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Diebold Goes 0 For 3 In Massachusetts Case

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the help-america-litigate-act dept.

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beetle496 writes "ComputerWorld reports that last week a judge denied Diebold's request to block ES&S pact with Massachusetts. This is a follow-up to the earlier discussion here after Diebold contended that the state had erred in selecting the machines of its rival, citing accessibility provisions of the HAVA law. Quoting: 'Diebold's request for an injunction to block the execution of the contract with ES&S was rejected... The judge also denied Diebold's request to have an accelerated discovery process and to keep the state's legal team from viewing internal Diebold documents... "The suit is still there, but they went zero for three yesterday," the spokesman said.' The actual accessibility concerns have been discussed over at the TEITAC listserv, including a few telling observations from experts familiar with accessible voting and at least one state insider."

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Diebold should just (5, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598065)

stick to ATMs.

Re:Diebold should just (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598359)

lie down and die.

They don't have any ATMs in New Zealand any more ... security problems.

Re:Diebold should just (3, Interesting)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598735)

... security problems.

Well, that's what happens when you wrap a bunch of armor plate around a Windows box and call it an "Automated Teller Machine". Oddly enough, that's also what happens when you take a Windows box and call it an "Electronic Voting Machine."

Re:Diebold should just (1, Flamebait)

MLease (652529) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598463)

But if they did that, Ken Blackwell wouldn't be able to deliver elections to the Republicans.

-Mike

Re:Diebold should just (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598583)

No, the should let someone competent take over that market too...

Then sue when banks buy machines that aren't crap!

Feel the Nudity! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598739)

Feel [crazyhorse-sf.com] the nudity!

Re:Diebold should just (5, Funny)

Merusdraconis (730732) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598841)

I love how Diebold's argument is that their competitor's machine isn't accessible enough, like Diebold's are.

We all know how easy it is to access a Diebold machine!

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598077)

fp

Re:first post (2, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598929)

the computerized system that orders posts shows that no sir, you are somewhere closer to 2nd or third post.

I wonder if it was wise for /. to outsource some parts of slashcode to Diebold.

Score.. (5, Insightful)

NightWulf (672561) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598093)

one for the good guys. It's a start. Just amazes me how in some countries the mere thought of voter fraud creates giant revolutions, while in America you have blatant evidence of fraud, and very few people care.

Re:Score.. (4, Insightful)

Cylix (55374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598121)

In America, we are just hoping to get a piece of the fraud pie!

We have dreams too... they are just different then everyone else.

Obligatory (5, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598155)

In Soviet Russia, YOU defraud the Government!

Re:Score.. (5, Insightful)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598173)

I used to care. But I think voter apathy is contagious...

Frankly, I think this country would be better off the sooner we start *really* fucking it up than later. Shock people into realizing their fragile little world is on the brink of becoming glass shards...

If we just slowly slide downward, people won't notice...like now. It's like gently turning the heat up on a frog in a pot of water on the stove. Need to crank that oven dial to 11 and make froggy jump out and go "DAMN, THAT'S HOT"

Re:Score.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598295)

DHSDISSENTTRACODE:D65801BC-E0F5-11DB-82D5-8DE2E82E B96A:953645

[99 44/100% OT] boiling frogs (1, Informative)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598323)

For what it's worth, snopes.com [snopes.com] says the legend of the boiling frog is false. But I do wonder sometimes if we should just get it over with and start fucking things up ASAP. :)

Re:Score.. (5, Insightful)

value_added (719364) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598393)

I used to care. But I think voter apathy is contagious...

Could be that the options aren't too exciting. There's never a CowboyNeal option, is there?

Re:Score.. (3, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598681)

Well, kidding aside, I tend to think that you are correct. All in all, the choices have been 2 lamers; a dem and a rep.. Worse, most of these are crooks.
  1. Reagan was a traitor, liar and a crook. Worse, his policies have damaged America like no other had, until W..
  2. Poppa bush (a president that I liked) may also been part of the reagan fraud. I would like to believe that he was not in the Iran Hostage deal (where the republicans cut deals with the Iranians to hold the hostage until after the election, which is treason in any country including USA).
  3. Clinton was probably not that bad, but the truth is, that he lied under oath. But to his credit and poppa bush, they at least had worked towards balancing the budget. Had W. simply stayed the path, we would be lowering taxes right now, AND with zero deficit (but a large reagan debt).
  4. And W. well, the man IS the worse pres of all time. The amount of corruption makes Nixon and Reagan's ppl look like 2 bit players. The lies and deciet is amazing. The fact that he is trying to now hide nearly all of his doings from congress is absolutely staggering. His deficit makes Reagan truly look ameutuerish.

