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Will The iPhone Kill The iPod?

Hemos posted more than 7 years ago | from the most-likely-yes dept.

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Edward Sinovian writes "According to, the days of MP3 players, digital cameras and satellite navigation systems are numbered with cell phones about to take center stage. "PDAs have already been crushed by smart phones and the same thing looks to be happening with standalone MP3 players, particularly the smaller flash ones — a theory supported by Apple's recent entry into the world of music phones. If you then take into consideration the convergence of camera, GPS, TV and laptop-like functionality into mobile phones, it raises the question of how long it's going to take before all you need is a mobile phone." With that in mind, do you think that the iPhone will kill the iPod?"

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Yes (4, Insightful)

AsmCoder8088 (745645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488765)

Especially since the iPhone *is* essentially the new iPod.

Re:Yes (1)

Eddi3 (1046882) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488785)

Except for the fact that the iPhone costs a *lot* more. In technical terms, of course.

Re:Yes (2, Informative)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489235)


Example - I have a little tiny shuffle (2nd gen). I use it extensively at the gym, in the car, and when I'm running or cycling (one ear only, of course).
I have an iPaq, and a cell phone which I carry almost everywhere.

The iPhone (which I'm almost certainly buying) will completely replace both the iPaq and the cell phone. However, I still won't carry it anywhere it might get lost/damaged. The shuffle will continue to be used for those situations, just like it is now.

No (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488871)

It may kill the high-end Video iPod sales, but until final specs are out, it's premature to say even that. Will it cannibalize some sales? Sure. But would you rather cannibalize your sales, or have someone else steal them?

I know which way I'd want that cash to flow....

Re:No (4, Informative)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489067)

It may kill the high-end Video iPod sales,

Uh, the high end Video iPods have an 80GB capacity (as of today), whereas the iPhone goes up to 8GB. The iPhone will eventually replace the high-end Video iPod, but not until flash memory gets cheaper and increases to that sort of capacity. That won't happen any time soon (where "soon" is defined to be in technology terms).

Re:Yes (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488967)

And it is better for Apple to strike before another company does it for them (I know there are phones that play music but none of them got it correct enough to hit critical mass).

Space (4, Interesting)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489051)

For me it depends on when they have one out with a decent amount of space. Right now, I consider my 30Gb player much too small.

As for phones, I use a Treo, and appreciate the third party development efforts. Opening up the iPhone for 3rd part dev would go a long way in my books ...

Re:Yes (4, Insightful)

BBandCMKRNL (1061768) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489059)

My MP3 player fits in the palm of my hand or in my pocket and has a 15 hour playing time. My cell phone has a 2 hour talk time and several day stand-by time, which in my case translates to about 2 days between charging. Why would I risk missing/losing an important phone call to listen to music?

Let's also not forget that all battery powered devices have a limited number of recharge cycles. Why would I want to shorten the usefull life of my cell phone battery to listen to music?

Re:Yes (4, Insightful)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489079)

besides the fact that it holds less and costs more (compared to the ipod that is)?

It's a different target audience. I wouldn't necessarily say it will cannibalize sales, it will fragment the demographic and at the same time provide apple with more fine grained detail about the statistical purchasing power their consumers have. Maybe some will buy just the iphone. Maybe others will just get the ipod. Maybe a few will get both. Maybe the price will deter sales. These factors will provide apple with a basic divining rod to find out where to take their future products next.

Exactly right. (1)

LordSchnitzel (677741) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489303)

this is exactly what happened with the iPod Photo. The iPod was always about convincing people to adopt new technology earlier and at more of a price premium than they otherwise would by dressing it up in snazzy designs and interfaces. Now the vanilla iPod has become commodity it's fallen out of line with Apples core competancy - selling this sort of high-tech stuff

Reminds me of a song (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18488773)

iPhone kills the DRM music player.

Price (3, Insightful)

bytor4232 (304582) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488779)

Not as long as smart phones are as expensive as they are now. I can't justify spending 500 bucks on a phone, even thou it can be the only device I carry.

Plus, a button less phone seems counter-intuitive to me.

Re:Price (5, Funny)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488829)

Don't worry. They will eventually ship the iPhone Shuffle for cheapos like you.

Re:Price (5, Funny)

gnomeza (649598) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488897)

Just one button.
It dials a random number from your phonebook.

Re:Price (2, Insightful)

durdur (252098) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488869)

Right. Cost is an issue. Plus if I am going to shell out that amount of $$, I don't want to carry the device around everywhere. I prefer to carry a cheap phone that I can drop or lose and not worry much about. The cheap phone goes with me, the expensive iPod stays in a bag when I'm not using it. If the iPod/iPhone was a sub-$100 item, though, I might tote it around.

