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Tactics in the Porn Industry's Fight Against Piracy

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the interesting-times dept.

The Internet 113

An anonymous reader writes "A C|Net article discusses the technological innovations being used by the porn industry to ensure they stay relevant (like streaming HD-quality feeds and remote interaction), as well as profitable. Live performances and cutting-edge technology combine to ensure a steady stream of revenue in the age of free downloads. 'Now Kink.com is on the cutting edge of the fight against video piracy. While mainstream entertainment outlets like Viacom and NBC complain noisily about YouTube, Kink.com, with neither the resources nor the mainstream appeal of its giant counterparts, is in an even tougher fight: Protecting the content it produces that's continually copied and reposted on the dozens of Web sites that traffic in poached adult material.'"

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i want to eat my first pussy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554397)

any suggestions?

Re:i want to eat my first pussy (4, Funny)

serialdogma (883470) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554415)

Yes, first ensure your now dead cat is cooked though-out and start with the head.

Re:i want to eat my first pussy (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555283)

Yes, first ensure your now dead cat is cooked though-out and start with the head.

      Kittens are best of course, far more tender and less stringy. But for the REAL thing, you should try puppy.

No, the kittens... (2, Funny)

CrimsonScythe (876496) | more than 7 years ago | (#18562189)

...are reserved for huffing [uncyclopedia.org] . Don't they teach anything in school anymore?

Pay for it.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554469)

Seriously. I got pissed off trying to get laid with girls who didn't even give me a second look. Don't go out and find some dirty street hooker though, get yourself a high-class escort. It'll cost, but it's worth it. In the long run it'll probably cost less than a girlfriend or wife would, plus there's no commitment, no birthdays, anniversaries or valentine's days to worry about and certainly no inevitable costly divorce ;-) Plus if you're a regular client you'll probably get a discount. Think about it, all the sex without the nagging wife. I've been doing this for some years now and my life is great, sure my friends who have girlfriends or wives get sex more often than I do, but I get anal, a completely shaved pussy and no hassle. Plus my mates can come over for sports / film nights whenever I want.

Re:Pay for it.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554515)

I prefer ugly chicks. Turn the light off and nobody knows the difference. They are usually nicer, they'll cook for you and do your dishes, they are more willing to do that "thing" you like that would get you slapped by a pretty chick, they usually want to have a job of their own to validate themselves (low self-esteem often), and you don't have to worry about her cheating on you. You tell her you think she's beautiful and its a win-win situation.

Oh, by the way, eating pussy is overrated. Something that most people only try once.

Re:Pay for it.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554541)

Oh, by the way, eating pussy is overrated. Something that most people only try once.
 
Hmm, I take exception to that, I love doing it, even when I'm paying for it (the completely bald pussy helps). She loves it too, which makes her more open to other things. Oh, and btw, if you get the right escort, she'll be not only pretty but she'll do pretty much any "thing" you can think of, like say, anal, facials etc. The one I visit also does porn, so anything she'll do in porn, she'll do with me.

Re:Pay for it.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555667)

Oh, by the way, eating pussy is overrated. Something that most people only try once.
It takes getting used to, but if you're good at it girls will love you for it. If you really don't like it, you can always use hypnosis to make you like it. Go to WarpMyMind [warpmymind.com] (NOT WORK SAFE) and download the file "PussyLover". I did this a year ago and listened to it about 4 times a day for a few months. I now enjoy eating pussy more than anything else, and really get off on seeing the girl react to it.

Here's the description of the file:

This file makes the listener love the taste, smell and feel of a woman's pussy. They will take every opportunity to go down on a partner that he/she can.
Get the file here [warpmymind.com] (NOT WORK SAFE)

I don't need hypnosis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18558861)

I just love seeing, hearing, feeling a woman react to it. The knowledge that I can give a woman that kind of ecstasy gives me a lot of confidence. And when she gives me head in return, it'll be fantastic.

It's also a good way to keep things moving between rounds.

It's not overrated if you do it right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18559777)

it's nice to turn your MOTAS into a pile of quivering orgasm jelly.

Re:Pay for it.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554631)

Is it customary to tip a prostitute?

Re:Pay for it.... (1)

shaze (665876) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556333)

You must tip all escorts, especially the more compliant they are. You want ass to mouth? That'll cost ya. You want Greek (anal)? At least $100/hour more than her going rate. The key is to look for the GFE tag in their profiles, you can find tons under the Erotic Services area of Craigslist.

But myself, I like love; nothing like a pretty girl who cares for you.

CL and Greek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18559567)

Providers who know what they're doing in this business won't ask for tips or expect them. Anything that implies they're getting extra pay for specific activities undermines the legal umbrella under which they are able to do business as escorts. And a well-reviewed, top-notch provider (I've seen many) will simply charge a higher hourly rate.

GFE doesn't mean Greek is on the menu. It's not something you want to rely on in providers' profiles, anyway. Reviews will indicate if GFE-type services are offered, and as with everything, your mileage may vary. The PSE tag, meaning pornstar experience, can mean Greek is available, but it's something that's awfully unpredictable, which is one reason I'm glad it's not my thing.

And Craigslist is full of robs, scams, pranks, and traps. Definitely not the place a newbie should start out. Go with reputable agencies or well-reviewed independent providers. And do some research first.