And now, we are looking at Gullliani (a real winner there; multiple divorces; claims to be liberal then tries to turn conservative), McCain (Another Gulianni), Romney (who is backed by the Bush brothers that should scare EVERYBODY). And the dems are not much better.

I do have to say, that I am intrigued by Obama, but the problem is that he does not have thay much experience. All in all, I will probably vote Libertarian as I have for so long (save the last 2 elections in which I missed voting in 2000, and voted dem in the last one for the first time ever).

Re:Score.. (1)

bendodge (998616) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599683)

What about Brownback? He seems good.

Re:Score.. (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 7 years ago | (#18601613)

I have to agree he is NOT one of the standards that the 2 parties seem to whip out, but little chance of being nominated, let alone elected. Personally, I am a ron paul fan, but another person who will not be nominated. In addition, while I do not agree with his politics, I have thought that Hucklebee looked interesting. He has governed a state and been pretty good at it. But again, zero chance of being elected.

But a good example of what I talked about earlier is Tom Tancredo. The man got out of 'nam by claiming mental instability. Most likely he was fine, just a total coward. I thank god that he is giving up his seat to run for a zero chance.

Re:Score.. (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599735)

Obama says what people want to hear. He cant actually do anything he says.

Re:Score.. (3, Funny)

loganrapp (975327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599833)

Obama talks a good talk. I think he would make a great first black president - one that does very little, thereby doing very little to make people nervous about having elected a black president. Chappelle made a joke about being the first black president, but in essence he's right - it's a very "hot" proposition. Elect one, let him do very little for four to eight years, then next time around, a black president with real chops won't have to jump those hurdles. I mean, really, a president that does nothing? It would be nice for a change, anyway.

Re:Score.. (1)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18602095)

Hows about a little bit more detail on point 2 there? I'm immensely curious.

I always thought it was just that the Iranians themselves had decided to wait until the next president was in before releasing the hostages.

Protest - vote autocratic! (2, Interesting)

Mal-2 (675116) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599941)

If nobody on the ballot seems acceptable, write in someone who is. That could be yourself, if you are eligible to hold that office. Or arrange with a small group of like-minded people to use the same write-in protest candidate.

There's your CowboyNeal vote. Too bad it won't win, unlike on /.

Mal-2

Re:Score.. (5, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598501)

Frankly, I think this country would be better off the sooner we start *really* fucking it up than later. Shock people into realizing their fragile little world is on the brink of becoming glass shards...

It's very easy to say that, sitting in your office or bedroom, comfortable with a cup of coffee and your browser pointed at Slashdot ...

Revolutions are ugly, ugly things, and so are the circumstances that create them. Anyone who seriously wants things to get much worse, much faster, is either a psychotic, or just isn't thinking things through. (Usually the latter, of course.)

Re:Score.. (0, Troll)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598721)

At this point, Revolution is the easiest way to get the US of A back on track. It sucks, but it's true.

Re:Score.. (2, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599095)

Except there's no guarantee of "getting back on track" with a revolution, at all. In fact, the odds are pretty well against it.

We got extraordinarily lucky once -- we could very easily have turned into the first in the long, sad series of colonies that have won their independence only to sink into a morass of dictatorship and self-inflicted poverty. The fact that we didn't is due to the group of great minds that happened to gather around the idea of independence at that particular moment; it's not the usual situation. And internal (as opposed to colonial) revolutions are usually even worse. France? Check. Russia? Check. Iran? Check. Honestly, it's hard to think of an internal revolution in a major country that's turned out well, ever.

Re:Score.. (1)

xero314 (722674) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599545)

Except there's no guarantee of "getting back on track" with a revolution, at all.
Doesn't that depend on what "on track" means? Some would say that any change would be better than what we have now. Remember that Malevolent Dictatorships do not last. So either things getter or they get worse, forcing people into another revolution to improve things. Historically, revolutions have always led to "better" conditions even if they were not immediate. Remember it took genocide by the Khmer Rouge (which I in no way condone) to bring democracy to Cambodia, which is something the US has yet been able to accomplish through non-revolutionary change.

Re:Score.. (2, Insightful)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 7 years ago | (#18600181)

If, "Malevolent Dictatorships" really do not last, it is only true from a historical perspective. From the point of view of the people living through them, I bet they drab on and on and on. After all, dictatorships have certainly proven to be a lasting think in much of South America, Africa and the Middle East. They haven't always been the same dictator for long, but the dictatorship goes on.

Actually, I can't think of a single example in the past half century that a people got fed up with a dictator, threw him out of power (with or without outside assistance) and then were still a democracy 10 years later.

