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Wii Shortages Could Last For Months

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the get-with-it-big-n dept.

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Next Generation is reporting that, apparently, the Wii shortages could continue for some time yet. This is news from Nintendo's Perrin Kaplan, Nintendo's VP of marketing and corporate affairs, speaking to the Game Theory Podcast. Says Kaplan, "There is a lot going on behind the scenes in terms of working on what we are producing and the numbers continue to rise but the product is so very popular that we may see a supply / demand situation last for some time. We are at absolute maximum production and doing everything we can. The number of units that we have been able to produce has far exceeded our hardware production in the past and the production levels of a lot of our competitors but demand continues to be really high."

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my wii isn't short (-1, Offtopic)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691435)

but it does last for a long time.

That's nothing (-1, Offtopic)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691465)

My goddam wii shortage has lasted since puberty.

Not a big deal... (3, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691505)

... it's only going to be a bit Wii late. :P

Re:Not a big deal... (2, Insightful)

JordanL (886154) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691623)

A statement from the VP of marketting on hardware production and logistics?

Call me crazy, but seems like Nintendo is manufacturing hype at this point.

Re:Not a big deal... (4, Insightful)

CogDissident (951207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691713)

You do realize, its the VP of marketing's JOB to tell us crap, the VP of hardware production and logistics should be out there making us more Wii-s.

Re:Not a big deal... (2, Funny)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691729)

Well they have to manufacture something! It's obviously not gaming consoles.

Re:Not a big deal... (3, Insightful)

Floritard (1058660) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692483)

It's easy to jump to that conclusion but is there really any precedent from Nintendo specifically for something like that? IIRC, the only sort of consumer-physological maneuvering from Nintendo in the past would be the vaporware SNES-CDrom addon that was announced supposedly just to screw with Sega. I've heard that actually became Sony's PS1 and the big N didn't release it b/c Sony wanted more action than they were prepared to give them. I could be getting this wrong. Other than that the only evil corporation type nonsense from Nintendo with which I've had a problem would be their attitude towards emulation (outright calling it illegal), a relatively benign thing in itself. Sony with its rumored strong-arming of vendors concerning their support for the Dreamcast around the launch of the PS2, amoung other things more recently, and MS's countless trespasses over the years are another story.

I'm not a Nintendo fanboy (Wii is my first system from them in like a decade), but they seem relatively honest to me, even to the point of hurting themselves competition-wise. I can remember the president of Nintendo actually kind of whining at one point about people's lack of interest in the gamecube in favor of the more "realistic" games of the xbox/ps2. That was an honest statement embarrassingly devoid of spin. At the end of the day, I would think they would simply want to sell as many systems as they can. Don't believe the Gamestop FUD. Besides, if I hadn't just happened upon a Wii a few weeks ago on a random visit to Blockbuster of all places, I might never have gotten one. My interest was, as I think many people's has been, waning rather than building, what with the difficulty of procuring one of the damn things. I just don't think the shortage is really helping sales, especially if it is going to last for months more into the future. I don't think it's intentional.

Re:Not a big deal... (4, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692993)

N certainly earned its share of negative karma. You're dead on about the SNES CD with Sony, but they also broke the cardinal rule of Japanese business and partnered with Phillips (a non-Japanese company) as a 2nd try to not be caught with their pants down on the transition to CD games.

Also in the day, Nintendo didn't let 3rd party companies release too many games per year to avoid them from overshadowing 1st party title release volume so you find things like Konami releasing games until the Ultra label and other oddities.

Then you have stock-fixing at stores where they'd be denied the newest most-in-demand SNES games unless they also stocked a bunch of tepid Game Boy items that simply weren't selling.

Right now there are no saint video game company players. But, I think Nintendo took it on the chin enough with the sales of N64 and Gamecube that they know they gotta be on their best behavior.

Re:Not a big deal... (1)

JD-1027 (726234) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692559)

You are crazy!

Re:Not a big deal... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18691649)

... it's only going to be a bit Wii late. :P
Wow you completely fucked that one up. Should be 'Wii bit'. What's a 'bit Wii'? It turns your TV either all black or all white depending on how you move the mote?

Taking the p***? (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691849)

Are all these shortages the reason I keep hearing small children in my local supermarket yelling "Mummy, Mummy, I need a wii!"?

Redundant? (0, Offtopic)

Doctor Faustus (127273) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692359)

How can the first post be redundant?

Xbox here I come (-1, Troll)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691529)

Well, I suppose I will buy myself an Xbox 360 then.

Valid argument, not a Troll (0, Redundant)

paladinwannabe2 (889776) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692029)

If you can't find the thing that you want (at reasonable prices), you settle for the next best thing. If I couldn't get a Wii I would seriously consider an Xbox360. It's not like a Wii is the only console with fun games on it.

Wii want to play (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18691563)

NOW!

Typo? (1)

danbert8 (1024253) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691577)

Could???? I think the article meant "HAS". I just want a Wii, is that too much to ask for?

