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Two Major Debian Releases In One Day

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the busy-busy dept.

Debian 189

AndyCater writes "If all goes according to plan, Debian should release both an update to Debian Sarge (3.1r6, henceforth to be oldstable) and a new stable release (Debian 4.0, which was codenamed Etch) — and announce the results of the election for Debian Project Leader — all within 12 hours. Sarge was updated late on April 7th UTC, Sam Hocevar was announced as DPL at about 00:30 UTC, and preparations for the release of Debian Etch are ongoing and look good for later on the 8th."

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TWO! in one day? (5, Funny)

utexas delirium (908530) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653367)

I don't know if the Universe can withstand that.

Re:TWO! in one day? (4, Funny)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653439)

Hey if you were using FF 1.0 you'd be happy too.

Re:TWO! in one day? (1, Funny)

mgv (198488) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653471)

I don't know if the Universe can withstand that.

Definitely a sign of the upcoming apocalypse..

Michael

Re:TWO! in one day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653529)

It's about time Debian users enter the twenty-first century.

Re:TWO! in one day? (1, Funny)

arivanov (12034) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653539)

I had to check the calendar twice if it is not the 1st of April...

Re:TWO! in one day? (4, Funny)

ajlitt (19055) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653543)

If Duke Nukem Forever is announced as going gold on Monday, the Universe will suddenly cease to exist.

Re:TWO! in one day? (3, Funny)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654575)

If Duke Nukem Forever is announced as going gold on Monday, the Universe will suddenly cease to exist.
Oh no! How will we know?

Re:TWO! in one day? (4, Funny)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653683)

I'm tagging this "pigsflying" which will group it with the story about Vista being released to manufacturing.

Re:TWO! in one day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653701)

I propose a release freeze to consider the implications

Seconds anyone, Manoj can we have a vote on it ?

Re:TWO! in one day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653811)

"universe" is part of ubuntu, not debian.

Re:TWO! in one day? (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654033)

I don't know if the Universe can withstand that.
It's ok, as long as they don't cross the releases. Oh, and everybody make sure to not think of anything!

Re:TWO! in one day? (2, Funny)

Loconut1389 (455297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654375)

watching too much ghostbusters?

Careful the staypuffed penguin man might appear.

Sweet (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653373)

Openoffice 2.0
firef.. er Iceweasel 2.0
php5
life is good again.

5.0 now? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653375)

now you fucking fuckers will pay!

How much of a role did Dunc-Tank play? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653381)

Not to ask any leading questions one way or another, but how much of a role did Dunc-Tank play in this release? Did their funding help or hinder the process?

Re:How much of a role did Dunc-Tank play? (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653519)

Doesn't seem like dunc-tank has done anything since '06, I might be mistaken but here's their press release
http://www.dunc-tank.org/press.html [dunc-tank.org]

Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (4, Interesting)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653391)

I can still see 17 release-critical bugs in their bugtracker: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch [turmzimmer.net]

Have they decided to postpone their resolution until R2?

Re:Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653435)

This isn't the Debian bug tracker, dork! Btw, did you read the legend? Stop spreading FUD. Debian Etch is coming! :-)

Re:Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653469)

You do realize that it is used in an official way by Debian and is run by Andreas Barth, right? He's not spreading FUD. Dork.

Re:Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653475)

http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ [debian.org]
still 64 bugs ...
it was 56 a week ago
i seriously doubt we'll see 4.0 in at least 2 weeks

Re:Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654143)

Some explanations about how to count:

