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Samsung's UpStage Looks To Trump iPhone

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the flip dept.

Communications 197

bj sends word of Samsung's recently unveiled cell phone, called UpStage. It will ship April 1 (no fooling) for $300, or $150 with a 2-year contract from Sprint Nextel. "...the UpStage is a candy-bar style handset that's less than half an inch thick and not much taller or wider than an iPod Nano. Other multimedia-friendly cell phones struggle to balance the sometimes-conflicting requirements of a conventional handset and a music or video player; the UpStage solves this quandary by simply putting phone functions on one side of the device and the multimedia functions on the other side."

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197 comments

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Re:FIRST PISS (-1, Offtopic)

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It's all about the looks (5, Insightful)

lemmen (48986) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498277)

It doesn't matter if a phone has all nice features, a lot depends on the looks (both physical and OS).
A small phone with MP3 playback option won't win it of iPhone just because of the MP3 functionality.

Just my 2 cts.

Your 2 cts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498417)

Two cardboard-tube samurai?!

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

Re:It's all about the looks (4, Insightful)

Virtual_Raider (52165) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498467)

It does have a neat feature that I swear I was thinking about some time ago. That spare battery that charges the phone while in the walled. I should have patented it =( I think its biggest downside would be that flip thingamabob, it just to much annoyance potential. IANAAF (I am not an Apple Fanboy) but I read that Jobs supposedly sent designers back to the drawing board because he was unhappy with the usability of the iPhone. I wonder if the Samsung engineers actually spent any time playing with a functional prototype. I feel it would be pretty hard to use this device the way I use my Nokia 6820: play song - text some SMS - read email - pause music - consult the time. If I had to Flip back and forth all the time for half of this things it would certainly make ME flip :P

Re:It's all about the looks (3, Insightful)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498717)

Personally, I think it's a horrible idea, the first problem, what kind of case, carrying/clip is going to be available. The fact that you have one screen in your hand, and another against your face when not using the headset is another (smudgy filthy screen). Not being able to setup playlists on the side that controls playback is a bad idea all around.

Honestly, if you want a decent phone with mp3 playback there are more than a few options out there with mp3 playback, and MicroSD support. I'm using a Nokia 6133, the music interface isn't so great, but is good enough to get through a workout without the need for an extra device (leash).

I think that overall the "Chocolate" line of phones seems to be the best mix of cell + mp3, the biggest limitation on any of them is capacity. It really isn't *SO* hard to have a usable interface for music playback, and regular general phone usage. I honestly like the idea of music in my phone as it's one less device to carry around, but honestly, my iPod is still going to be my preferred device for this. This phone is a gimmick, and to be honest, just seems like something that will annoy people after more than a day of using the thing... Ala nokia's nGage, which was a cool idea, poorly executed...

Re:It's all about the looks (4, Insightful)

arivanov (12034) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498955)

The ergonomics on the recent crop of Samsung (quick look at the article shows that this is valid for this one as well) is absolute crap.

To the point - the side buttons which allow it to be narrower and smaller than a comparable phone by other manufacturers make it impossible to fit the phone in a car holder without pressing at least one of them. Further to this, while it is possible to disable them when the phone is inactive they get activated when you answer or call. As a result you end up with your phone being "friendly" and rejecting a call, adjusting the volume or doing something else wonderfull in call for you if you are answering using a handsfree in a car.

No thanks.

I would rather have a slightly bigger and less buggy phone, which I can fit in a proper car holder. Even if Samsung has actually provided a proper headphone socket this time which I bet it did not so you are stuck with the original crappy headphones.

Re:It's all about the looks (1)

Mattsson (105422) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498901)

Well, I took a look at the Samsung phone and in my eye, it beats the Iphone hands down in looks.
But I also think Apples other hardware are so-so looking... (I have a problem with chrome, white and glossy-plastic designs.)

It also have the advantage of having physical buttons for controllers.
Touchscreens may be cool looking, but they suck from an ergonomics and usability point of view.
For an example, try using a touchscreen mp3-device in your pocket while riding you bicycle.

The biggest downside I can see with this device is the 64MB MicroSD card that comes with it!
Honestly! What are they thinking!
And, of course, the MicroSD is at the moment limited to just 2GB, soon to be 4GB.

Just hope they don't do like SonyEricsson and require an adapter to connect the headphones or use non-standard usb cables for computer-sync. =(
Let's hear it for industry standards! *the masses cheer*
Proprietary connections suck.