Re:Price (4, Funny)

alcmaeon (684971) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488973)

Plus, a button less phone seems counter-intuitive to me.

Back in the day, no phones had buttons. They had this perforated wheel thing called a dial. In fact, when we push the buttons on a phone today, we still say we are "dialing" the number. There was even a time before there were dials.

Re:Price (1)

Ahlee (160047) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489099)

It costs the same as any smart phone.

Try buying a CrackBerry or Treo without subscribing to a plan.

Cheap ass.

Re:Price (1)

link_mmc (880707) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489107)

Exactly. Apple knows that as long as it's around $500, it won't kill the iPod, which is why Apple's not letting Cingular give massive rebates/discounts like they do for most phones.

Re:Price (1)

Philomathie (937829) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489205)

While I don't believe that iPhones themselves are MP3 player killers, I definitely think the day of all these devices are numbered. It seems logical that a convergence device will eventually emerge which can perform the functions of a phone, mp3 player, PDA, WiFi internet device and goodness knows what (GPS maybe?) The length of time is something I wouldn't bet on, whether its measured in years or decades.

Re:Price (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489281)

well, i have recently bought a htc universal for 380 euros (used). it is about $500, quite a lot of money for a phone, but it was worth it.
won't ever buy an iphone, though - why should i pay such an amount of money for a crippled device?

Re:Price (1)

gsn (989808) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489307)

When price is a concern look to knockoffs []

I'm with you on the buttons and I like phones that have replaceable batteries. These uber converged devices also come with another worry - theft or damage of a single device will mean losing a lot more of your data. A lot of my friends have ended up with busted iPods and had to restore their music from their HDD - however if your iPod is also your camera and you have a bunch of photos that aren't backed up yet then those are just gone. Companies are really going to have to work on improving failure rates before these can replace multiple devices.

It's their product! (1)

cyberbob2351 (1075435) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488781)

What can apple possibly do to compete?

Re:It's their product! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18489157)

Take the phone part out leave the rest of the form-factor include hard drive (or keep flash).

Now what do you have?!

A killer video iPod. It is the proverbial elephant in the room. Apple can propel the iPod without the stickiness of wireless providers. They hold their own answer.

maybe, but... (1)

mycroft822 (822167) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488791)

I doubt it at $500 each. It will be a while before they come down in price far enough to replace mp3 players.

Ummm, no (2, Insightful)

CF4L (1072112) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488803)

Hmm, let me think, I want an MP3 player Option 1: Buy the iPhone for 600 dollars or whatever it costs Option 2: Buy an ipod for a lot cheaper You're right, I would go with Option 1 - so long iPods!

Not *all* iPods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18488815)

I doubt they can make a cell phone as small as the iPod Shuffle 2nd generation.

Why would it? (5, Insightful)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488819)

It costs significantly more money, has significantly less storage space, and inherits the messiness and unpleasantness of cellphone contracts. This doesn't appeal to people who just want to play their mp3s.

Re:Why would it? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489077)

Not only that but I don't carry my Ipod with me everyday I do carry my phone.
If they can make a phone that is as small as my current phone but will play music for hours, has Gigs of storage, and still will give me 3 hours of talk time I am all for it.

4 ipods / 1 blackberry (3, Interesting)

DrRobert (179090) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488821)

I have four ipods (80g) I want most of my music library nearby. I think my blackberry is the perfect phone. Unless those two can converge into something will all the same capabilities at the same size, I only see a converged product as a loss. Besides I want an ipod with me all the time, I don't like being attached to the blackberry all the time.

Re:4 ipods / 1 blackberry (1)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489011)

No everyone is as rich as you.

In fact this is why the iPhone won't kill off MP3 players, price. It is a lot fucking cheaper to just get a cheap phone that can make phone calls and SMS, and a cheap music player that might not hold 80GB of music (after all, who can seriously listen to that much music?).

In fact, not everyone wants to have a crappy all in one device, which is another reason why the iPhone won't kill off good music players. I'd like a *good* all in one device, but I'm poor and have yet to even see one (no matter how expensive).

Re:4 ipods / 1 blackberry (4, Funny)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489065)

Besides I want an ipod with me all the time, I don't like being attached to the blackberry all the time.

Just be careful next time you walk through airport security with four ipods strapped to your belt, ok?

