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Thailand Bans YouTube

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the getting-to-be-popular dept.

Censorship 377

An anonymous reader writes "The new government of Thailand that forced its way into power last year has banned the website YouTube after a 44 second clip was found of someone spray painting on a picture of Thailand's king. When Google refused to remove the 'offending' clip the website was redirected to a different page. This comes days after a Swiss man was jailed 10 years for spray painting on pictures of the king while drunk, and is the same government that earlier this year slammed open source software for being useless and buggy."

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Thailand... (-1, Troll)

Da Fokka (94074) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619863)

...it's the new France!

But is the under-age sex still available? (0, Flamebait)

FatSean (18753) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619937)

I mean, that's why people go there, right? Well the food too, but it's really the lady-boys. I hear it's a hot spot for various radio personalities.

Re:But is the under-age sex still available? (4, Informative)

modecx (130548) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620189)

I mean, that's why people go there, right? Well the food too, but it's really the lady-boys. I hear it's a hot spot for various radio personalities.

Lady boys... But mostly perverts who like the child sex slaves.

Re:Thailand... (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620075)

I think you could learn a lot from Thong Daeng [wikipedia.org]

Now if only... (5, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619867)

They put half of that outrage into their domestic problems with child prostitution and pornography creation/distribution. Why, Thailand might make real progress on an issue that actually has a moral component to it.

Re:Now if only... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18619963)

A lot of people seem to be unaware of how medeival Thailand is when it comes to morality. Why, just recently a beautiful Thai college student and actress got in a lot of trouble [nationmultimedia.com] because the dress she wore was too revealing! (obligatory hot pix here [blogspot.com] )

Re:Now if only... (2, Funny)

xerxesVII (707232) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620991)

w00t! That dress IS an outrage. She'd look even better without it.

Re:Now if only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620027)

What a ridiculous comment. It's a lot easier to block a few IP addresses than it is to stamp out an extremely lucrative section of the underworld. I mean America's been fighting the "drug war" for how long, and look how well that's gone.

Re:Now if only... (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620081)

Exactly. People care too much about youtube.

Re:Now if only... (1)

plover (150551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620239)

Just remember the basic difference: Thailand doesn't make any money off of Youtube.

Re:Now if only... (1)

rblancarte (213492) | more than 7 years ago | (#18621089)

Does Thailand make ANY money?

RonB

Re:Now if only... (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620633)

"Now if only they put half of that outrage into their domestic problems with child prostitution"

Depending on who "they" are that you speak of, "they" may not consume YouTube as much as the other thing. Lots of Politicians claim outrage at the very thing they participate in, so only give half hearted effort to "clean up".

They Do Take It Seriously (2, Informative)

Slashdot Parent (995749) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620731)

They put half of that outrage into their domestic problems with child prostitution and pornography creation/distribution.
Actually, Thailand does take child prostitution seriously. They turn a blind eye to adult prostitution, and Thai women look much younger than they actually are, so I could see why someone might think that they also turn a blind eye to child prostitution.

If you read the papers there, you will see that they regularly do bust child sex tourists. These folks are spending a long time in Thai jail.

You can go to Thailand and pay to have sex with as many Thai prostitutes who look like they're 12 but are really 25 as you want. However, it is a really bad idea to try to engage in actual child prostitution there. Thai jail is someplace that you really, really do not want to be.

..and... (5, Funny)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619875)

Ministry of Information of Thailand was effectively slashdotted. Half of me says that was a plan.

Re:..and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18619957)

I can't say I am too sad about it being slashdotted, they are censoring a massive site and everyone's speech in it because one person criticised one old man. And even if they employed some technology and banned just the video criticising the old man and not the whole site, they'd still deserve a slashdotting and much more.

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

Re:..and... (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620011)

Wow. What a troll!

Re:..and... (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620309)

Wow. What a troll!

Which part was the troll? The Diderot quote?

Re:..and... (1)

ady1 (873490) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620219)

the same government that earlier this year slammed open source software for being useless and buggy."

Server Error in '/' Application.
Runtime Error
Now whose the buggy daddy, hun, hun?

In Soviet Amerika (U.S.): +1, Interesting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18619879)


YouTube Bans you.