Whatever works for you (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556599)

Just make sure you get checked regularly for STDs. Condoms are very effective but nothing is foolproof.

Re:Pay for it.... (1)

l0cust (992700) | more than 7 years ago | (#18557407)

+1 Informative.

A post about getting high class escorts instead of cheap hookers because they have shaved pussy and do anal. Only on Slashdot.

...

Er..actually disregard all this, do you have any tips how to contact the good agencies. You got me all interested now.

Re:Pay for it.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18558383)

There are probably review boards online for your area to help people looking for this type of service avoid the scams and rip-offs. TheEroticReview.com has regional boards, but local forums may be more informative and detailed, and less likely to require registration. Just take some time to do your homework before making the call. Read up on client etiquette, as well.

And no, it is not customary or even good form to tip. Simply bring along the agreed-upon donation. If anything more than that is asked for during the session, you have encountered an "upseller," something the review boards should help you steer clear of.

Re:Pay for it.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18558997)

I guess that works if you're into sexually transmitted diseases.

Right, picking chicks up at clubs is SO much safer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18559805)

At least these girls typically get tested on a regular basis, which is more than can be said for the general public. And they always (okay, some very rare exceptions) require the use of a condom.

Besides, women sleep around, too. Because of the stigma, they don't brag about it the way guys do. So you're no safer with the girl you've just hooked up with, or got in the sack on the third or fourth date. Probably less.

You want safety? Don't screw anybody. Then you're home-free, you know, provided some drunk doesn't kill you in a car crash or something. I say, take precautions, but go out and LIVE while you can. Use your equipment while it doesn't need Pfizer's little blue pills to work properly.

Re:i want to eat my first pussy (0, Offtopic)

AlgorithMan (937244) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554567)

god, please, somebody delete this crap thread!

Sounds promising... (2, Funny)

d3m0nCr4t (869332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554399)

The idea of "remote interaction" sounds very promising. :D

Re:Sounds promising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554553)

absolutely, but it is somewhat limited by the 'permeability' of the medium :)

free porn, ripped from kink: http://zataka.com/ [zataka.com] ;)

Re:Sounds promising... (1)

RealityNews (1080601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554557)

The idea of "remote interaction" sounds very promising.
I hope this is not intented as the cure for the absence of "intimate interaction."

Re:Sounds promising... (3, Funny)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554633)

The idea of "remote interaction" sounds very promising. :D
Telecummuting?

Re:Sounds promising... (1)

grimJester (890090) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555021)

Teledildonics. [wikipedia.org]

Live interaction with the performers would be difficult to pirate. Unless it's being streamed from a ship.

Re:Sounds promising... (1)

StarfishOne (756076) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556531)

Scanning over the comments, I first read:

"Live interaction with the performers would be difficult to penetrate."

A mind with a very fast global association system is a guarantee for every day funnies ;)

Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555171)

... even the remote idea of interaction sounds promising here. 8P

Re:Sounds promising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555263)

Yes, but for /. readers, it would go more like:

Delibrane: Yea, look at those boxes. Yea, take off her case. Wow, look at that wiring job.
Tranj: Oooo, twins, i wonder which one had the recasing job?
Birik: Stick it in her!! Plug that Ethernet port!
Melcord: Networked boxes are sooooo hot!
Delibrane: Indeed, and those naughty twins are about to share very personal information.
Xiranthi: Hardware specs?
Delibrane: No, stress test programs they run in unison, it gets very intimate.
Birik: Intimacy is overrated, i just want to see their heatsinks get hot, and thermal paste oose out in unison!
Tranj: Thats not the only thing oosing out of them.
Melcord: Guess their PSU's just couldent take it, may they rest in piece.
Xiranthi: I got dibs on the harddrives.
Delibrane: Pervert.

According to a T.C Boyle short story (long ago) .. (3, Funny)

wsanders (114993) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555423)

The "remote interaction" technology will be used to reach out and grab your testicles until you can produce a valid credit card number.

Irony (0, Troll)

Seiruu (808321) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554403)

"Yo dirty notty people from the piracy world! How dare you do something so immoral as piracy! Take an example of us skimpy clothed, if at all, men and women working hard with dildos and shower cream to teach our men, women and children the real values of morals and ethics! Shame on you guys!"

Re:Irony (5, Insightful)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554537)

I think the point is that they are not doing anything to "fight" piracy and condemn immoral pirates (if you bother to RTFA you will see that kink.com never talks about fighting piracy and they never call it wrong), they are trying to evolve their business model so that it is profitable in the age of modern technology. This is what the rest of the movie/recording industry should be doing as well, but since the "big four" have a voice loud enough to get politicians to change the laws, they are trying to support their obsolete business model through litigation. The adult entertainment industry, which does not have the luxury of such a public voice, is finding ways to innovate.

So the message is not, "hey you dirty immoral pirates take a lesson from us porn starts", the message is "hey you silly family entertainers, if a bunch of us porn stars can turn a profit with the help of modern technology, why can't you?"

Re:Irony (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554627)

For example if you move to BluRay production, the "total quality" media will be 50 GB and the pirates using P2P (which as I tipped, they sometimes leak their own) will know there is a 1080p version out there.

