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Hacker Replaces iPod HDD With Flash Memory

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the and-now-i-can-drop-it dept.

Hardware Hacking 125

Via a Wired Blog, an anonymous reader wrote with a link to a post on the Geek Technique website. There, post author Mark Hoekstra details how to replace an iPod's HDD with flash memory. It's not an inexpensive procedure, as 16 Gigs of flash memory is still a mite expensive, and the post is not a 'how-to'. Just the same, the project took painstaking work and is well worth recognizing. "I guess I can say I found ways of eliminating almost every hard drive out of almost every hard drive based iPod thereby eliminating all moving parts. The only one left is the iPod video which would only need a slightly different adapter. But next to that I've got a gut feeling that one's being upgraded to flash memory by Apple themselves any time soon."

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Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (3, Insightful)

catbutt (469582) | more than 7 years ago | (#18659931)

What is the point?

I suppose its impressive from a technical point of view, but isn't the point of hacking generally to do something you couldn't already do by just selecting a different model?

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (3, Insightful)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#18659953)

The point is that he is selling his adapter to people who want more battery life or skip protection out of their video iPods.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (3, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18659977)

Not just battery life and skip protection, but reliability. No moving parts means less damage due to jarring motions.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (4, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660071)

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660497)

I hadn't realised until I saw that image that Apple apparently have some sort of partnership with Hewlett-Packard in production of these gadgets. Maybe I've just been living in a barrel. :-|

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

linuxci (3530) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660909)

For a while there were HP branded iPods, not any more though

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (2, Informative)

Piazzola (965798) | more than 7 years ago | (#18663585)

Good thing, too. I got one (as a gift; wouldn't have picked it out for myself) and while it was still an iPod and therefore totally decent, I couldn't get Apple support for it when it went wonky, and HP support was crap, like usual. I can't wait for this one to really die so I can justify going and getting myself a new one.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18661011)

If you look at the images, the bullet didn't touch the hard drive. The portion of the iPod that was struck is actually mostly empty save a plastic piece that holds the "hold" switch in place. The HD itself occupies the lower... oh... 95% of the actual iPod. So it's not actually changing anything, besides it was the metal on the back that did most of the stopping in addition to the vest behind it. I've taken apart my 2nd gen to try and replace a few parts, but could never get it working sadly.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (2, Interesting)

alisson (1040324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18662119)

The point is that he is selling his adapter to people who want more battery life or skip protection out of their video iPods.
Stop using a jackhammer while listening to your iPod. No, seriously, it's not easy to make them skip. And if you simply must listen to your iPod while jack-hammering for more than 20 hours straight, and don't mind having a rather limited hard-drive, why not just get a freaking nano? They're cheaper, with a longer battery life, and already have a flash drive.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#18662507)

You can't watch video while jackhammering with a Nano, sheesh.

RTFS (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#18663573)

The point is that he is selling his adapter to people who want more battery life or skip protection out of their video iPods.

Didn't the article say that the one iPod model the guy hadn't yet managed to hack the hard drive out of was the video iPod?

Heck, didn't the Slashdot story submission say that?

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18659967)

The highest capacity iPod made by Apple is the 8gb nano. This guy has twice that amount.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18659981)

8 gigabit? Ouch... oh, you mean GigaBytes Highest capacity Nano maybe... Apple has and 80 GB iPod Video.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660063)

highest capacity flash-based iPod, jackass.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (2, Interesting)

dmsuperman (1033704) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660395)

Not to mention since he put a flash based drive in there, he could probably put one of those 32 or 64GB flash based drives in it. If I had to guess, the three biggest problems with iPods are the screens, hard drives, and batteries. Eliminate one by buying a batter pack, and replace the HDD with a solid state drive and you greatly reduce any risk of problems with your iPod.

iPod Mini (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660465)

I haven't checked out dimensions or costs yet, but this would be a nice way to increase the usefulness of my 6GB iPod mini. Yes, I know I could just buy a higher capacity model, but I can't really afford it.