P.S.: Imprison the criminals [whitehouse.org] .

Sincerely,
K. Trout

Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619885)

That really isn't related to this story, is it? It's just there to agitate the average /.'er into blindly raging against Thailand.

In my day, we called that kind of stuff flamebait.

You know, like how Apple sucks and everyone who owns a Mac is a faggot.

Re:Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (2, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619953)

In my day, we called that kind of stuff flamebait

Does this mean that Zonk is going to lose some karma over this?

Seriously, I agree with you. To include that Thailand (or whomever) is not real OSS friendly on an article about YouTube makes about as much sense as including a budget revision for the VA on a gun ban bill.

Opps! Did I say that out loud?

MOD PARENT UP (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619975)

Well spotted, all part of the loaded statement and (mis)leading headline service offered by Slashdot when someone does not bow before one of their heroes.

Re:Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (1)

BeansBaxter (918704) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619993)

Yes the story is a very important one. Think of all the Thai slashdotters that no longer have access to youtube. I'm guessing this thread will get slashdot banned next so future stores won't impact any of the Thai slashdoters. It might get pretty boring around here if that becomes the trend in other countries.

Mod Parent Up! (-1, Flamebait) (2, Funny)

paladinwannabe2 (889776) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619997)

Who needs shades of grey? With Thailand, you can put pimps pushing 8-year olds, oppressive military dictatorships, and anti-open source people together! Finally, something to hate for everyone!

Re:Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (3, Insightful)

canUbeleiveIT (787307) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620215)

Absolutely. The /. community reaction to Thailand issues:
child prostitution: yeah, yeah, so what?
free speech restrictions: yawn...
censorship: zzzzzzz...
Thailand says OSS is "useless and buggy": WHAT!!!! Those sons of bitches!!

Combining them all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620709)

"child prostitution" + "free speech restrictions"+ censorship + "Thailand says OSS is 'useless and buggy'"

== "Thailand, the country of open sores and stuffed mouths"

Re:Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (2, Funny)

NayDizz (821461) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620261)

That's exactly what I thought. I was half expecting it to be followed up with "Oh by the way, they said your mom is fat."

Re:Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620715)

blindly raging against Thailand

Against Thailand -- as in each and every unique individual living in Thailand? How exactly do you measure that? Or as in the power elite who actually control the government of Thailand?

Come on now. Let's be big boys and admit that government and the people are NOT the same thing. Really, that little fairytale has done almost as much to empower and enrich the power elite as war itself. If government and the people were one and the same, then why does government need guns? Moreover, why does government not want you and me to have guns? How can they want us (meaning the government and the people who are supposedly one and the same) to have guns, and to NOT have guns, at the same time? Hmmmm... something smells fishy, but I just can't put my finger on it.

Re:Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620775)

In my day, we called that kind of stuff flamebait.
And today, I call it perspective. Now I know roughly how Thailand values the Internet, and how much they like the idea of public contributions to public cultural projects (like OSS and YouTube). You watch: it'll be the forums next.

Re:Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (1, Troll)

Creepy (93888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620931)

I was going to say about the same - if I called MS software useless and buggy here, I'd get 95% kudos and a few dirty insults. Some OSS is very buggy, other software is not. The biggest issue from a commercial standpoint is there is no accountability with it, so if it is buggy, there is no guarantee it will be fixed. This is why some OSS vendors like MySQL use two licenses - one OSS, one commercial with support and vendors like RedHat sell free software (because they give paid support). Truth be told, I have few problems with modern OS's, be it Linux, MacOS X, or Windows. The last BSoD I saw in Windows was due to a memory part going bad, and that was 3 years ago. My last crash running a Windows application was due to a buggy nVidia driver, which incidentally was already patched and I just needed to update my driver (and that was a week or so after Oblivion's release when I bought a new graphics card).

As for the main point, if you were king of a country and saw footage that was a graven insult to you, what would you do? If it I were an absolute tyrant, I'd probably do something horrible like have the perpetrator genitally tortured for pissing on my image, have his feet cut off and then dump him down a well used shithole face first (fortunately, I have no desire to be a tyrant, or to torture people). If that person lived in some other country with much more power than my own, I'd do whatever I could to not let my people see such a thing - like banning the website.

