand has far exceeded supply, and should seriously consider opening at least two more production lines--with one dedicated to the USA market ONLY.

The DS started it (2, Interesting)

QuantumHobbit (976542) | about 7 years ago | (#18481137)

People seem to forget that the DS started widening the game market with titles like Brain Age and Nintendogs. The Wii is just an extension of that.

No Doubt About It (4, Interesting)

Colourspace (563895) | about 7 years ago | (#18481193)

My wife, who has never played games in her life is now regularly beating my ass at wii sports. Tennis and Bowling. Shes scored 273 best score on bowling on wii, I've only managed 144 and I've been playing games for 25 years. Go, as they say, figure.

Re:No Doubt About It (1)

INeededALogin (771371) | about 7 years ago | (#18481487)

144... dude... you suck at wii bowling.

Your wife would still kick my ass though.

Re:No Doubt About It (1)

Boogaroo (604901) | about 7 years ago | (#18481555)

No joke. She'd kick the ass of everyone I know.
My top is 221 here, and average only about 160-180. Just barely enough to keep that pro rating. :P

Basically this is correct. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18481261)

My father bought the latest EA golf game for the Wii.

I had no idea that any amount of marketing or innovation, ever, would entice him to even consider purchasing any video game, ever.

He likes it. A lot.

Hell, he even plays it with friends. It's amazing.

Stop Saying That (0, Troll)

ClamIAm (926466) | about 7 years ago | (#18481385)

price point

Why do people insist on using this godawful term? The word "price" by itself conveys the exact same meaning, and it does so with less words and the bonus of not sounding like a marketing schmuck. Give it a try, smitty.

Re:Stop Saying That (1)

nuzak (959558) | about 7 years ago | (#18481769)

Price point means something when you're looking at a supply and demand graph (price points are "ideal" prices that actual prices hover around), but yeah it's a really stupid term outside of that.

There's a point to "price point" (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 years ago | (#18483271)

Why do people insist on using this godawful term [price point]? The word "price" by itself conveys the exact same meaning
No it doesn't. "Price point", as explained in the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org], refers to a cusp on the demand curve. The article explains the origins of these cusps.

There is a distinction (1)

VicVegas (990077) | about 7 years ago | (#18484211)

One could say "That is a good price" and mean that the item is being sold at a "bargain" rate. There is a distinction between talking about one item being sold at an affordable price versus selling hundreds of thousands/millions of that item. Thus the phrase "price point" is used.

Talking about "price" can involve buying, while the phrase "price point" lends itself to the topic of selling. Is this too subtle a distinction for you?


Exercise? c'mon (1)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 7 years ago | (#18481457)

So my buddy picked one up a few weeks ago, and we started playing Wii tennis. It's a fun game and we'll play for an hour or two at a stretch. However, we've figured out that you can pretty much 'flick your wrist' instead of moving your entire arm to swing the racket, and be just as successful in the game. In fact, if one of us tries to play as if they were actually playing tennis, 99% of the time they lose.

I'm not saying that you *couldn't* play this game and get some exercise, I'm just saying if you think that 100% of the people that play this will play in the manner that is considered 'exercise' then you are mistaken.

Plus, we've never had an accident whereby the controller flew out of our hands, knocked over a vase, started a fire, killed the dog, broke the TV.. ala http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/ [wiihaveaproblem.com]

Re:Exercise? c'mon (1)

timster (32400) | about 7 years ago | (#18481609)

I don't understand this mentality. If I didn't want to play the game, why would I be playing?

Re:Exercise? c'mon (1)

snuf23 (182335) | about 7 years ago | (#18482911)

I personally have never unleashed death with my wii remote but in the first couple of weeks i experienced:

My son sending a wii remote whipping directly in front of my head.
A 3 year take a whack from a bowler.
A dog take a whack from a bowler.
Several beers knocked off tables.
One remote slammed into a wall via a tennis backhand.

So I personally advocate kinder, gentler wii-motions while playing.

