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Transgaming Introduces Cedega 6.0

CowboyNeal posted about 7 years ago | from the because-rebooting-sucks dept.

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Tux Penguin writes "Today Transgaming introduced Cedega 6.0, which is the popular Linux game emulator based upon WINE. Among the new features in Cedega 6.0 is support for a number of new games, Shader Model 2.0 support, new FBO extensions support, and ALSA audio. Phoronix has provided a performance preview that has Doom 3 and Enemy Territory benchmarks from Windows XP, Windows Vista, Linux, WINE, and Cedega."

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LOL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694069)

FRIST POST

- GNAA

Re:LOL (1)

HermMunster (972336) | about 7 years ago | (#18695231)

I believe there's a Doom 3 client for Linux and I know for certain there's an Enemy-Territory version for Linux. What's the point of benchmarking? They trying to show that the CEDEGA implementation is good when compared to the client running natively under linux and how that cmopares to those clients running under windows?

Cedega? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694101)

More like Ce-GAY-ga, amirite?

And... (4, Interesting)

Mayhem178 (920970) | about 7 years ago | (#18694129)

...I'll bet that it still doesn't work right.

Honestly, in the past I've had more success running games with just straight up WINE than Cedega. I had a 1 month subscription, and it was a complete waste, cheap as it was. Not a single game worked as advertised.

As usual, I'm sure their benchmarks were acquired from a machine with a very specific setup requiring hours of tweaking to get right.

Linux has its uses, and they are many. Gaming is not currently among them, and this hack (yeah, I went there; Cedega is a hack, nothing more) is not the solution to bring Linux gaming into the mainstream.

Re:And... (1)

cyphercell (843398) | about 7 years ago | (#18694243)

It's obviously possible for game developers to target Cadega, the article itself doesn't discuss anything more than frame rate. Personally, I think wine and derivitives are a PITA. It's not a matter of if something works or not, it's a matter of "will this button work" or "will this room render properly" or "do I mind my character rendered as a sprite with a black background", it's all a big PITA. *IF* Wine's codebase was actually targeted by the developers (simple flag ie if (windows) do this elseif (!windows) do that) then things could really get rolling.

Re:And... (2, Informative)

Spikeles (972972) | about 7 years ago | (#18695235)

It's obviously possible for game developers to target Cadega
WRONG! It's thinking like this that makes developers/publishers lazy when it comes to Linux. You don't target the emulator. You target the PLATFORM. The GNU/Linux platform has many benefits going for it, just look at I.D Software and how they support Linux with binaries of all their popular games, Quake series comes to mind. If game publishers would just pull their heads out of their asses and realize there really is a games market for Linux, we might start to see some of the more popular games being ported. It's a piece of fricken cake to port a Windows application over to Linux if you just used standard libraries in the first place without resorting to Win32 calls, and those can be ported without too much bother either. IF i had Linux binaries of my games, you would never see me on Windows again.

Re:And... (3, Funny)

skoaldipper (752281) | about 7 years ago | (#18694465)

As usual, I'm sure their benchmarks were acquired from a machine with a very specific setup requiring hours of tweaking to get right.
FTA,

we had used a modest setup to better represent the systems of more computer enthusiasts that may be using Cedega or WINE. The motherboard was an ASUS M2NPV-VM with GeForce 6150 (+ nForce 430) integrated graphics
Modest setup? Representative? 800x600 for Doom3, 12 fps? By those standards, my kaleidoscope is the Cedega/Wine equivalent to dropping a real LSD wafer.

Linux is better for games than vista (2, Informative)

cyphercell (843398) | about 7 years ago | (#18694133)

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694315)

It's funny how your priorities change with life. Once I shunned Linux becuase I couldn't play games
on it. Now I actually enjoy the fact that my Linux system wont play games. I call it a grown ups computer system.
Since I dumped Windows so many years ago productivity went up by a factor of ten. Many times I was tempted
to install Wine and some games, but then thought better of it.
It's very revealing that Windows is seen primarily as a gamers platform. I'm at that age where I treat
a computer as a serious tool and all my peers and family also want "grown up" computers so they don't use
MS Windows. Most people who seem to use it are teenagers. If it wasn't for games would there be any argument
for Windows at all?

