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Survey Finds Few Intend to Upgrade to Vista

samzenpus posted about 7 years ago | from the if-it-aint-broke dept.

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thefickler writes "A recent Harris Poll has found that while most online computers users are aware of Microsoft's Windows Vista, few are intending to switch over to the new operating system anytime soon. The Harris Poll of 2223 US online adults in early March found that 87% were aware of Vista. Unfortunately for Microsoft, only 12% of Vista-aware respondents were intending to upgrade to Vista in the next 12 months."

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Early Adoptor == Burned (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | about 7 years ago | (#18613823)



Alas, where I work we will be enthusiastically embracing Vista. My supervisor was very upbeat when she
told me I would be getting a new computer loaded with Vista and that I needed to familiarise myself with it
because everyone else would be getting Vista, too.

I'm an old school computer guy. I don't "upgrade" until I have to or there is sufficient benefit to be
gained. I learned this from a crafty old fellow who felt so, after being burned several times.

As to why, I see Vista as little more than a ploy to hold market share and gain some profits, as the existing
XP profit cycle has likely flattened. There will be a few bells and whistles, but the security aspect tells me they know
less about writing operating systems than their predecessors of 30 years ago. I think they still just don't get it. I also feel it's been rushed.

After all these years Windows is still a big mysterious black box, wherein things happen of which we know little and therefore
have little say in behaviour of or control over.

Besides, I've always been a fan of having the actual code at my finger tips. ;-)

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18613893)

On the other hand, I happen to need to buy a new computer for my son going off to college and being a mere consumer (i.e. powerless to get an OEM to sell me an XP system instead of Vista), I will be buying a stand alone copy of XP from a website to replace the copy of Vista that will come with the machine. My copy of Vista will end up sitting on the shelf. Yes, I know I'm paying Microsoft twice but what can one do? My son needs a Windows based computer and the university doesn't support (and doesn't want to support) Vista.

Truthfully, I don't want Vista on the computer. However, I wonder how many other people find themselves in this predicament of basically being forced to pay Microsoft twice?

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18613943)

"Downgrading" your license is possible, depending on the license [google.dk].

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (1)

Jerrycan (972427) | about 7 years ago | (#18614213)

I just purchased a HP system (Athlon x64) from Ingram Micro today, here in the Netherlands low-budget systems still have OEM XP SP2 on them by default, no problem... At home I have been using Vista for two weeks now, it's OK with me, but i don't need it...

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (5, Funny)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 7 years ago | (#18614161)

I will be buying a stand alone copy of XP from a website to replace the copy of Vista that will come with the machine. My copy of Vista will end up sitting on the shelf. Yes, I know I'm paying Microsoft twice but what can one do?

Ever heard of BitTorrent?

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (-1, Flamebait)

x_MeRLiN_x (935994) | about 7 years ago | (#18614357)

It's because of people like you that we have WGA and other such anti-piracy features. I'm still puzzled as to why people who are too damn cheap to pay companies their dues think that they're superior than us honest consumers.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (3, Interesting)

kypper (446750) | about 7 years ago | (#18614447)

...and you think Microsoft forcing us to have Vista verses XP on OEM computers is honest?

If someone buys a complete package machine, they should be able to choose what operating system it runs. Forcing them to pay for something they don't want justifies the piracy, IMHO. Give them the option, then come riding in on your high horse. Otherwise, quit bitching; you got your money.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (4, Insightful)

pcmanjon (735165) | about 7 years ago | (#18614467)

QUOTE "It's because of people like you that we have WGA and other such anti-piracy features. I'm still puzzled as to why people who are too damn cheap to pay companies their dues think that they're superior than us honest consumers."

There isn't much of a need to pay for XP if you've bought vista. Consider if a trade. Buy Vista (which is Windows tax with the new laptop) -- chuck it -- download XP and use that. Vista probably costs more than XP, so in fact Microsoft profited.

It's not like he's going to buy the vista/laptop, THEN download XP and use it on a 2nd computer.

I use to pirate Windows, but then I started using Linux primarily. Now I am legit I suppose. Although I did purchase a laptop loaded with XP, and I haven't bothered installing Linux on it.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (3, Informative)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 7 years ago | (#18614575)

I don't understand: WGA is supposed to stop piracy, but it doesn't seem to have done much about the people on BitTorrent. So what is it for again? And why are you complaining about it? It seems like a non-issue to me.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (1)

Shawn is an Asshole (845769) | about 7 years ago | (#18614285)

You have three options:

1. Buy off-lease.
2. Buy a Mac. You can dual boot with Windows or use Parallels or VMWare.
3. Buy a laptop preloaded [emperorlinux.com] with Linux. You can dual boot with Windows or use VMWare (VMWare Server is great for running Windows under Linux).

There's also a forth if you don't care if it's not legal:
4. Use an activation crack. There is a really good open source one that always works and gets past all validation checks.