Re:4 ipods / 1 blackberry (1)

DrRobert (179090) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489193)

The customs guys do frequently think I'm trying to bring in pods for the black market. I just have to explain. One is for jazz, one is for metal, one is for other, and one is for video and audio books.... THe scary thing is that the TSA guys never ask about all the gear in my carryons.

convenience (4, Interesting)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488825)

My big bugaboo with portable devices is keeping them recharged; it's annoying to have to plug in one device every night, much less multiple ones. Having a single unit that does everything I want it to would be a lot more convenient. This would be true even if "plugging it in" involved laying it on a mat.

Re:convenience (4, Insightful)

arminw (717974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489119)

......Having a single unit that does everything I want it to would be a lot more convenient.......

But when the battery on your iPod dies, your entertainment ceases for a while. However, when your phone battery goes dead, it can be a matter of life and death. My iPod either sits by my bed to provide music to fall asleep by or in a dock in the car. Battery life is therefore not all that critical. The phone is always in my pocket and when its battery fails, it is a much bigger problem. A swiss army knife is useful, but a dedicated tool for its various functions is usually much better. If the entertainment use impacts the working of the phone, then having two distinct devices is much better.

No (3, Insightful)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488841)

No, of course not. Did the MacBook Pro kill the MacBook? Did the PowerMac kill off the iMac? WIll a $500 iPhone kill the $99 iPod shuffle? No, but it may eat into the sales of the lower-end model.

Sheesh, this is a no-brainer.

Re:No (2, Informative)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489057)

I doubt Apple will complain if you purchase a new $500 phone instead of a lower margin shuffle. First, because the phone is newer, Apple needs to amortize the development cost over a large number of models. Also, the iPhone is just naturally more profitable due to it's higher price, despite it's much higher development and manufacturing cost.

Really, I doubt Apple cares so long as you buy Apple. I also think the story is bunk. There's a lot of downsides to integrating your MP3 player and cell phone. Just to name a few issues, I see:

1) Battery life. Most MP3 playing phones to date have shown an inherent battery life issue when playing music. While not a great example(but valid none the less), my Treo 650P can play Realmedia and MP3's but gets poor battery life when playing either.

2) Size, weight and ease of use. Cell phones, particularly new smart phones are larger than the typical MP3 player or normal cell phones. Nobody wants a giant Treo, Blackberry or iPhone strapped to their arm when they're at the gym or running.

3) Many people listen to music to silence other distractions while doing homework, work work, or play time. The very idea of having your phone in front of you while listening to music is an oxymoron to many people.

Not At That Price... (5, Insightful)

nbannerman (974715) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488857)

... There isn't a cat in hells chance of the iPhone touching the iPods market.


Price for one. For $499 (with contract), you can get yourself a 4GB iPhone. For $349 you can get an 80GB iPod. That is a least expensive vs most expensive comparison.

The iPod (well, portable digital music player) market is huge; the numbers speak for themselves. People will happily pay a few hundred dollars for a portable player that'll last a few years. But $499 for a phone, plus contract? That is out of most peoples leagues for something that is completely unproven, if you ask me.

It seems everybody (3, Informative)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489063)

forgot that the original iPod came down in price too - what was it originally? $4-500?

In several iterations, if the iPhone is sucessful enough, I see a diversification of the product line just like the iPod, with the price coming down.

Yes, at that price. (1)

Fross (83754) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489101)

that's on launch. the ipod was pretty expensive when it first came out too.

almost all phones do mp3 playback already. went shopping for a new phone for my girl just yesterday, and the entry level pay as you go one that cost £10 (yes, £10!) did it. probably badly, but it did it.

when they're shifting tons of these things, the costs will come down significantly. it doesn't cost much for the phone electronics, as the above example shows. i suspect it will be absorbed into the price and size of the ipod at some point - one quarter or year, rather than get a price and physical size cut in the ipod, you'll get a phone added in. it will be the only device they make, and that'll be it.

personally i'll be happy for the convenience.

people will bitch that "i don't need a phone" or "i don't need an mp3 player", but most people need a phone, and most people need an mp3 player. i'd really like a single device that can do both *well*. if you're one of those, who's probably complaining right now about extra ipod functionality that you wouldn't use, you don't have to buy it.

Re:Not At That Price... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489167)

I don't expect the price to remain there for long. Apple has sold the original large iPod photo at $600 and now the current equivelent is $350 for a much better device.

There are other problems I have with the announced device, I do expect them to be resolved in a later iteration as well.

Besides, I don't think buying the first iteration of a new product is a good idea.