Re:Lots slam OSS for being useless and buggy (1)

mstahl (701501) | more than 7 years ago | (#18621017)

But they already covered the censorship and freedom of speech hot buttons. The only one remaining was the OSS one. I figure Zonk saw it, saw his opportunity to create the perfect storm of Slashdotter angst, and went for it.

Can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same, given the chance?

Respect and Freedom? (2, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619935)

So, how much respect for other cultures do you have? How much freedom do you grant others - to define their own morality?

I've been to Thailand. It's a great place where the king is held in very high esteem. This isn't a tyranny cracking down on opposition, almost all Thais would be very shocked to see a spray-painted picture of the king. Try a stunt like that and you'll be lucky if the police gets you before the enraged mob does.

Now let's wait for the trolls to swarm in and claim that any culture that doesn't share their own values of "First Amendment" and "Freedom of Expression" must be evil and bad. Newsflash: The "total freedom or none at all" attitude only applies to western culture. Asian cultures have more than a thousand years of experience in moderation and non-binary thinking.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620083)

"I've been to Thailand. It's a great place where the king is held in very high esteem. This isn't a tyranny cracking down on opposition, almost all Thais would be very shocked to see a spray-painted picture of the king. Try a stunt like that and you'll be lucky if the police gets you before the enraged mob does."

Conditioned response idiot.
If you dont ACT OUTRAGED you get thrown in with those evil spray painter dudes for 10 years. Get real as#hole.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (4, Insightful)

BDPrime (1012761) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620107)

This is a good question. Should I respect a culture with a different morality than my own? Should I respect cultures that, for example, circumcise women as a regular practice and have been doing it for "a thousand years?" I tend to think this is a case-by-case basis.

I realize that female circumcision is much different than banning YouTube, but I don't consider people "trolls" if they disagree with the Thai government's decision to try to control the public arena, just as I wouldn't consider people "trolls" if they criticized the current U.S. administration for practices they found offensive.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620381)

Should I respect cultures that, for example, circumcise women as a regular practice and have been doing it for "a thousand years?"

Apparently you should investigate their current government's views on Linux and then decide.

That's easy. (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620859)

Yes, you should respect other cultures. The same way we like the authorities to butt the hell out of our lives, the way we like privacy and the freedom to think and believe the way we want.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620957)

As an offtopic aside, "Female Circumcision" is a misnomer. That is actually a name for the operation of removing the clitoral hood, which is done in certain cases for valid medical reasons. The term for removal of the clitoris is "clitoridectomy" (although even THAT term is sometimes used for removal of only the hood.) There are also other types [wikipedia.org] of female genital mutilation.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (5, Insightful)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620157)

Try a stunt like that and you'll be lucky if the police gets you before the enraged mob does.

Any people that would beat or kill you for insulting someone are not enlightened, cultural superiors. They simple zealous lunatics.

The real test would be their reaction to some Danish cartoons.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (0, Redundant)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620571)

See thats where you are wrong. There is a difference. Thailand is not saying you cant have the video. They are saying you cant have the video in Thailand....you know their country....with their King and their own people. It is you who are now trying to enforce your standards on them. They are not saying that we here in American cannot have our You Tube or that we cannot see the kings image defaced. What they are saying is they wont allow it in their country. Just like when i go there, i am not allowed to bring my firearms. I can have all i want here but when i go there, none! So as usual the one that screams they are not enlightened is in fact the one who is not enlightened.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

ady1 (873490) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620695)

I hate lunatics of every sort including religious ones myself but yet I do know that all of us has somethings which we consider above everything.

Suppose there is group A. They value freedom and security above everything. They don't have any tolerance when it comes to freedom and security and might invade and kill any other group to protect it against any danger (direct or indirect or mythical). They do have much more tolerance when it comes to any other thing like humor or mockery. They also have much more power and resources compared to any other group.

Now there is another group B. They do not value freedom and security as much as group A does but they do however idolize a certain personality and consider it's respect above everything else. The same thing as group A, they would do anything thing including burning, killing to keep the personality respected.

