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Celebrating the HP-35 Calculator With a New Model

CowboyNeal posted about 7 years ago | from the high-tech-slide-rules dept.


An anonymous reader writes "Hewlett-Packard last week announced a contest whereby HP-35 fans create and submit videos of their favorite calculator memories. HP will choose the best videos and you can win a 50-inch, high-def plasma TV. But everyone wins, because HP this summer will debut a special new calculator model. The details aren't announced, however, it's likely to be a 35th anniversary edition of some sort."

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New model, huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670201)

Maybe they could bring the 48GX back into production. Nary a better calculator have I ever seen.

As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (5, Funny)

The Monster (227884) | about 7 years ago | (#18670205)

I loved RPN. It was kind of like running Linux; if someone asked to borrow my calculator, they'd freak out because they couldn't find the equals key, and I'd have to explain how to use the thing.

Geeky stuff for the un-geek (2, Interesting)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | about 7 years ago | (#18670253)

RPN is pure geekiness isn't it? Wrong! Amazingly, the most popular RPN calculators are the HP11/12 which are for beancounters!

I learnt to program on an HP29C overalmost 30 years ago. 98 instructions (well keystrokes) of programming and only a few registers forced you to be pretty frugal, although at the time we thought that was pretty plush compared with the HP25 whiuch had half the memory.

As I type this, I have an HP48SX and HP28S on the desk in front of me. Great devices. My kids both use HP48s for their routine calculations & programming too.

Re:Geeky stuff for the un-geek (1)

ari_j (90255) | about 7 years ago | (#18671185)

Dude...what the heck kind of managerese is "overalmost"? What does it mean? I'm so lost.

Re:Geeky stuff for the un-geek (1)

cyclopropene (777291) | about 7 years ago | (#18671211)

Amazingly, the most popular RPN calculators are the HP11/12 which are for beancounters!
The 12's were indeed financial, but the 11's were scientific. I should know, since as I type this I have an 11c (as well as a 32sII and an old original 35) on the desk in front of me. My 11c was my first scientific calculator, I think I was 12 or 13 when I got it new. I still use it. Unfortunately the 35, which was a gift, is out of commission.

Re:Geeky stuff for the un-geek (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | about 7 years ago | (#18671415)

Yea, but nothing beats watching a Monroe-matic CSA 10 [xnumber.com] calculate the decimal remainder of a division!

Re:As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 7 years ago | (#18670259)

Hmm, I never have problems with people borrowing my calculator. Even supposed computer scientists can't figure it out.

Re:As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (5, Informative)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 7 years ago | (#18670273)

BTW, that should be "1 Enter Enter +".

Re:As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18671347)

I see the funny mod but how's that informative again? That there are two ways to add 1+1?

Re:As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18671399)

1 ENTER 1 + works just fine. Same number of keystrokes therefore there's no "should" about it, plus duplicate enter assumes DUP which is a secondary property of enter (i.e. beneficial secondary action of enter when no information is written into the edit holding buffer first). This is not bad but the same method would not work in the more common cases like 1 ENTER 2 +. But now we're getting into some fairly complex arithmetic!

Hey, Windows/Linux refugees! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670373)

The only thing more pathetic than a PC user is a PC user trying to be a Mac user. We have a name for you people: switcheurs.

There's a good reason for your vexation at the Mac's user interface: You don't speak its language. Remember that the Mac was designed by artists [atspace.com] , for artists [atspace.com] , be they poets [atspace.com] , musicians [atspace.com] , or avant-garde mathematicians [atspace.com] . A shiny new Mac can introduce your frathouse hovel to a modicum of good taste, but it can't make Mac users out of dweebs [atspace.com] and squares [atspace.com] like you.

So don't force what doesn't come naturally. You'll be much happier if you stick to an OS that suits your personality. And you'll be doing the rest of us a favor, too; you leave Macs to Mac users, and we'll leave beige to you.