That is why Sony and Toshiba (Bluray vs HD-DVD) are speaking with that industry now, I believe lots of HD-Camera/Equipment vendors too.

Re:Irony (5, Funny)

ari wins (1016630) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554769)

It's not that ironic, the porn industry tends to be a missionary when it comes to new technology. Remember how everyone was saying sony was going to take it doggystyle because there was a blurb about the porn industry shifting to HD-DVD? As of yet, I don't see a dirty sanchez appearing on the Sony name, at least not from that "war".

You can't expect the *IAA to do a reverse cowgirl on their stand either, to do so would be to open themselves up to ridicule across the media band, not just in sixty-nine articles on /. It's really too bad, because it seems like their trying to play a rusty trombone, but they're felching it up. The profits they could receive from the menage-a-trois of dvds/online distribution/set-top sales(vod) would provide a real shocker if they could do so in a non-intrusive manner. I'd much rather be dry-humped then have to use the provided glory hole and hope there's not a pitbull on the other side.

Sure porn piracy runs rampant, has for decades. But, umm, how much do they sell in a year? If you want to try fellatio on my conscious, it's not going to happen. I'll never pay for porn.

Re:Irony (1)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554895)

Nice -- at first, I thought the use of the word "missionary" was unintentional, then I read on. Well-done!

Re:Irony (2, Insightful)

a_nonamiss (743253) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555501)

This may be the first post in the history of /. that manages to be both informative and erotic.

Re:Irony (1)

Pyrrhic Diarrhea (1061530) | more than 7 years ago | (#18557041)

Best. Post. Ever. Please send as a certified letter to all corporate partners of the *IAA, members of Congress, and the White House just for kicks.

Re:Irony (2, Interesting)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554883)

If there is any Irony, it's not so much the porn industry's actions, but the anti-piracy fight from the rest of the industry. The RIAA and MPAA started pushing terms like theft and piracy to influence the mainstream consumers, and a lot of their advertizing is aimed at 'wholesome family values' types. (Like the movie adds that say "You wouldn't steal a purse..." - last time I saw it, I looked around the theatre and realized a couple of the people in there probably paid for the ticket that way). What's ironic is that this puts middle america on the side of protecting all industral IP, including porn. It's like the drug laws - Individual dope dealers may not like the drug laws, but organized crime has figured out how to exploit the existing drug laws so well that they actually like them, and so supporting the existing situation puts 'the forces of goodness and niceness' on the same side as the Mob.

Re:Irony (3, Insightful)

cliffski (65094) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554921)

so how does someone writing a book do this then? "live readings" may not exactly be as profitable.
And how does this apply to people making software, movies or games?

With all other situations where people break the law, efforts are made to enforce it better. With copyright infringement, the call goes out to "change your broken business model". why?
All business models will fail if people are allowed to break the law. No shop can employ enough security to prevent everyone shoplifting at once. Show me a business model that is not dependent on the law being adhered to.

The games industry is adapting to mass piracy by abandoing the open platform that is the PC, in favour of online games and consoles. For the singleplayer RPG or flight sim fan, the way piracy has forced a 're-evaluation of the business model' is just to wipe out the entire industry. Not exactly the optimal solution for consumers.

Re:Irony (3, Insightful)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555063)

so how does someone writing a book do this then? "live readings" may not exactly be as profitable.
And how does this apply to people making software, movies or games?
Books are a false parallel since technology is not threatening their existing business model: print books are still much more popular than e-books an will remain that way for a very long time. I suppose you could argue that people are reading less due to alternative activities (such as TV and the slashdot), but in that case authors are just losing out because nobody wants their product. Besides, the greatest literature or the english language (Shakespeare) was produced at a time when plagiarism was common, accepted practice. Seemed to work well enough to keep him writing for his entire lifetime.

As for software, most people who write Linux get paid for their efforts. I am sure that whoever owns WoW does not really mind if people pirate their game since most of their revenue is from subscriptions to their servers. For things that people want, ways to get paid for producing them exist without needing to hobble technology.

I think that people in some facets of the entertainment industry are going to have to accept that nobody is willing to pay them for what they do any more and they need to find a better way of making a living. Movies are probably a good example of an entertainment medium on the way out the door: why pay to go to a Lord of the Rings movie when you can be the Lord of the Rings in an on-line world?

With all other situations where people break the law, efforts are made to enforce it better. With copyright infringement, the call goes out to "change your broken business model". why?
No, that is not true. If it were then alcohol would still be illegal in the US. People break the law to get it changed all the time. It is called civil disobedience. In the US it is the only way to challenge an unjust law in court. The call for the music industry to change their business model is not based on copyright infringement, it is based on the fact that media companies base their business model on content distribution methods that are obsolete. Rather than adapting to the new methods, they are trying to hobble the methods. If we as a society allow this kind of thing to happen, you would have laws protecting steam-engine manufactures from rouge internal combustion engines.

All business models will fail if people are allowed to break the law. No shop can employ enough security to prevent everyone shoplifting at once. Show me a business model that is not dependent on the law being adhered to.
mercenaries?

The games industry is adapting to mass piracy by abandoing the open platform that is the PC, in favour of online games and consoles. For the singleplayer RPG or flight sim fan, the way piracy has forced a 're-evaluation of the business model' is just to wipe out the entire industry. Not exactly the optimal solution for consumers.
BS. I can copy a console game easily. The game industry is moving to consoles because with dedicated hardware you can get performance on a $500 console that you need a $3,000 dollar computer to replicate.