For the second two, you could just pick up a copy of XP and stick on on. With the first option it'd be included, and you'd get real hardware (ie, no cripplons) at a much lower cost than you'd get something new. Hell, you can get a good off-lease desktop for the retail price of XP Pro.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614521)

on the dell website just go into the small business area and select xp as the operating system
why do people find this so difficult

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (2, Informative)

clark0r (925569) | about 7 years ago | (#18614573)

according to an article not too long ago, you can get a full refund for your MS pre-installed OS within only 2 emails. I would think that they SHOULS fully support your decision to use an OS that doesn't require a 4GB of ram sweet-spot (XP is more like 2GB) and a 512mb graphics card to run at top video effects (XP is more like what, 32?) I don't see how you'd have to check the TOS before you could get a Vista refund. IMHO, you SHOULD be able to get a refund on ANY OS that costs you money without you wanting it.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614621)

Try Dell's small business. They still have XP Pro (don't get XP home) as an option.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (3, Interesting)

Charcharodon (611187) | about 7 years ago | (#18614671)

I think you are buying far too much into the negative hype around Vista. The only way you'll be having problems with your Vista laptop is if you plan on buying a bargan basement no frills machine that has minimal hardware specs. Even Xp would be hard pressed to run properly on it as well. That or if your son has a full range of periphrials that are 3-4 years old (printers/scanners etc.). Alot of companies are still dragging their feet on driver support for old gear, but that is nothing new.

If the university doesn't support Vista, then they must not support XP either, since at the basic level they have the same requirements as far as network connectivity. So far the only problems running software I've run into are very minor. Simple things like the fact that Vista can't tell the difference between me closing Winamp down and the program crashing (the program has yet to lock up under Vista) and a few admin authorization issues with installing programs like Flash (unchecked a check box for the fix after a google search). There are a few companies that don't have updates for their software yet, but I find most them no longer needed, such as DVD burning software since it is finally included in the OS. The only place I can see there being a problem is some sort of specialized software or the lack of support for the latest version of Explorer, which if you updated on XP you'd be having the same problem anyway.

The only big quirk that I've found, that is annoying the piss out of me is I rip my DVD's to harddrives for storage and playback. For some odd reason the player has decided anything that is on an external drive is not of the correct region code (US). My fault really. When I did the install I told it I was in England (I live here at the moment) thinking it was for time zone setting, but it was for DVD playback. I switched it back to the States. It works fine for any internal drives, but still have the same problem with the external ones. I think it's going to take a full blown reinstall. The reinstall process is super easy, takes all of 30 minutes to get it back up and running, but I'm being lazy since the movies play fine off of the internal drives. The install process of Vista pretty much shines. It has never been easier (again as long as you are not dealing with antique hardware (4+ year old stuff)

The last of the big problems have been with particular games and the latest Nvidia video cards, which aren't offered in laptops anyway, and that has nothing to do with Vista and everything to do with Nvidia dropping the ball on release date support.

All in all I don't know what you are worried about. If you buy a cheapo computer you are going to get a cheapo experience reguardless of what whether it be XP, Vista, or OSX. If not then you really don't have much to worry about.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (2, Informative)

morcego (260031) | about 7 years ago | (#18614691)

Thankfully, around here we can still get Dell, HP and almost anything else with XP.
Which sucks, since I would love mine to come with FreeDOS (their version of No OS) but,
unfortunately, they (HP) only offer it on low end systems (Celeron/Sempron), and I'm getting a X2.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | about 7 years ago | (#18613901)

I see PHBness isn't confined to the male set. I wonder what she'll think if you're running any of the many applications that don't work with Vista? Autodesk, for one, won't have a compatible version out for quite a while yet, and it will run you a mere $4K or so when it does come out.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 years ago | (#18614025)

Not flattend much
The XP market is the same as Vista. New computers.

Sothe OS itself isn't making more money then XP, but the additional cost of it will be the money maker.

Personal, it is way above my price point to get what I want.
Fortunatly for me, where I work has said no vista in ANY enviroment for 2 years.
We are smart enough to know what happens to early adopters.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614037)

There will be a few bells and whistles, but the security aspect tells me they know less about writing operating systems than their predecessors of 30 years ago.

Not too realistic when you are comparing the security of software from 30 years ago (in a much different environment) to a global commercialized network with millions of computers being used by your Mother, Father, Grandparents, Etc..

After all these years Windows is still a big mysterious black box, wherein things happen of which we know little and therefore
have little say in behaviour of or control over.

Besides, I've always been a fan of having the actual code at my finger tips.


Most people could care less about having code at their fingertips or what operates inside of the big black box, as long as they are able to complete their task.

Re:Early Adoptor == Burned (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 7 years ago | (#18614063)

"I don't "upgrade" until I have to or there is sufficient benefit to be gained."

Heh - that's why I have more than one machine @ the desk... one to 'test and familiarize' on, and one (Linux-based) upon which all the actual work gets done.

/P

Windows 98 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614191)

Many people still use Windows 98. They use their computer for reading and writing e-mail notes and for writing asinine comments on Slashdot. Windows 98 is sufficient for these banal activities.

ORLY? (5, Informative)

kv9 (697238) | about 7 years ago | (#18613857)

Unfortunately for Microsoft, only 12% of Vista-aware respondents were intending to upgrade to Vista in the next 12 months.

fortunately for Microsoft, the OEMs provide good business.