Re:As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (4, Funny)

ross.w (87751) | about 7 years ago | (#18670529)

Yoda you must think like, if effectively these calculators you wish to use.

Re:As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (3, Interesting)

Majik Sheff (930627) | about 7 years ago | (#18670783)

That's why I carry my trusty 33s. I've sold many of my co-workers and associates on RPN just by running circles around them on complex calculations. They're parsing parentheses and I'm writing numbers. It is sad that yet another part of HP that made it great is all but dead. HP is dead, long live Agilent. (though I can't complain about my LaserJet 5si)

Re:As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (2, Insightful)

TheGavster (774657) | about 7 years ago | (#18671371)

This is why they developed 'graphing' calculators that just accept expressions typed as written. TI even has a line of scientific calculators now that have a single line display that handles complex expressions.

Re:As easy as 1 ENTER 1 + (1)

Petra_von_Kant (825352) | about 7 years ago | (#18671379)

Yes, sadly HP has abandoned too many good technologies. Luckily I've still got my HP67 from 1978, my HP41cx from 1984 and my HP28s from 1988, not to mention my HP Rappaport Sprague stethoscope from when I started in medicine back in 1979 (saw one for sale on eBay last week for US$600 .... went and locked mine up after seeing that).

I still use all the gear too, still have nuclear medicine programmes on cards for the 41 and 67 although I tend to use the Nuclear Medicine and Clinical Chemistry plug-in module on the 41 more. As for the HP Rappaport Sprague, fantastic clarity of chest and heart sounds, anything else is like listening with cotton wool in your ears.

One would have to suspect that they will issue a limited ed HP35 for the "surprise", but anything like the real thing (tm) would be appreciated.

"You've got a chart filling a whole wall with interlocking pathways
and reactions to shock and the researcher says "If I can just control
this one molecule/enzyme/compound I'll stop the whole negative
physiologic cascade of post haemorrhagic shock." Yeah, right."

"35th anniversary edition" (4, Interesting)

AirLace (86148) | about 7 years ago | (#18670213)

Wouldn't it be great to see an innovative new calculator design from HP to mark the 35th anniversary rather than a re-hashed "special edition" of some classic design?

Re:"35th anniversary edition" (3, Interesting)

AstrumPreliator (708436) | about 7 years ago | (#18670303)

Well as far as I know they've shut down [hpcalc.org] their calculator division. So unless they opened a new one somewhere else I doubt this will happen.

Re:"35th anniversary edition" (5, Informative)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670719)

They have introduced several new models since closing the ACO. They have a pretty small staff right now, but they are producing. Manufacturing is handled by Kinpo, and R&D is handled by Cyrille de Brebisson. Bernard Parisse, author of the 49 series CAS, is no longer an employee but he is still developing new software, such as a recent geometry app for the 49/50 series. And many of the other former ACO employees are still active on comp.sys.hp48.

Re:"35th anniversary edition" (1)

280Z28 (896335) | about 7 years ago | (#18670341)

Why can't we have an anniversary edition of the 32S/32SII? Considering where things went after they stopped production of those, the last thing I want to see is some "Innovative new calculator design." Scientific calculators definitely hit their peak in 1991 followed by a giant letdown from the only company that figured out how to make real calculators (in 2002, HP discontinued the 32SII). :(

The state of calculator development? (2, Interesting)

cgenman (325138) | about 7 years ago | (#18670811)

Can anyone update an old timer as to the state of calculator development? When I was getting out of these things, it looked like TI and HP were going to have a duel to the death. With color LCD's on the verge of availability and the Power PC line of low-power chips set to overtake the world, it looked like a bright future of powerful visualizations.

Fifteen years on, it looks like the high-end calculator market has all but been abandoned to mathematica. Prices for the calculators haven't budged a dollar, while the price of all of the components have dropped to next to nothing.

Who is still making these things? Who, if anyone, is still competing?