Re:It's all about the looks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18499047)

I've seen this phone(well actually the identical Samsung SGH-F300), or should i say mp3 player, on CeBIT. The phone display is really small and writing messages is real scroll adventure. Finding a contact is even worse. You can either search on the small screen by typing part of the name, or you can use the big screen but the catch is that you can't use the keyboard to enter a part of the name, so you have to scroll down. There's no 3G functionality, which for most people is not really a problem. One thing that makes this phone/mp3 player nicer than the iPhone is that is really slick and it will fit any pocket. So unless you want an mp3 player with some call functionality, and don't mind looking a bit stupid to people, who think that you've accidentally flipped you slider phone while talkind, this is actually the perfect solution. But if you want a real phone, not even smartphone, better look for another solution.

Re:It's all about the looks (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499369)

IMHO, This phone just competes with existing phones, it is nothing like an iphone. The iphone for example has NO buttons on the surface of the phone. It is in a completely different league from anything that currently exists on the phone market. The upstage is a good competitor for existing phones though, like against the motokrzr, etc.

double sided phone? (4, Insightful)

Taelron (1046946) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498283)

You just know we are going to read about these in a couple of months failing because the screens are getting cracked and busted left and right.

Re:double sided phone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498487)

left and right
nonono, silly... front and back

Re:double sided phone? (5, Insightful)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498549)

You just know we are going to read about these in a couple of months failing because the screens are getting cracked and busted left and right.

I don't understand - why would having screens on two sides of a phone make them more likely to be damaged? I'd be more worried about the screen on the iPhone since it is a) large and b) the only real input method on the phone. Lets say the the multimedia screen breaks on this device - you still have a functioning phone. If it breaks on the iPhone, you have an expensive brick.

Re:double sided phone? (1)

ThePengwin (934031) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499165)

In these days though people expect technology to be 100% or not at all. But i can see what you mean. you'd want to get the phone fixed, but if the screen was damaged you can still keep some functionality until you had it repaired.

Re:double sided phone? (1)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498697)

Why would anyone want to buy a stylish extra-protective cover if they didn't ?
Gosh, don't you know anything ?

Re:double sided phone? (3, Insightful)

superpete (867509) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498907)

I don't mean to criticise you, but have you ever owned any of the new phones at all? I've only ever seen one phone with a colour screen crack. Compare this to the old Nokia 5110 which had a recall for screens just failing. In fact, I've seen more monochrome screens fail or crack then I have any colour phone displays. On the other side, I don't see what makes this phone so special. Almost every phone on the market here in Australia has MP3 Playback support. In fact you can pick up a Sony Ericsson W300i walkman phone for AU$200 as a prepaid option [optus.com.au] .

Phone vs multimedia GUI? (3, Insightful)

nebaz (453974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498295)

Wouldn't a stylus approach, with a touch screen allow for arbitrary button placement? Wouldn't this solve this problem?

Re:Phone vs multimedia GUI? (4, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498419)

Wouldn't a stylus approach, with a touch screen allow for arbitrary button placement? Wouldn't this solve this problem?

Gak! Stylus? On a phone - like I really want to need two hands to use my phone...

Re:Phone vs multimedia GUI? (1, Funny)

Anomolous Cowturd (190524) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498695)

Gak! Stylus? On a phone - like I really want to need two hands to use my phone...

One hand to keep the pr0n coming via WAP, the other to umm... keep yourself coming via FAP?

Re:Phone vs multimedia GUI? (4, Interesting)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498573)

Wouldn't a stylus approach, with a touch screen allow for arbitrary button placement? Wouldn't this solve this problem?

This is a solution, but I wouldn't say it's the solution. I currently have a PDA-phone and though the touchscreen is nice for the PDA aspects, having to use it for dialing is a pain. Having to a) look at the screen and b) use two hands to do almost everything (as opposed to dialing single-handed and without looking on a normal handset, for example) is a pain. I'm glad cell phone makers are not all on-board with the touchscreen thing because I still think there keypads make for far superior phones. If I didn't have a phone provided through work (hence the lame PDA-phone), I'd possibly consider one of these things.

Transparent buttons... (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499117)

Much better would be little bumps on the screen which feel like buttons but you could see the screen underneath. The buttons could then display their function.

stylus (2, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498637)

But using a stylus is annoying. They are usually smaller than a pen or pencil so they are uncomfortable to use for long periods of time. And then what happens when you lose it? IMO iPhone uses a much better technology...human fingers.

$300 (3, Interesting)

mastershake_phd (1050150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498297)

$300 isnt too bad. Seems like phones have been getting too close to PS3 price territory.

Re:$300 (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499023)

Getting? The Razr was 500 in-plan 800 outside of plan, in 2004. That's a bit higher than the PS3 troll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razr [wikipedia.org]

Re:$300 (1)

mo^ (150717) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499167)

Do people actually pay ticket price for phones though???

I have never paid anything for a phone beynd the £20 a month, one year, contract. had a razr within 2 months of release...

wish i could get a console on those terms.

It looks horrible! (1)

mysqlbytes (908737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498301)

I don't think it's going to upstage the iPhone in any category!