Re:Irony (2, Interesting)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555221)

The games industry is adapting to mass piracy by abandoing the open platform that is the PC, in favour of online games and consoles. For the singleplayer RPG or flight sim fan, the way piracy has forced a 're-evaluation of the business model' is just to wipe out the entire industry. Not exactly the optimal solution for consumers.
BS. I can copy a console game easily. The game industry is moving to consoles because with dedicated hardware you can get performance on a $500 console that you need a $3,000 dollar computer to replicate.

The game makers avoid the PC because the profit margins are too low. Not because the consoles have better hardware. Or so my friends in that business tells me.

Piracy is surely keeping the prices down, but the fix is obvious: Move much of the content online. Games where big parts are served over the net are much, much harder to pirate in the big scale.

Re:Irony (3, Interesting)

cliffski (65094) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555955)

so all games become online games, all single player games become multiplayer. great.
kiss goodbye to flight sims
kiss goodbye to civilisation as a singleplayer game
kiss goodbye to RPGs.
cool now I can only ever enjoy video games playing against jackasses online. Somehow, I dont think this is a bright future, and we have the people who pirate games to thank for it. Cheers guys.

Re:Irony (0, Troll)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556773)

I think that the fact that these games are dying has more to do with the fact that not enough people want them than to piracy. You could develop a flight sim game that downloads maps pf the earth real-time-ish like google earth does. WoW or Second Life could easily develop single-player worlds served over their servers, so you have your single player RPGs and Sims like games; you could even take your MMPORG player on a single-world vacation or whatever. The reason they don't is that not very many people want this anymore.

I looked at your website, and I am not trying to be mean, but none of those games look particularly compelling. There are games in the Debian repos (ie, free and open source games) that cost nothing and look to be about the same quality, maybe with graphics that aren't as good. This is the market economy at work, not piracy. I feel for you, it has bitten me in the ass too, but that is the way western society works.

Re:Irony (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556921)

weird that a critique of my games is meant to serve as explanation for my point that you are unlikely to see a CIV 5.
And actually, my games sell quite well, despite the fact that you personally would dismiss them because of the screenshots. That's fine, but like it or not, games made by indies like me are all you will have to look forward to as single player games on the PC, as more and more big names (id, funcom...) depart the platform for good due to widespread illegal copying.
I'm not sure how you can tell a games quality just by looking at a screenshot anyway. Lets be honest, bejewlled, zuma, tetris and chess, all look pretty shit in screenshots. If I want to look at pretty things, I watch a star wars movie. I play games to interact and have fun.

Re:Irony (0, Troll)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | more than 7 years ago | (#18557003)

1. You missed my point. We will not see a CIV5 because not very many people want CIV5. The idea is played. It has nothing to do with piracy, IMHO.

2. I am not judging by how pretty the screen shots are. From the screenshots and the forum discussions, the look like high-graphic clones of a lot of games in debian reops (ie, prettier versions). If I were judging by the screenshots alone, your games would win.

Re:Irony (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 7 years ago | (#18558257)

I have never even seen debian, let alone cloned whatever freeware it ships with.

Re:Irony (1)

RobRyland (960596) | more than 7 years ago | (#18560161)

goodbye to flight sims in an online multiplayer world? how silly. The flight sim WarBirds was a massively multiplayer online game before it was an acronym! I was playing that a lot ~10 years ago. It really changed what a combat flight sim was about. It's one thing to shoot down a cheesy AI flown plane... gets old pretty quick. But in WarBirds you knew that when you shot down a plane, somewhere on the planet there was a real live person cursing and throwing his joystick across the room (smile). -Rob

Re:Irony (2, Insightful)

AutomaticCautionDoor (1069656) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555239)

why pay to go to a Lord of the Rings movie when you can be the Lord of the Rings in an on-line world?
Because humans have always liked being told stories. Spending day after day spearing bison on the plains doesn't mean we didn't like sitting to watch somebody draw pictures of it in the cave. Spending the afternoon playing make-believe with the other neighborhood kids doesn't mean we don't like sitting as Grandpa tells a ghost tale around the campfire. My girlfriend likes filling our lives with all sorts of over-the-top drama, but that doesn't mean she doesn't want to sit and watch "The Notebook" for the thousandth time.

Re:Irony (1)

jZnat (793348) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555493)

A service-based model has been shown to work very well for both games (e.g. World of Warcraft) and software (e.g. Red Hat Enterprise Linux, anything Google sells, etc.). I don't know how movies can adapt in a similar method, but that's not my problem. If anything, I'd suggest that the DVD for each movie be sold at the theatre after each showing for a decent price (e.g. $8 or so), and perhaps to stop making shitty movies as well. For music, CDs should be used a promotional items for bands' concerts and other performances. The big record labels could either just record and produce the CDs for the bands, or they could even be a marketing help for bands in order to get their promotional material (i.e. CDs and MP3s) out there to many people.

Oh yeah, and if these companies would stop wasting so much money on lawsuits against their customers and lobbying Congress for more draconian copyright laws, they might, just might, be able to remain insanely profitable.