Re:Score.. (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 7 years ago | (#18601121)

Actually, I can't think of a single example in the past half century that a people got fed up with a dictator, threw him out of power (with or without outside assistance) and then were still a democracy 10 years later.

Russia? (Generally considered fairly corrupt, so I don't know if that counts. Mind you, I daresay they're just not as good at hiding the corruption as most of the West as they've not had the practise.)

Serbia? (though Serbia hasn't had 10 years yet)

Re:Score.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18601527)

India? Even 50 years after winning freedom as a colony, and enduring a short emergency (suspension of civil rights), India has continued to be a democracy which holds elections regularly, and the poor people still continue to have a signficance influence at ballot.

Re:Score.. (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598781)

I don't think the revolution stage is necessary, at least not yet, but something needs to shake up the voting public so they actually start caring about the government and what they do in regards to economics and diplomacy rather than abortion or evolution. Require the branches of government to have accountability on all levels.

I, personally, don't see a way to spark that interest given the current environment outside of a jolt. I would be happy to be proven wrong though.

Re:Score.. (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599041)

America has come close to the brink before -- we very nearly made the monarchist mistake after the Revolution, the savage-suppression mistake after the Civil War, and either the fascist mistake or the communist mistake (or both at once; imagine the Spanish Civil War writ large ...) during the Depression -- and every time we've pulled back. I'd like to think we can do the same this time around.

Re:Score.. (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599323)

Those, though, are all major events that happened on US soil that had visable impact to everyone. If we compare this to the Civil War, where are we? Missouri Compromise? Dred Scott? John Brown? Restocking Fort Sumner? We're certainly not at the Civil War point yet.

I would imagine the sooner we have something that invigorates public involvement in the government, it'd be less damaging. The longer we wait, the more devistating the Event will end up being.

Re:Score.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18600005)

If we compare this to the Civil War, where are we? Missouri Compromise? Dred Scott? John Brown? Restocking Fort Sumner? We're certainly not at the Civil War point yet.

We're at the whinging-crybaby stage. There was much greater civil unrest in the 1930s, the 1960s, and the 1910s than there is now.

Just listen to the revolutionary wannabes. One of the things they find most sinister is that, although most people say they dislike the government, very few are willing to do anything about it, whether violent or nonviolent.

Elaborate and unlikely explanations are cooked up to explain this puzzling and distressing circumstance. People have been brainwashed by the TV. Mass media keeps them ignorant of the impending disaster. They are too disillusioned by the failures of democracy to work for change. They think they will be picked off the street in a van and shipped to Guantánamo. They have been sated by the ready availability of bread and circuses. (Pop-Tarts and World of Warcraft?) They are tranquilized by water fluoridation, aspartame, and airliner oxygen-deprivation.

Somehow no consideration at all is given to the simplest, the most obvious explanation for the grand puzzle: namely, that people have always loved to complain about the government, but at the moment few really believe that it's particularly oppressive.

Re:Score.. (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 7 years ago | (#18600679)

few really believe that it's particularly oppressive

More accurately, few really believe THEY are being oppressed.

The government is already operating under enough offensive and oppressive policy to trigger real civil unrest.

But so far they haven't applied it wide enough publicly enough for people to really feel it yet. Most of us still assume, we personally aren't being wiretapped, DHS isn't knocking on our doors or interrogating our neighbors, few of us know anyone personally who's been whisked away to secret prisons, etc etc.

If the government ramps up the scale of there abuses to the point where they start really affecting a lot of people, THAT is when there will be civil unrest.

Re:Score.. (1)

xero314 (722674) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599413)

Anyone who seriously wants things to get much worse, much faster, is either a psychotic, or just isn't thinking things through.
As someone that has pushed the "fuck it up so things can get better" line more than once, I have to disagree. For those that studied Plato, Marx or any other revolutionary visionary knows that real change only happens when people become fed up with their current lot. This is arguably why Soviet Communism failed and why Soviet Capitalism is showing signs of collapse, things just weren't bad enough before making the change and then change without revolution. It may be possible that we have evolved past the point of violent revolution, but there is no way an real change will happen with out the people currently in power being severely set back from their current state. Some say collectivism through unionization is a non-violent revolutionary tactic, and that's only one approach. But before any of this happens the power of the minority has to be less than the power of the majority, and that would mean, in the US, that the middle class would need to side with the lower class. But getting the lazy ass middle class to be willing to give up some of their luxuries for the sake of the country and man kind isn't going to happen with things the way they are. So that being said, "fucking things up worse than they are" may be the only way to change things for the better.