On second thoughts, on that last criterion, I should probably leave it alone in case I fuck it up... :-|

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18659971)

The point of this in my opinion is that you can take your old iPod and flash base it, rather then buying a whole new iPod. Plus 16GB of flash memory is still more then the original HDD of some iPods, even 8GB of flash would be an upgrade, and cheaper then a new iPod with the same storage capacity.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

Kremmy (793693) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660859)

Problem being that it is far more complex of a task to upgrade a flash-based iPod. In the hdd-based iPods, the hard drive is a distinct component which is attached by a connector of sorts to the rest of the device. In the flash-based iPods, the flash memory is an integral part of the motherboard.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18659993)

You can't watch videos on any of the flash storage based iPods. Now, you can watch motion pictures without the moving parts of the hard drive.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

PipOC (886408) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660037)

It allows you to get more life out of an old ipod, with a dying hard drive.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660043)

What is the point?
Spoken like a true non geek! Why exactly are you on slashdot again?

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660077)

Probably the Politics section.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660095)

That explains all the freeper rejects... Still doesn't explain how they get all those mod points tho...

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660887)

By being anti-Bush, of course.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

brotherash (4278) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661315)

Anonymous Coward, I get your point. We hack because we can. But there is another deeply geeky principle that might lead the grandparent to question the merits of this hack: DRY. Geeks are lazy and most of us pride ourselves on that.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (2, Interesting)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660069)

If you must have an iPod, then yes, then the current flash based models will do music, but they won't play video, nor do they have a large enough screen for decent photos or videos. There are flash models that compete with the nano that can play video, I had a Sansa e2xx something, but it was clunky and the screen is tiny.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660481)

Does anybody have any figures for read times for flash memory vs. the disk drives? Not that I personally have any use for video, but I'm curious as to whether this is a limitation...

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (3, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660117)

Apple does make their three lines of iPods slightly different with different features. The iPod 30GB and 80GB can play video and have a 14 and 20 hr battery life respectively. The iPod nano is 2GB, 4GB, and 8GB models. These models have about 24 hr battery life. While they do have color screens, they cannot play videos. This guy seemingly has customized his iPod to be a hybrid. Twice as large than a nano but can play videos.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (2, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660127)

I stand corrected. It doesn't play videos. WTF was the point? :P

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (2, Informative)

markdavis (642305) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661273)

>These models have about 24 hr battery life Strange- I have a nano too... I am lucky to get 5 hours out of it. 24 hours? Impossible.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661971)

24 hours is the maximum battery life if you optimize the power usage. Turn off the backlighting (or set for 2 secs) and don't manually change the playlist while playing often.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660459)

I have an ipod with a physically messed up hard drive. Now it can still get some use.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#18663667)

I have an ipod with a physically messed up hard drive. Now it can still get some use.

Why not just buy a replacement hard drive?

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (0, Redundant)

Nirvelli (851945) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660509)

You must be new here.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661613)

I agree, why bother.

Besides, by this fall we'll have true video widescreen iPods (based on iPhone technology) that might include a model with all flash memory that could contain as much as 32 GB of storage.

Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... (1)

POTSandPANS (781918) | more than 7 years ago | (#18663013)

I'm pretty sure you can just buy a solid state flash based hard drive with an IDE interface. They come in 1.8", 2.5" and 3.5" sizes, just google "solid state hard drive".

How about for my laptop? (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 7 years ago | (#18659947)

I'd love to do this for my laptop. Anyone know of a ComactFlash laptop-HDD adapter?

Re:How about for my laptop? (4, Interesting)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 7 years ago | (#18659975)

Yes, I got one from NewEgg. The pinouts on a CF card are pretty close to IDE already. There are adapters that will connect your CF card to either a desktop IDE interface or to a laptop one, they have pins for both on the same card.

Re:How about for my laptop? (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660065)

Yes, I got one from NewEgg.

If this is your boot drive, do you have any sense of how is affected boot time?

how to not write a 'how to' (4, Insightful)

Virtual_Raider (52165) | more than 7 years ago | (#18659949)

I'm confused by the summary. It talks about how the article gives details on how to do it, but it's not a 'how to'. Er... huh? But back to topic, I think this is cool as a technical hack but a bit pointless unless for some strange reason you absolutely need the battery life that I suspect is the only gain. Then again, getting to know how to (but not 'how to') swap your HDD might come in handy when those flash-based HDDs come to the market at reasonable prices.