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

cyphercell (843398) | about 7 years ago | (#18694339)

If it wasn't for games would there be any argument for Windows at all?

Yep, it's called "vendor lock-in".

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | about 7 years ago | (#18694967)

There's also DirectX, Visual Studio, XNA, and tons of other MS supplied services/help/software that makes programming on Windows that much easier for games development...

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

cyphercell (843398) | about 7 years ago | (#18695065)

Yea, like I said it's called "vendor lock-in".

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 7 years ago | (#18695279)

"Yea, like I said it's called "vendor lock-in".

But, I see Cedega being the same thing. I was wanting to buy and play with it, but, it appears to be a subscription model. I don't want to 'rent' it...I want to buy a version of it, and play my games I'd want to play. I don't want my games going 'dark' if I miss a payment.

Why don't they sell it outright? Hell, I'll pay for upgrades if I need them...but, I don't want to 'lock-in' to them and rent the damned thing....

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694601)

MS Office and other programs won't work outside of windows and, while there are open source programs for nearly everything else, it's rarely user friendly. However, for the computer literate, no, there wouldn't be.

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

0x20 (546659) | about 7 years ago | (#18694643)

I'm running Office 2003 in linux right now (via Crossover Office) and it works perfectly. (Perfectly meaning "the same as it works in Windows", of course)

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

0123456789 (467085) | about 7 years ago | (#18695083)

Not to mention MS Office will run on a Mac. So MS Office doesn't tie the user into Windows exclusively (but you are partially right, in that it is a barrier to the average user switching to Linux).

This is why I like BlorgOS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694649)

This is why I like BlorgOS

You see, the reason why I like BlorgOS is that I run a library and BlorgOS can't use soundcards at all, no soundcards are compatible with it. So, there's no chance anyone can play music or any other sounds when they use it.

In my opinion, this make BlorgOS superior to both Linux and Windows, chew on that.

Of course, ScarpOS is even better, because it completely bricks computers that it is run on, meaning that we don't get people trying to use our library computers for non-library approved activities (or indeed, any activities at all). So, that makes ScarpOS superior to BlorgOS, Linux and Windows.

Of course, installing ScarpOS is easy as well, just pour a few cans of Coke or Mountain Dew all over your computers internal workings, and you, too, can have the world's best OS!

Am you Bizarro's mommy?

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694659)

If it wasn't for games would there be any argument for Windows at all?

How about properly formatted /. posts instead of newlines randomly thrown around?

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (2, Funny)

BobPaul (710574) | about 7 years ago | (#18694735)

If it wasn't for games would there be any argument for Windows at all?
How about properly formatted /. posts instead of newlines randomly thrown around?
I don't think the
OS h
as anything to
do with how oft
en I press the return
key.

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (5, Insightful)

Sancho (17056) | about 7 years ago | (#18694827)

Now I actually enjoy the fact that my Linux system wont play games.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get that. That's like saying, "I'm proud that my car isn't capable of attaining speeds of 200 mph safely." There's nothing wrong with having the capabilities, as long as the capabilities don't interfere with necessary components.

I think your statement must be pure elitism. You're proud that you've set yourself apart. Being proud of having a limited system, even if you don't need or want the extended capabilities, is something I just don't understand.

I don't really care to run VMWare. An equivalent statement is, "I'm proud that my FreeBSD system can't run VMWare."

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694839)

Now I actually enjoy the fact that my Linux system wont play games. I call it a grown ups computer system. Since I dumped Windows so many years ago productivity went up by a factor of ten. Many times I was tempted to install Wine and some games, but then thought better of it.

"Grown ups" have a thing called "self control". We don't need artificial limits imposed by our environment because we have the internal discipline to accomplish what we need to. If you need a so called "grown up computer" to achieve better productivity, the problem is not with the computer, it's with you. Do some research, invest in yourself, don't rely on external crutches. Learn to be someone with the self control to say "I don't have time to play games right now, I have work to do".

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694977)

This is why I like BlorgOS(Score:-1, Offtopic)

Ouch! I think my comment was way too subtle for the mods.

