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To Verizon, "Unlimited" Means 5 GB

kdawson posted about 7 years ago | from the sue-for-false-advertising dept.

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Jason writes "For years there have been stories about people getting their unlimited Verizon EVDO Wireless accounts terminated because of excessive data usage, but Verizon never explicitly said that there is a limit. Now if you dive into the terms of the Unlimited Data Service plan they have put a section in that specifically states that anything over 5GB of data usage in a one month period is considered prima facie evidence that you must be downloading movies, and you will be cut off."

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What the hell? (5, Insightful)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | about 7 years ago | (#18602091)

And what if you paid for those movies?

Re:What the hell? (5, Insightful)

z_gringo (452163) | about 7 years ago | (#18602151)

Somehow, I don't think they care.

It is just easier for them to sell something called "unlimited" than it is to sell something called "limited to 5GB".

Re:What the hell? (5, Informative)

Cragen (697038) | about 7 years ago | (#18602251)

At least they are consistent. Verizon gives you 2GB for your FIOS email account, but will not allow any emails older than 30 days to remain in one's email folders. They are simply deleted after 30.00001 days. Thank goodness for Gmail, and all the rest. Verizon email is simply a waste. Perhaps they really don't want anyone to use. it.

Re:What the hell? (2, Insightful)

jimstapleton (999106) | about 7 years ago | (#18602467)

It's a pretty standard business model, that Version is better at than most, usually it's self destructive though, as it hinders repeat business.

Basically, get as much money from the customer while providing the minimum possible, often less than you lead the customer to expect. As long as you can hold it up in the court of law.

The email trick will hold up because it's being deleted by date, not size. The "unlimited bandwidth"... I don't think that could hold up.

Re:What the hell? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602153)

More evidence that there is a need for public, nation-wide WiFi access. And a need for WiFi-enabled phones.

Re:What the hell? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602477)

Verizon is run by Indians. Tricky bastards.

Re:What the hell? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 7 years ago | (#18602631)

How much bandwidth do MMO's consume?
I use Second Life and it is constantly using the my connection.

Ah memories... (5, Funny)

PC-PHIX (888080) | about 7 years ago | (#18602093)

Reminds me of some time ago when I got my first hard drive with "unlimited" capacity... and then accidentally filled it up with 5GB of movies in the first few days of using it.

I vowed next time to get a hard drive with at least twice unlimited capacity.

Re:Ah memories... (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | about 7 years ago | (#18602241)

Seagate have just released an unlimited + 1 drive.
Apparently, every bit of data in the entire universe exists on that drive simultaneously, however access time and bandwidth is a tad slow.

Re:Ah memories... (0, Offtopic)

Fross (83754) | about 7 years ago | (#18602361)

Optimist: The thumb drive is half empty! Pessimist: The thumb drive is half full...

Engineer: The capacity of the thumb drive is inconsistent with data retention requirements.

Re:Ah memories... (1)

walt-sjc (145127) | about 7 years ago | (#18602451)

No no no... The engineer designs and builds a product based on feasibility with current technology and the requirements specified by the product manager, but marketing/sales comes back after the product is finished and tells engineering that they have already sold the new product based on a totally different set of requirements and that they have to deliver the product based on the new set of requirements... At least that's how it worked at Sun...

Limited != Unlimited (2, Insightful)

Lezarwerks (1019698) | about 7 years ago | (#18602135)

Companies are slowing evolving into lawyer-based companies, where they will soon have a whole codebook to define what each word in the dictionary really means. This is all for the money, no doubt.

Re:Limited != Unlimited (2, Informative)

nwbvt (768631) | about 7 years ago | (#18602563)

Remember, this is the same company that last year had trouble telling the difference between dollars and cents [youtube.com]. It may well be that they were simply confused.

.ca (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602137)

My .ca ISP never said "unlimited" but 90 GB/month. They never write unless I hit at least 120 GB. And they don't send forward letters from the RIAA/MPAA

Linux (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602139)

and what if you're downloading linux distributions or other operating systems? ISO's for DVD's are consistently around 4gb. IF you download one dvd iso and one cd iso theres a good chance you will already be over the limit.

Well, in Canada... (4, Funny)

lavid (1020121) | about 7 years ago | (#18602141)

In Canada just pay .02 cents per kB. What a great deal!