Re:Score.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18599961)

It's very easy to say that, sitting in your office or bedroom, comfortable with a cup of coffee and your browser pointed at Slashdot ...

Revolutions are ugly, ugly things, and so are the circumstances that create them. Anyone who seriously wants things to get much worse, much faster, is either a psychotic, or just isn't thinking things through. (Usually the latter, of course.)


I agree with you. Toadally!

First off, there's a whole new season of TV shows coming up, real soon. Also, the full economic and political meltdown, with door-to-door federal protection "salesman" and death squads in the streets, isn't due until 2008 in any case.

I figure it's like Texas Roof Repair: if it ain't raining the roof don't need fixing and if it's raining you gotta wait until it stops. (And BTW, Dubya always struck me as a true son of Texas, even if he is from Connecticut.)

Re:Score.. (4, Interesting)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598549)

I think you're right. In America, our system still works well enough that people's daily lives aren't yet too much impacted by fraud and cronyism.

There's a quote I encountered somewhere in my anthropology studies that says "People don't protest when their bellies are full." Everyone loves to say that nobody in America cares, but when the shit starts hitting the fan, you will witness a sea change in the US, on the scale of the 1930s. The kindling is building up, sooner or later some event will spark the whole thing aflame.

Re:Score.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598823)

hopefully 1 min into Bush's 3rd term something happens!

The Frog (1)

Venim (846130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598631)

It's important to save the frog.

Re:Score.. (1)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598733)

How would you propose "cranking it to 11"? I figure canceling "24" _and_ "American Idol" would send a shock that reverberates through the country... but short of that anything you did would go unnoticed by the masses.

Re:Score.. (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599049)

I'm open to suggestions.

I'm sorta hoping Congress or the Executive Branch will take care of it on their own. Running TV ads wouldn't work, too expensive to get good time slots assuming people even watch em.

I'm also not exactly partial to running for office (not that I'm electable to begin with, especially not in my district...)

Re:Score.. (1)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599215)

Running TV adverts... bad idea. Producing a show/film about it... better idea. It seems to have marginally worked for Al Gore. His "climate change" agenda is starting to pick up... and he has started this website [stepitup2007.org] to gather a grass-roots movement.

In addition to "Incovenient Truth", there is "Loose Change" which discusses the 9/11 attacks.

On the other hand... if you really want to see transparent voting become a reality, head over to the Electronic Voting Machine [sourceforge.net] project which is sponsored by the Open Voting Consortium and contribute.

Note: I am not affiliated with the Open Voting Consortium, and simply searched for "open source voting machine" in Google to give you an idea. I have no idea if they have a grounded ideology towards implementing transparent voting, but they are hosted on SourceForge... so that gives them a bit of street cred.

we already have, dude (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 7 years ago | (#18603833)

or do the words "hanging chads" and "ohio vote count" mean anything to you?

paper ballots. the past is the secure future.

The Diebold Distraction (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598237)

ES&S is the corporation which made the machines used to steal^H^H^H^H^H carry out the Presidential election in Ohio in 2004.

I don't know why we're congratulating ES&S on its victory over Diebold. Why is one black box maker any better than another? Let's use a sensible system instead.

Re:The Diebold Distraction (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598671)

The same reason Apple is good and Microsoft is bad.

It's completely arbitrary and based on a naive world view. If Diebold is bad, their competition HAS to be good.

Re:The Diebold Distraction (2, Insightful)

EvanED (569694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598923)

It's completely arbitrary and based on a naive world view. If Diebold is bad, their competition HAS to be good.

To be fair, hasn't that been the US's foreign policy for, like, half a century at least?

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

So it's not just /.ers screaming "M$! OMG TEH EV1L!11!!"

Re:The Diebold Distraction (2, Insightful)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598967)

We're not congratulating ES&S, as much as being happy that justice is working. The judge rejected all of Diebold's whiny claims. ES&S is irrelevant to that point.

Re:Score.. (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598299)

The Government of the Orange Revolution (was that what it was called?) is falling apart. President just dismantled Parliament, Parliament refuses to dismantle, etc.

Re:Score.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598673)

"I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Democracy simply doesn't work."

Re:Score.. (4, Insightful)

Kandenshi (832555) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598301)

Indeed, it's disturbing and scary how apathetic people are over here about the political system. I for one propose that we immediately

Oh, crap! The newest episode of "So You Think You Can Dance" is airing!

bbl

Re:Score.. (1)

Spleen (9387) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598639)

Any mod who has modded the parent "insightful" instead of "funny" should be flogged accordingly.