Either that or I'm a victim of a mod reading newest first(ignore threads) who didn't see that the above comment was a reply to the ridiculously moderated Re:Linux is better for games than vista(Score:3, Insightful)

Here, I'll write it in simple terms: I think that defining an OS as superior by saying it can't do something that another OS can and then saying it is "grown up" because it is hobbled is stupid. Here's a long analogy as to why it is stupid: This is why I like BlorgOS [slashdot.org]

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18695203)

Maybe if you were actually grown up you'd be able to budget your time better and not wreck your productivity with you hobbies.

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1, Troll)

sesshomaru (173381) | about 7 years ago | (#18695227)

Not only is this comment dumb because it is basically saying, "Linux is better than Windows because of something it can't do," but it isn't true at all. There are tons of "productivity killing" games for Linux, you just don't get the same variety of games that you do with Windows.

You don't need Wine to play games on Linux!

So not only is the comment demented or stupid, it also isn't true.

How did this get modded up to 5?

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (4, Interesting)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | about 7 years ago | (#18694369)

Linux is better for games than vista.

So far, for me, Vista sucks for games [mdlug.org]. I'm entirely unsurprised. My system is almost identical to the one Phoronix used in these tests.

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | about 7 years ago | (#18694615)

Not to be rude, but no shit. Trying to game on a Sempron 1.8 with only a gig of ram and integrated graphics is stupid.

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about 7 years ago | (#18694799)

Why is that stupid... that's spec for an average PC about $500 on the shelves everywhere 6 months ago. Why shouldn't somebody pick up a game from across the aisle at the same store and the same tine and expect to play it on their new fast computer? I know WE'RE all gamers and know better, but average guy does not... realize that on most days the "box" stores that sell the latest games don't have a balanced spec machine on the shelves that can actually PLAY the latest games properly.. or those machines are $1000 over priced. Who's fault is that? Certainly not "Linux" or Transgaming!

Re:Linux is better for games than vista (1)

penp (1072374) | about 7 years ago | (#18694533)

By that same link, XP is also better for games than Vista, and better than Linux at the highest and lowest resolutions tested.

Do we really need any more validation that Vista is a steaming pile of crap?

I also found it a bit ironic that Cedega, which originally branched from Wine, actually performs a little worse (marginally) than Wine in the tests from this article. All this article really told me was what I already know - why pay for something when you can get something better for free?

Why bother? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694149)

I left Windoze for this? What's the point of running games at half speed when I can run the real thing by dual booting? I'd say Cedega is no better than Vista. Return this proprietary emulator back to sender!

Re:Why bother? (1)

physicsboy500 (645835) | about 7 years ago | (#18694201)

Did you happen to actually read the article? If you do you'll see the games tested benchmark higher than the Vista (and in some cases XP) counterparts. This is a strong argument to go pure Linux.

Re:Why bother? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694463)

BS I played Balder's Gate with this crap and my mouse constantly had this black box under it, no audio, and randomly when loading a new level it would completely crap out. Framerates are not everything.

Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (-1, Flamebait)

jellomizer (103300) | about 7 years ago | (#18694157)

First Person shooters are like eat the dot games of the 1980s. Why doesn't Crossover spend more time with other games that are more inovative, and fun. I guess hard core gammers like 3rd person shooter because they are so good at them. But for the casual gammer FPS are not worth it espectially when you play online.

Re:Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694219)

peter, keep that thought because when we get home i'm going to explain to you how many things are wrong with what you just said.

Re:Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (3, Informative)

SavedLinuXgeeK (769306) | about 7 years ago | (#18694221)

Why doesn't Crossover spend more time with other games that are more inovative, and fun.
Cedega != Crossover. They develop their own products. Also, why are they testing cedega with a game that has a linux port. That just seems silly.

Re:Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 7 years ago | (#18694469)

Also, why are they testing cedega with a game that has a linux port. That just seems silly.

I dunno - I kind of like the idea: It would make a good selling point to developers who are thinking of doing a Linux port of their product. I can very easily imagine a developer saying "oh, why bother? it runs good enough in Cedega/WINE/etc". This way you have numbers to show up-front that porting may or may not be worth the trouble.