"Looks To..." (4, Funny)

Telephone Sanitizer (989116) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498313)

"Samsung's UpStage Looks To Trump iPhone"

And fails.

Okay, I have no experience with the phone. I'm just saying that as with all recent Samsung phones, it almost certainly has two fatal weaknesses:

1) the typical Samsung phone interface (designed for the cheap and ignorant and their pet hamsters); and

2) the typical Samsung advanced feature-set (a.k.a. the self-destruct which activates immediately upon using it for anything other than voicemail).

Re:"Looks To..." (4, Informative)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498411)

true true.

here's the phone in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-XFK8zOt9E [youtube.com]

This think strikes me as another clunky convergence device with a million buttons..

Re:"Looks To..." (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498755)

Nice video. I think it actually looks fairly decent. What I'd really like is this concept with essentially an iPod on one side and that phone on the other (or maybe phone by sony ericsson, nokia, etc). The mp3 side looks a bit clunky, but the concept is really cool.

As for the million button thing...this is literally a phone combined with an mp3 player...do you have problem with using a normal telephone or something?

Re:"Looks To..." (4, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499393)

Did you catch the part where the lady from Samsung is showing how you can flip the phone - one side for PDA / playing music and the other for making calls? The Gizmondo guy asks "There's no way to get both, right?", to which she replies "No, you wouldn't want them both.". Oh, really? So if I'm in the middle of a phone call and want to lookup a piece of information, or take down a piece of information, or do something as terribly extreme as using a calculator app, then I'm out of luck? I just love the way these marketing people dictate what people are supposed to want. Instead of saying "No, there is a technical limitation" or "We just couldn't get that flexibility into the first generation" she responds with something more along the line of "People smarter than you decided this is how you are going to use this phone".

Sorry, that just really jumped out at me.

Dan East

Title tried too hard... (1)

choseph (1024971) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498705)

Regardless of the phone, article, summary, etc ... it feels really obvious that someone tried too hard to avoid "Samsung's UpStage Looks To upstage iPhone". Just go for it and be done with it.

Ironic name. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498319)

Ironic name, seeing as they're trying to upstage Apple with their product. Wonder what PR genius thought that up. Gives me a chuckle, at least.

Re:Ironic name. (3, Funny)

hc5duke (930493) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498673)

Ironic? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...

Re:Ironic name. (1)

digitaldestiny (983745) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498875)

I was thinking more along the lines of it making sense to name a cell phone "that flips" "UpStage", when you can name it, say, "FlipSide", or "Reverse". "UpStage" is so much cooler. I mean, wow, a phone that is toward, at, on, of, or relating to the rear part of a stage. The Samsung "toward, at, on, of, or relating to the rear part of a stage" must really be something, not at all like it's ugly cousins, the Samsung FlipSide and Samsung Reverse... A little bit like Microsoft Windows Genuine Advantage, where Genuine equals the word "bend", and Advantage equals "over" Just a meaningless rant on naming semantics.

it's all marketing hype anyway (0, Troll)

nanosquid (1074949) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499183)

It's not clear what is supposed to be new or innovative about the iPhone anyway. Touch-screen only phones have been around for a couple of years. A slim touch-screen-only phone that's even slimmer and sexier than the iPhone had won design prizes months before the iPhone was even announced.

So, what's there to "upstage" anyway?

How does it trump? (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498333)

It has a smaller screen, and what sounds like (to me) a more confusing UI that will really get fingerprints and palm prints on the device since you are always turning it over in your hands... And it has its own software for sync. Chances that is better than iTunes?

Also, as you get into pure touchscreen devices (which the media side of this is) then the in-phone UI is crucial, and Apple has shown they can do a good job with consumer UI in small devices.

Now what does sound like a kind of good idea, is the battery pouch where it recharges its smaller battery. That is an interesting ide to keep the device size down while keeping battery life good and shifting some weight to your hip where it an be borne easier.

Re:How does it trump? (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498605)

It has a smaller screen, and what sounds like (to me) a more confusing UI that will really get fingerprints and palm prints on the device since you are always turning it over in your hands...

More fingerprints than, say, a device that relies entirely on touching the screen (iPhone)? I don't think so. Also, based on the information here [mobileburn.com] , the buttons for the media side are touch=sensitive, and not the screen (I'm guessing there is an on/off switch for that side? shrug).

In any case, this seems far less confusing than having everything integrated together. You'll basically have one side dedicated to basic phone functions and the other dedicated to multimedia. Each UI would therefore be optimized for each of it's dedicated functions (i.e. numeric keypad is ideal for a phone, but not for an mp3 player). To me, this is a novel way of basically combining a phone and mp3 player into one device without sacrificing the simplicity of either (of course, I haven't used it, so maybe it's really has nightmare UI - this is just speculation).