No (2, Interesting)

nhz (992573) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488861)

Not if Apple understands basic market economics. To maximize product profits, you want to have several levels of functionality/pricing options to capture as much of the market as possible. Functionality in this case can and should include ability to make phone calls, use SMS, browse online, etc. For example, Apple could have a premium portable unit with phone capabilities, and a value-based version with those features turned off in software (with the option to upgrade later, of course).

Eventually, but... (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488863)

Sure, the iPhone may eventually replace the iPod, but not in the short run; its initial price (even with the contract subsidy) is going to be in the neighborhood of the higher end video iPod, but its capacity as a media player will be more like the lower end iPods.

As long as you get a decent basic phone and a high-end iPod for about the same as a phone that also acts as a low-end iPod, the iPhone won't replace the iPod.

No (3, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488875)

And for one very good reason: The iPhone is supposed to be around $600. You can buy iPod Nanos for less than a third of that. iPods were a success, but not an unbelievable hit, until they managed to get the costs down to something your average person can afford as a Christmas or Birthday gift. Not to mention something someone could buy without having to work it in their budget for the next 3 months. The iPhone is just plain too expensive to kill the iPod yet. Maybe if iPhone v.3 or v.4 brings the price down to the point where it's not much more than a regular phone I'll entertain thoughts about it being an iPod killer, but right now I have to say no way.

Apple iSucks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18488887)

I will never by an apple product due to the company being a bunch of hypocritical assholes.

Lets start with sosueme. Follow that up with apple suing bloggers who post product info prior to launch. For a main course we can have a large portion of copyright infringement with the iPhone.

If we need an after dinner snack lets have a nibble of Playfair and the refusal to license it to any other fucking company in the world.

Now I know everybody loves the underdog but seriously, how many kids does the dog need to bite before people realize hey, that dog is an asshole.

Fuck you apple, go iFuck yourself.

Re:Apple iSucks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18489037)

It is FairPlay not PlayFair asshat.

Only after fuel cell revolution (4, Insightful)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488891)

Current 'rich' mobile devices won't replace mobile phones until fuel cell or battery revolution occurs.

Because I don't need a phone that can't live through the day on a single charge. No matter how rich it is.

Not until it's uncoupled (1)

Minimum_Wage (1003821) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488899)

As long as the phone is strongly coupled to a service provider I don't see this happening. Otherwise the cell phone provider will want you to perform every transaction through their service - song downloads, games, apps, whatever. I think it's going to keep the overall cost of ownership too high for a lot of people, at least in the near term.

Re:Not until it's uncoupled (1)

nbannerman (974715) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489083)

The first thing I do when I get a phone (and I'm always getting models a few months behind the curve to save a few £££s) is get it unlocked, and then I flash the firmware.

Orange (in the UK) are well known for branding their phones and removing features. Now I don't think we'll see this with the iPhone as Apple are unlikely to let telcos 'brand' the OS, but hooking directly into certain media streams is quite likely. It won't bother Joe Consumer, but I will certainly avoid anything that doesn't let me choose my own services.

How long is it going to take? (1)

s31523 (926314) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488907)

All you really need is a cell phone. I have Verizon, with the navigational aide and the music capability, it has a crude calendar appointment tool, and a decent camera which can shoot 1Megapixel shots and shoot video. I think the time is now. My only complaint is that the GPS software requires a subscription, except for those times when there is a free demo period. Also, the music player on my phone only plays .wma files, unless you go into the "secret" menus, but that is a pain in the ass. I know a lot of people that use their phone as an all-in-one toy. I can't wait to upgrade to a newer, slimmer version with a bit more functionality on the appointment side of things.

Re:How long is it going to take? (3, Insightful)

putaro (235078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489007)

Great, so you've got all the functions on your phone but they all suck.

Eventually (2, Insightful)

FredDC (1048502) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488909)

Eventually a single device combining cell phone, camera, pda, mp3 player, GPS, ... will replace stand-alone devices. The transition has already started with devices such as the iPhone. Due to high prices, which is common with new types of devices, global adaptation will not happen instantly. People who have one or more seperate devices will not trade them in right away for a single device. If the seperate devices still work properly people will keep using them. But gradually as prices drop people will start buying the single device.

How long ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18488921)

oh about 2 years ago, just about everywhere (apart from the US it seems) we have had MP3 and MP4 video playable phones from Nokia,Samsung,Sony,HTC,MS Mobile, the list just goes on one is for sure there is no shortage of mp3 phones and most are free with the right service plan, and now we have 8/4GB SD cards available at a good price i can fill my wallet with loads of them making the ipod nothing more than an expensive paperweight
but hey dont let the Apple Fanboy Reality Distortion Field cloud your thinking

A more interesting question (3, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488923)

is whether not Apple will introduce iPods(hd or not hd based, possibly depends on the size/cost of flash) that have a subset of the iPhone features and a similar screen. If they do would that end up cannibalizing the iPhone market?