Ferinstance, I can use Cedega or Crossover (both worked at one time) to run 3D/CG hobbyist apps in Linux (DAZ|Studio, Poser)... If I can show the producer how much faster, say, a frame render would complete natively vs. under emulation (games performance make a damned good comparator in many aspects), it's one less argument to have to chew on so much.

/P

Re:Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (1)

cyphercell (843398) | about 7 years ago | (#18694295)

You're right during the eighties there wouldn't be any reason to have a pac-man machine laying around.

Asside from that, yeah I hear you.

Re:Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (2, Interesting)

Kazrath (822492) | about 7 years ago | (#18694381)

I am going to address the FPS portion of your comment. The reason why I personally and I suspect many others enjoy online FPS games is because it is raw skill/talent vs another. Most games skill/player ability has little to do with the outcome of the fight. I am currently playing Eve-online and I enjoy playing it. The PVP aspect of the game IMHO is not very fun and very far from balanced. A !skill player in a hugely expensive well equipped ship will annilate a highly skilled player in the same ship but using more midrange quality of the same gear. Just because of the game mechanics.

FPS is equal footing for all players and it is your skill that allows you to do well.

Re:Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694551)

FPS is equal footing for all players and it is your skill that allows you to do well.

Absolutely, completely wrong. Turn based strategy is the true test of skill. It doesn't matter if you're an 80 year old paraplegic in a wheelchair or a 16 year old teenager. Everyone competes equally. FPS is just about who can react faster. Big deal.

Re:Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (1)

Stevecrox (962208) | about 7 years ago | (#18694833)

not really, I like to play CS and HL2 Deathmatch, even with latency near 200 I do about the same score wise. There is a great deal of inante ability necessary but when you play the skill is all down to you, did you dpot that go running along the second floor, are you going to take the stair to head him off, what route do you go to get to the sniper, team play, how acurate is your aiming. I've always found RTS games require 1 strategy build a base go insane wasting 90% of resources on making an incredible defense then go away for half an hour as you start building a redicioulus sized army (scout the enemey and tailor army to match his/her units) then send out insane sized army while creating a secondary force, once the secondary force is half way complete, attack then attack with primary amd send in secondary force as re-enforcements. A single strategy thats worked since C&C from single player to multiplayer, it only get interesting on who can do it first. Game like FF are save, play against monster if you scrape a win reload and then grind until your double your current level then repeat, when the games online research the untouchable level grind till you get there. Niether requires much in the way of real skill however. Driving and FPS games do

Re:Woo Hoo An an other 1st person shooter. (1)

Mprx (82435) | about 7 years ago | (#18694975)

For high level play, FPS is purely about the mindgames. It's assumed that everyone has near perfect twitch ability, so the only distinguishing factor is your ability to predict your opponent's moves while remaining as unpredictable as possible yourself. In this respect the FPS is very similar to the Street Fighter style fighting game.

What a horrible review (4, Informative)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 7 years ago | (#18694179)

If you're going to test the performance of an emulation layer you certainly don't do so using graphics intensive games on low end and/or integrated graphics solutions. They should have at least used a midrange GPU. There are numerous other problems with the whole thing. Basically, not everything works and the performance of what *does* work is on par with the Linux equivalent based on the poorly thought out testing methodology.

Don't waste your time.

Re:What a horrible review (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694293)

Compared against Vista RC1....

I'm by no means a MS fan-boy but that review ain't worth the pixels it's written on.

Besides that: Cedega or Wine: Just to finicky to be worth the time and effort to get things to work.
I just tripple boot: XP64 Pro, Vista Ultimate and Linux (whatever distro strikes my fancy this week).

Re:What a horrible review (1)

meabolex (788745) | about 7 years ago | (#18694299)

They should have at least used a midrange GPU.
Does anyone ever use a mid-ranged anything when doing reviews? I think all reviews should be done using the minimum requirements for the game and no better.

Oh wait, pushing the hardware envelope means more expensive upgrades and games. This benefits all the companies, but consumers and good gameplay are forgotten.

Re:What a horrible review (1)

MindStalker (22827) | about 7 years ago | (#18694597)

Games are special in this regard. If you have minimal GPU your only testing the GPU so there could be problems for CPU instructions, but you'd never see it because the game runs so slow that the CPU is idle frequently. The opposite is true. When testing games you really have to have 4 setups with a high and low CPU and GPU.