Re:Score.. (1, Troll)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598775)

Funny moderations continue to be broken and result in 0 Karma, and that's why when I have mod points, I tend to go Interesting or Insightful when I find a funny comment.

Re:Score.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598919)

Funny moderations may or may not be broken, it's a matter of opinion. But even if the system is broken, it's better than inappropriate moderation. That's why I meta-moderate against "guys like you".

Re:Score.. (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599113)

Maybe enough people have set custom moderation filters with Funny=-3 that slash has finally figured out that its not really a +1? Like my sibling post, I also meta moderate against people abusing the moderation system like you.

Re:Score.. (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599227)

Then there are some of us who browse with Funny=+5.

I enjoy comedy, it's a great thing and it is a bit annoying that no one can earn any points from it.

However, you can meta-moderate me all day and even mod me down. The youngsters might worry about karma, but I've got a bit built up and it won't take long to replenish it.

Re:Score.. (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18600041)

But underrated moderations do give the karma. As long as one person mods it funny, the rest can mod underrated to their hearts' content.

Re:Score.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598731)

What?? When did that start up again?!

Re:Score.. (1)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598433)

It's not that they don't care. It's that if they do anything more than talk about the problem, they'll be punished severely, and even talking about it can get dangerous if the words are effective enough.

Re:Score.. (2, Interesting)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598435)

The reason, I think, is that in other countries -- those ones with all the revolutions -- political corruption is *the* way to get rich. In developed, transparent countries, your livelihood doesn't depend much on which party is in power in the first place. You can still get a job, you can still start a business, you can still buy farmland or a house, etc. While Congress still doles out a HUGE number of special favors that lobbyists fight over, that "corrupt" spending doesn't take such a large *fraction* of the total economy.

Just my theory... okay, okay, hypothesis.

Re:Score.. (1)

icepick72 (834363) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598593)

in America you have blatant evidence of fraud, and very few people care


For some Americans the apathy comes from the perception that there isn't a lot of difference between the main choices available. So I vote this guy or that guy, what's the difference ... kind of mentality.

Re:Score.. (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598595)

Can you show me some of this blatant evidence?

All I've heard is the same anti-Bush rumors and conspiracy theories I hear about every other subject these days. Bush makes hurricanes, Bush crashed planes into 9/11. Bush invented muslims as a scapegoat. Bush staged the moon landing. Bush stole the election.

I'm no fan of Bush, but I absolutely cannot stand the pure bullshit thrown around these days.

Theres a whole congress and senate just sitting around looking for a reason to impeach the guy.

If you have evidence, I'd say show it to them.

Re:Score.. (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598751)

Somebody should turn a page. Hey, it worked against Clinton.

Re:Score.. (1)

TommydCat (791543) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599739)

Somebody should turn a page. Hey, it worked against Clinton.
Former Florida Representative Tom Foley tried that -- didn't work out so well... [washingtonpost.com]

Re:Score.. (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 7 years ago | (#18600927)

Can you show me some of this blatant evidence?

http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/ [hackingdemocracy.com]

(Including the fact that the only countries, ever, where exit polls haven't accurately predicted the outcome are dictatorships with widespread vote fraud - and the US)

Re:Score.. (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599109)

Yeah, but who cares? It's not like we're talking about voting fraud in something that Americans care about - like American Idol or which Elvis to stick on the postage stamp.

Re:Score.. (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599719)

Possibly because of the same reason why noone votes.

Or maybe both sides are trying to commit voter fraud at the same time.

la puta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598117)

What would you do if Mexican's where everywhere? Like if you could not look to you're left or right without seeing one dirty Mexican just waiting to give you hepatightis!

Do you think that Mexican's are taking over our country? If you do, you are Right!

Last year, hundreds of billions of Mexicans illegally crossed our bordars!

I pro pose to solve the Mexicans problem Once And For All by building some giagantic huge mountans between Mexicania and America. That way, if Mexcan's want too come across the bordar, they will have too cross the mountain and deal with the likes of SARUMAN!!!

This essey will fockus on the deatail's of the solution to Mexican's. It will present arguments supporting the Mexican Barrier Act of 2009, as very good as presenting arguments from the VERY BAD OPPOSING TEAM (VBOT), the total dickheads that just wantto give every country they see to all the wetback's without asking the rest of of us first if we also wanto give our country to them first. Also, I will show why those dickheads from the VBOT are wrong and why they have no dick's even though they are dickheads!!!!!!!

Okae\y. First of all, as eye said befour, they're are dickhead's from VBOT that think Mexican's are people too and that we should just let them take over our country for no good reason at all. They like too say that Mexican's are also people and that our country should be for whoever want's too work hard save money and bee free. Also they say that our country has nothing too loose if we just let in any wetback in that we see because our country "benefits" from the "productive efforts" the wetback's make.