Now I'm not advocating either of these group. The group B might need to be educated about certain things but so does group A.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620771)

They don't have any tolerance when it comes to freedom and security and might invade and kill any other group to protect it against any danger (direct or indirect or mythical).

Don't give those clowns in office any ideas. The last thing we need is reports that some turrist named Leviathan is an enemy of freedom, has ties to Al Qaeda, and must be stopped at all costs - culminating in large-scale bombing of the Persian Gulf.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

Slashdot Parent (995749) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620829)

Any people that would beat or kill you for insulting someone are not enlightened, cultural superiors. They simple zealous lunatics.

The real test would be their reaction to some Danish cartoons.
I'm sure that they did not care about the Danish cartoons.

If you insulted General Surayud Chulanont (current prime minister, took over government via military coup, etc.), no one would care. They'd just smile. If you insulted anyone else in government, on the street, in the world, in another world, they would not care.

The King of Thailand is the only exception, and I think you'll find that in any country who has a King or Queen. Do not insult the King of Jordan and expect the Jordanians to grant you any sympathy, despite being unusually friendly people otherwise.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620915)

Congratulations. You have fallen for the first and most obvious trap in these conversations.

Let me put it this way: one man's zealous lunatic is another's good citizen. And one man's social critic is another's rude moral degenerate.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620249)

To revere the king is good. To protest against his image is bad. How is this not an example of binary thinking? And have you ever tried to depose a king? I think asians (might as well throw the whole world in there) have had much more experience with that sort of bloodshed than you think.That's why people who engage in king-worship can't think outside the box - they haven't been exposed to democracy long enough to appreciate it.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620479)

Next to the throngs of fat old white men walking around with their young Thai whores, I found the cult of personality surrounding the king to be one of the creepier aspects of Thailand. Huge murals put up on the side of every other building. Basically a contest to see who can kiss the most royal butt. What noone is allowed to speak about are the mysterious circumstances surrounding the shooting death of the king's older brother and his subsequent ascension to the throne.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620597)

Hi, I'm what you'd call a "bleeding heart, dyed-in-the-wool, northeastern blue state, democrat-voting liberal." We're all Homo Sapiens and each and every last one of us deserves the highest level of human rights. So, excuse me for condemning a country that condones raping children and whose leader is so fearful and insecure that he must jail those who make fun of him.

"The "total freedom or none at all" attitude only applies to western culture."-- I think a more accurate statement is that "your right to swing your fist ends at my nose."

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620621)

In general, attacking the monarch is usually the stupidest thing you can do in a monarchy. I checked our own laws, and while we're in every way a democratic and free country (we beat the US on the index), we still have the following:

1. Accessory to attempted murder of the king can give you up to 21 years in prison
2. Grave violence towards the king can give you up to 21 years in prison
3. Insulting the majesty can give you up to 5 years in prison

Actually we have capped our sentences to 21 years max (that's "life" in prison around here), so you don't get more for killing him either. But if we hadn't made the general cap, well...

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

guanxi (216397) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620701)

Do you have anything to back these ideas up? It's an old canard that freedom is a 'western' value, but it's not, it's universal. It's always easy to write off someone else's freedom with unfounded theories, but very few chose to forgo these rights when the have a choice. They only forgo them when someone else takes them away. If the people in Thailand really agree with you, then no doubt the military dictatorship can hold free, open elections, and they will win. What are they waiting for?

But even then, mob rule is not the way to make the law. Should everyone who 'offends' the majority be subject to arrest? That does not sound like a recipe for "moderation". Your point of view disagrees the majority in my country; should you be subject to arrest? A democracy that does not protect minority rights is just mob rule.

Despite your claim about the history of "Asian cultures" (what is that anyway? Thailand, China, Turkey, India, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, Indonesia, etc., all rolled into one big generalization?), it doesn't strike me that quality of life has been so great in most non-democratic Asian countries, and it seems that democracies are much more moderate than military dictatorships. Fewer massacres, unlawful imprisonment, wars, mass starvation, economic disasters, etc. Democracy is also much more 'non-binary' -- you have to respect many different points of view.