Get back to me... (0, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 7 years ago | (#18694205)

Get back to me when they go Open Source. Anyone paying money for Cedega is an enemy of Free Software. If you want to make a difference, contribute the money to the wine project, instead.

Re:Get back to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694279)

You can compile Cedega from the CVS, you just won't have any of the support for the proprietary protection methods they include in the pay version. That's the stuff you're paying 15 bucks for.

Re:Get back to me... (3, Informative)

A beautiful mind (821714) | about 7 years ago | (#18694305)

They ARE open source. CVS access is available, sourcecode is GPL.

What you have to pay for is the convenient "snapshot" taken at a stable moment plus the packaging. You also support development that way.

Re:Get back to me... (2, Informative)

X_Bones (93097) | about 7 years ago | (#18694571)

Close. The open-source bits of Cedega are LGPL'd or AFPL'd. The closed-source bits (the Cedega GUI, the copy-protection modules, and IIRC some DirectX goodies), plus the binary packaging and official support, are what you actually pay for.

Re:Get back to me... (4, Informative)

packeteer (566398) | about 7 years ago | (#18694651)

Transgaming negotiated with game companies and are required to close the source. The agreement was that if game companies are going to share their copy protection code with Transgaming then they need to not release that code under the GPL in Cadega. Seems ok to me.

Obviously free software is good but if a company is worried about the "viral nature" of the GPL they need to have some assurance that when they work with free software they are not going to get their code displayed for all to see. Ya the Transgaming people made a deal with the devil, get over it.

Re:Get back to me... (2, Informative)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about 7 years ago | (#18694599)

What good is the CVS if it doesn't run?

I tried it, and it compiled correctly, but it failed to run because it was missing some library that I couldn't find anywhere. Plus, it overwrites WINE. >:(

I talked it over with some more experienced linux users and they are of the opinion the CVS version is intentionally hard to use, and even lacking in features, in order to force people to buy the commercial version.

Re:Get back to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694785)

You're right, it's next to impossible to compile the WineX engine from CVS. I've tried many times on countless different systems, and not a single one has produced a working binary. That's why *cough*bittorrent*cough* is such an easier way.

Re:Get back to me... (1)

G00F (241765) | about 7 years ago | (#18695133)

I had old winx 2. something, but couln't find it, and I have tried downloading from torrent, but asked me information about logging on to get key or some such. WTF?

Can you even buy a few months anymore, and play your games?

Re:Get back to me... (1)

caseih (160668) | about 7 years ago | (#18694869)

Umm, really? Transgaming originally forked wine because the license went from the more permissible license which allowed them to have a closed version (safedisk, etc) to the LGPL (to prevent some of the games transgaming was playing). You can indeed get a source tree for transgaming, minus all the things like safedisk that are in their commercial version.

Re:Get back to me... (2, Informative)

mikearthur (888766) | about 7 years ago | (#18695099)

That simply isn't the case.

Firstly, the sourcecode has never been GPL, it is a mix of AFPL, LGPL and proprietary licensed code that is not included on the CVS.

Secondly, the CVS hasn't been updated for ages.

Re:Get back to me... (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | about 7 years ago | (#18694331)

Cedega *IS* open source, and you don't have to pay for it. Next?

Re:Get back to me... (2, Informative)

BobPaul (710574) | about 7 years ago | (#18694899)

Sort of open source. It'd be nice if they contributed changes upstream to the WINE project. Many of the problems they've had with games certain (esp older) games not working would be fixed if they used a recent version of WINE. (Un)Fortunately WINE wised-up and stopped using the MIT license, so Cedega development has suffered.

CrossOver Office contributes their changes, and they continue to exist and earn money. We could have had good D3D support in Wine a long time ago if Transgaming wasn't a bunch of freeloading asshats.

Re:Get back to me... (1)

MarcoG42 (1087205) | about 7 years ago | (#18694371)

Because Wine only recently started to focus heavily on how well applications or games were supported, where before they were focusing on how many. I would have happily given 10x the amount of money I gave to Transgaming to the Wine Project had they supported what I wanted at the time.