The official release-critical bug tracker[1] is still not updated to handle "versioned bug-reports". Meaning it counts _all_ open bug reports, while in reality the bug might be "closed" in the _version_ of the package in Etch but the entire bug in not closed (because it still effects Sarge and older?). So the official sources are a bit misleading.
A debian developer called "Sesse" has an updated tracker[2]. This one gives a bit better indication about the truth. Hopefully his code will be moved over to become the official version.
As also previously mentioned, Andreas "aba" Barth has his own bug tracking tool[3]. This gives a bit more information about each release-critical bug and has filtering capabilities.
All sources indicate that there are many "RC" bugs left, but using aba's tool[3] you can see that most open bug reports are security issues. Security issues will come up all the time. There is already infrastructure in place to provide security updates for the stable distribution, so there's no need to hold back the release because of these issues as they can be fixed at any time.
The few remaining issues are new bugs that has just recently surfaces and hasn't yet been analyzed. They might have a too high severity set, noone knows until they have been analyzed. This also doesn't give much reason to hold back the released, there will always be a few really new bugs that there hasn't been time to analyze yet.
All in all, having all bugs fixed looks promising, even if noone can promise that the CD-images are 100% bug-free.

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ [debian.org]
[2] http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ [debian.org]
[3] http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch [turmzimmer.net]

Regards,
fatal

Re:Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654193)

That graph does not take into account the version-tracking info associated with each bug. Try http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ [debian.org] instead. From that graph, you can see that etch has been less buggy than sarge for almost a month. :)

Re:Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654135)

The bugs tagged with 'security' are probably not important enough to delay the release. They can be fixed at any time with an update from the security team. That leaves five [turmzimmer.net] bugs, none of which seem so important that they can't be fixed for 4.0r1.

release-critical bug is not what you think it is. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654147)

They aren't bugs that will prevent the release of Etch.

They are bugs that threaten the package's inclusion in Etch.

Re:release-critical bug is not what you think it i (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654401)

Well, there are bugs in QT4 which should be included in Etch and in imagemagick which is used in tons of projects.

Blocking packages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654175)

Were there a few big bugs that kept the release from taking place, or was the problem a large number of small bugs? I know that all the bugs are listed on the page of release critical bugs, but it is hard to judge whether one bug is more difficult to solve than the other.

Re:Blocking packages (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654415)

Lots of these bugs are just small one-liner fixes, but they require testing on all supported architectures.

Great News (4, Informative)

dracocat (554744) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653393)

Seriously, this is very good news for us.

This means we can finally start buying new Dell Servers again, instead of relying on ebay to obtain servers that had hard disks compatible with the stable release of debian. For the past two years, Dell had been phasing in new Sata drivers that sarge just refused to work with, but that etch has had no problems with. Hurray! Any chance of an upgrade path so we don't have to support both sarge AND etch?

Re:Great News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653433)

Any problems upgrading from Sarge to Etch are either documented or considered release critical bugs. The ones that were RC should have been fixed, so unless you find something that the testing missed, there should be no problems upgrading.

Re:Great News (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653501)

What if I went outside of the package tree? Should I uninstall those first or will they get wiped out by apt anyways?

Re:Great News (2, Informative)

cortana (588495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654199)

It can't hurt to remove third-party packages before upgrading. You can always install them again after the upgrade. If you have a recent version of aptitude installed, you can run aptitude search '~S~i!~Odebian' to find out which these packages are. If you have the version that shipped with sarge, then comment out any third-party repositories from your sources.list, then run aptitude (which will get you to the interactive, text-mode user interface), and scroll down to 'obsolete & locally created packages', where they should all be listed.

If you don't want to remove most of the packages, you should get by OK as long as you do remove any that ship any files in /usr/X11R6/bin.

Of course, the ususal upgrade procedure still applies--read the release notes before upgrading, pay attention to the steps that aptitude says that it's going to take, don't hit enter blindly, etc. :)

Re:Great News (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653675)

Yes, it is good... Except for me the Debian newbie. I chose Debian Etch because I didn't want to run Unstable but Stable seemed too old. Testing ran fine, but what do I do now? Do I have to do anything special to stay on Debian Etch, I mean 4.0? Or is such a thing not possible.

Re:Great News (5, Informative)

pedestrian crossing (802349) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653709)

Testing ran fine, but what do I do now? Do I have to do anything special to stay on Debian Etch, I mean 4.0? Or is such a thing not possible.

It depends on your /etc/apt/sources.list.

Each line will either end with the word "Etch" or "Testing".

If it ends with Etch, then you will stay with Etch (Stable).