Re:The state of calculator development? (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670933)

I think TI won the duel simply because a high-cost, high-quality approach like HP used made it difficult to successfully market new calculators with new features. If you paid a premium for your HP and the keys still don't bounce after a decade or more of use, it's hard to go out and buy a new one unless there's a pretty compelling reason. If you buy a TI, you'll probably have to replace it within 3-5 years whether you want to or not.

Wrong calculator (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670217)

Bring back the hp11c

Re:Wrong calculator (4, Interesting)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670239)

No, Bring Back the 15c! [hp15c.org]

Seriously, the 15c's features were a superset of the 11c's features, with the exception of the register allocation scheme. But they can do that however they want these days.

Re:Wrong calculator (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670301)

Ah, didn't know that about that one. If i'm in the need to buy another i'll look into it. I have used my 11c for something like 20 years, then my laptop bag with it inside was stolen last fall, and trying to get another one cost the insurance copy about $400...

Re:Wrong calculator (1)

Jazzer_Techie (800432) | about 7 years ago | (#18671345)

Absolutely! I really want one of these. I switched from a Ti-83+ to a HP 33s when I got to college. But wait you say, from a graphing calculator to a scientific one? Surely that's a downgrade. I wouldn't consider it so, mainly because anything that I need to graph is complicated enough to need done via computer. I can do basic calculations on the 33s faster than I ever could on the 83+. (If you don't believe that, then you've never taken the time to master an RPN calculator.)

I have a professor who still carries around a 15C in his shirt pocket, and I lust after it. It's small and landscape. I never even thought about how much more natural a landscape calculator feels until I got to try it one day. You can use both hands, and everything is placed really well. The insides seem to be pretty cool as well. For homework one week our assignment was to reverse engineer its numerical integrator. Anyways, I really hope I'm able to get my hands on one at somepoint. Unfortunately, they still go for hundreds on eBay, which is certainly a testament to just how good a calculator it is.

Let's see an updated 48GX (2, Interesting)

El Cubano (631386) | about 7 years ago | (#18670225)

But everyone wins, because HP this summer will debut a special new calculator model. The details aren't announced, however, it's likely to be a 35th anniversary edition of some sort."

I love my HP 48GX. I'd love to see an updated 48GX with a faster processor and more memory. Mine is 11 or 12 years old and I still like it better than anything that has come since then, including all of TI's offerings which many schools prefer. With all the advances in semiconductor technology, you could pack a lot more memory and performance into the same package. Hopefully we won't have to wait for a 48th anniversary edition.

Re:Let's see an updated 48GX (5, Informative)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670261)

Get a 50g. The only downside compared to the 48 series is the lack of a large enter key. Otherwise, they have everything you have dreamed of: 75Mhz ARM9 processor, 2.5MB flash, SD slot, IR, USB, and serial comm, a CAS that is almost as good as a desktop app, and they can draw power from your computer via the USB cable. C compiler provided separately [hpgcc.org] .

Re:Let's see an updated 48GX (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670413)

It is truly a great upgrade from the 48 series.

It's the 49G+/50 (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | about 7 years ago | (#18670405)

The HP48 keyboard layout was pretty good. Though the 48Gii,49G+ and 50 are a lot faster, the keyboard has been stuffed up. Now there's the small Enter/= key instead of the "proud to be RPN"-sized Enter key that was on the 48 and previous RPN devices.

Re:Let's see an updated 48GX (1)

DilbertLand (863654) | about 7 years ago | (#18670527)

Yikes, looks like the going rate for a used 48GX on ebay is $150-200. I'm glad I have a spare one tucked away if my main one ever actually dies. Of course I'd still be willing to pay that much if mine needed replacement.

Re:Let's see an updated 48GX (1)

ekgringo (693136) | about 7 years ago | (#18670967)

If you have a Palm (especially one with the larger high-resolution screen like the Tungsten T3 or TX), there's the GPL software Power48 http://www.mobilevoodoo.com/power48.htm [mobilevoodoo.com] . You choose the calculator emulation of a 48SX, 48GX, or 49G. Choosing to emulate either of the 48 models gets you the large ENTER key that RPN purists seem to prefer. Unfortunately soft keys are just no substitute for those honest-to-goodness hard buttons.