Re:ORLY? (4, Insightful)

rackhamh (217889) | about 7 years ago | (#18613919)

Seriously... probably a more appropriate question would have been "How many of you intend to buy a new computer in the next 12 months?"

Re:ORLY? (3, Interesting)

rackhamh (217889) | about 7 years ago | (#18613971)

To clarify... the article says:

The poll revealed that 39% of those intending to move over to Vista planned to upgrade their existing computer so it would meet Vista requirements, 35% planned to buy a new computer with Vista preinstalled, 17% planned to purchase a new "Vista-ready" computer, and 8% said that they would install Vista on their existing computer without any upgrade.
But the meaning of these numbers depends a lot on how the questions were asked. If you ask these questions:

1) Do you plan to upgrade to Vista?
2) If so, how do you plan to upgrade? ... then you'll get very different answers from the following:

1) Do you plan to buy a new computer?
2) If so, which manufacturer do you plan to buy from?

The phrasing of the article (focusing on "Vista-aware respondents") indicates that the numbers aren't a good indication of how many people will actually be upgrading. Tons of people who don't know about Vista will definitely be upgrading, whether they plan to or not.

Really. Take it for what it's worth. (-1, Troll)

Erris (531066) | about 7 years ago | (#18614187)

The point remains, the vast majority of users don't want Vista. When they find out they can only get a new computer with Vista, the likely result is to not buy a new computer. People who have waited six years can wait another.

People like Michael Dell, on the other hand, should be moving full steam ahead with gnu/linux if they want to keep selling computers.

Re:Really. Take it for what it's worth. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614249)

People like Michael Dell, on the other hand, should be moving full steam ahead with gnu/linux if they want to keep selling computers.

Really? What's going to prevent Michael Dell from selling computers if he doesn't "move full steam ahead" with gnu/linux?

Re:Really. Take it for what it's worth. (2, Interesting)

dedazo (737510) | about 7 years ago | (#18614321)

Hi twitter [slashdot.org]. Back to using the sockpuppet account?

The point remains, the vast majority of users don't want Vista.

Is that a fact or did you imagine it just now? So what you're saying is that you have the pulse of several hundreds of millions of Windows users. Correct? And they don't want Vista. Correct? Can you show us some data to back this up?

When they find out they can only get a new computer with Vista, the likely result is to not buy a new computer.

How do you figure? I'm a little fuzzy on how this happens... How is this the "likely result"?

Re:ORLY? (5, Interesting)

Clever7Devil (985356) | about 7 years ago | (#18614013)

I had a short conversation today with a customer service rep from Dell regarding buying a new laptop.

System Initial Question/Comment: Is it possible to get a laptop with XP or no OS?
System You are now being connected to an agent. Thank you for using Dell Chat
System Connected with ATG Anibal
ATG Anibal Thank you for contacting the Dell Employee and Student Purchase Program. My name is Anibal, I will be your personal assistant today. I will be glad to assist you with your questions.
ATG Anibal To be sure that I can further assist you, may I have the name of the company or institution that you work for?
Me ::Deleted my company name for obvious reasons::
ATG Anibal Yes , those are latitude notebooks. Those are the ones that will give you xp as an option
Me Alright... can I get no OS?
ATG Anibal No, is not an option.
Me So, just so I understand what you're saying. If I want to buy a Dell Laptop I also must buy Windows with it?
ATG Anibal That is correct
Me And if I want to buy an Inspiron laptop, I also must buy Vista?
ATG Anibal That is correct, unless you go with latitude notebooks
Me Thank you for your help.

"Is not an option" was my favorite part. YA RLY

Re:ORLY? (1)

analog_line (465182) | about 7 years ago | (#18613995)

As long as Dell and company keep allowing you to choose WIndows XP, people will do so, and they currently still let you (as the computer I set up today is testament to).

Re:ORLY? (1)

GroundBounce (20126) | about 7 years ago | (#18614531)

fortunately for Microsoft, the OEMs provide good business.

While this is true, it isn't really the point. It probably doesn't make too much of a difference to MS anyway, since the OEM price that a computer vendor like Dell pays for is probably not much higher for Vista than for XP.

The real point is that unlike the change from 98/ME to XP, the change from XP to Vista offers much less to end users, and in fact offers some negatives to balance out the small positives. Windows is finally becoming like Office - a mature product that already does what 99% of its users need, and where updates offer only increasingly trivial features and/or specialized features for niche markets.

Hardware upgrades will push Vista (0, Redundant)

ryanw (131814) | about 7 years ago | (#18613863)

I don't imagine microsoft to care too much about these numbers. Eventually everyone will be running vista either because they bought a new machine and that's what it came with OR because microsoft will drop service packs for previous winnt, win2k, winxp.

Re:Hardware upgrades will push Vista (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614001)

Then again there are people like me. I just bought a new pc in the last week that came with vista premium preinstalled. I didn't even boot into vista once before wiping the drive and installing xp. I'll hold onto the vista install disk, so I can use it later if vista eventually has some feature I need that xp doesn't offer. Not that I'm going to hold my breath on that anytime soon.

