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Research Reveals Mislaid Microprocessor Megahertz

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the are-we-there-yet dept.

Hardware 99

SlashRating©
6*10^23
slashdottit! tm
ransom1982 noted a new article on The Register that says "Not only are chip companies regularly releasing ever-faster microprocessors, but new research has revealed that modern CPUs actually lose megahertz over time." This makes it even more complicated to compare the performance of Intel and AMD CPUs since you have differing architecture, clockspeeds AND the year of manufacture to consider. Buyer beware!

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The sad thing is... (4, Funny)

Khaed (544779) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567395)

This one wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be true, because sometimes I certainly feel like my processor is degrading...

To ease your concerns... (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567437)

Just look at the references to Einstein's work on relativity as an explanation (!?!).

Re:The sad thing is... (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567483)

You computer guys are all alike. No balls. We car guys don't whine about our wheels going slower, we just get out the drill and polish and start working. The trick is to take weight off the vehicle by drilling out any unnecessary metal. That's called "adding lightness".

Even geeky guys can do this. And you don't need a real drill, just a dremel tool. Just start drilling holes in those IC's, you soon see the flames roar out! Smoke! Speed!

Works like a charm. Even works for Windows.

Re:The sad thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567651)

There are so many steps involved in tweaking the last uumph out of your linux system- and it really is a work of art to pull it off- I have used many different kernels and all sorts of optimization combinations.

I use Gentoo because I'm a speed freak - I can't stand the thought that some of my packages might not be running as fast as they could be.

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568033)

And OTOH some of us have a life.

Re:The sad thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18569537)

Gentoo is for ricers.

Re:The sad thing is... (2, Funny)

hahiss (696716) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567653)

I just added pin-stripes and a big-ass wing instead. . . .

Oh, and speed holes. Lots and lots of speed holes.

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

DaGoatSpanka (839005) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567815)

Don't forget you have to add a big Dell sticker (or your computer brand) on your computer to increase speed. It works for the ricers when they put a big Honda sticker on their windshield or an Injen sticker on their window. I'll probably give you an extra 100MHz!

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 7 years ago | (#18569939)

Dell isn't 31337 enough to get extra MHz, you'd have to slap at least an Alienware badge on.

Also, computers with both "Intel Core 2 Duo Inside" and "Powered By Athlon64" can get up to a 150MHz boost. For best results, use with a 32 bit Athlon or Pentium; Just don't do it with a Celeron, only posers do shit like that.

Hey it works! (4, Funny)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567875)

I thought parent was posting bullshit, but though what the heck let's try this.... except I didn't want to screw up hardware so I thought I'd take a stab at lightening Windows. I went into the Windows directory and truncated a few DLLs to make them lighter.

Well who would have expected it... Windows BSODs much faster than it used to!

Re:Hey it works! (1)

Serengeti (48438) | more than 7 years ago | (#18573359)

I didn't think I'd like using "BSOD" as a verb... consider me pleasantly surprised :)

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

hyperfusion (858705) | more than 7 years ago | (#18570167)

Works like a charm. Even works for Windows.
I didn't drill anything on my Windows box, but this has already been happening for years!

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

conlaw (983784) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567497)

it looks like we all need to wear our tin hats while computing. Those leaking megahertz may be scrambling our brains.

Re:The sad thing is... (3, Funny)

Sigma 7 (266129) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567621)

This one wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be true, because sometimes I certainly feel like my processor is degrading...


It is true. Processors don't live forever, and will eventually die from entropy - hence some retailers and manufacturer's selling extended warranties to cover the period between 1-3 years where it's not likely to have noticable problems.

The rate at which Mhzs are lost does vary - if you run DOS, you can be sure that MHzs would be working at optimum capacity as there's isn't more than 1 task wearing away the ability of the processor.

When the processor malfunctions or finally dies, that means it's lost too many MHzs to contine operating. It may simply stop working, develop the Pentium division bug (or some other interesting event), or some other symptom. Some people compensated by overclocking the chip to recover these MHz - but removing the heat sink caused these MHz to spew out so rapidly that it blew a hole in the mainboard [google.com] .