Re:how to not write a 'how to' (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 7 years ago | (#18659987)

One unexpected side effect of this mod would be a reduction in mass of the iPod, and that is generally useful if you keep it in a pocket, for example. HDDs are heavy. Also, Flash does not require spinning up, so the modded device should be somewhat faster. But I can't be sure because I don't have any iPod, either modded or original.

Re:how to not write a 'how to' (1)

Virtual_Raider (52165) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660019)

Yeah, I agree on the weight thing. Less weight and better battery life, but speed I'm not so sure. I don't own an iPod but I've used a couple and I didn't think anything about the speed at all which I would propose means it's fast enough as it is, not intrusive or noticeable. After all you play the music in real time, not to chipmunk-time-warp mode. And you seek the songs scrolling with the wheelie thingie (tm), so it's not like you would gain a lot in terms of seek-time.

Re:how to not write a 'how to' (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660053)

I don't think it's about speed. There is a durability issue, the hard drive is the weakest link on an HDD-based portable media player. As it is, there is no 16GB PMP that I've heard about.

Re:how to not write a 'how to' (1)

Virtual_Raider (52165) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660083)

True, but how big was the original HDD? That's why I was wondering what benefits one might possibly gain that would counterbalance the loss of storage space.

Re:how to not write a 'how to' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660285)

As was pointed out,the HD is the weakest link. It moves, therefore it breaks. Flash memory is also solid state, completely eliminating every skipping.

Re:how to not write a 'how to' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660435)

iPods tend to freeze up if you use the skip forward button too often, meaning you have to go back to the menu to change songs. Also, because of the moving parts of the hard drive, they tend to jostle when running and are not very durable. All these problems should be helped by switching to flash memory.

Reverse iPhone (1)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 7 years ago | (#18659997)

How long until someone does the reverse with the iPhone when it comes out? Of course, my prediction is that future models of the iPhone will do that on their own. Still. not a bad hack at all, hopefully it won't be long until flash ram fully outpaces hard drive capacity/cost.

Re:Reverse iPhone (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660029)

When the litle flash based ipods came out there was an article on how to attach it to a HDD.

With a rubber band, as I recall. It wasn't a pretty sight.

Re:Reverse iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18661137)

That article was a joke IIRC. In reality replacing flash with a hard drive is a lot harder than replacing a hard drive with flash. This is because flash is soldered directly to the device whereas a hard drive is connected through a IDE interface. An IDE interface is very similar to a Compact Flash connector so Compact Flash can often be used in place of a hard drive with just a simple adapter.

Inverse (5, Funny)

corychristison (951993) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660035)

I, personally, prefer the inverse of this hack. [uncyclopedia.org]
Go 6 second battery life!

Re:Inverse (2, Funny)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660099)

Hmmm, puts the use of Fast Forward in a whole new light...

Re:Inverse (1, Insightful)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660215)

That particular hack seems ironic. If you bought the music legally it would be worth $50,000 through iTunes. 50 grand in music on a $200 device. Also it'd take you 500 days of continous listening to play it all or two years of every waking hour. If you have to have that many illegal downloads crammed onto an iPod to prove your street creds you might want to actually check out some of those spam enlargement ads. The won't help but it'll be cheaper than the fine for all that music if you get busted.

Re:Inverse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18661769)

So now you can't have video on your ipod?

Re:Inverse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660251)

That's 6 minutes; unless you think the retail unit only has 8 minutes of battery life.

Re:Inverse (0, Offtopic)

corychristison (951993) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660415)

Whoops. Sorry. Slipped up there.
It's been a long day, and perhaps this Rum & Coke have something to do with it. :-D

Re:Inverse (1, Informative)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660279)

I hope everyone realizes that's UNcylopedia, and everything is photoshopped ;) Although this kind of hack would definately be technically possible, but a little more effort would be needed than what's shown.

Re:Inverse (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661127)

Why, no... until you mentioned it, I had no idea that the post was a spoof. I thank you for bringing it to my attention. You're a real American hero.