Lacks true dedication (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498635)

More fingerprints than, say, a device that relies entirely on touching the screen (iPhone)? I don't think so. Also, based on the information here, the buttons for the media side are touch=sensitive, and not the screen (I'm guessing there is an on/off switch for that side? shrug).

Yes, more fingerprints (or at least smudging) because when you hold a phone your palm will be in constant contact with the media screen, as opposed to brief presses around the screen here and there.

In any case, this seems far less confusing than having everything integrated together. You'll basically have one side dedicated to basic phone functions and the other dedicated to multimedia.

Read the description, that is not really the case. Want to search for a song? You have to flip it over to use the keypad. So really what it ends up being is a media device with a screen on one side and a keypad for controlling it on the other, and software that tells you to fli pthe phone when it needs input. That does not sound at all usable to me, no other device maker has decided to solve the "cannot fit keyboard and screen in same space" problem by putting the keyboard opposite the display.

To me it seems overly expensive for what it is, when for just $200 more you can get, well, an iPhone.

Re:Lacks true dedication (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498661)

Read the description, that is not really the case. Want to search for a song? You have to flip it over to use the keypad. So really what it ends up being is a media device with a screen on one side and a keypad for controlling it on the other, and software that tells you to fli pthe phone when it needs input. That does not sound at all usable to me, no other device maker has decided to solve the "cannot fit keyboard and screen in same space" problem by putting the keyboard opposite the display.

To me it seems overly expensive for what it is, when for just $200 more you can get, well, an iPhone.

I think you are minimizing the fingerprint issue with the iPhone (there is no stylus, no real buttons - _everything_ is accomplished video touching the screen, i.e. generating fingerprints), but point taken for the interface - that does seem fairly clunky. I like the concept of this, mainly because I'm tired of touchscreens for phones, but it looks like it may not be implemented too well.

Oh, and I smile whenever people talk about the iPhone as if you could buy one now (people have been doing it since the announcement!).

Re:Lacks true dedication (1)

dwater (72834) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498993)

> To me it seems overly expensive for what it is, when for just $200 more you can get, well, an iPhone.

$200 is a lot to some people...

Re:How does it trump? (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499543)

My guess is that they're going to sell WAY more of these things than Apple will sell iPhones during April and May.

It's funny that a product that won't be on sale for several months is "the one to beat".

uPhone? (4, Funny)

dotslashdot (694478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498335)

Shouldn't they just call it uPhone? That way, when someone asks, "iPhone?", you can reply, "No. uPhone."

Yes, yes... (1)

supersocialist (884820) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498445)

We all moan for new phones.

WhaHuh? (5, Informative)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498345)

Um, how does this have anything to do with the iPhone? What is the point in comparing the two devices? For all I know this phone will turn out to be successful, but it is a completely different product.

iPhone - 4-8 GB of storage
Upstage - 64 MB (HA! yes Megabyte!)

iPhone - 3.5 inch screen at 320x480
Upstage - 2.1 inch screen at 176x220

iPhone - Ability to upload your own video content
Upstage - Access to Sprint TV video clips

Why are these being compared? They are not in the same product class or market.

Re:WhaHuh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498413)

I'll bet the service provider lock-in is *very* comparable.

Re:WhaHuh? (5, Funny)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498453)

Why are these being compared? They are not in the same product class or market.

Because it's an "iPhone killer", duh!

Oh wait.... since the iPhone hasn't been released yet, I guess that would instead make it an "iPhone aborter"..

Re:WhaHuh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498769)

Yay, I'm all pro-choice on the phone market!

Re:WhaHuh? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498519)

Um, how does this have anything to do with the iPhone?

It's a phone. Don't nitpick.

Wink-wink. Did I say that out loud question mark

What is the point in comparing the two devices? For all I know this phone will turn out to be successful, but it is a completely different product.

Apple sells.. newspapers, most of all. I bet Apple sold more worth of site articles, newspapers and magazines than all business Apple ever had on its own.

Which is why, with all this free advertisement iPhone gets, it'll be quite the shame if it bombs when it's actually released, smiley face.

Re:WhaHuh? (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498639)

iPhone - 4-8 GB of storage
Upstage - 64 MB (HA! yes Megabyte!)

iPhone - Ability to upload your own video content
Upstage - Access to Sprint TV video clips

The storage is via microSD memory cards and it supports up to 2GB sticks. The 64MB is what is included with the phone. As for video, it mentions that you can upload your own music to the phone rather than purchasing it via Sprint, but makes no mention of whether you can do the same with video (I'll assume not until someone says you can).

Why are these being compared? They are not in the same product class or market.