You can't make the argument, based on fact, that military dictatorships, or any non-democracies, have been more stable, prosperous, or 'moderate' than free democracies anywhere in the world. It holds just as true in Asia: Compare the democracies (Japan, South Korea, Turkey, Taiwan, etc.) with the rest.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (2, Interesting)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620717)

This isn't a tyranny cracking down on opposition,

Depends how you view it - I'd argue that the cult of personality he has built around himself is totally fucking crazy, and not at all healthy for the nation. The military coup of the elected leader was headed by the head of the king's private council, while the coup happened it replaced television and radio broadcasting with images and pro-monarchy messages. Later, the king pledged his support to the military coup.

Also it's hard to support a guy who has made himself one of the richest men in the entire world, with all of his money coming off the resources of a rather impoverished, rather small 3rd world nation. Thai's sparse money could be used in better ways than filming 6 hour films about heroic Thai princesses, and a tradition of hefty jail sentences for insulting the king by innuendo is not doing the cause of democracy any great favors.

Citizens of North Korea supposedly love the Dear Leader just as strongly.

Re:Respect and Freedom? (1)

FuryG3 (113706) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620985)

Uh, when did you go visit? Because (I'm assuming) since you've been there the military has overthrown the government [wikipedia.org] and remains in power.

While I fully support the right of a group of people to determine how they want to best be governed (say, whether a particular act of defacement is wrong or not), I don't see how this can be achieved when the military is running the country, with no authority given to them by the people, who have no say in a possible referendum of their policy.

The reason why this is news is because it's censorship by a group who everyone (including the Thai people) is concerned will try to centralize power in their hands and not give it back (as they promised they would).

This just in... (2, Funny)

insanemime (985459) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619945)

The new Thiland government is quoted as saying because of all the bugs in open source software they will be installing Vista on all crucial government machines.

Re:This just in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620531)

True - if you can't use the computer at all, you can't mistakes on it, either.

Horror of horrors... (1)

clifgriffin (676199) | more than 7 years ago | (#18619999)

When will the madness end?????!

Touchy (4, Funny)

Tx (96709) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620009)

So am I going to get /. banned from Thailand? If I say "Hey Thailand! Your king is a doody-head!"? Will that do it?

Re:Touchy (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620105)

In Soviet Russia you would be banned from /.

Re:Touchy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620467)

No, you wouldn't. /. would be banned from YOU!

Come on, how long have ISR jokes been on slashdot and you still get it wrong? Sheesh!

Breaking News.. (4, Insightful)

madsheep (984404) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620023)

WHO CARES?

Ok so it's censorship and we should all care as we are "free." However, that wasn't really my point. This is hardly news. What do you expect from countries like this. For a place like Thailand banning YouTube is hardly their worst crime. Let's take an example from a week ago that was in the news. Main Jailed for 10 Years for Insulting King [express.co.uk] -- ok and we care about them blocking YouTube? I think there's a tons of worse things they do. Blocking YouTube is probably making them more productive if anything. Not saying it's not wrong or outrageous.. but in comparison to other things that go on there.. it most certainly is.

Re:Breaking News.. (1)

otacon (445694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620077)

I was thinking the exact same thing. Who cares about YouTube...10 YEARS FOR SPRAY PAINTING...are you kidding me...that should be the real topic of discussion whether it's nerd news or not.

Re:Breaking News.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620341)

No, No, you're both wrong. This is /., the *real* issue is: "is the same government that earlier this year slammed open source software for being useless and buggy." DOH! WTF! "We begin bombing in five minutes." [typepad.com]

Fucking monarchies (5, Funny)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620031)

Here [google.co.uk] are assorted images of Thailand's king. Here's [thaigov.go.th] Thailand's government website. (english) [thaigov.go.th]

Let's show them what we and the Gimp think of them throwing people in prison for 10 years for vandalism.

Re:Fucking monarchies (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620131)

If only this were Second Life, we could let giant penisses chase him.

Re:Fucking monarchies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620245)

Is a chimera or what species is that? [rootsreggaeclub.com] It could almost be human except for the wonky eye, the tiny little face, the elongated forehead and Dumbo's ears. John Merrick had nothing on this guy, someone photoshop a trunk over that pedo quarter smile [thebestpag...iverse.net] and let's see if we can't get the whole of the internets banned in Thailand.