You know microsoft did a great job with R&D when their newest OS is preinstalled on a machine, and the first thing a user does is downgrade to an older version.

What does it offer? (0)

_merlin (160982) | about 7 years ago | (#18613867)

Of course no-one wants to upgrade. What does Vista actually offer? A new, unfamiliar UI to learn? Annoying "security" warnings? Incompatibility with lots of apps? Most of the cool features, like Avalon and WinFS, were axed and/or promised as updates for XP, anyway. Right now, the only thing Vista offers is new, better DirectX, but there aren't any games that require it yet.

Re:What does it offer? (3, Funny)

DogDude (805747) | about 7 years ago | (#18613953)

Actually, the UI is pretty damn cool, and has lots of good new stuff in it. I like it. I wouldn't pay an extra $200 for it, but I'll gladly take it on the mew PC's I buy.

Re:What does it offer? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614359)

Give Beryl a try.

I just switched... BACK (2, Insightful)

Alphager (957739) | about 7 years ago | (#18613911)

I just switched my Desktop and my Laptop back to XP. Vista did not offer much good to me, and there were several annoying UI-things:
-Aero is a joke. The ~5 mm glassy effect (which does not improve productivity at all) comes at a way too hefty performance-cost.
-Vista dumbs the user way too down.

Example of an everyday-task gone wrong: When using a laptop and traveling much, my ip-adress will often fluctuate. To show my IP-adress under XP, i doubleclick on the connection-icon in the systray and change to the second tab. Under Vista, i doubleclick the connection-icon and end up in the Connection-Center. From there, i have to choose the common Task to manage connections. There i have to rightclick on the connection and click on properties. THERE i have to click on the advanced-button.


- The driver-situation is embarassing.
-SSH dynamic port forwarding does not work under Vista (used putty and plink; neither did work)

What i really liked in Vista was the combined search/run-field in the startmenu. But i can live happily without it when the rest of my system behaves.

Re:I just switched... BACK (3, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 years ago | (#18613985)

You can't open a command window and type 'ipconfig' ?

Re:I just switched... BACK (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 7 years ago | (#18614095)

...would a normal user still have access to that command in Vista (I honestly don't know).

/P

Re:I just switched... BACK (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 years ago | (#18614375)

I don't think they stripped out the command window, or Ipconfig.

But I haven't looked. It will be 2 years before I need to get familiar with Vista.

Re:I just switched... BACK (4, Insightful)

RedWizzard (192002) | about 7 years ago | (#18614675)

You can't open a command window and type 'ipconfig' ?
Of course, but that's not the point. The point is that the GUI method of getting that functionality is much less efficient in Vista than it was in XP.

Re:I just switched... BACK (1)

Strudelkugel (594414) | about 7 years ago | (#18614075)


FYI

Type this in the search box from the Vista menu:

cmd /k ipconfig

Once it's there, you will have it in your command history. Much faster then clicking the menus and tabs you mention. This is an example of a feature in Vista that is a big improvement over XP.

Re:I just switched... BACK (1)

value_added (719364) | about 7 years ago | (#18614183)

Type this in the search box from the Vista menu: ...

Ignoring the "search box" part, I think the OP point was about the organisation, layout and general obtuseness of the menuing system. Which is what typical users are familiar with and expected to use.

Running ipconfig, desk.cpl, compmgmt.msc, etc. directly is always easier, faster, and more efficient, but that's what those Linux nerds do, right? Besides, I'm not sure about Vista, but the menu entry for cmd.exe is typically buried in with the Accessories like Notepad and friends. Appropriate, perhaps, but it serves to underscore it's not The Windows Way.

Re:I just switched... BACK (2, Informative)

lav-chan (815252) | about 7 years ago | (#18614369)

... What are you talking about? You can do that in XP too. The 'search box' is just accessed a little differently. Two options:

1. Start > Run... > cmd /k ipconfig

2. Win+R > cmd /k ipconfig

Re:I just switched... BACK (1)

kosmosik (654958) | about 7 years ago | (#18614143)

> What i really liked in Vista was the combined search/run-field in the startmenu.
> But i can live happily without it when the rest of my system behaves.

You can use Google Desktop Search (is like Google for your desktop just Google after it to download) just fine in XP. I bet it indexes and searches better than Vista stuff. It is also very confident to launch apps with it. I just can't understand what is with the fucking start Menu anyway. They should get panels in Windows like dock in OSX or panel in GNOME. Launching apps in Windows is really retarded. Like go > Start Menu > Programs > Click the ... entry to get menu expanded > Browse for vendor name > Browse for app name > Browse for icon that actually launches the app (not the help or uninstall icon). Retarded.

Re:I just switched... BACK (1)

stubear (130454) | about 7 years ago | (#18614223)

Get TrueLaunchBar [truelaunchbar.com]. It's the best $20 I've evr spent on shareware. It basically extends the functionality of the QuickLaunch bar by allowing users to add menus and plug-ins in addition to shortcuts as well as add more than one quicklaunchbar. The options UI has grown a little unwieldy over time due to the number of features being implemented to control metrics and the look of all the UI elements but it's still a great app.