Re:Typo? (0)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691607)

is that too much to ask for?
Yes, yes it is.

Re:Typo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692833)

You are confused about the difference between the past and the future. "HAS" refers to the past. "Could", in this case, refers to the future. The article is not merely stating that there have been Wii shortages, but that you should expect that in the immediate future (next few months) you should expect that there will still be Wii shortages. Now do you see the difference?

I got mine today (1, Redundant)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691581)

Mine arrived today and I can see why it's so popular, my only "problem" is it's difficult to see how "normal" games will work on a wii unless they use the gamecube pads.

Re:I got mine today (1)

yroJJory (559141) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691733)

I didn't buy a Wii to play "normal" games. I can do that on my PS2 (assuming it feels like reading the disc). I got a Wii because the games are fun!

Re:I got mine today (4, Insightful)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691735)

Mine arrived today and I can see why it's so popular, my only "problem" is it's difficult to see how "normal" games will work on a wii unless they use the gamecube pads.

It's quite simple actually... the Wii is not made for "normal" games. If you want to play "normal" games, get a PS2 or a PC.

Re:I got mine today (1)

archen (447353) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692637)

I'm not sure why you got modded as a troll since it's true. The entire idea behind the Wii is to change the way gaming works (for nintendo). Personally I'm waiting for the game company that gets so fustrated with trying to put a square peg in a round hole via porting a ps3/xbox to the Wii that they just insist that people buy a wavebird

Re:I got mine today (4, Insightful)

CogDissident (951207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691773)

Use the nunchuck as a movement joystick, and the remote has 2 easy access buttons (1,2) and the nunchuck has 2 (c,z), along with 4 menu buttons (up,left,right,down arrows) and two option buttons (plus,minus).
Not terribly many games use more than 4 quick access buttons, and 6 menu buttons. A few, yes, but not really that many.

Most games do use just one joystick, unless its a FPS game, which traditionally use two, and you can see why the Wii won't need two joysticks.

Re:I got mine today (1)

moranar (632206) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691973)

You could always get this [amazon.co.uk] , you know.

Re:I got mine today (5, Informative)

DreadSpoon (653424) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692317)

"Normal" in what sense? Keep in mind that the entire idea of a controller with a thumbpad on one side and buttons on the other didn't exist until Nintendo came along. I'm sure people then were also skeptical on how "normal" games would be played. ;)

The Wii-mote can be turned sideways, and in that respect can function a lot like a "normal" Nintendo controller. Super Paper Mario is one game I own that does this. Plus it also occasionally makes use of the pointing and motion abilities, too, in a very intuitive and easy to play by manner.

There's also the Wii Classic Controller, which is (as its name implies) a classically-shaped controller. While intended for the Virtual Console, I wouldn't be surprised if new games start requiring it, too. Plus, as you say, you can just use the Gamecube controllers.

While I'll admit that needing to buy a Wii-mote, and then also buy additional controller parts (classic controller and nun-chuk controller) is irritating, and rather expensive, in the end it's probably a smooth idea, as it increases the number of game styles the system can support. And it's not like consumers aren't already used to buying unique controllers, such as the Guitar Hero controller or DDR mats and the like.

Re:I got mine today (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692579)

Mine arrived today and I can see why it's so popular, my only "problem" is it's difficult to see how "normal" games will work on a wii unless they use the gamecube pads.

Try Zelda for a taster. Move with the nunchuck analogue stick, Z-target, fire with A and B, and use the pointer function for fine-control of aiming.

The most 'normal' game I've played so far is The Godfather, which handles pretty much like Zelda or GTA most of the time, but starts using the motion controls when you get stuck in to hand-to-hand combat. The sheer brutality of throwing people around the room with your own hands, pummelling their face, then giving them a killing chop to the neck... it elevates the game from 'decent GTA clone' to 'utterly awesome' :-)

Re:I got mine today (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692629)

They can and do, Dragon Ball Z for the Wii uses the GameCube controller, and so will Super Smash Bros Wii. The Virtual Console games also use the GameCube controller.

Local Gamestore (3, Insightful)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691627)

I asked about the Wii and PS3 at my local gamestore not too terirbly long ago. The Wii's waiting list had been hovering around 100 people ever since it came out. The PS3 had 18 units in back waiting to be sold. Maybe fun really is more important than pretty?

Re:Local Gamestore (2, Interesting)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691777)

You seem to indicate that the PS3 isn't fun, somehow. I bought a PS3 to replace my dying PS2, and I've found it to be just fine on the "fun" factor. Is it too expensive? Yeah, it is. That doesn't stop it from being fun, though... if you call the PS3 not fun, you're basically calling the PS2, the Xbox, and the Xbox 360 "not fun", because they have roughly the same sorts of games available. What's dragging the PS3 down is not its lack of fun, but its price.

Re:Local Gamestore (5, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692183)

if you call the PS3 not fun, you're basically calling the PS2, the Xbox, and the Xbox 360 "not fun", because they have roughly the same sorts of games available.