Re:Well, in Canada... (4, Interesting)

trenien (974611) | about 7 years ago | (#18602423)

Well here in Japan I pay around $45 a month (modem rental included) for a 50M/s connection - mind you, if it was available where I live I'd get fiber at 100M/s.

Limits? What limits? I remember last year when a friend came over for a while. With both our computers on the same connection, we often downloaded around 6Go a day...

If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1, Insightful)

192939495969798999 (58312) | about 7 years ago | (#18602145)

Sure, "unlimited" is misleading, but the fact that the cost per month is fixed should clue everyone in that the amount of bandwidth is also fixed. Could you really expect to stream down the maximum amount of traffic possible 24/7 and pay the same as checking email once per day? If the price reflected a 24/7 maximum throughput data usage, it would probably cost 2-3 times as much, and then even more if everyone was saturating their connection simultaneously 24/7.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602179)

The thing you're missing is that people buy this who think they ARE buying the unlimited plan. If Verizon wants to have a plan for people who use 0-5 GB per month, then they need to advertise it as such.

Verizon simply doesn't offer anything more than unlimited... maybe next we'll see an infinity + 1 plan.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | about 7 years ago | (#18602195)

Why would they think that, when in the terms of the contract (from TFA) it states that the plan has specific limits? If it said in the plan that the usage was unlimited and then they cut you off, then you have a serious case.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (2, Insightful)

CriminalNerd (882826) | about 7 years ago | (#18602377)

Nonono...they TELL you that it's unlimited, then slip in the 5GB limit into the fine print. It's false advertising.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (2, Interesting)

Selivanow (82869) | about 7 years ago | (#18602393)

The problem is that Verizon ADVERTISES the plan as unlimited. Although I can not say from experience, it would not surprise me if Verizon employees also advertised it as such or just not mention the fine print when signing you up. Remember, it's all about the money...they want you as a customer and if you manage to miss the fine print for 15 days, after which they have you as an income stream for 2 years (before which you can legally terminate your contract w/o penalty).
The previous poster is correct. Verizon should not be allowed to advertise in such a misleading way.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1)

IDontAgreeWithYou (829067) | about 7 years ago | (#18602399)

Uh... Maybe they think that because the plan is called UNLIMITED. Why would anyone think that a plan that is called UNLIMITED would, in fact, have rather restrictive LIMITS.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (4, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about 7 years ago | (#18602411)

The contract is fair and reasonable, but conflicts with their advertising. You can't advertise the Brooklyn Bridge for sale and then present someone with a contract for a tenement in The Bronx. People just want truthful advertising.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (5, Insightful)

Enfors (519147) | about 7 years ago | (#18602193)

That's totally besides the point. If they say it's unlimited, then it should be unlimited. It may be a bad idea business wise for them to provide ulimited bandwidth for a fixed price, as you correctly point out, but that's their problem.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (3, Insightful)

rucs_hack (784150) | about 7 years ago | (#18602403)

its all down to the definition. A 'normal' user, reading pages, and sending/receiving email, would see 5gb as more then they would use. Someone with greater needs, such as to download large files, would see 5gb as barely adequate. Hell, even re installing a Steam account on your computer could fill that in a day.

That aside, the thing is that companies like Verizon have seen their old pricing model prove inadequate over time, and they want to distance themselves from the previous model. The interweb was such that only people downloading illegally were exceeding their previously undefined upper limit. I would imagine they got the 5gb value by doing some data mining on their customers. I'd bet that most never go near 5gb.

I imagine they know people will soon start buying movies and other large media online as a matter of course, and they want to be able to charge for 'premium' access. The best way to achieve that is show that they are taking action now against heavy downloaders, demonstrating the need for different levels of access, so they cannot be accused of suddenly instituting a new system for the sake of profit only.

I would cope with metered access, if it meant no hassle when I did transfer a lot. I do often have to transfer large amounts of data between home and my lab overnight.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1)

ThomasHoward (925022) | about 7 years ago | (#18602199)

If they say it is unlimited, they should he held to that. I am under the impression that here in new Zealand, they would quickly find themselves in deep trouble with the Commerce Commission if they were advertising something as unlimited when it really wasn't, Surely such laws exist in the US too.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | about 7 years ago | (#18602223)

Misleading? 5gb is kind of a small limit. That's like buying a Ferrarri for $10,000 and then finding out that it's only going to drive you off the lot.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1)

CLorox (7) | about 7 years ago | (#18602433)

It seems like an even smaller limit when you consider that Verizon is charging $45.00 a month for that unlimited plan.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1)

should_be_linear (779431) | about 7 years ago | (#18602225)

Could you really expect to stream down the maximum amount of traffic possible 24/7 and pay the same as checking email once per day?