Re:I just switched... BACK (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614201)

-Vista dumbs the user way too down.

Thanks for the demo!

Fixed (was Re:I just switched... BACK) (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614309)

I just switched my Desktop and my Laptop back to 98. XP did not offer much good to me, and there were several annoying UI-things:
-Those ugly Theme things hog way too much CPU.
-XP dumbs the user way too down.
- The driver-situation is embarassing.

What i really liked in Vista was the smart icon arrangement in the startmenu. But i can live happily without it when the rest of my system behaves.


Fixed. It's just like Windows XP all over again.

Another 5 years and everyone will be bitching about the switch to Windows Panorama and asking why anybody would ever want to leave Vista. LOL

Re:I just switched... BACK (2, Interesting)

krotkruton (967718) | about 7 years ago | (#18614329)

I've never been a big fan of upgrading Windows either. I've still got 2 computers running 2000 because it's always worked best for me. My University gave Vista away for free to all engineering majors, so I thought I'd give it a try on my best comp. Long story short, Vista works for everyday tasks and video and what not, but I frequently have to restart because of some network problem that keeps happening, my graphics shear and distort randomly, and the driver problems prevent me from playing games and doing certain other extra tasks. I'll live with Vista until the end of the semester because I don't want to bother going through the trouble until I'm done, but then I'll be making the switch to an older version. There's really no need for me to be using Vista, as so many other people seem to say.

...but wait. Vista does make me more productive! Since I can't play any games or visit certain websites, I get bored and focus on my studies more. Wow, thanks Vista!

Re:I just switched... BACK (4, Informative)

SEMW (967629) | about 7 years ago | (#18614437)

When using a laptop and traveling much, my ip-adress will often fluctuate. To show my IP-adress under XP, i doubleclick on the connection-icon in the systray and change to the second tab. Under Vista, i doubleclick the connection-icon and end up in the Connection-Center. From there, i have to choose the common Task to manage connections. There i have to rightclick on the connection and click on properties. THERE i have to click on the advanced-button.
IIRC, one of the resons behind the Vista Sidebar was to make oft-accessed information just like this very easily accessible. Sure enough, a quick Find More Gadgets search reveals:

My IP [live.com] -- "a compact gadget to display your current IP address"

Alternatively:

Wireless Network Controller [live.com] -- "a gadget to display your wireless network's current status and details. The gadget displays the SSID and Signal Strength; click on the SSID to open the Details flyout for all the network details such as Signal Quality, Security Status and IP Address."

Another alternative [live.com]; And another [live.com], etc. [codeproject.com].

Re:I just switched... BACK (1)

svunt (916464) | about 7 years ago | (#18614597)

-Vista dumbs the user way too down.
You'll use a sentence like that and you're complaining about being treated like an idiot?

According to the survey (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18613915)

Only 12% were aware of what DRM is.

Cost (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about 7 years ago | (#18613927)

It hardly makes any financial sense. Why would you pay three times as much or more for an upgrade than you paid for the original OEM. In the case of Dell boxes you even get a discount for choosing windows, so it would be really foolish to pay far more for an OS that will provides you less performance on the same hardware, as well as restrictions on usage, and a continual risk of reduced functionality, if any software, hardware, or even media, that you install doesn't fully conform to M$ (FU)DRM specs.

Driver Issues + Hardware Requirements = Bad (1)

quanticle (843097) | about 7 years ago | (#18613929)

Anecdotally, the two largest obstacles to Vista have been driver issues and the jump in hardware requirements. The jump in the minimum hardware requirements between XP and Vista has been the largest since we switched from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95. Therefore, when faced with the prospect of upgrading multiple components to meet Vista's requirements most people opt to stick with their existing machines and get Vista pre-installed on their next computer.

The other thing is the well publicized driver issues in Vista. When faced with the prospect of their hardware not working, people are ready to forgo the enhancements of Vista until their hardawre *is* supported.

You don't say... (2, Funny)

psaunders (1069392) | about 7 years ago | (#18613935)

A similar survey showed that many people have an aversion to swimming in volcanoes. As one respondent said, "I suppose it's just not my thing: I've never really liked high temperatures".

In other news (2, Interesting)

Lithdren (605362) | about 7 years ago | (#18613937)

People dont like to spend money on things that are not clearly better. Whats more, they dont want to replace computers they bought a few years ago, to buy something they already have only is more expensive!

News at 11.

Upgrade is not MS game (3, Informative)

iamacat (583406) | about 7 years ago | (#18613947)

Most people buy a PC and run the same OS for its lifetime (which is around 5 years if you want current programs). "How many people are planning to buy a PC with Vista as opposed to any other computing device" survey would likely return 90%.

What is is (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18613949)

What I wanted:

A lean and mean OS that ran in 64 bits, had good driver support, could make DVD movies, supported Directx 10, and NO DAMN PRODUCT ACTIVATION!

What it is:

A bloated and ponderous mess that still can't make DVD movies, tries to support more of Microsoft's proprietary formats, focuses more on eye candy than performance, and has even worse DRM and activation rules. Maybe when Halo 2 comes out we'll rush out and buy Vista just so we can play a game that's been on consoles for over a year....or just buy a console.