I think that's the point: PS3s are prettier than the XBox or PS2, but they aren't any more fun. So far, it seems like they're offering the same sorts of games with better graphics. For a lot of people, the Wii is more fun than these other systems because of its novel control scheme. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit gimmicky, but it makes certain sorts of games easier and more fun. It makes people get up, move around, and make silly movements.

And so the question in some people's minds has been, "what's going to have a greater demand: pretty graphics or fun gameplay?" It's not that the Wii can't have pretty graphics or that the PS3 can't have fun gameplay, but which one sells more depends on which feature people are more interested in.

Re:Local Gamestore (2, Interesting)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692271)

If my PS2 were dying, I'd probably buy a new PS2 instead of a PS3.

Re:Local Gamestore (4, Informative)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692607)

I've only played demos on the PS3 and it certainly was fun- just not $600 worth. And certainly not more fun than my Wii for over twice the cost. Sony, and Microsoft too, both invested heavily on making their next generation systems as powerful as possible. Nintendo focused on making its system as readily fun as possible, with less emphasis on horsepower, and more emphasis on intuitive playability. So as far as the value of fun goes, the Wii is more fun, for less price. And that's why its demand is greater than that of the PS3's.

To follow this a bit further, lets talk about gaming. We have an Xbox and a Wii. I play Halo and other FPS games with my stepsons and they just flat out pwn me. A good game for me is one in which I can get 5 kills on them before they get 25 on me. (FWIW I'm even worse with PC controls.) When we played multiplayer MoH on the Wii, however, I was within only a couple of kills of them. 10-9, 15-13, that kind of thing. The controls really are that much easier to use, and that much more intuitive.

I have every intention of buying a 360 one of these months, but won't until after next Christmas since I think there'll (a) likely be a bundle with Halo 3 and (b) a price cut too boot. The chances of me buying a PS3 are pretty miniscule unless corporations pay enough money for the cycles that it will pay itself off in a reasonably short amount of time. Not that that's likely, mind you, just that that's about the only thing that I can see that would get me to spend the money.

Re:Local Gamestore (4, Interesting)

CogDissident (951207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691805)

I bought a Wii, a half dozen games, a gamecube controller, gamecube memory card, another half dozen gamecube games, and an extra wii-mote, and only just barely hit the cost of a ps3. That was the biggest selling point to me.

Re:Local Gamestore (1)

bealzabobs_youruncle (971430) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692449)

Buy an Xbox 360 and have both?

Re:Local Gamestore (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692509)

Maybe fun really is more important than pretty?

Or maybe price is a big factor.

I'm still waiting to buy a Wii too, but I wouldn't discount the cost issue for most people. Wii looks fun, and it's much cheaper than the other two choices. Double plus good.

Re:Local Gamestore (1)

Zeros (1016135) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692645)

Well the big thing is the fun/price factor, i'm sure going to space would be as it gets but its too expensive. If both the ps3 and the wii where 250$ then everyone would be getting both since they both have good games(or will have), i still find it amazing how many units the wii is selling.

Re:Local Gamestore (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 7 years ago | (#18693001)

"Maybe fun really is more important than pretty?"

It is, although pretty adds to the fun. Was it huxley who coined the term (to paraphrase him not exactly) "emotioneering"? The truth is that what games really are: Emotional and intellectual stimulation engines.

But there is no longevity in something that is pretty that has no depth. Almost all games today fall under "lacking depth" with a few exceptions because of the unfortunate skyrocketing of developing costs and development time associated with those costs.

While everyone is playing through and done with the new Halo 3, I'll still be enjoying the games like Civ 4, Alpha centauri, etc. Good games never stop being fun, thats how you know a great game from the rest of the one-shot wonders.

I can go back to warcraft 3 to this day and still enjoy how well the cheezy in-game cinematics compare to other games who use pre-renders (like RPG's) and the fact that a game like warcraft 3 compares well storytelling wise against a game like final fantasy says a lot about the game itself.

War 3 hasn't aged well in terms of graphics but I certainly have fond memories of the characters (unique art design) and the story.

Do They Really Exist? (4, Funny)

Mr. No Skills (591753) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691647)

I've seen them on TV and on the Internet. I've seen empty boxes with price tags on them in stores. I've seen demo systems behind glass running a demo.

I'VE NEVER SEEN THE WII

Does anyone actually own one and play it in their home? These things have supposedly been out since Christmas, I live in a major metropolitan area, I know lots of people, and I don't know anyone that has one or heard anyone talking about playing one. Did they only make a few dozen that were snapped up by Best Buy employees?

I don't believe the demand is there anymore - I only here people buying XBOX 360 because that't the only thing to buy.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (5, Funny)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691683)

I know a guy who knows a guy who says that his sisters boyfriends roommate has seen one at a party.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

moranar (632206) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692019)

Good God, thanks nobody invented a network protocol and called it "I pee". We'd never see the end of it.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

Raistlin77 (754120) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692231)

Good thing the Wii includes a network adapter, otherwise they might have named the external add-on a "pee-wii"...