If it ends with Testing, then you will start getting the new Testing packages.

Probably the best thing to do is to stay with Etch for a couple of months while the new Testing settles down, then dist-upgrade back to Testing.

Re:Great News (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653807)

Thanks a lot... This helps! :-D

Re:Great News (1)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653809)

Probably the best thing to do is to stay with Etch for a couple of months while the new Testing settles down, then dist-upgrade back to Testing.

I disagree. If you're just going to switch back to testing in a couple of months, don't bother switching off of it. There's potential hazards with either route, but I think the headaches of dist-upgrading in between major releases are more likely and more significant than the potential problems with testing over the next few months.

OTOH, it sounds like you really wanted to go with stable all along, it's just the existing stable (now oldstable) was just too stale, in which case, the point is moot, since you're probably just going to go with stable for the next year or two.

Re:Great News (4, Informative)

pedestrian crossing (802349) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653839)

The reason I suggested staying with Etch for a little while is that there is likely to be some breakage in Testing as the backlog of Unstable updates move into Testing. For newbies (like the GP), this can be disconcerting.

If it's only a couple of months, the dist-upgrade back to testing isn't likely to be too big of a deal. I think Testing is the sweet-spot for the desktop, so it makes sense to be there, but Testing can be a little unstable immediately after a release.

Re:Great News (1)

micheas (231635) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654171)

Funny,

I find that experimental/sid is in the sweet spot for my desktop.

But, then I remember having cron doing a cvs pull from mozilla.org and make followed by rebuilding galeon every morning just because that made my webbrowsing the least painful

OK, ok. Grandma is still a bit confused (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654593)

Grandma said, ay? sonny? I told her

It depends on your /etc/apt/sources.list.
Each line will either end with the word "Etch" or "Testing".
If it ends with Etch, then you will stay with Etch (Stable).
If it ends with Testing, then you will start getting the new Testing packages.
Probably the best thing to do is to stay with Etch for a couple of months while the new Testing settles down, then dist-upgrade back to Testing.

and she shit her chair, I kid you not! Then I said, OK. ok. You're going back to XP. She died. I whispered "Linus", "GPL", "RMS", "free as in beer", and she has arisen. Still confused, though. I hate to strart with Grandpa. He shits his chair just sneezing.

Re:Great News (2, Informative)

Exter-C (310390) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653699)

Actually you can always use these images which include a backported kernel. They work well http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ [kmuto.jp] with opensource being opensource you can easily just make your own kernels and build it all up no problems.

Re:Great News (2, Informative)

cortana (588495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654145)

FYI, you could always have used etch's kernel 'backported' to sarge if you went to http://backports.org/ [backports.org] . Another option is Kenshi Muto's Backported d-i images archive [kmuto.jp] page.

These pages will probably continue to be useful once Etch's default kernel gets out of date; although they may not be necessary as I have heard rumours of plans to push out updated Linux kernel image packages from time to time, with point releases of Debian 4.0 (etch).

Re:Great News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654565)

Ever heard of Ubuntu LTS?

Sam Hocevar won DPL elections (5, Informative)

timecop (16217) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653399)

Sam Hocevar [zoy.org] won the Debian Project Leader election by 8 votes over Steve McIntyre

obligatory Simpsons quote (1)

Krunch (704330) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653781)

I, for one, welcome our new DPL overlord.

Re:obligatory Simpsons quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654421)

I for one, demand a recount!

Re:Sam Hocevar won DPL elections (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654293)

Here is a picture of our new Debian overload (whom I, for one, welcome), Sam Hocevar, puzzling over the latest bug [zoy.org] .