Re:Inverse (2, Informative)

frostband (970712) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660905)

6 minute battery life

the standard bat. life was measured at 8:00+ (more than 8 hours) and the modified nano's life was 0:06 (6 minutes)

Waste of time (2)

Wiarumas (919682) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660039)

As impressive as it might be, its a waste of time. Lets just wait a year or two before Apple makes this standard.

Re:Waste of time (4, Insightful)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660103)

Sounds like you are the one who wants to waste time--one or two years to be exact.

Finally... (5, Insightful)

teebob21 (947095) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660045)

Sure, I'm relatively new here, but it sure is nice to see a /. headline that I truly love. Did you notice the word 'hacker'? It was used correctly!

Hacking has always been about using technology to do something you normally couldn't do. The original hackers built the foundations on which the Web lives. The media and other public opinion sources have vilified all the good hackers by lumping them in with the crackers, script kiddies, and other generally nasty online personas.

Hackers continue to advance the state of technology, whether its writing new bits of the Linux kernel or by upgrading a typically non-user-servicable iPod. The article says it itself: Apple will eventually offer a Flash-based model. Granted, they might have done this themselves eventually, but if the populace starts modding their iPods to run Flash, it only pressures Apple to move forward. Think about the early case modders: Windows, lights, case paint other than beige....Now about 70% of cases I see on Newegg have windows and LEDs.

Whether Fox News wants to admit it or not, hackers will continue to drive innovation. Not MS, not Apple...

Re:Finally... (3, Insightful)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660075)

They do offer a flash version. It's called a nano. It's also smaller.

Re:Finally... (0, Flamebait)

Noose For A Neck (610324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660101)

I am overwhelmed by the urge to teabag you.

Re:Finally... (2, Insightful)

nacturation (646836) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661057)

Hacking has always been about using technology to do something you normally couldn't do. The original hackers built the foundations on which the Web lives. The media and other public opinion sources have vilified all the good hackers by lumping them in with the crackers, script kiddies, and other generally nasty online personas.
Whenever I hear "cracking" I think of removing annoying copy protection from video games. I've always seen hacking as being morally neutral. As you say, it's using technology to do something you normally couldn't do, such as gaining root access on a system or making free long distance phone calls. The word cracker seems to be an after-the-fact invention to subdivide hackers based on morality.
 

Cease using the term "HACKER"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18662137)

We all need to cease using the term "hacker" despite what it originally meant once upon a time long ago. The term has been successfully hijacked by the media and now is associated with evil by virtually the entire non-techie public.

I propose from now on we should always call someone who accomplishes such a technology feat as a "clever engineer" instead.

Not exactly hard (2, Insightful)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660061)

I'd be impressed except that compact flash is electrically and programatically compatible with the ATA spec *by design* so replacing an ata hard drive with compact flash requires only mating the two physical plugs.

Re:Not exactly hard (4, Informative)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660183)

From the article, the 1.8 inch drive is not pin for pin compatible with ATA/CF. Pinouts for both are listed in the forum.

This makes not exactly hard into not exactly easy.

Re:Not exactly hard (1)

slashdot.org (321932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660951)

From the article, the 1.8 inch drive is not pin for pin compatible with ATA/CF. Pinouts for both are listed in the forum.

This makes not exactly hard into not exactly easy.


Hehe, or you could just buy a 1.8" flash drive [nextwarehouse.com] ...

I know, I know, not nearly as l33t. And of course CF is still a lot cheaper, so if the guy's intent is to actually produce this adapter it may be worth the proof-of-concept stage. Of course there's a good chance that one of the companies that make these sort of adapters will pick it up and start building them for $0.99 each.

Re:Not exactly hard (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661007)

I know, I know, not nearly as l33t.

Also not as much capacity. The linked page lists 2, 4 & 8 Gig model flash drives. The hack is a 16 Gig model.

CF is definately cheaper. A quick search turned up 16 Gig CF cards for $234
http://www.flash-memory-store.com/16gb-compact-fla sh.html [flash-memory-store.com]

The 8 Gig flash drive on the other hand is $382. It is over $100 more for half the capacity.