Re:What is is (2, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | about 7 years ago | (#18614693)

What it is: A stable OS which is an incremental improvement over Windows XP, doesn't sacrifice performance for said eye candy, despite popular belief, and hasn't hit me with a single DRM or activation rule yet. Oh, and, if you were going to play Halo 2 on a console, you'd have done it by now. I played it, and then started waiting for the PC version. Some of us just happen to not be able to stomach FPS games on consoles, myself included, and those are the people who care about the PC release of Halo 2.

yeah right (1)

Stinking Pig (45860) | about 7 years ago | (#18613969)

First, there's the pressure from microsoft, which will lead to things like XP drivers being hard to get, broken, and feature-poor.

Second, there's the fact the IT people with a new OS are comparable to monkeys with a box of razor blades. Everywhere I go people tell me that they have no plans to go to Vista, unless Microsoft is strong-arming them into it... but these same people have it on their own desktops, and are griping about problems and gushing about cool features.

Official policy will have Vista rollout starting in late 2008; actual de facto rollout will be fifty per cent done by that time.

Luckily I have a sane boss (2, Informative)

empaler (130732) | about 7 years ago | (#18613991)

At first, my boss was very excited about Vista (without having tried it on his own skin). I spoke to him about this and asked him to reconsider. Then he went online, googled for reviews and feature listings - and we are now no longer on the road to the DRM-upgrade.

In fact, given the chance, we'll probably start migrating to some form of Linux within 6-9 months. If only we had a well-functioning* alternative for Exchange/Outlook available...

Re:Luckily I have a sane boss (2, Interesting)

igb (28052) | about 7 years ago | (#18614239)

Oracle Collaboration Server for calendering, plus Cyrus IMAP for mail. Provides a full service to Outlook users, other IMAP client users (with either a web client or a native OSX/Linux/Solaris/Windows client for the calendaring). Pretty cheap, certainly as compared to Exchange. We like it.

Re: Exchange/Outlook alternative (2, Interesting)

twasserman (878174) | about 7 years ago | (#18614495)

Not knowing much about your specific situation, all I can say is that it's worth taking a look at Zimbra. It's beginning to get some enterprise adoption, and they have several million mailboxes for an unknown number of customers.

Survey says (2, Interesting)

DogDude (805747) | about 7 years ago | (#18613993)

I just heard! There's a new survey out, that says that while 90% of people know it's possible, only 1% of all car owners are planning on replacing their existing engine in their existing car! New car engines are a failure, and nobody's buying them... right?

Mod Parent Up! (1)

Adambomb (118938) | about 7 years ago | (#18614351)

Funny if nothing else, i swear to god thats the first car analogy i've seen in months that was even CLOSE to a proper parallel, and this is spot on.

Of course this still does not mean that anything will change, nor does it mean future computer purchases and upgrades will guarantee microsoft its current market share in the future.

If anything, I hope this is that 'clue-in' year we've all been waiting for as a turning point. Seems companies are finding it harder and harder to obfuscate their products and services now that people can *gasp* confer with other consumers more and more.

The "meh" starts now. (1)

DavidKlemke (1048264) | about 7 years ago | (#18613999)

Since we write platform independent software where I work (well try to at least) we had to get at least 1 computer here with Vista on it for testing. After having the machine up and running for 10 minutes we'd basically gotten over every feature that is supposed to make Vista a necessity to upgrade. Being the system admin around these parts I recommended that we not upgrade to vista for a long time just because there was nothing really to be gained from any part of it. I will admit though the drive encryption would be great for our laptops that are constantly out of the office but even the most recent ones (bought about a year ago) don't have the required hardware (TPM) to run it. Sure it is the best version of windows out there, but it's such a small incremental upgrade that it's really not worth it unless you're getting it with a computer pre-installed or you friend gave it to you as a christmas present. That AUD$750 on Vista Ultimate was money well spent to not have to spend $10,000 on upgrading our machines.

Re:The "meh" starts now. (2, Informative)

SEMW (967629) | about 7 years ago | (#18614485)

but even the most recent ones (bought about a year ago) don't have the required hardware (TPM) to run it
FWIW, you don't need a TPM module to use the drive encryption; you can store the key on a USB flash drive (though you'd be well advised to make a backup flash drive and keep it in a safe in case the main one breaks).

XP all over again (1, Insightful)

dedazo (737510) | about 7 years ago | (#18614015)

Let me guess, the most common answer was "I'll upgrade when I get a new computer and SP1 is out".

That's how Microsoft pushes out the vast majority of licenses. Not through the retail channel.

This is nothing new, except for the constant "Vista is teh sux" drumbeat.

What's old is new? (2, Insightful)

Tin_Wisdom (1081631) | about 7 years ago | (#18614079)

Maybe I'm showing my increasingly distressing age, but did we not hear effectively the same thing when Windows XP came out? "Few users are planning to upgrade from Windows 98!" "My Windows 2000 works just fine!" "They can have my Windows 95 when they pry the drivers from my cold, dead peripherals!" Don't get me wrong -- I have no plans to upgrade either.