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691743)

yes, they exist. I have one. It is all sorts of teh awesome. If the demand wasn't there there would be more on the shelves.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (5, Funny)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691751)

"I'VE NEVER SEEN THE WII"

Then you need to lose some weight, dude. You should just be able to look down and there it is.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (4, Funny)

Criffer (842645) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691921)

Here. [ctrlaltdel-online.com]

That is all.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692517)

But...but...it's a shortage. Of the Wii. Must...make...joke...

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692791)

Maybe, but what if he lost it like John Bobbit [wikipedia.org] 's incident?

Re:Do They Really Exist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692999)

i'm a girl

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

Quila (201335) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691775)

Yep, and I'm loving mine. I got mine on the first day, but I finally found a second controller/nunchuk in a store last week. Those are apparently in high demand too.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

Scorchio (177053) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692503)

I have the controller but no Wii!

Managed to get an online order in with Circuit City when they had stock at the beginning of last month. I got the bundled games and controller, but the Wii went awol during transit. Somewhere, there's a USPS working having a great time with my console. Meanwhile, I'm back on the damned waiting list.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

Rurik (113882) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691931)

The Wii's are out there. I bought one last month with only a week of searching. Use www.itrackr.com [itrackr.com] , set up the Wii as a favorite, and pay a small fee to have them email you when one comes in stock. I got a notice, called my wife, and she went down and picked it up at a local Target store.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18691991)

they exist, and I have one. I spoke to someone in GAME about the supply, he said that they've been through a real fallow period but they finally had some in store. If you really want one just ring round your local computer shops and ask if they don't have them in when they'd be getting them... or get on an order list.

Still, its a good place to be in with your products

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692007)

I know a couple of coworkers who walked into Wal-Mart and got one on launch day (no standing in line or anything). Ironically, on launch you could get one anywhere because the Wii was still an enigma and people didn't know what to expect from it. Only the hardcore Nintendo fanboys got one back then. It's grown in popularity since due to word of mouth and all the "talk" on the internet.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

joggle (594025) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692089)

Not here (in Colorado). I tried to get a Wii at 6am at the local Wal-Mart on launch day but they had already sold out. I then waited in line for hours at a nearby Target but ultimately missed it (I was 33rd in line and they only had 29 units).

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692497)

Not in upstate NY. There were lines at every store. Every single store was sold out by midnight before launch. People were showing up at the Circuit City where I was in line after they had been turned away at six stores because of the long lines there already.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692053)

I saw 1 about a month ago at Walmart and didn't buy it. I hadn't seen one before or after that one at any of the stores I go to since then. There's always PS3s available now.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692149)

We have one only because the wife was at Sam's Club and someone brought out 5 of them. The wife GRABBED one, and some guy tried to buy the other 4 but was told they limit sales to one per person. Instantly, the others were grabbed up, so, if she had been a few seconds sooner or later to that end isle, we wouldn't have one either.

Oh, and by the way, it's awesome. You should get one ;)

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692249)

My university's library has one in a computer lab. Every time I walk by it, two things go through my head: cool! and wtf?!

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

vorpal22 (114901) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692299)

I have one. I wasn't intending to engage in any drastic measures to get a hold of a Wii. During the December break, I was visiting a friend, who had bought one to resell it on eBay, but ended up making the mistake of "just trying it out". After a few hours, said that anyone who wanted it would have to pry it from his cold, dead hands. I also made the mistake of trying his out, and a few weeks of scouring online tip sites and arriving at a Toys 'R Us at 5:30 AM, I was victoriously armed with my Wii, which is just seven different flavours of fun.

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692331)

My brother in law has one, and my wife (a pure non-gamers) gave me the "Ok" to buy one because she loved it.

I haven't seen many for sale though....

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

slothbait (2922) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692389)

Just just suck at playing Wii Retail. I got mine on black friday.
I only had to kill a grandmother, and 2 college students and a little doggy too. The big N an't kid stuff.

* Goes back to playing Super Paper Mario

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

GURU Meditation 8000 (790934) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692465)

err.......yes!

I vowed that I would never pre-order a games console again...and that I would only buy one if
I could buy one when I felt like it (ie passing a shop, visiting amazon and it happened to
be in stock etc.

about a month back, local GAME store had them in. about 20 units arrived on the saturday
morning. less than an hour later (when I passed by) only 8 left in stock. They didnt have
a big crazy sign on the shop window announcing 'Wii in stock!' or somesuch. they didnt need to.
(that said, EVERY console-selling store in town has signs saying 'PS3 in stock!' - yeah, we know.
theres no rush, noones buying them. I could pop into town now and buy 40 of them from various
stores.)

so yes, they DO exist...and they are very cool. I'm awaiting a few killer games. Cricket,
Starwars....maybe even a nifty Harry Potter (use wand, use broomstick, play Quiditch in real
time - throw the ball through hoop, hit bludgers, grab snitch etc???), a Wiimote version of
f-zero might be very nice too. I've just seen the trailers for paper mario 2. whoah! freaky!