Just a satisfied user, in no way affiliated with Power48.

Re:Let's see an updated 48GX (1)

Martix (722774) | about 7 years ago | (#18671093)

Before I logged on to /. I was just doing some math on my trusty 48GX

How ironic .... this story / thread is here

TI (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 7 years ago | (#18670269)

Someone other than TI makes high end calculators that people buy?

Wow, I must be really ignorant, but because every school across the country seemingly pushes TI use in school, I didn't think people used anything else.

Re:TI (4, Insightful)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670345)

...because every school across the country seemingly pushes TI use in school, I didn't think people used anything else.
I don't see how one implies the other. What engineer would take a high school teacher's calculator recommendation at face value? Public schools use TIs because TI markets to the teachers. Ten years ago, all engineers used HPs because HP marketed to engineers and professionals. Then Carly Fiorina took over and killed the HP calculator business for a few years. But they are now back in the game and developing new models that are once again very good products. If you can be bothered to learn RPN, you will never buy TI for yourself again.

Re:TI (2, Funny)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 7 years ago | (#18670705)

What engineer would take a high school teacher's calculator recommendation at face value?

One that was brainwashed by growing up using Ti calculators in school.

Re:TI (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670757)

It wouldn't be the TI calculators that do the brainwashing. They aren't that bad. The real problem is that public schools do not encourage the development of critical thinking skills, and thus do not enable students to question their teacher's stupidity. That also happens to make most high-school grads incapable of becoming engineers. These days, the unlearning of bad things and the learning of simple things (like handling units) take up so much time in college that many students never catch up enough to really learn anything.

Of course, those who do manage to get an "engineering" degree are pathetically dependent on their TIs as a crutch. (something I've never seen happen to an hp user...)

Re:TI (2, Informative)

bm_luethke (253362) | about 7 years ago | (#18670905)

You will almost never convince someone who has not used an HP in a job what you wrote - TI's worked fine in school so they should everywhere else.

My father is a land surveyor, he and the engineers he works with have lamented for ages about the lack of good calculators. They treasure their hp48's and 41's like a child. Most have several stockpiled. Many also grew up using TI's, but once they found the "older" HP's none ever looked back. I prefer my old 48 over my 49, but I sacrificed it to my father's business since I mostly use it for calculating stats in video games now (while I use plenty of math, as a software engineer it tends more towards stuff that isn't calculator based and the 49 does just as good there).

TI's break from field usage, the keys wear out fast, and the software available is almost 100% geared towards high school and universities - not the real world. Sadly the newer HP's do also - although I understand that they are trying to make good calculators again. A person who has spent time with an HP will run rings around someone with a TI on almost any calculations - in the real world you do what is fastest/best even if it needs a learning curve, not that that which is easiest. Especially true in the engineering world. Over a 30 year career that makes WAY WAY more money, "long term" in a university setting is a semester.

Re:TI (3, Interesting)

pyite (140350) | about 7 years ago | (#18671381)

A person who has spent time with an HP will run rings around someone with a TI on almost any calculations

It's been a few years, but I remember in things like physics labs where you have to do a lot of number crunching, all of my lab partners would always plug along dutifully on their TIs while I would have done the calculation twice (once and then a double check) using RPN on my 48GX. I don't use a calculator much anymore, as MATLAB tends to be quicker for the things I need to do, but whatever HP lacks in computational power, it makes up for in efficient syntax.

Re:TI (1)

280Z28 (896335) | about 7 years ago | (#18670359)

TI makes graphing calculators. Anyone who's spent a decent amount of time with an HP scientific calculator would agree that there was never a comparable product from another company... not even close.

Re:TI (3, Interesting)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 7 years ago | (#18670395)

Wow, I must be really ignorant, but because every school across the country seemingly pushes TI use in school, I didn't think people used anything else.