MOD PARENT DOWN (-1, Offtopic)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654403)

Umm, did any of the mods notice that the parent is a GNAA troll with bad karma, and quite a bit offtopic?

woohoo!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653405)

Finally, I can upgrade to XFree86-4.3 :))))

Re:woohoo!!! (2, Funny)

cortana (588495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654165)

Left the upgrade from woody a little late don't you think? ;)

the devs must be observing passover : ) (5, Funny)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653411)

western nations base their entire diet around bread, so passover takes a huge chunk out of nerd diets (i know first hand), so to compensate for the scarcity of kosher food, they must have guzzled more caffeinated beverages.. thus resulting in the warp speed rush to 4.0 ..

well that's at least my theory : D

List of Etch release parties (4, Interesting)

Tyndareos (206375) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653419)

If you would like to celebrate the release of Etch, check out if there's a party planned near you or throw one yourself :)
http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyEtch [debian.org]

Foo Country (1)

itomato (91092) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653473)

See you all in Foo City!

BYOFB! (Free Beer/Foo Beverage)

2010/01/01

The Wow Starts Now! (5, Interesting)

Jazzer_Techie (800432) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653443)

Cue the:
Two releases in one day! This is like a turtle suddenly accelerating to lightspeed. It should shut up the people who say the Debian cycle is slow! Good thing they've nearly caught up to Windows; only 2.0 more versions to go!

In all seriousness, this stable came out over a year more quickly than 3.0 -> 3.1. That's nice to see. I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.

Re:The Wow Starts Now! (3, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653465)

over a year more quickly
Ouch. You hurt my brain, you bastard.

Re:The Wow Starts Now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653483)

Debian isn't slow, Debian releases when it's ready. This isn't true about Microsoft yet though! 8)

Kinda OT (2, Interesting)

systems (764012) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653511)

But I can't help but to think, life is changing

Distros are not a hot topic anymore
where are all the debate about the best distro
or the best desktop environment

the source based vs binary based

where is gentoo where is mandriva where is slackware

The distro arena kinda became dry, or it matured I dunno

Is it time to really standardize linux?

Haiku day? (1)

jtolds (413336) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653665)

Distros are not a hot topic anymore
where are all the debate about the best distro
or the best desktop environment

where is gentoo where is mandriva where is slackware
The distro arena kinda became dry, or it matured I dunno
Is it time to really standardize linux?

Linux haiku fun
Debian is number one
Apt-get what you want
Stolen from http://www.allyourbase-arebelongto.us/node/24 [allyourbas...elongto.us]

Re:Kinda OT (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654461)

where are all the debate about the best distro

It finished when user friendly distros based on Debian and with Apt became available...

In all seriousness I still remember (at the time of Red Hat Linux 8) that the "Debian" distributions was very criticised. Does anyone remember the "Lesbian Linux" parody?, and the Teletubbies parody of Mandrake (not that they have changed their style =oP)

Sources please? (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653551)

I hate to nitpick, but is there any actual evidence that Etch will replace Sarge as stable today, or is this just unsubstantiated rumor?

Re:Sources please? (2, Informative)

jeffreymsmith (579150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653613)

See the draft etch release timeline [debian.org] . Looks like the release should be Sunday/Mondayish.

Re:Sources please? (1)

mvdwege (243851) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653745)

Strong indications, I'd say that the release will happen today, or within three days at most.

Yesterday I installed a new box in our home using an Etch netinstall disk, and found out after the install was ready that the /etc/issue file now referred to 'Lenny' instead of Etch.

Mart

Stop nitpicking. Time to party, dude... (1)

msauve (701917) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654341)

Some people think it's party time [debian.org] , anyway.

finally, sid and testing can get moving again (4, Interesting)

phrasebook (740834) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653575)

For me there is nothing exciting about the stable release itself. The real significance is that all the new stuff backed up in experimental can start moving into sid, then into testing again. Debian should have a way of branching testing and making a release out of that branch, rather than bringing the whole thing to a halt while a release gestates.

Re:finally, sid and testing can get moving again (2, Informative)

BJH (11355) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654007)

You're misunderstanding the purpose of testing - it's there to help stable be stable, not to help sid be more.. um... unstable.

Re:finally, sid and testing can get moving again (1)

phrasebook (740834) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654169)

I know what the purpose of testing is, but that's just not how most people see it or use it. testing is the ideal happy balance for most Debian users and releases mess that right up.