Re:Irony (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556323)

I see, so it works for google and linux, so lets scrap the 99.9% of established businesses that aren't on your list?
When I buy adobe photoshop, i dont need support for it, and I dont need updates. You still think they should give it to me for free?
How exactly does that work, if the income is preuly from supprot, wheres my incentive to ship a bug free product?
Stop trying to dream up a rosy business model that lets people take everything for free, it's not vaguely sustainable, at least not with the huge effort and costs put into producing software/movies at the current standard.

Re:Irony (3, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555327)

Well, another reason is that porn is a damn saturated market with low production costs. I think I recall reading that porn DVDs were coming out at such a rate that you could run it 24/7/365 with no reruns and still only build a backlog. Pretty much no matter what your preference is, there are plenty to choose from.

Compare that to your movie habits, it's pretty few and far between big releases. Also they're not very good substitutes, you're not going to take Star Wars and claim it's exactly like Star Trek and it doesn't matter which one you see, whereas "Blonde teens #13" probably isn't too far from "Young and blonde #11".

So what's this mostly about? It's about differentiating themselves from their competitors, to give their customers something they're not getting from every porn producer with a video cam. Movies don't have that problem, it's not like there a dozen competing movies of Spiderman. Also, it doesn't lend itself well to being broadcast live and/or interactive. That's why I think the analogy is getting rather thin...

Re:Irony (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556201)

Compare that to your movie habits, it's pretty few and far between big releases. Also they're not very good substitutes, you're not going to take Star Wars and claim it's exactly like Star Trek and it doesn't matter which one you see, whereas "Blonde teens #13" probably isn't too far from "Young and blonde #11".
Yet, Hollywood's intense aversion to risk does tend to produce films that are quite similar, repetitive and derivative even, since their goal is to find a formula that works and milk it for all its worth. So, while Star Wars and Star Trek are substantially different movies to an aficionado of the genre, to the average guy on the street (or worse, the average girl on the street) it is quite easy to confuse the two. And to the hollywood execs at Paramount who green-lighted Star Trek the Motion Picture, the prior success of Star Wars was certainly a very large factor in their decision.

Re:Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18556665)

>...they are trying to evolve their business model so that it is profitable in the age of modern technology. This is what the rest of the movie/recording industry should be doing as well,...

If the music industry could have a random couple come in and cough up a top 40 song through 10 minutes of sex, yeah, you model would work.

-1, totally moronic.

Re:Irony (1)

stonecypher (118140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556033)

Parent message isn't a troll, you morons, it's a joke. And it's hilarious, if you'd quit being quite so hypersensitive.

What I wouldn't give for a mod point right now. Mod parent up.

Re:Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18557709)

It would have been funny if it was based on an accurate premise. Without any truth to it, the joke falls flat.

Summary: they stream live shows (5, Informative)

null-und-eins (162254) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554449)

Unless you are interested in the business story of a porn outlet, there is almost nothing in TFA about copyright. They move to live streams (although at higher resolution than most non-porn streams seem to offer), to make it more difficult and less interesting to copy content. Editors: Why was this omitted from the summary?

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (4, Insightful)

imroy (755) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554549)

They move to live streams (although at higher resolution than most non-porn streams seem to offer), to make it more difficult and less interesting to copy content.

Honestly, how would that help? Doesn't anyone know about downscaling? A lot of porn video clips still seem to be 320x240 (or at least less than 640x480) in either MPEG-1 or WMV. So all anyone has to do is capture the stream, downscale it to a more reasonable picture size, re-encode it and sell it on their site. You also don't need the massive amounts of bandwidth or storage that these guys need. Realistically, do you really need HD video to watch a woman getting screwed by three hung guys?

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (3, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554605)

They move to live streams (although at higher resolution than most non-porn streams seem to offer), to make it more difficult and less interesting to copy content.

Honestly, how would that help? Doesn't anyone know about downscaling? A lot of porn video clips still seem to be 320x240 (or at least less than 640x480) in either MPEG-1 or WMV. So all anyone has to do is capture the stream, downscale it to a more reasonable picture size, re-encode it and sell it on their site. You also don't need the massive amounts of bandwidth or storage that these guys need. Realistically, do you really need HD video to watch a woman getting screwed by three hung guys?

Those low res files you talk about are leaked by Porn industry themselves. :) Yes, they are that clever to use a technology (P2P) which was called evil by MPAA to suit their own promotion.

You would be surprised that porn industry are the first ones to use DVD technology in its full feature set like multiple angles.

Massive amounts of bandwidth? Once I had a friend working for a huge network vendor. He said their best customers are porn industry and funny that they could be counted as people "running the internet" after all those dotcom crashes.

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (3, Insightful)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554679)

According to TFA, they stream live shows at 1080i. I'm assuming they'll have some kind of interaction down the road, which would make a capture of the stream have less value. This is what people have been saying music artists should move to, i.e. selling concerts instead of recordings.

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (1)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554869)

Interaction? What, do you wave your mouse at the naughty bits?

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (2, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555485)

It's a solution for an edge case. I don't want a "live" performance of Lord of the Rings. I want the epic movies that took years of hard work to produce. If the pre-recorded film industry is wiped out by piracy and this lame "solution" is the replacement, I'm not going to be a happy camper.