Re:What's old is new? (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | about 7 years ago | (#18614587)

I was going to post "Yawn, same thing everyone said when XP came out" but I see you beat me to it!

irrelevant (3, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about 7 years ago | (#18614121)

Almost no one pays for a physical product to upgrade their MS OS, it is simply too expensive. Much cheaper just to buy a new machine. It is not surprising that those who bought a computer a year or two ago are not going to plunk down an equal amount to upgrade the OS.

And this likely does not matter to MS. From some estimates I have seen, MS makes 80% of it's money from license only deals, and most growth comes from OEM sales. Therefore, MS seems to be most concerned with keeping the OEM in line, doing whatever is necessary to keep the desktop monopoly.

In any case,here are the facts as I see them. MS sold millions of copies of MS Vista even before the product was publicly released. Many were already sold through the commercial licensing program. I seem to recall that every one of those contracts were an implicit sale for MS Vista, which is why MS had to get out the OS, at least to corporate, by december. In addition, many machines that have been shipping since December are also an implicit sale of MS Vista, not to mention most machines that are now shipping.

I suspect that the retail software channels are kept awake at night figuring out how to convince the unwitting MS consumer that MS Vista "slim" edition is superior to MS Windows XP, but I doubt seriously many higher ups at MS are.

the great philosopher asked... (5, Funny)

SummitCO (1043824) | about 7 years ago | (#18614125)

What if a monopoly made a product and nobody bought it?

Re:the great philosopher asked... (3, Interesting)

zappepcs (820751) | about 7 years ago | (#18614381)

except in this case, the Monopoly is generated by the fact that just about anyone that buys a new computer will have that product installed on it by default. The fact that its incredibly difficult to get a new big name pc without Windows pre-installed is in itself wrong.

I hope that this current situation actually does translate to lower new pc sales for the big name manufacturers, giving them pause to think about shipping with GNU/Linux or no OS at all, and do so at an equitable cost structure. Equitable cost structure is one where computers are cheaper without software pre-installed. Yes, I know that this is problematic because of the licensing deals the manufacturers are currently stuck with in order to even supply Windows at a good price.

It's not really an upgrade (1)

PingXao (153057) | about 7 years ago | (#18614157)

I've been spreading that idea far and wide to many people in many different forums. It's amazing how easy it is to convince people, too. Unlike the jump from Windows 3.1 to 95 or from Win98 to 2000, there's no compelling reason to switch (I actually refuse to say "upgrade"), and a whole bevy of reasons not to. It's a shame Microsoft's monopoly position in the market will force us all to switch sooner or later. I understand you can still get XP from Dell, but that probably won't last long.

Stupid (1)

lord_sarpedon (917201) | about 7 years ago | (#18614167)

The survery says nothing. The question is not what percentage of users plan on upgrading. The question is what percentage of users plan on upgrading AND have ever upgraded their OS before. Joe User won't upgrade to Vista until he buys a new machine.

Nobody ever "intends" to upgrade (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | about 7 years ago | (#18614169)

Users don't choose their OS, they choose the platform. If they chose Microsoft, then they'll get Vista eventually. The only way out is to choose *nix or Mac. And most people aren't ready to make that leap.

Who Cares? (1)

crimguy (563504) | about 7 years ago | (#18614173)

A business associate of mine took me with her to buy a new notebook pc. At the store (best buy) there were no recent-model computers that didn't have Vista. She had no choice.

200 million plus new computers will be sold with Vista. So I repeat myself: who cares about the upgraders? In time they will likely have no choice unless they want to move to OS X or linux, both of which I categorize as unlikely.

Re:Who Cares? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 years ago | (#18614227)

She could go elsewhere.
She could get a refund, and put XP on it.

SO she had choices, she just doesn't care.

the WOW starts now lol (5, Funny)

GraphiX2004 (997956) | about 7 years ago | (#18614311)

the WOW starts now...

WOW nothing works no more!
WOW it wont let me playing this media because of DRM
WOW my entire system has stoped working because it thinks im a pirate
WOW i no longer control my pc it controls me.

WOW i have to pay for this?

upgrade? (1)

blakmac (987934) | about 7 years ago | (#18614305)

i'd have to say that i cannot see myself upgrading to vista any time soon. i have a pentium 133, 64mb ram, running 98 se...and doing everything i need. yes, i can use macromedia's mx suite, cool edit pro, and tons of other 'holy crap...that machine can do what???' software. i've tried their 'upgrades' ME - sucked worse than the plague XP - not as bad as ME, at least it's useable. Vista - won't touch it with a 99 1/2 foot pole when the day comes that i have the money to upgrade, i'm getting a mac. linux? yeah, i like it better too, but i can run linux on a mac...so it's all good.

Re:upgrade? (2, Informative)

GFree (853379) | about 7 years ago | (#18614411)

Vista - won't touch it with a 99 1/2 foot pole when the day comes that i have the money to upgrade
Screw that, spend the money instead to upgrade to the full 100 feet. 99.5 just ain't good enough!