Re:finally, sid and testing can get moving again (2, Interesting)

mcubed (556032) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654311)

For many Debian desktop users, testing, under normal circumstances, represents the sweet spot of desktop distros: just timely enough, just stable enough; not as fast-moving or susceptible to breakage as Sid, not as hopelessly dated as stable. As a rule, not a bug-ridden as distros based off Sid (Ubuntu, etc.). Those circumstances change, however, when Debian goes into release-mode. And in Debian, releases take months to complete. Testing stagnates, at least from the point of view of those of us who normally prefer it to the other options out there. IMO, Etch is more outdated than I'd like and has been for a good four months or so. It may not be the purpose of testing from the Debian Project's POV, but that's the use many Debianistas make of it. Personally, I would be thrilled if the next time someone decides to derive a new Debian-based distro, he versions off testing instead of unstable.

Re:finally, sid and testing can get moving again (1)

pklinken (773410) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654129)

I think they'd rather see their developers make the packages in testing ready for release.

Re:finally, sid and testing can get moving again (1)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654469)

Yeah that's exactly my sentiment. Every time my testing updates slow down in their rate, I know that a release is coming. After the release, development heats up again and I will have new toys to play with. It also means I can cut a few unstable/experimental tags from /etc/apt/preferences.

Re:finally, sid and testing can get moving again (1)

gmack (197796) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654563)

The downside to that idea is one of the reasons Linux no longer has an unstable branch. With two separate branches it's more fun working on the cutting edge new stuff rather than spending time working out bugs in the old.

With all new work grinding to a halt it forces developers to fix the bugs in the old before working on the new.

Re:finally, sid and testing can get moving again (4, Informative)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654587)

If you want all that then it's already available and the branch is called Ubuntu [ubuntu.com] . Even better is that it is stabilized and releases are made every 6 months.

Congratulations to the Debian team (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653597)

FUCK ISLAM

Yeah, with a pig's dick. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653625)

Fuck them Islamists.

Please have them... (1)

regexes (1043434) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653641)

update their news [debian.org] ... or have I overlooked it somewhere?

cold day (1)

webmind (715974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653651)

I hear there is 2 souls for the price of one, on the devils iceskating track :)

Tags (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653661)

I wonder if the "holyshit" tag is appropriate here.

AMD64 (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653673)

Any word on when the updated AMD64 version will come out?

Re:AMD64 (1)

pedestrian crossing (802349) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653859)

Any word on when the updated AMD64 version will come out?

Etch includes AMD64.

Re:AMD64 (1)

AndyCater (726464) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653867)

AMD64 / EM64T is in Etch as a fully supported part of a stable Debian release.

Re:AMD64 (1)

lgftsa (617184) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653977)

AMD64 is in etch by default.

Now I get to downgrade two Sun x4200 machines, and do a clean stable install on a new pair. Here's hopeing that the SAS RAID is recognised as sda rather than sdi. GRUB was not happy!

Re:AMD64 (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654183)

FYI, if Grub guesses the correspondance between the order of drives-seen-by-Linux and drives-seen-by-BIOS incorrectly, you can correct it by editing /boot/grub/device.map. See http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/ Device-map.html [gnu.org] for more info.

I have abandoned any hope that we will ever see PCs migrate off the shitty 20-year old architecture that makes this timewasting crap necessary. :(

Duke Nukem Forever! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653689)

Debian Etch? How about Duke Nukem Forever? If Etch is out, I expect DN4ever out soon now too! Ok, sure, I switched from the pre-release version of etch to Ubuntu (Edgy Eft) about 2 months ago, having seen the stories about the new Debian being available possibly as late as November, then December at the latest, then ......(time passes), the first week in April? The next version of Ubuntu has a hard deadline of the 19th of this month.

Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653693)

In other news, continental drift advanced 4 meters along several fault lines today and a whole new species of chimpanzee evolved in Africa. Scientists expect the Earth passed through a space-time anomaly. The crew of the USS Enterprise is waiting for Wesley to explain everything.

Article? (4, Funny)

gringer (252588) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653813)

How can I not read the article if there's no article avaliable to not read?