Yes. If it is unlimited, In the case of "unlimited" connection I suppose limitation is only connection speed, not connection speed *and* amount of tranfered data.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602245)

If the price reflected a 24/7 maximum throughput data usage, it would probably cost 2-3 times as much

And then they could justifiably call it "unlimited".

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1)

Peus (786769) | about 7 years ago | (#18602249)

I pay a fixed amount for my connection, and I get unlimited download, I regularly down load albums, Disk images etc, and i have never been cut off. If you pay for a unlimited service, it should be just that. You can't start wingeing just because people use an unlimited service they pay for.

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (1)

Zelos (1050172) | about 7 years ago | (#18602311)

It says unlimited. My ADSL ISP sets limits on usage for some of their plans, but the limits are very clearly stated on their website: you couldn't sign up with out being aware of them. Aren't there generally consumer protection laws against burying onerous conditions in the small print of agreements?

Re:If it has a fixed cost, it has a fixed limit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602491)

Verizon needs better shills. Is that what you're doing? Cuz that was a pretty pathetic apology for the false advertising.

Let me get this straight: (1, Insightful)

Txiasaeia (581598) | about 7 years ago | (#18602157)

If I decide to buy several dozen full-quality albums (.wavs) from Magnatune, and go over the 5GB limit, I'll be cut off because they assume that I'm pirating movies?

Re:Let me get this straight: (5, Insightful)

CliffSpradlin (243679) | about 7 years ago | (#18602231)

Yes, they will cut you off, but not because they assume you're pirating movies.

If you read the actual terms you'll see this:

Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games;

Basically, they don't want you using the internet to purchase movies or music from anyone other than Verizon. It's an incredibly anti-competitive action.

Can you say "deceptive marketing"? (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 7 years ago | (#18602159)

Consider this other news: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/03/183 251 [slashdot.org]
With the same reasoning, people could sue Verizon over first selling "unlimited" access and then putting a 5 GByte limit into the fine print. Now IANAL and I don't know how likely success in court would be, but Verizon may be cruising for a bruising here ;-)

Re:Can you say "deceptive marketing"? (2, Insightful)

walt-sjc (145127) | about 7 years ago | (#18602557)

Except that they have corporate lawyers on staff that deal with "annoying" lawsuits like this without really costing them anything. It will cost you 50K - 100K to start unless you are lucky enough to find a very good lawyer (and they will need to be good to go up against Verizon) that is willing to do it on spec. You KNOW the FTC and other government agencies are not going to come to your aid, right???

What?! (1, Redundant)

Donniedarkness (895066) | about 7 years ago | (#18602161)

Movies? Hell, with the size of patches in some of today's games (or, better yet, the sizes of the demos...it's not uncommon to see a 1gb demo any more), it's kind of hard to not go over 5gb in HALF a month. Them advertising the service as "unlimited" is just flat-out wrong with such a tiny amount of allowed data usage per month.

Re:What?! (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | about 7 years ago | (#18602271)

The last time I downloaded America's Army, it was over 2GB, so it's not just patches, but legitimate game content.

Re:What?! (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | about 7 years ago | (#18602319)

Alright, so let's say you download America's Army... and something messes up (it gets close to the end of the download and messes up... which has happened quite a few times for me), so you go to download it again... Then a patch comes out for it a few days later... there goes your 5gb.

Re:What?! (1, Insightful)

Lazerf4rt (969888) | about 7 years ago | (#18602527)

If you're downloading games and patches, you should probably use your home Internet connection, and not Verizon's outdoor-wireless service. I don't think you really need to download America's Army at the beach.

Re:What?! (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | about 7 years ago | (#18602543)

Oh come on! I'm not saying that having a hidden limit is a good thing, but 5 GB isn't too bad for a wireless connection. As any other slashdotter, I sit online basically all the time, reloading slashdot and downloading random shit off youtube, etc., and my web+mail (IM is completely insignificant) traffic is usually between 1.5-2.5 GB. The maximum was somewhere last year at around 5.3 GB, but that when I downloaded some games from rapidshare :D.