I was an XP early adopter (2, Interesting)

xx01dk (191137) | about 7 years ago | (#18614347)

Because nearly everything I read at the time told me that it would be great for gaming in general. At that point I knew a lot about Windows 98; I knew how to install it and then strip everything out that I didn't need. I was able to bend it to my will, and my upgrade to XP was sort of a culture shock because I didn't know where everything was or how to tweak it just hte way I wanted. I remembered that I wavered between the two for about a month and then just dove all the way in and made myself use the (then) new OS from Redmond. It turned out to be quite an improvement over the Win98SE2 once I figured my way around.

Nowadays I'm still a heavy gamer, and while the thought of having all of my games organized sounds nice, all of the benchmarks I've seen show an actual reduction in framerates and an increase in overhead from Vista. This is also the reason I won't be using a Linux distro as my main OS--I can get some but not all of my games to run on it. Plus I'm now finally running SLI with two 7900GT's, and I can't and don't want to buy a DX10 card at the moment.

I'm moderately skilled and the problems others have had with Vista's install and driver support don't really faze me all that much; but the bottom line for me is that until my favorite games perform better on Vista, I'll be sticking with XP.

Funny! Best Buy and Circuit City (1)

figleaf (672550) | about 7 years ago | (#18614439)

today released a statement that they earned higher this quarter because of high demand for Vista PCs.
In fact Circuit City could not keep up with the demand.

Re:Funny! Best Buy and Circuit City (1)

Peter Mork (951443) | about 7 years ago | (#18614703)

Well, at Circuit City, they can't keep up with the demand because they've decided that employees are an indefensible drain on the bottom line [washingtonpost.com].

Ask MS the same question: Hardware is the problem. (1)

neurocutie (677249) | about 7 years ago | (#18614441)

Unfortunately for Microsoft, only 12% of Vista-aware respondents were intending to upgrade to Vista in the next 12 months.
Sure, but also ask the question, What proportion of PC's (hardware) out there would actually run Vista well, and I'll bet even MS would admit that it is also low numbers, maybe 20%. So for someone who is truly "Vista aware", they would know that their current PC would not support Vista well... so its not really a fair question.

Ask instead, What proportion of Vista-aware users intend to USE Vista in the next 12 months, and you'll get a higher number, simply because instead of UPGRADING, most people expect to get into Vista by buying a new PC with Vista already installed.

say hello to Ubuntu (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 7 years ago | (#18614475)

This is a great window of opportunity for Ubuntu, assuming 7.04 is as nice as it sounds like, and if they can get the Windows-based installer and data migration tool working well. Make sure to get those networking hardware detection functions working well, Ubuntu devs! More more of those problems with WPA please, and I think you'll do quite well.

Is 7.04 still on track for April 19?

It's all about the spin baby... (3, Insightful)

Cervantes (612861) | about 7 years ago | (#18614487)

It's all about the spin baby...

"In other news, a recent survey says that over 10% of all adult computer users are intending to switch to the new Microsoft 'Vista' operating system. This is great news for the software giant, as it indicates that Vista is being embraced by more than the 'early adopter' crowd.

Amazing how different that sounds, eh?

Err, forgot where I was, sorry. I mean "M$ sucks. Boo. Boo-urns..."

the crucial error (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | about 7 years ago | (#18614499)

Microsoft is cramming vista down everyone's throat.

try buying a new pc without vista right now!

I'd bet anything the poll respondents are those who also aren't intending to purchase a new pc or laptop within the next 12 months also.

Vista is inherently unsafe to put on the internet. where's ralph nader when you need him?

Ugh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18614611)

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm certainly waiting for DirectX 10 graphics cards.

I'll be playing Crysis and it's going to look amazing.

You can have fun with DirectX 9 though.

Surprising? No. Good news for MSFT? Yes. (1)

notaprguy (906128) | about 7 years ago | (#18614631)

These polls are always worth a laugh or two. Let's do some math. Last month Microsoft announced that they had sold about 20 million licenses of Windows Vista in the last month. Here's one press report: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130395/article.h tml [pcworld.com]. I'm sure somebody will say they're lying...well, if they are they'll get sued by shareholders and Microsoft is many things but they have never been accused of funging their financials. Now clearly that 20 million includes businesses and home users and is worldwide, not US only. So let's break down the US numbers a bit. According to IDC the US PC installed base of home PC's is about 90 million. So of 12% of those people upgraded to Windows Vista then that's about 10 million copies in a year. What's the average cost/copy of Windows Vista? I don't really know but I'd guess it's at least $50 (in the US). If that's the case then Microsoft will generate about $500 million in revenue for Windows Vista in the US this year. Not bad. Let's see...what other software companies generate that much revenue in total in a year? I can think of a few...Adobe, Intuit, a few others. There's another way to look at this. Windows Vista sales pretty much follow PC sales. In this article Gartner notes that there will be "No Vista Pop" (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?co mmand=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9013801&intsrc=ar ticle_more_bot). But they also say that there will be about 225 million PC's sold worldwide this year. Assume that only 75% of those include Windows Vista. That's probably a very low-ball estimate. That means Microsoft will sell about 168 million copies of Windows Vista this year. Poor Microsoft. That'll probably only generate about $15 billion in revenue for the year.
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