Widening the gaming marked, but at a price... (0)

grumbel (592662) | about 7 years ago | (#18481549)

Nintendo certainly widened the gaming market, but that gain came at a high price, namely they have alienated many gamers and long term fans, me included. Before the Wii got released I hoped that it would bring back the glory days of the SNES, good hardware, at a good price with tons of games. Well, what we good was very outdated hardware with a new controller at a rather high price, sorry, but 250EUR for something which I payed only 200EUR for five years ago just doesn't look pretty, that it now feature 1.5 or 2.0 times the power of the Gamecube doesn't change that fact. Third parties seem yet again have little to no interest in the Wii. Sure, Ubisoft and EA are squeezing money out of it with for most part cheap ports, but the real AAA titles happen elsewhere, I have yet to see a single big third party Wii title to be announced. Even so many AAA titles now happen to be cross platform, the Wii is, yet again, the console that doesn't get the ports, since it just a console of a different generation (no UnrealEngine3 titels on the Wii and such).

Nintendo is certainly making money with the Wii and will continue for a while, but at the moment I am really not so sure of the long term causes. In terms of third party support the Wii already looks just as bad as the N64 or Gamecube, probably even worse. In terms of 'normal' games, i.e. the games that are not BrainAge, Nintendogs, Wii Sports and stuff like that, it also looks pretty bad on the Wii. Online support is also yet again a thing that Nintendo rather ignores, I don't mind all that rather useless Vote channel and stuff, but multiplayer network gaming, not on the Wii and not for a while, and with friends code it won't really be much fun anyway.

The Wii was the first Nintendo console that I didn't bought on launch day in over a decade, in fact I still haven't bought it and have some doubt if I ever will. Nintendo found a nice new niche to make money, good for them, but I do actually care about games and that bunch of Minigames on the Wii just can't get me excited.

Re:Widening the gaming marked, but at a price... (0, Troll)

eboot (697478) | about 7 years ago | (#18481925)

You're not really in there market anymore. Tough titties. Stop whining so much, way to be part of the over vocal gaming community.

Re:Widening the gaming marked, but at a price... (1, Troll)

ThePhilips (752041) | about 7 years ago | (#18482211)

Nintendo certainly widened the gaming market, but that gain came at a high price, namely they have alienated many gamers and long term fans, me included.

Good. Very good. Because old-timers "must die". That's my official point.

Probably with hard core gamers going elsewhere we would get more decent enjoyable titles. I mean "enjoyable" - not some "old timer brain f*ck" a-la Mario.

I hope some advancements of PC gaming then have chance of reaching consoles too: decent save/load functionality (which is in PC games about forever, but barely available in console games), adjustable difficulty level (so that places one doesn't like can do on easy setting and other on normal/hard/etc), cheat codes (so that one can hop thru game quickly to see all of its beauty).

To me most console games are primitive and unenjoyable. You hit wall in the straight story line and no way you can get around it. My friend once lent me his PS2 with couple of selected games - and it was like it: stupid unintuitive controls (called "traditional"), some crap a-la "boss monsters" (it's when you die for no apparent reason, or opponent doesn't die no matter what you do) and shit load of "combos" (when you twist fingers and brains (yeah, I have them) to memorize long boring sequence of key presses to pass particular place). Crap, not enjoyment.

"Zelda TP" made a crack in console games cliche, but judging from reaction on Net it is more of exception and it is expected soon to be fixed by Nintendo back into the unpalatable crap for old timers - just as it was before.

Nintendo is certainly making money with the Wii and will continue for a while, but at the moment I am really not so sure of the long term causes.

I glad you read Nintendo's message correctly: "We do not need you." Go away. Buy Xbox/PS3. Wii is made for people who want to enjoy games in their spare time and do not have time for all the old crap of old style console shit games.

To me WiiPlay/WiiSports best what happened in games in last decade. Regardless what other are saying.

Re:Widening the gaming marked, but at a price... (1)

rollingcalf (605357) | about 7 years ago | (#18482685)

I think they realized they weren't going to last long by competing in the same market segment with the Xbox 360 and PS3, so they targeted a different market segment.