Forgive my statistics, but... (4, Interesting)

BinarySkies (920189) | about 7 years ago | (#18602173)

In a brief overview of the logs that are kept by a gateway at the local university, it shows that, on a daily basis, 32 members of my dormitory floor download at roughly 700KBps average during the day (that's total for all users). That's about 60,480,000 KB per day. Fifty NINE gigabytes per day. Divide that by 32. 1,845MB per person, per day. This is a reasonable number for college students. Let's assume that up to 75% of that is bittorrent, other peer to peer traffic, or what have you. That's STILL 461MB per person, per day, of assumed legitimate traffic. This is AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Web browsing, and other legal Internet services. 461MB * 30 days = 13,837MB or 13.5GB. I rest my case.

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602215)

I rest my case.

What case? You just posted a bunch of numbers, you didn't say what we're supposed to conclude from that.

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (0, Flamebait)

BinarySkies (920189) | about 7 years ago | (#18602313)

I hope you actually read my full post in which I conclude (and cleanly state): "That's STILL 461MB per person, per day, of assumed legitimate traffic." followed by a multiplication of 30 (that's the number of days in a month) to equal out to 13.5GB per month per person.

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (1)

BlueTrin (683373) | about 7 years ago | (#18602443)

Your example is not the average Joe example, your dorm is obviously downloading more like 99% or 95% from P2P alone and/or alot of game demos/patches.

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602455)

And what's your basis for that assumption? Empirical data, or did you just reach up your ass and pull out whatever felt nice?

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602229)

Your assumption is where you made your mistake. You pulled 75% out of the air with no basis for doing so. What if bittorrent was 99.9% of the bandwidth used? Your case resting would be completely incorrect.

assumed legitimate traffic. (4, Insightful)

wiredog (43288) | about 7 years ago | (#18602297)

The operative word here being assumed.

Someone who's IM'ing 13.5 GB/Month won't be in college long...

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602317)

Hey, great assumption. So according to you, people need 1Mbps for web browsing, IMing and checking their email? (hint: 25% of 700 is 125) I think I just got a little dumber from reading your post.

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (0, Flamebait)

BinarySkies (920189) | about 7 years ago | (#18602339)

Lern2doMath. 700 is not what I was taking a percentage of, rather the total monthly transfer.

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (0, Troll)

dlevitan (132062) | about 7 years ago | (#18602341)

75% is p2p? It's much higher than that. My (rather large research) university began charging for data transfers few years ago (I graduated last year). Each user was given 2 GB free/month. This number, according to them, was more than almost every student was using. At first, it seemed small to me, but after monitoring my own usage monthly, it turned out that I was coming in at way under 2 GB usually. That's with a lot of web surfing, AIM, and a lot of transfer to my off campus servers. I only ran over a few times (after the first year, the rate for data over 2 GB/month was actually lowered because there was so little demand for it).

Your claims are BS and have no basis. The vast majority of users who do not run p2p apps do not use much data. Note that this doesn't mean I agree with Verizon's policy, but I frankly consider 5 GB/month for a mobile product to be very reasonable for 99% of users.

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602435)

but I frankly consider 5 GB/month for a mobile product

Except that people keep pushing wifi as a competitor for the cable-dsl duopoly. This shows that it clearly isn't there yet.

Re:Forgive my statistics, but... (3, Insightful)

8472 (414458) | about 7 years ago | (#18602463)

I think it's a pretty bold assumption to suggest that only 75% of that traffic is illegal P2P traffic. Speaking from my own experiences at university i'm sure that figure is more like 90% giving 1,845 x 0.1 x 30 = 5535MB... oh wait... yeah Verizon are crooks.

5 GB not much (1, Redundant)

MarkRose (820682) | about 7 years ago | (#18602191)

So that's a DVD install of your favourite distro, some web browsing, a couple youtubes, and you're over the limit. Though Verizon has never been known as generous.

Re:5 GB not much (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 7 years ago | (#18602235)

If you're downloading your favorite distro onto your mobile phone, then...

But you're pretty much right, that 5GB isn't much. =/

Re:5 GB not much (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602279)

No, but perhaps onto my laptop which is connected to my mobile phone via bluetooth

Re:5 GB not much (1)

MarkRose (820682) | about 7 years ago | (#18602349)

Exactly. I once considered going completely wireless for internet, until I saw the ridiculously small bandwidth limits the "unlimited" accounts offered.