The iPhone is somewhat difficult to peg. It is essentially a PDA (but no unauthorized 3rd party apps?), but is largely marketed as a multimedia device/cell phone (I got the impression it was being sold as iPod video/phone rather than a direct crackberry/windows mobile replacement) so comparing it to other multimedia/phone hybrids seems to be at least somewhat valid.

Re:WhaHuh? (1)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498963)

So U claiming 2GB+64MB > 4GB???
Hmmm... i always thought our school system taught us bad math. I didn't know it was this bad.

Re:WhaHuh? (1)

paulkimchee (1080589) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499005)

HA! yes Megabyte?? iPhone - 4,000-8,000 MB of storage Upstage - 64MB - 2,000MB of storage I don't think you read correctly... it's a TRANSFLASH card... and they go up to 2GB.

Some contraditions (1, Troll)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499273)

First of all, the uPhone is expandable via MicroSD cards. The iPhone is not from any specs I have seen. Seeing how you can get a 2 GB MicroSD card now for under $50 I would be highly surprised if Sprint was not packaging this phone with AT LEAST 2 GB of memory when it finally comes out. It may in fact have 4 GB. And even if it does not unlike the iPhone, you can expand it to your heart's content.

Secondly, because there are actually TWO screens and ACTUAL BUTTONS FOR THE PHONE you don't need a large screen.

Realistically I think the parent has a good point, and is pointing out why the iPhone is going to fail.

The iPhone is not a good phone, because it doesn't have buttons - anyone who has a touch screen PDA phone now (me!) can tell you what a pain this is when making calls. No matter hoe well Apple makes the touch screen, it is not going to be tactile, so it's goig to be impossible to dial with your thumb while carrying groceries in one hand, and fumbling with your keys and phone in the other.

Also the iPhone is not a good PDA, because it does not have push email capability from Outlook, and it has no WiFi.

So what is it then? It is an overpriced iPod / Cell Phone love child, that no teenager can afford, and no adult will find useful.

I think Apple made two big mistakes with the iPhone. First, they make it too expensive. Second, no WiFi. If it was a bit cheaper, or it had WiFi, at least your business customers might jump on the bandwagon.

Re:Some contraditions (1)

dFaust (546790) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499587)

Actually, the iPhone does have wifi [apple.com] (B/G)

Meh. (1)

L4m3rthanyou (1015323) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498353)

Normally I'd recommend the "owned" tag, but given the general sensibility of customers (or rather, lack thereof), whether it will succeed long-term against the iphone is anyone's guess. I think it'll sell in the beginning for sure, especially if it comes out before the iphone. Samsung makes good phones, and the Upstage sounds cool in its own right. However, as the iphone price comes down after a few months, who knows.

Not exactly in the same league (4, Insightful)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498379)

It's impossible to compare the two. Out of the gate the screen size is nothing like the iPhone and the features and system don't compare. Smaller isn't always better. Remember the old calculators on pens? How many weeks did those last. It's another smart phone not an iPhone killer. Love it or hate it iPhone isn't like other phones on the market so they are tough to accurately compare. In another release or two the differences should get a lot more obvious.

Re:Not exactly in the same league (1)

Mattsson (105422) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498999)

It is impossible to make an Iphone killer since it hasn't been release yet.
I is also impossible to compare it to other phones on the market since it isn't on the market yet.
When I can stand in a shop and actually try it out, *then* I can compare it to other phones on the market.
Paper-specs, pictures and flash-animations are worthless when it comes to deciding if a device is any good or not.

Already Obsolete (3, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498407)

The blurb in the ad says that it's upgradable to 2GB.

Sorry, but the new SD cards are 4GB. Devices that max out at 2GB don't even see that the card exists.

A coworker bought one to stuff in his smartphone. He should have read the fine print.

--
BMO

   

Re:Already Obsolete (1)

legallyillegal (889865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498463)

that's a limitation of FAT.

Re:Already Obsolete (2, Informative)

Geekner (1080577) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498683)

It is hard to find high capacity SD cards that work in most devices. First, most devices have restrictions like filesystems and older SD specifications for the card reader. Only revised SD specs support 4GB cards. Even worse, there are new SDHC (Secure digital high capacity) cards, special cards that use a completely different filesystem and make it even harder to find the right card for your device. For example, while looking for a card for my palm tx, palm's website stated a max of 2gb for SD cards. It turned out, since the TX has support for fat32, you can use non-SDHC 4gb cards without issues (possibly goes for trio phones too). Some devices don't support fat32 at all, so they must use 2gb cards with fat16. Even worse, older devices use early SD specifications, which do not support 2gb at all. Its quite a mess, but overall I still like SD cards over the other types of memory I have tried. I just wish more MP3 players supported full size SD, the sansa players I have seen only support miniSD.

Re:Already Obsolete (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498685)

It is not really your work mates fault, it can be tricky trying to find out how much your devices will support (some only support 1gb, some 2gb, some 8 gb, some less) Even the product information page at Sandisk is incomplete.