Well if that isn't the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard in my entire whole life anywhere in the world! Like a six-pak of Mexican's could ever dew anything but ruin our country with their ugly skin! Also they speak Mexican witch is such a stupid langwage that eye am amazed bye how stupid it is! Also they don't speak or write good English. They're skills are just to poor, just like the stupid country they came from. Go back Mexcan's!

In summary, all the Mexican's have to be gotten rid of, and we also have to build a mountan to keep them out. If every good White American acts today, we can all enshure our future will bee Mexican-free, and that in America, we speak English, not dirty Mexacan.

Priceless! (1)

subl33t (739983) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598275)

Ya, it's off-topic flame-bait but it's tragically funny.

"Also they don't speak or write good English"

Holy fuck what an idiot. Can't stop laughing.

Re:Priceless! (1)

AshtangiMan (684031) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598321)

I don't know. It reads like satire to me (or in the dialect of the GP), when you read it did you hear a whoosh sound?

Re:Priceless! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598989)

Satire? Hey genius, how does something off-topic become a satire of the topic?
Your grammar is nearly as bad as the anti-Mexican's.

Re:Priceless! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598559)

I haven't read anything this funny in a long time.

For the benefit of everyone that didn't read the OP, here it is:

"What would you do if Mexican's where everywhere? Like if you could not look to you're left or right without seeing one dirty Mexican just waiting to give you hepatightis!

Do you think that Mexican's are taking over our country? If you do, you are Right!

Last year, hundreds of billions of Mexicans illegally crossed our bordars!

I pro pose to solve the Mexicans problem Once And For All by building some giagantic huge mountans between Mexicania and America. That way, if Mexcan's want too come across the bordar, they will have too cross the mountain and deal with the likes of SARUMAN!!!

This essey will fockus on the deatail's of the solution to Mexican's. It will present arguments supporting the Mexican Barrier Act of 2009, as very good as presenting arguments from the VERY BAD OPPOSING TEAM (VBOT), the total dickheads that just wantto give every country they see to all the wetback's without asking the rest of of us first if we also wanto give our country to them first. Also, I will show why those dickheads from the VBOT are wrong and why they have no dick's even though they are dickheads!!!!!!!

Okae\y. First of all, as eye said befour, they're are dickhead's from VBOT that think Mexican's are people too and that we should just let them take over our country for no good reason at all. They like too say that Mexican's are also people and that our country should be for whoever want's too work hard save money and bee free. Also they say that our country has nothing too loose if we just let in any wetback in that we see because our country "benefits" from the "productive efforts" the wetback's make.

Well if that isn't the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard in my entire whole life anywhere in the world! Like a six-pak of Mexican's could ever dew anything but ruin our country with their ugly skin! Also they speak Mexican witch is such a stupid langwage that eye am amazed bye how stupid it is! Also they don't speak or write good English. They're skills are just to poor, just like the stupid country they came from. Go back Mexcan's!

In summary, all the Mexican's have to be gotten rid of, and we also have to build a mountan to keep them out. If every good White American acts today, we can all enshure our future will bee Mexican-free, and that in America, we speak English, not dirty Mexacan."

Re:Priceless! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18599235)

This having come from the redundant department of redundancy department.

Re:la puta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18600717)

... hysterical weirdness ...

... more hysterical weirdness ...

... and even more ...



Oh! Look! Colorado State Rep. (and presidential hopeful) Tom Tancredo is posting to slashdot!

How weird is that?

Supreme Court (1)

agpc (1083779) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598269)

Supreme Court: 5-4, ES&S wins! Diebold: 9-0, we win lol!

Diebold is the SCO of politics (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598311)

Diebold is the SCO of politics

Possible name changes for Diebold (1)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598329)

It is truly a pleasure to watch common sense take its proper seat in our judiciary. It's all too rare in this American life these days to see the government actually assert itself over a corporation.

Re:Possible name changes for Diebold (2, Insightful)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598483)

If a corporation gave me 35% of its profits every year, before I asked, regardless of what I ever did for it, I think people would characterize that relationship as "me asserting myself over that corporation".

Of course... (3, Funny)

Arceliar (895609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598405)

Why do I get the feeling that according to Diebold things went more like 4:1 in their favor?

Oh...right... well, *ahem* let's just hope their court case continues to..uhhh... die boldly?

Massachusetts (4, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598493)

"The Clue State"

Or maybe just call it "Massa-clue-setts"

First OpenDocument. Now this. Love it.