This is just my personal preference, and anything in it that applies to anyone else or the market as a whole is probably a coincidence, but I LIKE having my iPod and phone seperate. That way I can enter into situations in which my phone could be stolen(in tourist areas when travelling, at parties, anywhere were copious amounts of alcohol are consumed really) without having to worry about my phone getting stolen(it's worth maybe $20 at most) and since I have a phone i can call help/call people to meet up with etc. Not to mention a cheap phone tends to have longer battery life than most smart phones and can be abused without much repricussion. I won't get an iPhone, but an iPod with similar capabilities would rock!

Samus Aran (1)

fatlaces (848825) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488929)

No large sunglasses that make us feel like we are Samus or maybe a Predator will be the way to go. Imagine also a wrist-watch for interfacing with your mp3/navigation/PIMing, etc.

Hey guys (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488931)

Let's discuss Apple and their product line, behind the thin veil of a "tech discussion".

I know I'm going to throw away all my iPods when the iPhone comes out. I've already thrown away my Tivo, VCR, DVD Player, Xbox, PS2, cable box, and 40" LCD screen, because Apple has their own TV now!

Now that Apple has a phone that can play an mp3 - AN IMPRESSIVE TECHNOLOGICAL ACCOMPLISHMENT! I mean, my god - a phone playing mp3s? What will they think of next!

You are all asshats. If vcast/treo/etc (every fucking phone plays mp3s) didn't kill the market for a standalone player, why would iPhone? There's an enormous market of people who like music, and dont want a new cell phone. Most people just take the phone thats free with the service.

Who the fuck would rent an iPod?

Apple would love it, though, as you can force phones into obsolescense, while the iPod can do its thing until the shitty build quality rears its head.

Re:Hey guys (1)

ianpm (787890) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489115)

I beleive people actually WOULD rent an iPod if it cost, say, $5 a month to do so.

Of course, this isn't the same thing you are talking about, but what if Apple announced a subscription service on iTunes that for a bit extra each month enabled you to rent an iPod.

Cingular (1)

n9uxu8 (729360) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488933)

Will the iPhone kill the iPod in America?

Not as long as I am only able to get it via Cingular. When it is ubiquitous with all the major carriers...possibly, but that depends on how much storage can be stuffed in at a reasonable price. The flash crowd will by happy with 6 or 8gb, but many folk want the larger music libraries at hand.


Re:Cingular (1)

rizzo420 (136707) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489085)

agreed, especially to the point that it'll only be available to cingular customers. their service isn't as good as verizon.

nevermind the fact that it's $500.

The iPhone *is* an iPod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18488941)

As Jobs said at the launch, it is an wide screen iPod, a mobile phone and an internet communicator.

different types of consumers (1)

dhuv (241988) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488949)

Since the iphone will be exclusive to Cingular for atleast 5 years and I do not see Verizon and T-Mobile going out of business anytime soon, I would suspect that many people will still be using and buying an ipod.

A lot of people have a corporate cell phone. If the company does not replace that phone with at $600 iphone, those people will most likely get an ipod or similar device.

I don't think that the ipod will be replaced that easily, atleast not for a while.

Wow, yet another (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18488963)

Yet another stupid iPod kille article. ipod kill this, ipod killer that. SHUT THE FUCK UP. the ipod is everywhere. it will stay everywhere for a long time. how many ipod killer articles will slashdot keep on putting out?

I hope it does (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488965)

At least the iPhone commercials are SLIGHTLY less annoying than the iPod commercials.

Try this... (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489041)

Turn off your TV. It does *wonders* for commercials, in that you don't have to see any more of them! Case in point: I have no idea what you're talking about.

No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18488971)

People who care to read these comments (unlike Slashdot journalists) know that we had the bloated-beyond-usability-devices discussion already in the past and we came to the conclusion that people want a phone only to make calls and an MP3 player only to play music.

iPhone might be good in both: Being a phone and a MP3 player. But it's clearly more expensive than an iPod.

battery life (1)

mcmaddog (732436) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488977)

Combined mp3-phones will not take over until battery life is substantially better. Having a dead battery in your iPod sucks, but having a dead battery in your phone is unaccetable.