Re:Already Obsolete (1)

RedBear (207369) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499305)

The blurb in the ad says that it's upgradable to 2GB.

Sorry, but the new SD cards are 4GB. Devices that max out at 2GB don't even see that the card exists.

A coworker bought one to stuff in his smartphone. He should have read the fine print.


Everyone in this thread so far has apparently failed to notice that MicroSD is not the same as the regular SD card format. And MicroSD only comes in up to 2gb so far. 4gb is probably a ways away since SDHC cards have only recently reached 4gb. Even MiniSD maxes out at 2gb right now.

Isn't it great having ten million different card formats?

One word: (3, Insightful)

Goatboy (22601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498499)

Ugly.

How can you compare something that looks like a cellphone and an mp3 player stuck together back to back with something as undeniably sleek and well-designed as the iPhone?

C'mon cell phone manufacturers, it's not that hard, hire some designers can actually design something that looks good and is functional - this is all that Apple does, it really is as simple as that; they've proven that people will pay extra for something that is beautiful and 'just works'

To paraphrase Ballmer: "Designers! Designers! Designers!"

Re:One word: (2, Interesting)

Ed Mooring (300887) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498633)

"C'mon cell phone manufacturers, it's not that hard, hire some designers can actually design something that looks good and is functional - this is all that Apple does, it really is as simple as that; they've proven that people will pay extra for something that is beautiful and 'just works'"

It actually is that hard. You don't just go out and hire a designer. You need to spend time and money figuring out what people want so your brilliant designer can make something that is "beautiful and 'just works'".
PHBs don't understand this, so you get something that the PHB thinks that other people think is cool. Unfortunately PHBs aren't cool, and rarely ever get it.

Re:One word: (2, Insightful)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498707)

Ugly.

Some people don't judge things based on appearance. Attractive does not necessarily mean usable and ugly does not necessarily mean unusable. My old blackberry was significantly more easy to use than my current Windows Mobile phone but it doesn't look nearly as nice.

Re:One word: (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498801)

Good call. You stick to boning the fatties, and I'll stick to penetrating the hot ones.

I simply don't understand ... (2, Interesting)

TheRealNecator (663767) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498503)

Why is the iPhone the reference?
1) It even isn't there yet.
2) Most of those fancy Windows Mobile (and versions before) were touchscreen only bar like phones ... what is the new thing about that iPhone -- except, that you are not allowed to use your own software?

So, may somebody tell me the great thing about the iPhone, besides that it is from Apple?

Re:I simply don't understand ... (1)

wopie (1080575) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498627)

This article explains why iPhone will be great and is different.

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=2 &entryid=233 [digitmag.co.uk]

"The iPhone's relevance lies not in its convergence of phone and iPod or even the mobilization of OS X, but that it's the first-ever, mass-market computer with a third-generation UI."

Re:I simply don't understand ... (1)

blankaBrew (1000609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499455)

Objective Features that are Unique
-Visual Voicemail
-Real Web Access (i.e. not crippled/web clippings)
-Large Memory (4Gig and 8Gig Versions)


Subjective Features that are Unique
-User Interface (This includes Multi-Touch, Hi Res Graphics and the Accellerometer)
-The Best iPod (based on Interface)
-Easy and Powerful Syncing with your Desktop Computer
-The Best PhotoViewer app on a phone


These features are important and unique... that's the source of the buzz.

two sided phone, already been done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498509)

Remember the Communicator range from nokia, it has two sides, a plain phone when closed and the smart phone when opened, and it still sucked!

Killer... (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498547)

Why don't we just start calling every cell phone an "iPhone Killer" right now, instead of building up to it for months...

I'm sick of the Apple pop cliche. If you want to build a phone, good for you, Apple need not enter into it. Constantly comparing your products to Apple's, will only help Apple out-sell you, and not for reasons of technical superiority, either. Trends just work that way...

And if you want to make a damn good product, a half-assed job copying a handful of individual features isn't going to do it. Doing it with 5 different product lines every year isn't going to help (the iPod practically hasn't changed in the years since its introduction). Such gimmicky tricks hurt in the long run.

Did they even think about HCI? (1)

AndyboyH (837116) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498579)

The idea of constantly turning over an item to achieve separation of functionality just makes me wonder whether it's an MP3 player glued onto a phone and firmware hacks to achieve comms between the two...

Who will be turning between the front and back to use it? That must be a very uncomfortable way to do things if you're flitting between phone and MP3 player.
Why have 2 screens on opposing sides (before anyone makes the comparison - it's not a DS - they can't both face you at the same time) when you could cut costs and make a better product by using one?