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (0, Troll)

nanosquid (1074949) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555577)

I want the epic movies that took years of hard work to produce. If the pre-recorded film industry is wiped out by piracy and this lame "solution" is the replacement, I'm not going to be a happy camper.

Well, too bad for you. The "interactive version" of those epic movies is called "gaming", and I very much prefer it to the static, ready-made variety.

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (2, Interesting)

jamienk (62492) | more than 7 years ago | (#18557427)

>> I want the epic movies that took years of hard work to produce.

I want the same, except a version that is much harder to make, takes even more years, requires higher paid actors, more expensive/elaborate visual effects, has music composed and played by the most expensive possible musicians, plays only in theaters that allow you watch in a personalized jacuzzi with a team of fluffers keeping me interested, and who's bottom line production costs (not including marketing) is over $1bn USD.

As for music, I want music that costs WAY more to make than then standard billboard chart-toppers of today -- I want the artists to use custom-designed microphones that require years of R&D by the top engineers, I want pre-amps that costs millions to be used, I want a format that requires a special, proprietary player, I want the artists to be paid hundreds of millions of dollars just for signing the contract.

As for porn, what I want will require the slave-economy to be re-established in the US, and for a massive colonial war to be waged in order to set up the perfect international geo-political situation that would provide the legal, historical, and yes, moral space in which the films I desire to see would be possible.

But then, we can't always get what we want can we? The Lord of the Rings was possible because the legal, historical, economic, technological, and cultural facts on the ground were conducive to it's production. If things change, then it may become impossible for such an epic movie to be made again. But then again, the geniuses and moneyed people no longer conspire to write classical music, design and build massive tombs, create bejeweled swords, or memorize and chant epic histories of their peoples. Those things are now left to the museums.

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (1)

lhoriman (872340) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556427)

The shows are already interactive - members are in a chat room that is being read by a monitor who communicates feedback to the rigger. In the future we'll have many of the user comments read aloud by a text-to-speech system. Jeff (yes, the IT staff are avid /.ers)

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#18557947)

Live streaming 1080i? I know it's possible in the rest of the world where 10-100Mbps is common, but how would they get that to US customers still living in the stone age?

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (2, Funny)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554897)

Realistically, do you really need HD video to watch a woman getting screwed by three hung guys?

This is a question you really don't want to ask the slashdot community, trust me....

Re:Summary: they stream live shows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18556595)

Back in the day we downloaded episodes of the simpsons and family guy at 320x240 or even 160x120 with massively high compression ratios to get the size down. Looking back now at those videos, the quality was atrocious, but I was content with it at the time. Now I get Family Guy and every other show at several resolutions, around 600x350 at perfect DVD quality and it is a massive step up. Yes, 5 years ago I was happy with 320x240 super compressed porn, but now I wouldn't bother downloading anything below 640. Even have a couple HD clips (1280x720) and they are definitely the next step.

False flag is the solution (1)

RealityNews (1080601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554453)

Protecting the content it produces that's continually copied and reposted on the dozens of Web sites that traffic in poached adult material.
Slip in false videos containing clips of infamous "Mr. Hands" incident, and -dear god- hope that they will get a major turn-off!

Re:False flag is the solution (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555595)

but what if the veiwers are looking for mr. hands?

Re:False flag is the solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555739)

hope that they will get a major turn-off!
Let's hope it isn't the opposite! ;-)

it's a euphemism. (5, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554463)

Live performances and cutting-edge technology combine to ensure a steady stream of revenue

Oh, so that's what they're calling it these days.

Re:it's a euphemism. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554531)

Live performances and cutting-edge technology combine to ensure a steady stream of revenue

Oh, so that's what they're calling it these days.

It's called a money shot for a reason!

Anyone got any torrents? (-1)

caluml (551744) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554483)

Anyone got any torrents?

When you can't do it live use invisible watermarks (3, Interesting)

MaelstromX (739241) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554491)

Kink.com's solution is live shows.


That's one idea, and a good one. However not all porn can be live, it's simply not feasible for certain types. I would say the best way to prevent piracy and ensure that SOMEBODY finances the production of the stuff would be to slap it with invisible, personally identifying watermarks. If they are spotted on pictures and images found in the wild, so to speak, your subscription is cancelled and you don't get a refund.

Although that might make people want to give them all away the day before their subscription ends, so that part I'm not sure about yet. :)

Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554687)

While this can be a good way to keep piracy low, it should be fairly obvious that if your goal is making money then canceling your customers' subscriptions is not the way to go about it.

My impression is that porn sites tend to have a more realistic outloook on these incidents and look at it as free advertising rather than a loss of revenue.

Piracy is like the rain. Until somebody builds a magical weather machine, you'd better make sure your house has a sturdy roof and clean gutters instead of trying to call the police any time the skies look threatening.

Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554695)

depending on the type of porn some people may not wish to be named in a lawsuit and will settle out of court. Immoral RIAA style

Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma (1)

Socguy (933973) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554819)

Porn as a product is an interesting one. As a commodity, it's marketplace is almost unsaturateable. So the only real downside for a porn company having paying subscribers reposting material is the potential loss of an individual subscription. I say potential because there is no guarantee that they would have paid you in the first place, and like the other guy said, if they like what they see they might drop by and actually sign up ('probly not but a few will). But, by actually cancelling a subscription they ARE losing a paying customer. In a marketplace that can't be saturated, all you need to do is spit as much product out as possible because the market will always be there. Your customers will not pay for something they have previously viewed anyway, so your inventory is not really worth as much as one might imagine. In this light, there is absolutely no upside to cancelling a subscription, it can only cost money; either in tech investment, or employee time to actually remove the client.