I for one ... (1)

Culture (575650) | more than 7 years ago | (#18488993)

... welcome our iPhone overlords!

Not the iPods apple sells... (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489019)

Apple has actually done a pretty excellent job at positioning different choices for people:

1) Pure music player with a very large storage space for people hwho have to have everything with them (iPod 80GB video)

2) Phone with music playing and PDA abilities with a medium amount of storage (iPhone)

3) Devices that are small enough you can use them anywhere discreetly or while in action (iPod mini and nano).

There are really valid reasons to own all of them. For some people there are valid reasons to own more than one, because they each meet a different need. I could see keeping the 80GB model in a car, while still having the iPhone for roaming use, with a nano for the gym or jogging.

In general though phones are where the market for many music playing devices is headed, Apple realized that too and is getting ahead of the game with the iPhone. In time we'll probably see other versions to replace at least the mini.

Phone, maybe -- not the iAnything. (2, Interesting)

FlyByPC (841016) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489043)

I really don't like Apple's method of tying everything into iTunes. Other mp3 players I've seen have a very simple way of organizing things. When you connect it to your computer, it's a *drive*. You then copy mp3s across (generally, folders and all) and then navigate these on the device. Quick, easy, and no clunky, proprietary software needed.

If I have to choose between a solution that all but requires iTunes (or any other such interface), and one that uses open standards like mp3 and USB drive connectivity, I'll go for the generic mp3 option. Even if it costs more, isn't integrated with a phone, and/or is only available in retro 1970s Harvest Gold color.

It's not because I'm a pirate or anything -- the kind of music I like is readily available for a very reasonable price (eMusic, Magnatune etc). Having to go through iTunes and put up with its interface and invasive practices is a PITA. If I buy an mp3 player, I want to load my songs into it, disconnect it, and not have to bother with buying into anybody's "better" way of doing things.

Re:Phone, maybe -- not the iAnything. (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489253)

Apples products should be subsidized heavily, if not given away free.

What is AppleTV, if not an iTunes franchise attached to my TV? This iPhone, iPod, iEverything - they're all interfaces to Apple's store, much (or most, if not all) of their functionality depends on my sending Jobs my credit card information.

I don't need iTunes in my pocket. I don't need (or want) it at all.

convergence BS (1)

tzhuge (1031302) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489075)

This device convergence stuff keeps coming up over and over again. I just don't get it.

Am I the only one who doesn't care for the single device that does everything worse than dedicated devices? At this point I'm not even convinced that I would be happy with a convergence device that does everything well. What I've seen of convergence so far is that my cellphone has a calender, my iPod has a calender, my laptop has a calender, my watch has a calender and my wall has a calender. The only ones I use are my laptop calender app and my wall calender (cause it has hot babes). The only thing that feature does on my other devices is clutter up the UI.

No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18489093)

There are situations when I want to carry my phone, there are situations when I don't want to carry my phone. Likewise, I don't carry my iPod with me all the time. I find it inconvenient having small devices like that integrated into one - things break, get lost or stolen, things need recharging. I have a cheap and old mobile (Nokia 5210) that has been out in deserts, up mountains, buried in snow, dropped and scratched and is just fine - should it ever break, I can replace it with somehing equally cheap and robust. I don't want to have to worry about carrying a much larger, more fragile and more expensive Phone/MP3/GPS/PDA/etc combo around with me all the time.

I really like my iPod. I really like my 12"Powerbook. I have ZERO interest in an iPhone, or any other MP3 player/mobile combo because I find the idea inconvenient and awkward. Fortunately, I'm not alone in that thought.

Eventually (1)

bishop186 (784357) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489097)

Eventually it will happen. But not until you can either stream your library wirelessly from home or the cellphones have enough capacity to hold a music enthusiast's entire library.

Not before.

What do you need? (1)

Mr Reaney (544642) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489113)

I've had a few XDA smartphones over the past couple of years. I liked them, but they were too big and unwieldy for phones and didn't have enough storage. They were great with BT/WiFi and Skype, but I didn't like carrying the handsfree round with me, so no tunes and no video, despite it having the capability. In short, not enough features in it to warrant the size, in my opinion.

So I got a samsung d500, much better size, has mp3 player, but again, I don't like carrying the handsfree kit, so again, no tunes. Better phone, though, and small enough for a trouser pocket, leaving room for another device.

And that device is an iPod. My wife got sick of me moaning about having no toys of my own, and got me a mac/ipod combo (thanks again, babe!). I feel no problem with the headphones on the ipod because they wrap around the body of the player until I need them. I have no desire for a combo device now, because I have the best of both worlds (except isync is no go with samsungs!)