Re:Do They Really Exist? (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692847)

Columbus OH here...I got mine on launch day from Toys 'R Us. Showed up there an hour before opening. They got 150 systems, and I managed to get the next to the last one. I got really really lucky though, as most stores started getting campers the Tuesday before (system came out on Sunday). I originally went to Target, but there was a huge line. A police officer happened to drive by and said that there were only a few people at Toys 'R Us (it was hidden behind some other buildings so I guess not a lot of people knew the store was there). They handed out vouchers an hour before the store opened, and I managed to get the next to the last one (out of 150). My roommate has been trying to get one since a week after that, and noone has ever had them. When stores around here get them in they always sell out within 15 minutes, no matter how many they get.

Bullshit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18691669)

They're milking the novelty of this system for all it's worth. Are you telling me that they can't keep a system made of outdated electronics on shelves 5 months after launch? Horse hockey.

I have no doubt that the horde of Nintendo fanboys will mod this comment to oblivion, but it's no less true.

Re:Bullshit (1)

scsirob (246572) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692225)

If so, they are doing one hell of a job. I ordered mine mid-Januari, and the shop *still* cant give me an estimate delivery date. It sucks really bad...

Why would Nintendo want people to go elsewhere? (1)

Webapprentice (608832) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692929)

I don't think Nintendo is doing this on purpose. They set forecasts and set up production to meet them, and those forecasts were exceeded by a lot. They could open up new production facilities, but that would take time, and they may also be factoring that by the time the facility is ready, the demand may have waned.

It makes no business sense to suppress the supply. because every unit they sell is profitable. I'd say Occam's Razor applies: They just can't make enough to meet the demand.

Nintendo of recent years has been generally more forthcoming in their PR, so I don't think they really want people to go to PS3 or XboX 360.

why is the demand so high? (2, Insightful)

insanius (1058584) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691765)

granted, i got mine at release so this is semi-hypocritical, but i don't think the demand should be that high...

other then WiiSports, Zelda, and some VC games that any PC less then a decade old can emulate, there are no good games and other then PaperMario, which looks ok, none on the horizon either.

seriously, as of december, my wii has not been touched...the 2 360's in my house, on the other hand, are both played for hours daily and fights break out frequently over the Oblivion disc and now the GH2 guitar.

honestly, i don't understand how i can't walk into best buy and not get a wii but the shelves are packed with 360's. Is the hate for M$ really that ingrained that people won't buy it even though it is by far the best system out right now?

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691811)

No, Nintendo was able to create enormous hype. That's what happened.

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

g4pengts (1050568) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691961)

I have not turn on my Wii for months either. The next game I'm looking at for it is Fire Emblem, and that is basically a GC game on a Wii disk.

Re:why is the demand so high? (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691985)

Thats funny, I haven't used the 360 for anything other than a means of watching HD movies since I got the Wii.

I see Zelda, Paper Mario, Wii Sports, Wario Ware, Elebits - and even "crappy" wii games like Rampage are fun on the Wii. And I see nothing really worth owning on the 360 (I guess Gears of War is alright, I'll pick it up when its cheaper though..)

To me, the 360 and PS3 don't offer anything that I haven't played before - they're the exact same games I've played since the PSX era, with the exact same controller. The games are just shinier. But, the Wii offers something new.

I've played Far Cry for both, both are supposedly "crappy" titles, relative to what's out there. But the wii-mote actually works, and I found the Wii version engaging because of it.

What does that prove? Nothing. Just that different people have different tastes.

But the numbers seem to show there's more of me than you.

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#18693051)

### But, the Wii offers something new.

There have been over 10 Zeldas, five MarioRPG games and three WarioWare games before the Wii even launched, oh, and Mario, MetroidPrime and SmashBros aren't exactly new either.

### But the numbers seem to show there's more of me than you.

Last time I looked the XBox360 still had a 4mio lead to the Wii.

Re:why is the demand so high? (5, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692061)

honestly, i don't understand how i can't walk into best buy and not get a wii but the shelves are packed with 360's. Is the hate for M$ really that ingrained that people won't buy it even though it is by far the best system out right now?

Hate for MS? Are you joking? The average consumer vaguely knows MS is a cool technology company and might know they make Windows. The reason the Wii is in such demand is a series of well planned moves from Nintendo. They aimed at the casual gamer market instead of the traditional game console market. They continued their support for the younger children market. Maybe you are not understanding the demand because you are not the average buyer. The average buyer has an old console and is looking for one from this generation. They do not have two xbox 360's. The average buyer cares about price and the Wii is killing MS on price. The average consumer has seen the TV ads and the occasional article or news program commentary and what they took away from it is that the Wii is new and different with different controls and new types of games, while the Sony and MS systems are the same thing with slightly better graphics and a big price tag.