How, exactly, are we enemies to Free Software? I could just as well be playing the games in Windows, and not even using Linux at all. I submit bug reports, beta (and even alpha) test, though I'm not exactly the most knowledgeable person when it comes to using OSS. I donate to the projects I use, when I can. Perhaps you can help Transgaming go open source by convincing the gaming studios to use OpenGL, or petition for DirectX to be opened up. Or, better still, petition the game studios to develop for Linux? id does it, and does it well. Doom3 ran faster, natively, in Linux than it did in Windows on my machine.

Re:Get back to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694407)

Um, no, anyone paying for Cedega is a consumer of software. If Cedega actually wasn't Open Source, which it is, that would still just make the people consumers of software. If Open Source cannot provide products of enough quality (and that means ease of use and configuration) that people pay for proprietary software, then that does not make them enemies of Open Source... it makes Open Source inadequate for their needs. This is not a football match.

Re:Get back to me... (1)

Nova1313 (630547) | about 7 years ago | (#18694419)

It is open sourced for the most part. The copy protections are licensed from other companies so that part is closed. But you can build Cedega from their CVS repository. You get support from the company for the cost and prepackaged binaries. I however have built Cedega from source and it works just fine I did not notice any problems with running most of the games I was using.

Re:Get back to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694447)

Get back to me when they make a product that works.

Re:Get back to me... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694853)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAH. What a dumbass, it IS open source dumbass. How can you say such stupid shit so regularly? It seems like you go out of your way to be wrong dumbass.

I mean, how hard is it to look that up? How fucking stupid are you?

The best part though, is that because there's NO way to play stupid semantic games and twist your words around to try to save face and make it look like you were right, your sorry ass is going to ignore the fact that you were totally wrong. PFFFT, pretend it never happened.

That's because you're a fucking punk.

Get back to me...OSS profitless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694929)

"Anyone paying money for Cedega is an enemy of Free Software."

Anyone remember those "Ask Slashdot"s about "How to make money with OSS"? See above and bookmark the OP's post. You'll never have to look again for an answer.

"If you want to make a difference, contribute the money to the wine project, instead."

If I wanted to make a difference, I'd use the OS the game was originally written for. Life's too short and I play games to be entertained. Not fight RMS's battles for him.

Wine and WoW (2, Interesting)

MarcoG42 (1087205) | about 7 years ago | (#18694217)

I use Cedega to play WoW so I don't have to boot to the much maligned Windows partition on my machine. It's there so my girlfriend (I'm not a liar, I swear!) can watch her 'time shifted' television shows on our HDTV, since I have trouble getting dual head output to work on my nvidia card in Ubuntu.

On topic, kinda: I use Cedega because I'm lazy and don't mind the $5 it cost me to get a copy. I read the review linked in TFA, and I'm curious; how well does WINE play with WoW? Is it worth the (little, i'm sure) extra effort to get up and running to put that $5 towards something else the next time an upgrade comes around?

Re:Wine and WoW (4, Informative)

exwhyze (781211) | about 7 years ago | (#18694261)

wine-0.9.29 works 'out of the box' with WoW. Probably a couple earlier versions do, too.

Re:Wine and WoW (1)

the_greywolf (311406) | about 7 years ago | (#18694793)

I've had WoW working in Wine since 0.9.22, and I'm sure there are others who've had it working even sooner. It has run flawlessly since 0.9.30.

Re:Wine and WoW (1)

mandelbr0t (1015855) | about 7 years ago | (#18694353)

It doesn't, at least it didn't for me. Direct3D locked up the PC within 30 minutes of launching WoW, and OpenGL is an ugly, ugly hack. Results are still best with Cedega+NVIDIA. In some ways, the performance is better too, though on the Windows platform it seems that there is more of a balance between network and graphical performace (higher latency, better framerates) than on Linux+Cedega.

Re:Wine and WoW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694567)

OpenGL is an ugly, ugly hack

Um... OpenGL works just fine as the WoW renderer. It's not just ignored... they keep it fairly up-to-date since the Mac version of WoW uses it. And Macs are fully supported by Blizzard.