The tradegy! (1)

insanemime (985459) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620033)

This is horrible. What will the people of Thailand do without their daily dose of teenage girls lipsyncing to pop songs? This has to be aginst the Geneva convention somehow.

Consistent (1)

spambulance (880074) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620059)

I don't defend the policy, but it's consistent with their other anti-king-defamation practices. In Thailand, tearing money is a crime because it is considered a grave insult to the king (the currency bears the king's image).

Re:Consistent (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620647)

Why don't they just convert all currency to coins? Canada is well on their way to this already. It would make tearing the money a lot harder. Besides, isn't the injustice just as bad to put a picture of the king (currency) in their wallet, and sit on it all day?

Censor the problem away (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620093)

That'll work. Until a rash of sites appear with the same clip. Or worse. Has anyone shat on a portrait of the king yet?

The best policy is probably to ignore it. If the king is so reveered in Thailand it isn't like many people will want to view the clip anyway.

Re:Censor the problem away (1)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620885)

You mean like that time with the brasilian starlet?

BTW, I saw that clip yesterday, but only because the link was on the headline of another tech blog, and mostly because every download counts when it comes to censorship.

So... (1)

CF4L (1072112) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620109)

if someone made a picture making fun of the King which was subsequently indexed by Google Image Search and made available to anyone on the internet, what would they do? Shut down Google?

"Forced its way into power"? (0, Flamebait)

Catbeller (118204) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620151)

It was a far-right wing military coup that overturned a democratic nation. If the killers in uniform were anywhere to the left of Richard Nixon, Bush would be at war with them now. Regardless, we've a full on superconservative military dictatorship throwing people in prison for ten years at a whim. Let's call a fascism a fascism. Why are people afraid of the word? Fascists. FASCISTS.

Camera Justice.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620177)

He was recorded on surveillance cameras defacing the portraits on the king's 79th birthday. Good timing after the UK camera thread......

You Tube is a fad which will expire eventually (0, Offtopic)

The Media Mechanic (1084283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620179)

I'm going to take a slightly higher vantage point and just comment on the You Tube phenomenon. I find it hard to understand the whole fascination with You Tube. It seems to me that putting video on the Internet has been around a whole lot longer than You Tube. Previously all you had to do was put an MPEG file on your web server and hyperlink to it. Sure, you had to have an MPG viewer client application installed on your system, and it wouldn't open inside of the same browser window as the page you were on. You Tube solved those 2 "problems", but I wonder if that is such a quantum leap improvement in technology ? It seems more like a simple convenience to me... In other words, I don't see how You Tube is so different or amazing from any other web site / web page. Certainly I don't feel it is worth 16 Billion dollars or whatever Google paid for it.... I mean they certainly haven't made any money off of me. I have probably watched dozens of different videos and never looked at or clicked on a single advertisement. Of course this is only my opinion... Not intended to be inflammatory or a troll. So my question is... what does You Tube do so differently, that makes it worth so much in the eyes of Wall Street investors ??

Re:You Tube is a fad which will expire eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620517)

Well I think you hit on what makes it big. You just didn't include it as one of the "2 problems" that YouTube solved.

Previously all you had to do was put an MPEG file on your web server

Most people dond't have webservers. And even if they did, they wouldn't wan't to pay for the bandwidth needed for people to download movies from it. And even if bandwidth were free, no one goes to random websites looking for movies that people have posted.

Oh no he didn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620237)

Suppressing fundamental rights such as freedom of speech is one thing, but claiming that open source software is buggy and useless is down right unacceptable!

si fueris Romae, Romano vivito more; ... (1)

Browzer (17971) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620251)

vivito sicut ibi

Not as simple as that... (1)

Iluvatar (89773) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620311)

I don't agree with censorship as a "solution", but does YouTube allow any videos? If, for example, I posted a porn (legal) or child pornography (illegal) video, would YouTube refuse to take it down because that would violates freedom of speech? If certain cultures have different views (and possibly laws??) about what is morally right or wrong, are they wrong for complaining or is YouTube wrong for refusing to accept non-Western standards?