Adventurous design - yes. Thoughtless design? Probably. :(

Ugh. (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498603)

I really don't want to turn the phone over to access the other half of the functionality.

What interface guru thought that up?

Re:Ugh. (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498667)

You don't have to, just carry a mirror with you everywhere you go, and strategically place it when you want to see the other side. See, samsung thought of everything.

Samsung have been doing this for while with there phones, just realeasing a huge pile of phones, and hope that some of them stick. I see it as more as a prototype production house, than an actual sales giant. If anyone at Samsung gets a new idea (good or not), bam, a new phone. I think they are just trying to release as many products as possible, in the hope of getting 90% of the shelf space available.

Linux ? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498655)

But does it run Linux ?

Faster approval? (2, Interesting)

ktappe (747125) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498715)

The supposed reason we're waiting for the iPhone (at least for those of us who are waiting for it) is that Apple needed 5 months to get FCC approval for it. How are all these "iPhone killer" rivals getting their products to market faster? Sure, one could say "they started first" but when why don't we know about their products already? Apple seemed deathly afraid of not being able to keep their application secret, but it is said they could not keep it secret any longer once they submitted it to the FCC. This implies that if there is an "iPhone killer" out there, its application to the FCC is on file and all we need to do is check with the FCC or get a spy there to leak the info. N'est pas?

Re:Faster approval? (1)

llirik (1074623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498831)

Maybe because it is based on existing platform, while Apple has to get approval for brand new platform?

Re:Faster approval? (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499505)

Just a guess, but maybe because Samsung didn't feel the need to create a media circus around their new product? It's not like Samsung hasn't made phones before.

Re:Faster approval? (1)

noddyxoi (1001532) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499577)

Apple don't want people spending money with other phones, they want people to save money during 6 months to buy their stuff. That is why they announced it earlier.

samsung cripples their phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498727)

Samsung intentionally cripples their phones so that one cannot load j2me java applications any way except 'over the air'. It's a transparent effort (successful) to force people to get data plans and pay carrier download charges - or not get full value out of the phone. It really sucks. They think the carriers are the customers - we are just there to be milked.

Re:samsung cripples their phones (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498975)

So load your apps at night or on the weekend, when airtime is free. Doesn't Sprint let you do that?

GSM version review.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498759)

In other parts of the world, this phone is known as the Samsung F300. Review, photos, and video of the GSM version is here [mobile-review.com] .

I'm guessing the Sprint version is going to have a hacked up user interface. And of course, it will have a restrictive method of loading music into the phone.

Whatever happened (2, Interesting)

chuckymonkey (1059244) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498783)

to using a phone to talk to people? I have a cell phone under protest and that's all I use it for. My camera takes better pictures and my mobile music player holds much more music and can be strapped to my arm. So why this insistance on making a phone a small computer. Some use it for work sure, and I don't get that really. Work stays at work for me, family is much more important.

whats wrong with... Re:Whatever happened (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498853)

What's wrong with reading a book, or listening to music, or getting IM using your phone? You have to carry it anyway - why not let it do a few things...it can be a nice 'generalist' device - without being a substitute for any particular specialist device.

Re:Whatever happened (1)

thetroll123 (744259) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498865)

>Work stays at work for me

That's inherent in flipping burgers for a living. There *is* a demand for smartphones, whether you like it or not - the fact that you personally have no use for one is a rather small sample on which to base the assumption that they're redundant.

Re:Whatever happened (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499289)

There is a demand for smart phones from people who think they're super important and *think* they need to have connectivity at all moments. I saw enough of it when I was working for AMD. At the airports you'd see people flip out their BB's to read some email or whatever as soon as the plane touched the ground. Look, you're not that important. Chances are whatever mail you do have can wait till you get to your hotel or office. People just like playing "dress up" and act like what they think an adult/businessperson should act like.

I'm not against the idea of more useful phones. I just hate that people are wholesale willing to buy into anything that comes out on the market. Most phones are the result of amalgamated crap. 0.3MP cameras, slow processors, poor sound/music playback, limited storage, etc... While the features are getting more sophisticated it's happening wickedly too slow because they [samsung/nokia/motorola/etc] know they can drag their feet the entire way. Afterall, people will buy shit, so long as it's ever so slightly better than last years shit.

I'd rather just get decent but cheap phone, and pack an iPod with me then buy an expensive phone that has some limited mp3 playback functionality. My $160 canon camera takes 4MP pictures, can store them on my $50 2GB SD cards, and runs off plain AA batteries [re: no expensive battery packs]. If you add up the cost of my phone, ipod and camera, it costs about as much as the iPhone. But does each of their jobs so much better. Odd that.

Tom

Re:Whatever happened (0, Offtopic)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498869)

Damn, no mod points for a troll mod.

verizon customers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18498859)

ok so whats up with verizon they dont have a phone to compete?