Apple don't already have a 16GB Flash model. (1)

Mr EdgEy (983285) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660091)

They have the 8gb Nano but no higher.

Useless (0, Troll)

OakLEE (91103) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660151)

Less storage then a regular size iPod. More than twice the cost of two 8GB iPod nanos. Other than for the sheer sake of proving it can be done, why is this hack impressive again?

Re:Useless (2, Insightful)

Sitnalta (1051230) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660277)

It's only a matter of time before larger capacity cards come out. And it's only a matter of time before they become dirt cheap. Just because it isn't very practical now doesn't mean it won't be in the near future.

Re:Useless (1)

Anarchitect_in_oz (771448) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660563)

The sort of thing that will bring the price down is wide scale adoption, which your really only going to get if someone like Apple or another big company starts to use them in a shipping product.
They'll always be buying at greater scale which will get them better terms than a single buyer.
So by the time it is practical Apple likely to have the puppies in iPods anyway, and it'll still be more expensive to hack one together.

It's interesting that it has been done, but not sure it's really a great suprise.

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660421)

All too often hard-drive based iPods fail after being dropped on the floor. However, iPod nanos (with flash memory) survive dropping and even being run over by a car [arstechnica.com] . So for durability purposes, it would be much nicer to switch to flash memory in your existing HDD iPod.

Re:Useless (2, Interesting)

jfuredy (967953) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660441)

Less storage then a regular size iPod. More than twice the cost of two 8GB iPod nanos. Other than for the sheer sake of proving it can be done, why is this hack impressive again?
Well, for one thing, he got you and many thousands of other people talking about it and thinking about it. That's how new things are learned and discovered. Trying new things and learning from them. At least he actually DID something, rather than just questioning why other people do things on /. .

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18660541)

Its not useless - It can be used as a music player.

(Hope this helps)

meme strikes again! (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660669)

Less storage then a regular size iPod. More than twice the cost of two 8GB iPod nanos. Other than for the sheer sake of proving it can be done, why is this hack impressive again?

So, I guess what you're trying to say is that... for use in a Video iPod, this flash memory HD replacement is not adequate... in space? [slashdot.org]

The correct put-down (1)

BeerCat (685972) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661045)

"Less storage then a regular size iPod. More than twice the cost of two 8GB iPod nanos. Other than for the sheer sake of proving it can be done, why is this hack impressive again?"

No, no, no. It goes like this:

Umm... So? (-1, Troll)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660165)

Ok we have normal Ipods will 20 gigs of space, Ipod vidoes with 40 gigs, and Ipod nanos with at least 8 gigs of flash based space. So why should I care about this? It's basically hacking to hack. Which is cool and all, but utterly pointless. This is like saying "windows XP now can emulate dos correctly because of XXX" well that's great news but dosbox has already offered us near perfect emulation of Dos on XP.

So exactly why should we care about this considering the high prices of flash memory (and the low price of HDs). Hell do this in reverse, getting me the ability to connect my new 500 gig HD to one and I might be interested. (not likely, but still more useful)

Re:Umm... So? (2, Interesting)

sarahbau (692647) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660551)

Do you think everyone runs out and buys the newest iPod as soon as it's released? There are tons of people out there with 4GB Minis, and 10-20GB 2G and 3G iPods that this would actually be a storage upgrade for, not to mention reliability improvement and increased battery life. All of the models I mentioned have hard drive based storage, which is by far the most likely component to go bad due to it having moving parts. It also means you can't really jog with these models due to skipping. I suppose you also can't skip with one of them due to jogging. 8GB Compact Flash cards are under $75, and $16GB cards are just over $200 and dropping fast. I'd consider replacing my 10GB iPod's drive with an 8GB flash drive if I used it for jogging or wanted longer battery life (I only use it in my car).

Cheap iPod mini (2, Interesting)

canadiangoose (606308) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660169)

I had an iPod mini that was stolen a couple of years ago, and I've wanted a new one ever since. With this hack I can buy a broken one used (and cheap) and put in a couple of gigs of flash myself. Cool. I'm not looking for something that hold too much, no videos or anything. As a plus, I can upgrade it as flash prices drop. Sweet!