Back in the day when HP still made calculators, everyone else -- TI included -- played second fiddle. HPs were the premier pocket (or belt-loop pouch) calculator from the early Seventies to the mid nineties, more capable, more durable and more desirable than TI, Casio, or any other pretender.

Too bad they abandoned the market and now only sell rebranded units from Asia. Check http://www.hpmuseum.org/ [hpmuseum.org] for the complete history of the HP calculator.

Re:TI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670539)

> Wow, I must be really ignorant

Nah, not ignorant - probably just young!

Back in the day (70's, 80's) there was HP, and then there was everything else. HP's were *the* calculators to get for engineers. Other makes were for the MBAs and other such types. My 41cx, purchased in early 84, was a damn near miraculous device in its day.

Nowadays, with yer rock'n'roll and yer fancy-shmancy Linux computers you can fit in your shirt pocket, it might be a different landscape for handheld computing devices...

Probably the 41CV (1)

ewhac (5844) | about 7 years ago | (#18670281)

I think it may be the HP 41CV, which was essentially a pocket computer in calculator's clothes.

Personally, I'd much prefer seeing a re-issue of the HP 11C or 15C. Landscape layout (great for two-handed use), compact, RPN, and lasted forever on three button cells.


Re:Probably the 41CV (2, Interesting)

ClosedSource (238333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670343)

I'd like to see a programmer's calculator like the 16C but with an alphanumeric display and programming capability like the 41CV. After programming the 41CV with the alphanumeric display, I couldn't stand scrolling through a program on the 16C and having to map numeric keycodes to functions.

Re:Probably the 41CV (1)

The Phantom Mensch (52436) | about 7 years ago | (#18670443)

I'd love to see a 41 series reissue. That was my college calculator. Of course it'd have to have a new battery module. I haven't seen N type batteries since that calculator went bye-bye. These days you'd use a cell phone battery that'd last a month on one charge.

Re:Probably the 41CV (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670507)

They won't re-issue the 41. There would not be enough of a market for the expanability. Here's to hoping they release a beefed up 42 with IR and/or USB. Or a 15c. I don't really care, as I would buy both in a heartbeat.

FYI, the 42s was essentially the 41cv sans expansion slots, but with a 2 line dot matrix lcd and a much thinner package.

Re:Probably the 41CV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18671437)

"Personally, I'd much prefer seeing a re-issue of the HP 11C or 15C."

I agree. My 15C got legs years ago (and a 16C, but that was no great loss). All I have left is an 11C and it's display is failing (contamination creeping from the upper right corner). I use it frequently, even with the bad display. Newer calculators are either too much, too little, or not as well layed out.

My calculator is....... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670295)

my computer

I do integrals in my head. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670613)

You, sir, are my bitch.


xtal (49134) | about 7 years ago | (#18670323)

Hello HP;

I am among the last in a long line of engineers who have been lucky enough to be exposed to the OLD HP. The HP run by engineers, that made great test equipment, and calculators. The HP that made great calculators with excellent tactile feedback. You know, one of the only reasons to USE a dedicated calculator.

My HP48GX was purchased in the summer of 1994 before I started my electrical engineering degree. It followed me through every exam and project I have done since and proudly sits on my desk today where it continues to be used daily. I own a 48G I boughts as a spare; and happily run the emulators you have so nicely provided the ROM for, including on my very speedy Palm T3.

I also owned a great HP35, and a HP100LX that I used daily for years. All of these devices had the great, tactile response keys and indestructible construction.

So please, for the love all that is holy and good in the universe, do not make another fisher price calculator. Please make another quality business calculator, and PLEASE consider making an updated version of the best engineering calculator that ever was - the HP48GX.


644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670793)

The 50g is anything but a fisher price calculator. I have a [dead] 48gII and a 50g, and the improvement in quality is (obviously) like night and day. I do believe they are done with the crappy keyboards of recent years.