IF (!) apple can make the iphone less complex for phonecalls, as much storage as my 80Gb ipod, comfortable in size and fully featured enough to deserve the only place in my pocket, AND combine that with a good way of storing wired headphones, I will consider purchasing one. For the record, I wear a suit to work, YMMV. Oh f*ck, I AM NOT HERE NOW BOSS!

iPhone questions (1)

Salsaman (141471) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489117)

1) Will it run or at least synch with Linux ? That is a serious question for once. My iPod runs quite nicely with all of my machines. I wouldn't even consider replacing it with something I couldn't use just as easily.

2) Will the iPhone support ogg vorbis and ogg theora, or will Apple continue paying lip service to the open source community, whose software their entire business depends on ?

Already (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489121)

In Japan, people are already doing this. Here, we have iPods, cell phones, computers, PSPs, all kinds of toys. In Japan, I remember hearing years ago -- basically, your typical teenage girl there just needs a cell phone, and she'll pretty much just use it for text messaging -- but if she needs music, photos, whatever, it's all in there. In fact, she'll use it for just about anything except a phone (since talking on a cell phone is considered rude).

Not a chance (1)

beerdini (1051422) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489123)

For the price of an iPhone there is no way it will replace the iPod for most people, plus the fact that you will probably need a phone plan as well. I for one see the real next generation of iPods being the full touch screen. Not to mention from my experience, I know how crappy my cell phone battery is, I know how crappy my iPod battery is, and I can only imagine the problems I'd encounter if I combined the two.

Nyet (1)

JohnnyGTO (102952) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489131)

I don't want to have to a) wait the 12-24 months Cinguliar forces me to wait between cheap phone upgrades or b) pay full retail for a new phone if I just want a newer player

how long it's going to take.. (1)

openaddy (852404) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489133)

how long it's going to take before all you need is a mobile phone? I hope not before my mom finally figures out how to check her "missed calls" on her current phone.

I personally don't need my phone to do any more than take/make calls and maybe show me the current time. I still take photos w/ a dedicated camera, since photos from a cellphone camera still look pretty crap to me. (Although w/o them, we wouldn't have all those videos of kids kicking each other in the balls for fun on YouTube. What's up with that..?)

Where was I? Oh, yeah, I'll never paying $499 for a phone, unless that's adjusted for inflation in the future.

just in from apple: (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489147)

the iKitchen Sink to be included in the iPhone

did you think our latest i(tm) line of products wasn't comprehensive enough? utilizing the latest advances in flash memory and art school student interface design, the iKitchen Sink function on our iPhones will enable you to enjoy a refreshing glass of water (iBrita Filter sold separately) or wash the dishes, all from the minimalist interface of the iPhone

Get it out! (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489153)

Now you got that 80's song stuck in my head: "Radio Killed the Video Show". Damn you, slashdot!

Re:Get it out! (correction) (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489185)

Correction I dislexitized it; it's "Video Killed the Radio Show". (It's the tune stuck in my head, not so much the lyrics.)

iWhat (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18489165)

Nokia N91 all the way. Fuck iPods, iPhones and iWhatever else

also add... (1)

starbuckr0x (1073378) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489171)

cigarette lighter and leatherman...then you'll truly have all you need in the palm of your hand

iMeh (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18489207)

iDon't iGive an iShit.

Not At All... (1)

badamrock (1012237) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489209)

Especially if the phones doesn't even have a USB port, or if it does, requires it to be purchased seperately. A phone/mp3 player/camera that will probably be used for only one of those functions primarily(depending on the user) that costs hundreds of dollars and has to be bluetoothed(which most people don't have who upgrade computers instead of just buying new ones) unless you pay monthly to have data downloading, or a 1GB mp3 player around $40 that can be USB'd to almost any computer. It's all about convenience.

Ill have to disagree.... (1)

paulmer2003 (922657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489211)

According to, the days of MP3 players, digital cameras and satellite navigation systems are numbered with cell phones about to take center stage.
And why would this be? Until these phones have 80+ gig of storage, music junkies like myself will continue buying mp3 players. Plus, theres a issue with screen size. Considering most cell phones have a max size of like 3-4 square inches, how is one supposed to use a GPS device and read a map?

PDAs have already been crushed by smart phones and the same thing looks to be happening with standalone MP3 players, particularly the smaller flash ones
Okay, but "smaller flash" players dont comprise the entire market of mp3 players, no?