Ministry of Truth??? (3, Funny)

dasunst3r (947970) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620383)

For some reason, Ministry of Information seems 1984-ish, so answer me this: In Thailand, do browsers also keep tabs on you too?

they did what ?!!!! (1)

planetfinder (879742) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620429)

"slammed open source software for being useless and buggy."

Heinous!

Evil bastards.

Tailand should ban the internet! (1)

CatNTHat (9640) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620445)

What they need to do is ban the internet. This would solve a huge problem for hundreds of thousands of gamers of WoW and FFXI that can't stand all the RMT bots running around. Thailand and China are the worlds largest producers of the most annoying people in MMORPG.

Re:Tailand should ban the internet! (0, Troll)

dimeglio (456244) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620529)

Banning the Internet pretty much equates to banning education. Maybe it's time to return to the stone age. I hear there were less climate change issues back then.

Why the archived version? (2, Informative)

jginspace (678908) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620459)

Story links to an archived version of the Wikipedia page. What's going on there? Here is the current version [wikipedia.org]

"When Google refused to remove the 'offending' clip the website was redirected to a different page"

Oh by the way I'm in Thailand right now and YouTube isn't redirecting anywhere - it's just failing. (ISP is TTTMaxnet.)

Re:Why the archived version? (4, Informative)

cianduffy (742890) | more than 7 years ago | (#18621047)

anti-vandalism measure - if you link to a specific revision, theres no way your readers will click through on to a page with an image of autofellatio...

Thais take this very seriously (5, Informative)

Slashdot Parent (995749) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620551)

Anyone who has been to Thailand can tell you that Thais are some of the most friendly, inviting people on the planet. The country is often dubbed the "Land of Smiles" and isn't even a reference to the sex trade, for which they are also famous. Thailand is called the Land of Smiles because people are always smiling at each other. They could be in the middle of an intense negotiation or even an argument, but they are always smiling.

However, there is an exception. In Thailand, you do not insult the King. I repeat, you do not insult the King.

If you do insult the King (yes, spraypainting a mustache on him is insulting), those always-smiling Thais will stop smiling, gouge your eyes out, rip you limb from limb, slit your throat from ear to ear, and rip out all of your internal organs. When the police arrive, they will help the mob, and everyone from the police to the ambulance driver to the attending physician to the coroner to the undertaker will all swear that you died of a sudden heart attack.

I am not kidding about this. Thais take their King very seriously.

Forced it's way into power (4, Informative)

zoomshorts (137587) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620555)

I lived in Bangkok , Thailand for 4 years a long time ago.
Thailand is a Constitutional Monarchy, but it is ruled by
a Military group. There have been dozens of bloodless coups
over the years.

There IS NO FORCING THEIR WAY TO POWER, the various Military
people take TURNS running the government. Hence the bloodless
coups. Pull your head out of your asses and learn about what
you speak about.

Thailand is always taking the 'conservative' position to help
impress other countries. Such is life in the real world.

Re:Forced it's way into power (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620823)

Heh!

I used to live in Thailand, so whenever anything happens there, I get email and phone calls from people who ask if I'm worried about friends there.

I just smile - when the coup happened, I figured most people shrugged their shoulders and went about their business. The coup is an established and accepted way of power changing hands in Thailand.

We in our "enlightened democrocies" can argue that there are better ways, but, hey- it works for them!

It isn't censorship that bothers me... (1)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620657)

I wasn't shocked and appalled until I heard what they said about open source. THAT is what makes this a true injustice, my friends!

It's Like Calling Your Sister a Slut... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620687)

Here in the US, it's hard for most of us to relate to why the Thai government would take this step. Their king is universally beloved by the people. Here in the West, we're used to the skewering of our political leaders and celebreties in print and on TV, but in Thailand you'd be better off insulting a man's wife than the king or queen! Just because we've arrived at the point where we respect no one and find few things worth fighting for doesn't mean that everyone else has to follow our lead.

Should a governmental body have the right to censor material that a large majority of its population finds offensive? Should Germany be allowed to block Nazi hate sites? Should China be allowed to block porn sites? Should any country be able to block material that depicts or encourages actions illegal in that country?