Also, they never stopped making quality business calculators. The 12c has been on the market continuously for more than 25 years.


johncadengo (940343) | about 7 years ago | (#18671431)

Hello HP;

You really are an engineer: you've greeted HP through a comment via Slashdot.

I remember the HP-35... (1)

SiliconEntity (448450) | about 7 years ago | (#18670339)

I remember when the HP-35 came out. It was the cover story in (I think) Popular Electronics magazine. It was incredible, an entire slide rule in this small electronic device. It could do trig functions, roots, powers, all to enormous precision. My mouth watered, but I was in high school and it was like $300, which would be more like $3000 today. My friend and I used to bike over to the local university bookstore, where they actually had one on display, and you could punch the buttons and everything.

I never got an HP-35, but later when I was in college I bought an HP-45, the upgrade to the -35, and it served me well for my years.

Bring back the HP-16C! (1)

billnapier (33763) | about 7 years ago | (#18670363)

http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp16.htm [hpmuseum.org]

I need a calculator that can do hex, and shifts, and bitwise operations. I mean I love my TI LCD Programmer [datamath.org] , but I really miss the shift operations...

Re:Bring back the HP-16C! (1)

corsec67 (627446) | about 7 years ago | (#18671325)

The Sharp EL-9600C has a mode where it does math in Binary, Octal, Decimal and Hex, ... at the same time. It is the only good feature of that calculator, which is quite slow other wise, but it does have a touch screen.

fun with a calculator (1)

revolu7ion (994315) | about 7 years ago | (#18670383)

If you turn your monitor upside down there's a secret message below!

710 77345


That's about as good as it got for me.

Re:fun with a calculator (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670553)

did you mean:


Re:fun with a calculator (1)

mykepredko (40154) | about 7 years ago | (#18670631)

The one we did in High School:

"If Betty goes out with 5001 men and charges each one $7, what is she?"

The answer is the product and looked at upside down.


41cx! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670417)

The HP41cx was THE best calculator ever made by humans.

Nothing before, nor after, touched it, IMHO.

Anybody else remember the PPC ROM?

Slashvertisement Alert! (1)

rm999 (775449) | about 7 years ago | (#18670423)

"But everyone wins, because HP this summer will debut a special new calculator model."


mod 0p (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670505)

OpenBSD wanker Theo It was f0n. If I'm

RPN (3, Funny)

ross.w (87751) | about 7 years ago | (#18670515)

I never got the RPN hang of

Re:RPN (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18670773)

Shouldnt that be:
I never (Enter) hang the (Enter) RPN (Enter) of got

Re:RPN (4, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | about 7 years ago | (#18670875)

Wow..... you just made me realize that RPN is essentially the Latin grammatical syntax applied to math.....

(For the uninitiated, Latin sentences typically go: Subject -> Direct Object -> Verb (with an indirect object optionally thrown in before or after the DO))

Alternatively, rearrange the phrase as you'd hear Yoda say it.

Re:RPN (2, Informative)

ari_j (90255) | about 7 years ago | (#18671249)

You should have picked a language with strict word order rules. Latin is one of the most flexible languages out there in terms of word order. However, the more common word orderings from Latin seem to have become rules in some of the Romance languages. For instance, 'te amo' in most of them where there are probably 12 ways to order the words for the same sentence in Latin. ;)

crud! (1)

TinBromide (921574) | about 7 years ago | (#18670551)

Gah! My grandpa was a civil engineer and after he passed, we went through his personal belongings, among them was a non-working hp-35 final model (i realize this now from the pictures on a link in the original article).

Had i realized that it was such a landmark calculator, i would have stowed it away for tinkering later, instead i thought it was like the ti-36 of a previous era and its either in the trash or in a box in the back of a storage locker.

What about the HP-16C (1)

onescomplement (998675) | about 7 years ago | (#18670575)

I hold in my hands my cherished HP-16C that soldiered through many an assembly language and C implementation, not to mention device drivers. I would think that to a computer type, this might have more meaning.