Re:5 GB not much (2, Insightful)

theckhd (953212) | about 7 years ago | (#18602549)

This isn't limited to mobile phone access. They actually market this as a feasible alternative to DSL and cable. If you go to their product site [vzw.com], you'll find that they advertise that the speeds are comparable to DSL, and they offer a PC card so that you can connect without using your phone. And while they offer the plan cheaper with a 2-year phone contract ($59.99), you'll notice that you can purchase this service for a little more without any voice plan at all ($79.99).

So on the one hand, they're advertising this as an easy and convenient alternative to DSL, while at the same time rewriting the terms of service to make it abundantly clear that it's not intended to compete with DSL. If you're going to be actually using the bandwidth you're paying for ($79.99 is about twice as expensive as a regular DSL line in my area), they want you to get a real DSL setup that can actually handle the advertised bandwidth.

False Advertising (5, Informative)

Silver Sloth (770927) | about 7 years ago | (#18602221)

Doesn't the US have somethign equivalent to the British Trades Description Act [wikipedia.org]. If they tried selling 'unlimited' internet access with a limit in the UK it would be, de facto, illegal, whatever the small print.

Re:False Advertising (0)

Threni (635302) | about 7 years ago | (#18602289)

> If they tried selling 'unlimited' internet access with a limit in the UK it would be, de facto, illegal, whatever the small print.

For a start, it wouldn't be illegal - no law would be broken. Don't confuse civil law with criminal law.

Secondly, most ISPs sell `unlimited` net access, and I think they all have a `fair use policy` which will get you cut off if you download too much.

Re:False Advertising (3, Insightful)

VirusEqualsVeryYes (981719) | about 7 years ago | (#18602571)

it wouldn't be illegal - no law would be broken.
There may or may not be laws specifically regarding false advertising [wikipedia.org], but there sure as hell exists the FTC (in the US) which regulates such things. Don't confuse "civil law" with "suggestive in nature". If the FTC deems this intentionally misleading and unfair (and I think they would), then yes, Verizon's practices are, in fact, illegal. Fine print can clarify, but it can't directly and obviously clash with other information.

Secondly, most ISPs sell `unlimited` net access, and I think they all have a `fair use policy` which will get you cut off if you download too much.
However, those bounds should be reasonable. If you, as an end user, are downloading a TB or more a day, it's pretty clear that you're doing much more than what is legal. Even if theoretically it's possible that you are paying for legitimate movie downloads, there comes a point where it's not possible for you to be going through all the material you download without watching 2 or 3 movies at once. Of course, the ISP's--and, more importantly, the courts--will not set the bar that high. What is "reasonable" to download is subjective, but 5GB is very clearly reasonable and easily attainable.

Of course, the best way to avoid any of this is to avoid advertising "unlimited". Unfortunately, laymen currently define "unlimited" as "at least a little more than I would ever use", and relatively few are ever going to complain about Verizon's and others' like policies.

Re:False Advertising (1)

Filmcell-Keyrings (973083) | about 7 years ago | (#18602565)

There has been plenty of press coverage in the UK about ISPs offering 'unlimited' downloads and then cutting off heavy users under 'fair use' blah blah blah small print. The ISP I am with, even has a bit about it on their home page. They offer 5, 20 & 50 Gig packages with you being billed extra if you go over. This is all clearly stated up front, and I am happy to pay a few quid more if I go over, than to switch to another ISP to save a little, as I have been with my current ISP for years, and have had very few problems, and when I did their customer service was superb.

Purpose is plainly stated (5, Informative)

wombatmobile (623057) | about 7 years ago | (#18602237)


Paragraph 1 of the Verizon terms state plainly that the Unlimited plain means unlimited bandwidth for a particular small set of uses:

Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose.

shhhh! (1, Funny)

mungtor (306258) | about 7 years ago | (#18602351)

You'll get in the way of a lot of perfectly good ranting about how corporations suck, Verizon in particular sucks, lawyers suck, and the government sucks for allowing them all to get away with their crimes against humanity. If people don't vent their anger here it will just build up until they snap and finally walk outside. That's the last thing anybody wants.

They shot themselves in the foot... (1)

Fross (83754) | about 7 years ago | (#18602409)

...with "Internet browsing". Of course, they MEANT using a web browser to view web pages, but the act of "browsing" is not explicit to the web. So, it can apply to any activity of searching and sampling content from the Internet. I think everything from Usenet to BitTorrent would be covered by that.