Re:The sad thing is... (4, Funny)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567655)

Yeah, they just don't build 'em like they used to. I remember when I got my first Pentium system back in the late 1990s, the cache pipeline burst and I spent that whole evening picking bits out of the carpet.

=Smidge=

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

noamsml (868075) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567779)

Maybe you should try cleaning your fan.

Re:The sad thing is... (2, Funny)

Khaed (544779) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567805)

(AOLer) I don't know what my ceiling fan has to do with it, but okay... (/AOLer)

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

wannasleep (668379) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568005)

While this is clearly a joke, the problem is real. There are plenty of reliability effects like electromigration [wikipedia.org] andNBTI [wikipedia.org] that depend upon device aging. These issues wouldn't manifest as in the TFA (although it is conceivable that the clock signal could degrade too), but as overall performance degradation.

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

rhyder128k (1051042) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568229)

Basically, the technology press should review a CPU by taking it's throughput under typical conditions and comparing that with the price. This is in contrast to the reviews of the early P4s which basically said: "slightly slower than the AMD and much more expensive - looks like Intel has another winner on its hands with this great product!"

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

donglekey (124433) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568931)

If you re-install windows or Linux, your processor will speed up again. Probably because of electricity buildup that gets flushed out. Just make sure you change your electron filtration system every 100 trillion cycles.

Is this another April fool's story? (4, Funny)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567403)

I'm too dumb to figure out if this is an April fools joke or not.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (2, Funny)

metlin (258108) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567419)

Well, who cares.

I think we should celebrate - this is the only way we'd see the word laid in any on the front page of Slashdot.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (2, Funny)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567531)

"Research Reveals Mislaid Microprocessor Megahertz"

For a brief second there, I thought MIT introduced their first prototype for the Fembot Miss Universe competition in 2010.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567423)

Intel was unavailable for comment. AMD, however, claimed to be well aware of the problem and to be already designing processors capable of working beyond the limits of Einsteinian mathematics - with a negative temporal displacement facility built in.
I'd say that it's probably a joke. This seems a little goofy to me. IANAE or anyone else important, though.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

solafide (845228) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567427)

Reading the article, the explanation offered makes it obvious that it's an April Fools' joke. "it's like the megahertz are just leaking away" - what kind of scientist would say that? However, this would actually be an interesting study and it could be that this is true, but not for the reason offered here.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567505)

Yeah. Me too. But the way I see it, it's actually funny, so there's no way this could be an April fool.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (2, Informative)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567611)

I'm too dumb to figure out if this is an April fools joke or not.

Let me update you. In simplistic terms on each clock cycle, the CPU performes an operation. Using just that metric, it would not be the chip that changed. If the clock slowed down, so would the chip. Now lets get just a little more complicated.. On each clock cycle, the chip requests information and sends requests, computes results, stores results etc. Sometimes the chip has to wait for several clock cycles such as requesting data from memory or the hard drive. An old Pentium III chip at one Ghz clock for example would typicaly have used PC-100 memory. From the time the CPU requested a memory fetch, at least 10 clock cycles may have passed before the data is delivered. Due to the time the memory takes to set up the address, fetch the result, present the result and tell the CPU the data is here and valid, many more clock cycles may have passed. If the transistors have gotten weak, it may take an additional couple clock cycles for the rise time before the CPU accepts the data as valid. This is an age realated slowdown.

Another age related slowdown is built into some chips. (Feature, not flaw) The speed setp technology would be like having a car that when the radiator became plugged, it would auto reduce power on a long steep hill to keep the temprature below boiling. It's better to go up the hill slow and not boil over than stay at full speed and blow a headgasket due to warped heads.

As the heatsink compound dries out and the face of the heatsink developes an insulating layer of oxide, under intense computing, some chips slow down to prevent destruction by overheating. Cleaning and replacing the heatsink grease (maybe replacing a fan with worn bearings) will restore new operation.