Re:Wine and WoW (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694831)

You're out of your mind. "wine WoW.exe -opengl" works beautifully. OpenGL is not a hack, it has all the features of the DirectX 9.0c render. Bliz supports the OpenGL render pathh 100% because its what their Mac client uses. Hell, you can run WoW.exe -opengl in Windows and you won't notice the difference.

Re:Wine and WoW (1)

rcb1974 (654474) | about 7 years ago | (#18694475)

WoW runs fine using the most recent version of Wine on my Gentoo GNU/Linux box. I use the proprietary nVidia drivers for my Nvidia GeForce 7600 PCI-express video card. WoW never crashes when running under Wine on my box.

So we're paying for what? (2, Insightful)

Inner_Child (946194) | about 7 years ago | (#18694225)

Looking at the benchmarks, there's what, one test where Cedega outperformed Wine? What exactly is this monthly subscription fee supposed to pay for, minimal if any improvement over Wine? I understand that it supports newer games than Wine does, but I'd rather put my money into an open-source project than throw it into a monthly fee, especially considering the minor differences.

Am I misunderstanding something vital about Cedega here, or is Transgaming really asking us to pay for the same functionality?

Re:So we're paying for what? (1)

PipOC (886408) | about 7 years ago | (#18694275)

Cedega has much greater compatibility among games than WINE, as it focuses on implementing the directX API rather than the Win32 API

OpenGL (2)

PipOC (886408) | about 7 years ago | (#18694233)

Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't Doom 3 and Enemy Territory OpenGL based and Linux native? Benchmarking them with Cedega is pointless.

Re:OpenGL (1)

Inner_Child (946194) | about 7 years ago | (#18694327)

Not really, TFA compared the native versions against the Win32 versions under Wine and Cedega. The native version didn't do so well, from the looks of it.

Re:OpenGL (1)

HuguesT (84078) | about 7 years ago | (#18694341)

It does compare the quality of the Cedega DirectX implementation vs. native OpenGL under Linux for the games they tested.

Re:OpenGL (4, Informative)

Sark666 (756464) | about 7 years ago | (#18694451)

Well, not really, those games are opengl on windows as well. They only use directx for input/sound.

Re:OpenGL (1)

PipOC (886408) | about 7 years ago | (#18694453)

I was under the impression that niether of them actually used directx at all.

Re:OpenGL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18695091)

You are very correct. OP is an idiot

Shader model 2.0 brings us what games? (1)

Sark666 (756464) | about 7 years ago | (#18694287)

Isn't this what was stopping splinter cell 1 & 2 from working? I still play multiplayer chaos theory so I'd love splinter cell support.

Vista RC1 ??? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694309)

Anyone else notice...

"For our Vista "Longhorn" benchmarks we had used Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate RC1 (Build 5600)".

Sure. Because that will give you a good, impartial quality result.

Bloody muppets.

Oblivion has been running on HQ Wine for a while.. (1)

Mongoose (8480) | about 7 years ago | (#18694317)

Here's how you do so:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Linux [uesp.net]

NOTICE:
You might want to check the history for the last Mongoose update in case asshats from slashdot add bullshit to the wiki entry. ;)

Accounting Game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694321)

I really enjoy this, uhm, game where we track a pretend inventory and write up make-believe orders for imaginary customers. The goal is to maximize your prof^h^h^h^hscore, keep track of "in game" assets, et cetera, et cetera. Does it play games like that?

Collateral Damage! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694395)

Ha! This announcement has also slashdotted the tuxwarez site, despite the fact it wasn't linked. Awesome!

Cedega? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694399)

What more fucked up names are companies going to come up with in the future?

You really have to like Cedega because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18694411)

...after wasting 3(!) days(!) of getting WoW (not) to work with it I (and probably everyone else who had similar experiences) demand native Linux ports even more.

I sure hope Dell shipping preinstalled Linux will stop the need for this transition technology and make Game Companies port their shit.

Not anymore (0, Flamebait)

geeper (883542) | about 7 years ago | (#18694701)

I used to be excited about this kind of stuff for Linux but not anymore. Now that I have Vista installed, (I know I'm going to get killed for this) I think it's going to satisfy of all my needs and keep me happy for a long time. It's visually appealing, quick (on my PC), stable and somewhat more secure than previous versions. I just don't need to look at this kind of stuff anymore.