Verizon doesn't speak English (1)

javacowboy (222023) | about 7 years ago | (#18602615)


Paragraph 1 of the Verizon terms state plainly that the Unlimited plain means unlimited bandwidth for a particular small set of uses:

Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose.


Verizon is bastardizing the English language in their service agreement, and the courts should take note of this.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unlimited [reference.com]


1. not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.
2. boundless; infinite; vast: the unlimited skies.
3. without any qualification or exception; unconditional.


Emphasis mine.

I once got paid to quit (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602243)

Reminds me of an ISP in Germany that offered unlimited broadband for cheap 7 bucks a month.

They also gave me a brand new VoIP-enabled wireless router as a welcome present and didn't even charge for the first 3 months.

After 5 months that guy calls: "I want to talk to you about your DSL plan [...] over the past months you've been downloading an average 181 GB a month [...] up to 243 GB [...] bla bla bla"

He then offered me 100 bucks if I agree to quit the plan immediately and never come back.

So:
State-of-the-art VoIP-router: 0,00$
5 months of downloading TV series: -14,00$
Getting paid to leave: : +100,00$ (priceless)
---------------
all of the above: +86,00$

Re:I once got paid to quit (1)

armomurha (1056282) | about 7 years ago | (#18602551)

I don't think Germany ever used dollars.

Re:I once got paid to quit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602609)

Me neither but then the exchange rate was pretty much 1:1 at the time. And I don't have a Euro symbol on my keyboard. And who cares anyway?

Re:I once got paid to quit (1)

WFFS (694717) | about 7 years ago | (#18602619)

5 x 7 = 35

Maybe you should go back to school instead of downloading tv shows?

Serves you right. (-1, Flamebait)

LibertineR (591918) | about 7 years ago | (#18602247)

By now, if you dont understand MPEG4 or XviD compression, you deserve to get cut off. 5G is what, 8 movies a day?

*Disclamer*

Of course, I know nothing about this, and only overheard someone else talking about it. I LIKE spending 10 dollars a pop at the theater, because there is nothing like having to squeeze past the fat chick in the aisle to fetch a 5 dollar coke for your spouse. I am helping to provide theater jobs for young folks, because I am a good person.

Re:Serves you right. (1)

Stumbles (602007) | about 7 years ago | (#18602371)

Ah well the usual twit non-sense remarks that the ONLY thing you must be doing is downloading music. To bad your thought processes are limited.

Re:Serves you right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602389)

what a strange comment to make, I think its people who do understand Xvid who are most likely to get cut off. Sure 5GB might be 8 movies... but then your done for the month.

new idea for advertising (4, Funny)

bazorg (911295) | about 7 years ago | (#18602253)

Unlimited* Internet Access for only US$29.999

* - Bullshit!

Re:new idea for advertising (1)

Ramadog (535075) | about 7 years ago | (#18602461)

It is still better than some of the Australian broadband plans that are 150 meg or 200 meg quota a month. That pitiful quota also includes uploads and you get hit with an excess bill when you go over quota.

No more debian unstable then... (1)

simm1701 (835424) | about 7 years ago | (#18602255)

Ok I'll admit its been over a year since I had sid on my desktop, but with that configured to download updates daily I do remember it was a rare day that saw less than 50Mb of packages... thats already a third of the limit...

I must say I'm not too fond of my current ISP, but atleast they only apply limits between 4pm and midnight, and then its not a cut off, just a gradual throttling (which at worst leaves p2p blocked and the rest throttled to 256kbits) the rest of the time doesn't have limits and isn't counted against peak time usage (the limit starts at 15Gb with the throttlings kicking in from 10Gb)

Nothing to do with piracy (1)

91degrees (207121) | about 7 years ago | (#18602265)

It's all about bandwidth usage.

Using bandwidth costs them money. They're cutting off the unprofitable customers. Simple as that. The only issue here is why they claim a verylimitted service is unlimited.

th1s is goatsex (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602281)

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Not everyone has unlimited access. (4, Interesting)

jovetoo (629494) | about 7 years ago | (#18602283)

Well, you might find that extremely limited (and it is) but it isn't so strange for me. In Belgium the major ISPs (Belgacom [belgacom.be], Telenet [telenet.be]) allow about 10Gb quota per month, with 5 euro per 5Gb for extra quota. This is expensive! Downloading a movie or even a linux distribution DVD costs you several euros on bandwidth alone.
Minor ISPs use this a nice way into the market. (For example, mine [edpnet.be] allows me 20Gb default with a 0.25 euro cents per Gb over that upto 60Gb per month).
Offcourse, all limits are openly advertised...