Nintendo took a big gamble in abandoning the traditional controller and focusing on a new type of gameplay. They took a big gamble in aiming at a nontraditional market. Those gambles paid off. Most of the big game developers expected them to fail and ignored the Wii as being too different from the others, figuring it likely either Sony or MS would win and they could make a quick port if they backed the wrong player. Those developers are all trying to reverse course and announcing Wii titles in the works.

I think you're right for the most part that the Wii only has a few good titles right now. That doesn't much matter to the average buyer though, because the average buyer only buys two games a year. I also think the strategic buyer on a budget, looking to the future will probably conclude that the Wii's popularity will result in it getting many of the best games a year from now. The only people it does matter to are people like you, who are going to buy several consoles and pick up a Wii anyway. You did buy one, right?

In summary, if you're looking to think hatred for MS is the cause, I only wish people were that conscious of MS's actions and that ethical and meticulous in their purchasing decisions. The Wii is winning on its merits, which are merits that don't apply to unusual buyers and hardcore gamers like yourself. Note, I am not a fanboy for any game console. I have a PS2 and an old dreamcast somewhere. I probably will not buy any current console for a year or more, or not at all. Right now, If someone gave me $600 on the condition I bought one, I'd get a Wii and a couple games and pocket the rest of the cash.

Re:why is the demand so high? (3, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692473)

The reason the Wii is in such demand is a series of well planned moves from Nintendo.

From what I've seen, a surprisingly large portion of the demand is coming from people who normally wouldn't buy a game system, or at least wouldn't put much time into trying to find one that's selling out so quickly. I've watched people who "hate video games" get hooked on Wii Sports because they're so easy to pick up and learn. I've taught people to play and they're surprised by the controls; they have a very hard time believing, for example, that the tennis game doesn't require that you press any buttons.

"So what button do I press to swing?"

"No buttons, just swing."

"Really? No! Oh, wait... really. I see. Cool."

Big smiles all around. It's almost fun just to watch other people get worked up. People try really hard to make good Miis, people jumping around to play tennis, etc. It's even fun for parties-- when's the last time you heard of a bunch of non-geeks getting together and throwing a party to play video games?

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

cHALiTO (101461) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692647)

Heh, a couple of days ago a friend of mine invited me and a few others to his apt for some pizza & beer. They've all played videogames (on pc mostly) but they're certainly not hardcore gamers. However, I couln't help giggling when I showed them Wii Sports Tennis and they kept pushing buttons when they swing (even when they knew they had to actually swing the remote, some still instinctively pressed the A button).
we had lots of fun, btw ;)

WiiSports *is* the console (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692205)

Clearly you're a gamer, so you don't understand how real people game. You've got a game maintenance cycle. If you can't buy a new game every month, you don't care about the console.

Real people are not buying the Wii to play a game every month. They're spending $300 to play WiiSports. That's it! If the console never does anything else, they still got to play WiiSports for a couple of months. The entertainment cost is comparable to going to the movies once a week.

Keep in mind that first, real people don't sit down and game for hours every day. Bringing the Wii out on Saturday afternoon is a treat. It's like Monopoly or Scrabble. This keeps it fun longer.

Real people also don't have a whole set of consoles. When they're playing the Wii, they're getting the full enjoyment of "I'm playing a videogame!" on top of "I'm playing WiiSports." You no longer have fun just because you're playing a videogame. For you it has to be either a GREAT videogame or a NEW videogame.

So all these real people are going out and buying the Wii, and guess what? There are about four times as many of them as there are people like you. The whole videogame hardware production pipeline was geared towards the forty million people who buy videogames regularly, divided among three console brands and the PC. When the wider population taps in the pipeline hits capacity fast. I guess you don't remember Pac-man. Same thing happened.

Each Wii owned by a real person will probably only run four to eight games in the next five years. Shocking, isn't it? Nintendo isn't scared of this because that's where they already were... I know I only played about eight games on my Cube, and only six on my N64. They were all great, and I haven't had time for more than that. A game or two a year is my console limit as an adult, even though I work in the field.

So think Scrabble, not Halo, and you'll get it.

Re:WiiSports *is* the console (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692411)

Mod parent +5, insightful... Best explanation I read in ages!

Re:WiiSports *is* the console (3, Insightful)

djchristensen (472087) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692797)

You saved me a lot of typing.

I would have included the following quote:

seriously, as of december, my wii has not been touched...the 2 360's in my house, on the other hand, are both played for hours daily

The demand for the Wii isn't coming from those with 2 360's who play for "hours daily", it's coming from the likes of me: father of two (ages 5 and 10) who's never owned a console and saw one that wouldn't require hours of investment to become good enough to begin to enjoy a game, and one that the kids could enjoy, too (not to mention the wife).

And boy do I feel lucky that I got one before Christmas!

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

mingot (665080) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692277)

Wow, I thought I was the only person on the planet with the same story. My daughter wanted to camp for a Wii, so we did. Played it for a week or so, and then she's back on RealGames/Playing GC games/Viva Pinata (so technically, it does get touched, just not for Wii games).