And it is also 25 years old, according to the calculator museum site.

http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp16.htm [hpmuseum.org]


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I've both the 35 and 45. (1)

Chris Tucker (302549) | about 7 years ago | (#18670623)

The 45 is the daily use calculator. There are few things in this world that approach perfection. The HP-35 and the HP-45 are among those few things.

Sure, I could use PCalc [pcalc.com] on the Macintosh. I've got the free version that came with a set of OS install disks. It's a damn fine application.

However, the HP-45 is right by the keyboard. And I can operate it with my left hand and enter the results into the Mac via the keyboard keypad with my right.

And it's faster than invoking and using PCalc, too.

Who gets my HPs is in my will. I honestly expect both calculators to outlive me. And I'm only 57.

(Still looking for the hard leather belt holster for the 45 to go along with the hard leather belt holster for my Pickett slide rule.

Yes, I am that geeky!)

Please do it right... (1)

AetherBurner (670629) | about 7 years ago | (#18670657)

No fancy slanted keys, prettyprinting, funky colors, just pure vintage rugged HP calculator - molded in keylabels, silicone-in-the-plastic keys, 100% useful. I have a HP-32SII and had an HP-41 that was smashed to pieces (R.I.P.). I would love to see the feel and ruggedness of the HP-32SII and more power than the HP-41. Yes, I still have a good ol' reliable Post slipstick to use and teach with.

Re:Please do it right... (1)

tropicflite (319208) | about 7 years ago | (#18670963)

Why is everybody hating on my 33s? It's really a nice little machine, with only a couple of little caveats. The chevron key layout is perfectly usable, and the keys do give that nice tactile feedback. The biggest complaint (the radix size issue) has been fixed. I concede that I wish it had the double size enter key, but really, it's not that big a deal. The two line display more than makes up for that. For $50 on amazon I think it's a great deal, especially considering your only other choice for a new rpn calc is the 50g ($75 more and much bigger) and we all know how ridiculously high the used HP's go for on ebay.

The sad truth is... (4, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | about 7 years ago | (#18670667)

The sad truth is that the world just doesn't have much use for calculators, any more. The world is too busy worrying about who the Next Top Model is.

Re:The sad truth is... (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18670821)

The not so sad truth is, no matter what happens, the world will eventually start throwing large sums of money at the people who can use an HP calculator, because they will be the only ones capable of keeping modern society (Internet, bridges and skyscrapers, airplanes, etc.) from falling apart.

Re:The sad truth is... (1)

poopdeville (841677) | about 7 years ago | (#18671365)

Yes, the personal computer is not a more powerful, extensible tool than a pocket calculator. The C standard library can't do everything your HP can. Nevermind a specialized package like MATLAB or Mathematica -- they can't touch your HP.

Re:The sad truth is... (4, Funny)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | about 7 years ago | (#18671453)

The sad truth is that the world just doesn't have much use for calculators, any more. The world is too busy worrying about who the Next Top Model is.

Yeah, I remember the Golden Era that was the 70s and 80s. All the cool people would whip out their calculators periodically and do some quick computations. Then we'd relax and watch all that stimulating television like Three's Company and Miami Vice. When we'd really want to get crazy, we'd calculate WHILE we watched Happy Days!

-sniff- The good ol' days.

HP 35C set the direction for my life (3, Interesting)

MykePagan (452299) | about 7 years ago | (#18670761)

In maybe 1974 my dad, a Civil Engineer bought an HP 35C. Even though it cost a fortune (in those days), he let his 10 year old son (me) play with it. I remember being so impressed with it that it cemented my impression that HP was THE company to work for, if you were an electrical engineer.

18 years later I joined HP.

15 years after that and I'm still at HP. It's not the same place that it was in 1992, but then again what place is? I'd still rather be here than at the other computer makers, but the software and services companies are where the real action is now. Unfortunately, few of them seem to have that same "engineer's company" feel that HP did back in the day.

FWIW I don't blame Carly, though I didn't like her either. It was inevitable, with commoditization of the hardware.