Re:Massachusetts (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598655)

Yeah, um, Massachusetts is the state that thinks that anything with blinking lights on it is a bomb, forcing them to evacuate Boston over some signs with blinking lights and batteries on them.

Then there's the Big Dig, where a tunnel with 2-ton tiles which were held up with bolts that were simply GLUED to the roof fell and killed someone.

Not to mention that if you go looking for any Open Document files from the Massachusetts government, you won't find any. They were supposed to switch over to open formats completely starting in January, 2007.

Re:Massachusetts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18599213)

Meh. ATHF kinda deserves to be isolated and blown up. And the Big Dig is cooool.

MIT? (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#18601135)

I'm guessing this has something to do with MIT.

Although, of course, it hasn't gone very far -- but no other state has even considered this kind of thing.

What about PWDs? (2, Informative)

beetle496 (677137) | more than 7 years ago | (#18602967)

1) I find it highly offensive and irresponsible that the discussion on /. for this case (both this story and the one before) has automatically presumed that the disabled community is being used as a witless proxy for larger battles.

2) Having read and digested the entire nuanced thread, particularly posts like this [teitac.org] and that [teitac.org] , I have come to the reasoned conclusion that disability access is being used as a proxy for larger battles. I also duly note the similarly with the Massachusetts fight over ODF, but disavow that this is a pattern. Even if Peter Korn of Sun [sun.com] thinks differently. <*sighs deeply* />

I would like to quote a well connected individual who this all into perspective for me a week ago:

It is curious that the original inquiry sources a New York Times company product. The NYT Co. and the Sulzberger family that controls it have been highly skeptical in the advancement of independence for people with disabilities. The latest criticism and skepticality from them regards the cost and reliability of accessible voting machines. The NYT co. product below [boston.com] fails to explain that this is a simple contract dispute and does not involve access issues. Diebold believes it met the requirements of the RFP more than ES&S and therefore should be given the contract rather than ES&S.

The difference of course is that the Diebold system for access is completely electronic and would need to blend the results with the paper optical scan ballots while the AutoMark simply prints a completed paper ballot and no blending of results is necessary. The Diebold DRE is a lot less expensive than the Automark, which is their biggest selling point.

This is likely the last big contract outstanding and could add to the sale price of the election division when Diebold decides to sell it. The new CEO already has said in Fortune magazine that the election division is not a long term strategic fit for the company.

And I initially thought he was just being cynical!

Not that anyone at /. cares, but here is a link to Voluntary Voting System Guidelines [eac.gov] which both the ES&S and Diebold products fail to completely satisfy.

Re:What about PWDs? (1)

yuna49 (905461) | more than 7 years ago | (#18603489)

This is likely the last big contract outstanding and could add to the sale price of the election division when Diebold decides to sell it. The new CEO already has said in Fortune magazine that the election division is not a long term strategic fit for the company.

This is the best answer I've seen so far to my question [slashdot.org] in the earlier thread asking why Diebold was putting up such a fuss over such a small contract. Now that the Massachusetts courts aren't showing them much sympathy, the suit doesn't even seem like a good strategy from the perspective of bumping up the price of the election division.

I'm still puzzled why a $9 million contract is described as "big." Wouldn't a contract with Florida, Texas, California, or New York, just to name a few, be a lot bigger than this? Have all the big jurisdictions already made their choices?

I'd bet that selling ATMs to a newly-formed bank would bring in a whole lot more than $9 million.

Re:Massachusetts (1)

savorymedia (938523) | more than 7 years ago | (#18604115)

"The Clue State"
Does that mean Diebold did it in the Study with the Candlestick?

Isn't it time for open source? (5, Insightful)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598637)

There are several open source voting machine projects on SourceForge. WTF is our problem for not getting our governments to use the auditable machines?

Or what about open source governance? Isn't it time to get rid of the institutions that are based on those of our pre-human ancestors? How about a little technology in our government?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_governanc e [wikipedia.org]
http://www.metagovernment.org/ [metagovernment.org]

We have everything we need.

Re:Isn't it time for open source? (3, Informative)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598717)

There are several open source voting machine projects on SourceForge. WTF is our problem for not getting our governments to use the auditable machines?

ES&S has an x86-based iVotronic machine that does run Linux. The project was shelved in 2003. It's got a touchscreen (with working Linux driver), pushbuttons (with working driver), audio-out (working under Linux) and a printer option. I bet you could compile several of those to run on that platform.

Re:Isn't it time for open source? (1)

BCW2 (168187) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598867)

Most of the people making the decisions don't understand the technology. We have to figure out how to educate them first. The same problem applies to Washington, how else do you explain the stupid laws proposed? They fall for the best song and dance with the biggest donations!