The article appears to be an April Fools prank, but there are valid reasons systems slow down. Most are related to it takes longer to complete any task because all the Windows tasks keep stacking up so there is just so much more to do. Have you looked at the number of patches and hotfixes out for XP these days. This is in addition to any rootkits, (SONY & Others) toys (Weatherbug, google toolbar, internet radio) or other things the user may have added which run constantly using up clock cycles. You think automatic updates doesn't require CPU time?

Let's face it, your CPU is very busy even before you log in and request it to do something else in it's busy schedule. Most times your CPU gets more done in a day before you log in than you get done all day.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567711)

So there is some truth to the story. I sorta thought that there might be, and some others musing here did also.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

tuxicle (996538) | more than 7 years ago | (#18570849)

More than drying heatsink grease, I would think dust accumulation on the heatsinks makes more of a difference. I've seen this happen on a laptop of mine, once I cleaned out the dust, temps dropped and I'm guessing SpeedStep wouldn't have worked against me.

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

gangien (151940) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567681)

considering the rating of 6*10^23 which i think is close to that chemistry number of molecules that make up a mole or something stupid like that. I forget :P, although i thought the common approximation was 6.22*10^23

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

scottv67 (731709) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567865)

although i thought the common approximation was 6.22*10^23

You were verrrrry close:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(unit) [wikipedia.org]

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (2, Funny)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567969)

I'm still amazed they can count the number of molecules in a mole. Does it throw the count off if the moles poop halfway through?

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | more than 7 years ago | (#18569767)

D00dd itz 4 rl, Im stealin ur megahurtz [photobucket.com] .

Re:Is this another April fool's story? (1)

EricJ2190 (1016652) | more than 7 years ago | (#18570309)

At least you are honest. Thumbs up for that.

And In Other News (-1, Troll)

coyote4til7 (189857) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567405)

And in other news readers notice that (once again) every Slashdot posting on 4/1 is an April Fool's joke. Since April Fool's jokes arn't funny when you see them coming, no one is fooled. Commander Taco continues to laugh.

Re:And In Other News (1)

Pyrrhic Diarrhea (1061530) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567429)

Does a pink pony degrade over time, or does it just become less and less funny?

Re:And In Other News (1)

Sigma 7 (266129) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567503)

Does a pink pony degrade over time, or does it just become less and less funny?


Pink ponies have a specific lifespan, which can be abruptly shortened by overworking them. The solution, as discovered by ancient greeks when they realized that slaves were dying from the extremely poor conditions of the mines, is to get as much productivity as you can in the resulting short lifespan.

You might need to bring along much more pink ponies as well.

Re:And In Other News (1)

Iron Condor (964856) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568413)

Old jokes never die

They just ... get old ...

Re:And In Other News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567537)

Commander Taco should ban your nerd ass. Why don't you just shut the fuck up and come back tommorow? Instead of posting the same bullshit over and over again. Nobody cares if you don't think April 1st jokes are funny, and there's certainly no need to post it in thread after thread.


http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228925&cid=1 8567385
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228959&cid=1 8567361
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228981&cid=1 8567345
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228989&cid=1 8567355
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228991&cid=1 8567329
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228997&cid=1 8567313
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228999&cid=1 8567405

Re:And In Other News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567557)

Don't bitch about somebody bitching.

(Oh, am I being a bitch?)

Re:And In Other News (0, Troll)

coyote4til7 (189857) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567813)

Like OMG! I'm beating a dead pink pony all day. I'm like so Commander Taco!

Re:And In Other News (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568259)

Except this is his site, so we like him.

Older Equipment = more problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567425)

I have an ATT 3B2 that has a bit of a problem maintaining its system clock. It keeps defaulting to 1970.

What I have noticed is that since the machine thinks that it has been around that long, the MHZ drops down to almost nothing - This has a bonus of making this machine have an uptime of around 38 years!