Where's the actual source for this posting? (4, Informative)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 7 years ago | (#18653969)

I can't find anything on the Debian site itself...

Re:Where's the actual source for this posting? (1)

AndyCater (726464) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654225)

The source is a brief comment from me - which kdawson redacted. Preparations for release are continuing - .iso images are being built and "stuff" is happening. 3.1r6 was released late last night, as planned and on schedule. .iso's for that should be built after Etch's formal release. Various minor changes have already taken place - the last bit is the big final check and symlink switch over. oldstable -> sarge, stable -> etch, testing -> lenny. On past form, the website news may lag slightly, though this is not intentional. There will be support for sarge for a period - upgrades should be (relatively) seamless.

Re:Where's the actual source for this posting? (1)

AndyCater (726464) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654397)

It's been pointed out that it's a good idea to read the release notes BEFORE upgrading in place. There may be kernel changes, daemons need to stop/start and a recommended procedure is in place to try and make this as painless as possible. READ THE RELEASE NOTES BEFORE BLINDLY UPGRADING PLEASE :) Did I mention release notes? They're cool you know and they can save you some time/worry/frustration. There are release notes provided, please use them ... :)

Debian Etch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18653999)

Just checked all the US Mirrors, All are currently in Archive Update mode Recieving/Pushing Etch.

The ISOs for Etch are already out there... (4, Informative)

jafo (11982) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654003)

Re:The ISOs for Etch are already out there... (1)

Punch-Drunk Slob (973904) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654209)

How's the debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso different from the standard CD-1?

Re:The ISOs for Etch are already out there... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654359)

It installs Xfce instead of GNOME as the desktop environment.

Re:The ISOs for Etch are already out there... (2, Insightful)

cortana (588495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654389)

It installs XFCE instead of GNOME by default.

In tribute of this momentous occasion (4, Funny)

mushadv (909107) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654091)

Hell and winged pigs have collaborated in an effort to simultaneously freeze over and fly. Unfortunately, Satan's poor planning concerning the sequence of these events has rendered the high temperature conditions of the pig launchers devastatingly unsuitable for the hopeful swine. Meteorologists the world over predict a torrential rain of bacon.

Congratulations Debian! (2, Interesting)

Respect_my_Authority (967217) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654103)

Ah, Etch is finally out the door and it's time to start tracking Lenny. Congrats to all you developers whose amazing skill and hard work ensures that debian stays my favourite distro!

Sam Hocevar had this year the most interesting DPL candidate platform, IMHO. Not that my opinion matters 'cause I'm not a developer myself and, hence, not qualified to vote. Also, it doesn't look like the DPL would have much power to change things. Best of luck Sam -- this time next year we'll know how good you are in herding cats. And don't forget to write those regular DPL reports you promised in your platform.

BTW, does anyone have any idea why so many votes were rejected in this year's DPL election?

Re:Congratulations Debian! (1)

ct1972 (814272) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654273)

A lot of votes (267) got rejected. It seems that the accents in one candidate's name caused some problems with broken mail clients and the GPG signing. That didn't, as far as I can see, affect the outcome in anyway since most developers had plenty of time to recast their vote if it was rejected, and the problem was well discussed on the debian-devel mailing list. The announcement was at http://vote.debian.org/2007/vote_001 [debian.org] .

Re:Congratulations Debian! (1)

tbtkorg (889141) | more than 7 years ago | (#18654419)

Congrats to all you developers whose amazing skill and hard work ensures that debian stays my favourite distro!

Thanks for the gracious welcome.

Sam Hocevar had this year the most interesting DPL candidate platform, IMHO. Not that my opinion matters 'cause I'm not a developer myself and, hence, not qualified to vote. Also, it doesn't look like the DPL would have much power to change things.

If one may ask: why does it not look to you as though the DPL would have much power to change things? Or maybe the question is better put: what sorts of things did you have in mind to change? (The questions are asked, not to dispute your post, but for information only.)

Default setup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18654185)

And of course, default desktop environment includes E17.
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