I lived in Thailand for a year and though I have never seen or met the king, I helped teach English at a school he funded and have been on the palace grounds where he lived many times. I can attest that the pride and admiration they have for the king runs deep and this action by the government is the equivalent of punching the guy who called your sister a slut. It may be that the whole episode is forgotten in a few days or it may create a lifelong grudge, but action to defend honor must be taken. And if you don't think defending honor is worth punching someone in the face, you're not going to understand this move by the Thai government.

Re:It's Like Calling Your Sister a Slut... (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620769)

Actually, the best thing to compare it to, for the U. S., is insulting the Pope. Just ask Matt Taibbi [wikipedia.org] .

The King is a spiritual leader with a lot of indirect political power, much like the Pope.

Only on Slashdot... (1)

dtolman (688781) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620725)

Could jailing someone for a trivial crime be mentioned as being equivelant to the horrors of being anti-open source, when listing the sins of a dictatorship.

I can only imagine future headlines:
JUNTA DECLARES VISTA OFFICIAL OS (and also jails thousands of dissidents)
THAILAND SUPPORTS SCO and oh yeah something about opposition groups banned

More important than you think (1)

palladiate (1018086) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620961)

JUNTA DECLARES VISTA OFFICIAL OS (and also jails thousands of dissidents)
THAILAND SUPPORTS SCO and oh yeah something about opposition groups banned


You do realize that headlines like those, where the militant government comes to the defense of business and money interests at the expense of it's citizens is the very heart of Fascism? That was Mussolini's gift to the world. Does the Thai government have the big 4 qualities of Italian Fascism yet?

* Militarism? Check.
* Dictatorship? Check.
* Nationalist by force of law? Check.
* Corporatist by force of law? Check.

So, headlines like that ARE relevant, and certainly do speak to their "sins." We used to be Raid for Fascists, and killed them pretty dead there for a while. It's that "horror" of anti-open source rhetoric that makes you uneasy. It starts to fill in that last check box. More stories like that, where the government spews propaganda shouting down one company and praising another, takes this from 2nd rate military coup to 2nd rate Fascist military coup. And we've seen no Fascist government that wasn't RABIDLY expansionist.

Time to invade Thailand! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620763)

Do they have any oil we want?

This is common practise in Thailand (1)

bradavon (1066358) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620809)

Thailand for a South East Asian county has a fairly good democracy (although the coup tested this) but there is one thing you do not do and that's say anything even slightly bad against the Thai royal family, it's treated with zero tolerance. Thais simply adore their royal family so much. Nothing will anger the average Thai more.

Anyone actually located the video in question? (1)

jginspace (678908) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620873)

I suspect the video's finally been removed. Reports say it was uploaded by a user named 'Paddidda' - and that account [youtube.com] seems to have disappeared.

where's the video? (1)

lejerdemayn (823082) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620945)

anyone got a link? can't seem to find it

Re:where's the video? (1)

lejerdemayn (823082) | more than 7 years ago | (#18621015)

Get Some Perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18620963)

... and is the same government that earlier this year slammed open source software for being useless and buggy.

Get some freaking perspective. Did you not grok the more serious issue?

"In other news, Al-qaeda, while chopping off the heads' of captives said, 'Open source software is useless and buggy and filled with infidel lies.'" The Slashdot community responds--to the open software claims--at 11."

have to find another way to waste time (1)

mediocubano (801656) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620983)

In other news - the productivity of the country just doubled. Nobody wasting time on GooTube.

While shivering in my shoes (1)

mdsolar (1045926) | more than 7 years ago | (#18620997)

I strike a careless pose
And whistle a happy tune
And paint right under the nose
Of the King!

Apologies to Rodgers and Hammerstein "The King and I" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_and_I [wikipedia.org] .
--
Enjoy the Sun http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2007/01/slashdot-users -selling-solar.html [blogspot.com]

Lovin' it (1)

drix (4602) | more than 7 years ago | (#18621065)

and is the same government that earlier this year slammed open source software for being useless and buggy.
What, whuh? I realize this is Slashdot and all, but still... I mean, when equating opponents of open source with fascism, try and be a little more subtle next time.

It seems that... (1)

Kiuas (1084567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18621087)

...In Thailand, the King sprays on you(tube)!
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