The horror. (1)

Jartan (219704) | about 7 years ago | (#18481719)

Kudos to nintendo and all but I live in fear of the day when gaming becomes widespread. Just thinking about how very very few even remotely interesting things get released for TV fills me with horror of what could happen to gaming.

Re:The horror. (1)

eboot (697478) | about 7 years ago | (#18481945)

But of course you could say this has already happened. Gaming is quite stagnant, nothing new has happened for a while. Just better FPS with better graphics. And of course there is always the EA machine turning out derivatives like they were going out of style.

Top rated games (2, Informative)

Mr_Silver (213637) | about 7 years ago | (#18481789)

Interesting to note that after only a couple of months release the PS3 has 19 games [metacritic.com] with a metacritic rating of 75 or above yet the Wii has only 9 games [metacritic.com].

(The Xbox 360 has 79 games [metacritic.com], but then it has been out for over a year, so not a fair comparison).

I'm sure there are plenty of reasons, especially revolving around the new controller and how to make best use of it - and to be fair, I'm not qualified in any way to comment - but the statistics do show that for whatever reasons the current portfolio of Wii games rated "excellent" is smaller than that of a system which has been out for a much shorter time.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw this into the pot for some discussion.

Re:Top rated games (1)

eboot (697478) | about 7 years ago | (#18481981)

Ummmm try very slightly longer than the Wii. At least in the markets that matter to developers.

Re:Top rated games (1)

timster (32400) | about 7 years ago | (#18482411)

If anyone could say with a straight face that game criticism in general had risen above the level of trash, metacritic ratings might be a little more interesting.

Re:Top rated games (4, Insightful)

Alzheimers (467217) | about 7 years ago | (#18483099)

Common Wii review:
Pros: Fun for all ages, lots of replayability
Cons: Control scheme takes some getting used to, outdated graphics, no blood

Common PS3 review:
Pros: Amazing Photorealism, Super Ultra Deadly Combat 9 almost as good as Super Ultra Deadly Combat 7 (Super Gore Edition)
Cons: Didn't we play this last year? (And every year for the past 8 years?)

Re:Top rated games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18484019)

Actually, it's mostly due to the horrible children licenses on the Wii. Thankfully the Wii will soak up most of the trash titles like those due to the price points alone. Then again if you're some kind of zombie that loves spongebob's bad PS2 port you'll love the Wii for sure. It is either mini-games, micro-games, or children's movies and cartoons for the bulk of the content so far. Hopefully it'll keep tweens off the other games on consoles/PC with VoIP for the rest of us. ^_^

My wife wnts one... (1)

puppetman (131489) | about 7 years ago | (#18482223)

And she hates computer/console games (with one notable exception - she played Grim Fandango for a couple of hours). She asked me today when I was going to grab one. She thought I we should get one for her parents.

The console yes (1)

shoemilk (1008173) | about 7 years ago | (#18482471)

But it already comes with Wii Sports, how many of thos "old-timers" are just going to by the system and then never ever buy another game for it?

You can keep your grandmother (3, Funny)

Forrest Kyle (955623) | about 7 years ago | (#18483021)

I get tired of hearing about how I should buy a wii because of how much someone's grandmother likes it. Should I start watching Matlock too?

Wii isn't widening it (1)

billcopc (196330) | about 7 years ago | (#18483611)

Nintendo isn't widening the gaming market, at least not at this point in time. They are only expanding the Wii's market, because those new gamers still want nothing to do with the PS3 and 360. It's in a niche of its own right now, and will probably enjoy its unique position for years to come, until Sony and Microsoft release their next generation of consoles with ripped-off ideas that still aren't quite as good as the original. The fact that non-gamers are interested in the primal fun of throwing motion sensors around does nothing for the game industry, it's just locking them into Nintendo. It's going to be interesting when Wii gets old and something new comes around. Will they continue supporting more immersive gameplay, or will they turn the page and go back to sit-down thumb-mashing gameplay ? That would effectively lose the fringe gamers, sending back to the boring TV realm they came from.

Wii Workout? (1)

technopinion (469686) | about 7 years ago | (#18483683)

Sounds like a game title waiting to happen. Could contain all sorts of activities and games that promote specific movements/exercises.
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