Urg (2, Interesting)

grrrl (110084) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498933)

Surely the screen sizes are the wrong way around?

My Ericsson T18 had a screen that big, and while you can certainly SMS with only two lines of text that was the good old days when we SMSd in the snow and liked it, or something. I think we are well past that now - seeing the entire message on the screen is a little more user-friendly.

For music though, you don't need as much space - the iPod nano only has 6 or 7 lines per page and is very usable.

Re:Urg (1)

ezzewezza (84083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499525)

I'm pretty sure only seeing two lines of your pictures and videos and such would be a little more annoying than only seeing two lines of your text message. But maybe that's just me.

My god that's going to be dreadful to use. (1)

bradavon (1066358) | more than 7 years ago | (#18498953)

My god that's going to be dreadful to use. Nice idea but completely impracticable.

Supports java too (2, Informative)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499033)

Runs J2ME [phonearena.com] , so I can use one of the many open SSH implementations, GMaps [engadget.com] , lots of great games etc.

Being more open and home brew friendly makes this much more attractive to me than the iPhone.

American Phones Suck (3, Informative)

paulkimchee (1080589) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499055)

I'm in Korea right now, and the technology that they put into phones is amazing. They've had DMB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Multimedia_Br oadcasting [wikipedia.org] in their phones for about a year now... The cameras in their phones go up to 5 megapixels, broadband internet (WiBro)... they have tons of phones that trump the iPhone... hands down, but not in the US market. When Samsung exports phones to the US, we're getting phones that Korea had 2-3 years ago...

Samsung makes rubbish phones (1)

ikekrull (59661) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499075)

After owning a Samsung 'Blade' A900 for a short time, I can't imagine this phone has any redeeming features whatsoever.

The A900's battery life was appallingly bad, you couldn't add words to the T9 dictionary, mp3 ringtones we limited to those you had to pay for (converting mp3 to AAC video was a hack, but i resent having to 'hack' this simple functionality) , interface was abyssmally bad, call quality was poor and the connectors were fiddly and poorly designed.

Basically, the worst piece of crap cellphone i've ever had the misfortune to use. I would recommend testing any samsung cellphone thoroughly before buying, as they certainly know how to build a lemon.

 

Cluster (4, Funny)

Morky (577776) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499191)

A Beowulf cluster of these things couldn't upstage the iPhone.

spon63 (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18499323)

BSD ha!s Always At this point

From the article... (1)

TheVoice900 (467327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499329)

Even when the music/multimedia side is activated, you will have to use the phone side whenever you need to input text--for example, to create a playlist, search the Sprint Store's music catalog, or specify a URL for a site you wish to visit in the small-screen-optimized browser.

I was a little confused the first time I encountered a text-input box on the music side, since no alphanumeric keys and no software keyboard appeared. But the device is smart enough to recognize the need to use the phone side, and I noticed that "Flip" had appeared on screen as a soft-key option.

When I used it and began entering text from the phone keypad (T9 text input mode is a welcome option here), "Save/Flip" also appeared as a soft-key option to return me seamlessly to the multimedia side.
Ok, is it just me, or does that sound like it would get incredibly annoying to use? Why even allow text-input boxes on the music side if it requires flipping the phone over to the other side to input text? This device sounds like an absolutely confusing usability nightmare. No thanks... next please.

Infinitely better design than the iPhone or iPod (0)

argent (18001) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499467)

On the music side, a conventional d-pad.

On the phone side, actual buttons.

This is a win-win situation. Oh, the "flip" business is gimmicky, and unnecessary... they could easily fit both interfaces on one side of the phone... but I can't see anyone sane buying the iPhone over this given a choice. My wife's got a similar Samsung phone (it seems almost identical on the phone side) and is very happy with it, and I'm seriously considering giving up my long-standing preference for Nokia and going with a Samsung for my next phone.

It's a pity they didn't think of this a few years back when they put the SPH up against the Treo and lost. With a real phone keypad and a full size display they'd have had a winner.

Of course in the US cellphone market nobody will get a choice. If you're not on Sprint you'll probably not have the option of getting the UpStage, and if you're not on AT&T Cingular you won't get the iPhone on the menu.

Re:Infinitely better design than the iPhone or iPo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18499497)

Interesting the point on considering Samsung over Nokia, which I too always held as having the best user interface and menu system in the world of cell phones. I took the plunge though and tried a Samsung and found it to be much better than the Nokia in many ways. Their menu system is even better than Nokia and much quicker.And typically the Samsumgs have much more memory and trickery than any Nokia in the same class.

Two things I want in my new phone (3, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18499529)

WiFi and Skype. If it can't do that, I won't buy it. I'm only interested in calling cheap. That what a phone is for. Skype is the cheapest way I know to call people, provided they also have a Skype account.
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