Slashdottit (3, Insightful)

Kryptonian Jor-El (970056) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567431)

Ever notice how the slashdottit number is 1 mole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(unit) [wikipedia.org] ? 6 * 10^23 thats great

Re:Slashdottit (1)

Kent Simon (760127) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567443)

its Avogadro's Number 6.0221415 × 1023

Re:Slashdottit (1)

Kent Simon (760127) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567467)

forgot the ^, 6.0221415 × 10^23

Re:Slashdottit (1)

frostband (970712) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567453)

uhh...yeah

...hilarious...

Re:Slashdottit (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 7 years ago | (#18569043)

Well, the mole-poop joke was pretty funny. Somebody has to be the straight man.

Re:Slashdottit (1)

Fizzle4224 (1073764) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567477)

Now we just need 3.14159265358679323846....

Re:Slashdottit (1)

246o1 (914193) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567517)

I couldn't help but notice that you've mistyped the number. I think you meant 3.1415926535897932384626433 . . . . .

you typed 6 when you meant nine, and you aren't jimi hendrix

Re:Slashdottit (1)

kayditty (641006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18571133)

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't finish the number. I think you meant 3.141592653589793238462643383279...

Re:Slashdottit (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567677)

I'll believe that this is "news for nerds" when the Slashdottit rating is "i".

No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567703)

> Ever notice how the slashdottit number is 1 mole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(unit) [wikipedia.org] ? 6 * 10^23 thats great

I guess that makes you the biggest nerd around here.

Re:No. (1)

Kryptonian Jor-El (970056) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567843)

Then i guess its good i pointed it out for you. Excuse the hell out of me for getting a chuckle out of that.

mod me up! (0, Offtopic)

LionOfMacedon (947932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567433)

mods , mode me insightful ?

El Reg at the weekend? (4, Funny)

jd3nn1s (613014) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567461)

To me the giveaway was El Reg posting new articles at the weekend :)

Free karma (0, Redundant)

j_sp_r (656354) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567489)

Ah please, give me some karma... Nice mods ;-)

HAHAHA (0, Offtopic)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567501)

Whoo! Man I just can't get enough of these April Fools jokes! I'm just holding my sides here. No. Really. Honest.

I love how Slashdot is entirely useless for a whole day. JESUS BUT THIS IS FUNNY.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please, no matter what you do - please don't stop. I can't get enough. There's nothing like having Fark be more useful than Slashdot. Holy crap but I'm in stitches here. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, really. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Re:HAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567571)

I love how Slashdot is entirely useless for a whole day.


This marks the 3500-th day Slashdot's been entirely useless for a whole day.

Re:HAHAHA (2, Funny)

linvir (970218) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567717)

Nerd sarcasm, a formidable species of non-humour, but it only unleashes the full extent of its pathetic failure when the user accidentally makes a dick of himself by revealing laughable misconceptions through implication. In this case, we can see that this particular subject has somehow convinced himself both that Slashdot is intended to be "useful" and my mom got scared and said "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air". I whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "FRESH" and it had dice in the mirror.

If anything I could say that this cab was rare but I thought "Nah, forget it". "Yo homes, to Bel Air!". I pulled up to a house about seven or eight, and I yelled to the cabbie "Yo homes, smell ya' later!". I looked at my kingdom, I was finally there, to sit on my throne as the prince of Bel Air.

Re:HAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18568309)

gtfo gaiafag

Re:HAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18568445)

gtfo 4chan. GB2 /b/

Re:HAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18568961)

Get out of 4chan... but get back into /b/?

PIME TARADOX

this is humor:? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567507)

har har another made up story on /. on 4/1 ... wow it's so lame it's just fukin hilarious /. is completely fukin useless on 4/1

And so begins my first annual boycott of /. on 4/1

RE: people's "eight year old gay boys"-like obsession with ponies...attention: the pony has long been beaten to death.

OMG!!! Ponies!!! (3, Interesting)

nbritton (823086) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567551)

1. Download: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/217 5 [mozilla.org]
2. Tools > Add-ons > Slashdotter > Options.
3. Click on styles tab, than change 'Default style'.
4. ???
5. OMG!!! Ponies!!!