My favorite calculator isn't the HP (1)

Kuciwalker (891651) | about 7 years ago | (#18670769)

Rather, it's a GNU Octave window. Really, what can beat that? And on the occasion that I need to do something symbolic I pull out a TI-89.

Only 35 years?? Pah! (1)

spagetti_code (773137) | about 7 years ago | (#18670825)

My day to day calculator is an HP-14b [hpmuseum.org]
50th Anniversary Limited Edition!, with the waaayyy coooool SWAP key. Talk
about turning it up to 11!

And it doesn't rely on that arse-backwards RPN crap either.
HP did include an INPUT button to make engineers feel at home, although why
engineers would want a calculator with:
- time value of money
- return on investment
- inventory turnover rate
is beyond me.

(dons flame suit anyway because poking at beloved RPN
is dangerous around here)

I love my 11c! (1)

xlation (228159) | about 7 years ago | (#18670939)

I might be tempted by a 15c, but I have thought for
many years that the 11c is the one true scientific calculator

What's the point? (1)

johansalk (818687) | about 7 years ago | (#18670979)

Why would one want such a calculator when you can have a PDA?

Re:What's the point? (1)

pyite (140350) | about 7 years ago | (#18671333)

Why would one want such a calculator when you can have a PDA?

Because while you are recalibrating your digitizer and taking out your stylus to tap emulated keys, I will have already entered the RPN statement twice, once to run it and again to double check it.

Old ad... how quaint! (1)

zanderredux (564003) | about 7 years ago | (#18671011)

Google pointed me to this [decodesystems.com] , where HP introduces their "electronic slide rule".

From the ad:

The HP-35 Shirt Pocket Calculator lets you make complex calculations like this one approximately five times faster than with your slide rule... with 10 place accuracy... and without a scratch note!

The HP-35 took 60 seconds to compute the formula shown on the page and it cost $395. $395 in 1972!

When I look at stuff like that I appreciate how computing has come a long way. Except for the Pentium bug.

Re:Old ad... how quaint! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18671503)

Don't forget, the HP-35 had a bug too! If you pressed 2.02 ln e^x, you got back 2.00 instead of 2.02. They had to mail replacement offers to all the registered owners. Of course, they didn't have any good way to test the accuracy of their algorithms because mainframes didn't offer as much precision as the HP-35 had, so they had to compare with published tables and hope for the best.


The big question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18671253)

Has somebody ported Linux to it yet?

Give me a solar powered HP with RPN (1)

johnny cashed (590023) | about 7 years ago | (#18671361)

Like a 11c, 15c, or a 32sII. Ok, I can do without the solar, but I've always wanted a decent RPN calculator that I do not have to get batteries for.

Not that it is a big deal, all the HPs I've owned that ran off the button cells had excellent battery life.

Don't skimp on the keys. Even the later 32sII had printed keys.

Finally it makes sense... (2, Interesting)

Ardipithecus (985280) | about 7 years ago | (#18671501)

Do the numbers as you wish, but,

I, for one, welcomed our new hp overlords

1973, Jr. year (OMG!), Florida (yes, the Gators)

$300 very hard earned real dollars went into the hp-35, maybe (judging from house and car prices) $3-5k today) and about the best money I ever spent

As they say, it let me concentrate on concepts rather than number crunching; within a year everyone had one (or the awful TIs) and engineering (and science) would never be the same. Take offense if you must, but RPN users are smarter.

Followed by a 67, 25, 21, 41, 28, 48 (G and GX), 49 and recently another 21, for the collection. They all work. By now I use a 48 and only do basic stuff, with smarter (always hire smarter people) young engineers doing the hard stuff under my possibly wise direction

We worked with hp on several tweaks; an admirable co. and group of guys.

If the surprise is a gold plated hp-35, I'm in line. What will you young guys see in 35 years, post singularity?

To quote the now prehistoric Grateful Dead: "What a long strange trip it's been"

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