Verizon "unlimited" (2, Funny)

harvey the nerd (582806) | about 7 years ago | (#18602285)

"Unlimited", 5 GB means old V lawyers have a 32 bit overflow "feature" in their vocabulary, rounded up, 2^32 = 4294967296. V is also for Verizon.

5 GB? (1)

zoward (188110) | about 7 years ago | (#18602343)

Bittorrenting the Knoppix DVD would pretty much put you over the monthly allowance, even if you never seeded.

I use 5GB per month keeping GPL SW up to date (1)

earthforce_1 (454968) | about 7 years ago | (#18602383)

I am running Ubuntu Feisty beta with a lot of SW installed and have about 100M in patches or updates every day. This doesn't count normal browsing, streaming A/V feeds and whatever the kids are doing.

Besides, isn't this a form of illegal false advertising?

Not hard to eat up legitimately (1)

MikeRT (947531) | about 7 years ago | (#18602387)

Youtube, downloading CD images, surfing the web, playing games... 5GB a month is 161MB a day give or take in a 31 day month. That'd not be that hard for someone to eat up, especially if they like the iTMS and Youtube.

We had a similar thing with Telstra in Australia (1)

Centurix (249778) | about 7 years ago | (#18602439)

I was an early adopter of ADSL here and they advertised an 'unlimited' ADSL plan. The network was terrible, so bad that their outages were announced on national radio during the early days. They finally capped the unlimited account at 10Gb, at which point there was some competition in Australia and I immediately moved over.

Keep in mind this is Verizon "$0.0002" Wireless (1)

dosius (230542) | about 7 years ago | (#18602457)

This is Verizon Wireless, they run their show a bit differently than the rest of Verizon.

Verizon DSL's never complained and I've downloaded...what? Last month it was easily 20 GB? (15 of that in DVDISOs)

Verizon Wireless, otoh, is the company that said .02 cents was the same as $0.02 ... they're owned by Verizon, but they're not really run by Verizon, rest of Verizon ain't that evil.

I'm not shilling, just my own experiences, Verizon's been my ISP since 2003.

-uso.

Whoa! (0, Offtopic)

Aladrin (926209) | about 7 years ago | (#18602459)

I think most of you have missed something here: This is NOT for home internet. This is for a cellphone. Yes, you could plug your laptop into your cellphone and download that way, but that is NOT what Verizon is marketing this for. It's designed for text messages and WAP browsing. For the usage it's designed for, it's a large enough limit that there is no practical difference between the limit and unlimited.

I agree that they should not be allowed to market it as 'unlimited' if it's not, but saying that 5GB is too little is just insane.

linux distros (1)

SolusSD (680489) | about 7 years ago | (#18602523)

Some months i might download over 5GB in OS iso images (legally). I just downloaded sabayonlinux 3.3, which is around 4GB and I have easily emerged at least another GB.

Google calculator has something to say (4, Insightful)

vivaoporto (1064484) | about 7 years ago | (#18602537)

5 (gigabytes / month) = 15.9494775 kbps [google.pt]. That's a quarter of the dialup speed. You can reach 5 GB/month using your good old 56 kbps dialip connection 6 hours a day on its max capacity. Enough said.

In other news, I pay 25 euros/month for a 8 Mbps down/512 Kbps up unlimited cable line, and I consider it expensive, and plan to change to the competitor that offers a 4M/512K by under 20 euros. God bless Europe.

It's Verizon math, so... (1)

Junta (36770) | about 7 years ago | (#18602539)

5.00 Gigabytes may by considered equal to 5.00 Megabytes, much like .002 dollars & .002 cents, so it may even be worse than they say.

typo in the title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18602559)

It must be 5GB per day, that's already small, limiting at 5GB per month would ludicrous...

and who's to say? (1)

Inverness (1084025) | about 7 years ago | (#18602613)

" evidence that you must be downloading movies, and you will be cut off." So who is to say what I'm downloading is a movie or the latest DVD image of my favorite Linux distro.? I mean Verizon can say but I can leave their service and report it here. Bad publicity can be a big deterrent. Ask Sony what they think of bad publicity.
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