So if your lose megahertz's wouldn't that screw up the RTC calculations?

Re:OMG!!! Ponies!!! (1)

Ctrl-Z (28806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567987)

Oh yea! Thanks!

Re:OMG!!! Ponies!!! (1)

visualight (468005) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568889)

The ponies are really really tired now. Please let them rest.

I prefer "MegaCycles" instead of MegaHertz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567567)

I know the whole Kibibits, Mebibytes thing must have started off many many years ago as a Slashdot April 1st story which then grew into a life of its own, but why don't people use "MegaCycles" anymore...it's a good term... you can make bicycle puns with it and it doesn't have that annoying German Heinrich Rudolf Hertz and his heirs to contend with.

Now it is my turn (5, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567579)

I should be modded insightful for no reason.

Re:Now it is my turn (5, Interesting)

uchihalush (898615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567921)

What about me?

How about Interesting?

Re:Now it is my turn (0, Troll)

synjck (1069512) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568123)

i think i should be modded funny

I saw this (1)

ReidMaynard (161608) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567597)

I saw this years ago (1990-4?) happen on early SPARC processors. I think I remember 2 or 3 Sparcstations (1,1+, 2's) out of 40 or so we had, suddenly getting pokey. And in about a week or two becoming unusable. This would have been 20-50 Mhz CPUs droping to 5-10 Mhz (or effectivly feeling like that) - I remember them being replaced by SUN for free...Not thats this has any bearing on this story....

Re:I saw this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567675)

Not thats this has any bearing on this story....
Possibly. How much grease did you pack into those SPARC cpu fans? A good rule of thumb is to measure out a handful of axle grease per beowulf cluster.

Re:I saw this - Laptops (1)

Cassini2 (956052) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568155)

I have seen this effect three different ways, in real life:

1. The new laptops and even some desktops have heat pipes. If the heat pipes loose coolant, or become unbonded, then the processor automatically throttles back to avoid overheating. The result is that processors "slow down" or loose MHz.

2. On some older designs, the crystals have been known to go, and the computers really do loose MHz.

3. The "Anti-Virus" effect. Some antivirus packages are extremely slow. They use lots of CPU power. After each generation, the antivirus software gets sequentially slower, and the result is the PC really does slow down. If you remove the anti-virus software (not recommended), the PC gets immediately quicker.

6*10^23??? (1)

Murdoc (210079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567601)

There's no way this story is more interesting than Julianne Moore!

;)

Skin too silky smooth for 6*10^23 (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567657)

Jullianne doesn't have single mole on her beautiful body.

Re:6*10^23??? (1)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567667)

There's no way this story is more interesting than Julianne Moore!

It is when you mistake grams for moles and wonder why your reaction produces mass in excess of that of the Andromeda Galaxy.

LOL -- I totally fell for that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567603)

Oh, that made my Sunday much funnier. I was all thinking hard about the significance of reduced clock speed implying a reduction in quartz crystal frequency, and what sort of component degradation could lead to oscillator problems, and so on and so forth. That went on for about three minutes before I got it.

I hate april fool (1)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567649)

on science !

Taco (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567751)

I'm glad to see that you still don't get April Fools day. Maybe next year you'll understand and just post one or two fake stories. I might even crack a smile then.

I think this was my shortest daily visit to Slashdot.

Re:Taco (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18569969)

I'm glad to see that you still don't get April Fools day. Maybe next year you'll understand and just post one or two fake stories. I might even crack a smile then.

I think this was my shortest daily visit to Slashdot.
Well, thank god you were here long enough to complain about it. That was a close one.

Depends on the frame of reference... (1)

id3as (1067224) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567789)

Processors are getting fast, so, it looks like the processors which do not, relatively are getting slower over the time.

Re:Depends on the frame of reference... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18567877)

The fake study was saying that they essentially measured a group of PCs at one point in time, left them on, came back later, and the _same_ PCs were now slower. Not relatively slower, but actually slower.