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692415)

I concur with this sentiment. I got the Wii on launch for Zelda- which is a great game, but once I had finished zelda I haven't played the wii a whole lot. Red Steel got a little play, but really the game sucks. Elebits was a lot of fun for about a week until you realize how repetitive it is. Wii Play actually has some fun mini-games, but they are over so quickly you would swear the game was developed for a hyperactive three year old with the attention span of a gnat. So overall, after zelda the Wii sat unused except for a quick VC game or using the internet channel to watch youtube videos while waiting for the pizza guy (The Wii is the only console I have in the living room, since because of the nature of the controls it's not feasable to play it in my office sitting a foot away from a small TV).
On the other hand, both the PS3 and 360 get fair amounts of play. Oblivion on the 360, and Godfather, Motor Storm, Resistance: Fall of Man, and FF XII on the PS3 all get regular play.
Of course, as mentioned, since Super Paper Mario came out yesterday, the Wii will probaby get quite a bit more attention for a little while. Only about 2 hours into that game so far, but it's quite a bit of fun.

Re:why is the demand so high? (2, Interesting)

KrazeeEyezKilla (955150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692463)

why is the above comment marked as troll? I bought a Wii at launch also and virtual console is the only reason its not completely covered in dust right now. I am a fan of the wii and I'm excited about future games but as of right now even PS3(which I am having much more "fun" with than my wii) has a better game selection.

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692557)

other then WiiSports, Zelda, and some VC games that any PC less then a decade old can emulate, there are no good games and other then PaperMario, which looks ok, none on the horizon either.

SSX Blur had a very good review in Edge [edge-online.co.uk] this month (granted only 7 points out of 10, but they never cared to explain why in the text; there, they only rave). Many people like Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 and The Godfather: Blackhand Edition. There is also Cooking Mama and Trauma Center if you are into this kind of thing.

And just FYI, Guitar Hero 3 will be out in fall (ok, that is not exactly "on the horizon").

Re:why is the demand so high? (3, Insightful)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692845)

Because in the real world, which is made up mostly of people other than hardcore gamers, the Wii gets points for being "cute" and "simple" and "cheap". All of which I've heard said about the Wii, and none of which have I heard said about the 360 or the PS3.

Yeah, there are more games for the 360. Yeah, the 360 and the PS3 have better graphics. But you know what? To the average real-world person, those don't matter. Price, "cute" and "simple" matter.

I have no loyalty to any of the consoles. I don't own any of them, and have no plans to buy any of them anytime soon. Maybe in a couple years I'll pick one of each up when the Wii is $149, and the PS3 and 360 can be found for $299 or less -- I can afford to buy all of them them now, but console gaming simply isn't worth that much money to me given how much time I'd spend on it.

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692895)

and some VC games that any PC less then a decade old can emulate...

...illegally.

Re:why is the demand so high? (1)

Mr EdgEy (983285) | more than 7 years ago | (#18693023)

You can still buy used nes/snes games at a lot of retailers. Morals come before the law with victimless crimes (i'm referring to it being illegal to download a copy of software you already own).

Re:why is the demand so high? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692951)

You know, although I'm a Wii fan, you have a legitimate point, as I'm growing a little weary of having nothing good to play except for Wii Sports and Virtual Console (Wii Play just didn't do it for me). But you bashed the Wii, so you get modded to oblivion. Sometimes I think that Slashdot should just go ahead and come out with mods for "+1 I like the Wii" and "-1 I hate the Wii" so as to better reveal the real reason you were modded down.

Oh noooeess!!!11```` (-1, Troll)

grub (11606) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691883)


That means kids may have to spend time outdoors this summer.

Snatching Defeat from the Hands of Victory? (3, Insightful)

Guntram Shatterhand, (1078103) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692025)

I get the idea that Nintendo is going to drop the ball on this. Having a hot system is one thing, but not being able to match demand for a console that your business is going to revolve around (outside of the DS) for the next couple of years while games sit on the shelves untouched because nobody can play them is sheer incompetence. If it's a game, then Nintendo is betting a lot. If they lose and people get sick of waiting, then they're going to sink. Seriously, what is the problem? They're not amateurs at this, this is their bread and butter.

Re:Snatching Defeat from the Hands of Victory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692189)

Come again? They have outsold the PS3 since launch. The numbers aren't really that close (I think almost 2 to 1). Games won't be sitting on the shelves because no one can play them. Everyone is buying them and it just so happens that even with everyone buying them, more people still want them! Now, I would be more worried that Sony is dropping the ball, because they have thousands (tens of thousands?) of PS3's sitting on shelves that NO ONE is buying. So which is worse? Selling so much of your product you cannot make them fast enough, or selling so few of your product that your out of stock competitor is doubling your sales? (BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if this helped drive DS sales too. I doubt I was the only person who bought a DS to hold him over until he could find his Wii.)

Re:Snatching Defeat from the Hands of Victory? (4, Interesting)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692345)

They can't "drop the ball on this" unless Microsoft or Sony creates their next-gen system right now with a motion-sensitive remote controller.