Re:Isn't it time for open source? (1)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599261)

I am in favor of such forms of government as you listed above, but I think three things have to happen in order for them to be implemented on a large scale.
  1. These have to be shown to work on a large scale. This is where I give hippies credit -- they tried creating communes and 'intentional communities' in the sixties stretching to today. To a large part, they didn't have staying power, much less spreading power. There are still intentional communities up and running today, but more or less, they failed. But they tried. They tried and failed. Compared to libertarians, that's amazing. I hear a lot of talk from libertarians, but I don't know of any libertarian cities or municipalities. I'm aware of the Free State Project [freestateproject.org] , but AFAIK, it's just a list of people *intending* to move *someday*. There will be a lot of bugs and details to work through in an actual, functioning direct democracy.
  2. Things have to get so bad that people are willing to give up on a system that has mostly worked for 200+ years all around the world. Sorry, I don't think average people are motivated enough to change their form of government. Things have to get really bad before people start looking for serious alternatives. Right now, the only people these kinds of projects will attract will be zealots and dogmatists. While such attempts are important and necessary, the vast majority of people will not live under a totally new system unless their currently lifestyle is un-maintainable.
  3. Lastly, such institutions must be taught in schools. This is kind of 'after the revolution', but I think once you are living in a direct democracy, you have to teach the form of government to kids. Contrary to American belief, if you give kids -- children -- freedom and responsibility, they will learn to behave like adults. Allow them to fail. Our system of education, IMHO, leans towards fascist, infantilizing behavior in children, where they depend on the teacher for everything. In other countries, such as in Europe, kids are given much more free reign to complete their assignments, and they do alright. For several years of my elementary and middle school education, I attended a Montessori school, where we have a lot of freedom to get our work done. I was much better prepared for public high school, and got more out of it, than my public school peers. Kids will live up to their expectations; if you treat them like children, they will remain children. If you teach them to become adults, you will get adults at the end of their education.

Ok... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18598647)

So, a company can sue over the selection of a compeditors items/services?

"Go ahead and buy a Mac. We'll see you in court"

Re:Ok... (1)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598777)

> "Go ahead and buy a Mac. We'll see you in court"

Turn that on it's head... Apple stands to make a TON off this...

DIEEEbold (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598703)

Why don't they just spend more time making their stupid shitmobiles into good, secure voting machines instead of trying to shove them down people's throats and other anti competetive stuff? Wow, they should like read this and hire me :D

Same Sh*t, Different Flies (5, Informative)

lagartoflojo (998588) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598737)

Are we supposed to be cheering because Diebold got rejected? From here [wikipedia.org] :

Thom Hartmann stated in CommonDreams.org (Nov 4 2004, [32]): "About two years ago [Jan 2003], I wrote a story for these pages, "If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machines," that exposed how Senator Chuck Hagel had, before stepping down and running for the U.S. Senate in Nebraska, been the head of the voting machine company (now ES&S) that had just computerized Nebraska's vote. The Washington Post (1/13/1997) said Hagel's "Senate victory against an incumbent Democratic governor was the major Republican upset in the November election." According to Bev Harris, Hagel won virtually every demographic group, including many largely black communities that had never before voted Republican. Hagel was the first Republican in 24 years to win a Senate seat in Nebraska, nearly all on unauditable machines he had just sold the state."
As we would say here, ES&S is the same shit with different flies. Until the law changes [slashdot.org] , it doesn't matter if you vote on a Diebold machine or on an ES&S machine, you will still have not idea what really happened to your vote.

Re:Same Sh*t, Different Flies (2, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18601051)

This is exciting news. I wonder how long it is before an unknown hacker gets elected President? Hey an unknown redneck got elected it's about time a hacker got the job.

On the brightside (3, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18598905)

Diebold takes the mystery out of elections. It might be a more efficent use of campaign funds to stop wasting the money on political ads and just use it to bribe Diebold.

This (2, Insightful)

Quzak (1047922) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599015)

Who ever wins, we lose. Pure and simple. Wake up folks.

Surely disabled people can get assistance (1)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#18599173)

I don't know, maybe Diebold has some kind of Braille plugin or voice prompts, but how is a guy without arms and legs supposed to vote, unless he is a truly great lower. I would hope disabled people can get a special poll assistant, who ideally sends the voter back with a videotape documenting the transaction.

Accessibility? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18600227)

From what one has heard, Diebold machines were not really forthcoming with registering the intended votes of people without disabilities.

So how about making them accessible for 99% of the populace first, _then_ bother about the rest?

informatiKve FcagorzFagorz (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18600585)

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