But you seemed to miss the point that this was a fake article. The ending gave it away (Essentially said the chips time travel).

Re:Depends on the frame of reference... (1, Insightful)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567941)

Every time there is a MS Windows upgrade, processors get slower.

Eureka! (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567871)

This explains why my C=1541 drive is so damned slow.

Slashdot is fooling Google (1)

little4ce (1071126) | more than 7 years ago | (#18567993)

I have Google to show the main news, etc and the Slashdot story was linked there, so good job with the jokes...

microsoft next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18568059)

now the only thing we miss is saying office, or the whole windows vista is opensource. -.- ...

can you do this today at 23:59, so the ones reading it tomorrow won't think of a april joke? :)

Re:microsoft next? (1)

arktemplar (1060050) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568451)

I dunno man, you see unless you have bought yourself that tinfoil hat that natalie portman was selling during pony rides, you for one will have to watch soviet russian overlords welcoming you, without any opensource M$ products. please ??? funny ???

Keep Using It and It May Speed Up Again (1)

6800 (643075) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568165)

This 'slowing' of cpu's with ageing in years must be the culprit! But hang on, it seems this trend may reverse and some may be enjoying a free clock crank from day one!

Introduction to Quartz Frequency Standards - Aging http://www.oscilent.com/esupport/TechSupport/Revie wPapers/IntroQuartz/vigaging.htm [oscilent.com] "Aging can be positive or negative [17]. Occasionally, a reversal in aging direction is observed."

What the joke is getting at (1)

danwat1234 (942579) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568557)

As we all know part of the reason why we want a new machine every few years (or sooner) is obviously because we see our friends with newer machines and we desire to have something better... Furthermore it is apparent that software tends to get more complex from newer versions of a given piece of software. Today's desktops and laptops are getting so quick, that well, there really isn't any delay with loading any sort of basic business software, especially if you have a fast storage system for your computer (FLASH hard drive anyone?). So, then the improvements of getting quicker and quicker computers kind of diminish, because, who needs 16 cores to load OpenOffice 2.2? I know that I would run seti@home on it, but still, I think computer hardware is really coming ahead of the increased complexities of software. Of course video editing, and running compression algorithms and other intensive tasks will obviously be noticeably faster with a new 8-core system, even if the software doesn't take advantage of multiple processors, because each core will be faster. Bottom line is that we will always find a reason of how and/or why we can take advantage of increased processing power, even if the return is diminishing more and more, by having web pages load .1 seconds faster than before..., or having Openoffice 2.2 load .5 seconds faster, from a load time of 1.5 seconds... In the year 2015, do you think the average consumer would even think about buying a new PC!? -- provided they have a system built in 2012?

Obligatory Joke (2, Funny)

Tesla Tank (755530) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568695)

What happens if Chuck Norris punches you?

Megahertz!

Why a research? (1)

Dunge (922521) | more than 7 years ago | (#18568807)

This is a well known fact, no research needed. Everyone know as example Core2Duo have less clock speed but better performance..

april 1 again? Eistenian math huh? come on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18569517)

Intel was unavailable for comment. AMD, however, claimed to be well aware of the problem and to be already designing processors capable of working beyond the limits of Einsteinian mathematics - with a negative temporal displacement facility built in.

Come on I really want 1 april to end so you stop all the crap. Come on einstenian math or WTF? Btw I would not surprise if the quartz in the clock oscillates at a lower rate as time passes. But that is another thing.

True for Awful Micro Designs CPUs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18569745)

because they totally suck. That is why geniuses buy Intel and fucktards buy AMD.

there is a cure... (1)

dzinerman (1082961) | more than 7 years ago | (#18569899)

but no one wants you to know about it. Some guys at Ars dipped a mobo in that Tahitian Noni Fruity Juice stuff, and it totally cured the problem. it even increased the mhz 20-30, and thats no lie. Run your system in a bath of that Noni stuff, and Windows won't even crash. I swear.