Give me a break... (0, Troll)

djupedal (584558) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660511)

"Just the same, the project took painstaking work and is well worth recognizing."

Hardly...reminds me all too much of those car magazine titles "How to Spend $10grand and turn your 89 HP Honda sedan into a 92.4 HP Honda screacher!!!"

I don't get it (0, Troll)

tubbyman (729773) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660595)

Is this what nerds do instead of have sex with their girlfriends? No girlfriend? No problem. Trade in some of that flash memory for a store-bought girlfriend, and you still might have enough money left over to buy a new flash-based nano or shuffle....and /. : what's up with your captcha image? You might as well just ask me to guess what number that you are thinking of, because it's gonna take me hours to figure out what the heck that image is supposed to spell. Well, several seconds anyway. I'll never get those seconds back, you know?

Re:I don't get it (0, Redundant)

daddyrief (910385) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660935)

Somewhere, a lonely bridge awaits the return of its troll...

the real question is.. (0, Flamebait)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660671)

why would you buy an ipod video - their fucking crap. tiny screen anyone? no wide screen? buy yourself a pda with n extra battery and a mobile hdd, it'll cost a shit load less and be 10x better.

More iPod Hacks (3, Informative)

wehe (135130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18660689)

Hacking the iPod [repair4player.org] and modding other portable media players [repair4player.org] seems to be an interesting hobby for computer nomads. The Repair4Player project lists all kinds of repair, upgrade and hacking guides for portable players.

Is there such a thing as an MP3 player ... (1)

aeschenkarnos (517917) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661005)

... into which can be plugged a standard USB flash disk, to serve as the MP3 player's drive?

Re:Is there such a thing as an MP3 player ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18661285)

I've seen at least one, which actually was a car-based one that is powered by a cigarette lighter and IIRC transmits the audio over FM so you can tune into it with your car radio.

There are however, lots of MP3 players that have SD card slots, which will save you a lot of space over a USB stick.

Re:Is there such a thing as an MP3 player ... (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661987)

Do you mean like this? [provantage.com]

He wants to make these adapters? (2, Informative)

FuryG3 (113706) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661203)

They already exist! [gizmodo.com] $25 for one that supports one flash card, and $30 for one that supports 2. :)

Re:He wants to make these adapters? (1)

lhaeh (463179) | more than 7 years ago | (#18662159)

Those won't work as they are for laptops, for ipods it would need a smaller, female connector. I do recall seeing a laptop-ipod connector around though, maybe that combined with a gender changer would work.

Re:He wants to make these adapters? (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 7 years ago | (#18662675)

Those are for 2.5" hard disks. The iPod uses a 1.8" HDD.

The point is (1)

bradavon (1066358) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661851)

Ipods have much bigger screens to Ipod Nanos and those stop at 8Gb. Not that it would interest me Ipods are the fisher price of MP3 Players anyway, they look nice and are easy to use (you can't fault them there) but technically there are superior MP3 Players out there. I fail to see how modifying hardware you own is hacking though. He's not breaking the law by doing this, just his own warranty.

Re:The point is (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18661919)

Not to make fun but it's easy to tell that you're new to the "scene".

Cracking, for the most part, is the illegal aspects of hacking.

Hacking, among the geeks, is normally a term for tinkering or modding, regardless if it's software or hardware. It doesn't imply a state of legality since crackers are hackers in their own right.

Re:The point is (1)

freedomlinux (1072142) | more than 7 years ago | (#18662281)

I fail to see how modifying hardware you own is hacking though.

Way to go! Thank you for applying the stereotype that hacking is always the malicious modification of someone else's hardware or software.
There is also a legitimate reason for hacking on your own system, which is used to add functionality to an existing product for experimentation or functional use.

Re:The point is (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 7 years ago | (#18662725)

Hacking means to make something do something it wasn't necessarily intended to do - "pushing the envelope" in wanker-management-speak. Are you confusing the term with "cracker", meaning one who illegally gains access to computers they aren't allowed on? The media certainly makes that mistake on a frighteningly regular basis.
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