Mathematically trivial to identify & corrupt (1)

The Master Control P (655590) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555299)

If you and a friend buy the same thing, you'll get a stream S mixed with watermarks X and Y (S+X, S+Y). XOR them together; Make zero anything in both files that's 1 in the XOR: The data is the same, and is zero when XORed with itself, whereas a watermark will be ~50% 1 and 50% 0. So, S+X + (random) AND (S+X XNOR S+Y) will destroy a mean of half the watermark bits in X's file.

Disclaimer: IANACryptologist.

Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma (1)

Kuciwalker (891651) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556687)

Rather than cancel their subscription, embed personally identifying information and/or their credit card # in the watermark. Then release a program that will scan the video and recover the information.

In order to reply (1)

had3z (1064548) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554511)

an give an insightful answer, i'll have to do a bit of.... reasearch on this one.
Gotta go now

Re:In order to reply (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554623)

If you want some real insight, then skip the hands on research on the internet and go for scientific experimentation instead. Don't try handling this alone, get you a well qualified research assistant and make sure all safety devices are used appropriately. Wouldn't want your research assistant sueing you over accidental exposure to the results of the experiment. If you and the research assistant work really well together and especially if they contribute as much or more then you do, you might should consider a research partnership. If things don't work out so well you can always seek more info and/or other assistants. Performing a good in depth experiment and making sure to cover all points of interest with it can lead to some climatic results, good luck with your probing of this question.

Impossible to stop Empornium.us from porn fanatics (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554611)

Thousands of 'pirates' trade quality porn of videos, photo sets (penthouse, playboy, etc) and ENTRIRE rips of complete porn web sites.

Everything is or has been on http://www.empornium.us/ [empornium.us]

And the admins reap in over 5 thousand bucks a month, through semi-anonymous methods, by charging each member only 5 bucks each to get access.

You have to beg or be invited in over IRC or other methods.

There is nothing on the planet like it.

The sheer amount of porn links to private usage-tracked torrents is astounding.

The admins laugh all the way to the bank.

The reason? its difficult to leech and its account based.

For every 100 gigabytes you download you are expected to host the same 100 gigabytes back.

Many users on www.Empornium.us haves terabytes of porn files they got from the trackers run by sazaraski and his american buddies.

Yup, its the last and only AMERICAN soil tracker with bank accounts in the usa (you have to pay 5 dollars minimum to join or get hassled). PayPal dropped them, and they only give out their PO box to trusted traders after an MPAA close call or two, though i guess i could post it.

The motto for www.Empornium.us seems to be "so long as MOST of what we trade is porno, playboy or Hustler products, maybe the MPAA will leave us alone" and because the MPAA film trackers they run are not tied to the main porn trackers.

suprnova was a mere fart compared to the 80,000 plus ACTIVE movie traders on www.empornium.us

Anyway. so long as mpaa never gets into it, and they can keep collecting their couple thousand bucks per month (never more than 5,000 per month collected at best) to pay electric bills and web maintenance costs, www.Empornium.us will always be the biggest trader torrent site on the planet. And its in the USA of all places.

4 years going strong. It will probably last forever.

The reason? Porn actually profits from exposure. In fact I spent 400 bucks on items I learned about on empornium.

And the guys running it will probably never get rich at only 5 thousand bucks a month total intake.

Re:Impossible to stop Empornium.us from porn fanat (1)

name*censored* (884880) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554911)

O....k, I agree with most of what you're saying, but what is this bit about $5 account? I've done a little research of my own (ahem), and I don't see a difference at all between the motivation for someone to get a paid slashdot account (a little money to make the ads go bysies) and for someone to get a paid empornium account (a little money to make the dirty pictures that I want to see in a non-ad format go bysies). If you've lived in a western culture and have more than half a brain (which I'm guessing is most of the people here) then you'll learn to just screen 99% of ads out (the only ones that seem to have any effect are the ones with catchy jingles). Hell, I've had a gmail account for about a year and a half or so now, and I only noticed the ads about 3 months ago..

Check it out, Empornium.us is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555903)

Dude Empornium blows chunks, I think you should find some other sites. Check it out! Viva la revolucion!

Re:Impossible to stop Empornium.us from porn fanat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18556199)

O....k, I agree with most of what you're saying, but what is this bit about $5 account? I've done a little research of my own (ahem), and I don't see a difference at all between the motivation for someone to get a paid slashdot account (a little money to make the ads go bysies) and for someone to get a paid empornium account (a little money to make the dirty pictures that I want to see in a non-ad format go bysies)

Ugh! The difference is Empornium is charging money for pirated content, while Slashdot is not.