Size, privacy (1)

bjdevil66 (583941) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489215)

Sometimes I just want to get away and leave the phone behind while still being able to listen to music. Also, what about size and weight? I can get a tiny MP3 player vs a phone-sized object. On top of that, for us tin foil hat types - I don't want to have to carry around another trackable device.

NO -- just what network are you on? (1)

cellocgw (617879) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489217)

Which is to say: unless and until all phone networks are interoperable, the iPhone is not going to penetrate very far. Even if I wanted one, and even if it were cheap, I wouldn't switch cellular providers just for an iPhone.

Possibly for me (1)

Scyber (539694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489221)

I have an ipod Mini and Treo 650. Both are starting to show their age and I want to upgrade them this year if possible. I am going to take a serious look at the iPhone when it comes out (I already have cingular). It would be very convenient for me to replace my ipod and treo with a single device.

It's still a niche market (1)

lostatredrock (972881) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489233)

While the people at cnet may be sold on the iPhone, the vast majority of people buying phones are not sold on anything more expensive than free. The iPhone is going to be sitting toward the top of the premium phone market, I would say the jury is still very much on whether it will succeed period never mind whether it will be able to kill other devices.

Using the PDA market as an example here is just dishonest because the segment of the population that was using PDAs was already pre-disposed to a more advanced and integrated device, this is simply not what the majority of phone users really want to do.

Yes it will replace it (2, Informative)

runbadscott (1047086) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489261)

Yes - next question please...

Not likely (1)

Control-Z (321144) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489269)

It may not be perfect, but my iPod doesn't have a monthly service charge. And it's a helluva lot cheaper.

No (1)

Slipgrid (938571) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489271)

No, phones come and go, but a simple music device that can hold all your songs is immortal. For example, I wouldn't want my mp3 player and music collection to become dated when the address book software on the phone is no longer updated.

The keyboard is holding us back (1)

athloi (1075845) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489283)

A computer can fit in a phone, and a phone's basically a computer. An iPod is a phone with more storage and a headphone jack, with the nifty interface from Apple. One of these phonePods with a keyboard is a tablet, and if you make it bigger, it's a laptop. The only problem that remains is the keyboard. Can we have mind-control computers please? I know there would be viruses, but those aren't so different than mass media FUD so why worry.

not here (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489285)

wrong network, and there's too much demand on the battery. too much stuff in there.

Monthly fee (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489291)

iPod per month: $0.

iPhone per month $80 or more.

So no, the iPhone will NOT kill the iPod. For the people that own an iPhone, maybe they will use it as their music/video player; but for most people. the iPod is still the best choice.

The iPod Nano also has huge advantages over the iPhone - much smaller, much more reliable, much longer battery life, and much more rugged. I've dropped my Nano into the spokes of my bike wheel while riding along at 20 MPH - the Nano is fine, only one tiny scratch. Try that with your iPhone.

Different Strokes, Phones, Poddies (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489321)

Price & use differences, & device use conflicts will keep a thriving market for all the different models.

The orginal article is just another piece designed to get the author a writing credit and meager income check, as the publisher doesn't have enough substantial pieces to put up for readers, coupled with the fact other authors have already speculated the same earlier than this article.

My Music Deserves Its Own Device (2, Interesting)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489323)

First off, the iPhone does not even come close to being able to replace any non shuffle, mini, or nano iPod. Anyone with over 8gigs of music already on their devise is not going to be able to live under that ceiling easily. I have well over 40gigs of music on my iPod and I certainly do not see that number going down ever either.

Second, the iPhone cannot be what my iPod is. I use my iPod at the gym, when I jog, as my car stereo, and I am never without it. The same goes for my phone, it is, more or less, never to far away from me. Now it would be nice to have both together just for the fact of keeping track of one thing is easier than two, but the cons are just as bad.

My battery life is shot now. Using one device for two functions I use often would suck the battery life from the devise very quickly. If something breaks on either the phone or the music part, I lose the other function while it is fixed. If you dont have an Apple Store in your hood, you are screwed. If you rely on your smart phone to be productive, which you should if you are spending that much, then you are screwed if you need to fix something. Not enough room, not even close to being an acceptable alternative. Functionality - Can that iPhone do everything my current phone/iPod does? Nope.

Uh... Phones are large and come with a toy camera (1)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 7 years ago | (#18489329)

Even my 7-year-old Casio 3000EX runs circles around a built-in camera phone in features. How is a phone going to replace that? And my MP3 player (a Mobiblu 1GB cube) take up almost no space, while a camera is huge in comparison and contains a lot of functionality I have absolutely no need for.

Convergence? I don't think so...
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