Nearly 90% of the "too old to play video games" age people I run into (mom, dad, uncles, etc.) say that they're interested in the Wii. My dad admitted that the reason he's interested in it is because the controller is a remote, and he knows how to use a remote. Or at least, he'd never admit that he didn't know how to use a remote.

But any other gaming platform? They wouldn't own up to the fact that they could figure out how to play games on them.

Re:Snatching Defeat from the Hands of Victory? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692403)

You, sir, are an idiot.

Neither games nor consoles are "sitting on the shelves." Being able to sell every piece of hardware you manufacture isn't "dropping the ball"; it's called success.

Re:Snatching Defeat from the Hands of Victory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18692421)

How's this a failure by any measure? They're producing more systems than ever and still can't keep up with demand. Think about that. They're producing more systems than ever. Just because you can't become a customer because of limited supply doesn't mean they have a lack of customers for their games.

I don't get it either. (1, Insightful)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692459)

I understand shortages regarding the 360 and the PS3 because of the leading edge technologies, but the Wii is essentially a Gamecube with twice the power. I don't understand where the production bottle neck is considering that the Wii represents mature technologies, unless there are production issues with the "Broadway" and "Hollywood" graphics and CPU chips.

I know the DS has been in short supply at times, but not to the extent that the Wii has experienced. People are genuinely frustrated with Nintendo's seeming inability to produce enough Wiis to fill demand and I think it might hurt them in the long run.

Re:Snatching Defeat from the Hands of Victory? (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692785)

Over 6M systems in peoples' hands in under six months is not a bad rate for early production. In fact, it's astoundingly good. The attach rate is beating the PS3 per system sold, let alone in overall game sales.

I don't think they're dropping the ball; I think they're just not juggling quite as fast as we'd like.

Re:Snatching Defeat from the Hands of Victory? (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 7 years ago | (#18693009)

However, after 6 months they should understand what the amount of demand is, and increase their supply accordingly. What the article says is that they are still looking for ways to increase production. IMHO after 6 months they should start implementing a plan to increase production, not still be looking for one.

I got me a Wii... (2, Informative)

Mizled (1000175) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692235)

The idea to getting a Wii is to keep calling your local game stores everyday. Game stores are getting them in and selliing out the same day. You just have to find out what days they come in and get down there and buy it.

I work a 7 - 4 job and on my lunch break I would call all the local stores...within a week Gamestop got a couple Wiis in and I went on my lunch and picked it up.

You can get a Wii...it's all about how bad you want it. =p

Re:I got me a Wii... (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692475)

The idea to getting a Wii is to keep calling your local game stores everyday.
Unfortunately, by me, the stores are sick of that. The BestBuys have a recording that plays when you select the game systems dept on your phone. It goes something like "We don't have any, and please stop asking our employees; they don't know and woudln't tell you if they did." When I (or one of my friends) call one of the local gamestops they act like jack-asses for a few minutes, then stop laughing and tell us to stop bothering them.

I got mine from eBay 1-2 weeks after launch. I paid way too much, but didn't mind. It's definately a fun system.

Don't Worry, It's Just Perrin (1)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692303)

With Perrin Kaplan, you have to pretend every day is opposite day... because the things she say [joystiq.com] have a nasty habit of turning out untrue.

Wii shortage *snickers* (1, Funny)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692363)

I thought we'd already learned from trustworthy media such as South Park that Japanese men have a chronic wii shortage...

My Wii hunting rotation. (1)

Churla (936633) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692395)

I've had one since Mid January. When I decided to get one I made a rotation of the local best buys (2 of them), then local circuit cities (1 of them), and the local warmarts (3 of them),plus 2 gamestops.

On day 7 of making a rotation driving to each one I got the Wii, at a WalMart. Notably it was a WalMart we refer to as "GhettoMart" because of the neighborhood it's in. It's also the leader in "shrinkage" for the area (i.e. more stuff gets stolen from it). I don't know if that was a factor in some way, but that's where I got mine.

Rly? (0, Flamebait)

pauloncall (1087179) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692671)

I went with my fiance to Costco on the release date where we each picked up the $340 ($357 w/tax) Costco Wii Bundle (Wii + Zelda + Excite Truck). One was for me and the other was for resale. I tried for 3 months to sell it on craigslist - first for $450 (on the release date), then $400, and then at $357. When I dropped it down to $357 I had one Indian (dot not feather) call me and tried to negotiate the price to $200. In the end I decided it wasn't worth it and returned it to Costco for a full refund. The guy behind me in the return line bought it the second I returned it. My guess is that there aren't any on the shelves because everyone is selling them for a quick $50 profit on craigslist. And I live in Northern Virginia, one of the most affluent areas in the country. I must not be a good salesman!

They're still selling twice as much as PS3 (3, Insightful)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 7 years ago | (#18692803)

According to that article yesterday [bloomberg.com] , Nintendo is selling more than twice as many units as PS3 or Xbox360. So I doubt this is really a case of "artificial" shortage, although obviously the Nintendo marketing guys will spin it to their best advantage.
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