Re:Impossible to stop Empornium.us from porn fanat (1)

Datawatch99 (708768) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556813)

For a time, Empornium was asking for a donation, and in return you got access to a better search engine, there was no requirement that you give them 5 bucks to download anything. They dropped the donation thing almost a year ago, and had to close the forums down because of all the pissed off freeloaders trolling. The torrent side never closed, but the trolling fanboys ran off a lot of old members and the torrent upload quantity dropped for a while, but the forums have been back open since christmas, and the number of torrents uploaded is getting back to its old level. Its obvious that there are the trolling fanboys here (note the 'check it out' line above) slamming Empornium for asking for a donation, yet almost every other pirate site also asks for donations. Weird. Also, the idiot saying the admins are getting X amount of dollars a month? How does he know, does he have access to their bank accounts? I seriousl doubt it.

I find it curious... (4, Insightful)

ralf1 (718128) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554705)

That the last 3 articles I have read on Slashdot about porn industry technology challenges and advances have all referenced kink.com. As many porn sites as there are, this seems like an odd coincidence. Sounds like a subtle advertising campaign to me.

Not that suprising (2, Funny)

hellfire (86129) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555531)

Actually, I think it just reflects the tastes of the average slashdotter... we tend to be more discerning and have more sophisticated interests.

Re:Not that suprising (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555619)

Somehow it makes sense that S&M would be considered "more sophisticated" than regular porn. I have no idea how that works, but it has a ring of truth about it. And now I have a horrible set of mental images involving men with waxed moustaches and PVC smoking jackets. "I say!"

How did THIS make it to the front page? (0, Troll)

Panaqqa (927615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18554743)

Seriously. Anyone with mod points out there get ready to use them - there's going to be a lot of clicks on "Troll" needed.

Relevance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18554797)

A C|Net article discusses the technological innovations being used by the porn industry to ensure they stay relevant

I can assure them that they need not change anything to remain relevant in my life.

the piracy of emotionally distraut actors (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555125)

yeah. thats all great.

what about the piracy that porn producers use against the actors?

OSHA is nowhere to be found, nor are the standard film industry union reps, the AFL-CIO, etc.

contracts are broken and mishandled, lies are standard.

a lot of this is because of the mafia involvement, if not in the present, then in the past and the 'standard practices' have continued.

absolutely ridiculous to focus on the 'tech side' like you are doing. absolutely dumb.

really interesting tech story would be if a porn actor used the internet to try to expose the shady deals and shady characters in the business,
like luke ford does.

there was a site called xxxexpose.com that used to try to do this although it is long gone

Re:the piracy of emotionally distraut actors (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555453)

"absolutely ridiculous to focus on the 'tech side' like you are doing. absolutely dumb."

Slashdhot is about tech. Try Jerry Springer.

"what about the piracy that porn producers use against the actors?"

What about you support your assertions?

"Emotionally distraut" eH? This sounds more like Fundie anti-porn industry propaganda.

sage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555659)

GB2 utah

Mod article -1 Redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555415)

Any porn article that does not explicitly mention http://www.cheggit.net/ [cheggit.net] is redundant :p

one solution... (0)

rasputin465 (1032646) | more than 7 years ago | (#18555519)

What about open-source porn? What!? Oh... I guess if that were the case, all you'd see would be nerdy couples doing it in front of their computer.

Re:one solution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18557697)

Open-source porn (NSFW) [wikimedia.org]

tactics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18555527)

well theres only one tactic described in the article, which is going live with interaction from the audience.

Broken search (2, Informative)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18556871)

The main fight a few years ago was burying free content in the endless link maze of search pages. They paid each other for the traffic so in the search lottery, The less you paid to get people to your sight and the more you set along the better you did. Having any real content to keep people at your site was just a waste of bandwidth, so there was seldom any content. The gravy was if you got anybody into your paid site. You could spend all night going from link to link to link to link and not finding any free content.

The old tech was to wear you out until you settled on a pay site.

Other than the lawsuit campaign buy the RIAA it's the same thing Media Sentry does seeding P-P sites with dead content to the point where finding free content is a waste of time. They hope you give up and just use a pay site because that is where the content is located. A bunch of sited trying to make a buck on links or content is trying to find out how to compete against free and pirated content which keeps growing anyway.

Notice how in spite of the death of the old Naptser, that new music content keeps poping up that isn't pirated? Free content that isn't illegal is nice. Keep it up.

Any new tech for pay content, I would'n know about.. Haven't been there if it involves any DRM.

Virtual Models (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18557589)

When anyone can make scriptable interactive realistic 3D models, the whole things going down in flames.

The good news is, asstr.org will become something of a vast voluntary porn production theatre troupe.

Porn & Crime-fighting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18557619)

What I would like is a good system in place to ensure the businesses are on the up-and-up. There's a good bit of internet porn that uses trafficked women--modern-day-slavery. I'd like to see an initiative--maybe even from leading industry partners--to certify that porn businesses for, effectively, being legitimate.

There are big legitimate players in this business. And there are small legitimate players. But then there are a lot of slave-owners. We need a good way to fight that, and to make human trafficking less profitable. Legitimate pornographers (Don't laugh--even if you find illegitimacy in their profession, there's a distinction between a pornographer and a slave manager, and the latter is worse) could do some good work there.

Usual Double-standards by the media industry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18560437)

Mark Ishikawa from BayTSP (the company who keeps hacking into your PC) beats the "What about the children?" drum when he promotes his Anti-bittorrent company, has contracts to protect the work of pornographers like Suze Randall.
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