Wait a minute (1, Troll)

SQLz (564901) | about 7 years ago | (#18694951)

I thought Cedega had killed Linux years ago.....and that all Linux gamers have since switched to Windows, and that Cedega, not competetion from consoles, had killed Linux gaming for good, and blah blah blah blah.

Some karmawhoring (-1, Redundant)

andreasg (1010787) | about 7 years ago | (#18694991)

So the thing is slashdotted, so I thought I should carmawhore a little... Cedega 6.0 Released After many months of intense development, we couldn't be more thrilled to unveil our latest and most exciting Cedega version yet: Cedega 6.0. We're escalating Linux gaming to new heights and you'll love the Cedega 6.0 experience which includes: * Sweeter graphics * Increased performance * Vastly improved usability * More games supported than ever before Download it if you are Cedega subscriber, or Subscribe now. You can also discover lots more detail about Cedega 6.0's major enhancements by clicking here. Better Graphics Over the last year, you have overwhelmingly voted in favor of Shader Model 2.0 and improved Direct3D 9 support. We are pleased to report that these are two long-term projects that have finally come to fruition! GLSL support allows users access to the high-quality effects only available in Direct3D's Shader Model 2.0. At the same time, FBO improvements mean improved graphics, allow for better DirectX 9 compatibility and make a number of new graphics features available. Along with a raft of other improvements, Cedega 6.0 lets top-tier titles play at some of the highest quality graphics settings possible. Be it the more realistic hair on your avatar's head, or the shinier sick slick of your favorite side-arm, you are sure to notice the difference! Of course, we know you demand more from your games then just flash and pretty water. So while our graphics team was hard at work making your games as shiny as possible, the rest of the team was working under the hood on your other top requests. Better Sound Ranking third overall was improved ALSA support, and once again, TransGaming delivers the goods. Changes to our core sound system mean fewer lock-ups and cut-outs during game play. On top of that, you can now have both Mmap and Dmix working at the same time, allowing you to listen to your favorite mp3s, watch your most cherished videos, and get your game on, all at the same time and all while experiencing the best sound performance available through ALSA. More Older Games Next on your wish list was support for older games. While we have not added support for any specific game titles, we have managed to integrate an entirely new memory allocator, we have updated our copy protection code, and included many other fixes that should allow any number of games to work significantly better in Cedega. Now is the time for you to dust off some of your old favorites. Prepare to be amazed! Better Performance Rounding out the top five of last year's poll requests was improved performance. Here is where everyone hits the jackpot. Many of the above fixes, such as the new allocator and FBO improvements also provide a wide range of performance increases. With more optimized file operations and the new memory allocator, you get a big boost to performance in non-graphical areas. Faster file handling, faster load times, and shorter level transitions mean you get more time playing and less time waiting. Since you'll be spending more time playing, we felt providing FBO improvements that give you even better graphical performance was absolutely essential. You will just plain have a better overall experience in a large number of games. To top it all off, an improved multimedia timer means less of your CPU time is spent mixing and manipulating sound, leaving more for your games and further maximizing your overall experience. More Games A smoother, slicker, faster and more high quality gaming experience in every aspect, Cedega 6.0 has brought a whole new level to Linux gaming. But as we all know, supporting new technologies means nothing without the games. So here's the part you've been waiting for: Cedega's top-voted game, Oblivion, is now fully supported in Cedega 6.0. You no longer have to rely on Oldblivion to play this game; it now works out of the box with 2.0 Shaders. Next in line, World of Warcraft has been getting updates throughout the Cedega 5.2 releases, but with Cedega 6.0's performance improvements, it feels like a brand new game. Civilization IV benefits from decreased load times and has had a number of bugs and memory issues resolved. Half-Life 2 will be looking and running better then ever, while a number of fixes have kept Steam easy to use despite frequent updates by Valve. We've also added support for a number of additional triple-A titles like top hits Need for Speed: Carbon, Ma dden NFL 07 and Battlefield 2142.

Re:Some karmawhoring (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18695145)

Wall of Text hits you for 43124 (crushing).
Your equipped items suffer a 10% durability loss.
You are dead.
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