It's a conversion problem (1)

DynaSoar (714234) | more than 7 years ago | (#18570257)

They're testing US made CPUs in the EU. They're measuring in metric seconds, while the CPUs were designed to run on English seconds. The difference is very slight, but it accumulates. This is why we have to adjust for it periodically, by having a leap second. You'll notice these leap seconds are announced in the US by the Naval Observatory, and not at Europe's equivalent, the Greenwich observatory, which runs on the more constant metric time and serves as the background against which we measure the drift*. Hence the GMT in time stamp: Greenwich Metric Time. Since it stays constant, whereas the English time drifts, it is also sometimes considered to be an average of time, so is also called Greenwich Mean Time.

* Just a technical term. The time doesn't actually speed up and slow down. It just has different numbers of microseconds in a second, and that number varies, just like the number of days in a month.

Re:It's a conversion problem (1)

cbacba (944071) | more than 7 years ago | (#18572135)

cute april 1 gunk - but sorry the metric second was never instigated. Probably had to do with dividing the day up to 10 hours of daylight, 10 hours of night and a 10 day work week. Also, the metric angle stuff didn't make the cut either - converting those 90 degree right angles into 100 degree right angles just didn't win over much support for some reason. IMO, it was the 10 day week that gutted the whole time thing.

This is written on apr 2.

Re:It's a conversion problem (1)

DynaSoar (714234) | more than 7 years ago | (#18577991)

You're talking about decimal time as proposed by Poincaire. Although the entire system was not adopted, we do use decimal days See the Near Earth Object Impact Hazards Table for instance: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/ [nasa.gov] Look at any of the objects' data and observe the date/time stamp used. Time as date point xx more compact than date/hour/minute/second

The "metric angle stuff", most commonly known as gradians (400 per circle, 100 per right angle) is commonly used in surveying. Theodolites have 100 divisions per right angle. They call them "gons". They are the primary reason that trig capable calculators still have DRG (degree/radian/grad) conversion buttons.

I was being humorous. You were being pedantic and wrong, no matter what day it was.

Re:It's a conversion problem (1)

cbacba (944071) | more than 7 years ago | (#18580779)

You are referring to Julian dates, in some form or another as there's half a dozen varieties. These are astronomy related and are not part of the crud attempted at the beginnings of the metric system. And yes they are more condensed than typical date time indicators although I prefer my days to end at midnight, not at lunch time.

Nothing like a calculator getting screwed up while under time pressure. As pointed out, the change of degrees from 360 to 400 was not something that happened in a wide spread fashion. Having 360 degrees works out rather nicely considering there's essentially 360 days in a year (for round numbers). That makes it right at 1 degree per day shift in the sun's position. 360 is accurate enough even for typical business applications and estimates.

The ancients understood the seasons slowly shifted with the year. Rather than going with a 13 month calendar we moderns seem to be obsessed with earth's orbital period for use in calendars which leads to all sorts of kludges, leap years, leap seconds etc. and that will not prevent the shifting of the seasons on the long term anyway. Precession will eventually screw things up anyway.

Too bad you didn't find my comments amusing and informative and correct in the context they were presented. The date was provided in case anyone found the notion incredible and assumed it might intended be for apr 1.

What counts for systems of measurement is convenience in the frame of their usage and the duplication/verification of the standards. As for the meter, standard bearer for this system of units, it's off by about 0.003 inches or more, ostensibly being one ten thousandth of the distance thru the Paris Meridian (or prime meridian just west of there) from N. Pole to equator. Great effort was expended to get this number precisely, not that it really mattered since earth is not a perfect sphere and has bulges etc.

From practical standpoints, it really didn't matter if the meter were 39+ inches long or 36 inches long, some fraction of the earths circumference or some dead king's stride. The only benefit metric brought was to establish a decade scale to various things and provide some uniformity. However, for every winner there's a loser and cm and mm may be good for some measurements, but in splitting hairs, or wood planks, good ole binary fractions 1/2 to 1/4, 1/4 to 1/8 turns divisions of the number by two into multiplies of the denominator by 2.

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